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Speaker 1 (00:00):
I hear Michelle Obama has a new podcast episode out. Actually,
I don't really care. If I'm gonna listen to a
female podcaster, I'll check out mom Wars or go read
mom Wars on substack. Hey, it's tiresome to hear Michelle
complain about how hard it is to be her. Either way,
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have a good morning, everyone.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
Well that was totally useless information.
Speaker 3 (00:29):
Do you expect anything different from well.
Speaker 4 (00:31):
I just you know, I guess it's kind of early
in the morning. But everybody that's interested in whether or
not Michelle Obama has a podcast, raise your hand.
Speaker 2 (00:42):
I don't see anybody.
Speaker 3 (00:43):
Click That person tried to write they thought about it,
but yeah.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, no, no on the right end.
Speaker 4 (00:52):
This morning, driving in this morning, there was a story about,
you know, they're doing a federal investigation of Brennan and
Comia and others regarding the Russian Russia, Russia Russia hoax,
the election interference, the pies, a court lies using the
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fake Steele dossier, and they interviewed or maybe didn't interview,
but they had some sound bites from John Brennan from
the CIA, and he was talking about how a criminal
investigation against him is somehow a threat to democracy and
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that a criminal investigation shows just how bad this country is,
that we're doing everything we can to go after our
political enemies. And as I listened to it, I thought
to myself that, well, if if you think you're innocent
and you're just being targeted, that bothers me. If you
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are innocent and you're just being targeted because you happen
to be John Brennan, former director of the CIA, and
you signed onto the Hunter Biden laptop letter with fifty
other intelligence officials and blah blah blah, then you might
have a slight argument that you're being targeted. But is
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that a threat to democracy? Because oftentimes somebody will be
air quotes here targeted because investigators aren't quite sure whether
or not you are. I mean, you know, there's a
series that's knocked off of Bosh on Amazon Prime called Ballard,
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which we started watching last night. Watched first one and
a half episodes, and it's the stereotypical you know, it's
based in Last Angelus and there you know, this is
a female detective who probably probably liked Bosh, probably cuts
corners a little bit, but eventually gets the really guilty
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guys although we may cut corners here or there, do
something that maybe it might be a little unethical but
not quite illegal. And there was a scene in the
first episode, maybe it was the second episode, where she
has gone to try to get some DNA without a
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warrant from a guy that might be a suspect in
a murder or a series of murders. I don't want
to give too much away in case you haven't watched it,
but what she's doing is actually maybe a little sketchy,
but it's not I don't even think it's unethical. She
walks into a tattoo shop. The guy that owns the
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tattoo shop she thinks might be a suspect. She doesn't know,
but they found some DNA from a case that is
twenty years old that somehow he was a suspect in,
and so she wants to find out whether that DNA
matches his DNA And she has a little scheme where
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she gets a friend to call the tattoo shop. He
takes off the gloves he was wearing while he was
doing a tattoo, and she reaches over while he's on
the phone. She scoots around real quickly takes her takes
her plastic bag and picks up the gloves and starts
to walk out. I don't think that's illegal. It's a
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little sketchy, but it's not illegal in my opinion. It's
it's he's thrown it in the trash. He would have
eventually thrown it out. She just wants to get it
before it might get contaminated with other DNA. Well, long
story short, turns out he's not a suspect, and she
actually goes back to him and says that, you know,
I want you to know that for all these twenty
years that you've been a suspect, we've cleared you and
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you're not a suspect. And anyway, it reminds this whole
thing about investigations. Reminded me of that scene in that
drama last night. So what is the proper role of investigators. Well,
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it is to if you think, if somebody thinks I'm
a suspect in a murder case, even though I've thought
about murdering people, looks behind the glass. Oh, I've thought
about murdering people, but I've never acted on murdering anyone.
Speaker 2 (05:47):
Never come even close to it.
Speaker 4 (05:49):
But if for some reason, George Brockler or somebody else
thought that I was a suspect. I would be very
careful about cooperating, but I would maintain my innocence and
I would let them go through and I would, you know,
every step of the way, protect my rights. Blah blah
blah blah blah. I don't think that's a threat to democracy.
