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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Michael or Miguel.
Speaker 2 (00:01):
Hey, listen, can you list the last twenty eight times
you went to the undisclosed location? Twenty eight times? Undisclosed
location twenty eight times? Bill Clinton, Epstein Island.
Speaker 3 (00:20):
I have a.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
Golf membership for the last three years. I've used twenty
two times, and I love golf.
Speaker 4 (00:29):
Okay, if I start, if I had a calendar in
front of me, obviously I do. If I pulled my
calendar up, I could probably get back generally twenty eight times.
I don't know if I could really go full twenty
eight times, but I could probably go back several years.
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And I kind of generally know kind of when I
do go, although there's sometimes there are just spontaneous weekends
that I go to, so I don't know.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
It's a couple three times a year at least.
Speaker 4 (00:59):
Well, yeah, well that people know of. I mean there
are sometimes when I, for example, I will go down
sometimes and like Friday after you know a program and
I'll do the Saturday program from there, but never say
a word about it. Ye just you know, Friday at
ten o'clock drive down there, have you know dinner Friday
evening and tows or something, and you know, do the
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program on Saturday and you know, come back up here
on Sunday evening or whatever. I ten not to do
that though, when your little party is going on down
in Warkspur.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
Yes, there you go, the Renaissance Cain.
Speaker 4 (01:33):
Yes, although they have they have solved that problem for
me to some degree with the express lanes because I
have the switchable transponder, so you know, I switch it
over to you know, HOV because I've got I have,
I have, I have myself and my two girls in
the car with.
Speaker 3 (01:53):
Of course, yeah, of course I got.
Speaker 4 (01:56):
An email last night. What time this come in? Uh,
well last night four one pm. I'm not sure what
time I read it, but it comes to us from
a goober in Frankfurt, Kentucky, John Guber, number twelve thirty one,
who wrote this, which I just I think it's interesting
because it's a it's a great example of perspective and
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he caught something that after my tirade yesterday, and nay,
it wasn't a tirade. It was just after my excoriation
of the Denver Post and the local media and Mayor
Johnston and the city council and the governor and well,
you know, the cabal in Colorado for their absolute ignorance
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woeful neglect of this city and this state. I was
pretty hard on them, and I and I at the
time that I was doing that yesterday myself, I was
thinking I'd pretty hard all week long on Denver and Colorado.
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But I believe justifiably so, because there's a lot of
garbage that's going on in this place, and I'm sick
of it. And as someone whose grandparents settled down in
the San Luis Valley, for those of you have a state,
you would call it the San Luis Valley, the San
Louis Valley. It's this state is near and dear to
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my heart. And having been here for you know, three
plus going on four decades now, it's obviously changed a lot,
some for the better, a lot for the worse. And
it's it's my home. I live here, I work here. Yes,
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I do escape to the undisclosed location, primarily because that's traditional.
That's someplace where my grandparents took me a lot when
I was growing up. I love the culture of the
Great American Southwest. And then people have alved, you know,
somebody asked me yesterday I was I was in a
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meeting and somebody had asked me interestingly about the endisclosed location,
and they wanted to know, well, why do you have it,
and how come you don't like sell it and buy
a place in Colorado? And I kind of chuckled, and
I thought, why why would I one take a place
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that has been in the family. We've we've bought out
all of Tamer's siblings, so we've had it to ourselves
for decades now, ever since her parents had had passed.
It's in a remote area. It is just the right size,
it's not too big, it's not too small. The lot
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is the land is perfect. It has a river running
in the backyard, is surrounded by pine trees and cottonwoods
and Russian alleys and everything you can possibly imagine. You
can't see us from anywhere I sit. I can sit
on a bench right on the banks of the Cimarron River.
Across the highway from US is the Filmont Scout Ranch.
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And to the that would be to the south of
US and to the north of US. Now that would
be to the north of US, and to the south
of US are the surrounded by the Sangrede to Crystal Mountains.
