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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Michael, I realized that my last talk back was a
little vengeful about this guy, this murder in Arkansas, and
it was a little emotional to be put mild day,
I suppose, and he deserves justice, but vengeance is for God,
not for us. And anyway, I just wanted to add
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that my apologies for being able over the top.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
Caution you are about to experience on the situation with
no no reason to apologize. I actually agree with you.
Speaker 3 (00:34):
Yeah, I don't think anybody was against you there my faith.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
Yeah, So just chill, You're fine. You're fine. You may
now proceed.
Speaker 4 (00:43):
Caution, you are about to experience the tax payer relief
shot segment on the situation with Michael Brown. Caution, you
are about to experience the tax payer relief shot segment
on the situation with Michael Brown. We do not necessarily
relish the death of any criminal, but we do celebrate
our god given and constitutional right to self defense in
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the event that the criminal becomes DRT. The taxpayers spared
the cost of public defenders, court costs, incarceration, and continued
parole supervision. As the Sheriff of Santa Rosa County, Florida
says insert audio here, or Sheriff Grady of Polk County
says insert audio here. You have been warned. Listen at
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your own risks.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
Mike. It is Friday, it is time to do taxpayer
relief shots. And this is where I get mouse challenged
if I can do the double clicks correctly. And we
call these taxpayer relief shots, because well.
Speaker 5 (01:44):
Somebody's breaking in your house here, more than welcome to
shoot them in Santa's accounting, we prefer that you do. Actually,
hopefully you'll save the taxpayers money.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
Do I want dragon?
Speaker 3 (01:53):
There was an emailer that emailed earlier in the week
says he might know somebody who might be thinking about
participating in being law enforcement to endorse, so to speak,
your textpayer relation shots.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
And I think you told me that this person is
not a sheriff, but is running to be a sheriff. Correct. Yeah,
if he were a sheriff, I would be begging him
to do it, like I am not any sheriff in Colorado.
But if you're running for sheriff, seems to me that
you're kind of wanning a little. I'm not imputing any
sort of you know, dishonorable or uh nefarious, nefarious. Thank you?
(02:34):
Good for a good word. That's a very good word.
Nefarious motives here other than oh, this is candidate so
and so who says this. Yeah, it sounds like a
political commercial to me.
Speaker 3 (02:44):
Any regular law enforcement person or you're like just a regular.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
Old I'd love to have any regular law enforcement person
like do it like, but in particular sheriff. And you know,
it's interesting you asked that, because sure, could I probably
get a cop to do it, you know some Denver
pop that. Yeah, But I want to sheriff because they're
elected constitutional officers, gotcha. That's that's kind of why I
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want to shriff. And they all seem to be a
little weasley about this, which I don't know why, because
again it's simply.
Speaker 5 (03:18):
Somebody's breaking in your house here, more than welcome to
shoot him. In Santaoise accounting, we prefer that you do.
Actually hopefully you'll save the taxpayers money.
Speaker 2 (03:25):
And sometimes what happens is you.
Speaker 6 (03:27):
Could use a taser, you could use your other handgun
if the guy is still coming at you to get
your weapon.
Speaker 2 (03:34):
That is uh, you know, understandable. Ah, like damn, he
just shot his dude. Well, sometimes they asked to be shot.
He asked to be shocked.
Speaker 6 (03:47):
He demanded to be shot, and then he forced us
to shoot him.
Speaker 2 (03:51):
So we obliged him, so he obliged him.
Speaker 7 (03:55):
Loser.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
And what Sheriff Gradi's advice that if you don't want
to get shut.
Speaker 6 (04:03):
Don't attack my deputies. Don't try to stab or shoot
my deputies because if you do, we're gonna shoot you
a lot.
Speaker 2 (04:16):
Now we got a sheriff. I forget where the sheriff
is from, and I apologize. I don't think it's Florida,
but we have a sheriff that did a public service announcement.
Speaker 8 (04:25):
Hi.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
Everyone.
Speaker 9 (04:26):
Recently, lady called nine one one here in Panell County
because someone was breaking.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
Into her house.
Speaker 3 (04:31):
There's some guy.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
He came to my door, but he went into my
neighbor's house.
Speaker 9 (04:36):
This dispatcher gave excellent advice. I'd like you to take
a moment and listen to it.
Speaker 10 (04:40):
He came into my garage.
Speaker 1 (04:41):
He's trying to give my back dorse.
Speaker 11 (04:42):
Okay, lock your doors, keep them all locked.
Speaker 12 (04:44):
Do you have a firearm with you?
Speaker 13 (04:46):
I do.
Speaker 14 (04:47):
He's in my garage.
Speaker 9 (04:48):
He's trying to get in.
Speaker 4 (04:49):
Go get that firearm.
Speaker 15 (04:50):
I haven't done. I'll here you Leah.
Speaker 9 (04:56):
While the incident was still going on, sergeant was monitored
in the radio traffic and this is his direction that
he gave.
Speaker 13 (05:03):
If i's got RP, if it's subjects trying to get
in the house, down the right to use force.
Speaker 9 (05:07):
I couldn't be more in agreement with what the direction
of my dispatcher gave and what the sergeant gave over
the radio. Remember, if you want personal protection, buy a gun,
learn how to use it, learn when you can use it.
I'm Sriff Ross, people, and I approve of this message.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
See why why someone explained to me why there is
not a sheriff in the entire state of Colorado that's
not willing to say something like that.
Speaker 3 (05:29):
You have your normal disclaimer that you used to read
until we had our listeners put up those normal rules
of engagement for the taxpairly shots. What's what's the normal
uh disclaimer that you would normally read? Do you still
have that in your binder? I probably do well, just
in case any you know sheriff for you know, regular
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police officers listening. Now here's something for you.
Speaker 16 (05:53):
All right.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
I bring these stories about private citizens and occasionally the
popo using legal deadly force to protect their own lives
and the lives of others, not because we celebrate the
death of the criminal, but because we celebrate the god
given and constitutional right of people to protect themselves against
death or serious bodily injury at the hands of others.
I call these taxpayer relief shots because when the legal
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use of that deadly force results in the death of
the criminal, it saves the taxpayers the cost of a
jury trial, including the cost of a court appointed public
defender in most cases, possible numerous appeals, and of course
the meal, medical clothing, and possible probationary supervision costs that
are associated with the arrest in imprisonment of that criminal. Thus,
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taxpayer relief shots.
Speaker 3 (06:40):
Now, so, if you happen to be in law enforcement,
particularly a sheriff, there's your go to right there, right
send us a talkback. You'll record yourself on a little
iPhone and send that in and we will happily play that.
Speaker 2 (06:53):
We will happily add it to our REPI Now, the
reason we do taxpayer relief shots in addition to their
taxpayer relief shots is because there are really idiots. I
know this is shocking news to you, but there are
idiots out there.
Speaker 10 (07:12):
His sister Rochelle, acknowledged his actions but criticized the employee's response, stating, yes,
he was robbing them, but that clerk shouldn't have shot him.
Speaker 2 (07:19):
They should have called the police. I mean, I know
my brother had a forty four mag pointed at the
clerk and was ready to blow his head off. But
why did he have to call the cops? I mean,
why did he have to shoot him? He could have
just called the cops. Come on, come on, man, come on, man,
come on. Let's see. Let's catch up from last week.
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The popo say, I don't listen to these until we
play the Popo shooting.
Speaker 17 (07:45):
Kill a felon new detail tonight, and the deadly shooting
spree that police say left to Kentucky mother and daughter
dead and three others injured, including a state trooper.
Speaker 3 (07:56):
My mom was down there. Couldn't defeat everybody. State police say.
Speaker 17 (08:01):
Forty seven year old guy House shot the trooper who
pulled him over near Lexington's Bluegrass Airport Sunday, then carjacked
another car and drove to Richmond Road Baptist Church. Family
of the victims, telling the Lexington Herald Leader, House entered
looking for the mother of his three children, who they
said wasn't there. They told the paper, he said, well
someone is gonna have to die then, and open fire,
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killing her mother and sister, Beverly Gum and Christina Combs,
also critically injuring Gum's husband, Pastor Jerry Gum, and another
man got new the schedule like he knew they were
all about to let out for churches, why you know,
came down to the Fellowship Home. House later died in
a shootout with police. Court record show he had a
lengthy criminal history, including felony robbery, for which he was
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sentenced to ten years in prison.
Speaker 3 (08:49):
Record show House was.
Speaker 17 (08:50):
Due in court this morning for an ongoing domestic violence
case involving a different woman who filed a restraining order
against him earlier this month. Authority say that state trooper
has serious injuries but is stable and the investigation remains ongoing.
Speaker 3 (09:06):
Tom Okay, Maggie, thank you.
