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Speaker 1 (00:10):
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American Stories dot com with some of our favor Mike
Levin was President and Chief operating officer of Las Vegas
Sands Corporation, one of the great hoteliers of all time,
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a legend in his business. He also happens to be
a friend who almost every time I talk to him,
I learned something about him, myself and life. He's what
you would call a wise man, and we need more
wisdom in this country, and we love bringing wisdom to
this show. Up next is the story Mike tells about
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his time in law school. Mike had graduated from Tufts.
He's a Boston guy, a diehard Patriots fan. Will forgive
him for that. And in the end, this is a
story about empathy and about life. And he's a businessman
talking about empathy, and ordinarily you wouldn't think that would happen.
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Let's hear my in his story.
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TuS was a really great experience and prepared me to
go to law school. So I applied to law school
and I took the elsats, and I'm never a great
test taker, but I scored in those years seventy five
or seventy eight percent or something like that. So I
decided I'd applied to all the best law schools except
have It and Yale. So I applied to a Columbia,
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I applied to Stanford, I applied to Michigan. I applied
to NYU and the University of Chicago, which at that time,
those are the highest rate of schools. I got into
all of those schools in law school, and even with
my ELSAT test a little easier then, and I got
a scholarship to the University of Chicago, UH, because they
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were they were trying to recruit from the East Coast,
and Tufts had the right to pick a students who
was getting in to take the scholarship. So I got
a scholarship, and I did get into Columbia. But how
fate works, I was supposed to go to Columbia with
a good friend of mine from Toft's, a guy named
Robert Field, and he uh his father had a law firm,
was partners of law firm in New York City, and
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he said, go to law school with me and then
we can work and the firm together. I said, oh gee,
that's a ready made job. M I said, great, we'll
go to school together. Well, he didn't get into Columbia
and I did, so I decided not to go to
Columbia and take the scholarship and go to Chicago. So
that changed my life too, and I I worked my
butt off in Chicago. I was lonely. It was the
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first time, other than other than summer camp, that I
was away from home that far. But I I really
put my nose to the grindstone. I took my my
Latin school study habits into law school. We had five courses.
In the first it was a trimester. We took the exams.
I went home for Christmas, and when I got back,
I got my marks and I did very well on
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four of the courses, and on one course I got
a forty one. It was a contracts course. And uh,
of all the courses to get a forty one on
you would think that no one in the world and
contracts could possibly get a lousy mark in contracts. I mean,
it's really a relatively simplistic course compared at the criminal
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law and real estate and a few of the other
things I was taking. Anyway, the professor of the course
was a guy named Malcolm Sharp. All I knew about
Malcolm Shark. It was his book that we were using,
and uh that he had been one of the criminal
lawyers defending the Rosenberg trial with the two spies that
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were eventually executed for treason in the United States. So
he was a pretty famous guy. And he started the
class and he said, if anybody had any questions about
their exam, please come and see me. Well, I'm now,
uh this had been this was nineteen fifty nine, nineteen sixty,
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I'm now twenty one or twenty two. And uh, I'd
never talked to a teacher ever. I I never went
about a mark. You know, teachers were authority figures. I
mean we I grew up with teachers and policemen and
firemen and like a rabbi or a priest or anybody else,
I mean authority figures, you know, Yes, sir, yes, sir,
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I mean that's the way I was taught. And so
I said, well, I guess I'd better go see this guy,
cause I think I'm gonna flunk. So I went to
see Malcolm Shop and I'm terrified. I go in and
I and he said, well, why are you here eleven?
And I said, I'm here because I don't understand why
I got a forty one. And he said to me,
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I'll never forget it. He said to me, you don't
understand contracts. And I don't think he ever will. And
I left and I went back to my room. I
got my books. I went to the bookstore. I sold
my books. Back to the bookstore. My roommate was a
guy named Richard Bogozi and who went the toughs with me,
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A terrific guy for me. Became an ambassador to Nigeria.
He was in Foreign service and wonderful guy. I said,
I'm leaving. I'm getting in my car. I had a
fifty nine Bolkswagon that I m I got for graduation.