Why would I come to Colorado? Why my property taxes
in New Mexico are a tenth a tenth of what
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they are in Colorado. The cost of living down there
is a tenth of what it is in Colorado. I
can jump on the twenty five, and depending on the traffic,
you know, depending on whether there's an accident, I mean,
and depending on whether or not I means Tammer's still
maybe Tamer's not listening quite yet if Tamer's not in
the car, so I don't have to stop, you know,
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for a pee break every you know, fifteen minutes, the
girls and I can get in the jeep and we
can just set the cruise control on one hundred and
twenty miles an hour, and we can be there three
hours and fifteen minutes or three and a half hours.
Otherwise it's you know a little over four hours. So no,
I have no interest whatsoever in buying property in Colorado.
I own enough property in Colorado which cost me enough
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money in taxes and upkeep and maintenance and everything else,
and so no, I'm not I'm not going to do it.
So then I, you know, I had that conversation. Then
I get home, and I yet, sometime yesterday read this
email Michael, Michael, you railed pretty hard against Denver in
Colorado this week. I drove a car I drove across
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the state last week on my way back to Kentucky,
and I thought I would offer you an outsider's opinion.
And we have seven opinions. Okay, all right, you ready.
Speaker 3 (07:09):
I didn't fall into any potholes.
Speaker 4 (07:12):
Lucky, but but but the frequent dips in the roads
made it hard to steer with my knees while sipping
hot coffee. Once there was a sign that only said
road damage.
Speaker 3 (07:30):
It's like, good luck, you're.
Speaker 4 (07:32):
On your own, you know. In the beamer, it will
you know, the little panel display in front of me
will tell me like if there's a red light camera,
but it will also tell me if there's rough road
or there is road damage in.
Speaker 3 (07:49):
Front of me. Now how it knows that, I don't know.
Speaker 4 (07:52):
I don't know whether that's something they get, you know,
they they somehow triangulate from Google Maps, and you know,
who knows what?
Speaker 1 (08:00):
It just knows that you're in Colorado.
Speaker 4 (08:02):
It just knows them be Cousorado. So it never goes off.
It's always there. For example, just yesterday, as tarm and
I were going to dinner. I ran through the drive
through at Walgreens because it's too fat ass and lazy
to get out of the car. And going through the
drive through at Walgreens to pick up a script, it
came on and it said four hundred feet ahead road
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damage for rough road or something like that. And I
looked up and I really couldn't see anything. But as
I pulled out, kaboom, kaboom, Yeah, there it was there.
Speaker 1 (08:34):
It was.
Speaker 4 (08:35):
It's amazing. Number two. Once with all the traffic, I
love this one. Once with all the traffic heading west
from Denver into the mountains. Are people trying to escape
the city or were they all more of us just
damned tourists. My answer is yes that the answer is yes,
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it's people trying to escape the city on the weekends.
You know, when I first went to Washington, d C.
It was you had to leave on Friday morning. If
you wanted to drive, say to the Outer Banks, or
you wanted to take the train to New York to
see a play, or you wanted to go into the
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you know, the Quaker territory or West Virginia, you had
to leave on a Friday morning. By the time I
was done with d C. You had to leave on
a Thursday morning because the traffic was so bad, and
the same is true here. Yes, it is a combination
of people trying to get out of Denver, to escape
the heat, to escape the city, to escape everything. They're
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going up to Summit County. They're going to Breckenridge, you know.
Now if there are people like Dragon and Missus Redbeard,
you know they're going to asp and you know there
that's where they're going. And it is the tourists, Yes,
the tourists. You always know it's a tourist season because
you start to see the pickup trucks with the third
week or whatever you call those trailers and the campers.
Speaker 1 (10:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (10:03):
The fifth wheel, fifth wheel, that's what it is, Okay,
fifth wheel? Well, why is it a fifth wheel? If
you have depending on the size of your pickup, you
could have two four six tires, so that would be
there's probably you know, at least two on the trailers,
so that's eight tires. Why do you call it a
fifth wheel?
