The Chad & Cheese Podcast

The Chad & Cheese Podcast

Everything people and workforce—recruiting, marketing, technology, talent management, and workforce economics—delivered with biting sarcasm and unapologetic snark. Industry misfits Chad Sowash and Joel Cheesman bring their no-holds-barred opinions to dissect news, trends, and the occasional dumpster fire. If you’re a hiring company, staffing firm, or vendor looking for insights (and a thick skin), these two won’t just tell you what’s happening—they’ll tell you why you’re probably doing it wrong. Buckle up, buttercup.

Episodes

Naughty & Nice 2025

December 19, 2025 • 46 mins
As the curtains close on 2025, The Chad & Cheese Podcast delivers one of its most explosive episode of the year: the annual Naughty & Nice Lists. Joined by Maureen “Mo” Clough for a dose of holiday chaos, the crew survives Joel’s recent sidewalk wipeout and a round of bourbon-fueled storytelling before diving into the heroes and villains of the industry. On the Nice List, the trio celebrates a small-business CEO’s grit against cr...
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Shredded: Beginly, ProviderJobs.com, Teal, Ramped, SHRM, Coursera, Udemy, & More

December 18, 2025 • 5 mins
The Shred is a weekly roundup of what’s making headlines in the world of employment. The Shred is brought to you today by Jobcase.
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5 Questions Before Buying w/ Alexis Meschi

December 16, 2025 • 36 mins
On the Chad & Cheese Podcast, hosts Joel Cheesman and Chad Sowash welcomed Alexis Meschi, the pasta-making, client-charming co-founder of Ora Marketing — not Aura, because apparently, we’re not glowing with ethereal vibes, but slinging strategic social media for recruiters and staffing agencies. Hailing from California’s Bay Area, Alexis, a former school teacher with three young adult daughters (who occasionally crave Taco Bell o...
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LinkedIn's Trust Tree

December 12, 2025 • 47 mins
This week, the gang kicks things off with LinkedIn’s shiny new 100-million-strong verification army, because nothing says “I’m a real human” like flashing a blue badge that apparently gets you 60% more profile views and 50% more love on posts (fake LinkedIn influencers are sweating bullets right now). Then the trio dissects Findem’s mysterious acquisition, wondering if it's a path to riches for job boards or a one-way ticket to o...
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Shredded: Pine, Fronted, Findem, Getro, & More

December 11, 2025 • 4 mins
The Shred is a weekly roundup of what’s making headlines in the world of employment. The Shred is brought to you today by Jobcase.
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You're Doing AI Wrong with Charlene Li

December 9, 2025 • 38 mins
Charlene Li joins Chad and Cheese to tackle the messy reality of AI in the workplace, stressing that while the technology is hyped, successful adoption is always about people, not tech. She exposes the painful truth: 95% of AI pilots never scale because leaders treat it like a technology implementation, not a strategic transformation. To win, organizations must form a Minimally Viable Team (MVT) that includes HR and key strategic...
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VONQ Goes Hollywood & Indeed Builds a Death Star

December 5, 2025 • 51 mins
Strap in, kids — this week on The Chad & Cheese Podcast, the gang returns from skiing, globetrotting, and loudly judging their Spotify Wrapped to break down a blockbuster week in TA. First up: VONQ drops its biggest launch in years, rolling out its shiny new “Echo” platform like they're gunning for an Apple keynote. Did they finally build something the industry actually needs? Did they actually stick the landing? And is this the o...
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Shredded: Tutor Intelligence, Jeeva AI, Helio AI , Pack, GoTu, Cyberr, LizzyAI, & More

December 4, 2025 • 6 mins
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ICE, ICE Baby with Desiree Throckmorton

December 2, 2025 • 28 mins
In this episode of The Chad & Cheese Podcast, hosts Joel Cheesman and Chad Sowash welcome Desiree Throckmorton, senior consultant at OutSolve and former Kaiser Permanente TA manager, for a deep dive into the escalating world of I-9 compliance amid unprecedented ICE enforcement. Desiree breaks down I-9 fundamentals: a decades-old (1980s) federal mandate requiring employers to verify every new hire’s identity and work authorization...
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TURKEYS: Indeed, Randstad, SHRM and....

