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Speaker 1 (00:00):
All right, Michael, welcome back from the holy land of Missoula, Montana.
Congratulations to your grandson, and I fully expect to hear
a Go Grizz that'll view this morning because we're gonna
go beat the podcasts next week and go on to
the national championship in Nashville, Tennessee.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
Oh, go Griz, Okay, go Griz.
Speaker 3 (00:23):
Good good. You know they they've obviously it's been a
while since I've been to Missoula, and they've remodeled the airport,
dragging them now four gates. We've got four gates in
Missoula in total total. Wow, No, I take that back.
There are four used gates. I think there are. There's
a like it's like an L shaped terminal, and I
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think on the other end there are there may be
four gates over there, but I don't think. I don't
know that they're used. They might be, but coming in
or out, only the four gates on one end were
being used.
Speaker 4 (00:55):
So they're moving it up. Sooner or later they'll get
a stoplight.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
The one thing it was the plane was two hours
late leaving, so we get in really late, which means.
Speaker 4 (01:07):
You're sitting on the plane on the tarmac here for
two hours.
Speaker 3 (01:11):
No, for about an hour they started announcing we we
sat in the gate area for a while. Then they
started announcing that we're delayed, but they kept lying to us.
United just tell us the truth, because those of us
who fly frequently enough know what's really going on. And
if even your app will show us where's my plane
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coming from, so I can see that the plane that
is not where it's supposed to be. Has it left
Detroit or Chicago where it's leaving, it left yet, and
so I.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
Know it's still in the air.
Speaker 3 (01:43):
And then I know that you're going to because this
is the last flight to Missoula. I know that you're
going to hold that flight to try to get as
many people that are missing would miss a connection, so
you don't have to pay for a hotel room or
anything else. So you're gonna leave us sitting there, so
you put us on the plane. Then you tell us, well,
you know we're gonna with the coffee pots. I mean literally,
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at one point, there's a problem with the coffee pot.
That's beautiful, and I'm like, no, no, no, no, no, no no,
just bring me some more wine or something. But I
know that's not the truth. But then we get to Missoula,
and the great thing is it is I mean, I
took a heavy coat, right because it's Montana, right, and
it's December. And I did check the weather, but I
didn't believe it. I get there and it's not snowing,
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thank goodness.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
It was pouring rain. Huh.
Speaker 3 (02:28):
I mean rain, just I mean like a rain storm.
So I go to the I don't know why I
used Avus this time. I usually use Hurts, but I
used AVOs. They were cheaper or something. And I go
up the line and she tries to get me to
take a a Prius or something, and I'm like, I
don't I don't think so, I don't know, give me
something else. She goes, well, I've got you know, I
got some toyota. That's fine, give me toyota. It's an
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e one. I say, okay, where is it? She was
right at that door, just right to your right. I think,
oh good, it's close because it's raining.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
No no, no, no, no, you have ab.
Speaker 3 (03:01):
And then he is out there there, out there, and
then of course I can't get the trunk to open.
It's just like and of course I have my favorite traveler.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
With me, who you know, is like, why are we doing? Why?
Speaker 3 (03:17):
I thought you were some muckety munk traveler. Why don't
you why why don't you have him bring the car
to us?
Speaker 4 (03:21):
You know kind of stuff. Don't you just say? Don't
you know who I am?
Speaker 2 (03:24):
Well, exactly exactly.
Speaker 3 (03:25):
So Anyway, the grandson got graduated. I had a great
time talking to my son's professor, who is still there.
I never realized he was Ukrainian. His parents escaped Ukraine
after World War Two. We're going to go to Germany
and then try to They escaped to Germany and then
we're going to try to move to Portugal. But they
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found a sponsor and ended up in Ohio, uh on
a farm. But anyway, it was a great conversation. And
he's now graduated, and he's probably going to go to
see you. I don't know, he'll go somewhere. I want
to cleanse the palette just a little bit, because I'm
certain that I don't think I heard a little bit
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of it when I got into the studio that I
know that Gina and Ross talked a lot about what
went on in Australia, and I want to delve into that.
Speaker 2 (04:19):
In a minute.
Speaker 3 (04:20):
But we'll do that maybe either probably next hour, but
instead will cleanse the palette by doing something that is
not really cleansing, but it's something that I came to
my attention yesterday afternoon late Douglas County.
Speaker 2 (04:36):
Now full disclosure.
Speaker 3 (04:40):
When George Brockler, who is the current district attorney for
what is that the eighteenth judicial I forget what number
it is now they moved from around I think it's
still eighteen, but he is the district.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
Attorney for.
Speaker 3 (04:56):
Douglas County and are surrounding areas too think And I
remember because I was I was in Castle Rock having
lunch with a friend the other day and I ran
into George and said, I, but I you know, we
didn't have any conversation about anything going on politically.
Speaker 2 (05:12):
I then heard.
Speaker 3 (05:15):
On the news before I left that the Douglas County Commissioners,
which cannot can let me just my full disclosure is
I know George Bruckler, and I consider George to be
a friend. But I'm going to eviscerate George during the segment,
and I no, I'm not giving them heads up, but
I have a real bugaboo about the Douglas County Colorado Commissioners.
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There are a bunch of yahoos. They're a bunch of idiots.
They are engaged in a lot of self dealing, in
my opinion, and I think that they are just They
represent everything wrong about the Republican Party. Every single thing
wrong about the Republican Party. You will find in the
three commissioners represent the county where I live.
Speaker 2 (06:02):
They have now.
Speaker 3 (06:03):
Adopted a retail theft ordinance because and I saw George
on television a couple of days ago talking about, you know,
shoplifting is not going to be tolerated in Douglas County.
Speaker 2 (06:15):
Now that was good.
Speaker 3 (06:16):
Iuse George is a law and order guy, and I
would expect George to prosecute shoplifters right, No more just
walking out of Kings Coopers or home Depot or Target
or anywhere else with a big basketful of stuff and
get away with it. So I'm all behind that. But
that's not what they're doing here. Oh my god, its
so stupid. They've adopted a retail theft ordinance that requires
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any business in unincorporated areas to report shoplifting to law
enforcement within ninety six hours or face escalating civil fines.