Speaker 1 (10:20):
I think it's because of the gooseneck hinge to the
bed of the truck. I think that's that's the fifth wheel.
Speaker 3 (10:25):
That's the fifth I think, okay, all right, I've.
Speaker 4 (10:28):
Always heard fifth wheel, and I've never understood why it's
a fifth wheel.
Speaker 3 (10:31):
Yeah, okay.
Speaker 4 (10:32):
Number three, this is this is actually hilarious. Number three.
The long down downhill drive from the mountains to Denver.
You know where you're coming down. You're going down through
Genesee and Evergreen and all that area. You got the
you know, truckers use lower gear, you know, trucker you know,
here's a runaway truck ramp and then there's a flashing
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sign as you get halfway down. Truckers, you're not down yet, you.
Speaker 1 (10:57):
Know you remember that that like that the where the
uh dang it, the the illegal trucker that caused huge fire,
that cable a bunch of people that pull has pardoned
that guy. Yeah, that guy guy right yeah, right right there.
Speaker 4 (11:10):
Well, you know the problem is that the signs were
in English, So how does he know what runaway truck
ramp means. He's already a runaway so he's just thinking, well,
that's for me.
Speaker 3 (11:23):
That's for me.
Speaker 4 (11:23):
If you know, if I see a state trooper, that's
for me to pull off. But here's what he says.
The long downhill drive from the mountains to Denver made
the quote mile High City claim seem somewhat anti climactic.
I never thought about it from that. That's a great.
Speaker 1 (11:39):
Perspective if you're coming from them. Yeah, yeah, if.
Speaker 4 (11:41):
You're coming, if you're coming down the seventy and you've
been up in the mountains, you know you've made that.
It's a beautiful drive. Let's be truthful. I seventy is
a beautiful drive if you ignore the traffic. If you
ignore the traffic and you pull off in Breckenridge, or
you pull off in glen Wood, go to Basalt and
go down to Aspen, it's a beautiful drive. Even when
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you get on to the Western you know, the Western Slope,
it's a beautiful drive. But it is the Mile High City. Well,
I'm looking down on the Mile High City, so yeah,
it is. It is, you know, somewhat anti climactic.
Speaker 3 (12:16):
Number four.
Speaker 4 (12:18):
I felt a scary sense of dread when I saw
the quote Aurora city limits sign.
Speaker 1 (12:26):
And that's my hometown, I know.
Speaker 4 (12:28):
But now as a resident of Aurora, uh huh, would
you not agree that, rightly or wrongly, Aurora has a
bad reputation. Yeah, And everybody thinks of Aurora as pretty
much over here on East Colfax.
Speaker 3 (12:43):
Yeah, that's Aurora, right, Aurora's not where you live.
Speaker 1 (12:47):
And it's not Southlands.
Speaker 4 (12:48):
It's not Southlands, it's not Smoky Hill Road, it's not Arturl,
it's not any of that area that's essentially closer to
my hometown living out there than where I am right now.
It's it's it's it's sad, but but it's true. Uh
maybe they ought to say, you know, welcome to Aurora,
home of trend or but that you know, kind of
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a welcoming sing, you know, because everybody's you're the home
with something. It's always you know, you're a you're a
Tree City, USA or whatever.
Speaker 3 (13:19):
Well, welcome to Aurora, home of trend or Ragua.
Speaker 1 (13:22):
I actually think there are sciences that say in all
American City, Oh.
Speaker 3 (13:25):
Yeah, you're right. I think you're right.
Speaker 4 (13:27):
All in all American city, which is when you think
about it, it's true because it's nice areas, it's crap holes,
it's got crime, it's got shopping, it's got trend to Aragua,
it's got homeless, it's got avery.
Speaker 3 (13:41):
It's an all American city.
Speaker 1 (13:43):
It's huh, it's got everything you need.
Speaker 4 (13:45):
Yeah, well, I thought you said weed. I thought, yes,
you're right, it's got weed too. It's got everything you need. Uh.
