9-20-25 The Weekend Hour 3: Climate Catastrophism Has Jumped The Shark

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there too, So go listen to the podcast. There's a
Malcolm Gladwell decades ago, twenty years or more wrote a
book called The Tipping Point, and of course there's the

(02:12):
phrase you know you've crossed the rubicon. The tipping point
was about issues that grow and grow and grow, and
then they reach this tipping point where you can, if
you've studied the issue long enough, you know it's going
to go one direction or another. Crossing the rubicon means

(02:35):
you've gone beyond the point of no return. You can't
go back now. There's also a phrase from Seinfeld about
jumping the shark. I'm not Seinfeld from Happy Days, where
Fonds talks about you know, there's a scene where they
he's on a he's jet skiing or doing something, and

(03:00):
he goes across, jumps off one of those boards and
goes flying through the air, and that led to a phrase,
jump the shark, And that means you've kind of moved
into parody. You've kind of become a parody of yourself.
I think I've been reading a lot of essays this
week about climate change, and you know how I feel

(03:24):
about climate change. I believe that climate does exist. In fact,
I'm putting together a story for the coming week because
we're still a hurricane season. Although we're getting close to
the end of hurricane season, and we've been told that,
oh my gosh, remember hurricanes where they would get more
of them, stronger, more damaging. Yeah, what about this season?

(03:45):
Not so much right right now. That's not to diminished
Helene or any of the others, but I thought we
were on this scale that was just like al Gore's
hockey stick, and we're just gonna have all these hurricanes. Well,
not so much. I'm still working on that. But I'm
gonna go back to these some of these essays that
I've been reading, because it kind of reminds me of

(04:07):
the boy that shouted Wolf just won too many times,
or the Emperor has no clothes that climate change though real.
Turns out there's really not the civilization threatening disaster that
keeps getting pitched at the World Economic Forum or by
the Cabal, or by the congregants in the Church of
the climate activists. In fact, we're beginning to realize that

(04:30):
hugely expensive climate policies really don't do much of anything,
if anything at all. They just they just add one
more notch to the view that the elitists have been
disastrous me wrong. They're politicizing the issue about climate because
it does change all the time. We have all the
records to prove that. And I think it's also doing

(04:55):
something else. I think the boy crying one too many
times is part of the impetus and part of what
we're seeing, which is a global right word political shift.
One of the essays that motivated this came or came
from I guess it still does, come from The New

(05:19):
York Times, a magazine article by David Wallace wells Now.
If you want to look it up, go search climate
on the New York Times website and you'll find the story.
And what you'll find fascinating is you get served up
with the usual gospel coming out of the church of
the climate activists, things like wildfire smoke will kill thousands

(05:41):
more by twenty fifty study finds ever since COVID. When
somebody tells me study finds, in fact, I subscribe to
an email that is the subject line always is study finds,
and it's a list of research articles on just different
topics that this group things might be interesting. Now, every

(06:04):
time I read that subject line, I think study finds, yea,
what kind of bull crap is going to be in here?
Or pollution from fires intensified by rising temperatures is on
track to become one of America's deadliest climate disasters. I
love this one. Can hybrid grapes grapes like from wine Country?

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Can hybrid hybrid grapes solve the climate change dilemma for
wine makers? Or this headline, the Trump administration is dismantling
climate policy. It fatly denies the science, denies the science,
is becoming the old euro racist. Now, Okay, it's become

(06:48):
meaningless actually denying the science when the science has been
so politicized. I actually think it's probably a smart thing
to do, maybe not deny the science, but challenge the science.
We've gotten to the point when you talk about you
talk about censorship, it's not so long ago that if

(07:09):
you questioned the science, you got censored on Twitter or
Facebook or anywhere else. Yeah, I'm talking about COVID, but
you'll also be served up a somewhat thoughtful essay. You know,
when the Church of the climate activists starts to doubt
the Catechism and the Gospel, you know, the game's probably

(07:32):
getting close to being over. Because Wallace Wells does a
pretty good job of reminding us just how the center
of opinion has shifted over the past ten years, and
how weird if you look back ten years ago or
even longer, how weird that really looks to us. Quote
Barack Obama, applauding the agreement as president, declared that Paris

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represented the best chance we have to save the one
planet we've got to many it looked like the promise
of a whole new era, not just for the climate,
but also for our share of political future on this earth.
Back then, the United Nations Secretary General Bonki Moon liked
to talk about how sustainability would be for this century,