Speaker 2 (09:08):
Thanks Maggie. That was a good one.
Speaker 18 (09:10):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (09:10):
The Popo shoot and kill a suspect, A particular kind
of suspect.
Speaker 13 (09:16):
My friend texting me, she was like, Yo, did you
see what happened?
Speaker 16 (09:19):
Joyce Meantequila rushed home after hearing there was a shooting
at her apartment complex in Uless. Even right now, still
talking about it, still fulk underfe nervous and scared. But
what happened here Thursday started in Plano's busy Legacy West
area on Wednesday.
Speaker 5 (09:34):
Zero eighty five Water Street at the Granitelangacy Last apartment.
Speaker 16 (09:37):
Wednesday afternoon, Plano police say they got a call saying
someone might be injured in an apartment unit.
Speaker 4 (09:42):
Hor I believes it is the brother's girlfriend.
Speaker 9 (09:46):
She is possibly killed, possibly a gunshot wound.
Speaker 16 (09:49):
When they arrived, they found a deceased woman, but no
one else was there. Officers say they identified a suspect
and put out an active arrest warrant for murder. Then Thursday,
a Ulis Patrol officer spot at the suspect's vehicle entering
these apartments on Fuller Wiser Road. Plano police came to
assist as the officer conducted a traffic stop. That's when
they say the suspect ignored the officer's commands and post
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an immediate threat, leading to an exchange and gunfire.
Speaker 3 (10:16):
The suspect was killed, and Joyce's.
Speaker 16 (10:18):
Family heard it all.
Speaker 7 (10:20):
They heard like a gunshots.
Speaker 17 (10:23):
Video from neighbors showing the aftermath.
Speaker 16 (10:26):
Police say the suspect and the victim knew each other,
but we're still working to learn how. Meanwhile, neighbors say
they're just thankful that no one else was injured, but
with the gunfire being so close to home, it does
raise concern. I thought our aproblement was going to be
like a safe place, a thought that normally brings her comfort,
which she hopes returns while police continue investigating in Uless.
Speaker 3 (10:46):
I'm Britney Moncrease.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
That was a good one. That was very good. Let's see. Yeah,
here we go. Don't attack pregnant women.
Speaker 3 (11:00):
Five am.
Speaker 19 (11:01):
Right now, I'm breaking news coming on the air at
this moment.
Speaker 20 (11:03):
A domestic dispute ends in a deadly officer involved shooting.
Speaker 2 (11:06):
This is on Jacksonville's North side. We are glad you
joining this morning.
Speaker 4 (11:10):
I'm Lewis Turner, Thank Keith and Nelson.
Speaker 17 (11:11):
The jackshu Sharf's office tells us a man was attacking
a pregnant woman who was holding a baby.
Speaker 1 (11:16):
At the time.
Speaker 16 (11:16):
Our Zach Willcox, he joins us, not live from that
scene in the neighborhood just off New Berlin Road.
Speaker 4 (11:22):
Zach, we wanted to get.
Speaker 3 (11:23):
Right out to use.
Speaker 16 (11:24):
Officers actually tried to tase the man several times before
actually shooting him.
Speaker 18 (11:31):
Becky the multiple rounds of tasing, trying to get him
to get restrained, and it was unsuccessful. I wanted to
show you a little bit of the scene that's behind
me here. We just saw the mobile command center get
out of here, but we just did see some crime
scene units back up in here for this scene, so
they're still out here investigating at this point. What we
do know is that police were called out here. When
they got to the house, they found a lot of
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commotion going on in the back of the house. They
busted down a door to a back bedroom and found
that man who was attacking a woman, pulling her hair
while she was clutching a baby. They tased him then
that was enough to break up that interaction there and
they were able to get her out of the room
and then they tried to calm him down a little bit.
Took about a half an hour, and ultimately they wound
up having to tase him again. He attacked a couple
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of officers, knocked them back, and that's when they opened
fire and shot at him. And I asked the sheriff
a little bit about to describe what it was like
that his officers were up against.
Speaker 7 (12:21):
He stood there like this when they tased him again,
and when it was over, he fought through it, removed
the prongs and took off an attackt and that's where
it ended.
Speaker 2 (12:31):
It's unfortunate. He never wanted to end like that.
Speaker 18 (12:37):
And they mentioned that the man was really large, so
hard to take him down, hard to restrain him.
Speaker 3 (12:41):
And they did say that he.
Speaker 18 (12:42):
Was talking throughout it, but they couldn't really make sense
of what he was saying. And he was actually chewing
on the woman's hair that he had pulled out of
her head. And we just got an update that the
woman has minor injuries as well as two officers who
had minor injuries here and they were able to be
treated on the scene on the north side. Zach Willcox firstcus.
Speaker 3 (12:58):
News on your Side, Right on your side.
Speaker 2 (13:01):
In fact, I say in that disclaimer that we do
not celebrate the death of the criminal. However, there are
always exceptions to the rules, primarily involving children and puppies.
I think this one, since we have a pregnant woman
holding a child, I think this calls for a celebratory.
Speaker 3 (13:22):
Yeah, there's an exception there. Yeah, yeah, it makes perfect sense.
We can celebrate that one.
Speaker 2 (13:26):
Yeah. Absolutely, see the popo shoot and kill a man
who had just well, you know what, We'll leave it
up to your judgment.
Speaker 4 (13:37):
Now know the name of the victim and the man
accused of killing her.
Speaker 13 (13:40):
Batman is also dead after being shot by officers who
showed up to try and save the woman. Police say
he fired a shot and wouldn't drop his gun when
they ordered him to. Local Toof's Christian Houser has the latest.
Speaker 10 (13:53):
Middletown police responded to the home on Mohawk Street after
reports that a woman had been shot by her husband.
I talked with Dan Hills, or Frontline Advisors, which represents
the Middletown Police Union, about this response.
Speaker 15 (14:04):
The police arrived on scene and they only had one
thing in mind, and that was to get to her.
They didn't know the extent of her injuries. They didn't
know if her life could be saved. Obviously, time was
of an essence.
Speaker 10 (14:16):
Hills tells me that suspect, six year old Ronald Kerr
warned officers to stay away and not come up to
the house.
Speaker 15 (14:21):
They told him they had to get in there to
head to check on her, and he pointed a gun
at him, and at one point he fired a shot,
we believe, at the police officers, and then he raised
the gun one more time and that's when the police
officers had to defend themselves and.
Speaker 8 (14:40):
He was shot.
Speaker 10 (14:40):
Once they dined it was safe to go in, officers
found Kerr dead from the gunshot wound, and a short
time later they found his wife, can swail It deceased
as well. Right now, there's no word on what may
have caused Ronald Kerr to shoot his wife, but Hill says,
no matter what officers know, these situations are extremely volatile
and dangerous, you have.
Speaker 15 (14:57):
To make decisions, and in this case, the decision to
make their way inside, which they hadn't even made their
way all the way inside yet when they started beings
floniously assaulted by this gunman.
Speaker 10 (15:12):
Meanwhile, Butler County Prosecutor Mike Moser tells me he will
present the officer involved shooting to a grand jury once
the investigation is complete.
Speaker 21 (15:19):
Those cases go to a grand jury in all cases,
no matter how obvious the justification may be, it is
a hard policy, immutable, unchangeable.
Speaker 4 (15:31):
In Butler County.
Speaker 10 (15:32):
I'm Christian Houser.
Speaker 13 (15:34):
The Ohio Bureau of Criminal Investigation is handling the investigation
into the officer involved shooting. That is standard for most
officer involved shootings in Ohio.
Speaker 2 (15:43):
Before we moved to the next one, I'd like to
speak to Guber number sixty eight twenty five. Michael, your
taxpayer relief shots are too violent. You forced me to
listen to Glenn Becker seven to ten. That's evil. If
you listen to this program for any length of time.
(16:06):
You know I play in deals solely in the real world. So,
with all due respect to you, pull your head out
of your butt, because this is the real world.
Speaker 3 (16:18):
Well, it's not like these are grotesque things you would
see in say movies or documentaries or anything. This is
this is the news. This is the evening news that
we are getting this from. This isn't like we're going
out there and finding the most grow testing and shoving
them into your face.
Speaker 22 (16:35):
No.
Speaker 3 (16:35):
No, this is what you get at six o'clock while
you're eating dinner on the night.
