The Chad & Cheese Podcast
Everything people and workforce—recruiting, marketing, technology, talent management, and workforce economics—delivered with biting sarcasm and unapologetic snark. Industry misfits Chad Sowash and Joel Cheesman bring their no-holds-barred opinions to dissect news, trends, and the occasional dumpster fire. If you’re a hiring company, staffing firm, or vendor looking for insights (and a thick skin), these two won’t just tell you what’s happening—they’ll tell you why you’re probably doing it wrong. Buckle up, buttercup.
Episodes
September 2, 2025 • 29 mins
What happens when you mix SmartRecruiters, a global AI pivot, and a comms pro who loves to “shake shit up”? You get Allyn Bailey dropping truth bombs on everything from why legacy ATS platforms should be left in a museum next to floppy disks, to how scheduling interviews is apparently the Mount Everest of HR tech problems.
Joel and Chad dig into:
Why “feature bloat” is killing platforms faster than a buffet kills willpower
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August 29, 2025 • 51 mins
Strap on your helmets and tighten those chinstraps, Chad Sowash and Joel Cheesman are celebrating their 1,500th episode with more swagger than a Cracker Barrel parking lot brawl.
Expect:
-Trump cosplaying as a mob boss at Intel and Cracker Barrel-Kelce + Swift rumors getting the “wink-wink” treatment-Fantasy football team names that would make your grandma blush-Workday dragging Paradox into the modern era-Employ Inc.’s CEO carous...
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August 28, 2025 • 6 mins
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August 27, 2025 • 21 mins
Marriott’s Tyler Weeks joins Chad & Cheese to unpack what it’s like running HR for a million humans (and possibly a few Roombas).
Expect:
Ritz-Carlton ghosting Joel harder than his prom date.
Why Marriott’s HR is basically 9,000 mom-and-pop shops in a trench coat.
The shocking discovery that AI doesn’t make great recruiters greater—it just stops the bad ones from lighting themselves on fire.
CFO ROI math so ...
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August 25, 2025 • 53 mins
Forget the Eiffel Tower, kids—we’re climbing the recruitment rollercoaster instead. Upwork’s shopping spree in Holland (Bupty? Buptie? Bupkis?), Denmark’s going full Face/Off to keep Nic Cage off Viggo’s jawline, and the UK is suddenly allergic to Fridays.
Joel’s out dropping Cole at college, so Chad is joined by Belgium’s royal pain Lieven and Scotland’s deep-fried-pizza poet Stephen McGrath. Loud Americans, entitled tourists, an...
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August 22, 2025 • 55 mins
🎧 This week on The Chad & Cheese Podcast:
AI hiring lawsuits pile up faster than unread LinkedIn DMs
Upwork tries on staffing’s Blockbuster costume
Deel debuts creepy digital clones (no, not the cool Star Wars kind)
And Joel cries in Bloomington while Chad rants about Tim Apple
It’s HR tech, corporate drama, and just enough bad jokes to make you question humanity.
Chapters
00:00 - Intro: Chad...
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August 21, 2025 • 5 mins
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August 19, 2025 • 25 mins
Domino’s isn’t just delivering pizza in 30 minutes or less anymore—they’re trying to deliver candidates, too. In this episode, we sit down with Matt King, Director of HR Tech at Domino’s, to talk AI, ATS drama, and why franchisees always have “better ideas” than corporate.
From killing off Kenexa (RIP, nobody misses you) to jumping into bed with SmartRecruiters, Domino’s is betting big on speed, automation, and a sprinkle of chatb...
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August 15, 2025 • 51 mins
Hold onto your headphones, folks, because the Chad and Cheese Podcast is serving up a hilarious, hot-mess buffet of insights that’ll leave you laughing and maybe a little worried about your career!
This episode, your hosts sling snarky banter like baristas tossing espresso shots, breezing through early chit-chat about travel woes, Coldplay’s drama-fest, LinkedIn’s questionable career tips, sports shout-outs, Walmart’s employee di...