(08:17):
what human rights was for the previous one, the basis
for a new moral and political orderah really. At Glasgow,
quote John Kerry called the conference the last best hope
for the world, and Prince Charles now King of Britain

(08:38):
described it as literally the last chance saloon. In his
opening remarks at Glasgow, Boris Johnson, then the British Prime Minister,
a conservative of course, who surfed into office on the
natives tide of Brexit, warned, it's one minute to midnight
on that doomsday clock, and we need to act. Now

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you start studying the science, you start reading all the
essays that are starting to come out, and say, hey,
you know what, we may be wrong. It all seems
so quaint. Now. I still think it's disastrous, don't get
me wrong, but it seems kind of quaint, doesn't it.
In that essay he really documents just how climate became
a political and a moral cause. That's why I refer

(09:24):
to it as the congressates in the Church of the
climate activists. It wasn't a scientific or a technical issue,
and because it became a political cause, that showed the
seeds of its ultimate demise once people started figuring out, hey,
this is just about politics, this is just about control,

(09:44):
he writes, the climate crisis seemed to offer a kind
of redemptive opportunity to the whole technocratic liberal elite whose status,
social status, and moral claim in leadership had crumbled since
the financial crisis. Oh, how true that is. We'll continue
after this. I'll be right back. Hey, welcome back to

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We're talking about these essays that I've been reading, and
again I would encourage you. You can go to the New
York Times and just search for David Wallace Wells hyphenated

(10:34):
last name Wallace Wells. And they're really good essays. And
I think it shows how we really have jumped to
shark when it comes to this, he says, referring to
John Carey at this Glasgow conference that he went to
back when he was the climate czar, if that was

(10:55):
the last best hope for the world, and Charles now
King Charles describing climate change as literally the last chance saloon.
It does seem crazy, doesn't it. And when you think
about how it became a political cause, that's when it

(11:18):
completely dropped its pants. They dropped their drawers of any
pretense of being scientific or technical. It was about politics
and it was about control. And that's when people began
to wake up. Progressives do what progressives do. They pushed
it a little too far and they revealed themselves. The

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always thought the most amazing thing about progressive politics, progressive leftism,
was how they knew not to take that full step,
just take a couple of inches, just kind of scoot
along a little bit. But they can't help themselves, and
then they go too far. And when they go too far,
it pulls the curtain down and or they drop their

(12:04):
pants and we realize, oh, look, the emperor has no clothes,
none whatsoever. And that's why I said the climate crisis,
or I didn't say ballas wells says, the climate crisis
seemed to offer a kind of redempty opportunity to the
whole technocratic liberal elite whose social status and moral claim

(12:27):
on leadership had been crumbling since the financial crisis. And
you think about that, I would say that was the
start of the crumbling. And then COVID was like the earthquake,
and COVID just revealed, Wait a minute, you're ruling an elite.
You're telling us to do stupid stuff like six foot
distancing and that's a made up number. You're telling us

(12:49):
to take a so called vaccine that will stop transmission,
and so we all go line up at hospitals and
we all take the stupid vac so called vaccine, and
turn out turns out that, oh no, it's still spreading.
The efficacy of the vaccine was pretty much zero. And
then you think you combine that with this really hit

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home with me, with the global war on terror, it
is really kind of disintegrated or dissipated, as he says,
into a tragic farce and a new Cold War not
yet crystallized in the public imagination. The American led global
order seemed to be missing some sense of purpose too.
He's so spot on about that we're going through this

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midlife crisis. We know, we want to maintain the American
world order. Trump's doing everything he can to re establish
the American world order and to re establish our respect
and prestige around the world, and he's trying to fix
the economy at the same time, trying to bring manufacturing back.
So all of that suddenly becomes so important, which it

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should be. And Wallace Well's right here came the existential
project of climate action to fill that semi spiritual void,
at least for some of those who felt it. You
understand why I'm so intrigued by this essay. Climate action

(14:17):
to fill that semi spiritual void. It was like a religion.
It still is like a religion to people. You can
debate it, you can show them, you know. I've often
said arguing with arguing with facts is great when you're
with a group of people that believe in facts and

(14:38):
then want to see the data. But when you're arguing
facts about someone who has a religious zelotry about something
like climate, the facts don't mean anything. These illusions of
secular stagnation, stimulus, industrial policy, free government, debt, Well that

(14:58):
I think that helped, but I really think it was
the compilation of all of the things that went before
it where we realized we were being lied to, He writes,
looking around for places to invest, a green transition seemed
like one obvious choice, which is why anyone trying to

