12-23-25 Jimmy Sengenberger fills in for Michael Brown

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Jimmy Sangenberger here with you in for Michael Brown, and
it is such a pleasure and a privilege to be
with you on this holiday show where we're gonna mix
up some news, some fun holiday cheer, and more. There's
some shenanigans going on in the North Pole. We will

(00:21):
be joined by none other than Santa Claus himself later
on in the program. At eleven thirty. Gina is jealous
as she walks out of the studio, and she should be.
Santa and I are very very good friends, and I'm
looking forward to fun conversation. Some of the things going
on at the North Pole might surprise you, so we

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will have that conversation later on in the show. And
there's a very interesting HitBit. Jared Polis has always been
as governor of Colorado, and before that, he has always
been a advocate for school choice, at least generally speaking,

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and now he has a well he's the first Democrat
governor in the nation to say he wants to join
in with a school choice program of the Trump administration.
Corey de Angelus is with the American Culture Project. He's
going to join us at the bottom of the hour
about this and he's talking it up quite a bit,

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and I get it at the national level, got a
new piece in the National Review about it. But when
it comes to Jared Polis, he's always had a soft
spot for school choice. But it's not like this is
something you know, revelatory or huge for him, nor is
it an indication that he's, you know, he's entirely in

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the right direction on education. I'll say that, Well, we're
going to dive into that in greater detail later on
in the program with Corey DeAngelis, bottom of the hour.
I have a new column today in the Denver Gazette
Denver Gazette dot com where I talk about Denver Public

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schools and look, Denver Public Schools is in shambles. There's
no two ways about. They have a superintendent in doctor
Alex Morrero, who is a failure. There's no other way
to put he is a failure. He should not have

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been retained as superintendent, much less given a contract that
gives him more protections for his job in a school
district that time and time again has failed students. And

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I want to start today on this point about Denver schools.
We'll get to the fun stuff that'll be coom An.
This is not fun. Denver Public Schools is not in
a fun situation because of the excessive tolerance for failure.
I'm about to put it that way now. Earlier this year,

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Denver Public Schools tried to blame President Donald Trump for
their enrollment crisis that they have. They even made a
federal case about it, but failed. The district, though was
right about one thing, enrollment is collapsing. They just couldn't
put the blame where they wanted to. And now, as

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I write in the Denver Gazette, the chickens have come
home to roost, just not the ones DPS wanted. In February,
Colorado's largest school district sued for a nationwide injunction to
block a revised Trump immigration enforcement policy. Now they claimed
that an ICE ray near the schools that a run

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apartment complex campuses were no longer protected areas. Not the
superintendent Alex Morrero, who I just mentioned, He warned that
there was no guarant longer any guarantee that quote, the
next raid would not be at a school. Except that
was nonsense. The new policy merely shifted approvals from DC

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back to local ICE directors or once again entrusted to
exercise discretion and common sense. The lawsuit that they brought
alleged that ICE's actions and policy change were suppressing attendance,
which would result in enrollment based funding jeopardy and to

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the district's stability. Because in Colorado, schools and school districts
are funded based on their enrollment. Yet enrollment and attendance
are two different things. Marero introduced no real proof of
declining attendance. Hard numbers, though, would expose how much DPS

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has depended on illegal immigration to pad enrollment and protect budgets. Now,
this was a big legal stunt and it collapsed. By
the way. I was in the courtroom covering this at
Denver Federal Court with US District Judge Daniel Domenico, a
Trump appointee, presiding. He was fascinating. He gave his ruling

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right from the bench. He said he wasn't originally interested
in hearing oral argument that would be hearing the case
in front of him, but he had some questions, so
he decided to do that. Heard from both sides, asked
them questions. It was really interesting to watch, and then

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at the end he said, normally I don't do bench
ruling but I'm going to go ahead and do that now,
so there's clear sur And in his ruling, he determined
that DPS had failed to quote overcome my extreme reluctance
to consider a nationwide injunction. He noted that he was
trying to be consistent while a lot of people were

(06:14):
changing their minds and their tunes on nationwide injunctions. At
this point. This was already in about February March, and
there were already nationwide injunctions that were happening against TROMP.
And he's had I think more injunctions and so forth
by the courts than any other past president. We'll get

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to that later in the program possibly, So Domenico is like,
I'm not a fan of nationwide injunctions and the idea
that I should stop this enforcement for the entire country
based on things that are alleged to be happening in Denver.
I'm not going to go there. Not only that, though,
he didn't think that DPS could connect those raids near

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the school district, near the schools with the schools enough.
In fact, since February there hasn't been a single ice
enforcement on a school campus anywhere in the country. He
asked the districts lawyers, so can you prove to me,

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demonstrate that if Biden's policy were still in place, the
raid at sea to run apartments wouldn't have happened, And
they couldn't And he said in his ruling, like, we
can't even reach a conclusion on whether anything would have
been different if the Biden policy were still in place
in that regard. Now, just in September, the Assistant Secretary

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for Homeland Security, Tricia McLaughlin said, and I quote, ICE
is not conducting enforcement operations at or raiding schools. ICE
is not going to schools to make arrests of children. Now,
her one covey out was if there were a dangerous
criminal who posed a risk to public safety. But even

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this sensible exception quote has not happened. Now here's the
fundamental difference, and then we'll get to DPS enrollment in
a moment. The key difference between the Biden and Trump
administrations was never the policy itself, but it came down
to enforcement and whether or not it was being done
the Biden administration. President Biden stonewalled operations at ICE while

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ostensibly permitting them. So he said, we could do this,
do you have this authority, but he made local directors
of ICE facilities and so forth, or ICE teams have
to reach out to Washington, d C And say, DC,

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what can we do? Can we do this operation or not?
Trump cut that out, gave more discretion to the ICE directors,
and Trump is following through, which is why DPS wanted
to stop enforcement before it really began. They were trying
to create de facto sanctuary zones through the courts. Again

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they failed, and now Colorado's largest school district can't hide
it's enrollment declines behind an influx of illegal immigrants students.
And a presentation before the school board last week, district
officials admitted the quiet part out loud. A chart that
was presented had the title loss of new to country

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students is exacerbating our decline. And there was a presentation
in particular given by Andrew Cuber, who I forget his
specific titles. Here we go. He's the executive director of
Enrollment and Campus Planning. Listen to his explanation from the
meeting last thursday. There's any of this date to the

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school board.

Speaker 2 (10:01):
Why is this rapid more rapid decline happening? It due
to a substantial net loss of new to country students,
reflecting a sharp reversal of the growth that we've enjoyed
from new arrivals in the last two years. So far
this year, we have welcomed only four hundred and forty
nine new to country students, which is approximately a third
to a half of the pace from the past two years.

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Exits have remained high among this group, at one and
ninety one. This has led to a net loss of
seven hundred more than seven hundred and forty students to date,
severely compounding our existing declining enrollment problem. This slide shows
historic data on both new to country arrivals and exits
and illustrates how unique the trend that we're experiencing this

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year is. Exits of new to country students have remained
persistently high, while entries of students from other countries at
are a uniquely low are at a uniquely low level.
We can't find a record in our data of the
last time DPS experienced this dynamic.