But They also mandate preservation of evidence, and they prohibit
corporate policies that discourage or punish such reporting. Now this
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is being driven by Republican controlled county commissioners, the sheriff
who's also Republican, and the DA George who is also
a Republican. Now they frame it as a crackdown on
retail theft, but in practice it shifts the compliance costs
and the legal exposure onto the crime victims themselves instead
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of focusing on the people who actually do the shoplifting.
Now we're going to push unfunded mandates onto small businesses
and big businesses. This is so anti Republican, This is
so anti liberty. This is so anti freedom that am
I shocked to know because the dumbmastery that goes on
in Colorado now is bleeding over injured Republicans too. Now,
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under the orders, any business in unincorporated Douglas County that
has quote reasonable grounds that's the language, reasonable ground to
believe that a theft has occurred on its property is
required by law to report that incidental law enforcement within
ninety six hours of becoming aware of it. Of course,
my lawyer brain right now says, huh, I just wasn't
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aware of it. I mean and truthfully think about this.
So let's say that you own a home depot in
unincorporated Douglas County. Somebody comes in and steals a hammer,
and not until you do inventory, say two weeks later
or a month later, do you realize, oh, we got
a hammer we can't account for. Well, now you're outside
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the required ninety six hours, except you're now required a
month later, within ninety six hours of having done your inventory,
to now report that. Now that duty, that duty that's
now on the business owner applies to thefts of any value.
So let's forget the hammer. You still a screw out
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a home depot, meaning they're is no minimum dollar threshold.
Petty shoplifting and high dollar organized retail crime are treated
exactly the same for these reporting purposes. Now, if a
business does not report within the ninety six hour window,
there is instantly a civil penalty of fifty dollars for
every additional twenty four hours that passes, capped at a
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maximum fine of one thousand dollars per incident. The sheriff
is responsible for enforcement. But I would ask the sheriff
right now, how are you going to enforce this. It's
an unenforceable law that comes with unfunded mandates. The sheriff
responsible for enforcement and violations can be prosecuted by either
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the DA or the county attorney, and giving the county
multiple avenues to pursue penalties against businesses that fail to
comply with this dumbass ordinance. Now, the ordinance also requires
now think about this, these our business requirements. We're not
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focused on the shoplifter. We're putting requirements on the business.
It requires the business to preserve and provide any photo
or video evidence related to reported theft, effectively conscripting in
store surveillance systems into this kind of quasi regulatory function.
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And corporations cannot adopt policies that prevent employees from reporting
theft or that retaliate against an employee who cooperates with
law enforcement. County officials say they're objective is to force
large chains to change internal policies that they view as
soft on shoplifting. So now we have shifted law enforcement
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from law enforcement to the businesses. How's that liberty orient
How's that freedom? Or in if I choose, if I
run a business and I see somebody that that steals something,
and it's a hammer.
Speaker 2 (11:07):
The I run the.
Speaker 3 (11:08):
Home depots somewhere in incorporated Douglas County, and I see,
I see someone steal a hammer, and I don't want,
you know, And maybe they're maybe it looks like they're packing,
Maybe it looks like they're concealed caring. Maybe it looks
like they're, you know, part of an organized cartel gang
or something. And I choose, you know what, that's the
cost of doing business. So I'm gonna let the hammer go. No,
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now you're in trouble. Now you're in trouble. But tell
me how is that going to be enforced? The county
leaders insist, Oh, the goal is not to punish businesses.
But the structure of the ordnance places new legal obligations,
compliance risks, and the operational costs to carry out this
ordinance squarely on retailers and doesn't provide any funding, any staff,
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or any liability protection. Now, I want to list several
specific features that function as penalties and unfunded mandates on
the crime victims, because who's the victim here. It's not
the shoplifter. It's the business that has been shoplifted. So
let me think I've got one, two, three, four, five.
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I've got five different items here, let's walk through them. First,
there's mandatory reporting for every theft, regardless of value. Now
think about that. Because the ordnance reaches theft of any value,
that means that small businesses that previously would absorb a
very low dollar loss to avoid the hassle must now
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interact with law enforcement and the county court systems and
law enforcement systems for even trivial incidents, or they're going
to risk a fine that turns every minor shoplifting event
into a regulatory compliance task that is excuse me, that
is imposed on the business who, in this case is
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the victim. So we're punishing their victim who's making their
own business decision that it's not worth it. Well, now
they've made it worth it because if you don't, now
you face fines. These dumb ass commissioners I truly despise them.
They're not business oriented. Oh all in the name of
law enforcement. Look, yes, George, I get that you want
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to enforce shoplifting laws, but you don't do that by
requiring businesses to become your enforcement arm. Second, there's a
time bound reporting that comes with automatic fines that this
ninety six hour deadline followed by a meter fine of
fifty dollars per twenty four hours up to one thousand
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dollars means that if you just make a mistake in
internal communication, or you've got a staffing shortage, or you've
got confusion about what constitutes so called reasonable grounds, that
can directly cost a victimized business owner really hard dollars.
And at a time when many businesses are operating on
incredibly thin margins, do you really want to face one
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thousand dollars fine?
Speaker 2 (14:07):
Do you really?
Speaker 3 (14:07):
And by the way, I still get by, and I
still want to focus on you've taken a choice away
from the business owner, and I want to ask the
question again, pay sheriff, how are you going to enforce this?
Are you going to start doing inspections, you start asking
for inventories?
Speaker 2 (14:23):
What are you going to do? Oh my gosh, this
is so stupid.
Speaker 3 (14:26):
There is no single parallel provision that obligates the county.
In other words, you, as a business owner, you must
respond within that in ninety six hours. But there's no
parallel provision in this ordinance that obligates the county to
respond within us set time. So the only party that
is financially punished for a delay is the business once
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you report it? Oh, the Douglas County Sheriff's office can
just take their time. They can just or they can
you know, some deputy sheriff's busy. He's busy doing a
bunch of other stuff. So I'll just put this in
the bottom of my pile. And now you have no
time limit. In fact, you might even let the statute
limitations expire. These are republicans. Tell me how these are republicans.
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Here's the third point. I would make evidence preservation and
production burdens. So these businesses have to not only report,
but also preserve and share video or any photographic evidence,
which is going to require personnel, time, storage capacity, and
probably they're going to have to upgrade their systems and
get vendor support in order to be able to do that.
