February 28, 2025 • 17 mins
On this episode of Our American Stories, Lowell Lytle is one of the privileged few who have seen Titanic first-hand. Lowell has played the part of Captain Smith at Titanic events all over the globe and has been entertaining guests at the Titanic Museum for more than fifteen years. He's also the author of the inspiring read, Diving Into The Deep. Here’s Lowell Lytle to tell his story and the story of The Titanic’s Last Hero.
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Speaker 1 (00:10):
And we continue with our American stories. More people have
ventured into outer space that have been to wear The
Titanic rests two and a half miles down on the
ocean floor. Lowell Litel has been one of the privileged
few who has seen the Titanic firsthand. Lowell has played
the part of Captain Smith at Titanic events all over
(00:30):
the globe, and he's been entertaining guests at the Titanic
Museum for more than fifteen years. Here's Lowell Litel to
tell his story and the story of the Titanic's last hero.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
How do you do this? Is Lowel Litel.
Speaker 3 (00:54):
I have an unusual story to tell you. I was
home minding my own business way back in nineteen eighty seven.
I heard about the Titanic. They've discovered it, and when
do you know? I got a phone call from the
(01:15):
designer that was building an exhibit.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
Orlando on the Titanic. He called me.
Speaker 3 (01:22):
He said, Lo, we've gone through three hundred and fifty actors.
Speaker 2 (01:25):
Here in Orlando. Can't find a captain. He said.
Speaker 3 (01:30):
I told these men, I know someone that can play
that part. He's my next door neighbor. He used to
be a lead singer one of my rock and roll bands.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
I had eight.
Speaker 3 (01:42):
Bands for twenty two years tour in the United States
and Canada. And I went over there on a hoho
just to see what was all about. And he opened
the door and there was six men sitting around the
table and he said, gentlemen, here's captain. They took one
look at me and they said, yep, you're it. I
(02:05):
didn't know what the captain looked like, but an hour
later I went through that souvenir shop and I saw
the front page of the New York Times nineteen twelve
picture of Captain Smith looking right at me. And my
first thought was, my neighbor has taken my picture and
pasted it on the front page of the New York Times.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
He shouldn't do that. That's wrong.
Speaker 3 (02:30):
Well, I was there for about two years, and then
I heard they were going to dive to the Titanic,
and I thought, oh, that would be nice if I
could do that. So I called him and they said no.
I waited two weeks and I called him again and
I said, I'd like to go down to the titan again.
(02:51):
They said no, no, that's for archaeologists and important people,
wealthy people people have climbed Mount Everest millionaires. I waited
two more weeks, and I you know, I remember Winston
Churchill made a famous speech during World War Two. He said,
(03:13):
we won't fight him in the air, we won't fight
him on land. We will fight him at sea, but
we will never surrender. I remember that he was invited
to speak at Harvard University after the war, and the
professor said that the students get your pads and pen's ready,
(03:36):
cause when this man speaks, it's wisdom. They flew him
over from England. The old man hobble up the microphone
and he said, never give up. Never never, never, never
give up. And he turned around his sat down. I
never forgot that that was the best speech I ever heard.
(04:00):
I called him again and I said, I'm the captain
of the Titanic. I'm in front of the camera, I'm
in everyone's home. I'm the one just talking about your exhibit.
I believe if the meeting could say this man's been
down to see this ship, more people would be interested
what have to say about it? And you'll get more
(04:22):
people there and you'll make more money. It got quite
on the other in the phone. Then the man said,
I think you're right, come along. So I actually packed
up and I went to Saint John's, Newfoundland, that's where
you leave from. And I got there and they looked
at me and they said, you're too tall. You won't
fit in there. I said, I'll fit in there now.
(04:46):
I'm six foot four. I'm the tallest and the oldest
has ever been down to the tight Tanning. I was
sixty eight at the time. M I said, I'll fit
in there. Well, we don't have a fire suit big
enough for you. Fire suit? What's this about a fire?
(05:08):
Whether you'll be breathing one hundred percent oxygen, it could
flash to a fire like Apollo one did. Well, if
that's the case, I'll be burnt to a crisp in
ten seconds. What good is a suit, they said, Well,
your name will be written on it. It's for identification, identification.