Speaker 1 (11:01):
In the country. Is that Beyonce? Maybe I'm trying to
figure that out. It's such an interesting term. They mean
illegal immigrants, That's what they mean by new to country
students in particular is illegal immigrants, and they've noticed that
language sharp reversal of the growth that we've enjoyed from

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new arrivals in the last two years. You heard him say.
That was Andrew Huber with the district DPS Denver Public
Schools that the loss of undocumented students is severely compounding
our existing declining enrollment problem. Let's be clear here, Denver

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Public Schools openly admit it. It's enrollment stability always depended
on illegal immigrant students, and the numbers are damning. And
the twenty six school a net seven hundred and forty
two new arrivals have left DPS, continuing a trend. In

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both years, there was a net increase of just under
two hundred. But last year, while one thousand and six
hundred and ninety three new entries joined the district, four
hundred and ninety nine left. So DPS Denver Public Schools
masked its general enrollment drop with forty seven hundred undocumented students,

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and that buffer is gone. This validates something by the way,
that I argued in February, just days after DPS filed
that lawsuit, I talked about that the district depends on
a legal immigration to pad enrollment and bolster district budgets,
which is exactly why they sued the Trump administration, not

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to help anyone, but to keep the money flowing. As
I write in my column today and the Denver Gazette,
Oh the irony. The school district that stoked panic about
ice raids that haven't happened, even taking them to court,
is now watching families leave anyway, perhaps in part because

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of the fear DPS Denver Public Schools itself helped create
the influx that once cushioned enrollment losses is now an outflow,
even as academic and safety failures continue driving away citizens
in legal residents, and now the district predicts they're about
to lose another six thousand students by twenty twenty nine,

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which is just a few years out DPS is and alone,
by the way, across the state, we have seen enrollment
drops this last school year the previous school year still
waiting for the confirmed data statewide, but it hit its
lowest point in a decade forced enrollment. And keep in mind,

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a decade ago we had people moving to Colorado to
boost the population. Now a part of that, of course,
is across the state you have demographic shifts, you have
fewer babies being born, so on and so forth, but
you also have a problem of performance driving families out
of the door. The failure to recoup losses post COVID

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is astonishing. Denver Public Schools only just reached the benchmarks
to say we are out of the COVID era, and
that's barely. And there's more and more that I could
go on about DPS's complete failure. Just forty two percent
of K three eight students in Denver can read and

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write a great level. Just thirty three percent are proficient
in math. So really, students aren't leaving DPS because of
I like in other school districts across the state. They
are fleeing failure. The illegal immigration flow that once papered
over the exodus has subsided, and DPS must finally recognize

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and reckon with rationality and reality, even if it's just
a little bit. Check out my column today New to
Country Kids helped pad DPS enrollment. Denver Public Schools is
in deep trouble and there needs to be a change.
But unfortunately, even with the new school board, they're not

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going to dump the superintendent. Morero's there to stay. There
was a rumor, by the way that he was going
to be leaving DPS, leaving Denver to go be the
CEO of Chicago Schools. Fortunately for Chicago's students, Alex Morrero

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is not going to be their next superintendent. Unfortunately for
Denver Public School students, he still is. They're superintendent. It's
just astonishing to me the failures that it's it's called
failing upward, keeps getting worse and worse and worse. Got

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a listener text here, Oh, I like this Gouber number
seven four three one Jimmy as a teacher in a
North Metro school district who is also experiencing declines in enrollment,
especially in the illegal immigrant category. The students when they arrive,
in too many cases are not held accountable for their

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learning or their behavior, and in many cases it appears
as if they attend intend to not assimilate. Well, I
think that's probably likely, and that's certainly being enabled by
the schools and school districts that have a hesitancy to
enforce any sort of cultural norms. Shall we say, because

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there's coudn't be a such thing as cultural norms. No,
just keep your individual identity and your country and your
culture and all of that, and don't worry about blending.
In America is not a melting pot anymore. It's a
salad ball, and it's a salad ball with really big
pieces of different things mixed in there, because we don't

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want people to feel different or to feel like they
should line up with other people. Now that's not to
say you don't keep your cultural identity. Think about all
the immigrants who came here, particularly legal immigrants, who came
here and they assimilated but still kept their cultural backgrounds,

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their traditions. Maybe for example, my mom, one of her
best friends, going back to middle school, married to a
Puerto Rican man, and I remember that they would only
speak Spanish at home, but they'd speak English out in public.
And that's because they felt this was a very important
thing for their kids to be fluent in Spanish, to

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have that experience, and to tie that into the cultural
backgrounds of Puerto Rico, even though they lived in the south.
Just as one example, there's so many. So it's not
about abandoning. And this is a problem, and this is
a worldview of the left, is that by having any

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encouragement to assimilate or to adopt into the broader American culture.
You are somehow undermining what their backgrounds are. You're saying,
we're just going to dismiss it. No, keep that diversity aspect,
but also bring those things that bind us together, the

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commonalities that make it possible for a country to be
a country and to succeed in terms of certain values
and principles and so forth. That's what this is about.
Nothing wrong with that, Nothing wrong with it that five
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As we continue, Jimmy Sangenberger in for Michael Brown. Just
getting started on KOA. We get rolling with our Christmas

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Eve Eve Show and the best Christmas bumper music known demand.
Jimmy Sangenberger in for Michael Brown. Here on KOA, joined
now by my good friend. He's with the American Culture Project.
He's the author of the tremendous book Parent Revolution, and
has a new piece in the National Review today entitled

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Jared Polus becomes the first Democratic governor to back Trump's
school choice plan. Now that is pretty fascinating. We'll dive
into it in just a moment, but first let me
welcome and wish a merry Christmas to Corey DeAngelis, Corey Brother,
Welcome back to KOA.

Speaker 3 (19:54):
Hey, Jimmy Mary Christmas, thanks for having me.

Speaker 1 (19:56):
Merry Christmas. So you have a daughter and his baby
who gosh what? So this will be here second Christmas.
But that means first one of really being sort of
aware ish to what's going on. Right, How is that
for you this Christmas?

Speaker 3 (20:14):
Yeah, it's fantastic. She just started walking and so she's
really interacting with things a lot more. Named Angelina, and
she's almost seventeen years old now are seventeen months old?

Speaker 4 (20:26):
That was working on. We're working on baby number two
as well. So fingers crossed. Now.

Speaker 1 (20:33):
One thing for me is all throughout all the years
I've known you, since what spring of twenty twenty, we're
going on in six years now, friendship brother. So I
have always known you to be a staunch advocate for
quality education and for school choice, and certainly being a
parent reshapes a little bit more the mindset, right, doesn't

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it about how it really puts into perspective why this
is so important?

Speaker 3 (21:00):
Yeah, I mean I got into this as really as
a libertarian, anti government type, seeing the school system as
one of the most socialist institutions that we have. And
I had two degrees in economics too, so I saw
the school system as monopoly that had no incentive to
spend money wisely, and so I entered the school choice
pray really as an economist, looking at you know, the data,

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looking at the scientific research showing that people getting a
choice actually improves academic outcomes and does things like even
reduces crime. But now it's kind of shifted to more
being about prontal rights. For me, I mean it's really yes,
as a parent, it's really opened my eyes. We're going
to homeschool our daughter, and that was one of our

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first conversations when we started dating, Miranda and I. But yeah,
I mean, so now I see it as you know,
the academic benefits and the competition and stuff, those are
side benefits. But the primary benefit is that your kids
don't belong to the government, and that money that you're
paying in taxes doesn't belong to the government schools. It

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should follow your child to the school that works best.
It could be a public school, but if not, you
should be able to take your kids funding to a
private school that's aligned with your values. Maybe you have
a religious orientation that you want to send your kid
to a Christian school or otherwise, or maybe you just
don't want the school focused on gender, ideology or other

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divisive concepts. Maybe you want the school to be a
classical school that's focused on the basics. And so it's
all about frontal rights, about being able to choose a
school that's aligned with your own values, not inflicting your
views on anybody else. And so it's good news that,
you know Jared Polus being the first Democrat to come
out saying, you know what, if I don't opt into

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this nationwide school choice program, he basically said he'd be
shooting himself in the foot because it's kind of like
the twenty one drinking age where every state chooses twenty
one as their drinking age, but it's because it's tied
to Federal Highway fund. And similarly, with Trump's school choice plan,
if you don't opt in, you're basically subsidizing kids in

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red states like Florida and Texas that do opt in,
because anybody can donate to these scholarships regardless of what
your governor does, but you can only get the scholarships
if your governor decides to opt in. So Jared Paulis.

Speaker 4 (23:21):
Saw the writing on the wall.

Speaker 3 (23:22):
And you know, there's some other Democrat governors, like the
one in Oregon and New Mexico and one other blue state.
They've already come out swinging with Trump arrangement syndrome, saying
no way, I'm not doing this, We're not doing school choice,
just cow telling to the teachers unions without actually looking
into the policy details. And I'm glad Jared Polish. It's

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a you know, usually I don't side with Jared Polis
on stuff, and he's even said that he opposes what
he calls vouchers. But now he's you know, done the
right thing, and hopefully other Democrat governors follow his lead.

Speaker 1 (23:57):
Coridy Angel is our guest. Yeah, So with Jared Polis,
he's always at a soft spot for school choice. He
founded a charter school many years ago, but at the
same time he has been very much in league with
the teachers union. So many policies and laws that he signed,
violating parental rights and so forth just will only get

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worse under the next administration, whoever that is, whether that
is Michael Bennett or Phil Wiser, they're likely to be
the next governor of Colorado. But when it comes to
this issue to me credit where credit is due, and
this is sort of it is a no brainer. If
the federal government is putting together this program and it

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doesn't have any sort of requirements that are placed upon
this state in terms of their own money or different things,
why wouldn't you do it?