And if I just happened to still be the under
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Secretary of Homeland Security and they thought that I had
done something that was treasonous or whatever, and they came
after me even though it was totally innocent, I'm.
Speaker 2 (06:18):
Not really sure that's a threat to democracy.
Speaker 4 (06:22):
But unknowingly, Dragon laid down on the desk today a
story that I think is a threat to democracy. But
it's not what he thinks. It's not why he laid
it down here. The headline is this comes to us
from agweb News. I'm not sure where that this is.
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In Spooner, Wisconsin, the headline is county shuts down fifteen
year old's bait stand on a family farm threatens Daily
finds A teenage boy's fishing bait stands stocked with worms, sodas,
and candies is a threat to a government order. Max
McKinney's home built six by fifteen shed perched at the
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end of his farm driveway in Spooter, Wisconsin, has been
deemed a zoning violation and shut down by county officials.
After snapping photographs of the stand as proof of McKinney's
assault on county code, zoning officials issued a cease and
assist letter ordering closure under penalty of daily fines. McKinney,
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who's fifteen years old, says, this is hard to believe.
I'm angry and sad at the same time. I thought
I was working hard in doing the right thing. Instead,
they say I broke their regulations. McKinney's grandfather, Tom Fows,
sixty five years old, a retired farmer in Washburn County, says,
who threatens a fifteen year old over selling ice cream,
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worms and T shirts on a farm? The answer is,
he says, bullies and bureaucrats. This story is about as
Unamerican as it gets. We're out in the country on
a farm, so just.
Speaker 2 (08:01):
Leave us alone.
Speaker 4 (08:04):
And I thought, isn't that what we all want? Don't
we all want the government to just leave us alone?
And I don't know where I haven't looked on the map.
I might just picked this story up and it just
reminded me of there's some other things I want to
talk about today about threats to democracy, but this story
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just kind of was like like the cherry on the
on the ice cream Sunday. McKinney is a workhorse, the kid,
the fifteen year old boy. No lounging in the bedroom
playing video games or scrolling on his iPhone. He has
three summer jobs, a canoe rental crew member, a Little
League umpire, and a babysitter. The bait stand was supposed
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to be his fourth job, he says, and I quote,
I started planning for summer and thought, you know, a
bait stand on the farm would be a perfect place
to work on the weekends and maybe make a little
extra money. I want to be a doctor in the future,
and I'm willing to work hard and save money.
Speaker 2 (09:04):
Any way that I can.
Speaker 4 (09:08):
The grand no, see, yeah, this is again the grandfather's
the other grandfather. People should be disgusted by this because
it doesn't pass the smell test. I was proud, this
is the boy. No, this is the father grandfather again.
I was proud because I decided to put the stand
at the same spot where my grandfather has sold crops
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and vegetables since he was my age at the end
of our farm driveway. When McKinney the son approached his
grandfather and asked for permission, Foss was proud I encourage Max.
We were excited that he took the initiative. It's special
to see your grandson following along in learning how to work.
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Almost at the edge of Spooner Lake, Foss's driveway is
part of an eighty acre farm, the last sliver of
land representing decades of production in dairy, alfalfa, grain and
vegetables Since nineteen seventy six. Fosss whuled deer, corn, pumpkins, squash, eggs, wood,
and golf balls to the end of the drive for
roadside's roadside sale in a wagon, in a wagon, sand
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or a top benches. In late twenty twenty four, as
a high school sophomore, McKinney raised worms for months in
his parents' garage, preparing for lakeside sales to coincide with
a kickoff of fishing season in May of twenty twenty five.
So he and his cousin Jack's Jax, fourteen years old,
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hammered and sawed for three weeks under a pole bar
at the farm. They built a six x fifteen shed
on skids so they can pull it back in, covering
the studs with board and batting and topping with the
lumber with ten. They hooked up a pickup truck to
the makeshift shed, pulled it down to the bosand driveway
to the opening of the farm interest and prepared for bill.