(05:28):
I'm that tall guy down there. Well, anyway, I got
into suit. That suit was a little too small, but
I did get in one. Now, when I got on
the Academy keels that Russian dye vessel, I notice on
the back end of one of those subs the protective
(05:50):
shield that went around the propeller was held together with
duct tape. Now that doesn't breed a lot of confidence.
And I'm thinking to myself, I really wanted.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
To do this.
Speaker 3 (06:05):
All I could think of is, well, I've lived a
long life. I'm sixty eight. If I die, I know
where I'm going. That's the important thing.
Speaker 2 (06:17):
And if I come back, I'll have a story to tell.
Speaker 3 (06:22):
And I came back, and I'd been telling that story
for twenty one years all around the world. I told
it in Shanghai, China for two weeks. I told it
in Singapore for two weeks. I've been every state in
the United States, every providence in Canada where they've had
these Titanic exhibits, sometimes two or three times different cities.
(06:48):
One day, I was eating dinner. Now there's twice as
many people out there that would like to go down,
that would get a chance. So I knew I didn't
have any chance. But whi I was eating, that fellow
that I talked to on the phone came over to me,
bent over and said to me, Lowell, you're going down
(07:08):
in the morning, And.
Speaker 1 (07:10):
What a unique and original voice we're listening to. And
that is, of course the voice of Loe Litel, who
plays the part and has been playing the part of
Captain Smith when we come back more of Lowell Litel's
story here on Our American Stories.
Speaker 4 (07:28):
Lia beebe here host of our American Stories, where you'll
hear stories about everything from the arts to sports, from
business to history. And we're proud our show can now
be heard on Virginia Beach's Talk Radio ninety six point
five and eight fifty wtaar weekdays ten pm to one am.
Our American Stories with me Leah Bibe now on weekdays
(07:51):
on Talk Radio ninety six five and eight fifty WTAR
in Virginia Beach, Virginia.
Speaker 1 (08:09):
And we continue with our American Stories and with Lowell
Litel's story about being one of the privileged few who's
seen the Titanic firsthand and who also happens to play
the part of Captain Smith at Titanic events all over
the globe. Let's return to the Lowe Litel and his story.
Speaker 3 (08:30):
Oh my goodness, my heart began to pound. I couldn't
believe it. They're going to let me go down to
the titany Well, Fox Television follow me all around like
it was an astronaut. Now you, first of all, you
gotta take your shoes off because in the event that
you pick up any oil from that mother ship walking
(08:52):
on the deck and breathing one hundred percent oxygen, it
could if there's a spark, that would be it. So
I took my shoes off, I got inside and in
my long legs. When you know, I kicked over the
oxy didn't tank. Boy, it didn't take long before that
Russian pilot came alive and straightened that thing out.
Speaker 2 (09:15):
Now I got no place to sit.
Speaker 3 (09:19):
I'm in a ball and six and a half eat
in diameter, nineteen inches thick, and there's three grown men
in there, and it takes two and a half hours
to get down two and a half miles to the
rex out. They turn off all the lights to conserve
(09:41):
the batteries. Now they turned that hatch down tight, and
I knew then I couldn't.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
Change my mind. I can't see anything.
Speaker 3 (09:53):
All I can do is think about what I'm about
to see. I'm not going to see a movie. I'm
going to see the real thing. And when they turned
on the lights, the Russian pott says, we're almost there,
and I didn't like what I saw. We were going
(10:13):
too fast and we bounce off the ocean floor. Oh
my goodness, Oh my goodness. Course it took five minutes
for all that dust to settle down. And the first
thing that I noticed was the sea life. It was
so strange. There's no light that far down on the
(10:33):
ocean floor, no sun. So the crabs are white. The
starfish that thirteen inches in diameter five points, but none
of'em any larger than their the little finger. Now, when
they had turned on the lights moments later, I was
right over the bow, the same spot where Jack and
(10:56):
the movie held out his arms that I'm the King
of the world. Went right over that spot. I said,
take me to the captain's cabin. James Cameron said, the
side was already gone. They took me there. I was
five feet from the captain's bath for ten minutes while
they were changing film. I found a wretch down there.