Speaker 3 (24:50):
Because you're just it's pds Trump's names attached to it,
so they got to be against it. And so I
think Jared Polis is the only Democrat that's actually said,
go on a second, this is basically free money, and
we're gonna turn it down because we don't like Trump
and we're not gonna give scholarships to Colorado kids. That's ridiculous,
that would make zero sense. And so I mean, this

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is this is a breath of fresh air. This is
this is great that you know, Look, anybody can get
that federal tax benefit. It's it's up to seventeen hundred
dollars a year, and you can you can contribute those
scholarships to kids in any state and you get a
federal dollar for dollar tax credit. And so a lot
of people are gonna make those donations because it's basically

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you choose whether you're going to give that seventeen hundred
dollars to the government or whether you're gonna give it
to scholarships for kids' low income kids to go to
private schools. And so there's no negative hit on a
on a family for donating. It's you know, you're no
better or worse of financially. You just get to decide
where the money goes. And so you might as well
let your constituents receive that benefit so that they can

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go to a private school too. Otherwise you're basically allowing
your people who voted you into office gives scholarships to
constituents of Ron de Santis and Governor Abbott because they're
going to opt in. And yeah, five Republican governors have
already announced they're going to opt in. January first, right
around the corner is the official process where governors can

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officially opt their states in the state program. The federal
program doesn't actually roll out until twenty twenty seven, But.

Speaker 4 (26:28):
The good news is those moves.

Speaker 3 (26:30):
Can start being made right around the corner on January first.
And yeah, Jimmy, it's crazy to me because Paul is
signed into law crazy bills that came from the legislature
this year that had to do with gender ideology. I
mean one of them at one point, you know, classified
it as child abuse if you misgendered your kid, and

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you could take away children from parents based on calling
them what they are biologically, what's in their mind at
a very young age. And you know, I think another
one mandates insurance companies to cover quote unquote gender affirming.

Speaker 4 (27:09):
Care, which basically means.

Speaker 3 (27:12):
Sex change surgeries and chemical carastration for children. I mean,
so it's crazy that on the one hand, Jared Polis
went off the deep end on that eighty twenty issue,
but then came around on the right side of history
when it came to school choice. I think it is
really partially because of that incentive that's built into the bill.

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I mean, there's no reason to be against it. So
other Democrat governors need to say, you know, look, Jared
Polis was able to do it, and the Union aren't
going to go scorch starth and destroy him. He's going
to be fined. I think other Blue state governors will
be fine as well, because on the other end, parents
are going to be upset if they don't opt in.

Speaker 1 (27:51):
Yeah, Coridangelis, I got to leave it there. From the
American culture Project, The Parent Revolution. Check out his book.
Thank you so much for joining and his brother. Happy
New Year, of course, and with this celebration of what's
to come with school choice and Merry Christmas. We'll talk
to you next year, all right, Mary, Chris.

Speaker 3 (28:10):
Jimmy, thank thanks and good talking.

Speaker 1 (28:12):
To you, you bet brother once again, Coriy Angelus joining us.
I'm Jimmy Sangenberger in for Michael Brown. More up ahead
on KOA. In for Michael Brown here on ko A
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you celebrate Christmas or not.

Speaker 4 (31:32):
It is thing.

Speaker 1 (31:46):
So did you know that President Trump apparently has more
injunctions that have been leveled against him in federal court
than anybody else. He's admitted it himself and was astized
by Jen Saki on what is it? Aren't they ms
now now? Yeah, they are. They're no longer MSNBC. They

(32:07):
are ms now now Take a listen.

Speaker 4 (32:11):
We've been hit with more nationwide injunctions than were issued
in the entire twentieth century together. Think of it, more
than the entire twentieth century.

Speaker 1 (32:21):
Me yes, you.

Speaker 5 (32:24):
The courts have had to stub you Donald Trump more
than any other president.

Speaker 1 (32:28):
It's not the brag you think it is either, by
the way, Yeah, you know, it's a mixed bag to me.
Some of his injunctions are called for on big stuff.
Certainly the courts need to intervene. But look, I mean,
I talked about it earlier in the show. Judge Daniel Domenico,
in a case that Denver Public Schools brought against ICE

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Enforcement Immigration Enforcement near Schools, said I'm not going to
issue a nationwide in junction because what's happening here in
Denver shouldn't I have no justification to make a declaration
about the entire country and how what's happening here that

(33:14):
Denver Public Schools couldn't really prove anyway, couldn't really couldn't
prove period, Denver Public Schools. If they couldn't show it,
then why should there be a nationwide injunction? There shouldn't be.
It's pretty crazy think about that happened, some of these

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happening across the country, which is why the US Supreme
Court said no, lower courts can't do actual nationwide injunctions
on most things, so they've had to find some other
ways to go and so forth. But at the same time,
it's not something to brag about, per se. I mean,
I don't think so. Maybe you can brag though about

(33:56):
Trump Class battleships. You saw this that now there's these
ships that he wants to construct that will be the
most advanced, have all kinds of artillery. And because he's
really good with esthetics, that was his word, esthetics, he's
gonna help design the Trump Class battleships too. I don't

(34:21):
know about this. I mean, you got the Trump Kennedy Center.
Now you've got the from the US Institute of Peace
to the Trump Institute of Peace. You've got Trump Class battleships.
Is he's turning the White House and the presidential administration
into Oh great, I can name everything Trump, just like

(34:41):
he's done. I think he's been out of business for
so long that he wants to name things after him.
He's he's used to doing that. Wait a second, I
wonder if that's the case. And yeah, thank you, Shannon.

(35:03):
I'm getting word from Shannon Scott, producer Extraor and Air
that the man himself, President Donald J. Trump, is on
the line on this Christmas Eve Eve mister President, what
an honor to speak with you. It's been way too long.

Speaker 4 (35:21):
Merry Christmas, Jimmy, Merry Christmas was saying, Merry Christmas. Isn't
it great? We brought I brought back the merry Christmas time.
Happy Festivus too, In case you're interested. Festus is a
good one, isn't that?

Speaker 1 (35:33):
That's kind of a today the rest of us, isn't it.

Speaker 4 (35:38):
It's the Festivus for the rest of us. What's better
than a steel pole? Let me tell you something, Jimmy,
I heard you, and I love your show. You're great.
You're great, You've got a new show. I'm a great job, Jimmy.
As we say, heck of a job, Jimmy. You know,
Michael Bro's gonna have some pretty look shoes to film
when he gets back. You a Greek, I do. You

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were talking about these battleships, beautiful, big, beautiful battleships, Trump
class battleships. We're going to have Trump hats. They're not
going to be called Sela hats anymore. They're going to
be called Trump hats. Even down the Navy. Now it's
they're going to call they're not torpedoes anymore. They're Trump beetles.

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It's great and we love it. And so during the holidays,
and this is very important. I think it's when we
all gather around the fire sun. I let's all pray
that my federal pardon of TENA. Peters goes straight through
fear that way.

Speaker 1 (36:39):
Wait wait, wait, wait, mister president, I have a bit
of a bone to pick with you on that one.
You have no authority to declare a federal pardon for
state crimes, Sir, I don't know why you think you
can do that.

Speaker 4 (36:56):
Just think about it, Jimmy, federal is better than state.
Name one person. I'll put it this federal boulevard. You know,
federal boulevard. Admit it is much more powerful than State
Street in Denver. Name one person who lives on State
Street in Denver. You can't, I didn't think so. Therefore,

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federal law usurps the state governance. That's the word we like.

Speaker 1 (37:26):
But mister President, even if you could pardon Tina Peters,
you said election crimes and her our election integrity and security.
But none of the crimes that she was found guilty
of for felonies have to deal with elections. So you
didn't even pardon her for the right things.

Speaker 4 (37:45):
I'm pardoning her at Christmas? Is it a crime to
love too much? Jimmy, that's housing your dead.

Speaker 6 (37:54):
To love too much?

