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To night. Michael Brown joins me here the former FEMA
director talk.
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Brown USA. So let's get started. But what I want
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to talk about first off is something of importance that
I think has been shoved aside because of the the
assassination of Charlie Kirk. And I will talked some more
about the assassination of Charlie Kirk later in the program,
but before I do, I want to say this. I
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don't intend to spend the entire program talking about it.
If you want to hear my reaction to it and
my reaction to the events of this week, then you should.
You should have already heard it. Number one, if you're
paying attention, you should have already heard it, because you
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And then of course that means you'll start getting the
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you and a good thing for me. So it's a
win win situation. But I spent a lot of time
this week talking about everything that have been going on
in the country, and it was a rough time for
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the country, and I talked about this particular topic that
I'm about to introduce. I've talked about this topic, I
honestly don't remember. I have to go back and find
my notes, which I don't tend to keep. If I
had it in my notes, I would know whether I
did it earlier this week or if this is something
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I did last week. But it's about our natural rights,
our God given rights. The write of free speech. You know,
most of the rights that are embodied in the first
ten Amendments of the Constitution, commonly known as the Bill
of Rights, is really an expression of God given or
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natural law. God given rights natural law, those are the
things that those are the rights that you and I enjoy,
not because the government gives them to us, and not
because the government grants us those rights, but because as
human beings we have those rights. If you happen to
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be a Christian, then you would argue that those are
God given rights because you're made in the image of God,
made man in the image of himself, and so therefore,
like God, we have these natural rights, the right to
express ourselves, the right to have an opinion, and not
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just have that opinion, but to express that opinion. We
have the right to associate with people that we want
to associate with. I have seen on some subreddits and
on some Quora conversations, kind of a funny conversation going
on that as you get older, you're your circle of
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friends get smaller and smaller, And some people younger than me, obviously,
are making the comment that that's a lesson that we
ought to learn from the old farts, and we ought
to get rid of the people in our lives that
are a burden. And I don't mean, like, you know,
get rid of your mom because she's in the hospital.
I mean get rid of those people who are negative
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influences in your life, Those people who are that tend
to be negative, that tend to draw you down, that
tend to put you in a bad mood. Why spend
your time with those people? Get rid of those people.
I think that's fairly sage advice. But that's also a natural,
god given right. If if I choose not to associate
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with you, or I choose to belong to a particular
group or a particular organization, assuming that it's not some
criminal organization, I have its god given right to do so.
I have a right to travel. Right now, we can
go down the rabbit hole of drivers' licenses and public transportation,
and you know, taxes for public roadways. But you have
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a right to go from point A to point B,
to live wherever you want to live, to travel freely
within the confines of the law. But you ever write
if I want to if I want to finish the
program today broadcasting from Denver, and I want to get
in my car and I want to drive to my
disclosed location in New Mexico and spend the rest of
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the weekend down there, I can go do that, and
I don't have to show a passport or any sort
of ID when I travel from Colorado to New Mexico
or vice versa. We have the right to be secure
in our papers, our property, our things without the government
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coming in and just you know, kind of like a
thief in the night, just ransacking your house. The only
way the government can do that is upon a proper warrant.
You have a right to be free from that interference.
You have the right that if you need to defend
yourself from bodily harm from people stealing your property or
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harming yourself or your neighbors or your family, you have
a right to engage in self defense. Now, as society
has gotten more and more complex, we have through judicial decisions,
through statute, through policies, through regulations, we have put some
limitations on those rights, some of which I agree with
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and most of which I disagree with. I think that
free speech and free speech I mean, I have the right.
This is something I talk to my local audience about
incessantly because people so much misunderstand what the Supreme Court
said about You can't shut fire in a crowded feet theater.
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No you can, and in fact, you can falsely shout
fire in a crowded theater. Ever, you have a god
given right to express yourself and you want if you
want to lie, and you want to cause panic, and
you want to create havoc, then yeah, you can do that.
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But guess what, there will be consequences to it. So
while you have the right, there are ramifications of exercising
that right. So if there's not a fire in a theater,
and I stand up on the front row and turn
around yell fire, fire, and everybody panics and screams and
starts running, and they trample over each other and somebody
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is harmed or somebody is killed, then I can be
proximately held liable for those injuries and that death, assuming
that they can prove that in court that I was
the proximate cause of the panic by falsely shouting fire
in the theater, then yes, I can be held liable
for that. But if I want to stand up and
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yell fire in the theater, you know I can do it,
but there are consequences. What the Supreme Court said was
that you can shout falsely that there is fire in
the theater, but there are criminal and civil liabilities for
doing so. So when people say you can't shout fire
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in the theater, yeah you can. You just need to
understand that they're gonna be ramifications. And we've seen some
of that in people expressing themselves about the death of
Charlie Kirk. I before I even tell you this specific topic,
let's take a break because I just want you to
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think for a moment about the concept of free speech.