Speaker 2 (16:38):
That last one is from Ohio, from some rural area
of Ohio. This is the real world, which is why
we do these because there is an anti gun, anti
self defense culture in this country that wants to leave
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someone like you six two five unarmed, defenseless and scared
to defend yourself. This is why we do these. I'm
adamant about this because you know, you do you think
now case you will get we'll get one that's you know,
from the networks. But mostly these are local stories that
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never get any sort of national attention, never get replayed
by anybody else save this little program in Denver, Colorado
that wants to point out that, yes, you have a
right to defend yourself. And this is the kind of
stuff that happens every single day. Do you know there's
rarely a Friday that we don't walk out of here
at ten o'clock in the morning where we have enough
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to do another hour of them. That's how often this
occurs in this country. So please, and I say it
very respectfully, pull your head out of your butt. It's
not I mean, do you hear anything in these stories
that talks about I've tried to describe in the past,
I personally have tried to describe the aftermath of one
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of these taxpayer relief shots because it's not pleasant, it's
not pretty. I mean, you defend yourself. I mean, would
you would you rather have to replace the carpet in
your home or repair the drywall because of the blood
and brain splatter, or would you rather just be DRT
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dead right there yourself? This is why we do these,
So man up, Buttercup, come on the the popo, shoot
and kill well, you know, try to shoot it to call.
Speaker 23 (18:37):
Laura Sanland joins us live from the safety Building. So, Laura,
what are police saying about the moment leading.
Speaker 8 (18:43):
Up to this shooting?
Speaker 11 (18:46):
Tim Kaylee.
Speaker 22 (18:47):
Police say that officers were responding to a shots fired
call in East Toledo after somebody called nine to one
one claiming that an unknown male had shot another person.
Speaker 2 (18:57):
Now we'll shot this one again because I just thought
of something else. I don't force you to listen to anyone.
You make that choice.
Speaker 3 (19:06):
No, I just do my program.
Speaker 2 (19:09):
You made that choice to listen to somebody else, that's
to your loss.
Speaker 3 (19:17):
So normally, are I play a talkback right here?
Speaker 2 (19:19):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (19:19):
I'm not going to play a cackle. There's no consequences
because our program that we use to retrieve those talkbacks
is currently down. So if you're trying to send I
bet you are. I'm probably getting hundreds of talkbacks right now,
We're just not They're just not coming through. I'm not
seeing them. They may be, they may be there.
Speaker 2 (19:42):
Are you telling me that a billion dollar company free
to them APP is free to them APP, that six
eight hundred stations nationwide, largest podcast producer in the in
the world, all of that.
Speaker 3 (20:00):
Yeah, it's down. Yeah, it's a loading talkback screen. It's
been that way for almost a half an hour now.
And I did receive an email from corporate that I
read because it's said, you know, radio Edit Notes is
the program we used to get see now.
Speaker 2 (20:15):
Interestingly, I saw that email and hit delete.
Speaker 3 (20:19):
See that one. That one means something to me.
Speaker 2 (20:22):
It means zero to me.
Speaker 3 (20:24):
Yeah, Radio Edit Tools Performance Issues is like, oh that's
something I need.
Speaker 2 (20:28):
Yeah, And I went, oh, I just saw radio Edit delete.
Speaker 3 (20:32):
See yeah.
Speaker 2 (20:35):
That one it says we're going to edit you. Now
I'm going to read it, but not a radio edit So.
Speaker 3 (20:40):
So no consequences, no talkback unfortunately, but I'm sure you're
leaving them.
Speaker 2 (20:45):
And by the way, for the person who says the
text message about a particular sheriff, we're going to investigate that. However,
Dragon and I are on the same wavelength here, and
that is, if that sheriff is interested, then why isn't
that sheriff reached out.
Speaker 3 (20:58):
We want our sheriff who want to want to do
it not to be asked and well, okay, if you ask,
I can put out something.
Speaker 2 (21:07):
Yeah, but I'm going to I'm going to make the
inquiry with reference to the person that sits out here
and ask you know when and where was this said,
and what was the context? And you know what, what
do you think I'm going to find you find out
from him what his opinion is. Is this a oh
I'd love to do this, or well, yeah, they'd ask Yeah,
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I'll do it if I have to, because I'm tired
of sheriffs and Colorado getting lambasted for not doing it. Well,
that's not the kind of enthusiasm I want. I'd like
to be I'd like for it to be organic, like
every everyone, every single one that we do is organic, Yes,
every single one. Back to the one we were so
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rudely interrupted because of me.
Speaker 23 (21:52):
Of course, Inland joins us live from the safety building. So, Laura,
what are police saying about the moments leading up to
this shooting?
Speaker 22 (22:01):
Tim Kayley Police say that officers were responding to a
shots fired call in East Toledo after somebody called nine
to one one claiming that an unknown male had shot
another person. When officers first arrived on scene, they came
across a person who fits the description made by the caller.
Police say that person was later identified as thirty nine
year old Torell Carter Junior, who began to run away
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after seeing police cars. As he was running away, police say,
Carter began shooting at the officers, who then returned to
fire with their weapons.
Speaker 3 (22:33):
Carter was shot by the officers, who.
Speaker 22 (22:34):
Then began immediate medical aid before Toledo Fire and Rescue
arrived on scene. Carter was then transported to the hospital,
where he was later pronounced dead. This incident is the
second officer involved shooting at the Toledo Police Department this month,
following the shooting that took place just a week ago
at the Eastgate Apartments. Now, according to police, right now,
we are still waiting for the information as well as
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the body cam footage to be released from the involved
off Once we receive that information, will be sure to
keep you updated both on air and online. Reverning Live
in Downtown Toledo Laura Sanlin for W two.
Speaker 3 (23:08):
Well eleven as.
Speaker 2 (23:09):
Dragon says, you are you shooting at a cop? Well,
that's what's going to happen this next one. I'll just
say this, leave us baby boomers alone. We've been through
a lot and our tolerance level is pretty thin.
Speaker 4 (23:30):
I knew.
Speaker 17 (23:30):
At six tonight, a sixty year old man turns the
table on a suspected armed robber.
Speaker 20 (23:35):
The man told police that he grabbed the robbers gun
and shut and killed him with it late Friday night
near twenty thirty Keith only on wi Is In twelve News,
Nick Moorer spoke with fifteen suspects, Aunt and Nick. This
is an ongoing investigation.
Speaker 2 (23:50):
Well that's right.
Speaker 7 (23:50):
In Milwaukee, police are still working on that case about
what led up to that shooting death of a seventeen
year old at the hands of a sixty year old man,
But police say at this point they believe the seventeen.
Speaker 4 (24:01):
Year old is to blame.
Speaker 7 (24:05):
Milwaukee police arrived at the scene of a shooting to
find there was much more to the story. A seventeen
year old boy was dead, and the sixty year old
man who shot him readily admitted it to police. The
man was helping someone move into a nearby home, he
said when he was approached by the boy who pointed
the gun at him and.
Speaker 4 (24:22):
Tried to rob him.
Speaker 7 (24:23):
Instead, police say the man fought him off, got the
gun away from him, and shot the boy in self defense.
Speaker 11 (24:29):
We have no ill feelings against that person. That person
was defending himself.
Speaker 7 (24:33):
The family of the seventeen year old Rico Blackmer shared
this elementary school photo. His aunt tells me he wasn't perfect,
but he was still a loving and loved member of
the family.
Speaker 2 (24:43):
No people do bad things.
Speaker 11 (24:46):
For for the ant like this because even more even
more horrible because his mom. We don't know why he
went envied this. He we kill't provided everything he needed.
We just don't know why he was something like this
and for it's the end of it. That's that's what's
the hardest. I'm not knowing why he did it.
Speaker 7 (25:06):
Friends and family pulled together a memorial to remember him
where he was killed. Blackmore's friend Angel said his senseless
death could still serve a purpose.
Speaker 3 (25:15):
Well happened to him.
Speaker 16 (25:16):
I hope all these young people out here try to
ride people will wake up and just.
Speaker 22 (25:19):
Understand it's not good to be I rob nobody.
Speaker 7 (25:22):
Because just how you end up, and it is considered
extremely unlikely that the sixty year old man would be
charged in this case. He is not in custody. It'll
be reviewed by the district attorney next week. Livenear forty
ninth and North, Nick Board WISN twelve NARS.
Speaker 13 (25:39):
Thanks Nick.
Speaker 2 (25:39):
I really like that one because the family of the shooter,
the one that got the keen thug.
Speaker 8 (25:47):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (25:48):
Yeah, he was a good kid, but he made a
stupid mistake and we don't blame him for getting shot.
Then the other thing I clarify is it says sixty
year old man, So technically he's just one year beyond
baby boomer, so he's as close. Yeah it's supposed to
but yeah, close smothe and for what we doing radio
close close enough A defense attorney describe. Oh okay, defense
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attorney described what homeowner did.
Speaker 3 (26:17):
Right, okay, follow up here now.
Speaker 14 (26:20):
On a deadly shooting involving a homeowner and an alleged burglar.