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The ordinance provides zero funding. There are no tax credits
or anything to cover those costs. So what they've done
is they have effectively conscripted private businesses, private infrastructure as
an investigative arm at the an investigative arm of the state,
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at the business's expense. So the victim here, the businesses
that got shoplifted we've shifted those costs onto them. So
now they have the cost of the shoplifting, and now
they have the cost of complying with this ordinance. Republicans,
what a freaking joke, Michael.
Speaker 5 (16:24):
It's cool that you're in Missoula, but I have a
correction to make, the correction of the previous talk.
Speaker 2 (16:31):
Baker, the Bobcats are going to whoop up on the Grizzlies.
Speaker 3 (16:35):
Yeah, Billcat, fight fight fight, fight, fight, fight, Right, let's
get the goobers fighting among themselves on two out of
state teams there are a thousand miles away.
Speaker 4 (16:49):
Michael, I'm I'm sorry, but I'm not sorry. You're You're confused,
aren't you. Well, I was trying not to pay attention,
right because it's you. Why would I right? But I
thought I overheard.
Speaker 2 (17:02):
Yes, you missed.
Speaker 4 (17:03):
This sounds absolutely crazy, so I must I must be wrong.
Speaker 2 (17:07):
Yes, I'm sure you are, but try anyway.
Speaker 4 (17:13):
So a business gets something stolen from them, yes, now,
if they don't report it to the police within ninety
six hours of knowing about it, the business is the
one that gets fine.
Speaker 2 (17:31):
Yes, you got it, you got it.
Speaker 4 (17:32):
This can't no no.
Speaker 3 (17:35):
And these are Republicans that did this a Republican county commission,
three Republican county commissioners, a Republican sheriff, and a Republican.
Speaker 2 (17:42):
District get thirty.
Speaker 4 (17:42):
So that was the first thing that I really thought
that I must have missedeard because I was trying not
to pay.
Speaker 2 (17:47):
Attention to you. But I understand, I understand.
Speaker 4 (17:49):
But then the second thing, and I'm not sure if
you quite got to it here, because again I'm not
paying attention. How on earth do they plan on enforcing this?
So they're gonna go your officers are going to go
door to door going, excuse me, well, business, did you
get stolen from this week?
Speaker 3 (18:03):
Well I haven't gotten to that yet, but we have
a goober out there that's already answered that question for us,
so goober number. In fact, I'm not going to give
out his goober number because he says as a LEO
law enforcement officer in Douglas County, so I don't know
whether he's like a cop or a ship deputy sheriff.
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So I'm not going to give out his number just
to protect the innocent. But he writes in Douglas County, Well,
he heard about this in a briefing last week. My
response was, STFU, Now.
Speaker 4 (18:37):
Is that shut the.
Speaker 2 (18:41):
Up?
Speaker 3 (18:41):
Oh that's what that means.
Speaker 2 (18:44):
That's what I meant, sitting trying to figure.
Speaker 4 (18:48):
Like, oh that's pretty good.
Speaker 2 (18:50):
Yeah yeah, but so shut the f up, SDFU.
Speaker 3 (18:56):
My response was, and I can just see a cop
saying there briefed on this going. My response was, STF you,
how are we the radiator pusher is going to enforce this?
And how is this constitutional? Well, that's what I'd like
to know too. How are you going to enforce it?
Speaker 4 (19:13):
You don't have enough officers to actually take care of
the crime, but you're going to spend time, possibly sending
them door to door of every business in the county
and go, hey, were you burgled sometime this month? Did
somebody thievery from you?
Speaker 2 (19:26):
Or this one?
Speaker 5 (19:27):
What? Uh?
Speaker 3 (19:28):
Thirty guber number thirty five fourteen, Mike. I've been in
retail loss prevention for forty years. Retailers don't call the
popo because the popo don't show up.
Speaker 2 (19:40):
But now the popo are going to show up. And
I'm mister business owner DoD j Any thefts this week?
Speaker 3 (19:49):
M Well, we think you did because somebody, you know,
some citizen reported it and you didn't tell us about it,
and there's been ninety.
Speaker 4 (19:59):
Six and here's you're fine, and here's your fine.
Speaker 2 (20:04):
Oh so I went.
Speaker 3 (20:06):
Here's where I'm trying to describe you how this penalizes
the businesses and it acts as an unfunded mandate. So
I've given you three of them mandatory reporting for every
theft regard us the value. By the way, somebody of
the text line said, what about the five year old
kid that you know steals candy and mom and dad
used to make them go back and apologize to the
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manager and return the candy.
Speaker 2 (20:29):
Oh no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, nowhere gon,
We're going to go after that.
Speaker 4 (20:33):
As a subway franchise that we had as a family,
we would give out water cups for the soda fountains
and the.
Speaker 2 (20:39):
People would people you fill it with diet.
Speaker 4 (20:41):
Odd has happened?
Speaker 2 (20:44):
Huh yeah, shocked.
Speaker 3 (20:46):
You see, it's way you know I've been I've been
celebrating my grandson's graduation, and you know, I got back
and it was kind of nice yesterday, took the dogs
in a nice walk, and now I come in and
days just kind of ruined.
Speaker 2 (20:58):
It's just kind of ruined already weird.
Speaker 4 (21:00):
For that water cup thing. We were a couple of
blocks away from high school. It was most often minors.
Speaker 2 (21:07):
Weird, weird, so very weird.
Speaker 3 (21:10):
Yeah, okay, yeah, well your mom would have been five
every week, every single week.
Speaker 4 (21:17):
So you also, is it is it a fine per
incident or is it.
Speaker 3 (21:20):
Just no, it's an esclating fine. So yes, it would
be per incident.
Speaker 4 (21:23):
So yeah, if we had three kids come in and
steal soda for that week, then it would be one
thousand dollars.
Speaker 3 (21:29):
He could be up to one thousand dollars for each
one if you don't do it within ninety six hours
of learning about it.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
Yeah, there you go. That sounds great.
Speaker 3 (21:36):
Yeah, so for that, for that dollars seventy nine drink,
you're gonna end up paying.
Speaker 2 (21:41):
One thousand dollars fine.
Speaker 3 (21:42):
So you got mandatory reporting for every single theft, regardless
of the value. You're time bound. You have time bound
reporting with automatic fines automatic fines. Then you have the
requirement of evidence preservation and produce seeing the evidence you got.