Number five, what a change in topography, geography from the
mountains to the opposite side of Denver. Oh, now I
know what Michael means when he says Front Range. I
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never thought about somebody from out of town not understanding
that when I refer to the Front Range. Many people
believe incorrectly that Denver is in the mountains.
Speaker 1 (14:16):
It ain't.
Speaker 4 (14:17):
It ain't. We're on the plains. It's called the Queen
City of the Plains or something. I got some moniker
for it.
Speaker 3 (14:23):
Like that.
Speaker 4 (14:25):
Number six, with the sun behind me in the west
and rain ahead in the east, I experienced three long
lasting rainbows from Denver to Lyman. Maybe your state really
is God's country. No, those weren't rainbows. Those were pride flags.
You just mistoke for a rainbow.
Speaker 3 (14:49):
God. This is getting a kind of indication of the
kind of the boot on the end today.
Speaker 1 (14:53):
It's could be great.
Speaker 4 (14:56):
But you're right, and and honestly, I love Eastern Plains
because that's the kind of geography that I grew up in,
which makes me laugh. And don't get me wrong, I
know that any kind of tornado can be destructive, but
I always laugh when I see that. There were some
great photos of some fantastic tornados yesterday. You know, can
I chase tornadoes as a kid? Well, those are baby tornadoes.
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Those are not the tornadoes that I mean, I know
they can be. Don't get me wrong, now, don't don't
at me, but yeah, I love I love the Eastern
Plains anyway. Else I love about the Eastern Plains.
Speaker 3 (15:31):
The people those are God's people, not that you're not.
Speaker 4 (15:36):
But you're a goober. You're You're one of God's Goober's
is what you are. And that's some of you are
out there too. Then this is fantastic number seven.
Speaker 3 (15:46):
Damn.
Speaker 4 (15:47):
How far from downtown is it to da taxis and
rides here must make a killing. We told you it
was in Kansas. It's in Kansas. Uh, next time? Who
all try to be a better fanboy and stop by
to say hi and bring you some of Kentucky's best
love the show. That's a damn good goober right there,
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and it's a great It is a wonderful example of
if remember again, I think it was yesterday when I
talked about people that fly into Denver. They get their
rental car, which takes them two days to get. But
once they finally get their rental car out at Denver International,
what do they do. They get on Pena Boulevard and
assuming that there's no construction, haha. So assuming there's no construction,
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and you finally get on the seventy, you don't see Denver.
Speaker 3 (16:39):
You see the tunnels, and then you.
Speaker 4 (16:42):
Kind of get out into that part out through Lakewood
and Golden in that area, which is not exactly the
most beautiful part of I seventy, and then you start
up in the mountains and you completely forget what you've
driven through. You don't go to Broadway on First Avenue
where I took the photo of the crack yesterday on Sunday.
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You don't see downtown Denver.
Speaker 1 (17:04):
You do pass the puri in a plant, which is oh.
Speaker 3 (17:07):
That's right.
Speaker 4 (17:07):
You do pass there the preena plant, so that you
can smell the smells like dog food here. Yeah, that
interesting smell. Now, if you were to go north, if
you were to take the exit off seventy and go
north on the twenty five, pretty soon you would smell
the grade school cafeteria. The wonderbread. Does that smell still up?
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There is that gone?
Speaker 1 (17:30):
It's still there?
Speaker 3 (17:30):
Yeah, so you'd smell that. Perspectives.
Speaker 4 (17:35):
Everything is about perspectives, and if you That's like when
I travel places, I don't want to see the tourist spots.
I want to see where the locals go. I want
to see what it's really like. There was a time when,
like Cammer's dad would we've been making a trip to
Canada to go fishing or whatever, we would stop in
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downtown Denver because there was an Eddy Bower.
Speaker 3 (17:58):
That at that time was a real outdoor shop.