Last week, a man called nine one one saying someone
was in his backyard. They were trying to force their
way into his home. While on the phone with nine
one one, the homeowner shot the man in his backyard
killing him. Well, that sus suspect has now been identified
as twenty five year old Kwame high Tower. Criminal defense
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attorney dwink Hades joins us now here in studio to
talk about this case.
Speaker 4 (26:47):
Dwin, good morning, Good morning, Slash to see you.
Speaker 14 (26:50):
We were just chatting a moment ago and you said
there's something important that this homeowner did.
Speaker 12 (26:55):
Well, the best thing he did was he called nine
one one. Okay, so calls are recorded. So while he
was talking to nine to one one and expressing the
fear that he felt because of this intruder in his
house that was trying to get in his house and
his children, he had small children there, So that helps
make a record. So when the police look at this
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and decide whether or not to file charges, it helps
a great deal to.
Speaker 3 (27:20):
Have a record.
Speaker 14 (27:21):
That's a good point because then they're recording the conversation
that can be used as evidence to protect you as
a homeowner. What are our rights as homeowners? Does that
person have to be on the property making trying to
make entry into the home. How do we know when
it's okay to really defend ourselves and our family and
our property.
Speaker 12 (27:41):
Well, there are no bright line rules about you know,
people used to say, what once they enter the home,
you could shoot them. In Arizona, self defense requires that
you fear for your life or if you fear for
the life of your children or your loved ones in
the house. Now, if he was just in the backyard
any shotting, that would probably be a problem. But because
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he was trying to make entry into the house, you know,
and the homeowner had a credible fear for his safety
or the safety of his children, then then then uh,
that's a self defense there.
Speaker 3 (28:15):
There is no standard ground there.
Speaker 12 (28:16):
There's a version of stand your ground in Arizona where
you don't.
Speaker 3 (28:20):
Have to retreat.
Speaker 12 (28:21):
Okay, so you can you can't stop somebody from entering
into your house.
Speaker 14 (28:26):
Does it matter what type of weapon you happened to
use to protect yourself in this case, obviously he had
a gun, But what if you use a bat or
something else. Does it depend on the weapon that you use.
Speaker 12 (28:38):
Well, there's a thing called proportionality, and the force you
use needs to be in some proportion to the to
the force you face. Okay, so you know, so like
just on the street, you know, it would be hard
if somebody was just going to punch you or was
yelling at you and you shot them. That wouldn't be proportional.
But because this person was using forced to try to
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get into the house, the homeowner was justified in using
force to keep him out.
Speaker 14 (29:06):
If there are homeowners out there who have questions for you,
of course your wealth and knowledge.
Speaker 3 (29:11):
How do we reach you?
Speaker 19 (29:12):
Doane?
Speaker 8 (29:12):
Uh?
Speaker 3 (29:12):
Dwaynekase dot com? All right, Duane, good to see you,
my friend. Thanks Los, thank you for your insight on
this case.
Speaker 2 (29:18):
I don't disagree with anything he said.
Speaker 5 (29:21):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (29:21):
And I understand that. You know, it's a typical TV interview,
So they did they this is a three minute package
they did. I would just have expounded more. But then
that's just me because the whole question about proportionality and
you know, could you use a baseball bat or something? Uh,
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Proportionality doesn't always mean that. It's still a calculation of
your reasonable fear and the guy had Let's say that
the perpetrator had the baseball bat and you've got the gun.
Is that proportional? It depends on your fear for your life.
If the guy is breaking into the house, he's got
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a baseball back, clearly a baseball bat. He's not coming
in the house to try to hit a home run.
He's coming in the house to bash your head in.
So yeah, I thank you that you could justifiably shoot
the sob so anyway, but that was a good one.
Let's see, let's get to another award winner. A female
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convenience store clerk. This that'd be good.
Speaker 19 (30:28):
Saturday night, December Long was the clerk on duty at
this stop and go on Sylvania Avenue. Police report at
around nine pm, Christopher Shockley attempted to rob the store
at gunpoint, but Long grabbed a gun of her own
from behind the counter.
Speaker 4 (30:41):
Came into the arm robbery.
Speaker 2 (30:44):
Turned into a gunfight.
Speaker 19 (30:45):
Please say that Shockley shot first, striking the clerk in
the abdomen. Long then return fire, hitting Shockley and killing him.
This man visits the store regularly, he says, the area
is usually quiet.
Speaker 5 (30:58):
I'm like this to happen in our community is like
a shot.
Speaker 19 (31:01):
Shockley has a prison record. His current address is listed
as a halfway house in Toledo. December Long is expected
to be okay. Police say would be robbers should think twice.
Speaker 4 (31:11):
You never know if that clerk behinds the counter is
going to have a gun.
Speaker 8 (31:14):
I think it is wise friend the carry gun because
you just never know.
Speaker 3 (31:18):
The same location was also hit. In February.
Speaker 19 (31:20):
Police release surveillance video attempting to catch the suspect. A
man attempted to rob the Stop and go on Upton
in December with a knife, but came up empty.
Speaker 2 (31:29):
Well, we have nothing.
Speaker 19 (31:32):
In just hours before that one, two masked men attempted
to rob the Stop and go on Jackman. This resident
praises December long for her actions.
Speaker 5 (31:40):
Well, but thanker, honestly, you know, because that could have
happened to someone else. And what if they didn't have
a gun.
Speaker 19 (31:45):
He thinks she may have prevented something worse from happening
in the future.
Speaker 9 (31:48):
Just think if she didn't have that weapon on her,
what could have happened in her You know, this could
be another person, innocent person dead for no reason.
Speaker 19 (31:54):
There are no charges expected to be filed against the clerk.
Christelle camp w n W taxpayer.
Speaker 2 (32:01):
Relief shots to continue after these messages. Thanks to everyone
who sent text messages in telling us how much you
appreciate the taxpayer relief shots. Yeah. Uh, this one's non fatal,
but because of the circumstances, I'm anxious to hear this one.
Speaker 24 (32:19):
Listen to a father and husband's nightmare playing out on
a nine one one call.
Speaker 4 (32:25):
She shot him, She shoot him, She shoot him, She
shoot them, She's shooting.
Speaker 24 (32:30):
Them away at work. Donnie Herman calls nine one one
with his wife Melinda at home in Loganville, Georgia, with
their two children hiding in their attic from a daytime intruder.
Speaker 3 (32:42):
He hears everything over the phone.
Speaker 4 (32:44):
When the intruder confronts them, shoot him again, shoot him?
Speaker 13 (32:49):
Oh no.
Speaker 24 (32:50):
Herman's wife was armed with a thirty eight caliber handgun
they kept in a safe. She fired all six shots,
hitting the intruder five times.
Speaker 4 (33:00):
If she had not had that firearm.
Speaker 2 (33:01):
What do you think would have happened?
Speaker 8 (33:03):
Well, we can. I can speculate all day long.
Speaker 24 (33:06):
Sheriff Joe Chapman believes the mother had no choice and,
in defending herself and her children, acted properly.
Speaker 8 (33:14):
Had it not turned out the way that it did,
I possibly would be working a triple homicide not having
a clue of who it is we're looking for.
Speaker 24 (33:23):
The suspect, identified as Paul Ali Slater, broke in with
a crowbar. He still managed to flee after being shot,
driving off the road a short distance away. Donnie Herman
told affiliate WSB his wife and children were unharmed.
Speaker 2 (33:39):
My wife is a hero. She protected her kids.
Speaker 24 (33:43):
She did what she was supposed to do as a responsible, prepared.
Speaker 2 (33:49):
Gun owner.
Speaker 24 (33:51):
We asked to speak to the couple, but now less
than a week after the incident, they're trying to maintain
their privacy. The sheriff tells us, they're dealing with some
unintended consequences. They're now reluctant figures in the national debate
over guns. Just two weeks before, the sheriff says, Donnie
Herban took his wife to a shooting range to teach
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her how to handle a gun. You can hear him
talking about it on the nine to one one call.
Speaker 4 (34:18):
Just remember everything that I showed you, everything that I
taught you, right.
Speaker 24 (34:21):
Words of comfort to his frightened wife seconds before she
pulled the trigger. Local authorities say they and the couple
have received calls of support from all over the country.
Speaker 2 (34:32):
No reasonable person can overlook.
Speaker 24 (34:34):
This by looking at what happened in this home, in
this county.
Speaker 2 (34:39):
What does that say about gun rights?
Speaker 8 (34:42):
Well, in this county, it says that the people still
have the right to defend themselves.
Speaker 24 (34:49):
Spring David back in, So, David, what is the status
of this allegend intruder now? Well, the allegend truder is
in the hospital. His condition has now been publicly released
for privacy reasons.
Speaker 2 (35:00):
Okay, that's enough. Wow, that is classic, whether he lives
or dies. How can that be possibly controversial?