That burden now shifted over to the business. And then
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you have these last two policy and human resources constraints
are now imposed by the county. On these small businesses
or big businesses because by banning corporate policies that discourage
reporting or that may be read as retaliation. You know,
when managers exercise their discretion, the county is inserting itself
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into the internal risk management and the HR policies without
offering any legal indemnification. So you decide that you just
don't want to you you don't want to report thefts,
and you don't want you We've heard the stories where
somebody got fired because somebody was stealing something and so
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they chased down the perp and then they got fired
for trying to do that. And I've always thought, I've
always thought that, hey, I understand the rational for that policy,
although I don't like people getting fired for simply trying
to protect your business for you. But now there's no
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legal indemnification. In other words, the company's going to be
held responsible for any wrongful termination or anything else based
on this stupid ordinance. Then you've got this one sided
implementation of an old state law. County officials explicitly invoked
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a nineteen seventy nine state statue that requires individuals and
corporations who reasonably believe a crime has occurred, to promptly
report it. Okay, but they are only attaching new localized
penalties to the private side of that obligation. The county
does not impose any parallel, specific penalty structures on itself
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for failure to investigate or failure to prosecute theft. So
you've now made the implementation a symmetric impunitive toward the
victim the business, rather than the offenders. So in effect,
the ordinance uses the threat of county fines to force businesses,
many of them already operating on thin margins as I
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said earlier, to now spend more money in labor on
compliance paperwork and evidence handling with no county reimbursement. And
there's no guarantee, no guarantee that this reporting will actually
reduce crime. I think it will have zero effect on
crime whatsoever. I think all we'll do is impose an
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unfunded mandate by a bunch of Republicans. Oooh idiots in
Douglas County. You know, a county commission that campaigns on
limited government, property rights and liberty has now decided that, oh,
you know what, the best way to fight crime is
to regulate victims instead of the perpetrators. In Douglas County's
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new ordinance, shoplifters don't face any new statutory burdens at all.
The people who do, all the retailers whose property is
being stolen, who now face the fines from their own
supposedly pro business county government, if they failed to navigate
this four day reporting clock and evidence handling regime just perfectly.
Speaker 2 (25:21):
This is the essence of the nanny state.
Speaker 5 (25:24):
Good morning, Michael and Dragon. I just happened to tune
in mid tirade. This ordinance sounds ridiculous. Just did a
little reading about it. You know, would it have ever
gotten to this point if your community would not have
stopped prosecuting petty crime?
Speaker 4 (25:44):
I doubt it.
Speaker 5 (25:45):
So now instead of prosecuting petty criminals, we're going to
find business owners.
Speaker 3 (25:51):
Makes sense, Yeah, I thinking when you consider that's say,
so called conservative county commissioners and a conservative attorney. Come on, George,
I'm so disappointed George Brockler in terms of Teal and
van Winkel and the others, I just thought, I don't
give a hoot about him. I think they're a bunch
of losers anyway. Goodber twelve thirty one. Michael Dugnas County.
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Businesses just need to bury law enforcement with shoplifting claims.
Walmart alone could swamp them with every found empty package
and snitched grape.
Speaker 2 (26:26):
Yes, do that, We do that.
Speaker 3 (26:28):
Now they're trying to defend this same we're just implementing
a nineteen seventy nine state reporting law as if that
makes everything magically concerned the and constitutional. But adding a
localized fine structure compliance obligation HR policy dictates on top
of an old, dusty statue. That's not neutral implementation. That
is a regulatory expansion, that is anti business, and it's
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Republicans not being liberty friendly simply because they talk tough
on crime at press conferences. It reveals a deeper problem,
a reflex to grab more power over private conduct whenever
headlines demand that, oh, something be done, even when that's
something means what you're doing is you're punishing the innocent
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for the actions.
Speaker 2 (27:16):
Of the guilty, which is exactly what they're doing here.
Speaker 3 (27:19):
What makes this particularly galling, in my opinion, is that
comes from a Republican controlled county commission that tries to
market themselves as a bulwark against Denver style overreach and
Colorado state level regulatory access.
Speaker 2 (27:34):
Yet what are they doing here.
Speaker 3 (27:35):
They're creating a new class of regulatory offense that's a
not of the criminals, but if the companies that fail
to call the government fast enough after being robbed or
stolen from while dressing it up in the rhetoric of
it's a partnership, you can take your partnership and.
Speaker 2 (27:52):
Shove it somewhere.
Speaker 3 (27:52):
As far as I'm concerned, a partnership and community safety
does not mean trading the tyranny of the shoplifter for
the soft tyranny of the compliance officer at you know,
the county sheriff's office. It means a government that's focused
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on punishing those who break the law, not those whose
only crime is being tired of the law breaking. Oh
and to claim them to themselves to be you know,
Douglas County is there's just enough seepage I think between
the dumb astery that goes on in the surrounding counties
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in Denver or rapa Hoe even down even down in
al Paso County, it's just it's seeping into Douglas County.
It absolutely boggles my mind that they're doing this. And
while yes, I consider George Brouckler to be a friend.
This is way over stepping his bounds, way overstepping the bounds.
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This is a nanty state in Republican clothing, and you're
just shifting the burden from law enforcement. You know, if
a business somebody raised the question, are there any crimes
that require reporting? Well, we know of many women that
don't report rapes. I suppose if you got mugged somewhere,
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you know, walking down Broadway, or for that matter, walking
down Castle you know, Main Street and Castle Rock, and
you get mugged, and you just don't want to deal
with the hassle because all they really did is they
just tried to get your purse, but they didn't, you know,
maybe they knocked you to the ground. No requirement to
report that. But now somebody walks into a business and
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business in unincorporated Douglas County and to your point, they
steal a little cart and the juice or something.
Speaker 2 (29:47):
Oh, you don't report that. You could face a line
up to a thousand bucks.
Speaker 3 (29:51):
You may think that just because somebody wears the Republican
moniker after their name, that they're liberty focused. If they're
eat them focused, they are not. And Douglas County represents
the very worst of government overreach, and that's really saying
something considering that where I'm sitting right now broadcasting is
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in the middle of one of the most communist counties
in the entire country. City and County of Denver, Colorado,
Douglas County do better shut up and sit down.