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This on the first weekend in May. Maybe I just
stalked worms I raised, but I added some snacks, water soda,
several kiddy fishing poles, bobbers, and some t shirts printed
with my stand name Spooner Lake Bait Store. And then
I waited for customers and it was awesome because people
really stopped by and encourage me, and they took His
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friends and family took big note of his efforts, but
so did Washburn County zoning officials. After the second weekend
of sales, Washburn County Snail mailed a letter to Foss
declaring the Baits stand a general merchandise store an ordered
closure because the stand lacked proper residential recreation zoning. From
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the letter, because this is not a permitted use within
agricultural zoning. You must cease all operations as a bait
store in small general merchandise store immediately. You have fourteen
days from the day to this letter being sent out
by fourteen, twenty twenty five to remove structure from the property.
It was signed by Hunter Denison, the Washington Washburn County
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Zoning land use Specialists, and.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
It concluded with this warning.
Speaker 4 (12:16):
If you do not rectify the violations within the alloted
time given, you may be issued a citation or a
daily forfeiture. That's the threat to democracy. A county official
drove from Foss's farm took pictures of the baits stand
from the road. Oh, so it's on private property. You
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had to get pictures from the road. You didn't want
to go on to private property yet. See nobody from
the office, the kid says, ever walked up and talked
to me, or looked around or asked me any questions. Instead,
they just mailed a letter. They sent to my grandfather,
and he drove over and told me the news. I
didn't know what to say because I was so surprise.
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It was hard to believe that it was real. The
bureaucrat says, age does not matter to our ordinances. Under
agricultural zoning in this county, you can have a roadside stand,
but only for fruit, vegetables or egg products. He has
a bait store, so you can have fruit, veggies and
egg products, but you can't have worms. And oh, if
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you make up your own t shirts, you can't do that.
And then if you go buy some candy at you know,
you go to Walmart and you buy some candy and
then you resell it, or you get some bobble water
from Walmart and you resell that. You can't do that,
and I try to shut you down. That's the threat
to democracy. I'm elected bureaucrats. Am I opposed to zoning?
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Yes and no. I think zoning can be taken way
out out of the realm of reality, and it can
be overly burdensome. You know, you look at a city
like Houston, which for decades did not have any zoning
codes whatsoever, and it seemed to do just and in
Denver they want to use zoning. For example, they want
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to get rid of the zoning or the parking requirements
so that you know, you can go build a forty
story condo complex and not provide for any parking whatsoever.
Why do you think they're doing that because undemocratically they
want you to get out of your cars. Undemocratically they
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want to make it difficult for you to drive a
car in downtown Denver. Why don't you go to downtown
Denver anyway? Because the second story that dragon leasel the console.
This morning, the Denver popole are looking for information on
in October October assault. So this is published July ninth,
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yesterday at three point fifty two pm by nine News
Breaking News. Please are looking for information on an October November, December, January, February, March, April, May, June,
July nine months you get had a baby in this time.
Sherry Henderson forty four, was badly hurting the assault at
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the intersection of twenty second Curtis around two forty five
in the morning in October thirteen. She died of her
injuries Tuesday night. Whether she died of her injuries Tuesday
night or she was assaulted in October, why why is
this just now making new because she died, so the
assault wasn't enough for nine News to cover it. But
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only after your dead and your body temperatures reached room
temperature do they decide that. Oh, now, we'll put something
out about it. But here's what kills me. Well, no
pun intended there, I'm sorry. She was found unconscious. According
to her sister, it sounds like someone just kind of
passing by had saw her on the street, flagged down
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a couple of cops, and they immediately brought her to
Denver Health. The contents of her purse were wiped out.
They believe the crime was an assault and robbery. By
the way, she was the mother of three small children.
Police are now investigating her death as a homicide. It
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really saddens me. It saddens me to think that in
this country, a fifteen year old kid that we ought
to be putting on a pedestal because he's you know, hey,
let's sell some worms. Well, you know, people are buying
my worms. Maybe you know, as they're going fishing. Maybe
they'd like to have a you know, a can of
diet coke or some you know, some orange Fanta. Maybe
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they'd like to buy some candy that you know, I
bottle them the cheap at Walmart, and I can double
the price. And you know, I just want to be
a doctor someday. But now we're not gonna let you
do that, kiddo, because they're riding AMAZONI law, so get
the hell out of here. And then we got somebody
that you know back in October gets assaulted, robbed on
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twenty second Curtis, that's not exactly you know, that's not
exactly like a slum area. And what was she doing
at at two forty three in the morning, I don't know.
