9-17-25 - 6am - The Giving Nature and Reconstruction and the KKK

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hey, Mike or Michael and Dragon. I only got one
thing to add for today.

Speaker 2 (00:04):
I was going to do it first thing this morning,
but I was running out of the house too fast.

Speaker 1 (00:09):
The streaming is getting excruciating with these stupid, god awful
commercials for Global that have literally taken over Cars for
Kids because they play like three or four of them
every single break.

Speaker 3 (00:23):
But I still tune in.

Speaker 2 (00:24):
I just turned my volume down.

Speaker 4 (00:25):
Bye. There's nothing more irritating to me than well, there
are a lot of things more irritating to me, but
this is right up there at the top.

Speaker 1 (00:39):
Hi.

Speaker 3 (00:40):
Hi, that's right.

Speaker 4 (00:42):
There are a lot of things that I can see
that are very irritating to me. Are that Cars for
Kid commercial is right up there with him. Both just
irritating because I because my life is so lived, I'm
the clock. You know. I've got a clock there. I

(01:03):
got this stupid next gen program in front of me.
Tell me every little minute what's going on, and so
I can pretty well gauge sixty seconds. And I have
taken to doing one or two things. When the Cars
for Kids commercial comes on one, I just turn them.
If I'm in the car, I just reach over and

(01:23):
turn the volume down. And generally knowment about sixty seconds
is over. I'm always within probably three or four seconds,
and when I turn it back up, they've either gone
back into the news or into a second another commercial,
or I'm in the very tail end of whatever that
stupid commercial is. But I despise that commercial as much

(01:45):
as you do. And then if you look on like
Charity Navigator or any of the other sites that analyze,
you know how much money they spend on programmatic issues,
you know their programs versus.

Speaker 3 (01:58):
Overhead, et cetera.

Speaker 4 (01:59):
It's not one of the charities you'd really want to
give to. And then there's something else I do, which
is I often, you know, I think dragon. Sometimes it's
just TMI what I do. But I think that's what
makes the connection between the other twelve people that listen
in you and me, I play a game and I

(02:23):
because I still believe that while everybody maintains they can multitask,
I'm not really sure that true multitasking exists. So I
use those commercials as an attempt to you know, when
somebody tells you don't think about the word orange, you know,
don't for sixty seconds, don't think about the word orange.

(02:46):
What I do is for that sixty seconds? Is I
try to If I'm driving, I become very hyper focused
on the driving and the traffic and the laying changes.
I mean hyper focused, or I push my mind somewhere else.
I think about something else, just to see if I
can truly multitask and block that from my thinking. Now,

(03:10):
I know it's still in the background, and I know
subconsciously my brain still hears it. But can I overpower
with other thoughts about other things?

Speaker 3 (03:19):
Is that weird? Stupid?

Speaker 5 (03:20):
Yes, you weren't even paying attention to what she had said,
though she was saying that there's a new commercial globe,
Globist or something that's taken over the annoying Really, Oh yeah,
so that's it's.

Speaker 3 (03:33):
Do you know what it is? I don't know. I
don't know.

Speaker 4 (03:35):
I don't know what it is either the air well
when you said globist, is that.

Speaker 5 (03:40):
I have no idea because that's just what she said.

Speaker 4 (03:42):
Because there's a company just yep, like two floors. Yeah, yeah,
there are roommates. Well, I know, I guess I've not
heard that one. I'll have to figure out what that is.
And uh, but let's let's hope that whatever it is
and pretty soon to start bitching about that one and
quit bitching about cars for kid. The other thing that

(04:06):
I find fascinating about cars for kids is is there
anybody in the universe of the entire of humanity that
doesn't know that commercial and despise it? So it the repetition,
the stupid little tune that goes with it. Those little
kids you just like to slap the crap out of,

(04:26):
you know, when they're fake playing, when they're what what
was it vanilla?

Speaker 3 (04:30):
Who was what was the group that first?