Speaker 5 (18:01):
Michael, I do believe that the Wonderbread Factory actually doesn't
emit any beautiful odors anymore because they put on those
scrubbers to clean up the air because they were calling
that emission. So even though the plant is still there,
you can't smell that bread breaking.
Speaker 4 (18:21):
What that shows you how long it's been since I've
driven that direction too. So I finally figured out the
dynamic between the how I'm sorry, the influencer and the producer.
I finally now understand why he is so h He
tries to pretend like he's being disrespectful when he actually
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adores me.
Speaker 1 (18:43):
I am.
Speaker 4 (18:45):
I finally understand the dynamic. He I don't care whether
he wants me to tell you about this or not.
But here's what you need to understand.
Speaker 3 (18:52):
Now.
Speaker 4 (18:52):
This will this will help you fully understand everything you
need to know about Dragon. Now is the firstborn. Obviously
I'm the favorite. I'm the best, you know everything, because.
Speaker 3 (19:03):
I was the first.
Speaker 4 (19:03):
More baby is it turns out that that somebody behind
the glass has second child syndrome.
Speaker 3 (19:11):
I never knew that. I do not. You do too.
Speaker 1 (19:16):
My role in the order of siblings, I'm the middle child.
I'm forgotten. That's bingo your honor. I rest my case there.
It is right there. But I'm okay with that.
Speaker 3 (19:30):
Yeah, you told me.
Speaker 4 (19:30):
Also that your sisters tell you, and you have them
on both sides of you, so you have one older
and one younger, so you're squeezed. You're truly the middle child.
And you're kind of the red headed stepchild too. Yeah,
neither of them have red hair. Oh really, one's blonde
and one's a brunette. Well that's interesting, but we'll go there.
Uh So, anyway, I've invited myself. They're having a birthday
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party for his mother tonight, and so I've invited myself
to that because there's another event that I don't want.
Speaker 3 (19:57):
To go to.
Speaker 4 (19:58):
So I decided I think i'll go to a just
invited myself to him, and that's when he told me
that he is he Well he didn't say it, yes,
second child syndrome, but he did say, yeah, I'm the
middle child. So I'm the forgotten child. So there's the
proof that he is the middle child.
Speaker 1 (20:11):
Soon, if I'm there or not, nobody's gonna know if
I'm there or not.
Speaker 4 (20:15):
I'm thinking that if I show up, your mom will
think that maybe I'm.
Speaker 3 (20:19):
The middle child.
Speaker 4 (20:20):
She'll look at me and go and look at you
and go, well, surely that guy and not the bald
headed guy over here, Oh missus Redbeard. Think if I
just showed up for because since I know the time
in the location, I could just walk in. I know
it'd be fantastic. And then I can ask your mom
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all sorts of questions about you. It would just be
will your sisters be there?
Speaker 1 (20:46):
Yes?
Speaker 4 (20:47):
Oh my god, I've got to come to that dinner tonight.
I've got you know, I just I gotta go and
just say I'm just here to one. I'd like to
ask a few questions if you don't mind, and then
I'd just like to listen and observe.
Speaker 1 (21:01):
It's my mom's favorite Italian restaurant by us.
Speaker 4 (21:04):
So the you know, my poor brother who's the middle child,
he's got middle child syndrome, and I just rub it
in all the time. I totally rub it in. I
remind him all the time. I'm so superior to what
he is.
Speaker 3 (21:22):
Now.
Speaker 1 (21:23):
Both of my sisters firmly believe that I am the favorite,
and I don't see it. But I can firmly believe
and say that I was Grandma's favorite. I know that
for a fact. There's no question about that whatsoever. I
was Grandma's favorite because you were the boy exactly that.
Of course, I don't question you about that whatsoever. Oh yeah, yeah,
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So imagine being a boy and the first grandchild. And
I see that with Tamra and our grandson. Oh my god,
don't get me wrong.
Speaker 4 (21:58):
I worship the kid too, right, and I think he's
he's bright, intelligent, he's got a great future ahead of him.