Maybe she'd been with friends to a bar and she
was walking home, going to her condo in Low High
or somewhere, and she gets beaten and robbed. She finally
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succumbs to the injuries. And now, oh, Denver cops. Now
we're going to look for somebody. Where are the cops
in downtown Denver? That seems to me to be a
threat to democracy. So John Brennan, you can sit there
and you can bitch and moan about the fact that
you know. And by the way, I'll say this, John Brennan,
before you start calling a threat to democracy.
Speaker 2 (17:43):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (17:44):
So don't anybody read anything into this. But one of
the questions I had was about these investigations of Komi
and Brennan at all, is what if you do find
a crime is committed, has the Statue Limitations expired? Has
the Statue of limitations told any criminal indictment? Because we're
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talking about something that happened. This is twenty twenty five,
nine years ago, nine freaking years ago. Yeah, I don't
know whether the Statue Limitations has blocked it or not.
You ever see a kid trying to sell stuff on
the side of the road, don't stop because he might
be a criminal violating zoning law.
Speaker 2 (18:41):
Michael, what are they talking about? You can eat worms.
There's even a song about it.
Speaker 1 (18:46):
Nobody loves me, everybody hates me. I'm gonna eat some worms,
big satuicy ones, little tiny, skinny ones. I'm gonna eat
some worms.
Speaker 4 (18:56):
How many versions of that there is, because I have
any different versions of sure infinite.
Speaker 3 (19:01):
I'm sure growing up everybody adds their own.
Speaker 2 (19:03):
Little everybody neighbor. Do you eat a worm?
Speaker 3 (19:07):
Probably at some point I was two years old.
Speaker 4 (19:10):
Once you've a number forty five twelve, Michael. The whole
situation with the teenager running the roadside batestand is a
threat to democracy. But one thing that caught my attention
on that is that the letter requires him to remove
the shed structure from the property. Does that sound typical
to you. I imagine they can tell him to stop doing business,
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but can they tell him what to do with the
shed structure. I hadn't thought about that. They don't have
any authority to do that. Uh, it's on his property,
it's on skids. They pulled it out with a pickup,
they can pull it back in. They can move it
anywhere they want to. And by the way, if he
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was selling apparently, if you just sell veggies from the farm,
that's okay.
Speaker 3 (19:58):
Housing codes maybe well the building.
Speaker 4 (20:03):
I've already torn it up and thrown away. But the
story was he violated the zoning orders because he was
selling those other things that you can sell veggies and
produce things from your farm, which I would argue, well,
if he grew the worms on his farm, that's a
farm product.
Speaker 3 (20:21):
And you can eat the worms according to the talk back.
Speaker 4 (20:24):
Right, So yeah, I think that maybe there's a little
overreach going on there too. During the break, I receive
an email where to go here it is? It says
click here to read on This is from NBC News.
I get these emails sporadically, and it's usually I skim
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through them because sometimes it may be something I'm want
to talk about most of the time. It's not today.
It is because of the headline NBC News exclusive. This
is an exclusive now it says here, please credit in
NBC News. So let me credit NBC News for their
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bull crap story NBC News exclusive Trump's is. What's interesting
is I was going to talk about immigration this morning.
I was going to talk about uh a brogwall.
Speaker 2 (21:23):
Abrego.
Speaker 5 (21:23):
Oh.
Speaker 4 (21:24):
Everything is Trump's immigrate. This is the headline, Trump's immigration
enforcement records so far high arrest, slow deportations. Story by
Juliet Ainsley and Laura Strickler subhead or the lead in
paragraph ice last month arrested the most people in at
least five years, but the number of deportations paled in comparison.
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Here's the story. Tell me what's missing in this story.