All right, Michael, welcome back from the holy land of Missoula, Montana.
Congratulations to your grandson, and I fully expect to hear
a Go Grizz that'll view this morning because we're gonna
go beat the podcasts next week and go on to
the national championship in Nashville, Tennessee.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
Oh, go Griz, Okay, go Griz.
Speaker 3 (00:23):
Good good. You know they they've obviously it's been a
while since I've been to Missoula, and they've remodeled the airport,
dragging them now four gates. We've got four gates in
Missoula in total total. Wow, No, I take that back.
There are four used gates. I think there are. There's
a like it's like an L shaped terminal, and I
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think on the other end there are there may be
four gates over there, but I don't think. I don't
know that they're used. They might be, but coming in
or out, only the four gates on one end were
being used.
Speaker 4 (00:55):
So they're moving it up. Sooner or later they'll get
a stoplight.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
The one thing it was the plane was two hours
late leaving, so we get in really late, which means.
Speaker 4 (01:07):
You're sitting on the plane on the tarmac here for
two hours.
Speaker 3 (01:11):
No, for about an hour they started announcing we we
sat in the gate area for a while. Then they
started announcing that we're delayed, but they kept lying to us.
United just tell us the truth, because those of us
who fly frequently enough know what's really going on. And
if even your app will show us where's my plane
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coming from, so I can see that the plane that
is not where it's supposed to be. Has it left
Detroit or Chicago where it's leaving, it left yet, and
so I.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
Know it's still in the air.
Speaker 3 (01:43):
And then I know that you're going to because this
is the last flight to Missoula. I know that you're
going to hold that flight to try to get as
many people that are missing would miss a connection, so
you don't have to pay for a hotel room or
anything else. So you're gonna leave us sitting there, so
you put us on the plane. Then you tell us, well,
you know we're gonna with the coffee pots. I mean literally,
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at one point, there's a problem with the coffee pot.
That's beautiful, and I'm like, no, no, no, no, no, no no,
just bring me some more wine or something. But I
know that's not the truth. But then we get to Missoula,
and the great thing is it is I mean, I
took a heavy coat, right because it's Montana, right, and
it's December. And I did check the weather, but I
didn't believe it. I get there and it's not snowing,
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thank goodness.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
It was pouring rain. Huh.
Speaker 3 (02:28):
I mean rain, just I mean like a rain storm.
So I go to the I don't know why I
used Avus this time. I usually use Hurts, but I
used AVOs. They were cheaper or something. And I go
up the line and she tries to get me to
take a a Prius or something, and I'm like, I
don't I don't think so, I don't know, give me
something else. She goes, well, I've got you know, I
got some toyota. That's fine, give me toyota. It's an
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e one. I say, okay, where is it? She was
right at that door, just right to your right. I think,
oh good, it's close because it's raining.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
No no, no, no, no, you have ab.
Speaker 3 (03:01):
And then he is out there there, out there, and
then of course I can't get the trunk to open.
It's just like and of course I have my favorite traveler.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
With me, who you know, is like, why are we doing? Why?
Speaker 3 (03:17):
I thought you were some muckety munk traveler. Why don't
you why why don't you have him bring the car
to us?
Speaker 4 (03:21):
You know kind of stuff. Don't you just say? Don't
you know who I am?
Speaker 2 (03:24):
Well, exactly exactly.
Speaker 3 (03:25):
So Anyway, the grandson got graduated. I had a great
time talking to my son's professor, who is still there.
I never realized he was Ukrainian. His parents escaped Ukraine
after World War Two. We're going to go to Germany
and then try to They escaped to Germany and then
we're going to try to move to Portugal. But they
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found a sponsor and ended up in Ohio, uh on
a farm. But anyway, it was a great conversation. And
he's now graduated, and he's probably going to go to
see you. I don't know, he'll go somewhere. I want
to cleanse the palette just a little bit, because I'm
certain that I don't think I heard a little bit
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of it when I got into the studio that I
know that Gina and Ross talked a lot about what
went on in Australia, and I want to delve into that.
Speaker 2 (04:19):
In a minute.
Speaker 3 (04:20):
But we'll do that maybe either probably next hour, but
instead will cleanse the palette by doing something that is
not really cleansing, but it's something that I came to
my attention yesterday afternoon late Douglas County.
Speaker 2 (04:36):
Now full disclosure.
Speaker 3 (04:40):
When George Brockler, who is the current district attorney for
what is that the eighteenth judicial I forget what number
it is now they moved from around I think it's
still eighteen, but he is the district.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
Attorney for.
Speaker 3 (04:56):
Douglas County and are surrounding areas too think And I
remember because I was I was in Castle Rock having
lunch with a friend the other day and I ran
into George and said, I, but I you know, we
didn't have any conversation about anything going on politically.
Speaker 2 (05:12):
I then heard.
Speaker 3 (05:15):
On the news before I left that the Douglas County Commissioners,
which cannot can let me just my full disclosure is
I know George Bruckler, and I consider George to be
a friend. But I'm going to eviscerate George during the segment,
and I no, I'm not giving them heads up, but
I have a real bugaboo about the Douglas County Colorado Commissioners.
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There are a bunch of yahoos. They're a bunch of idiots.
They are engaged in a lot of self dealing, in
my opinion, and I think that they are just They
represent everything wrong about the Republican Party. Every single thing
wrong about the Republican Party. You will find in the
three commissioners represent the county where I live.
Speaker 2 (06:02):
They have now.
Speaker 3 (06:03):
Adopted a retail theft ordinance because and I saw George
on television a couple of days ago talking about, you know,
shoplifting is not going to be tolerated in Douglas County.
Speaker 2 (06:15):
Now that was good.
Speaker 3 (06:16):
Iuse George is a law and order guy, and I
would expect George to prosecute shoplifters right, No more just
walking out of Kings Coopers or home Depot or Target
or anywhere else with a big basketful of stuff and
get away with it. So I'm all behind that. But
that's not what they're doing here. Oh my god, its
so stupid. They've adopted a retail theft ordinance that requires
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any business in unincorporated areas to report shoplifting to law
enforcement within ninety six hours or face escalating civil fines.