Speaker 21 (35:12):
How
Michael, I realized that my last talk back was a
little vengeful about this guy, this murder in Arkansas, and
it was a little emotional to be put mild day,
I suppose, and he deserves justice, but vengeance is for God,
not for us. And anyway, I just wanted to add
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that my apologies for being able over the top.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
Caution you are about to experience on the situation with
no no reason to apologize. I actually agree with you.
Speaker 3 (00:34):
Yeah, I don't think anybody was against you there my faith.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
Yeah, So just chill, You're fine. You're fine. You may
now proceed.
Speaker 4 (00:43):
Caution, you are about to experience the tax payer relief
shot segment on the situation with Michael Brown. Caution, you
are about to experience the tax payer relief shot segment
on the situation with Michael Brown. We do not necessarily
relish the death of any criminal, but we do celebrate
our god given and constitutional right to self defense in
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the event that the criminal becomes DRT. The taxpayers spared
the cost of public defenders, court costs, incarceration, and continued
parole supervision. As the Sheriff of Santa Rosa County, Florida
says insert audio here, or Sheriff Grady of Polk County
says insert audio here. You have been warned. Listen at
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your own risks.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
Mike. It is Friday, it is time to do taxpayer
relief shots. And this is where I get mouse challenged
if I can do the double clicks correctly. And we
call these taxpayer relief shots, because well.
Speaker 5 (01:44):
Somebody's breaking in your house here, more than welcome to
shoot them in Santa's accounting, we prefer that you do. Actually,
hopefully you'll save the taxpayers money.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
Do I want dragon?
Speaker 3 (01:53):
There was an emailer that emailed earlier in the week
says he might know somebody who might be thinking about
participating in being law enforcement to endorse, so to speak,
your textpayer relation shots.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
And I think you told me that this person is
not a sheriff, but is running to be a sheriff. Correct. Yeah,
if he were a sheriff, I would be begging him
to do it, like I am not any sheriff in Colorado.
But if you're running for sheriff, seems to me that
you're kind of wanning a little. I'm not imputing any
sort of you know, dishonorable or uh nefarious, nefarious. Thank you?
(02:34):
Good for a good word. That's a very good word.
Nefarious motives here other than oh, this is candidate so
and so who says this. Yeah, it sounds like a
political commercial to me.
Speaker 3 (02:44):
Any regular law enforcement person or you're like just a regular.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
Old I'd love to have any regular law enforcement person
like do it like, but in particular sheriff. And you know,
it's interesting you asked that, because sure, could I probably
get a cop to do it, you know some Denver
pop that. Yeah, But I want to sheriff because they're
elected constitutional officers, gotcha. That's that's kind of why I
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want to shriff. And they all seem to be a
little weasley about this, which I don't know why, because
again it's simply.
Speaker 5 (03:18):
Somebody's breaking in your house here, more than welcome to
shoot him. In Santaoise accounting, we prefer that you do.
Actually hopefully you'll save the taxpayers money.
Speaker 2 (03:25):
And sometimes what happens is you.
Speaker 6 (03:27):
Could use a taser, you could use your other handgun
if the guy is still coming at you to get
your weapon.
Speaker 2 (03:34):
That is uh, you know, understandable. Ah, like damn, he
just shot his dude. Well, sometimes they asked to be shot.
He asked to be shocked.
Speaker 6 (03:47):
He demanded to be shot, and then he forced us
to shoot him.
Speaker 2 (03:51):
So we obliged him, so he obliged him.
Speaker 7 (03:55):
Loser.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
And what Sheriff Gradi's advice that if you don't want
to get shut.
Speaker 6 (04:03):
Don't attack my deputies. Don't try to stab or shoot
my deputies because if you do, we're gonna shoot you
a lot.
Speaker 2 (04:16):
Now we got a sheriff. I forget where the sheriff
is from, and I apologize. I don't think it's Florida,
but we have a sheriff that did a public service announcement.
Speaker 8 (04:25):
Hi.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
Everyone.
Speaker 9 (04:26):
Recently, lady called nine one one here in Panell County
because someone was breaking.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
Into her house.
Speaker 3 (04:31):
There's some guy.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
He came to my door, but he went into my
neighbor's house.
Speaker 9 (04:36):
This dispatcher gave excellent advice. I'd like you to take
a moment and listen to it.
Speaker 10 (04:40):
He came into my garage.
Speaker 1 (04:41):
He's trying to give my back dorse.
Speaker 11 (04:42):
Okay, lock your doors, keep them all locked.
Speaker 12 (04:44):
Do you have a firearm with you?
Speaker 13 (04:46):
I do.
Speaker 14 (04:47):
He's in my garage.
Speaker 9 (04:48):
He's trying to get in.
Speaker 4 (04:49):
Go get that firearm.
Speaker 15 (04:50):
I haven't done. I'll here you Leah.
Speaker 9 (04:56):
While the incident was still going on, sergeant was monitored
in the radio traffic and this is his direction that
he gave.
Speaker 13 (05:03):
If i's got RP, if it's subjects trying to get
in the house, down the right to use force.
Speaker 9 (05:07):
I couldn't be more in agreement with what the direction
of my dispatcher gave and what the sergeant gave over
the radio. Remember, if you want personal protection, buy a gun,
learn how to use it, learn when you can use it.
I'm Sriff Ross, people, and I approve of this message.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
See why why someone explained to me why there is
not a sheriff in the entire state of Colorado that's
not willing to say something like that.
Speaker 3 (05:29):
You have your normal disclaimer that you used to read
until we had our listeners put up those normal rules
of engagement for the taxpairly shots. What's what's the normal
uh disclaimer that you would normally read? Do you still
have that in your binder? I probably do well, just
in case any you know sheriff for you know, regular
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police officers listening. Now here's something for you.
Speaker 16 (05:53):
All right.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
I bring these stories about private citizens and occasionally the
popo using legal deadly force to protect their own lives
and the lives of others, not because we celebrate the
death of the criminal, but because we celebrate the god
given and constitutional right of people to protect themselves against
death or serious bodily injury at the hands of others.
I call these taxpayer relief shots because when the legal
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use of that deadly force results in the death of
the criminal, it saves the taxpayers the cost of a
jury trial, including the cost of a court appointed public
defender in most cases, possible numerous appeals, and of course
the meal, medical clothing, and possible probationary supervision costs that
are associated with the arrest in imprisonment of that criminal. Thus,
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taxpayer relief shots.
Speaker 3 (06:40):
Now, so, if you happen to be in law enforcement,
particularly a sheriff, there's your go to right there, right
send us a talkback. You'll record yourself on a little
iPhone and send that in and we will happily play that.
Speaker 2 (06:53):
We will happily add it to our REPI Now, the
reason we do taxpayer relief shots in addition to their
taxpayer relief shots is because there are really idiots. I
know this is shocking news to you, but there are
idiots out there.
Speaker 10 (07:12):
His sister Rochelle, acknowledged his actions but criticized the employee's response, stating, yes,
he was robbing them, but that clerk shouldn't have shot him.
Speaker 2 (07:19):
They should have called the police. I mean, I know
my brother had a forty four mag pointed at the
clerk and was ready to blow his head off. But
why did he have to call the cops? I mean,
why did he have to shoot him? He could have
just called the cops. Come on, come on, man, come on, man,
come on. Let's see. Let's catch up from last week.
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The popo say, I don't listen to these until we
play the Popo shooting.
Speaker 17 (07:45):
Kill a felon new detail tonight, and the deadly shooting
spree that police say left to Kentucky mother and daughter
dead and three others injured, including a state trooper.
Speaker 3 (07:56):
My mom was down there. Couldn't defeat everybody. State police say.
Speaker 17 (08:01):
Forty seven year old guy House shot the trooper who
pulled him over near Lexington's Bluegrass Airport Sunday, then carjacked
another car and drove to Richmond Road Baptist Church. Family
of the victims, telling the Lexington Herald Leader, House entered
looking for the mother of his three children, who they
said wasn't there. They told the paper, he said, well
someone is gonna have to die then, and open fire,
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killing her mother and sister, Beverly Gum and Christina Combs,
also critically injuring Gum's husband, Pastor Jerry Gum, and another
man got new the schedule like he knew they were
all about to let out for churches, why you know,
came down to the Fellowship Home. House later died in
a shootout with police. Court record show he had a
lengthy criminal history, including felony robbery, for which he was
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sentenced to ten years in prison.
Speaker 3 (08:49):
Record show House was.
Speaker 17 (08:50):
Due in court this morning for an ongoing domestic violence
case involving a different woman who filed a restraining order
against him earlier this month. Authority say that state trooper
has serious injuries but is stable and the investigation remains ongoing.
Speaker 3 (09:06):
Tom Okay, Maggie, thank you.
Speaker 2 (09:08):
Thanks Maggie. That was a good one.