Speaker 4 (37:55):
You can't do much. Okay, now, my Tina, Tina, I
love Tina. We love to know. She's my favorite team
that Deana Luis is a close second. Remember that red
hair one of gorgeous I was more of a Ginger
girl than Marianne. Really, I mean Flet's station. You know,
Ginger was on with those legs and Gilligan. I don't
know whether he was thinking, why didn't you.

Speaker 6 (38:16):
Where were we?

Speaker 1 (38:17):
We were going to move on, mister President to something
else that is concerning to me is terriffs. I mean,
do we really need to have terriffs on every country
and have these trade wars, especially at Christmas time? And
the impact that that has on consumers.

Speaker 4 (38:37):
For several centuries, our country has been getting the ryans
of the deal on these terraffs. I mean, the North
Pole has been very cool to a switch station. You know,
they come in the middle of the night. Did the
guy delivers this stuff? Nobody says anything. We're getting a.

Speaker 6 (38:54):
Very bad deal here.

Speaker 4 (38:55):
I'm putting tariffs on all the gifts, and I'm putting
attacks on his slaves. His sleigh is not much and
I don't like that. You know, I'm thinking of a
Christmas list for him in case you're interested. I heard
you're going to have Chris Lingle on your show later on.

Speaker 1 (39:10):
I'm yes, Santa Claus will be joining us before we
get to your Christmas present wish list. Mister President Trump,
why are you tariffing the North Pole? Why won't that
make Santa's job more difficult?

Speaker 4 (39:27):
I tried sanctions, and frankly, I'm not letting very many
people in from the North Fall at all. And him
flying over our airspace is very threatening to me. We've
got one of our genuine hot Rod Venezuela drones tracking
him this year. You know, he was suspected of doing

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something up there, making mistletoe or something. And you know
he's part of his his very presence is part of
my wish west one cause you're interested in that. But
we're caraffing him. I wanted to build a golf course there.
It wasn't very nice to me. I wanted to build
a huge, beautiful golf course at the Northbook, he said,

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but it's darker winter long. We got big lights. We
got big not solar powered, but the ones with the generator.
We love him. That golf courses, he said no, he
said right enough face, he said no. So not not
a very great guy to be honest with you. Are
you in some ways?

Speaker 1 (40:27):
But mister president, are you Are you worried you're on
the naughty list? Is that? Is this sort of a
little bit of a concern. And if not, or if
you can be put on the nice list? What do
you want for Christmas?

Speaker 4 (40:41):
It's all a lie. That's big news. I've been on
the good list for forever. Nice list is my own base, really,
it really is. And people say, oh, mister president, what
if you want the naughty list? These tear us wrong.
Now I'm not afraid of anything. I'm actually welcome. We're
well welcoming Santa Claus into our aerospace this time. It's

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very generous of us. Don't you think this wouldn't have
happened under Biden? I wouldn't have had he wouldn't have
done anything. You would have been asleep in his trundle bed.
So it's okay, Joe, let the Shanna fly right over
your house. Do nothing about it.

Speaker 1 (41:20):
So What do you want for Christmas?

Speaker 4 (41:23):
What do I want to quill? First of all, I'd
like a brand new golden golf cart with KFC available
at any moment, and also free Tina theaters. And also,
let's see what next up. I want Santa to shave
off his beard. It's disgusting. I don't need Jerry Garcia

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delivering his hippie gifts to our children. Go with the big,
bushy mustache, Santa, Come on, it works for Magnum, it
worked for Tom Seliker's, and the handsome he's a handsome guy.
He's a conservative too, So save up the beard, get
rid of the beard, lose the beard, get a nice mustache.
Then those are my three wishes. I think I covered him.

Speaker 1 (42:09):
There you go. We've just got a few minutes with you,
mister President, and we appreciate your time on this Christmas
Eve eve. Is there anything that you have on your
mind at Christmas time? Anything that you've been sort of
working through or pondering.

Speaker 4 (42:27):
Well, last night I was visited by Well, I guess
he would be a ghost. Really he warned me about
there's going to be more ghost he's coming than me,
said he Uh, Well, actually he was an ex president

(42:50):
who visited me. I know it sounds crazy, it sounds insane,
but he said, I'm the first. Before I said, what
do you mean, mister President said, very soon, and probably
within the next couple of days, you will be visited
by three ghosts. Expect the first way, and then of

(43:10):
course the second and the third as well.

Speaker 1 (43:18):
Ronald Reagan came and warned you that you were going
to be visited by three ghosts, the.

Speaker 4 (43:24):
Late Great Ronald Reagan. He said, I couldn't believe this.
He said, I don't know what's going on in the
White House these days, but I'm not very pleased. And
I didn't know what he meant.

Speaker 1 (43:38):
Huh fascinating. So were you visited by any of the ghosts? Yet?

Speaker 4 (43:44):
I was, and I'm still shaken by it. It was
pretty rough. This guy, he was the ghost of Christmas past,
and it turned out that it was the late Great
Richard Milhouse Nickson. He came to me and he said, listen, dog,

(44:04):
don't make the same mistakes that I did. I was
really I left them uncovered by secrets. This you should
never know, never be petty, and never hate it, because
those who hate you can't win unless you hate them,
just ask shut up. That's what he said. I don't

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know what he meant.

Speaker 1 (44:30):
I don't either. I would. I would really consider that though,
if any such individual were to visit me. So did
the second ghost visit you as well? Last night?

Speaker 6 (44:43):
You did?

Speaker 4 (44:43):
And that was Clinton. He said, come with me.

Speaker 7 (44:47):
I got somebodys.

Speaker 4 (44:47):
We gotta go. It's not where you think we're going
to go to your We're gonna go to Elon Musk South.
He's poor now, he lost all this money. We're gonna
visit it. This is to work for you, didn't you.
I said, why are you doing here? Bill? Shouldn't you
be out partying? Here's let me I should I'm taking
a Christmas break, That's what he said to me. I
good confused with this. It's very shocking.

Speaker 1 (45:12):
Taking a Christmas break. There you go. And the third ghost,
mister President, where you visited by the final ghost that
Ronald Reagan warned you about?

Speaker 4 (45:21):
I did? Indeed, Jimmy, he came to me quickly. He
said it was somebody who's still alive. I couldn't believe
this guy, Yo, what are you doing being a ghost?
And it was Arnold Schwarzenegger. At the future is it
what you think you're going to wreck it? Keep de
land China. Let's understand the future is a mess.

Speaker 8 (45:43):
All of it because of you.

Speaker 4 (45:46):
And I brought him to get out of here. I
called my security at called be as you could, service
pulled him away. He's a very strong guy, even his
ghost is strong.

Speaker 1 (45:58):
Well, mister President, it sounds like you had quite an
eventful night. Did it change your mind on anything?

Speaker 4 (46:06):
Remind me of something with me?

Speaker 1 (46:10):
Did being visited by these ghosts change your mind on anything?

Speaker 9 (46:15):
It changed my.

Speaker 4 (46:15):
Mind about a lot.

Speaker 6 (46:17):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (46:18):
First of all, hairstyle Sannah not good. He wasn't involved
in this at all. And also I'm rethinking my terraf
on the North Fall after after speaking with you, Jimmy,
I'm thinking of change, quick change, quick change. Sanna's coming,
Shanna's coming. I'm very excited. Police navidad that's Spanish for

(46:39):
something about Christmas.

Speaker 1 (46:40):
Merry Christmas.

Speaker 4 (46:41):
Yes, carow on you at least nab me Dodd. That's
the story. That's a different story, Police knob me DoD.

Speaker 1 (46:51):
Mister President, do you have any final messages for the
American people listening to us this morning? Here on KOA.

Speaker 4 (46:59):
I'm doing away traffic circles. It's happening. It's happening, even
saying when he lands on the ground with dis Lake
with the little skeechos, a liddle of a bridge on
the roof, what do you think he's gonna do when
he comes to a traffic and we're going, he's gonna
go watch this? How do I get eight reindeer? Now? Ten?
Ten reindeer? Jimmy through this little loopy loop? Nope, not

(47:24):
turn not on my America. No thank you, no thank you.

Speaker 1 (47:29):
You're going to get rid of traffic circles. That's the
big announcement today.

Speaker 4 (47:33):
Also Apple Watch, Why do you insist Apple Watch on
telling me what time it is in Coopertino, California. I
don't care what no one does.