But They also mandate preservation of evidence, and they prohibit
corporate policies that discourage or punish such reporting. Now this
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is being driven by Republican controlled county commissioners, the sheriff
who's also Republican, and the DA George who is also
a Republican. Now they frame it as a crackdown on
retail theft, but in practice it shifts the compliance costs
and the legal exposure onto the crime victims themselves instead
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of focusing on the people who actually do the shoplifting.
Now we're going to push unfunded mandates onto small businesses
and big businesses. This is so anti Republican, This is
so anti liberty. This is so anti freedom that am
I shocked to know because the dumbmastery that goes on
in Colorado now is bleeding over injured Republicans too. Now,
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under the orders, any business in unincorporated Douglas County that
has quote reasonable grounds that's the language, reasonable ground to
believe that a theft has occurred on its property is
required by law to report that incidental law enforcement within
ninety six hours of becoming aware of it. Of course,
my lawyer brain right now says, huh, I just wasn't
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aware of it. I mean and truthfully think about this.
So let's say that you own a home depot in
unincorporated Douglas County. Somebody comes in and steals a hammer,
and not until you do inventory, say two weeks later
or a month later, do you realize, oh, we got
a hammer we can't account for. Well, now you're outside
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the required ninety six hours, except you're now required a
month later, within ninety six hours of having done your inventory,
to now report that. Now that duty, that duty that's
now on the business owner applies to thefts of any value.
So let's forget the hammer. You still a screw out
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a home depot, meaning they're is no minimum dollar threshold.
Petty shoplifting and high dollar organized retail crime are treated
exactly the same for these reporting purposes. Now, if a
business does not report within the ninety six hour window,
there is instantly a civil penalty of fifty dollars for
every additional twenty four hours that passes, capped at a
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maximum fine of one thousand dollars per incident. The sheriff
is responsible for enforcement. But I would ask the sheriff
right now, how are you going to enforce this. It's
an unenforceable law that comes with unfunded mandates. The sheriff
responsible for enforcement and violations can be prosecuted by either
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the DA or the county attorney, and giving the county
multiple avenues to pursue penalties against businesses that fail to
comply with this dumbass ordinance. Now, the ordinance also requires
now think about this, these our business requirements. We're not
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focused on the shoplifter. We're putting requirements on the business.
It requires the business to preserve and provide any photo
or video evidence related to reported theft, effectively conscripting in
store surveillance systems into this kind of quasi regulatory function.
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And corporations cannot adopt policies that prevent employees from reporting
theft or that retaliate against an employee who cooperates with
law enforcement. County officials say they're objective is to force
large chains to change internal policies that they view as
soft on shoplifting. So now we have shifted law enforcement
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from law enforcement to the businesses. How's that liberty orient
How's that freedom? Or in if I choose, if I
run a business and I see somebody that that steals something,
and it's a hammer.
Speaker 2 (11:07):
The I run the.
Speaker 3 (11:08):
Home depots somewhere in incorporated Douglas County, and I see,
I see someone steal a hammer, and I don't want,
you know, And maybe they're maybe it looks like they're packing,
Maybe it looks like they're concealed caring. Maybe it looks
like they're, you know, part of an organized cartel gang
or something. And I choose, you know what, that's the
cost of doing business. So I'm gonna let the hammer go. No,
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now you're in trouble. Now you're in trouble. But tell
me how is that going to be enforced? The county
leaders insist, Oh, the goal is not to punish businesses.
But the structure of the ordnance places new legal obligations,
compliance risks, and the operational costs to carry out this
ordinance squarely on retailers and doesn't provide any funding, any staff,
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or any liability protection. Now, I want to list several
specific features that function as penalties and unfunded mandates on
the crime victims, because who's the victim here. It's not
the shoplifter. It's the business that has been shoplifted. So
let me think I've got one, two, three, four, five.
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I've got five different items here, let's walk through them. First,
there's mandatory reporting for every theft, regardless of value. Now
think about that. Because the ordnance reaches theft of any value,
that means that small businesses that previously would absorb a
very low dollar loss to avoid the hassle must now
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interact with law enforcement and the county court systems and
law enforcement systems for even trivial incidents, or they're going
to risk a fine that turns every minor shoplifting event
into a regulatory compliance task that is excuse me, that
is imposed on the business who, in this case is
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the victim. So we're punishing their victim who's making their
own business decision that it's not worth it. Well, now
they've made it worth it because if you don't, now
you face fines. These dumb ass commissioners I truly despise them.
They're not business oriented. Oh all in the name of
law enforcement. Look, yes, George, I get that you want
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to enforce shoplifting laws, but you don't do that by
requiring businesses to become your enforcement arm. Second, there's a
time bound reporting that comes with automatic fines that this
ninety six hour deadline followed by a meter fine of
fifty dollars per twenty four hours up to one thousand
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dollars means that if you just make a mistake in
internal communication, or you've got a staffing shortage, or you've
got confusion about what constitutes so called reasonable grounds, that
can directly cost a victimized business owner really hard dollars.
And at a time when many businesses are operating on
incredibly thin margins, do you really want to face one
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thousand dollars fine?
Speaker 2 (14:07):
Do you really?
Speaker 3 (14:07):
And by the way, I still get by, and I
still want to focus on you've taken a choice away
from the business owner, and I want to ask the
question again, pay sheriff, how are you going to enforce this?
Are you going to start doing inspections, you start asking
for inventories?
Speaker 2 (14:23):
What are you going to do? Oh my gosh, this
is so stupid.
Speaker 3 (14:26):
There is no single parallel provision that obligates the county.
In other words, you, as a business owner, you must
respond within that in ninety six hours. But there's no
parallel provision in this ordinance that obligates the county to
respond within us set time. So the only party that
is financially punished for a delay is the business once
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you report it? Oh, the Douglas County Sheriff's office can
just take their time. They can just or they can
you know, some deputy sheriff's busy. He's busy doing a
bunch of other stuff. So I'll just put this in
the bottom of my pile. And now you have no
time limit. In fact, you might even let the statute
limitations expire. These are republicans. Tell me how these are republicans.
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Here's the third point. I would make evidence preservation and
production burdens. So these businesses have to not only report,
but also preserve and share video or any photographic evidence,
which is going to require personnel, time, storage capacity, and
probably they're going to have to upgrade their systems and
get vendor support in order to be able to do that.