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Welcome back to the bee Keon with Michael Brown. Glad
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to have you with me. I appreciate you tuning in.
It's oh, this is funny. I was just going to
say the text lines open, of course you always you
can tell me anything and ask me anything. And I
just glanced at the text line and Gouber number zero
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the US Navy Nuclear Energy School Engineering school, and now
it's proudly serving on the uss Alabama. Is US Nuke
School the most academically challenging, challenging school in the world's military.
I don't know that. I would guess probably. So the
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only thing that might be different would be and of
course we'll just this will start a fight, would be
almost any other in engineering school, nuclear energy or maybe
you're studying aerospace engineering that can be very challenging too,
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electrical engineering, any sort of engineering. Of course, none of that. However,
just to make sure everybody understands, whatever engineering school or
whatever type of engineering school you're going to is not
nearly as academically challenging as drum roll please, law school.
So there you go, so before before the break, but
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you're talking about kind of what a rough week it's been,
and it has been a rough week, and this particular
topic I talk briefly, briefly about and in fact, when
I look at the date, the date that the comments
by Senator Caine were made on September third, ten days ago,
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so it was last week before I talked about this
on the local program. But I want to talk about
it again because in light of everything that has happened
this week, I think this is without focusing on Charlie
Kirk and the assassination and all of the hooplaw around that.
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And I don't mean that derogatorily, but we're going to
discuss the hoop law in a minute. What Senator Caine
said I found astonishing because he takes an oath of
office that says that he will uphold the US Constitution.
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In fact, the official oath of the Senate is a
solemn promise by senators to quote support and defend the
Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic.
That I will bear truth, faith, and allegiance to the same.
That I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation
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or purpose of evasion, and that I will well and
faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I'm
about to enter. It's a commitment to uphold the Constitution.
Not a party, not the Republican Party, not the Democrat Party.
It's started by every senator, even if you've taken the
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oath of office you get you're newly elected and you
took the you took the oath of office when the
Senate convened on January second, or third, whatever it was
of this year. It is taken by the Senators at
the start of each new Congress, typically in January of
every odd year, odd numbered year, and this oath of
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office dates back to the eighteen sixties. During the Civil War,
Senator Kane took this particular oath of office. What he
said during a hearing is what's got me upset, he said,
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and this is from September third. He said, the.
Speaker 2 (13:18):
Following the notion that rights don't come from laws and
don't come from the government, but come from the creator.
That's what the Iranian government believes. It's a theocratic regime
that bases its rule on Shiah law and target soonies
behinds Jews, Christians, and other religious minorities. And they do
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it because they believe that they understand what natural rights
are from their creator. So the statement that our rights
do not come from our laws or our governments is
extremely troubling.
Speaker 1 (13:54):
Now what's extremely troubling, Senator, is your complete bastardization of
the concept of natural or God given rights. Yes, the
Iranians live in a theocracy, and the Mollahs, the Iahtola
and the Mollahs, the theocrats that controlled that country. They
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interpret what they believe Allah said, They interpret what they
believe Mohammad said, and that they then impose their beliefs
and their rights upon the Uranian people, and they operate
from a point of a dictatorship where the people don't
have the ultimate power because if they did, the Uranian
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people would have gotten rid of the Mollahs and the
Iahtola a long time ago. So he completely bastardizes and
inverts the whole concept of natural rights. But what's what
else is he doing. He's trying to disparage the notion
that rights don't come from the law or the government
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and that they actually do come from the government. Well,
that's where he goes completely off the rail, and I
think is absolutely despicable for a United States senator. Here
he is li likening this country to a radical theocracy,
which if you're you know, if you're shooting, if you're
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engaged in archery, completely misses the mark. The standard conservative
response to that error is to remind the one in
error in this case, Tim Kin, that if the government
is indeed in the business of bestowing rights upon we
the people, then government can most certainly assume the business
of stripping those rights from the people. That's such an
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easy argument to make. It's a valid argument to make,
but it's so easy to make, and it's become almost trite.