He's a right wing that job, you know, he's everything's
going great for him. And Tamra dotes on him like crazy,
and it must drive our son nuts because we never
treated him like that.
Speaker 3 (22:20):
But oh I won't.
Speaker 4 (22:23):
I won't tell you his name, but his first initial
is H, so we just call him h h.
Speaker 3 (22:29):
What do you want? H Oh? You want to go
to New Mexico with me? Oh?
Speaker 4 (22:32):
H you want to take your girlfriend go to New Mexico?
Oh yeah, h you want to do this? You want
to do that.
Speaker 1 (22:36):
I can totally see that because our grandson Lance is
not even two years old yet, and missus Redbeard's already
buying school supplies for him money, and he starts.
Speaker 4 (22:48):
Wait, he's two uh huh and she's buying school supply Okay,
is he going to pre preschool?
Speaker 1 (22:54):
I don't know, but she's all excited for it.
Speaker 4 (22:58):
Does she buy does she randomly buy clothing occasionally too?
Speaker 3 (23:01):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (23:01):
Totally yeah.
Speaker 4 (23:02):
That's what kills me about Tamra. I keep trying to
explain to her, this kid does not want you his
grandmother buying him clothes.
Speaker 1 (23:10):
Well, to him, it's different than probably you know your
grandson's age.
Speaker 4 (23:14):
Well, yes, but still, whether you're eighteen or twenty one
or how old he is now, you don't want your
grandmother by you. Do not Sendhima gift cards Sendemi, you know, cash,
do whatever, but don't buy him anything.
Speaker 1 (23:27):
Sent him in America An Eagle a gift card.
Speaker 3 (23:30):
Exactly did you see that?
Speaker 4 (23:32):
I think I think it had to have been well,
I know it was parody, But did you see the
apology from American Eagle about.
Speaker 1 (23:40):
I saw something, but I didn't know if that was
real or not. So I didn't dive. I didn't well,
I didn't think much.
Speaker 4 (23:46):
The reason I think it was parody because let me
pull it up. I've got it here somewhere.
Speaker 3 (23:50):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (23:51):
It comes from Sean Spicer, former Tangle dancer parentheses parody.
Here's American American Eagles apology for the Sydney Sweney advertisement, which,
by the way, I happened to come across again yesterday
when I was doing my stuff where I was built
a night coch yesterday evening at home. Uh, I came
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across that again, and so I stopped and I and
I watched the full ad, and I watched the one
with the car and everything. One she's hot, she really
is hot. And the denim that she's wearing, well, I
don't know what you know. I don't know whether it's
salvage demo denim. Or Japanese denim or it's just you know, American.
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I had no idea, but damned does it looked good
on her.
Speaker 1 (24:39):
There was a Chiron on Fox News a little bit
ago saying that seventy pole that seventy percent of people
approve of the American Eagle ad and I thought that.
I thought to myself, like, well, yeah, that's seventy percent.
Is one mail, right, that's right? We we we we
we approved this message. Uh huh here And I'm really
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wish I wish this was real because I think this
is how This is a great example of how and
some companies do this. There have been companies in the
past who have issued, you know, apologies where they are
clearly mocking you for having made fun of whatever was
you made fun of it parts just recently for the
Trump episode, what the South Park guys recently exactly.
Speaker 3 (25:23):
We're really sorry. Have you seen that?
Speaker 1 (25:27):
Have you seen the I have not seen the episode yet.
Speaker 4 (25:30):
I haven't seen the episode. By seeing the little clipse
of the of the AI generated Trump, yeah, yeah, you
need something to keep yourself from vomiting.
Speaker 3 (25:40):
Yeah, it's pretty bad. It's pretty bad.
Speaker 4 (25:43):
But you know what, as much as I support what
Trump's doing. You pay you pay me a billion dollars
to do you know, a comedy series about Trump.
Speaker 1 (25:52):
Or you know, just that whole life in general.
Speaker 3 (25:54):
Life in general.