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August 14, 2025 • 5 mins
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August 12, 2025 • 28 mins
In this episode, the boys chat with Sarah Needleman, Business Insider’s Leadership and Workplace Correspondent, formerly of the Wall Street Journal for 23 years. Her article, “If You Think Your Job Is Hard Right Now, Try Working in HR,” dives into HR’s brutal post-2020 landscape: mass layoffs (like Microsoft’s 9,000 cuts) burden HR with soul-crushing terminations, as Evan Loveless shared, facing tears and dashed hopes.
AI automa...
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August 8, 2025 • 53 mins
In this episode of The Chad & Cheese Podcast, hosts Chad Sowash and Joel Cheesman—HR tech's dynamic duo of snark and smarts—serve up a buffet of industry drama with their trademark banter that'll have you chuckling harder than a recruiter dodging ghosting complaints.
They start by painting a gloomy economic picture, complete with workforce imbalances that feel like a bad Tinder match, plus a heartfelt nod to breastfeeding support...
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August 7, 2025 • 6 mins
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August 5, 2025 • 31 mins
In this episode, the boys chat with Jeff Pole, the big brain behind Warden AI, for a no-holds-barred chat about AI bias in talent acquisition.
They sliced and diced a juicy report comparing AI’s quirks to good ol’ human prejudice, serving up some spicy legal takes on what happens when robots play HR.
The trio threw shade at sloppy AI systems, stressing that vendors and employers better team up like superheroes to keep things fa...
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August 1, 2025 • 55 mins
On this week’s show:
🔌 Bold yanks the plug on Monster’s Euro-zone job boards faster than you can say “thoughtful transition.” Spoiler: if you had job credits, they’re as good as Monopoly money now.
🤡 Jamie & Doug send a painfully boring email instead of showing their faces. JT’s advice? Ditch the letter, pick up a camera, and maybe lose the flannel.
🔥 Job.com update – Turns out “we’re a tech company” means screw...
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July 30, 2025 • 39 mins
Live from UNLEASH America 2025, we’re serving up serious talent strategy with Meghan Rhatigan, VP of Talent Acquisition Experience at Marriott—and spoiler alert: job boards are dying, chatbots are rising, and recruitment will never be the same.
Inside this episode:
🤖 The rise (and limits) of chatbots
🔍 Why some candidates still prefer search over automation
📉 The slow death of job boards—and what comes next
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July 28, 2025 • 48 mins
In this episode, hosts start off with, what else, soccer snark, discussing Chelsea's Trump drama, then a little Tour de France trash-talk. Chad roasts Monster Europe's collapse, blasting Randstad and Apollo as "corporate cowards" ditching workers like bad dates.
They dissect HelloWork's lawsuit against Indeed for yanking ATS feeds—Chad calls it a data domination plot, Joel bets on French PR patriotism trumping legal odds.
"Buy ...
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July 25, 2025 • 53 mins
On this week's episode, Moe comes out hot and spills on "Coldplay-Gate," that viral kiss-cam fiasco where a couple (turns out, cheating execs from Astronomer) bolted like they saw a ghost. It's not just gossip—it's schadenfreude gold, highlighting how the C-suite plays by different rules.
Joel highlights ZipRececruiter's most recent marketing strategy: Embracing old school linear TV by sponsoring a new show on Fox. Chad rants abo...
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July 22, 2025 • 45 mins
Live from UNLEASH America, it’s an unfiltered convo with Steve Bartel (CEO, Gem) and Alla Mezhvinsky (VP, Talent & Workplace, Glean)—and it’s not your average kumbaya on hiring trends.
🧠 From AI-fueled chaos to tech stack therapy sessions, we’re diving headfirst into:
🤖 Resume spam and deepfake candidates
💸 Scaling dreams on skeleton budgets
🧱 Platform vs. integration: who ya got?
📊 Real data, real deci...
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