Speaker 18 (09:10):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (09:10):
The Popo shoot and kill a suspect, A particular kind
of suspect.
Speaker 13 (09:16):
My friend texting me, she was like, Yo, did you
see what happened?
Speaker 16 (09:19):
Joyce Meantequila rushed home after hearing there was a shooting
at her apartment complex in Uless. Even right now, still
talking about it, still fulk underfe nervous and scared. But
what happened here Thursday started in Plano's busy Legacy West
area on Wednesday.
Speaker 5 (09:34):
Zero eighty five Water Street at the Granitelangacy Last apartment.
Speaker 16 (09:37):
Wednesday afternoon, Plano police say they got a call saying
someone might be injured in an apartment unit.
Speaker 4 (09:42):
Hor I believes it is the brother's girlfriend.
Speaker 9 (09:46):
She is possibly killed, possibly a gunshot wound.
Speaker 16 (09:49):
When they arrived, they found a deceased woman, but no
one else was there. Officers say they identified a suspect
and put out an active arrest warrant for murder. Then Thursday,
a Ulis Patrol officer spot at the suspect's vehicle entering
these apartments on Fuller Wiser Road. Plano police came to
assist as the officer conducted a traffic stop. That's when
they say the suspect ignored the officer's commands and post
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an immediate threat, leading to an exchange and gunfire.
Speaker 3 (10:16):
The suspect was killed, and Joyce's.
Speaker 16 (10:18):
Family heard it all.
Speaker 7 (10:20):
They heard like a gunshots.
Speaker 17 (10:23):
Video from neighbors showing the aftermath.
Speaker 16 (10:26):
Police say the suspect and the victim knew each other,
but we're still working to learn how. Meanwhile, neighbors say
they're just thankful that no one else was injured, but
with the gunfire being so close to home, it does
raise concern. I thought our aproblement was going to be
like a safe place, a thought that normally brings her comfort,
which she hopes returns while police continue investigating in Uless.
Speaker 3 (10:46):
I'm Britney Moncrease.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
That was a good one. That was very good. Let's see. Yeah,
here we go. Don't attack pregnant women.
Speaker 3 (11:00):
Five am.
Speaker 19 (11:01):
Right now, I'm breaking news coming on the air at
this moment.
Speaker 20 (11:03):
A domestic dispute ends in a deadly officer involved shooting.
Speaker 2 (11:06):
This is on Jacksonville's North side. We are glad you
joining this morning.
Speaker 4 (11:10):
I'm Lewis Turner, Thank Keith and Nelson.
Speaker 17 (11:11):
The jackshu Sharf's office tells us a man was attacking
a pregnant woman who was holding a baby.
Speaker 1 (11:16):
At the time.
Speaker 16 (11:16):
Our Zach Willcox, he joins us, not live from that
scene in the neighborhood just off New Berlin Road.
Speaker 4 (11:22):
Zach, we wanted to get.
Speaker 3 (11:23):
Right out to use.
Speaker 16 (11:24):
Officers actually tried to tase the man several times before
actually shooting him.
Speaker 18 (11:31):
Becky the multiple rounds of tasing, trying to get him
to get restrained, and it was unsuccessful. I wanted to
show you a little bit of the scene that's behind
me here. We just saw the mobile command center get
out of here, but we just did see some crime
scene units back up in here for this scene, so
they're still out here investigating at this point. What we
do know is that police were called out here. When
they got to the house, they found a lot of
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commotion going on in the back of the house. They
busted down a door to a back bedroom and found
that man who was attacking a woman, pulling her hair
while she was clutching a baby. They tased him then
that was enough to break up that interaction there and
they were able to get her out of the room
and then they tried to calm him down a little bit.
Took about a half an hour, and ultimately they wound
up having to tase him again. He attacked a couple
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of officers, knocked them back, and that's when they opened
fire and shot at him. And I asked the sheriff
a little bit about to describe what it was like
that his officers were up against.
Speaker 7 (12:21):
He stood there like this when they tased him again,
and when it was over, he fought through it, removed
the prongs and took off an attackt and that's where
it ended.
Speaker 2 (12:31):
It's unfortunate. He never wanted to end like that.
Speaker 18 (12:37):
And they mentioned that the man was really large, so
hard to take him down, hard to restrain him.
Speaker 3 (12:41):
And they did say that he.
Speaker 18 (12:42):
Was talking throughout it, but they couldn't really make sense
of what he was saying. And he was actually chewing
on the woman's hair that he had pulled out of
her head. And we just got an update that the
woman has minor injuries as well as two officers who
had minor injuries here and they were able to be
treated on the scene on the north side. Zach Willcox firstcus.
Speaker 3 (12:58):
News on your Side, Right on your side.
Speaker 2 (13:01):
In fact, I say in that disclaimer that we do
not celebrate the death of the criminal. However, there are
always exceptions to the rules, primarily involving children and puppies.
I think this one, since we have a pregnant woman
holding a child, I think this calls for a celebratory.
Speaker 3 (13:22):
Yeah, there's an exception there. Yeah, yeah, it makes perfect sense.
We can celebrate that one.
Speaker 2 (13:26):
Yeah. Absolutely, see the popo shoot and kill a man
who had just well, you know what, We'll leave it
up to your judgment.
Speaker 4 (13:37):
Now know the name of the victim and the man
accused of killing her.
Speaker 13 (13:40):
Batman is also dead after being shot by officers who
showed up to try and save the woman. Police say
he fired a shot and wouldn't drop his gun when
they ordered him to. Local Toof's Christian Houser has the latest.
Speaker 10 (13:53):
Middletown police responded to the home on Mohawk Street after
reports that a woman had been shot by her husband.
I talked with Dan Hills, or Frontline Advisors, which represents
the Middletown Police Union, about this response.
Speaker 15 (14:04):
The police arrived on scene and they only had one
thing in mind, and that was to get to her.
They didn't know the extent of her injuries. They didn't
know if her life could be saved. Obviously, time was
of an essence.
Speaker 10 (14:16):
Hills tells me that suspect, six year old Ronald Kerr
warned officers to stay away and not come up to
the house.
Speaker 15 (14:21):
They told him they had to get in there to
head to check on her, and he pointed a gun
at him, and at one point he fired a shot,
we believe, at the police officers, and then he raised
the gun one more time and that's when the police
officers had to defend themselves and.
Speaker 8 (14:40):
He was shot.
Speaker 10 (14:40):
Once they dined it was safe to go in, officers
found Kerr dead from the gunshot wound, and a short
time later they found his wife, can swail It deceased
as well. Right now, there's no word on what may
have caused Ronald Kerr to shoot his wife, but Hill says,
no matter what officers know, these situations are extremely volatile
and dangerous, you have.
Speaker 15 (14:57):
To make decisions, and in this case, the decision to
make their way inside, which they hadn't even made their
way all the way inside yet when they started beings
floniously assaulted by this gunman.
Speaker 10 (15:12):
Meanwhile, Butler County Prosecutor Mike Moser tells me he will
present the officer involved shooting to a grand jury once
the investigation is complete.
Speaker 21 (15:19):
Those cases go to a grand jury in all cases,
no matter how obvious the justification may be, it is
a hard policy, immutable, unchangeable.
Speaker 4 (15:31):
In Butler County.
Speaker 10 (15:32):
I'm Christian Houser.
Speaker 13 (15:34):
The Ohio Bureau of Criminal Investigation is handling the investigation
into the officer involved shooting. That is standard for most
officer involved shootings in Ohio.
Speaker 2 (15:43):
Before we moved to the next one, I'd like to
speak to Guber number sixty eight twenty five. Michael, your
taxpayer relief shots are too violent. You forced me to
listen to Glenn Becker seven to ten. That's evil. If
you listen to this program for any length of time.
(16:06):
You know I play in deals solely in the real world. So,
with all due respect to you, pull your head out
of your butt, because this is the real world.
Speaker 3 (16:18):
Well, it's not like these are grotesque things you would
see in say movies or documentaries or anything. This is
this is the news. This is the evening news that
we are getting this from. This isn't like we're going
out there and finding the most grow testing and shoving
them into your face.
Speaker 22 (16:35):
No.
Speaker 3 (16:35):
No, this is what you get at six o'clock while
you're eating dinner on the night.
