12-15-25 - 10am - Bondi Beach Attack

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Yay.

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It is coming up on that time of year where,
you know, thank goodness for iHeart holiday programming because it's
the one time that ratings don't matter, the books don't matter.
We can just actually go off and have some fun
with our families.

Speaker 1 (00:36):
Yeah, am I allowed to say that? I am? I
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you are? That's right? Now? What shows are you doing
next week?

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I'll be filling in for Rick and Kathy all next week,
next week in the following so.

Speaker 1 (00:50):
You can do the whole two weeks. Yeah, all right,
no vacation. I don't get one. Well, it happens to
a nicer guy.

Speaker 3 (01:05):
I mean, on the one hand, I'm well, on both hands,
I'm happy. I'm happy that you get to do it
because I think you deserve and it shows that you
have the talent to do it. At least you got
some talent. Look, talent is up here. At least you
have some talent. So that makes me happy that we
finally found something you can do and do it well.

(01:26):
And then it makes me very very happy that Well's
screws up your vacation time.

Speaker 1 (01:29):
So I'm doubly happy today.

Speaker 3 (01:32):
Yeah, as long as you're miserable, I'm happy. Okay, let's
get serious for a moment. So yesterday, December fourteenth, all
these families were gathering in Sydney's Bondy Beach for a
Honka celebration.

Speaker 1 (01:52):
That's when the illusion, the illusion of.

Speaker 3 (01:57):
Australia's safety was literally shattered in a hail of bullets.
Fifteen sixteen people are dead, along with one of the murderer.
Shooters dead, forty some injured. Among the victims, children saw
a picture of a little ten year old girl. Oh,

(02:19):
just heartbreaking. Holocaust survivors, can you imagine that the hell
you went through and you survive and yes, you've now
lived a full life, but to die this way is cruel.
Rabbis visitors, just local families. The attackers a Pakistani father

(02:44):
and the son duo, Sajid and Navid Akram. They fired
you've probably seen the video. They fired from a pedestrian
footbridge over Archer Park. They were using high powered, legally
licensed rifles and let's just get that out of the
way right now. They rained the gunfire onto a crowd
of nearly a thousand people celebrating the Jewish festival. One

(03:08):
of the attackers was killed by the cops. The others,
I think, at least as of Earl this morning, still
in the hospital under guard. Two viable iedes improvised explosive
devices were recovered from their vehicle that was parked nearby,
devices that, had they detonated, would have killed the first

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responders or herded the survivors into a trap where they
could have killed even more. Both gunmen are believed to
have pledged allegiance to the ISIS terror group. An ISIS
flag was found in the car close to the scene
of the attack, and witnesses reported seeing ISIS patches on

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the gunmen.

Speaker 1 (03:55):
The only reason that Moore weren't murdered is.

Speaker 3 (03:59):
That, and I hope you've seen this video too, is
that one single unarmed bystander, a reportedly Maronite Christian fruit
shop owner by the name of amed A Lahmed, tackled
one of the gunmen and disarmed him you can see
him wrestling the long gun from the shooter, turning and

(04:23):
aiming the gaming the gun at the shooter. Now, I
was It is my legal belief that under Colorado law,
and I think under most state laws, even a state
like New York or even Illinois, he would have been unjusted.
He would have been justified in shooting the killer dead

(04:46):
at that point, executing a taxpayer relief shop.

Speaker 1 (04:51):
But he did not. And I'm not going to second guess,
but he did not.

Speaker 3 (04:57):
At least that guy, if he lives, maybe or maybe not,
will get what he deserves. Now, that is just a
summary of the shooting that you probably have already heard.
And I know that you're going to hear a lot
about this shooting. But I don't think that the stories
that I've heard since it occurred from wherever source, I

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don't think those stories convey the full extent of the events.
The Bondi Beach shooting was not a crime of opportunity.
This was not a sudden snap of someone's bizarrow brain,
and it was not an act of despair.

Speaker 1 (05:44):
This was not a tragedy.