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blue sky a brighter economic future for Europe invariably proposed
huge increases in clean energy investment, and why American progressives
conceived their ideal form of climate climate action at the
scale and scope of Franklin Roosevelt's New Deal. Think about
that for a second. What's happening in Europe where they

(15:45):
did blue sky It? Oh, let's just get rid of
all of our nuclear energy, let's get rid of all
of our oil and gas, and let's just go all
green renewables. Prices skyrocket shorty just start to occur and
they start being two faced by well, oh my gosh,
we really do need to start these nukes back up,

(16:06):
and we really do need fossil fuels. So where can
we get some cheap fossil fuels. Oh, we support the
Ukrainians and we want to stop putin. By the way, Vladimir,
can you sell us some oil and gas? Could you
sell that to us? I'm the cheap. They're hypocrites. Europeans
are absolute hypocrites, and we're seeing that. And then there

(16:29):
was this remarkable admission, at least remarkable in my opinion,
because it's the New York Times. When you think about
how the New York Times, the old Gray Lady, has
been nothing but an absolute advocate for this kind of
bull crap, we suddenly realize that, wait a minute, the
Emperor really doesn't have any clothes, That this is just

(16:51):
a bunch of religious zealots who are out there trying
to push a false god to us that somehow it's
going to improve our Livesman, it's just increasing my electric bill,
increasing my natural gas bill, is creating shortages, blackouts, brown outs,
is showing how how absolute we're spending the money on

(17:12):
the wrong things because we're not investing in a solid,
secure grid that can provide all the power that we
need for this electrified future that we're moving into. And
we realize it's a farce, it's a total farce. And
for the Times to admit that, wait till you hear
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this essay in the New York Times. Just Google or
whatever you use for your search engine. Wallace Wells Climate Change.
You'll find this essay this. I think this next paragraph
that he writes is really remarkable, at least for the

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New York Times. He writes, there were also moralistic or
quasi moralistic elements. In the years following Paris the Paris
Accords came more and more talk of climate justice. You
attached the word justice to stuff, I immediately know that
you're a Marxist. He says. This was just one of

(19:22):
many similar reckonings with systemic social inequities in those years,
and a green transition may have looked to world leaders
like a more appealing and forward focused way of expeciating
white guilt van say, portioning out reparations for centuries of
slavery or colonialism. Rapid warming look to some like come

(19:43):
up and for cultural decadence and consumerist excess, with climate
attaining sometimes apocalyptic features of a theological morality play. I
love this guy. I simply love him because he's speaking
my language about it. Truly is a religion, and they
turned it in when they started talking about climate justice.

(20:05):
I always thought to myself, climate affects everyone, and whether
you're rich or poor. I mean, if you're rich, you're
able to mitigate better than say, a poor person can.
But that's true about everything in life. If you're rich,
you don't, to a certain degree, you don't worry about

(20:26):
how you get from point A to point B. If
you're poor, you worry about that. So are we to
have government policies because this is what they advocate, to
impose equity, so that nobody has anything any more or
less worries about how to feed themselves or clothe themselves,

(20:49):
or to move themselves from point A to point B
to transport themselves. I mean that truly is the ultimate goal.
When you tell me it's something about justice or equity,
you're really talking about Marxist socialism and communism. You know that,
And I know that when a technocratic carbon dioxide reduction
merges into the Great Unicause, when the manialis science gets

(21:12):
wrapped around de growth, we can't grow anymore. Socialism, decolonization,
and to the almost comical extreme of Bretaitumberg's flotilla of
climate justice Hamaths supporters, the average voter is going to
figure that out sooner or later. Here's another example of

(21:33):
that still mindset, still existent, but accounting for the political
demise of this project. Wallace Wells then writes this, Several
of the most prominent architects of the whole diplomatic process
that led to Paris published an open letter declaring the
agreements architecture out of date and in need of major reforms. Now,

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if you follow the link in the essay at that point,
I find a fascinating peak into the part of the
world that has not shifted in ten years. The letter
had on that link. If you're looking on the New
York Times, the letter head is Club of Rome. Yeah,
that Club of Rome. Oh uh, you don't know. Go

(22:20):
go look that one up. You remember, I'll give you
a hint. Overpopulation, crop failure, resource exhaustion, soilent green all
just around the corner. Most is uninteresting, but this is
telling number six. Recognize the interdependence between poverty, inequality, and

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planetary instability. I'm sorry, sometimes I feel like I'm in
a Oh, i feel like I'm in a Jimmy Kimmel monologue. Yeah,
it's that stupid, the interdependencies between poverty, inequality, and planetary instability.