Speaker 2 (16:38):
That last one is from Ohio, from some rural area
of Ohio. This is the real world, which is why
we do these because there is an anti gun, anti
self defense culture in this country that wants to leave
(16:58):
someone like you six two five unarmed, defenseless and scared
to defend yourself. This is why we do these. I'm
adamant about this because you know, you do you think
now case you will get we'll get one that's you know,
from the networks. But mostly these are local stories that
(17:19):
never get any sort of national attention, never get replayed
by anybody else save this little program in Denver, Colorado
that wants to point out that, yes, you have a
right to defend yourself. And this is the kind of
stuff that happens every single day. Do you know there's
rarely a Friday that we don't walk out of here
at ten o'clock in the morning where we have enough
(17:40):
to do another hour of them. That's how often this
occurs in this country. So please, and I say it
very respectfully, pull your head out of your butt. It's
not I mean, do you hear anything in these stories
that talks about I've tried to describe in the past,
I personally have tried to describe the aftermath of one
(18:02):
of these taxpayer relief shots because it's not pleasant, it's
not pretty. I mean, you defend yourself. I mean, would
you would you rather have to replace the carpet in
your home or repair the drywall because of the blood
and brain splatter, or would you rather just be DRT
(18:23):
dead right there yourself? This is why we do these,
So man up, Buttercup, come on the the popo, shoot
and kill well, you know, try to shoot it to call.
Speaker 23 (18:37):
Laura Sanland joins us live from the safety Building. So, Laura,
what are police saying about the moment leading.
Speaker 8 (18:43):
Up to this shooting?
Speaker 11 (18:46):
Tim Kaylee.
Speaker 22 (18:47):
Police say that officers were responding to a shots fired
call in East Toledo after somebody called nine to one
one claiming that an unknown male had shot another person.
Speaker 2 (18:57):
Now we'll shot this one again because I just thought
of something else. I don't force you to listen to anyone.
You make that choice.
Speaker 3 (19:06):
No, I just do my program.
Speaker 2 (19:09):
You made that choice to listen to somebody else, that's
to your loss.
Speaker 3 (19:17):
So normally, are I play a talkback right here?
Speaker 2 (19:19):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (19:19):
I'm not going to play a cackle. There's no consequences
because our program that we use to retrieve those talkbacks
is currently down. So if you're trying to send I
bet you are. I'm probably getting hundreds of talkbacks right now,
We're just not They're just not coming through. I'm not
seeing them. They may be, they may be there.
Speaker 2 (19:42):
Are you telling me that a billion dollar company free
to them APP is free to them APP, that six
eight hundred stations nationwide, largest podcast producer in the in
the world, all of that.
Speaker 3 (20:00):
Yeah, it's down. Yeah, it's a loading talkback screen. It's
been that way for almost a half an hour now.
And I did receive an email from corporate that I
read because it's said, you know, radio Edit Notes is
the program we used to get see now.
Speaker 2 (20:15):
Interestingly, I saw that email and hit delete.
Speaker 3 (20:19):
See that one. That one means something to me.
Speaker 2 (20:22):
It means zero to me.
Speaker 3 (20:24):
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something I need.
Speaker 2 (20:28):
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Speaker 3 (20:32):
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Speaker 2 (20:35):
That one it says we're going to edit you. Now
I'm going to read it, but not a radio edit So.
Speaker 3 (20:40):
So no consequences, no talkback unfortunately, but I'm sure you're
leaving them.
Speaker 2 (20:45):
And by the way, for the person who says the
text message about a particular sheriff, we're going to investigate that. However,
Dragon and I are on the same wavelength here, and
that is, if that sheriff is interested, then why isn't
that sheriff reached out.
Speaker 3 (20:58):
We want our sheriff who want to want to do
it not to be asked and well, okay, if you ask,
I can put out something.
Speaker 2 (21:07):
Yeah, but I'm going to I'm going to make the
inquiry with reference to the person that sits out here
and ask you know when and where was this said,
and what was the context? And you know what, what
do you think I'm going to find you find out
from him what his opinion is. Is this a oh
I'd love to do this, or well, yeah, they'd ask Yeah,
(21:29):
I'll do it if I have to, because I'm tired
of sheriffs and Colorado getting lambasted for not doing it. Well,
that's not the kind of enthusiasm I want. I'd like
to be I'd like for it to be organic, like
every everyone, every single one that we do is organic, Yes,
every single one. Back to the one we were so
(21:49):
rudely interrupted because of me.
Speaker 23 (21:52):
Of course, Inland joins us live from the safety building. So, Laura,
what are police saying about the moments leading up to
this shooting?
Speaker 22 (22:01):
Tim Kayley Police say that officers were responding to a
shots fired call in East Toledo after somebody called nine
to one one claiming that an unknown male had shot
another person. When officers first arrived on scene, they came
across a person who fits the description made by the caller.
Police say that person was later identified as thirty nine
year old Torell Carter Junior, who began to run away
(22:24):
after seeing police cars. As he was running away, police say,
Carter began shooting at the officers, who then returned to
fire with their weapons.
Speaker 3 (22:33):
Carter was shot by the officers, who.
Speaker 22 (22:34):
Then began immediate medical aid before Toledo Fire and Rescue
arrived on scene. Carter was then transported to the hospital,
where he was later pronounced dead. This incident is the
second officer involved shooting at the Toledo Police Department this month,
following the shooting that took place just a week ago
at the Eastgate Apartments. Now, according to police, right now,
we are still waiting for the information as well as
(22:57):
the body cam footage to be released from the involved
off Once we receive that information, will be sure to
keep you updated both on air and online. Reverning Live
in Downtown Toledo Laura Sanlin for W two.
Speaker 3 (23:08):
Well eleven as.
Speaker 2 (23:09):
Dragon says, you are you shooting at a cop? Well,
that's what's going to happen this next one. I'll just
say this, leave us baby boomers alone. We've been through
a lot and our tolerance level is pretty thin.
Speaker 4 (23:30):
I knew.
Speaker 17 (23:30):
At six tonight, a sixty year old man turns the
table on a suspected armed robber.
Speaker 20 (23:35):
The man told police that he grabbed the robbers gun
and shut and killed him with it late Friday night
near twenty thirty Keith only on wi Is In twelve News,
Nick Moorer spoke with fifteen suspects, Aunt and Nick. This
is an ongoing investigation.
Speaker 2 (23:50):
Well that's right.
Speaker 7 (23:50):
In Milwaukee, police are still working on that case about
what led up to that shooting death of a seventeen
year old at the hands of a sixty year old man,
But police say at this point they believe the seventeen.
Speaker 4 (24:01):
Year old is to blame.
Speaker 7 (24:05):
Milwaukee police arrived at the scene of a shooting to
find there was much more to the story. A seventeen
year old boy was dead, and the sixty year old
man who shot him readily admitted it to police. The
man was helping someone move into a nearby home, he
said when he was approached by the boy who pointed
the gun at him and.
Speaker 4 (24:22):
Tried to rob him.
Speaker 7 (24:23):
Instead, police say the man fought him off, got the
gun away from him, and shot the boy in self defense.
Speaker 11 (24:29):
We have no ill feelings against that person. That person
was defending himself.
Speaker 7 (24:33):
The family of the seventeen year old Rico Blackmer shared
this elementary school photo. His aunt tells me he wasn't perfect,
but he was still a loving and loved member of
the family.
Speaker 2 (24:43):
No people do bad things.
Speaker 11 (24:46):
For for the ant like this because even more even
more horrible because his mom. We don't know why he
went envied this. He we kill't provided everything he needed.
We just don't know why he was something like this
and for it's the end of it. That's that's what's
the hardest. I'm not knowing why he did it.
Speaker 7 (25:06):
Friends and family pulled together a memorial to remember him
where he was killed. Blackmore's friend Angel said his senseless
death could still serve a purpose.
Speaker 3 (25:15):
Well happened to him.
Speaker 16 (25:16):
I hope all these young people out here try to
ride people will wake up and just.
Speaker 22 (25:19):
Understand it's not good to be I rob nobody.
Speaker 7 (25:22):
Because just how you end up, and it is considered
extremely unlikely that the sixty year old man would be
charged in this case. He is not in custody. It'll
be reviewed by the district attorney next week. Livenear forty
ninth and North, Nick Board WISN twelve NARS.
Speaker 13 (25:39):
Thanks Nick.
Speaker 2 (25:39):
I really like that one because the family of the shooter,
the one that got the keen thug.
Speaker 8 (25:47):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (25:48):
Yeah, he was a good kid, but he made a
stupid mistake and we don't blame him for getting shot.
Then the other thing I clarify is it says sixty
year old man, So technically he's just one year beyond
baby boomer, so he's as close. Yeah it's supposed to
but yeah, close smothe and for what we doing radio
close close enough A defense attorney describe. Oh okay, defense
(26:14):
attorney described what homeowner did.
Speaker 3 (26:17):
Right, okay, follow up here now.
Speaker 14 (26:20):
On a deadly shooting involving a homeowner and an alleged burglar.
Last week, a man called nine one one saying someone
was in his backyard. They were trying to force their
way into his home. While on the phone with nine
one one, the homeowner shot the man in his backyard
killing him. Well, that sus suspect has now been identified
as twenty five year old Kwame high Tower. Criminal defense
(26:44):
attorney dwink Hades joins us now here in studio to
talk about this case.