Speaker 3 (05:47):
It was a calculated, ideologically driven terror attack executed in
a public space by known actors with legal weapons. Was
a tactical ambush. It was timed with the lighting of
a religious monument, and it was designed to maximize civilian

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casualties and impose psychological terror. And it happened in Australia.
It didn't happen in Paris. It didn't happen in Amsterdam,
it didn't happen Cobble. It happened in Australia. So let's
start with the weaponry. So getah crom held a firearms

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license in New South Wales. He must have attended the
mandatory club shoots that that kind of license demands. He
passed scrutiny by law enforcement. He then legally acquired six rifles.
Three were used in the attack, including a likely mix

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of high caliber bolt action rifles and lever action shotguns.
Those are no crewde tools. Those are battlefield level instruments
used at elevation with clean sight lines. He had open
field exposure and it was against a tightly packed civilian

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crowd that had no cover. Then there's the sun Navid.
He's the guy that's filmed shooting like an expert marksman
in that video on that pedestrian bridge.

Speaker 1 (07:30):
He was known to.

Speaker 3 (07:31):
The Australian intelligence authorities yet that he was known to them,
but he was not flagged as an immediate threat.

Speaker 1 (07:42):
That is almost the same phrase.

Speaker 3 (07:45):
Used to describe the terroriced man Heron Money before the
Limb Cafe siege in back in twenty fourteen. Navid the
shooter here was flagged as early as twenty nineteen for
possible Islamic state connections. In fact, the the Australian intelligence

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authorities some have reported out that he had been probed
by them that year for.

Speaker 1 (08:15):
His close ties to an ISIS cell.

Speaker 3 (08:18):
He was close to several members of that cell, including
somebody belamy of Isaac L. Matari, who's an ISIS terrorist
arre arrested back in twenty nineteen, who had reportedly declared
himself the head of ISIS in Australia and is currently
serving seven years behind bars. So I don't think this
was a missed signal. I think that this is a

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system deciding to look away, to not focus on the
evidence and the activities and the signs right in front
of them. So to call this an intelligence failure, I
think is non statement. It was a collapse of their system.

(09:04):
It was a collapse of the ASIO and other security
and policing agencies that knew all of these things that
I just pointed out in the summary. In fact, the
Intelligence Director General, Mike Burgess even admitted to such. He
said yesterday and I quote one of these individuals was

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known to us, but not in an immediate threat perspective.
So we need to look into what happened here.

Speaker 1 (09:33):
Well.

Speaker 3 (09:33):
Indeed, I think people should look and I think when
they look, well THEY'LC is an agency that knew the risks,
saw the signs, and failed to act, because that is
the wokeness, that is the political correctness that infuses and

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Australia is the example here. But it's the wokeness and
the political correctness that infuses too many intelligence agencies, too
many law enforcement agencies, and too many cultures that refuse
to recognize radical Islam for what it is. Now understanding

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the strategic use of the Bondi Beach is crucial. Bondi
is not a tourist destination. It's actually a symbolic locus
of Australian life.

Speaker 1 (10:27):
It's multiculture on its.

Speaker 3 (10:28):
Surface, but is anchored by generations that have shared civic values.
It is the meeting place of secularism and faith. Modernity
and tradition, and no matter what your views on Israel are,
to strike there during a Jewish holiday at the very
moment a minora was lit was not random, that is ideological,

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and that was meant to make a point, if what
I can gather. The operational response to the shooting is
also controversial and quite frankly under fire, and I believe
that it should be. Video that's circulating from the rampage

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shows a police van with sirens blaring, driving past the
bridge where the gunmen were firing, while the massacre continued
for minutes. Afterwards, eyewitnesses the survivor's say up to four
officers present failed to engage the terrorists, appearing at least
some videos that I've seen and from stories that I've read,

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they appeared to freeze as the children and the families
were being gunned down, and only later returned fire once
the situation was already disrupted by augmed the civilian. So
it gets interrupted by civilian intervention and lethal force from
others and then they respond. Parkland could be something similar

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the government's response. The Australian government's response is, in my opinion,
predictably weak and what a predictable end. We should put
it that way. The Prime Minister Albanese, Oh, he was
quick to condemn the evils of anti semitism, and then
he began signaling a tightening of gun laws. That is

(12:20):
a classic example the political sleight of hand. This wasn't
a policy failure about gun licensing, neither was it just
about anti semitism per se. On this, doctor Stephen Chavarro,
who is a historian commentator, I think set at best quote,
as long as Australia frames the problem solely in terms
of anti Semitism, we will get nowhere and be focusing