Speaker 1 (47:43):
That's a very fair point, mister President. It has been.
It has been, President Trump, an honor and a privilege
to have you on the program today. What is your
Christmas wish? Before we let you go for the American people?
What message for you?

Speaker 4 (48:02):
Jimmy? And you know I love your show. I always have.
I've been following you for close to thirty years on
your radio shows. Beautiful and the numbers are looking good.
They've increased eight hundred percent. And this is what I
wish for you. You got. You're going to own fifty
whats Clear Channel station Kayaway by this time next year.

(48:25):
I will it you mean.

Speaker 1 (48:28):
iHeart mister President.

Speaker 4 (48:31):
iHeartRadio. You think big. I like that. I like that,
not just gay Away, but the whole sheetang Lovely, Lovely Monopoly.

Speaker 1 (48:41):
Merry Christmas, mister President. Thank you so much for joining us.

Speaker 4 (48:45):
Happy New Year, and remember vote early and often.

Speaker 1 (48:51):
That is advice you probably should not take. But we
appreciate the President of the United States joining us and
especially sharing with us about his experience last night being
visited by all those ghosts. I'm Jimmy Sangenberger in for
Michael Brown on KOA Keep It Here, Vana Masa bringing

(49:12):
us back with his cover of Elvis Presley's Santa Claus
is Back in Town, and I love it. It's a
great version. Once he starts getting off into the guitar solo,
which would be too long to listen for the bumper
to get to that point, Oh, it is excellent. Although
I do have to say, and we played this last

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week Jimmy sang and Berger filling in for Michael Brown
or was it two weeks ago whenever I filled in.
Not this week we played my favorite Christmas song probably
and it's Johnny Lang's version of Santa Claus Is Back
in Town, which is different. It's slow, nice, bluesy, just fantastic.

(49:54):
Good to be with you, Merry Christmas, one and all
here on KOA, let's talk about the future of conservative
movement for a moment. By the way, I hope you
enjoyed the last say. We've been getting some good texts
from folks with the President Donald Trump obviously not. I mean,

(50:14):
how do you get in the same couple of minutes
Ronald Reagan and Richard Nixon and Bill Clinton and Arnold
Schwarzenegger plus Trump all together in the same couple of minutes,
and they're supposedly goes. This is probably not the real

(50:36):
Donald Trump, but so much fun. Mark Corgan is fantastic
as Trump, one of the best Trumps I know. So
when when we talk about the future of the conservative movement,
there are two things to consider. One we touched on
just a little bit yesterday, which is J. D Vance.

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Now jd Vance the Vice President of the United States,
the first millennial vice president of the United States. He
is in some respects a controversial figure in the sense
that he's much more of a big government conservative, is
far more willing to use the power of government to

(51:23):
achieve particular ends, which is why Rand Paul does not
believe he carries that banner. Just as we talked about yesterday,
I think there.

Speaker 9 (51:32):
Needs to be representatives in the Republican Party who still
believe international trade is good, who still believe in free
market capitalism.

Speaker 1 (51:40):
Who still believe in low taxes.

Speaker 9 (51:42):
So he used to separate conservatives and liberals that conservatives
thought it was a spending problem. We didn't want more revenue,
we wanted less spending. But now all these pro ra
protectionists they love taxes, and so they tax tax, tax,
and then they brag about all the revenue coming in.
That has never been a conservative position. So I'm going
to continue to try to lead a conservative free market

(52:03):
wing of the party and we'll see where things lead
over time.

Speaker 1 (52:06):
And that's not JD. Vance, no, flat out no. But
that has not stopped the machine that was built by
Charlie Kirk from supporting JD. Vance to be the next
president of the United States. Andrew Covet, one of the

(52:28):
leaders of Turning Point USA, now since the assassination of Charlie,
Kirk had this to say during the Amfest conference over
the weekend.

Speaker 10 (52:41):
We're all in behind Vice President JD.

Speaker 3 (52:43):
Vance.

Speaker 10 (52:43):
Charlie considered him a generational talent and somebody that could
lead this nation forward. We're very happy for the here
and now, so we're going to kind of let the
next year play out, but heading into twenty twenty eight
where we're excited to get behind him and the machine
that Charlie builton that's still a place, a turning point,
is going to be all in for the vice president.

Speaker 1 (53:02):
It's huge. I want to get too. So they're already
they're playing their favorites. They're saying, oh, we're ready to
get behind Jdvans. It's really interesting. We're in the first
year of his vice presidency and they've already said the
machine that Charlie built is going to throw at support
and wait behind JD. Vans.

Speaker 4 (53:24):
Now.

Speaker 1 (53:25):
I don't like that. I don't like christening somebody as
the next guy when there are plenty of options. And
quite honestly, there's a lot that I like about Jdvans.
I think he's a good person. I think he's a
good father, I think he has a lot to bring
as far as the ability to communicate on issues very effectively,

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and when he talks about things that are principled and
eternal values of the country, I love to hear that
he's one of the great spokespeople. But when he talks
about policies that are not positive or beneficial, when he
dabbles into areas that are much more about big government

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and so forth, that's where I go. I hope there
are other options. I'm not a fan of JD. Vance
to be the next president of the United States. I
love the idea of the first millennial vice president, being
a millennial myself, but that doesn't mean anything, because it
doesn't matter if you have the first whatever president. What

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matters most is that that person is the person who
is meant to do the job personally. I don't think
that is J. D. Vance now speaking of the future
of the conservative movement. Over the summer, in July, we
tragically lost ed Faulner, doctor ed Edwin J. Faulner, who

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was a graduate of Regis University at the time, it
was Regis College his alma mater, my alma mater. He
was a life member of Regis's board of Trustees and
the longest serving president of the Heritage Foundation and founder

(55:22):
co founder of the Heritage Foundation. One of the most
influential conservatives ever to be in the public sphere and debate,
and his influence on the Reagan administration was tremendous, and
he helped build the Heritage Foundation into being the foremost
conservative think tank in the country and reshaping how we

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would look at think tanks and what they could do
in the public policy, education for the public and so forth,
and the important role that they play.

Speaker 6 (55:56):
Well.

Speaker 1 (55:56):
Unfortunately, the Heritage Foundation, I think the editorial for the
Wall Street Journal captures it right. The Heritage Foundation blows up.
Ross talked a bit about this at the end of
his show earlier. He's right the Heritage Foundation well. Kevin Roberts,
the president of Heritage, a couple of months back, went

(56:20):
out on a limb to defend Tucker Carlson after Carlson
interviewed neo Nazi Nick Flentes. Not hyperbole, not political terminology,
Puentes is that neo Nazi terrible human being, and Tucker
Carlson didn't just interview him, he gave a softball ast. Heck,

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interview didn't press him on anything. He's just asking questions,
didn't press him on anything. Well, Tucker was defended by
Kevin Roberts, who didn't afterwards when he got criticized, didn't
really apologize, made excuse. And in the wake of that,

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you have seen person after person, leader after leader of
the Heritage Foundation leave the organization, and so many of
them have been moving over to Mike Pences, the former
vice president, Mike Pences, think dank Advancing American Freedom aa

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F as he's bringing on all sorts of leaders. I've
got the press release here. The news has been out there.
I don't have time to get it into all the details,
but the losses here are piling up, and it is
because the Heritage Foundation has refused to clean house, fearful

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that they are going to be blamed for engaging in
cancel culture. Well, sometimes it's worth telling somebody you're hurting us, Sorry,
you gotta go. And the fact that Kevin Roberts hasn't
resis just shows his ego beyond disappointing. I just can't
imagine what Ed Fulner would be thinking, were he alive today,
about what's happening to his institution. It is a damn shame.

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Jimmy Sangenberger here with you and for Michael Brown, We'll
pick it up on the other side. On KOA. This
the second hour of the show. He had a Christmas
celebration of Hope Fantastic album that came out many years ago.
He would have been one hundred this year, just as
KOA turned one hundred this year. Jimmy is coming from

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the text line KOA Common Spirit Health text line five
sixty six nine zero. Can you think of any dem
who would be better than Vance for president?

Speaker 7 (58:44):
No?