Speaker 4 (26:47):
Dwin, good morning, Good morning, Slash to see you.
Speaker 14 (26:50):
We were just chatting a moment ago and you said
there's something important that this homeowner did.
Speaker 12 (26:55):
Well, the best thing he did was he called nine
one one. Okay, so calls are recorded. So while he
was talking to nine to one one and expressing the
fear that he felt because of this intruder in his
house that was trying to get in his house and
his children, he had small children there, So that helps
make a record. So when the police look at this
(27:16):
and decide whether or not to file charges, it helps
a great deal to.
Speaker 3 (27:20):
Have a record.
Speaker 14 (27:21):
That's a good point because then they're recording the conversation
that can be used as evidence to protect you as
a homeowner. What are our rights as homeowners? Does that
person have to be on the property making trying to
make entry into the home. How do we know when
it's okay to really defend ourselves and our family and
our property.
Speaker 12 (27:41):
Well, there are no bright line rules about you know,
people used to say, what once they enter the home,
you could shoot them. In Arizona, self defense requires that
you fear for your life or if you fear for
the life of your children or your loved ones in
the house. Now, if he was just in the backyard
any shotting, that would probably be a problem. But because
(28:03):
he was trying to make entry into the house, you know,
and the homeowner had a credible fear for his safety
or the safety of his children, then then then uh,
that's a self defense there.
Speaker 3 (28:15):
There is no standard ground there.
Speaker 12 (28:16):
There's a version of stand your ground in Arizona where
you don't.
Speaker 3 (28:20):
Have to retreat.
Speaker 12 (28:21):
Okay, so you can you can't stop somebody from entering
into your house.
Speaker 14 (28:26):
Does it matter what type of weapon you happened to
use to protect yourself in this case, obviously he had
a gun, But what if you use a bat or
something else. Does it depend on the weapon that you use.
Speaker 12 (28:38):
Well, there's a thing called proportionality, and the force you
use needs to be in some proportion to the to
the force you face. Okay, so you know, so like
just on the street, you know, it would be hard
if somebody was just going to punch you or was
yelling at you and you shot them. That wouldn't be proportional.
But because this person was using forced to try to
(29:00):
get into the house, the homeowner was justified in using
force to keep him out.
Speaker 14 (29:06):
If there are homeowners out there who have questions for you,
of course your wealth and knowledge.
Speaker 3 (29:11):
How do we reach you?
Speaker 19 (29:12):
Doane?
Speaker 8 (29:12):
Uh?
Speaker 3 (29:12):
Dwaynekase dot com? All right, Duane, good to see you,
my friend. Thanks Los, thank you for your insight on
this case.
Speaker 2 (29:18):
I don't disagree with anything he said.
Speaker 5 (29:21):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (29:21):
And I understand that. You know, it's a typical TV interview,
So they did they this is a three minute package
they did. I would just have expounded more. But then
that's just me because the whole question about proportionality and
you know, could you use a baseball bat or something? Uh,
(29:42):
Proportionality doesn't always mean that. It's still a calculation of
your reasonable fear and the guy had Let's say that
the perpetrator had the baseball bat and you've got the gun.
Is that proportional? It depends on your fear for your life.
If the guy is breaking into the house, he's got
(30:03):
a baseball back, clearly a baseball bat. He's not coming
in the house to try to hit a home run.
He's coming in the house to bash your head in.
So yeah, I thank you that you could justifiably shoot
the sob so anyway, but that was a good one.
Let's see, let's get to another award winner. A female
(30:24):
convenience store clerk. This that'd be good.
Speaker 19 (30:28):
Saturday night, December Long was the clerk on duty at
this stop and go on Sylvania Avenue. Police report at
around nine pm, Christopher Shockley attempted to rob the store
at gunpoint, but Long grabbed a gun of her own
from behind the counter.
Speaker 4 (30:41):
Came into the arm robbery.
Speaker 2 (30:44):
Turned into a gunfight.
Speaker 19 (30:45):
Please say that Shockley shot first, striking the clerk in
the abdomen. Long then return fire, hitting Shockley and killing him.
This man visits the store regularly, he says, the area
is usually quiet.
Speaker 5 (30:58):
I'm like this to happen in our community is like
a shot.
Speaker 19 (31:01):
Shockley has a prison record. His current address is listed
as a halfway house in Toledo. December Long is expected
to be okay. Police say would be robbers should think twice.
Speaker 4 (31:11):
You never know if that clerk behinds the counter is
going to have a gun.
Speaker 8 (31:14):
I think it is wise friend the carry gun because
you just never know.
Speaker 3 (31:18):
The same location was also hit. In February.
Speaker 19 (31:20):
Police release surveillance video attempting to catch the suspect. A
man attempted to rob the Stop and go on Upton
in December with a knife, but came up empty.
Speaker 2 (31:29):
Well, we have nothing.
Speaker 19 (31:32):
In just hours before that one, two masked men attempted
to rob the Stop and go on Jackman. This resident
praises December long for her actions.
Speaker 5 (31:40):
Well, but thanker, honestly, you know, because that could have
happened to someone else. And what if they didn't have
a gun.
Speaker 19 (31:45):
He thinks she may have prevented something worse from happening
in the future.
Speaker 9 (31:48):
Just think if she didn't have that weapon on her,
what could have happened in her You know, this could
be another person, innocent person dead for no reason.
Speaker 19 (31:54):
There are no charges expected to be filed against the clerk.
Christelle camp w n W taxpayer.
Speaker 2 (32:01):
Relief shots to continue after these messages. Thanks to everyone
who sent text messages in telling us how much you
appreciate the taxpayer relief shots. Yeah. Uh, this one's non fatal,
but because of the circumstances, I'm anxious to hear this one.
Speaker 24 (32:19):
Listen to a father and husband's nightmare playing out on
a nine one one call.
Speaker 4 (32:25):
She shot him, She shoot him, She shoot him, She
shoot them, She's shooting.
Speaker 24 (32:30):
Them away at work. Donnie Herman calls nine one one
with his wife Melinda at home in Loganville, Georgia, with
their two children hiding in their attic from a daytime intruder.
Speaker 3 (32:42):
He hears everything over the phone.
Speaker 4 (32:44):
When the intruder confronts them, shoot him again, shoot him?
Speaker 13 (32:49):
Oh no.
Speaker 24 (32:50):
Herman's wife was armed with a thirty eight caliber handgun
they kept in a safe. She fired all six shots,
hitting the intruder five times.
Speaker 4 (33:00):
If she had not had that firearm.
Speaker 2 (33:01):
What do you think would have happened?
Speaker 8 (33:03):
Well, we can. I can speculate all day long.
Speaker 24 (33:06):
Sheriff Joe Chapman believes the mother had no choice and,
in defending herself and her children, acted properly.
Speaker 8 (33:14):
Had it not turned out the way that it did,
I possibly would be working a triple homicide not having
a clue of who it is we're looking for.
Speaker 24 (33:23):
The suspect, identified as Paul Ali Slater, broke in with
a crowbar. He still managed to flee after being shot,
driving off the road a short distance away. Donnie Herman
told affiliate WSB his wife and children were unharmed.
Speaker 2 (33:39):
My wife is a hero. She protected her kids.
Speaker 24 (33:43):
She did what she was supposed to do as a responsible, prepared.
Speaker 2 (33:49):
Gun owner.
Speaker 24 (33:51):
We asked to speak to the couple, but now less
than a week after the incident, they're trying to maintain
their privacy. The sheriff tells us, they're dealing with some
unintended consequences. They're now reluctant figures in the national debate
over guns. Just two weeks before, the sheriff says, Donnie
Herban took his wife to a shooting range to teach
(34:12):
her how to handle a gun. You can hear him
talking about it on the nine to one one call.
Speaker 4 (34:18):
Just remember everything that I showed you, everything that I
taught you, right.
Speaker 24 (34:21):
Words of comfort to his frightened wife seconds before she
pulled the trigger. Local authorities say they and the couple
have received calls of support from all over the country.
Speaker 2 (34:32):
No reasonable person can overlook.
Speaker 24 (34:34):
This by looking at what happened in this home, in
this county.
Speaker 2 (34:39):
What does that say about gun rights?
Speaker 8 (34:42):
Well, in this county, it says that the people still
have the right to defend themselves.
Speaker 24 (34:49):
Spring David back in, So, David, what is the status
of this allegend intruder now? Well, the allegend truder is
in the hospital. His condition has now been publicly released
for privacy reasons.
Speaker 2 (35:00):
Okay, that's enough. Wow, that is classic, whether he lives
or dies. How can that be possibly controversial?
Speaker 21 (35:12):
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