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on the wrong people. This is an islawest problem. It
is a failure of the disaster that is multiculturalism. Can
I get a hallelujah? I don't know much about doctor
Stephens Cheverro other than being quoted as an Australian historian
and commentator. Indeed, I think he's right. This is about

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a failure to confront this law man extremism is a
failure for Australia. It's a failure of Australia to reform
their immigration regime and to admit that multiculturalism has in
parts become a cover for imported sectarianism. What tightening of
firearms laws will prevent a man radicalized in his own

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country from carrying out an attack that you refuse to profile,
discuss or to preempt. What regulation stops a family sell
trained over years from exploiting every legal avenue that's available
to them under this Australian government regime's watch. What hate

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speech law or what safety commissioner dictat prevents a mass
terror attack on the most popular beach in Australia. What
has become clear since the attack is that most of
the people in power in Australia still refuse to name
the ideology behind this attack. Journalists, Australian officials, even officials

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abroad very are really quick to try to qualify everything
allege are reported unconfirmed.

Speaker 1 (14:22):
Even now with bullet.

Speaker 3 (14:23):
Hosts still visible and families preparing for funerals, there are
some media outlets and some politicians warning against Islamophobia, as
if fear radical Islam is the problem, not radical Islam itself.
Radical Islamists are the problem. Let me repeat that radical Islammists,

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radical Islam is the problem. Oh why can we not
say that? Why can we not come to grips with that?
That that is the problem. I'm reminded of my old
boss constantly telling everybody after nine to eleven that Islam

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is the religion of peace. Square that with what happened, hmmm,
mister President Square that the Acrome attack is undeniably representative
of a strain of Islamist ideology that has embedded itself
into parts of Australia, particularly around Sydney. It's an ideology

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protected by political correctness, and it is enabled by wilful blindness.
And so the default approach to radical Islam by these
Australian authorities remains, Oh, let's deescalate, that's have community consultation,
let's just not do anything or inaction, or let's just
ignore it until it's too late. Yesterday's tragedy was the

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culmination of all of that systemic wult failure. The terror
attack at Bondi was the visible tip of a system
it refuses to defend itself. And here we can extrapolate
that out from Australia to Western civilization writ large, at

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least in Australia. I would hope here, but we're still
too ok here and I that will happen in Australia too.
But deportation of radical linked goal nationals ought to start immediately.

Speaker 1 (16:26):
Any individual who.

Speaker 3 (16:27):
Has expressed support for jihadis violence, who's attended unregulated religious
institutions known to host this extremist content, or travel to
regions known for terror training and then return it under
false pretenses out There ought to be a full moratorium
on all mass immigration programs from regions with elevated terro risks,

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not because race matters, but because ideology does matter. Australia's
immigration system should not be his is any nations. Immigration
should not be some sort of open door charity. Immigration
is a sovereign mechanism that must protect the people who
are already here in Australia. They've failed, and they've failed miserably.

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And if you don't think, for example, that my comments
about it radical Islam are oh, I don't know, way
too off the charts, way too strong. This comes from
the Middle East Media Research Institute, an organization I'm quite

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familiar with and done some support for.

Speaker 4 (17:40):
Unfortunately, we don't repeat this enough or we don't we
don't have this.

Speaker 3 (17:43):
By the way, this is Chicago's Lamic scholar Moman Newserat.

Speaker 1 (17:48):
It's on men of Unmah.

Speaker 3 (17:51):
You can find it on YouTube November fourteen, twenty twenty five.

Speaker 1 (17:55):
Memory.

Speaker 3 (17:56):
If you don't subscribe or I mean, it's somewhat costly,
but if if you don't, at least try to find Memory.
Middle East Media Research Institute m E.

Speaker 1 (18:06):
M r I.

Speaker 3 (18:07):
They do nothing but monitor all of this media stuff
for radical Islamis and put it out for all of
us to see. You know, in fact, let me do
this before I play this. Let me take a break.
We'll play the video when we get back.

Speaker 5 (18:24):
Gave money, Michael and Dragon, this is your favorite jewover. Yes,
this has broken my heart. I just wonder why and
when did it become so okay to openly hate the Jews?
When did this become.

Speaker 1 (18:46):
Happy? Honk, I told the Jew schoolers, and do you too.

Speaker 3 (18:55):
I think that anti Semitism has always been kind of
an undercurrent, but we've been somewhat, not totally, but somewhat
protected from it.