Speaker 5 (04:33):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (04:33):
That first lip sync?

Speaker 4 (04:35):
I think?

Speaker 5 (04:35):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (04:36):
Uh So when they're playing supid little guitars and they're
you know, they're dancing back and forth, don't you want
to just go out and just like kind of knee
cap them.

Speaker 3 (04:44):
I'm kidding, all right, I'm kidding.

Speaker 5 (04:46):
But it's effective. I mean, you know it, and you
know the number. Every single one of us knows the number.

Speaker 4 (04:52):
That's that's what amazes me about it, and yet we
despise it. And the other thing that amazes me I
have not looked at their nine to nineties, so I
don't know. I don't know how much money they bring in.
I have no clue. I just know that they have
a pretty lousy, piss poor rating on Charity Navigator.

Speaker 5 (05:09):
I just know when I actually had a car to
donate because mine, you know, died. Yeah, I gave it
to Willie. Well, of course he's got the cars for Christmas, right,
you know, he takes his own time and his own
money and takes donated cars or buys you know, junk cars,
fixes them up and gives them away cars for Christmas.

Speaker 4 (05:30):
For Yep, I'm worried about Williams. I'm a smelled billion
a couple of days. I mean, my god, it's it's Wednesday.
I haven't gotten high getting out of the elevators.

Speaker 5 (05:39):
So well, there are three elevators, you have a one
in three chance.

Speaker 4 (05:42):
Well you think though that, okay, it's been three days.
I mean you think that the odds are I've got
And besides it's not just the elevator, it's also just
the lobby, you know, depending on.

Speaker 3 (05:52):
How soon that he's right. Yeah, and through there. I
went to I posted something on last night and.

Speaker 4 (06:04):
Then got busy doing a bunch of other stuff and
didn't pay attention to what the reaction to it was.
So I, with a little trepidation, opened up x this
morning to see what the reaction was, and I'm pleased
that the reaction is what I was hoping for. The
post did not get that many views, got a thousand
views or so, which is for me, not that great,

(06:27):
and maybe that's because it's a lengthy post, but I
wrote this.

Speaker 3 (06:34):
I'm amazed at.

Speaker 4 (06:35):
The amount of money that's been donated to Erica Kirk,
the family, and the organization. This is an incredible country
when it comes to giving here and abroad by ordinary citizens.
I've seen that over and over again, and parenthetically, yes
I have seen it. You know, we just memorialized nine
to eleven. I'll never forget the one of some spokes person.

(07:00):
I don't think it was one of my spokespersons, although
they seem to step in it a lot. One of
my or somebody spokesperson in a television interview casually mentioned
how quickly the boots that the rescue workers were wearing
was being absolutely destroyed because of all the rebar, the concrete,

(07:20):
the glass, everything that was in ground zero. That their
boots were being destroyed, and you know we were rapidly,
you know, replenishing them. Well, guess what happened All of
a sudden somebody comes to me and says, we have
not even exaggeration, we have tens of thousands, if not more,

(07:42):
pairs of boots that have been sent and all we
know to do. We've got them warehouse at one of
the warehouses where we were keeping supplies and things. What
do you want us to do with them? And I said, well,
we can't use them because you know that we don't
know what they are. We don't know they meet the

(08:03):
standards for digging in that kind of rubble size issues.
You know, how you okay, you know you got X
number of workers on ground zero and as they come out,
what size the boot do you wear? You know, well,
eleven and a half? Do we even eleven and a half?
I mean, the logistics of it was absolutely impossible to handle.

(08:25):
So we ended up donating the boots. You know, so
the boots get donated to us, and then we donate
them to somebody else, just by one little comment. That's
how giving the country is. And I've seen it in
disaster after disaster, not just in this country.

Speaker 3 (08:40):
But worldwide.