Immigrations and Customs enforcement agents last month arrested the most
people in at least five years, but deep hportations are
still lagging far behind what President Donald Trump has promised,
and even behind those in the Obama administration, according to
data obtained by NBC News. They make it sound like
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they really did some really deep dive investigative journalism. I've
known that Trump's deportations have lagged behind what Obama was
able to deport. I've known that for months. It's a
non story, and I think you probably know why, but
I'll let you guess for a moment. The story continues
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that the discrepancy between arrests and deportations highlights the challenges
the Trump administration faces. That's a hyperlink. I'm not sure
where it takes me, but it's a hyperlink to make
good on Trump's inauguration day val to deport millions and
millions of immigrants. According to ICE data, its agents arrested
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roughly thirty thousand immigrants last month, the most since monthly
data was made publicly available in November twenty twenty, but
the number of immigrants deported in June, more than eighteen thousand,
amounted to roughly half the number of arrests. According to
internal figures obtained by NBC News, the difference between arrests
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and deportations was similar the previous month. The Trump administration
took roughly twenty four thousand immigrants into custody in May
and deported over foot of fifteen.
Speaker 2 (23:34):
Thousand, according to the ICE data.
Speaker 4 (23:37):
The discrepancy during the second Trump administration can be explained,
at least in part by the number of immigrants being
detained who are not immediately eligible for deportation. Immigration lawyers
have told NBC News that many of their clients who
have been arrested have pending asylum cases and orders from
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immigration judges temporarily blocking their deportation. UH headline again NBC
News exclusive Trump's immigration enforcement records so far high arrests,
low deportations. Ice last month arrested the most people in
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at least five years, but the number of deportations paled
in comparison. Now, if you're a drive by consumer of
the news, what does that or if you have Trump
de arrangement syndrome, or you're a headline reader like Dragon,
what's the implication? What do they trying about?
Speaker 2 (24:45):
What's NBC News exclusively.
Speaker 4 (24:47):
Trying to imply here, Oh, that Trump's out arresting everybody,
but he's not really deporting anybody, so he's breaking his
campaign promise. But yet in the story itself they admit
that they know why the discrepancy. This is the fourth
or fifth paragraph from the story. The discrepancy during the
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second Trump administration can be explained, at least in part.
I would say, almost all in part by the number
of immigrants being detained who are not immediately eligible for deportation.
Immigration lawyers have told NBC News that many of their
clients who have been arrested have pending asylum cases in
orders from immigration judges temporarily blocking their deportation. Or you've
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got judges out there who are blocking and issuing injunctions,
whether they're national injunctions which have been they've been told
by the US Supreme Court not to do, or they're
doing on a case by case basis. Because what we
still have all of these mngos out there that are
providing free legal services that say, you can't deport this guy,
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this family. You can't you know, the family up and
boulder of the dirt bag that killed the Jews. You
can't deport those dirt bags because a judge said no. So,
NBC News, why don't you dive into because you might
do your audience a favor by explaining that one Immigration lawyers,
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I mean, I'm sorry, Immigration judges. You know they're not
part of the judicial branch.
Speaker 2 (26:33):
You know that right.
Speaker 4 (26:35):
Immigration judges are part of the executive branch. They're the
equivalent of not the equivalent that they're similar to an
administrative law judge. They are within the executive branch, hired
by the executive branch to enforce executive branch laws or
executive branch orders. But yet the judicial branch is trying
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to block those judges from allowing the deportations. That's why
there's a discrepancy between the number of arrests and the
number of deportations, because they're throwing.
Speaker 2 (27:12):
Up every single legal.
Speaker 4 (27:16):
Roadblock that they can find to prevent the deportations. So
of course there's a discrepancy. The previous record for arrest,
the story says, was set in January of last year. No,
I'm sorry January of twenty twenty three, when ICE took
eighteen one hundred and seventy people into custody. The Trump administration,
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they write, is seeking to fast track many of those
with pending asylum cases by terminating their cases and placing
them on expedited removal paths without hearings. Uh, that's permissible.
The nineteen ninety six Immigrant Illegal Immigration at passed by
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Congress and signed by Bill Clinton, pushed by Bill Clinton,
allows for those deportations with a cursory hearing, sometimes without
any hearing whatsoever. Chercha McLaughlin, a spokeswoman for the Department
of Homeland Security, said any claim of overcrowding or subprime
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conditions is categorically false. All detainees are provided with meals,
medical treatment, have opportunities commun to communicate with their family
members and lawyers as we arrest and remove criminal, illegal aliens,
and public safety threats from the United States. ICE has
worked diligently to obtain greater necessary detention space while avoiding overcrowding.