(11:19):
The mouth on it was thirteen inches across, sticking straight
up in the ocean floor like somebody throwing the the javelin.
And I noticed, while I was picking items up off
the ocean floor there was a hat. It looked like
a Derby hat, and it was in mint condition. There's
no current that far down, And I told the Russian
(11:42):
pilot to go get that and he did. There's two
mechanical arms in the outside of that sub and he
picked it up and they pushed a button and a
basket went out from underneath, and he'd let go of
it to fall into the basket and it disappeared like
a cloud. The micro organisms they're eating up that ship
(12:03):
at such a tremendous rate, it's gonna be an orange
spot on the ocean floor within a hundred years now.
I think that hat was probably made out of felt.
Had it been made out of leather, it probably could
make it because those micro organisms that do not like
(12:23):
the tanning process of leather, it repels them their shoes
and hats and bags. That's why you see those things.
Found enough items that I thought to myself, I just
gonna stay focused on this and not not get involved emotionally.
(12:43):
But after an hour and a half, all I could
think of was what really took place at night? Fifteen
hundred souls slipped into eternity. All of them had plans
to get to New York, can start a new life.
It never happened. Life can be short, folks. Make sure
(13:05):
you tell your loved one every day how much you
love them, and you better know where you're going because
it's going to happen to every one of us. We're
all going to die at one time or another. When
it happens, it'll be too soon. Just remember this eternity.
Speaker 2 (13:23):
Is a long time to be wrong. Get it right.
Speaker 3 (13:30):
In fact, there's a story about a second class passenger's
name is Reverend John Harper. There's a book entitled The
Titanic's Last Hero. It's about Reverend Harper, and he was
on his way to Chicago to preach. He had a
revival service before he left, and he told the people
(13:56):
in that service he said he was going to go
to New York on that new ship called the Titanic.
The next week, after the service, one of his parishioners
came up to him and said, Reverend, I have a
bad feeling about that ship. I am an ominous feeling
that something bad's going to take place. I feel so
(14:19):
strongly about it. I want you. I want you to
go to New York, but I don't want you to
get on the ship. Please take the Lusitania. I'll even
pay for your ticket. Reverend Harper thound about it. He says, no,
(14:39):
the Apostle Paul wouldn't run away from danger. If anything happens,
I'm ready. And it happened. And when that Titanic started
to go down, that Baptist minister ran around the deck
shouting women and children and unsaved people get aboard the lifeboats.
Speaker 2 (15:01):
You just can't keep these Baptists quiet.
Speaker 3 (15:05):
He even gave his life fest to a man that
was not a Christian. His daughter Anna was standing right
next to him, and the sister Law was standing next
to him. They both survived. The sister Law overheard the
reverend when he gave that life fest to that man.
(15:26):
He said, here, take this, I don't need it. I'm
not going down. I'm going out. He's in the water
now twenty eight degrees. It feels like a thousand knives
stebbing in and a man drifted buying a piece of wood,
and Rever Harper shouted to the man, how.
Speaker 2 (15:48):
Are you saved? The man said no.
Speaker 3 (15:52):
Reverend Harper shouted, believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and
thou shalt be saved. The man drifted off into the dark,
and later the current drew him back, and Reverend Harper
again shouted to the man, how are you saved yet?
The man said, I can honestly say that I am.
(16:14):
Reverend Harper's last words were believe on the Lord Jesus Christ,
and nought shalt be saved. And with that the Reverend
slipped under the water and went to that frozen watery grave.
There were twelve people pulled from the water that night.
Six of them lived.
Speaker 2 (16:36):
That man was one of them.
Speaker 3 (16:38):
And that story was told a few weeks later in Hamilton,
Ontario by that same man who said, I listened to
Reverend Harper's last message and became a believer in Jesus Christ.
With two miles of water beneath me, Titanic's last hero,
(17:00):
John Harper.
Speaker 2 (17:02):
God bless you, folks.
Speaker 1 (17:05):
And what a piece is storytelling by Lowell Litel, not
only his story, not only his passion for the Titanic,
but telling the story of the Titanic's last hero as
well as perhaps only he can do. We haven't had
many better storytellers on this show, and many better stories.
(17:25):
A special thanks to Lowell Litel for sharing his story.