It was fifteen hundred and sixty five dollars. And uh uh,
I'm gonna get my car, pack up and go home.
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And so he said, don't go, don't go. I said, no,
I'm going. I sold my books. Next thing you know,
I got a call from the Dean, Edmund Levy. We
came eventually the attorney generally the United States. He said,
I'd like to see her. I went to see him.
I told him the story. He said, please don't go.
He said, you finished the year. You're gonna be fine.
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Don't worry about it. You'll I mean he knew the
contract of all the courses. The contract was probably not
that you know. I mean, you don't have to be
a genius to pass a contract course. I mean the
way they did it in those days. So I I, uh,
I said, no, I'm going. I wrote a letter to
my parents so the letter would arrive before I got there.
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But this is an interesting story because if I could
redo it, I would have finished the first year. I
think it was a bad decision on my part. It
was an emotional It was just so difficult to think
that I could, I could get such a lousy mark.
So I I. I drove home. It was about a
nineteen hour drive at the time. I had to sing
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on the way home in the car to keep myself
from falling asleep. I got home. I had no idea
what my parents were gonna say. I was the first
graduate student person, you know, to get a professional degree.
You know, you can imagine for what that means to
Christ generation Americans and what have you?
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You, and when we come back, more of what happens
next as Mike returns to his family, no diploma in hand.
Mike Levin's story continues here on Our American Story Folks,
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he had just quit the University of Chicago because he
got a wickedly bad grade from a very tough and
in the end mean contracts professor, saying and speaking over
somebody that they'll never do better. It's just ugly, it's
just mean. Mike's returning home. Let's listen to what happens next.
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So I walked up the door and the door was open.
My father was standing at the door and he said,
welcome home. And after a tearful greeting, when we had
dinner that night, they said to me, what are you
going to do? And I said, well, I said, Boston
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University's down the street. Let me take a look at
some graduate programs. Maybe able to get a degree in something.
And uh, and that's how everything else started. As I
went to Boston University, got into a masses and public
relations and communications and was a yell on program with
a thesis. And I had a lot of time on
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my hands. I had been a camp counselor over the summers,
and a director of athletics and assistant head counselor. I
have had some administrative jobs and whatever. And there was
a part time job posted and I thought I could
make some money and pay as I was going and uh,
it was at the Morgan Memorial Home for Boys, and
it was sort of like an assistant social worker said, well,
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I had to be close to being a counselor a camp,
you know, the same kind of thing. And I went
down there and uh, I get greeted by a guy
whose name was John Mooreland. He was about six or five,
must have gone two fifty founded. He as a former
football player for Grambling at All Black College, and he
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was a PhD in s in the social work. Took
my resume, you know, he talked to me. He said, okay,
I'm gonna give you the job. And he said to me,
you never worked for a black guy, have you said no, I.
I didn't make any difference to me. I didn't care anyway.
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I had a nice experience there for the year. And
at the end of the year, doctor Morland Uh calls
me in the office and I said, look, I'm gonna
be looking for a job. He said, I'll tell you what.
He said, I'll hire you here. Why don't you become
permanent And he said, I'll pay for you to get
a master's degree in social work. I said, I I
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I need to make more money. I'm getting married in May,
and I don't know if I could afford to be
married Uh in this situation. So I said, will you
write me a letter of recommendation? And he said sure,
and Uh. I saved the letter. I I could read
it to you. Yeah, and it says, to whom we
may concern, it gives me a great deal of pleasure
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to recommend to you Michael A. Levin. The young man
came to work with us about a year ago, and
during this period has contributed a great deal to the
efficiency of our unit. However, there are several intangibles beyond
efficiency which have accrued to us in consequence of his presidence.
He is jovial, personable and intelligent fellow. He has been
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found to be circumspect and is dealing with all members
of the organization. He has made up for lack of
experience by initiative, desire and in short heart and thoughtful work.
He put his heart into his job at all times.