Speaker 4 (08:41):
There are all sorts of organizations I've talked to you about,
you know before that TAMRA does world vision. She know,
she's adopted a child, and she's, you know, does all
of this stuff. We're just in very giving nation. And
I don't know what the current figure is, but it's
probably well over ten million dollars that has now been
donated to several there's not just one, but several go

(09:05):
fund Me accounts to support Charlie's family and to help
support the organization. I went on to write this, this
is just a reminder there are other people without the
platform that Charlie had. I hope you'll find another family
who has suffered what for them is also a devastating loss.

(09:28):
If there is a GoFundMe or other legitimate fundraising effort,
I hope you'll consider helping them too.

Speaker 3 (09:35):
I'm going to look for that tonight.

Speaker 4 (09:36):
Because of the overwhelming generosity shown to Charlie's family and organization,
I believe Charlie would also want us to give as
freely to others in need, as freely as we have
given to his family and to his organization. I didn't
know what the reaction to that would be, and I

(09:57):
tagged Charlie and turning point U. I say, because they
both follow me on X so I know I figured
that somebody's monitoring the so I thought somebody would see it,
and sure enough the number of likes. Nobody complained about it,
nobody bitched about it or anything else. So I just

(10:19):
wanted to mention that this morning because it's always bugged me.
For example, I may be on thin ice here, but
I don't think so. And even if I am, I
really don't give a rat's ask. I'm going to say
it anyway. They've not asked for help. I doubt they

(10:43):
need the help, but they probably need prayers and support.
And that is the mother and father of the dirt
bag that assassinated Charlie Kirk. Have you and the grandfather
Apparently the right full used in that assassination was a

(11:04):
gift from a grandfather to the father who gifted that
gun to his son. And when the gun appeared, there's
something I've not gone and I've not searched this, but
there was something unique about the rifle that caught the
grandfather's attention and the father's attention. The father apparently called

(11:28):
the son to ask where is the gun? And the
son wouldn't answer the phone, So that of course raises suspicions.
Can you imagine, Oh, and the mom finally did make
contact and the mom said, where have you been? And
he said, well, I've been I've been sick and just

(11:49):
at home. Haven't been answering the phone for a couple
of days. You know, mothers have great antennae, and her
antenna's went up, and she knew that there's no She
knew that her son was lying to her. So the
family starts to develop suspicion, and then when the photos
come out, they're like, yeah, that's our son. How agonizing

(12:13):
could it be to think that your son that you
did everything you could I'm assuming they did to raise
this dirt bag correctly, to give him a loving home,
loving family, and he goes off the deep end. How
devastated they must be. Now, I'm sure they don't want

(12:36):
to be interviewed, and I'm sure that the lawyers have
advised them not to do any interviews because the cops
and I'm talking about television or radio interviews, because the
cops and the FBI, I'm sure, are you know with
a fine tooth comb with a life's comb, are going

(12:56):
through all of the electron any exchanges between them, not
because there's any sort of suspects, but because they're trying
to develop the case, and they're trying to make sure
certain that the investigation is as comprehensive as possible, and
they've covered every possible base they can to see if
you know, there's any connections anywhere else, you know, tentacles

(13:19):
that reach out however they might reach out. So the
family is going through that at the same time that
the Sun is going through his preliminary well not a
preliminary hearing, but his initial appearance yesterday, and you know,
they they're hearing about it, you know, constantly on the news.

Speaker 3 (13:36):
Can you imagine being that family. I can't.

Speaker 4 (13:42):
If somebody called today and said that my grandson, colleague
Age Kidd, had done something like that, I'd be devastated.

Speaker 3 (13:52):
I would.