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The planet's wobbling because of poverty and inequality. G If
that's true, the planet must have been wobbling since the
beginning of mankind beyond Adam and Eve Wow. New research

(23:28):
from the Earth Commission and from Earth for All affirms
the important linkages between ecological and social change processes. He
points out, if the climate cop is to be more impactful,
it must acknowledge that the current rate of nature loss
we give example freshwater scarcity, land and soil degradation, pollination decline,

(23:50):
ocean pollution. He says, it must acknowledge that the current
rate of nature loss is affecting the stability of the planet. Moreover,
planetary stability now at grave risk. You know, any moment.
Some of you that are Christian may think it's the rapture,

(24:10):
But what's really going to happen is the world's going
to just wabble. The Earth's going to just wabble off
its axis, and gravity will be all screwed up, and
he's just gonna go flying out into inner space, into
outer space. Now, it's not the rapture, it's climate instability
brought about by poverty and inequality. Oh my gosh, this

(24:31):
church is nuttier than the nut jobs. Well, I won't
say that he goes under right. Moreover, planetary stability. He's
quoting the Club of Rome. Moreover, planetary stability now at
grave risk is impossible without decisive action on equality, justice,

(24:54):
and poverty alleviation. This is why we call for a
climate poverty policy Envoy to ensure that these critical links
are anchored in the negotiations and implementation actions, especially through
dedicated spaces for vulnerable communities to advocate for these linkages.
You know what, I interpret that as we need more
money from the federal government, which means more money out

(25:16):
of your pocket as a taxpayer, to go into a
non government organization and NGO so they can go advocate
for climate poverty policies that are going to take more
money out of your pocket so that they can reach equality, justice,
and poverty alleviation. Wait a minute, poverty alleviation. I thought
Johnson's Great Society, thought LBJ back in nineteen sixty five.

(25:38):
I thought the Great Society, the poverty programs of Johnson
were going to live in eate poverty. Wow, we just
need more money, We just need more money. You know,
a huge cost of all this catastrophism has been a
lack of attention to what are w'll be some really

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serious environmental problems. There was an article in I think
it was the Wall Street Journal this week about how
these microplastics are actually getting into our food. Well, I
think that probably is a serious problem. I don't just
slough that off. I don't want plastics in maybe formula.

(26:23):
I don't want plastics in you know, Grobber's baby food.
I'm not saying it is. I'm saying I don't want it.
Hell's bells. If I go have a, you know, a
cheeseburger after the show today, I really don't want microplastics
in the in the hamburger meat, or in the French fries.
So I think those are serious problems. I think that

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water quality in poor countries. I think drought in poor countries.
Drought's always been a problem in poor countries. But I
think water and sanitation, all those things are really serious problems.
That there are legitimate organizations addressing those, and they do
affect the planet, but they don't anything to do with
the climate. The emphasized sentence that was in that this

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is why we call for a climate poverty policy, Envoy.
That sentence is exactly how the cause lost. Anybody that
has any rational or critical thinking in their brains whatsoever, science,
which anyone who disagrees with must be a denier of

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now is trying to tell us that planetary temperature reduction
requires decisive action on equality, justice, and poverty alleviation, and
that alleviation has to come through dedicated spaces for vulnerable
communities to advocate. In other words, more money going into
NGO's impoor communities to advocate for these things. It's just

(27:53):
a vicious cycle that we just keep allowing to occur
over and over and over. In other words, you got
to do it that way. You can't do it through
any sort of mechanism that really has drastic to reduce
global poverty in our lifetimes, which is what what What
has actually reduced global poverty in our lifetime capitalism and

(28:21):
fossil fueled economic development, The discovery of fossil fuels and
the ability to use fossil fuels to transport food goods, products,
to get people from place to place, so they can
provide services, medical equipment, antibiotics, everything you can possibly imagine

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is because of capitalism and a fossil fueled economic development.
And they want to get rid of it. They truly
want to get rid of it. This is insanity, utter insanity.
As one indication of the mindset hr McMaster tells in

(29:02):
his book about being the National Security Advisor during Trump
one point zero that previous advisors all counseled him privately
that the number one security problem in the United States
wasn't China, wasn't Russia, It's not Ukraine, Afghanistan, It's not
nuclear proliferation. It's the climate. That's what all previous So