He has been entertaining guests at the Titanic Museum for
more than fifteen years. He is also the author of
the inspiring read Diving into the deep. Lowell Litel's story,
the story of the Titanic. Here on our American stories
And we continue with our American stories. More people have
ventured into outer space that have been to wear The
Titanic rests two and a half miles down on the
ocean floor. Lowell Litel has been one of the privileged
few who has seen the Titanic firsthand. Lowell has played
the part of Captain Smith at Titanic events all over
(00:30):
the globe, and he's been entertaining guests at the Titanic
Museum for more than fifteen years. Here's Lowell Litel to
tell his story and the story of the Titanic's last hero.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
How do you do this? Is Lowel Litel.
Speaker 3 (00:54):
I have an unusual story to tell you. I was
home minding my own business way back in nineteen eighty seven.
I heard about the Titanic. They've discovered it, and when
do you know? I got a phone call from the
(01:15):
designer that was building an exhibit.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
Orlando on the Titanic. He called me.
Speaker 3 (01:22):
He said, Lo, we've gone through three hundred and fifty actors.
Speaker 2 (01:25):
Here in Orlando. Can't find a captain. He said.
Speaker 3 (01:30):
I told these men, I know someone that can play
that part. He's my next door neighbor. He used to
be a lead singer one of my rock and roll bands.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
I had eight.
Speaker 3 (01:42):
Bands for twenty two years tour in the United States
and Canada. And I went over there on a hoho
just to see what was all about. And he opened
the door and there was six men sitting around the
table and he said, gentlemen, here's captain. They took one
look at me and they said, yep, you're it. I
(02:05):
didn't know what the captain looked like, but an hour
later I went through that souvenir shop and I saw
the front page of the New York Times nineteen twelve
picture of Captain Smith looking right at me. And my
first thought was, my neighbor has taken my picture and
pasted it on the front page of the New York Times.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
He shouldn't do that. That's wrong.
Speaker 3 (02:30):
Well, I was there for about two years, and then
I heard they were going to dive to the Titanic,
and I thought, oh, that would be nice if I
could do that. So I called him and they said no.
I waited two weeks and I called him again and
I said, I'd like to go down to the titan again.
(02:51):
They said no, no, that's for archaeologists and important people,
wealthy people people have climbed Mount Everest millionaires. I waited
two more weeks, and I you know, I remember Winston
Churchill made a famous speech during World War Two. He said,
(03:13):
we won't fight him in the air, we won't fight
him on land. We will fight him at sea, but
we will never surrender. I remember that he was invited
to speak at Harvard University after the war, and the
professor said that the students get your pads and pen's ready,
(03:36):
cause when this man speaks, it's wisdom. They flew him
over from England. The old man hobble up the microphone
and he said, never give up. Never never, never, never
give up. And he turned around his sat down. I
never forgot that that was the best speech I ever heard.
(04:00):
I called him again and I said, I'm the captain
of the Titanic. I'm in front of the camera, I'm
in everyone's home. I'm the one just talking about your exhibit.
I believe if the meeting could say this man's been
down to see this ship, more people would be interested
what have to say about it? And you'll get more
(04:22):
people there and you'll make more money. It got quite
on the other in the phone. Then the man said,
I think you're right, come along. So I actually packed
up and I went to Saint John's, Newfoundland, that's where
you leave from. And I got there and they looked
at me and they said, you're too tall. You won't
fit in there. I said, I'll fit in there now.
(04:46):
I'm six foot four. I'm the tallest and the oldest
has ever been down to the tight Tanning. I was
sixty eight at the time. M I said, I'll fit
in there. Well, we don't have a fire suit big
enough for you. Fire suit? What's this about a fire?
(05:08):
Whether you'll be breathing one hundred percent oxygen, it could
flash to a fire like Apollo one did. Well, if
that's the case, I'll be burnt to a crisp in
ten seconds. What good is a suit, they said, Well,
your name will be written on it. It's for identification, identification.
(05:28):
I'm that tall guy down there. Well, anyway, I got
into suit. That suit was a little too small, but
I did get in one. Now, when I got on
the Academy keels that Russian dye vessel, I notice on
the back end of one of those subs the protective
(05:50):
shield that went around the propeller was held together with
duct tape. Now that doesn't breed a lot of confidence.