Speaker 4 (13:53):
I would not for I don't know how long, but
I sort of couldn't stay on air. It'd be devastating.
Have you ever thought about the tunnel vision that gets
created by the boobtube because they set the agenda in

(14:15):
the sense that what they decide to carry, what they
decide to cover, the angles, the stories, the people they interview,
everything is what gets spoon fed to us. I don't
know that I've heard anybody other than the stories I've

(14:37):
heard about how the photograph, the mother's phone call. But
and I'm not saying they should, but you know, no
interviews with the family, no commentary about how the family
has to be devastated, no spokesperson for the family. Maybe
there is, I just haven't seen it. I'm just this
is just free form thinking out loud here that yeah,

(15:00):
there's been no spokesperson who has come out, you know,
stood on a front porch somewhere and said the family
is devastated and they love their son, but they absolutely
abhor what he has done. And you know, the yes,
the father, you know, reached out to a friend in
law enforcement and arranged for him to be turned in.

(15:21):
You know, we know he's on suicide watch. We hope
he doesn't harm himself. We you know, we extend our
deepest sympathies to Erica Kirk and the entire Kirk family
and to all the members and the organization of Turning
Point USA. I mean, this family has to be devastated
at the same time that that family is devastated. Think

(15:43):
about a family who has been the subject of a horrific,
brutal murder by an illegal alien. And while sometimes they
may get coverage. Has anybody raised ten million dollars for them?

(16:05):
They probably have a GoFundMe. How much money is in it,
I don't know, because again, as I said, I'd never
got back to go check last night. But they don't
get other than you know, like maybe you Knowlke and
Riley and some of the others who have been high
profile cases. Think about all the people in the South
Side of Chicago who have lost a teenage son or

(16:28):
even a you know, a grade school age child to
a drive by shooting or to a ricochet bullet. I mean,
it's this kind of devastation occurs throughout the country every
single day, and it goes unreported, or it may go

(16:48):
reported in a very short thirty second sixty second package
that the local news does, and then people move on.
In a in a city if we can call Denver city,
in a city the size of Denver or the metropolitan area,
those stories get you know, presented on the local networks

(17:10):
and they're pretty short packages, and we move on. Unless
there's something really horrific about it, it's one and done
and that's pretty much it. If it involves a cop,
you know, it might be you know carried out over
several days, depending on what the internal investigation shows. But
this kind of tragedy happens all the time, and I

(17:31):
don't know why. Just something that hit me yesterday that
I felt obligated to say something online on my platform,
and then I knew I wanted to look this morning
and see what the reaction was, and then I wanted
to say it to all of you. Maybe you already
give to different organizations, but if you have given to

(17:58):
Turning Point USA or to Neither, go fundme for Charlie's family,
and you still have a little bit of coin left over,
maybe you ought to go search for somebody else. And
in addition to that, if you can't afford it, give
it to somebody else too, because there's another family somewhere

(18:18):
else that's probably as devastated that they don't have twenty
four hours, seven day a week coverage of their story.

Speaker 1 (18:35):
Michael Dragon, now I have an earworm one eight seven seven.
Cars for Kids, ka rs Cars for Kids make everybody crazy.

Speaker 3 (18:49):
Shame shame them both of you.

Speaker 5 (18:51):
You're welcome.

Speaker 3 (18:52):
Shame them for leaving that, and then shame on you
for playing that.

Speaker 5 (18:56):
You're welcome.

Speaker 4 (19:01):
What I was doing the minute she started doing it,
as I looked to see what my next spot was
and pulled it up. So I was trying to ignore it,
trying to ignore it. A friend of mine had that
runs a national website, issued a statement yesterday that, along

(19:26):
with several other people, not just him, but several people
did that are accusing left leaning media outlets, politicians, activists
all of demonizing Conservatives and Christians and are accusing this
accusing them of doing this. Both before and after the
assassination of Charlie Kirk, there was a leadership conference hosted

(19:48):
by Senator Jim Banks, a Republican from Indiana, and one
of the speakers at that conference warned that the United
States is facing a latent terror network and was demanding
legal and political consequences for those who have supported or
enabled domestic violence or threats. We've been through a stage

(20:15):
like this before in the country, where not having lived
through it myself, I can't speak from personal knowledge, so
I had to dig through and find out exactly what
did we do when the Ku Klux Klan began to

(20:36):
terrorize not just blacks, but anybody that you know was
supportive of integration, was supportive of black rights. To vote
any number of things. The KKK was just an evil organization. Well,
our government began to suppress the KKK through a series

(20:59):
of federal law known as the Enforcement Acts that were
enacted all the way back in eighteen seventy and eighteen
seventy one.