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The ordinance provides zero funding. There are no tax credits
or anything to cover those costs. So what they've done
is they have effectively conscripted private businesses, private infrastructure as
an investigative arm at the an investigative arm of the state,
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at the business's expense. So the victim here, the businesses
that got shoplifted we've shifted those costs onto them. So
now they have the cost of the shoplifting, and now
they have the cost of complying with this ordinance. Republicans,
what a freaking joke, Michael.
Speaker 5 (16:24):
It's cool that you're in Missoula, but I have a
correction to make, the correction of the previous talk.
Speaker 2 (16:31):
Baker, the Bobcats are going to whoop up on the Grizzlies.
Speaker 3 (16:35):
Yeah, Billcat, fight fight fight, fight, fight, fight, Right, let's
get the goobers fighting among themselves on two out of
state teams there are a thousand miles away.
Speaker 4 (16:49):
Michael, I'm I'm sorry, but I'm not sorry. You're You're confused,
aren't you. Well, I was trying not to pay attention,
right because it's you. Why would I right? But I
thought I overheard.
Speaker 2 (17:02):
Yes, you missed.
Speaker 4 (17:03):
This sounds absolutely crazy, so I must I must be wrong.
Speaker 2 (17:07):
Yes, I'm sure you are, but try anyway.
Speaker 4 (17:13):
So a business gets something stolen from them, yes, now,
if they don't report it to the police within ninety
six hours of knowing about it, the business is the
one that gets fine.
Speaker 2 (17:31):
Yes, you got it, you got it.
Speaker 4 (17:32):
This can't no no.
Speaker 3 (17:35):
And these are Republicans that did this a Republican county commission,
three Republican county commissioners, a Republican sheriff, and a Republican.
Speaker 2 (17:42):
District get thirty.
Speaker 4 (17:42):
So that was the first thing that I really thought
that I must have missedeard because I was trying not
to pay.
Speaker 2 (17:47):
Attention to you. But I understand, I understand.
Speaker 4 (17:49):
But then the second thing, and I'm not sure if
you quite got to it here, because again I'm not
paying attention. How on earth do they plan on enforcing this?
So they're gonna go your officers are going to go
door to door going, excuse me, well, business, did you
get stolen from this week?
Speaker 3 (18:03):
Well I haven't gotten to that yet, but we have
a goober out there that's already answered that question for us,
so goober number. In fact, I'm not going to give
out his goober number because he says as a LEO
law enforcement officer in Douglas County, so I don't know
whether he's like a cop or a ship deputy sheriff.
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So I'm not going to give out his number just
to protect the innocent. But he writes in Douglas County, Well,
he heard about this in a briefing last week. My
response was, STFU, Now.
Speaker 4 (18:37):
Is that shut the.
Speaker 2 (18:41):
Up?
Speaker 3 (18:41):
Oh that's what that means.
Speaker 2 (18:44):
That's what I meant, sitting trying to figure.
Speaker 4 (18:48):
Like, oh that's pretty good.
Speaker 2 (18:50):
Yeah yeah, but so shut the f up, SDFU.
Speaker 3 (18:56):
My response was, and I can just see a cop
saying there briefed on this going. My response was, STF you,
how are we the radiator pusher is going to enforce this?
And how is this constitutional? Well, that's what I'd like
to know too. How are you going to enforce it?
Speaker 4 (19:13):
You don't have enough officers to actually take care of
the crime, but you're going to spend time, possibly sending
them door to door of every business in the county
and go, hey, were you burgled sometime this month? Did
somebody thievery from you?
Speaker 2 (19:26):
Or this one?
Speaker 5 (19:27):
What? Uh?
Speaker 3 (19:28):
Thirty guber number thirty five fourteen, Mike. I've been in
retail loss prevention for forty years. Retailers don't call the
popo because the popo don't show up.
Speaker 2 (19:40):
But now the popo are going to show up. And
I'm mister business owner DoD j Any thefts this week?
Speaker 3 (19:49):
M Well, we think you did because somebody, you know,
some citizen reported it and you didn't tell us about it,
and there's been ninety.
Speaker 4 (19:59):
Six and here's you're fine, and here's your fine.
Speaker 2 (20:04):
Oh so I went.
Speaker 3 (20:06):
Here's where I'm trying to describe you how this penalizes
the businesses and it acts as an unfunded mandate. So
I've given you three of them mandatory reporting for every
theft regard us the value. By the way, somebody of
the text line said, what about the five year old
kid that you know steals candy and mom and dad
used to make them go back and apologize to the
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manager and return the candy.
Speaker 2 (20:29):
Oh no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, nowhere gon,
We're going to go after that.
Speaker 4 (20:33):
As a subway franchise that we had as a family,
we would give out water cups for the soda fountains
and the.
Speaker 2 (20:39):
People would people you fill it with diet.
Speaker 4 (20:41):
Odd has happened?
Speaker 2 (20:44):
Huh yeah, shocked.
Speaker 3 (20:46):
You see, it's way you know I've been I've been
celebrating my grandson's graduation, and you know, I got back
and it was kind of nice yesterday, took the dogs
in a nice walk, and now I come in and
days just kind of ruined.
Speaker 2 (20:58):
It's just kind of ruined already weird.
Speaker 4 (21:00):
For that water cup thing. We were a couple of
blocks away from high school. It was most often minors.
Speaker 2 (21:07):
Weird, weird, so very weird.
Speaker 3 (21:10):
Yeah, okay, yeah, well your mom would have been five
every week, every single week.
Speaker 4 (21:17):
So you also, is it is it a fine per
incident or is it.
Speaker 3 (21:20):
Just no, it's an esclating fine. So yes, it would
be per incident.
Speaker 4 (21:23):
So yeah, if we had three kids come in and
steal soda for that week, then it would be one
thousand dollars.
Speaker 3 (21:29):
He could be up to one thousand dollars for each
one if you don't do it within ninety six hours
of learning about it.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
Yeah, there you go. That sounds great.
Speaker 3 (21:36):
Yeah, so for that, for that dollars seventy nine drink,
you're gonna end up paying.
Speaker 2 (21:41):
One thousand dollars fine.
Speaker 3 (21:42):
So you got mandatory reporting for every single theft, regardless
of the value. You're time bound. You have time bound
reporting with automatic fines automatic fines. Then you have the
requirement of evidence preservation and produce seeing the evidence you got.