Speaker 1 (19:12):
For a long time. And I think.

Speaker 3 (19:21):
With the election of a certain president and suddenly the
appeasement toward radical Islam, it suddenly became safe and comfortable
for that to come out into the open. And I

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also believe that as wokeness and political correctness. It's like
wokeness and political correctness. You can equate it to a
government program. It starts with, you know, oh, it's just
a few people here and there saying horrible you know,
anti Jewish tropes or whatever. But it grows and it

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grows and it grows, and its multiculturism takes a foothold.
Then it becomes not acceptable, because it's never acceptable. But
among those who practice and engage in anti Semitism, it
becomes more comfortable and acceptable for them because they know
there's no pushback. So I would say from about two

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thousand and nine on is when it began to grow,
and it is to the point today where it is
out of control. It's simply out of control. And if
you think that somehow that I am being that, I'm
being radical about it. Did you find the video dragon,

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mister Redbeard? Did you find that video?

Speaker 1 (21:00):
Yes, it's posted at micssco here dot com right now.

Speaker 3 (21:02):
Because part of this is difficult to understand because of
his heavy accent. But again, this is from the media,
the Middle East Media Research Institute, and this is any
mom from Chicago.

Speaker 4 (21:17):
Unfortunately, these days we don't repeat this enough, or we
don't we don't have this, this api the concept firm
in our minds that Islam did not come to coexist.

Speaker 1 (21:28):
Islam did not come to coexists.

Speaker 4 (21:33):
Islam isla.

Speaker 1 (21:36):
And he goes in. Islam is always superior, always superior.

Speaker 4 (21:44):
And Islam is raised high and nothing is raised above Islam.

Speaker 1 (21:47):
We can't think of Islam that it came to live
with these.

Speaker 4 (21:50):
Other religions in the sense that Islam is a religion
amongst those religions, and they have a share with the truths,
and they have a share of justice, and they have
a share of you know, this worship of the correct,
worship of a title time.

Speaker 1 (22:04):
Slam came to correct all of that.

Speaker 4 (22:07):
Slam came to remove the oppression of all those religions.
And it is the only truth and it is the only.

Speaker 1 (22:13):
Way to justice.

Speaker 3 (22:15):
That's radical islamus. And that's where your anti Semitism originates.
The to see something, say something lying that we use here,
that's not going to work in a tightly radicalized community
where family loyalties overrides the civic duty. What mother's going

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to turn in her son, what wife's going to report
her husband. At some point we have to move beyond
these fantasies of community policing and admit the truth. Radical Islam,
as he just said, does not assimilate under multicultural platitudes.
It exploits them. So Australia in particular, because that's where

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focused today. But I would also say here too, we
cannot be governed by fear of being called intolerant. We
must now decide what matters more either appeasing activists and
editorial boards, or we need politicians or protecting in the
case of Australia, their citizens and in the case of America,

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our own citizens of this United States, and we've got
to protect them in their parks, at their celebrations, under
their flags. And if we're going to be serious about
national security, we must stop pretending that ideology does not matter.
We've got to stop funding communities that incubate hostility toward Australia,

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for that matter, toward this country. And we must demand
accountability from every single institution, from the intelligence agency, from
law enforcement, from politicians whose top priority ought to be
enforcing both the security and the liberty of this country.
And in particular, as we just saw in Australia, YEW
go back to Australia for a second, the government and

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the e Safety Commissioner in Australia, because they regulate all
of you talk. I forget what I talked about this
on the weekend or the weekday program. But Australia is
enforcing this age limit on kids in social media. I
don't know how they're going to do let's go and
knock in on doors unless they start monitoring everything.

Speaker 1 (24:28):
But you know that.

Speaker 3 (24:31):
The government and the E Safety Commissioner in Australia are
now attempting to have the entire incident removed from the internet,
all in the name of quote community cohesion. And that's
why if you have access to the full ten minute
video of the unfolding of that event posted reposted, put

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it up, let the world see. But the government Australia
is trying to bury. There's other footage showing the carnage,
including dead bodies strung across the park. I saw some
of that last night, and I got a pretty strong stomach.

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And I've seen a lot of really bad crap in
my life, really bad things that rise maybe not to
the level of a combat zone, but right next to it,
and it was gruesome. I think that footage deserves to

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remain online so that people can understand the absolute horror
that occurred. That attack was as preventable as it was gruesome,
and it should not be memory hold, which is what
Australian officials are wanting to do. Australians are dead and
their names should not become footnotes in another government report.