Speaker 1 (58:45):
Straight up answer, No, I'd vote for Vance if he's
the nominee. I just would prefer him not to be
the nominee, which leads to the other listener text that said,
who would be better than Jay d? Vance? Ron DeSantis,
Macro Rubio, though Rubio has unfortunately thrown his support behind Vance.
I honestly I think that Advance does it with Trump's help,

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carve out the field where he pushes out most potential challengers,
and I don't think that should happen. We can have
the most robust Republican primary, the one that if we
didn't have Trump running again in twenty twenty four, we
would have otherwise had because there were so many good
candidates that ran, in my view in this last cycle

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challenging President Trump or ended up challenging President Trump's and
Trump decided to run again and successfully won his second
non consecutive term as president. I would like to see
a robust Republican primary. Can we not just clear the field,

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give this generation of options of leaders the chance to
go to bat and prove what they've got rather than
just saying, oh, let's carve it out for Vance, who Look,
he's got a lot of good qualities, but he's also
got a lot of drawbacks, and he's not a free

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market guy. I would love to have a Republican party
that's focused on the free market is so important, so important.
I've been watching a lot of William F. Buckley Junior's
Firing Line episodes, just kind of going down history rabbit
holes and watching these episodes from the sixties and the seventies,

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and the discussions with Ronald Reagan and Melon Friedman, the
list goes on. Those are the kinds of things that
I would love to have more of on the right,
and unfortunately it's getting drowned out by big government and
protectionism and look I voted for Trump three times, but
that doesn't mean that I'm not unhappy with some of
the direction that we're heading in What are your Thoughts?

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Five sixty six nine zero the Kowa Common Spirit Health
text line. More hour yet to go. Santa Claus has
come into the show as we continue, Jimmy and for
Michael and Kowa. Jimmy Sangenberger here with you on koh A,
Mary Christmas. Santa Claus joining the show. Bottom of the hour.
Some shenanigans going on at the North Pole, and we

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will check in with mister Clause coming up at the
bottom of the hour and annual check in. I always
do this on the radio and get to have one
on one with mister Santa Claus. So, by the way,
I haven't done this yet. I always later in the show.
It happens twenty four to seven, three sixty five. You

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six nine zero koa Common Spirit health text line. By
the way, I should say that I can't access Brownies
Michael Brown's text messages today, So that's the number to
text five six six nine zero the KOA Common Spirit
Health text line. Jimmy, can you at least admit that
tariffs are a good tool to force free trade with
countries that don't allow free trade. Reciprocal tariffs work to

(01:02:52):
ultimately eliminate tariffs in both directions, as well as to
punish those countries that cheap.

Speaker 6 (01:02:57):
No.

Speaker 1 (01:02:57):
I will not admit that because it's not true. Please
cite me an example. Give me a specific example of
where we didn't have free trade with the country and
then suddenly we did. I'll even go back to his
first term. I think the USMCA is worse than NAFTA.

(01:03:17):
I don't see actual free trade improvements when it comes
to China or European countries, and all too often we're
seeing the administration even tariff countries where we don't have
a trade deficit with them, or when we have tariffs,
the basis is a supposed trade deficit, but that doesn't

(01:03:41):
account for of different factors in trade. Or maybe it's
oh well, this is for fentanyl, or maybe it's oh well,
they're doing the wrong thing politically in Brazil and doing
a prosecution, so we're going to go ahead and slap
terraffs on it, slap terr sonic. I'm sorry. I don't

(01:04:04):
trust this administration to even identify what an example of
cheating is. Very rarely have we seen any examples where
we've gotten some sort of an actual free trade benefit
by reducing tariff and non tariff barriers. So no, I
won't concede that because I don't believe that it is true. Now,

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we have a mindset in government, in politics, and particularly
in economics on a variety of things, but trade is
a prime example of a zero sum mindset. There's an
interesting piece by Rayner Zeidelmann at realclearmarkets dot com German

(01:04:53):
historian sociologist, author of many books including How Nations Escape Poverty,
The Power of Capitalism, and Hitler's National Socialism. Entitled The
zero Sum Mindset will get You Nowhere, Writing Patricia Andrews
Feeran and Friedrich M. Gotts from Stanford University and the

(01:05:18):
University of Cambridge have published an important article entitled the
Zero Sum Mindset, in which they present the results of
nine studies spanning six countries with ten thousand participants. They
define a zero sum mindset as a mental conception of
success in which another person's success automatically comes at your expense,

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and your failure is their success. Such situations do exist
in life. A tennis match is one example. If you win,
the other person must lose. However, there are numerous other
situations where both sides win, such as the voluntary exchange
of goods i e. Trade Fear in engots show that

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the people with a zero sum mindset fundamentally interpret situations
as zero sum games, even if they are not in reality.
This has serious implications because zero sum thinkers base their
behavior on this assumption. Protectionist policies such as their those
pursued by Donald Trump are an example of this. Anti

(01:06:24):
capitalists believe economics is a zero sum game. Urgeld Breckt
classically formulated this thinking in his poem Alphabet, in which
two men, one rich, one poor, come face to face,
said the poor man with a twitch. Were I not poor,
you wouldn't be rich. This is how anti capitalists envision

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economic life. They argue that rich countries must share some
of their wealth with poor countries, and rich people must
share with the impoverished. From their viewpoint, the fact that
there are still so many poor people is solely due
to selfishness and a lack of goodwill among the rich. Historically,

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in earlier societies, wealth was often based on robbery. Some
people enriched themselves at the expense of others. In contrast,
the market system operates on a different principle. Those who
effectively meet the needs of a large number of consumers
become rich. That is the fundamental logic of the market.
I'll read one other passage from this piece by Reiner

(01:07:29):
Zeitelman at realclearmarkets dot com. The misconception of a zero
sum economy is debunked by analyzing the development of the
number of rich and poor people over recent decades. Prior
to the advent of capitalism, the majority of the global
population lived in extreme poverty. In eighteen twenty, the rate
was ninety percent. Today it has fallen to around ten percent,

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a number that would be even lower six point five
percent if the World Bank did not recently adjust its
calculation method. And then it goes on to socialist plan economies,
so on and so forth. It is clear that the
zero sum mindset is wrong. Adam Smith recognized that trade
is not a zero some game because specialization and the

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division of labor enhance overall production and goes on this
piece realclearmarkets dot com. The zero sum mindset will get
you nowhere. Unfortunately, there is a belief that trade is
zero sum. You win, we lose. That is not the case.
Trade is among individuals and businesses. The United States does
not actually trade with China. Businesses and individuals engage in

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trade with China, and they happen to be American people
and American companies trading with not even China, with Chinese
companies or companies in China or Taiwan or Vietnam, or
England or France or you name it, and yet somehow

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we have this, we have this coalescence idea of trade
is not just a zero some game, but it's because
countries are trading. This is a leftist mindset and I
can't get behind it.

Speaker 7 (01:09:14):
It is so.

Speaker 1 (01:09:18):
It is so astonishing to me that we have this,
this not just zero some mindset, but this belief that
it is country versus country. That is not what's happening
with trade. Unfortunately, here we are one more time because
I'm being asked the zero sum mindset will get you nowhere.

(01:09:40):
Reiner's Idelman at Realclear Markets dot Com yesterday you'll want
to go to Tuesday on there, fascinating piece. I'm Jimmy
Sangenberger filling in for Michael Brown. We've got more coming
up on koa well known We've got the best Christmas
bumper music known to man because Jimmy Sangenberger is in
the house filling in for Michael Brown. So glad to

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be with you. Santa Claus coming up in just a
little bit. Where get his reaction to the news from
earlier when Donald Trump the Donald Trump, Yes, the real real, No,
it was real, I know. But uh, President Trump and
his declaration that he's some news about the tariffs on
the North Pole that'll come up later on in our

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in our discussion on some Christmas shenanigans with Santa Claus.
This is it's really interesting the inquiries about the article
that I was sharing on realclearmarkets dot com from yesterday.
The zero sum mindset will get you nowhere. Rainer Zeidelman

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currently in a debate with family member on his support
of Trump's tariffs. I'd like to send out the article
on trade as a zero sum game. Could you repeat
the article source well, and Merry Christmas. I appreciated Merry
Christmas to YouTube, but that's so interesting now. I did
want to respond to this one five six six nine
zero the koa Common Spirit of Health text nine Jimmy

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the Chinese cheap steel ip flood markets with government supported
low ball products to shut down whole industries in other
countries ours included. I'm not saying that there aren't legitimate
grievances to be addressed on a trading standpoint, but by
the way, there are systems in place that the record
actually shows. China generally follows through the World Trade Organization

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when you file disputes, because that's the system that's created
for specific claims of impropriety by a country when it
comes to trade. Because you're right, yes there is IP theft,
there are things that need to be addressed with China.
But does that mean that you just slap universal tariffs

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that hurt Americans? I mean, why the hell are we
spending twelve billion dollars paying farmers because the Chinese market
has been cut out from them? And this is what
Trump has decided to do, kind of like FDR during
the Great Depression was like, oh, we have all these
crop yields, so we're gonna just pay you not to

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farm or to throw away your crop yields is ridiculous
a repeat in that respect. I just I think it's
this approach is not the right approach to China. What
should we do? Well, that's a discussion for another time.
I'm Jimmy Saying Berger filling in for Michael Brown Christmas fun.