That burden now shifted over to the business. And then
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you have these last two policy and human resources constraints
are now imposed by the county. On these small businesses
or big businesses because by banning corporate policies that discourage
reporting or that may be read as retaliation. You know,
when managers exercise their discretion, the county is inserting itself
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into the internal risk management and the HR policies without
offering any legal indemnification. So you decide that you just
don't want to you you don't want to report thefts,
and you don't want you We've heard the stories where
somebody got fired because somebody was stealing something and so
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they chased down the perp and then they got fired
for trying to do that. And I've always thought, I've
always thought that, hey, I understand the rational for that policy,
although I don't like people getting fired for simply trying
to protect your business for you. But now there's no
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legal indemnification. In other words, the company's going to be
held responsible for any wrongful termination or anything else based
on this stupid ordinance. Then you've got this one sided
implementation of an old state law. County officials explicitly invoked
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a nineteen seventy nine state statue that requires individuals and
corporations who reasonably believe a crime has occurred, to promptly
report it. Okay, but they are only attaching new localized
penalties to the private side of that obligation. The county
does not impose any parallel, specific penalty structures on itself
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for failure to investigate or failure to prosecute theft. So
you've now made the implementation a symmetric impunitive toward the
victim the business, rather than the offenders. So in effect,
the ordinance uses the threat of county fines to force businesses,
many of them already operating on thin margins as I
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said earlier, to now spend more money in labor on
compliance paperwork and evidence handling with no county reimbursement. And
there's no guarantee, no guarantee that this reporting will actually
reduce crime. I think it will have zero effect on
crime whatsoever. I think all we'll do is impose an
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unfunded mandate by a bunch of Republicans. Oooh idiots in
Douglas County. You know, a county commission that campaigns on
limited government, property rights and liberty has now decided that, oh,
you know what, the best way to fight crime is
to regulate victims instead of the perpetrators. In Douglas County's
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new ordinance, shoplifters don't face any new statutory burdens at all.
The people who do, all the retailers whose property is
being stolen, who now face the fines from their own
supposedly pro business county government, if they failed to navigate
this four day reporting clock and evidence handling regime just perfectly.
Speaker 2 (25:21):
This is the essence of the nanny state.
Speaker 5 (25:24):
Good morning, Michael and Dragon. I just happened to tune
in mid tirade. This ordinance sounds ridiculous. Just did a
little reading about it. You know, would it have ever
gotten to this point if your community would not have
stopped prosecuting petty crime?
Speaker 4 (25:44):
I doubt it.
Speaker 5 (25:45):
So now instead of prosecuting petty criminals, we're going to
find business owners.
Speaker 3 (25:51):
Makes sense, Yeah, I thinking when you consider that's say,
so called conservative county commissioners and a conservative attorney. Come on, George,
I'm so disappointed George Brockler in terms of Teal and
van Winkel and the others, I just thought, I don't
give a hoot about him. I think they're a bunch
of losers anyway. Goodber twelve thirty one. Michael Dugnas County.
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Businesses just need to bury law enforcement with shoplifting claims.
Walmart alone could swamp them with every found empty package
and snitched grape.
Speaker 2 (26:26):
Yes, do that, We do that.
Speaker 3 (26:28):
Now they're trying to defend this same we're just implementing
a nineteen seventy nine state reporting law as if that
makes everything magically concerned the and constitutional. But adding a
localized fine structure compliance obligation HR policy dictates on top
of an old, dusty statue. That's not neutral implementation. That
is a regulatory expansion, that is anti business, and it's
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Republicans not being liberty friendly simply because they talk tough
on crime at press conferences. It reveals a deeper problem,
a reflex to grab more power over private conduct whenever
headlines demand that, oh, something be done, even when that's
something means what you're doing is you're punishing the innocent
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for the actions.
Speaker 2 (27:16):
Of the guilty, which is exactly what they're doing here.
Speaker 3 (27:19):
What makes this particularly galling, in my opinion, is that
comes from a Republican controlled county commission that tries to
market themselves as a bulwark against Denver style overreach and
Colorado state level regulatory access.
Speaker 2 (27:34):
Yet what are they doing here.
Speaker 3 (27:35):
They're creating a new class of regulatory offense that's a
not of the criminals, but if the companies that fail
to call the government fast enough after being robbed or
stolen from while dressing it up in the rhetoric of
it's a partnership, you can take your partnership and.
Speaker 2 (27:52):
Shove it somewhere.
Speaker 3 (27:52):
As far as I'm concerned, a partnership and community safety
does not mean trading the tyranny of the shoplifter for
the soft tyranny of the compliance officer at you know,
the county sheriff's office. It means a government that's focused
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on punishing those who break the law, not those whose
only crime is being tired of the law breaking. Oh
and to claim them to themselves to be you know,
Douglas County is there's just enough seepage I think between
the dumb astery that goes on in the surrounding counties
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in Denver or rapa Hoe even down even down in
al Paso County, it's just it's seeping into Douglas County.
It absolutely boggles my mind that they're doing this. And
while yes, I consider George Brouckler to be a friend.
This is way over stepping his bounds, way overstepping the bounds.
(28:57):
This is a nanty state in Republican clothing, and you're
just shifting the burden from law enforcement. You know, if
a business somebody raised the question, are there any crimes
that require reporting? Well, we know of many women that
don't report rapes. I suppose if you got mugged somewhere,
(29:21):
you know, walking down Broadway, or for that matter, walking
down Castle you know, Main Street and Castle Rock, and
you get mugged, and you just don't want to deal
with the hassle because all they really did is they
just tried to get your purse, but they didn't, you know,
maybe they knocked you to the ground. No requirement to
report that. But now somebody walks into a business and
(29:41):
business in unincorporated Douglas County and to your point, they
steal a little cart and the juice or something.
Speaker 2 (29:47):
Oh, you don't report that. You could face a line
up to a thousand bucks.
Speaker 3 (29:51):
You may think that just because somebody wears the Republican
moniker after their name, that they're liberty focused. If they're
eat them focused, they are not. And Douglas County represents
the very worst of government overreach, and that's really saying
something considering that where I'm sitting right now broadcasting is
(30:13):
in the middle of one of the most communist counties
in the entire country. City and County of Denver, Colorado,
Douglas County do better shut up and sit down.
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