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That shooting should be the line, and that'll be the
moment that not just Australia wakes up, but that we
wake up. It is an ideology that is inconsistent with
Western civilization and we ought to admit that. It's not

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a time to mince words. Moral clarity is the sole
duty on a dark day. And what happened in Bondi
in Sydney was an act of fascist barbarism.

Speaker 1 (26:41):
It was a pilgrim on the beach.

Speaker 3 (26:43):
There's a massacreage Jews that brought to mind the horrors
of the mid twentieth century. If that pitiless atrocity doesn't
probably open the eyes of the West, and I'm not
sure anything will, and the details are truly beyond grim.

Speaker 1 (27:00):
Good morning, Michael and Dragon. Michael.

Speaker 2 (27:02):
We've been appeasing these radicals for far too long. Look
at college campuses. Heck, you even look at some folks
that used to be on the right and I thought
had common sense. Candice Owens, Tucker Carlson, We've let this
hate permeate every single face at our of our society.
And you're right, we cannot be afraid to call it out,

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call it what it is, and get rid of it.

Speaker 1 (27:27):
Amen. Amen. Yeah. And this is not to diminish or.

Speaker 3 (27:37):
Minimize the effects of anti Semitism, but as a gentile,
I looked at it, and I see, first of all,
as a Christian, you hear about it, and you read
about it, and you study it, and then you witness
it and you see it.

Speaker 1 (27:55):
And I've seen it with some of.

Speaker 3 (27:57):
My Jewish friends, and I've seen it and some of
the countries that I've had to travel to when I
was the undersecretary, and it's it's horrible. But I come
back to, oh, it's anti Semitism, unfortunately.

Speaker 1 (28:16):
And I'm not.

Speaker 3 (28:17):
Saying it should or should not, but I'm just saying
it's unfortunate because it happens so often, it gets so
much attention. But you understand, not you, but everyone understands
that radical Islamas are not just anti Semitic, they're they're

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anti Protestant, anti Catholic, they're anti Hindu, they're anti seek,
they're anti everything. As that guy said in that video
which you can see at Michael says go youre dot com.
They believe they are above everything. And while Christians may
believe that the only way they have it is is

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through their belief and through the grace of God and
their belief in Jesus Christ. We don't go out and
kill for it. We evangelize, but we don't go out
and kill. The chilling thing is that this barbarous act
for whatever, I don't know. Maybe it's because I wasn't working,

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and when I'm working, I'm not in the you know,
mired in the minutia of everything going on. But it
felt shocking but not surprising, and it didn't happen in
a vacuum. Australia, just like Britain in Europe, this country,
we've been beset by the delirium of anti Semitism, particularly

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in the two years since Hamas's October seven pogram and
synagogues they've been set on fire, Jewish schools have been
you know, dabbed with racist graffiti, murder your local zions
has been scrolled on the walls. All of these signs.
When they spread hate about Zionists, they're spreading hate about

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anybody other than themselves.

Speaker 1 (30:10):
All of those signs were ignored.

Speaker 3 (30:12):
People get written off as zios who were weaponizing anti
Semitism in order to try to silence public debate. They
can see what was coming. They know from their people's
painful history that it never ends with bigoted words. They
know violence always bubbles up from the cesspit of jeophobia.
And yet, shamefully, their cries were disregarded, their mornings were unheeded.
And this is what we see. Why do we allow

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it to continue? And I think, more importantly, how do
we fight it? How do we oppose it? And I
think by doing exactly what I'm doing today, and that's
just without fear and without any concern whatsoever of the consequences.

Speaker 1 (31:03):
And I mean that very sincerely.

Speaker 3 (31:06):
I'm calling out radical islammis for the evil that it is.
And until we recognize that and quit being afraid to
call it what it is, it will continue to burn.
Like those embers in the Pacific Palisades fire that just.

Speaker 1 (31:25):
Oh, we think everything's fine, No it's not.

Speaker 3 (31:30):
Those embers continue to burn until it destroyed an entire community.
Radical Islamist Radical Islam will do exactly the same thing
to Western civilization, and unless and until we recognize our
ability to speak out against it, those embers, at some

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point will turn into flames.