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On the other side, it's koa Mary Christmas and I
had to do that. That was just I think the
perfect lead in Bumper to our very special guests. You know,
I'm sometimes as Chris Kringle. Most people think of him
as Santa Claus. You may look at Father Christmas. Though

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many names, but he is always the guy coming on
Christmas Eve down the chimneys across the world, leaving presents
for the good girls and boys. Please allow me to
welcome to Koa, back to Kowa, mister Santa Claus.

Speaker 6 (01:13:22):
Oh is that you, Jimmy Burger?

Speaker 1 (01:13:29):
Yes, it is Santa. How are you? Merry Christmas?

Speaker 6 (01:13:33):
Well, Merry Christmas to all of you and yours. Hey,
I understand that this year there's a little extra in
the stalking over at the Sangenburger House, if you know
what I mean.

Speaker 1 (01:13:43):
There you go, there you go. I appreciate it, Thank you,
Thank you, sir. H So, Merry Christmas. How you feeling
Christmas Eve is tomorrow? What's shaken?

Speaker 6 (01:13:55):
Well, I'm just excited to have good weather around the globe.
Uh you know Riddy of Riddy of Flile. Did I
got you know, twenty eight hours or so to make
all those deliveries? And uh it usually works out pretty well.
I mean, uh, I have a little trouble flying over

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the rockies, but other than that, it's smooth saling. I promise,
oh boy, for Christmas this year.

Speaker 1 (01:14:24):
I have to ask you, since I've got you directly.
Am I on the nice list?

Speaker 4 (01:14:30):
Well?

Speaker 6 (01:14:30):
Yeah, no as I. Uh, it's it's come to it
says right here on the nice list. Who's uh, who's Victoria?
She's on the nice list too, Right, it's got a
little asterisk. Yes, gratulations Jimmy, congratulations.

Speaker 1 (01:14:49):
Yes we are engauged. Why thank you. I hope Leland
her Son is on the nice list as well this Christmas.

Speaker 6 (01:14:58):
The whole family. Oh boy, I'm excited. No, I can Uh,
I could still get down that chimney. Uh, it's not
gonna be a problem, is it. You open the flood
this time? Last time I had to knock.

Speaker 1 (01:15:11):
Yeah. Oh yes, you always have the way to get
into any home, whether it has a chimney or not.
Don't you sent it?

Speaker 6 (01:15:18):
Yeah, well it's kind of a gift. I'm not going
to Divos Committee of my secrets. Let's just sawyer. It's
a little Christmas magic.

Speaker 1 (01:15:26):
Christmas magic is all you need, that's for sure. You
know I haven't sent you a Christmas list. I'm sure
you've got some ideas for things to bring to yours truly.

Speaker 6 (01:15:38):
Well, you know you you have been a good boy.

Speaker 1 (01:15:41):
This year, right, I think so?

Speaker 6 (01:15:44):
Uh, Well, what do you want. Do you want another harmonica?
I can bring you a harmonica, Sana, I have.

Speaker 1 (01:15:51):
I have so many harmonicas. I mean, it's like if
I wasn't going to get the gig for the Jimmy
Junior Blues Band with five hundred harmonicas, I don't think
I'm gonna get it with five hundred one. So I
think I'm good on that.

Speaker 4 (01:16:05):
All right.

Speaker 8 (01:16:05):
Accord You know, yesterday we had a listener who did
a talkback that had him playing a Christmas tune on
accordion and it was amazing.

Speaker 6 (01:16:23):
Well, it's it's quite the instrument that in. Uh, I'll
tell you what. Let's give you another instrument. How about bagpipes?

Speaker 1 (01:16:32):
Oh boy? And Mandy Connor would hate you with that because.

Speaker 7 (01:16:36):
She's just like just we were talking about bagpipes last
week and yeah, I don't know, I don't know that
that would would would go over well here now here,
Santa I.

Speaker 1 (01:16:49):
We do have some breaking news. My understanding is that
there has been an ELF strike going on and there's
been a resolution to the strike. Is that true.

Speaker 6 (01:17:04):
I don't. I don't want all the boys and girls
around around the world and all the listeners to to
be concerned about that. We we've resolved the strike. I
think it's over and we're back on schedule now.

Speaker 1 (01:17:18):
Now, was there anybody in particular who broker the deal
to end the strike?

Speaker 4 (01:17:25):
Oh?

Speaker 6 (01:17:25):
Yeah, yeah, of course. Uh well, I'm uh, I'm not
gonna I'm not a name dropper or anything, but he
happens to be a certain individual who has the word
oh motus after his name. Let's just put it that way.

Speaker 1 (01:17:42):
Oh, President Trump negotiated this deal, you know what I'm told.
Hold on one second, Sannah that we have on the line,
mister Stanley twinkle Flake, one of your elves. Stanley. Welcome
to KOA.

Speaker 6 (01:18:00):
Ankers Local number seven. Stanley twinkle Flike.

Speaker 1 (01:18:02):
Here, Stanley. Good to have you, sir. Thanks so much
for for joining the program. Talk to us, Yes, sure, yeah,
I'll talk to us.

Speaker 6 (01:18:11):
It's my pleasure, Jamie. I haven't talked to you since
last year when we uh we had that brief, uh
you know, air traffic controller in the North Pole walk
out and uh you know that guy resolved too, and
so yeah, it's been it's been great so far, no
problem and uh boy, go ahead, go ahead.

Speaker 4 (01:18:31):
I'm sorry.

Speaker 1 (01:18:32):
I was just gonna say my understanding from Santa is
that President Trump negotiated the end to this strike. How
about that resolution? What do you make of it?

Speaker 6 (01:18:43):
He did, he did, he he showed up and he
was he was tough. I'll tell you he was tough.
But but Herman's fair. But Herman fair. I uh, I
really I think he. I think he deserves the Peace Prize.

Speaker 1 (01:18:55):
You mean the Nobel Peace Prize.

Speaker 6 (01:18:58):
No, no here here we call with a Noel Peace
on Earth price.

Speaker 1 (01:19:02):
Oh okay, that makes sense. Is there anything that you
the elves are gaining from this resolution that allows Christmas
to go on without a hitch?

Speaker 6 (01:19:12):
Well, we did get the resolution pass for more subsidies
for elfcare and that was very important. Our our families
are getting bigger and uh, you know, despite what people
stage getting colder up here in the in the North Pole,
and so elfcare is very very important. Oh and also
we got our we got our ebt uh reinstated, you

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know else benefit.

Speaker 1 (01:19:37):
You know that sounds exciting, very good news. Stanley twinkle Flake,
thank you so much for joining us. Ll let's get
back to a Santa Claus up. There has been some
fun at Christmas time always, and a lot of times Santa,
you'd like to quiz me on Christmas facts, So I
want to tell you, Santa, I am ready.

Speaker 6 (01:20:00):
Well, Jimmy, oh, let's let's see. Oh well, I got
a good one here. Okay, Uh, for everybody listening, for
for all the little boys and girls, they probably know this,
and I don't know if you know this. What is
Frosty's nose? Oh?

Speaker 1 (01:20:15):
Come on that that's that? That that's a carrot?

Speaker 6 (01:20:18):
Right? No, no, no, no, oh, you've got one wrong already. Okay,
it's uh, let's sing the song with the corn cob
pipe hana?

Speaker 1 (01:20:29):
Oh a button nose?

Speaker 6 (01:20:32):
Yeah? But what are his eyes made out of.

Speaker 1 (01:20:36):
Coal?

Speaker 6 (01:20:37):
Yeah? And those eyes made out of coal? Yeah, everybody
gets that one wrong. Don't worry.

Speaker 1 (01:20:42):
What's your next question? Sannah?