Speaker 3 (21:08):
That's how far back the clan goes.

Speaker 4 (21:14):
Those Enforcement Acts resulted in something called the ku Klux
Klan Act of eighteen seventy one. That particular act gave
the president extraordinary authority to act against the clan's violent
activities that they were undertaking during the reconstruction period after
the Civil War. Those laws, listened closely, permitted the use

(21:39):
of military force, criminal prosecution in federal courts, even the
suspension of habeas corpus to enforce civil rights protections against
clan violence. Oh, history does repeat itself.

Speaker 5 (21:57):
Now.

Speaker 4 (21:58):
The central legal authority for federal intervention was the ku
Klux Klan Act, also called the Civil Rights Act of
eighteen seventy one and also referred to as the Third
Enforcement Act, that gave the power to the President to
declare certain geographical areas in rebellion and to use federal

(22:19):
troops to restore order and to suspend hapeas corpus if necessary.
That act made it a federal offense to conspire to
deprive citizens of their constitutional rights, in particular those rights
guaranteed on the fourteenth and fifteenth Amendments, such as voting rights,

(22:41):
equal protection under the law. Now, I don't have the
details on this, but there were earlier acts that also
targeted the Klan, like for doing things like their night writing,
voter intimidation, and those law. Earlier laws, which I really

(23:01):
didn't tell that much into, allowed federal intervention in local
elections when the state authorities failed to protect civil rights.

Speaker 3 (23:10):
Does he that sound familiar?

Speaker 4 (23:14):
For example, allowing federal intervention into local elections when state
authorities failed to protect civil rights. Oh, we have the
National Guard in DC, maybe in Memphis eventually trying to

(23:34):
Chicago because local authorities or state authorities have failed to
protect the civil rights of individuals by allowing crime to
run rampant, which clearly violates your civil rights. You can't
exercise your First Amendment right of association. You can't go
walk around the block because you want to see your
neighbor because of fear of crime. Yeah, if you pay

(24:01):
attention to the timeline, you may be thinking this is
Lincoln's suspension of Habeas corpus. No, I'm talking about President
Ulysses S.

Speaker 3 (24:10):
Grant.

Speaker 4 (24:12):
He used those laws aggressively. He sent federal troops suspending
habeas corpus into parts of South Carolina. Then he used
the US attorneys, federal officials to prosecute hundreds of clan
members in federal courts, federal grand juries, US attorneys, they
all led widespread investigations and prosecutions, resulting in effectively dismantling

(24:37):
of the first KKK by the end of the eighteen seventies. Now,
of course, maggots tend to reappear, and so that was
the elimination of the first KKK, and they the maggots
find another, you know, deack creature to feed off of

(25:00):
the maggots lived and rise again.

Speaker 3 (25:04):
Those acts.

Speaker 4 (25:07):
Created what are still existing statutes, one of which I'm
very familiar with because I've litigated this in federal court
forty two USC. Section nineteen eighty three, which to this
day allows citizens to bring lawsuits for civil rights violations
in federal court. I used at one time in federal

(25:29):
court to protect the civil rights of an Oklahoma State
highway patrol trooper whose rights were being violated by the
Oklahoma State Highway Patrol. And by the way, I won
that lawsuit, well, I won a motion for some rejudgment,
which was pretty rare, and then they said, okay, well

(25:52):
give up, what do you want? We settled now. Enforcement
of those reconstructions and acts, the Civil Rights Acts, it
kind of started to wane after Reconstruction ended, but nonetheless
they set critical legal precedents for the federal government's authority
to intervene against domestic terrorism and to protect civil rights.