It's true, but it's one of those things that, well,
you know, if they can bestow the rights, then they
can take away the rights, and that becomes the end
of the argument. Well, that's not the end of the
argument with me, because this country was forged in the
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fires of violent revolution over quite frankly, issues far less
severe than the issues that we face in this country today.
The early revolutionaries raised held in Boston Harbor over a
tax on tea, their drink of choice. Today, we never
truly own property thanks to property taxes. Oh, you may
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have paid your mortgage off a long time ago, and
you think you now own your property, your house, but
you really don't because you're still suffering under property taxes.
We suffer under heavy income taxes, taxes that weren't even
conceived of during the time of the Founding and are
now seen as a dumping ground for the rest of
the world's charity cases and problems all come on here
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because American taxpayers will feed you and the house you
and clothe you. And you know. I can just go
on and on and on. But should we honor a government?
Should we honor a government that believes our rights come
from laws written by man rather than laws written simply
to affirm our God given rights. I wouldn't consent to
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the passage of any law violating the concept of natural rights,
and I won't surrender my God given rights no matter
what a politician in a nice suit with a Ferragamo
tie or an officer with a badge says, you actually
honor God by defying tyrants. I'm not sure Americans have
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a stomach to do that anymore. The founders learn from
the failures of their English countrymen exactly what happens when
you lose that ability to honor God by defying tyrants.
It's the weekend with Michael Brown. Hang tight, little moral
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the former FEMA director of talk.
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Show host Michael Brown.
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Brownie, no, Brownie, you're doing a heck of a job
the weekend with Michael Brown. Hey, so we came with
Michael Brown. Glad to have you with me. I appreciate
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it's Saturday and you're probably out doing things. I don't
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whatever you're doing. But the fact that you take out
time on a weekend to listen to Lil O me,
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I really do appreciate that. Back to this whole thing
about natural rights and Senator Tim Kane, the senior Senator, No,
I think he's actually the junior senator from Virginia, of
all places, the home of Thomas Jefferson, had this to say.
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The notion that rights don't come from laws and don't
come from the government, but come from the creator. That's
what the Iranian you are. From my beliefs, it's a
theocratic regime that bases its rule on Shiah law.
Speaker 1 (18:56):
You know the arrogance of this sob who thinks that,
oh you know, bow down and worship me because I'm
a US Senator. Now, I've told you before, I have
a really bad attitude toward politicians, and that is because
having you know, roamed among them in the wild, I
know what they're like, and they something happens when you
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win an election. And I think this is probably true
at all levels of government all the way down. If
you elect the dog catcher in your town, and the
dog catcher gets elected, and now the dog catcher's got
a badge somehow, the dog catcher thinks that he's better
than you, and he got power over you, and he
can subject you to his power. There's something about that
that just drives me crazy. Well, I watch that up
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close and personal in my almost six years in DC
of these politicians and people like Tim kan who was
there when I was there, who just tend to think that, hey,
I got one more vote than the person running against me,
and I get to wear a little lapel pin that
allows me to walk around anywhere I want to. And
in some you know, they have their depending on what
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you know, if they're in the leadership, they might have
a security detail, but they get all of these perks
of office and suddenly they think that you know us,
you know, leaves out here are just their subjects. They
really have that attitude. Now, I respect the fact that
they had the gumption to get out there and run
for office, and Wyn, well, congratulations, but that didn't make
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you any different than me or you or anybody else.
But that's the attitude that someone like Tim Kane has,
and I find it despicable, truly despicable, and it's an
anathema to what this whole country's supposed to stand for.
The founders of this country learned, you have to put
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yourself in their shoes. They learn from the failures of
their English countrymen from centuries leading up to the American Revolution.
They saw how they were subjected to the whims of
King George and all before and after King George, and
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so they created a system of government that for coming
up on two hundred and fifty years a quarter of
a millennia, has stood the test of time. But now
we're trembling. The foundations of this nation are trembling under
an onslaught of weaponized lawfare, crafty manipulation, a focus on
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the letter, not the spirit of laws that were drafted
long ago on an uneducated and ignorant population under a
group of people who for generations has been driven to
believe that, oh, the government's going to take care of me,
or wrongly believing that, oh, I heard Michael Brown say
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that I have an unfettered writer free speech without hearing.
Now you do, but there will be consequences. You can
say whatever you want. But if you work for a company,
or you have a contract, or you're in a position,
you're you're an employee of you know, just a small
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business somewhere, and you say something really stupid and you
say it on social media and it gets amplified or
the boss sees it or whatever. Bosses can decide, don't
I don't want that person working for me, And then
we suffer from laws that are bastard eyed because of interpretation.