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This is nothing story, but if I could show you
it's got the NBC News logo is some big type
and then click here to read on NBC News, please
credit NBC News. I mean, it's like, this is breaking
news and the subject line is NBC News Exclusive Trump's
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immigration enforcement record so far high arrest, low, deportations. Sent
to me by Catherine Morris. Thanks Kathy. Your story's a
big fat nothing burger that we all know why. And
it's because the administrative state and the Democrats and the
lawyers and that they fund through the nngos and the
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lawyers that they've got nominated and put on the bench
during the Biden administration are blocking the deportations and everybody
keeps screaming about due process. Go back and see what
your Democrat buddy Bill Clinton did in nineteen ninety six.
They're not necessarily entitled to a hearing.
Speaker 2 (29:57):
Good.
Speaker 6 (29:59):
If I was a young entrepreneur's grandpaul, I would have
a sign made up ten by ten explaining what the
government is trying to do to my grandson. And I
would also put on that sign. Since we can no
longer sell these products, we've decided to give them away,
and if you'd like to donate, that would be great too.
Speaker 4 (30:25):
That's a brilliant maneuver. It's a brilliant maneuver Dragon that
we're talking during the break about how I've I've gone
back and I've reread this stupid email for NBC News.
But Dragon pointed out very astutely, which I hate to admit,
that they missed the five ws that you should always look.
Speaker 3 (30:44):
For remember from school days and your grade school even.
Speaker 2 (30:48):
Yeah, well and actually in journalism school too.
Speaker 3 (30:51):
Huh.
Speaker 2 (30:52):
Who won't wear winen? Why? What is the why? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (30:55):
What was that last one? I forgot? It doesn't exist anymore.
Speaker 2 (30:58):
Who won't we're women? Why?
Speaker 3 (31:02):
Why just leave that one out?
Speaker 5 (31:04):
Well?
Speaker 4 (31:04):
Actually I did find a paragraph that might get close
to it. She writes at the very end. The Supreme
Court ruled in late June that the Trump administration can
at least temporarily deport immigrants to countries other than their own.
The ruling may speed up deportations this month if, and
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here's the clincher, if the Trump administration can skirt Immigration
Judge's rulings prohibiting the deportation of immigrants to their home
countries based on fear of persecution or torture by sending
them to others other countries.
Speaker 2 (31:49):
So they kind of swerve.
Speaker 4 (31:50):
By it without actually getting into it that, oh, perhaps
these numbers are lower on deportations because we have a
judicial range and is doing everything they possibly can to
prevent it from happening.
Speaker 2 (32:05):
Good grief.
Speaker 4 (32:06):
And then during the break, because of the stupid talk
back about Michelle Obama, is this what you heard? Because
this what's in my clips.
Speaker 5 (32:18):
This morning, women, we have so many landmines and barriers
and don'ts and limitations. It's you know, I mean, Craig,
you're the guy at the table. But I think it's
important for all guys listening, especially men raising daughters, to
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realize that that that difference now, and that that thing
that inadvertently as you were loving and raising these beautiful girls.
There are so many rules bake then make us small,
baked in without our knowing it, you know, And I
wish I could.
Speaker 4 (32:56):
I mean, I well, you know, I remember people saying, oh, well,
she's a female.
Speaker 2 (33:00):
Doctor as opposed to just she's a doctor women.
Speaker 4 (33:06):
We have so many landmindes and barriers and don'ts and limitations.
She's the freaking black first Lady of the United States.
I wonder what landmines and barriers and don'ts and limitations
she faced being raised in Chicago by a nuclear family
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that gave her whatever she needed, and you know, was
a successful black family.
Speaker 2 (33:35):
What what what? What?
Speaker 4 (33:38):
What are the land mindes and the barriers and the
don'ts and the limitations. I would say, I think I
can speak for dragon. Also, we're both afraid for the
women in our lives to put up a landmine or
a barrier, or a don't or a limitation, because we
would to live