Speaker 6 (01:20:44):
Okay, okay. In the song jingle bells bu boom boom boom,
you know the words, what is the name of the horse? Oh?

Speaker 1 (01:20:53):
Come on, well, that's it's jingle.

Speaker 6 (01:20:57):
No, no, it's not jingle, it's it's well, let's sing
that song again. Hells on bobtail bob tails made makee
king spear or rain make king spearit's raw quote quoted
you know, yeah, it's bob tail, but fun pact. That's
also the kind of horse. It's the name of the horse,

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and it takes a special uh saddle rig on there,
just like the reindeer. Uh that's designed specifically for bobtails.

Speaker 1 (01:21:30):
Interesting. Interesting, next question, Stanna, Okay, what is a bumble?

Speaker 6 (01:21:38):
Now?

Speaker 1 (01:21:38):
This one I know because I've watched Rudolph so many
times and the story is one of my favorites. It
is the abominable snow monster.

Speaker 5 (01:21:49):
Good good, good, you're you're you're doing good most people.
Most people don't know that, They just know him, know
him as abominable and uh yeah, but good friend Yukon Cornelius,
how's about bumble or as you recall, he says, because
bumbles tell you called He's quite a character. Okay from

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pronoun Since you know it so well, what is Rudolph's
girlfriend's name?

Speaker 1 (01:22:21):
She was so nice to him?

Speaker 6 (01:22:24):
Right, exactly exactly And if you have if you have
a hard time remembering that, you can always remember the
silence of the lamps. No, I'm just kidnapped. Her name
was Clari's too, but I don't want you to envision,
you know.

Speaker 1 (01:22:41):
Yeah, there we go that man. Let's just move on
to the next question.

Speaker 6 (01:22:45):
Please, Okay, Now here's the stumper. This one always gets them.
How many reindeer are there? You count them off?

Speaker 1 (01:22:55):
There are a nine dasher, dancer, Prancer, Vic's a comic cube,
Donner Blitzen, and of course Rudolph.

Speaker 6 (01:23:03):
Well, actually there's eleven. There's eleven uh and if you
sing the song, it says all of the uh the
reindeers right right, and then of course towards you end
of the song it's uh then how then? How what's
the DEEI hirer? That's then? How the reindeer loved him?

Speaker 1 (01:23:25):
Huh? Okay, I did I didn't know that. I didn't
know that. Santa. Where's the where's the drums when you
need it? Right there? Santa Claus joining us? Okay, Santa,
we do have to go back earlier. We had President
Trump on the show, and while he resolved the strike,
there have been tariffs on the North Pole, and it

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initially it was a little testy. Take a listen to this.
Why are you tariffing the North Pole? Why won't that
make Santa's job more difficult?

Speaker 4 (01:23:57):
I tried sanctions and Frank, please, I'm not letting very
many people in from the North fall at all and
him flying over our airspace is very threatening to me.
We've got one of our genuine hot Rod Venezuela drones
tracking him this year.

Speaker 1 (01:24:18):
And he went on well after I talked about how
damaging terrors are to Christmas. We had this revelation, Santa,
and I want your reaction.

Speaker 4 (01:24:28):
Also. I'm rethinking my terraff on the North pall after
after speaking with you, Jimmy, I'm thinking of change, quick change,
quick change. Santa's coming, Sanna's coming here. I'm very excited.
Police navidad that's Spanish for something about Christmas.

Speaker 1 (01:24:45):
Merry Christmas. Yes, carow on you.

Speaker 4 (01:24:48):
Police nab me DoD. That's the story. That's a different story.
Police knob me DoD.

Speaker 1 (01:24:55):
A Santa, we just heard there that the tariffs are
going to be lifted on the North Pole. Excited are you?
Just before Christmas?

Speaker 6 (01:25:02):
And the President Trump assured me on the secret Santa
cell phone, Uh, just this afternoon that the tariffs would
be listed lifted and I would fly unencumbered over the
entire world and deliver all my presents to the good
poisoned girls of the world, and that he would not interfere.

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And uh we we have the permission, and of course,
uh Norrad will be tracking us and following us the
entire night. So uh yeah, that's that's very exciting. And
uh I knew, I knew we could. We could get
something done there. You know, he's be reasonable.

Speaker 1 (01:25:42):
You know, by the way, Norradsanta dot Org is of
course the place where a nor Ad tracks Santa Claus
on his trajectory throughout Christmas Eve. Nor Ad Santa dot Org. Now, Santa,
I know that the tariff issue has been resolved, at
least for the North Pole. I'd love the Christmas miracle.

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Let's get rid of all tariffs across the world right now,
But unfortunately I don't think that's a gift you could bring.
But before that resolution, I believe there was a poem
that you had written or something like that. Can you
share with us?

Speaker 6 (01:26:18):
Oh yeah, And in the spirit of bold the original Gridge,
I'm gonna read it in my favorite actor from your
Boris Cardoff. I'm gonna read it in his voice. Okay,
please do.

Speaker 1 (01:26:30):
Please do.

Speaker 6 (01:26:34):
Every Blue in the Blue States hated Christmas a lot,
but the reds in the Red.

Speaker 4 (01:26:39):
States, however, they did not.

Speaker 6 (01:26:41):
The Blues hate this holiday. There are reasons, just so
they can't stand the word Christmas has christ, don't you know?
They claim the economy gets a bad rent, so now
they can't buy all their cheap Chinese crap. Then Trump
caught an idea, a horribly wonderful, awful idea. I got

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a new plan.

Speaker 4 (01:27:05):
I know it.

Speaker 6 (01:27:06):
I'll do. I'll install some more tariffs. Really give them
a screw. I'll ruin their Christmas with executive orders doubling
the cost of their phones and recorders. The Blues, they
complained of empty holiday stockings. They ranted and raved in
posts and kicktokings. But the Reds don't listen to ifs

(01:27:28):
and and pots. They saved enough money thanks to the
tax cuts, so Christmas came anyway, despite protests and shouts.
Now the Blues know what it is to elf around
and find.

Speaker 1 (01:27:44):
Out that's that's a political fund. Santa. Oh my goodness,
you have such a fun political mind.

Speaker 6 (01:27:53):
Santa.

Speaker 1 (01:27:54):
We are we are out of time here on the program.
I wanted to ask you to share some final words
on this Christmas eve eve.

Speaker 4 (01:28:04):
Well, I just want to.

Speaker 6 (01:28:05):
Make sure that everybody has a little piece on eors
and good world towards men and well with all those tariffs,
that's about the only one in the place that people
can afford to shop for Christmas, well was silly. Merry
Christmas everyone, Mr Christmas to all, unto all, good night.

Speaker 1 (01:28:30):
Thank you Santa Claus once again, good old Saint Nick
joining us here on a KOA and we appreciate the
fun time with him. I did get as we wrap
up the program today, and thanks for being along for
the ride this morning on KOA. Jimmy Sangenberger in for

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Michael Brown. Listeners wondering where the band is playing next.
The Jimmy Junior Blues Band's next gig on the calendar
to round out the year where playing New Year's E
from eight to eleven PM at t Birds in wheat Ridge.
I think that's forty fourth and Kipling. They're having us

(01:29:11):
back there for some New Year's E festivities and then
we'll see in the new year where we get scheduled.
But you better believe the Jimmy Junior Blues Band will
be performing a lot more come twenty twenty six. Looking
forward to that. Jimmy Junior Music dot Com or the
website and Jimmy Junior Blues Band you can search on Facebook.

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So that's coming up New Year's Eve and also next week,
by the way, with the exception of New Year's Day,
I will be in right here on KOA filling in
for ros Kiminski. Ros Kiminsky on the News with Gina Gondek.
We will be doing the show coming up Monday, Tuesday,
Wednesday and Friday next week. I'm looking forward to New

(01:29:58):
Year's Eve. I'll start early morning on KOA from six
to nine and then that night Jimmy Junior Blues Band
eight to eleven at Tea Birds in wheat Ridge. Going
to have a great time, have a very merry Christmas.
I hope you enjoyed today's show. What a lot of
fun can we have on the program, and we do it,

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we do it in style, We have a great time
and you make it happen. Thank you so much for
being along with us today. Have a very, very merry Christmas.
We'll see you next week six to nine. I'll be
in for Ross on Monday, and as I always close,
May God bless America.