And I'm thinking to myself, I really wanted.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
To do this.
Speaker 3 (06:05):
All I could think of is, well, I've lived a
long life. I'm sixty eight. If I die, I know
where I'm going. That's the important thing.
Speaker 2 (06:17):
And if I come back, I'll have a story to tell.
Speaker 3 (06:22):
And I came back, and I'd been telling that story
for twenty one years all around the world. I told
it in Shanghai, China for two weeks. I told it
in Singapore for two weeks. I've been every state in
the United States, every providence in Canada where they've had
these Titanic exhibits, sometimes two or three times different cities.
(06:48):
One day, I was eating dinner. Now there's twice as
many people out there that would like to go down,
that would get a chance. So I knew I didn't
have any chance. But whi I was eating, that fellow
that I talked to on the phone came over to me,
bent over and said to me, Lowell, you're going down
(07:08):
in the morning, And.
Speaker 1 (07:10):
What a unique and original voice we're listening to. And
that is, of course the voice of Loe Litel, who
plays the part and has been playing the part of
Captain Smith when we come back more of Lowell Litel's
story here on Our American Stories.
Speaker 4 (07:28):
Lia beebe here host of our American Stories, where you'll
hear stories about everything from the arts to sports, from
business to history. And we're proud our show can now
be heard on Virginia Beach's Talk Radio ninety six point
five and eight fifty wtaar weekdays ten pm to one am.
Our American Stories with me Leah Bibe now on weekdays
(07:51):
on Talk Radio ninety six five and eight fifty WTAR
in Virginia Beach, Virginia.
Speaker 1 (08:09):
And we continue with our American Stories and with Lowell
Litel's story about being one of the privileged few who's
seen the Titanic firsthand and who also happens to play
the part of Captain Smith at Titanic events all over
the globe. Let's return to the Lowe Litel and his story.
Speaker 3 (08:30):
Oh my goodness, my heart began to pound. I couldn't
believe it. They're going to let me go down to
the titany Well, Fox Television follow me all around like
it was an astronaut. Now you, first of all, you
gotta take your shoes off because in the event that
you pick up any oil from that mother ship walking
(08:52):
on the deck and breathing one hundred percent oxygen, it
could if there's a spark, that would be it. So
I took my shoes off, I got inside and in
my long legs. When you know, I kicked over the
oxy didn't tank. Boy, it didn't take long before that
Russian pilot came alive and straightened that thing out.
Speaker 2 (09:15):
Now I got no place to sit.
Speaker 3 (09:19):
I'm in a ball and six and a half eat
in diameter, nineteen inches thick, and there's three grown men
in there, and it takes two and a half hours
to get down two and a half miles to the
rex out. They turn off all the lights to conserve
(09:41):
the batteries. Now they turned that hatch down tight, and
I knew then I couldn't.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
Change my mind. I can't see anything.
Speaker 3 (09:53):
All I can do is think about what I'm about
to see. I'm not going to see a movie. I'm
going to see the real thing. And when they turned
on the lights, the Russian pott says, we're almost there,
and I didn't like what I saw. We were going
(10:13):
too fast and we bounce off the ocean floor. Oh
my goodness, Oh my goodness. Course it took five minutes
for all that dust to settle down. And the first
thing that I noticed was the sea life. It was
so strange. There's no light that far down on the
(10:33):
ocean floor, no sun. So the crabs are white. The
starfish that thirteen inches in diameter five points, but none
of'em any larger than their the little finger. Now, when
they had turned on the lights moments later, I was
right over the bow, the same spot where Jack and
(10:56):
the movie held out his arms that I'm the King
of the world. Went right over that spot. I said,
take me to the captain's cabin. James Cameron said, the
side was already gone. They took me there. I was
five feet from the captain's bath for ten minutes while
they were changing film. I found a wretch down there.
(11:19):
The mouth on it was thirteen inches across, sticking straight
up in the ocean floor like somebody throwing the the javelin.