(26:19):
The use of federal power under those acts demonstrated our
government's willingness and their ability for the first time to
override state in action and go into a state and
directly protect the civil rights of the citizens of that state.

(26:40):
And I would emphasize particularly when you could make a
factual case to the federal courts that the citizens were
facing organize violence and intimidation. And I want to emphasize
that because I'm going to make a segue here in
about thirty seconds, the courts upheld the ability of the

(27:03):
Feds to do that because factually the Feds were able
to show that there was organized violence, organized intimidation. In
other words, there were different entities out there that were
directly and indirectly supporting the activities of the KKK. So

(27:26):
today we hear an awful lot about all of the
NGOs and non government organizations. We hear about some of
the so called charitable organizations, some of the think tank
some of the you know, the George Soros organizations that
are ostensibly and allegedly.

Speaker 3 (27:50):
Engaged in.

Speaker 4 (27:52):
Supporting directly or indirectly some of these leftist organizations that
are attacking. So what are we to make of the
history of this nation in going after groups that support

(28:14):
all of the left wing organizations that are directly or
indirectly inciting violence against this country. Well let's think about
that next morning.

Speaker 2 (28:27):
Michael say akin to what you're talking about, you know,
donating to Charlie Kirk or other charities. I'm afraid when
I see all these groups trying to sell Turning Point
clothing or shirts and hats dedicated to Charlie Kirk, I
want to be sure they're legit. I don't want to
give money to some pirates and Chinese. All organizations is
just trying to take advantage of the situation. So if

(28:50):
you're going to buy something to honor Charlie Kirk, check
the source, or just buy from turning point.

Speaker 4 (28:56):
Yeah, just buy dirucgis from turning point. That's I mean
not to say that everybody that's out there trying to
do it is doing it illegitimately, but the easiest way
to do it is to buy it diructly from turning point.
But you raise a great point, and I'm glad you did.
Before we go to break, let me give you an
example of an individual. And then when we get back

(29:18):
after the break, let's talk about some organizations. When you
dig through all of the list of the January sixth defendants,
there are people like this who were just walking through
the crowds in the Capitol and they were watching other people.
They were just observing. Now they were indeed a member

(29:39):
of the so called new media, but nonetheless they were
still on you know, whether they had a press pass
or not, I don't know, but they're walking through the
crowds and they were watching people getting targeted just for
peacefully praying in.

Speaker 3 (29:53):
The halls of.

Speaker 4 (29:55):
Their own congress. Some of those people ended up being
put on subpoena lists simply for having been around the
capital that day. And then receiving emails about verifying votes correctly.

Speaker 3 (30:13):
So the FBI, US Attorney's.

Speaker 4 (30:15):
Office, the Biden Department of Justice was clearly casting a
wide net. And so now we probably ought to cast
a wider net. And that wider nets probably going to
include some news organizations. It's certainly going to include some NGOs,

(30:38):
it may include some corporations or tech giants. But you
think about how they've been demonizing us for speaking up
for constitutional values, for Christian values, been doing it for
so long now that what happened was probably inevitable, not

(31:00):
necessarily to Charlie Kirk, but inevitable was going to happen
somewhere sometimes. It was just going to keep building and
building and building until you finally got to the point
that somebody, somebody's didn't get killed. Just as you open
borders and you don't that anybody coming in, it is

(31:20):
inevitable that eventually criminals are going to come across that border,
and inevitably they're going to kill somebody and murder somebody,
either by drunk driving or by a true first degree murder.
And we've seen all of that happen. So in the
historical context of how we dealt with the KKK, What

(31:43):
do we do now? Now, I got an idea or two,
which I still grapple with because I'm still of enough
of a small il libertarian. That still bugs me. But
from a lawyer's point of view, I think I can
make it case