(29:26):
that means all Obama, probably some Bush, probably some Clinton
national security advisors were telling hr McMaster that the number
one threat to this country was the climate crisis. Think
about that. I'll be right back. Hey, welcome back to

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This guy, Wallace Wells, in this New York Times piece

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finally ends up in a really good place talking about innovation, adaptation, decarbonization,
where it makes sense first and then later when costs decline.
He writes, on the ground decarbonization is nevertheless racing ahead,
which it is in Colorado. We got so many stupid

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projects in Colorado about decarbonization, and I'm sure you do too.
But Christiana Figari's head of the UN's Framework Conventional on
Climate Change, she's one of the architects of the Paris Accords, says,
it's not about climate politics anymore. It's about climate economy.
And this is where I think we understand that we

(31:18):
actually have evidence that the political delusion the religion is
starting to fall apart. The current Prime Minister of Canada,
Mark Carney, when he was a banker, an international banker,
got rid of the carbon tax. Thought it was crazy,

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as did his political opponent, the President of Mexico, who
has been a climate activist. I think partly in reaction
to Trump, but partly also in the realization that if
she would focus on developing their oil and gas resources,
they could become wealthier, more independent, and they could innovate

(32:01):
and grow their economy. I think what's happening in Germany,
what's happening with Macrone in France. I even think what's
happening with Keir Starmer, the stupid liberal Prime Minister of
the United Kingdom. I think they're all beginning to realize, oh,
oil and gas capitalism really is the way forward. And

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I think part of the reason that they're seeing that
is they're seeing what's happening in this country. Now. Are
we out of the woods yet? No, not by a
long shot. But at least we're back on the right track.
We continue to get the warnings about all these grave
things are going to happen. But I think Wallace Wells

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recognizes that we got the pandemic, which he points out,
and that undermined the spirit of global solidarity that laid
underneath the broader project of let's shut the world down,
let's shut the economy down, let's control everybody, and then

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the climate activists who were once venerated as moral authorities
by heads of state, as he writes, now they're being
given jail sentences for the crime and merely planning protests
that blocked commuter traffic, or for throwing pain against plexiglass
that they knew would protect the artwork that was hung
behind it. A victimless publicity stund if there ever was one,

(33:31):
he writes, But I think that kind of misses the
point too. The pandemic taught us that there might be
other more pressing existential threats than a degree of heat
in one hundred years, which is what we're all scared of,
one hundred degree of heat and one hundred years. Seriously,
the pandemic really taught us that another branch of scientific

(33:52):
consensus was incompetent and have been politicized. No science recommended
masking two year olds outside. No science said you shouldn't
go to the beach in California. No science said you
should stay indoors. No science said you should stay six
feet apart. And then that pandemic collision with the George

(34:14):
Floyd and all the riots the Black Lives Matter imposed
upon us, and I think the unicors started moving on
to a several year obsession with race, decolonization, diversity, gender,
and they just they went full Boary. In other words,
they jumped in with both feet the pandemic, George Floyd.
They thought this is the time to go full boar,

(34:35):
and they did and we saw it. And I think
the pandemic, all the inflation that came along with that,
the wars in Ukraine, the wars in Gaza, have all
broken everything open. And then there was Trump, and I

(34:55):
think Trump wrapped the curtains off completely. Now, we may
not agree with everything he's doing, but I think one
thing that we can all agree upon he really did
in terms of pulling the curtains away and exposing the
great oz which the climate activists, the crazy scientist trying

(35:17):
to tell us, otherwise, showing us what's really going on
in Europe or the Middle East, I think he's exposed
all of that. And as he points out and later
in the essay, the political delusions fell apart. Why should
Europe California, Colorado? Why should we reduce our economic prosperity,

(35:40):
double our electric and gas prices? Why should we tax
ourselves to subsidize on economical vehicles or houses? When those
efforts they're not going to do anything. I still laugh.
I don't care whether you own an evy or not,
but I still laugh when I see the commercials on

(36:01):
television for all these You know, BMW keeps pushing EV's
and I keep getting emails about buying a BMWEV. It's
not gonna happen, and don't tell me it's a missions
free or all the school buses that catch fire, and
so school districts have to get rid of their ev
school buses. The truths come out, and I think we've

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kind of gone beyond the rubicon, jumped the shark, reached
the tipping point about climate science. Now. It doesn't mean
it's done, No, the battle's still there, but I think
we're on the right path now. Thanks for joining the
Weekend with Michael Brown. Everybody, have a great weekend. I'll
see you next weekend.