And I noticed, while I was picking items up off
the ocean floor there was a hat. It looked like
a Derby hat, and it was in mint condition. There's
no current that far down, And I told the Russian
(11:42):
pilot to go get that and he did. There's two
mechanical arms in the outside of that sub and he
picked it up and they pushed a button and a
basket went out from underneath, and he'd let go of
it to fall into the basket and it disappeared like
a cloud. The micro organisms they're eating up that ship
(12:03):
at such a tremendous rate, it's gonna be an orange
spot on the ocean floor within a hundred years now.
I think that hat was probably made out of felt.
Had it been made out of leather, it probably could
make it because those micro organisms that do not like
(12:23):
the tanning process of leather, it repels them their shoes
and hats and bags. That's why you see those things.
Found enough items that I thought to myself, I just
gonna stay focused on this and not not get involved emotionally.
(12:43):
But after an hour and a half, all I could
think of was what really took place at night? Fifteen
hundred souls slipped into eternity. All of them had plans
to get to New York, can start a new life.
It never happened. Life can be short, folks. Make sure
(13:05):
you tell your loved one every day how much you
love them, and you better know where you're going because
it's going to happen to every one of us. We're
all going to die at one time or another. When
it happens, it'll be too soon. Just remember this eternity.
Speaker 2 (13:23):
Is a long time to be wrong. Get it right.
Speaker 3 (13:30):
In fact, there's a story about a second class passenger's
name is Reverend John Harper. There's a book entitled The
Titanic's Last Hero. It's about Reverend Harper, and he was
on his way to Chicago to preach. He had a
revival service before he left, and he told the people
(13:56):
in that service he said he was going to go
to New York on that new ship called the Titanic.
The next week, after the service, one of his parishioners
came up to him and said, Reverend, I have a
bad feeling about that ship. I am an ominous feeling
that something bad's going to take place. I feel so
(14:19):
strongly about it. I want you. I want you to
go to New York, but I don't want you to
get on the ship. Please take the Lusitania. I'll even
pay for your ticket. Reverend Harper thound about it. He says, no,
(14:39):
the Apostle Paul wouldn't run away from danger. If anything happens,
I'm ready. And it happened. And when that Titanic started
to go down, that Baptist minister ran around the deck
shouting women and children and unsaved people get aboard the lifeboats.
Speaker 2 (15:01):
You just can't keep these Baptists quiet.
Speaker 3 (15:05):
He even gave his life fest to a man that
was not a Christian. His daughter Anna was standing right
next to him, and the sister Law was standing next
to him. They both survived. The sister Law overheard the
reverend when he gave that life fest to that man.
(15:26):
He said, here, take this, I don't need it. I'm
not going down. I'm going out. He's in the water
now twenty eight degrees. It feels like a thousand knives
stebbing in and a man drifted buying a piece of wood,
and Rever Harper shouted to the man, how.
Speaker 2 (15:48):
Are you saved? The man said no.
Speaker 3 (15:52):
Reverend Harper shouted, believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and
thou shalt be saved. The man drifted off into the dark,
and later the current drew him back, and Reverend Harper
again shouted to the man, how are you saved yet?
The man said, I can honestly say that I am.
(16:14):
Reverend Harper's last words were believe on the Lord Jesus Christ,
and nought shalt be saved. And with that the Reverend
slipped under the water and went to that frozen watery grave.
There were twelve people pulled from the water that night.
Six of them lived.
Speaker 2 (16:36):
That man was one of them.
Speaker 3 (16:38):
And that story was told a few weeks later in Hamilton,
Ontario by that same man who said, I listened to
Reverend Harper's last message and became a believer in Jesus Christ.
With two miles of water beneath me, Titanic's last hero,
(17:00):
John Harper.
Speaker 2 (17:02):
God bless you, folks.
Speaker 1 (17:05):
And what a piece is storytelling by Lowell Litel, not
only his story, not only his passion for the Titanic,
but telling the story of the Titanic's last hero as
well as perhaps only he can do. We haven't had
many better storytellers on this show, and many better stories.
(17:25):
A special thanks to Lowell Litel for sharing his story.
He has been entertaining guests at the Titanic Museum for
more than fifteen years. He is also the author of
the inspiring read Diving into the deep. Lowell Litel's story,
the story of the Titanic. Here on our American stories
Host
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