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Freedoms and rights are timeless, and they don't change over time,
and they don't change in the face of adversity. That
Senator Kane is why Americans believe or should believe, that
our rights come from God. Man is made in the
image of God, meaning he has an impact, verishable soul
that lives on forever. And because man is made in
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the image of God, man has dignity, and because man
has dignity, being made in the image of God, he
is worthy of those rights that God gives us. And
those rights include life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness
and all the things that go into making human flourishing possible.
Freedom of speech, freedom of assembly, the right to keep
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him bear arms, protections against unlawful search and seizure, due process.
The list just goes on and on and includes things that,
quite frankly, are probably now obsolete, but for anything but
at the end of the eighteenth century, such as the
right to not be forced to quarter troops. Well, that
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may seem outdated, and it may seem obsolete because it's
in the Constitution, but you really do have a god
given right that the government can't just storm into your
house and say, hey, I've got this battalion fat in
the front yard, and uh, because I'm the leader of
the battalion, I'm going to sleep in your master bedroom.
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And by the way, we expect you cook breakfast. We
went breakfast at you know, oh six hundred. No, no,
you see, the purpose of the Constitution is to protect
us from abuses by the government, although listen closely, it
does not necessarily protect men from each other, or guarantee
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that an angry employer who can't take your free speech
won't cut you loose in a manner that you might
seem unfair but not necessarily unlawful. Huge difference between something
maybe not being fair but not being unlawful. This gets
back to I have often said that tyranny is comfortable
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if you don't understand, and if you are a timid soul,
then tyran might. Tyranny might be kind of a comfortable blanket.
You know how it feels if you've ever been somewhere
other than maybe your home, or maybe you've maybe the
heat's gone out in your home some winter night and
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you wake up in the morning and the bedroom is
just freezing cold, but you know your nose is cold
and your ears are cold, and you suddenly realize you've
curled up in that blanket, and you've got that blanket around,
except you've got to keep your nose out because you
got to breathe all that warmth. That's tyranny, and you
don't want to throw that blanket off because that's cold
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and chaotic. Thomas Jefferson once said that I prefer dangerous
freedom over peaceful slavery. I do too, But I'm afraid
that American society has become comfortable in that soft blanket
of tyranny that we currently suffer under, and that we
don't underst stand that freedom is dangerous. Freedom comes with consequences. Interestingly,
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I've heard people say, oh, well, you know, prison is this,
you know, safest places in the world. Well, prison's also tyranny.
You get up at a certain time, you get fed,
you get you know, maybe depending on your crime, you
get a certain amount of time out in the yard
in the general population, or maybe if it's the severity
of your crime, you might spend a little time, you know,
one hour a day in the yard by yourself, you know,
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playing hoops or something by yourself, and then you go
back in and light's out at a certain time. Well,
wouldn't that be you know, oh three square meals a day.
You get to read books all day long. You might
even have a little TV or radio. You know, you
can listen to me. In fact, I know the prisoners
listen to me all the time. Ask them if they
if that isn't tyranny that they're living under. But oh,
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it's safe and comfortable. Isn't it now. I know it's
not safe and comfortable in the sense that you and
I would want to be safe and comfortable. But for
many people on the outside, they look at a prison
and say, oh, that's safe and comfortable. When Kirk named
his organization turning Point USA, I don't think anybody understood
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how his life and his impact might unfold, or how
his earthly life would end. Indeed, this moment may reflect
as many people as say it. I'm not the first
to say it that this may be a turning point
in the American history. As normal, everyday Americans who don't
take part in the debate over our freedoms, but may
vote when the time comes, start to awake to see
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the monsters that the schools, the media, radicalized governments have
created who have no issue schearing the demise of somebody
who died using words to make arguments against people with
whom he disagreed. In the past few days, the forces
of evil gathered on the American left and they have
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you know, circulated all sorts of words that Charlie Kirk said.
And then even in quarters known to me, people that
I know and I've been told have celebrated this death. Now,
they may have not published anything on x or on Facebook,
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or you know, did a little dance on TikTok or
said anything elsewhere, but they've circulated really stupid words. Obviously
hateful words, but stupid words. I think someone like Senator
Kane has just been in office far too long. And
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when you everyone becomes comfortable in a certain lifestyle, and
I think politicians, because incumbency is such a strong factor
in our electoral process that incumbency, like ninety nine percent
of it comes get re elected. So they get very,
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very comfortable, and when they get comfortable, they get stupid.
