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September 3, 2025 57 mins
Xi Jinping put China's full military might on display in Beijing, joined by the leaders of Russia and North Korea. And those striking images of Xi, Putin and Kim standing side by side certainly caught the attention of Donald Trump, who accused the Chinese leader of "conspiring" against his country. Kurt Campbell served as deputy Secretary of State and architect of the Biden administration's China policy. Matthew Bartlett served in the State Department during President Trump's first term. They join the show together.  Also on today's show: Israeli historian and writer Fania Oz-Salzberger; author Emma Ashford ("First Among Equals")  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
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