November 28, 2025 • 42 mins
In this turkey-fueled episode of The Chad & Cheese Podcast, the boys stuff themselves like it’s Thanksgiving every day (because, let’s be honest, their content diet is already 90% gravy) with a little help from their friends - J.T. O'Donnell, Allyn Baily, Mo' Clough, Julie Sowash and Michelle Meehan. They kick things off by swapping heartwarming family traditions—like which uncle still thinks “pass the stuffing” is code for “pass...
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From Hi to Hired w/ Julia Levy

November 25, 2025 • 31 mins
On the Chad & Cheese Podcast, hosts Joel Cheesman and Chad Sowash welcomed Julia Levy, a seasoned talent acquisition (TA) leader, job search strategist, HR tech advisor, and author of From Hi to Hired: Your Insider Guide to Internships. Julia, recently departed from AutoZone, shared her 25+ years of TA experience across diverse industries, including tech consulting, staffing (Robert Half), financial services (MetLife, Fiserv), an...
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Zoom & Workday Get Busy

November 21, 2025 • 41 mins
Zoom just bought AI interview intelligence darling BrightHire. Chad and Joel discuss why this is a savvy chess move to stop Microsoft Teams, and if the brand will really survive the deal. Moving on, Meta says your 2026 performance review is an AI report card. We explain why every job is now a tech job and why Big Brother AI is watching. Verizon is yeeting 15,000 people. We go deep on the real, uncomfortable reasons behind their bi...
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Shredded: Zoom, BrightHire, Equifax, Vault Verify, Employ Inc., Jobot, Workday, & More

November 20, 2025 • 5 mins
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Team Intelligence w/ Jon Levy

November 18, 2025 • 35 mins
Forget everything you know about leadership. In the latest episode with Chad and Joel, behavioral scientist Jon Levy tears down the myth of the lone genius and reveals why your "super chickens" might be sabotaging your entire operation. Levy, author of the new book Team Intelligence, unpacks wild stories from his own life—from shredding for a RevAbs infomercial to using a massive 421-million-match Hinge study to prove that introv...
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Indeed Stranglehold Gets Tighter and Tighter

November 14, 2025 • 53 mins
Buckle up, kids, the boys are comin' in hot this week. Personio just chopped headcount and abandonded its U.S. strategy. Chad sees defeat; Joel sees a standing ovation for the competition. The bloodbath is real. 📉 Indeed's dropping its new Connect offering. Chad calls it a "shakedown with jazz hands." Joel warns there's something darker going on. 💸 What's more, Indeed has a new KPI! ARPJ - don't worry, you'll learn what it is -...
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Shredded: Ridepanda, Planbase, Boostie, Scribe, LinkedIn, hireEZ, GigRadar, & More

November 13, 2025 • 7 mins
The Shred is a weekly roundup of what’s making headlines in the world of employment. The Shred is brought to you today by Jobcase.
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5 Must Have Agents for TA w/ David Weinstock

November 11, 2025 • 47 mins
LIVE from the Recfest USA stage in Nashville! David Weinstock is a modern Talent Acquisition leader who actually unlocks value by fixing how companies hire, not just adding more process. As VP of Talent Acquisition at New Story, he leads talent strategy across 16 very different companies. Before that, he built and scaled TA at Hopebridge, one of the largest ABA providers in the country supporting 7,500 hires a year across 125 loc...
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Will SAP and Workday Go Amazon?

November 7, 2025 • 53 mins
In this episode, we ask if SAP + SmartRecruiters and/or Workday + Paradox can go FULL Amazon and collapse candidate friction into instant conversion, while LinkedIn and Indeed go to war over who actually owns the hiring assistant era. And Handshake? They’re pivoting into AI trainer labor like Mercor because the real money is in feeding the machines now. Watching business models shift where conversational AI becomes the UI… and t...
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Shredded: VeroSkills, ADP, Pequity, Personio, Waymo, Deel, Upwork & More

November 6, 2025 • 5 mins
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Fighting Job Seeker Fraud

November 4, 2025 • 41 mins
High-volume recruiting is officially in its “everything is on fire” era. Applicant fraud is exploding. Screening is eating recruiter calendars alive. And scaling sourcing without torching your team? Good luck doing that manually in 2025 and beyond. So we’re bringing in the people who actually lived it… not analyst fantasy land. In this session — leaders from Rippling, Phantom, Foley and more break down the pain they actually felt...
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