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We're talking about Senator Kane, Tim Kane of Virginia, who
decided ten days ago to announce that rights really you
know this, this argument that many of the rights contain
in the Constitution is an articulation of our God given
her natural rights. And Senator Kane says, no, no, no, no,
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that's just something that if that's true, then that's like theocrats.
Speaker 2 (29:53):
Or Islamus Ocean that rights don't come from laws and
don't come from the government, but come from the creator.
That's what the Iranian you are from the beliefs. It's
a theocratic regime that bases its rule on Shia law
and target soonies behinds, Jews, Christians and other religious minorities.
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And they do it because they believe that they understand
what natural rights are from their creator. So the statement
that our rights do not come from our laws or
our governments is extremely troubling.
Speaker 1 (30:30):
The fact that you say that is extremely troubling. I
think people like Tim Kine have been in office far
too long and they enjoy all the prestige that comes
with it without any fear of consequence or impactful criticism
that might drive him from his perch upon which they sit.
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There make one hundred and seventy four thousand dollars a year,
plus all the perks in the campaign, money and everything
else they can to live in one of the most
costly housing markets in America, are universally multi millionaires. And
then in his time in office, he and his il
could become cancers to this American experiment. And they've turned
their backs on things that not only a Charlie Kirker
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that you and I might have believed in, but what
callous millions of those whom you're supposed to serve believe in.
I don't respect an elected or appointed official if they
consider themselves superior in judgment or wisdom to God Almighty.
America is special because our system of government is founded
upon the consent of you and me the governed. Whereas
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we were once the subjects of a distant crown across
the ocean, we are now the sons of liberty, and
we are commanded to uphold our rights. The father of
the country, George Washington said in the very first inaugural address,
you need to go read it. The preservation of the
sacred fire of liberty and the destiny of the Republican
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model of government are justly considered, as deeply, perhaps as
finally stated on the experiment entrusted to the hands of
the American people. So, Senator, neither we nor these inalienable
rights shall ever be subject to your illegitimate leadership and
the advocacy for any form of government denying the hand
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of God and clothing his people with dignity. See We're Americans,
and we believe in those natural God given rights we
have holy who ll y or maybe not holy because
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if one thing that I can see from the assassination
of Charlie Kirk this week is the attention that is
now focused on around the world, the influence that in
let me be very specific here, it's not so much
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Charlie Kirk. It is what he represented. The willingness to
go inside the belly of the beast, the college campus
without a college degree, to go on to Oxford and
engage in the Oxford debates, to stand his own ground,
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to freely and openly espouse his beliefs. I'm sure there
was some fear. You can't be in that position without
some fear, but to bravely go forth and do that.
And I think what we see is and I beg
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you to have to take this wrong is what we
should see. Is what I think Charlie Kirk would want
us to see, is a reawaken of just how bad
or evil I don't whichever word you're most comfortable with,
that the Left is trying to impose by fundamentally transforming America.
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And I always use that phrase because when I first
heard a winning presidential candidate utter those words upon winning
the presidency from a balcony like Peronne and Argentina or something,
that we are now about to embark upon the fundamental
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transformation of America. I didn't think those were words to
cheer or to go, oh, what an amazing orator. I thought,
what a despot to fundamentally transform. I would like to
see as fundamentally get back to the principles upon which
the country was founded. I honestly question whether we can
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do that or not. Now, if Charlie and I were
having a debate, he would argue that, yes, we can,
that we can get back to that. And he had
this movement that was trying to do that by re
educating or retraining or at least giving voice to those
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who were fearful of giving voice, a voice that said,
you know, I really believe that, and if you can
stand up and say that, I can stand up and
say that too, and showing that without fear, showing bravery
and courage to stand up and espouse what you believe,
knowing the consequences. Did he expect to die or to
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be assassinated.
Speaker 2 (35:50):
No?
Speaker 1 (35:50):
Did he probably contemplate her to think about it, I'm
sure you cannot be in the public sphere in this
day and age without considering or thinking about that. But
that courage, that ability, I think that's what needs to
carry on. And while we go through a period of
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morning and we go through a period of vault the
wall coverage that some people are beginning to become, stop this.
I understand that. I totally understand that, but instead focus
on the ability to express yourself. But if you do
go out and express yourself, remember there are consequences. I
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want to give you some examples of that, because you
may be a little thinking to your mind. Well, Michael,
if you talk about free speech, then why are people
getting in trouble? Well, that misses a fundamental understanding of
the First Amendment. That's next. I'll be right back