Mister Levin will be an asset to anyone, whether in
an employment or a social situation. Lastly, I can only
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say mister Levin's present will be very much missed. This
young man has an excellent future in store for him.
His executive potential is paramount. Thank you, sincerely, yours, JB. Morland.
To this day, every time I look at that letter,
I I I I don't understand how he possibly could
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have known in one year, with the exposure I had
working thirty hours a week, that that description of me
could be written. I I I I don't I I
I don't don't ever remember being jovial. I don't remember.
I know I I you know, I know I worked hard.
I know I read all the files I know about
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I leer. I wanted to learn about the kids that
were in the home, so I kept pulling the files
out and understand they were fifteen or so resident kids.
And I remember that one was a descendant of Ulysses S. Grant,
the President of the United States family, and and they
were troubled kids, and that his his parents were all military,
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and they made him sit at attention at the table
when he was one or two years old. It was
in the It was stuck in my head. And and
there it was a very race mixed group. Uh no
one cared. I mean it was very integrated. And and
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the ability to be able to project yourself into the
into the into someone else's position and emphasize with them,
Like I talk a lot about when you have to
terminate somebody and about terminations and firing. It's the most
hideous thing you have to do unless the person's a
thief or a rapist or something like that. But for
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the lack of being able to perform the job, I mean,
I would put myself in a situation of thinking about
what do you think it feels like when somebody tells
you you can't perform anything? And I think that the
experience with Malcolm Shop was really one that that always
stayed with me. How could the guy do that to
me when all he had to do was to say,
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mister Levin, let me, let me explain to you how
you could have done from a forty one to a
sixty one. I want to help you. My whole life
would have changed on that page. Now I don't think
I know it'll change favorably or not, but it would
have changed. So when you have when you're in a position,
an authoritative position, your responsibility with people and customers has
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to be how do you help them? Not how do
you hurt them? And I and I you know, you
know something. I don't think it's any different with your children.
When you bring up your children. I mean, nobody has
experience being a parent as their parent you get, you know,
you're learning from day one. What's the difference between a
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child and your employee. What's the difference between a child
and your customer? It's the same thing. It's being able
to say, can you project yourself into what it feels like.
So when I began to develop a a termination technique
to say, look, I made a mistake, and the person
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looks at me and saying eh, I said, I don't
think the job fits. I should have thought better. I
want to take some responsibility, but you have to go.
And how was that difference saying you failed, You're out.
I'm disappointed in your performance. And I you know, when
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I was a high school basketball player, and I was
a pretty good player. In the state tournament, I played
thirty seconds. The last thirty seconds, I wasn't on the
floor or the last minute or so he just put
me in. My parents are at the game because I
was a sixth man basically. So the next season was
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an alumni game and I came back from Tufts where
I was playing some freshion basketball and I had improved
a lot. I scored twenty two points in the alumni
game and the coach came over to me afterwards. He said, Mike,
he said, where were you last year? I took my
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finger and I pointed to the corner of the bench.
I was there, you know. He said, Oh, so I
think after all I said and done with all this
we could walk through job after the job after job.
But you know, and I know, people don't change. They
are who they are. And many years later, you know,
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I ran into a guy from a professor of law
school at Duke was on a board with me, and
he happened to know who Malcolm Shop was and he said, oh,
I can understand it. He'd behaved that way with everybody.
Speaker 1 (16:53):
And you've been listening to Mike Levin and now you
know why we tell you he's one of the wise men.
He liked bringing voices from every walk of life here
on this show. Mike obviously running the Las Vegas Sands
no small feat, helping move and create holiday in worldwide,
one of the great hoteliers. But in the end, it's
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his human nature and his humanity that always comes to
the fore. Talk to anybody about Mike, they'll tell you.
And by the way, if you have a leader in
your community, somebody in the business world, a church leader wherever,
an education person. My dad was a great leader at
a school system where he was a superintendent for twenty years,
we'd love to hear their voice bring wisdom across the
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airwaves and love and Mike epitomizes both words. Mike Levin's
storytelling his wisdom here on our American Stories