Speaker 4 (25:55):
Yeah, I'll make fun of anybody for a billion, exactly fact,
some people i'll make fun of for you know. In fact,
I'll pay you if you want me to make fun
of people. Here's an apology that I wish was real.
We sincerely apologize for featuring Sidney Sweetey Sweeney in our
recent advertisement. In hindsight, we underestimated the combined impact of
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her blue eyes, blonde hair, and general hotness. Also, we
did not realize how big her boobs would be. Our
marketing team has been sent to Denim sens sensitivity Training.
Thank you for your feedback. Please stop emailing us. We're
still trying to recover from the group chap fallout. If
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only it were real, If it only were real. Now,
Dragon handed me this morning a story that is not
exactly related to what I want to talk about next,
but it's another example of how does anything anything that
Denver does make sense? Here I go again. Proposed spiral
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tower in Denver in early planning stage. I saw this
briefly yesterday on my ex account because somebody had made
the comment, oh great, a I think it's six hundred
and thirty five Yeah, six hundred seventy three foot tower,
less than a block from.
Speaker 3 (27:23):
The sixteenth Street.
Speaker 4 (27:25):
Retail district, for which there is very little retail. But anyway,
someone commented, oh, great, a six hundred and seventy three
foot tower. That will allow us to you know, be
like the needle in Seattle or something. Yeah, they're actually
going to the Planning Commission. There's some developers who want
to do it. It's on a parking lot just south
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of the Denver Pavilions. It will soar over several surrounding
buildings to a height that will make it the fourth
tallest structure in the entire state.
Speaker 3 (28:00):
So what are we going to do? Oh, it'll be
a place for a tourists.
Speaker 4 (28:03):
It will be where our friend from Kentucky can stop
and if he wants to watch the crime, if he
wants to watch the derelicts and the vagrants and the
homeless and the gangs and everything else, you can go
up and you can observe it. Yeah, you'll be able
to observe it. Now, what does that fit into it?
Fits into a story where the Denver Downtown Development Authority,
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I'm going to refer to it as the DDA, the
Denver Downtown Development Authority. Denver voters in twenty twenty two,
I think it was. It may have been twenty four,
but I think it was twenty twenty two, they passed
a five hundred and seventy million dollars revitalization effort for
downtown Denver. They're now going to spend one hundred million
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dollars of that, and the one hundred million dollars supports
ten specific, special specific projects, all of which is aimed
at creating or preserving housing. Well, we're turning downtown into
from a central business district to a central residential district.
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They're going to convert office buildings like the Sims Building
and the University Building into two hundred and thirty six
residential units, including I might add affordable housing. So we're
going to we're going to look at Chicago and see
what public housing did with like Cabrini Green, which we
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finally just demolished and this rated We kind of nuked
it because it was creating such crime and horrendous drug
problems and everything else. We're not going to replicate that
in Denver with affordable housing. Uh, that's for those earning
thirty to eighty percent of the area's median income. They're
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going to enhance public spaces, like improvements to Skyline Park,
Mcnichol's building renovations. They're gonna do some civic center park
improvements or whatever.
Speaker 3 (30:08):
And it's going to aid local businesses.
Speaker 4 (30:12):
Now here are the examples they gave for aiding local businesses.
Funding for green spaces market. So somebody wants to put
a cooperative in, so we're gonna fund that. Well, actually
I'm not well, I guess I kind of end because
I work in Denver. But those of you who pay
taxes regularly in Denver, you're.
Speaker 3 (30:33):
Paying for this.
Speaker 4 (30:34):
For those of that you pay sales taxes because you
come from you know, the outer environs and you go
into Denver, but you're paying for this too. I'll explain
that in just a minute. Let's see the Denver and
Mercy Repertory Theater. Oh, I can't wait to go to that.
The milk Key people don't even ask me.
Speaker 3 (30:55):
I have no clue.
Speaker 4 (30:57):
The Sunday s An s you n Dae, The Sunday
artists in ice cream. Okay, so tax dollars to support
what an ice cream shop?
Speaker 1 (31:09):
Uh?
Speaker 3 (31:09):
An ice cream maker? I don't know what it is.
Speaker 4 (31:12):
Plus, they're going to redevelop parking lots on Glen Arm
Place into mixed juice spaces. That's the cool thing to do. Now,
you want mixed use spaces. Now, it's one hundred million dollars.
Where's it coming from?
Speaker 2 (31:27):
Poor?
Speaker 3 (31:27):
And Brownie and Dragon up in Wyoming?
Speaker 5 (31:29):
We have a joke that goes like this, how do
you know it's Spring and Wyoming answer to license plates
turned green?
Speaker 3 (31:37):
I had great day.
Speaker 4 (31:39):
Yeah, it's a that's it's probably very true. All the
cool people going going to Wyoming, going to the Grand
Teetons and going to Yellowstone. So we're talking about this
one hundred million dollar funding out of a five hundred
and seventy million dollar pool that the den Or Development
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Authority is now going to do in downtown Denver. Well,
where do they get one hundred million dollars? Where do
they get the five hundred and seventy million dollars? Well,
it's obtained through something called tax increment financing. Tax increment financing.
Now that's a mechanism where you take a portion of
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the listen closely. You take a portion of the incremental
property in sales tax that's generated from new development and
increased property values within the boundaries of the Downtown Denver
development authorities geographical location.
Speaker 3 (32:43):
So to the.
Speaker 4 (32:44):
Extent that a business grows, to the extent that a
property increases in value, you take that incremental increase from
property in sales taxes and you dedicate that to these improvements.
Sounds pretty fishy, doesn't it, Yes, because what you're in essence,
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let's just cut to the chase your taxing growth. Didn't
that seem like incongruent to you? Doesn't that seem like
an oxymoron? So we want you to grow so that
we can tax you. We want you to grow. Now
we're going to tax you. So we'll wait a minute.
So you mean, if I sell more widgets downtown, or
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I sell more narcan, or I give away more narcan
which I bought somewhere, whatever I do, I sell more weed,
I sell more whatever, that incremental increase over what I
sold the year before, You're going to tax that at
a higher rate. Now, think about the complications in just
maintaining your records for your sales and property taxes. Okay,
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so I owe an additional tax on not the level
I was last year, but the delta between last year
and this year, and that's at a different rate than
the year before. Oh yeah, okay, And then that goes
into a fund that is supposed to help me grow
by putting in affordable housing for poor people who can't
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buy the widgets that I'm selling or can't utilize the
services that I'm providing. Makes perfect sense if you're a bureaucrat,
makes perfect sense if you're a Marxist democrat like well,
like the Denver City Council.
Speaker 3 (34:30):
So how do they get the money?
Speaker 4 (34:33):
Well, it's through that tax increment financing where that's how
it works. So that means that the Downtown Development Authority
can issue bonds. So they sell bonds that are backs
by that are backed by those future tax revenues to
provide the upfront capital for the projects. Now, if you
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read all the stories in the Denver Gazette, I Knews
Katie vr the I suppose the Denver Posts, although I
don't read the Denver Post, but I suppose they all
have stories that emphasize that no new taxes are imposed
and that the funding relies on existing tax rates applied
to the growth in the tax base that is created
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by the revitalization efforts. Have you ever heard of a circle?
You know, you know what, Well, that's kind of what
this is. So they argue that this ensures that the
general fund of the City and County of Denver is
not impacted. So while you hear the stories about oh,
we're going to spend one hundred million dollars, at the
same time that you hear we're laying off employees, we're
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cutting back on services, we have a budget shortfall, blah
blah blah. Yes, all of that is true. Well why
do you have all those shortfalls because you haven't had
any growth. Your projections did not pan out, so you
don't have the revenue. And yet now you're going to
tax the improvement in the revenue from the growth that
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you haven't had. And who are the people that buy
these bonds? Well, you could buy the bonds. Institutions will
buy the bonds. Well, what happens if the bonds default?
Who pays them?