August 20, 2025 • 44 mins
Andy Muir talks to Mark de Lautour, Nicol Horrell, Matt Taylor, Nathan Burdon, Alan McLeary and David Morrison.
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Speaker 1 (00:11):
Ow wow, good afternoon, and welcome to the muster on Hakanui.
I'm ending me your here until two o'clock this afternoon,
thanks to Peter's Genetics, thanks to your company. On an
afternoon that sees overcast skies here on the main street
of g Town, we'll talk with us shortly tunes for
the hour, though quite a bit to get through, so
a crank straight in midnight oil to say.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
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Speaker 1 (00:42):
Thursday afternoon sees cloudy skies of like northwesties and eleven
Friday partly cloudy have come variable wins minus two and
twelve did oh Saturday, but the temperature being zero and twelve.
Sunday sunny with like north westerlies two and thirteen. Monday
sunny once again will like north westerly three and fourteen.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
So temperature to.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
Hand Clinton six point six, Northern South and seven point one,
Raveton eight point eight, tire Now six point five, Tatah eight,
Winton seven point three and Woodland seven point four. Mark
de Latour gets us under way on a Thursday afternoon.
He is chief executive of Open Country, talking about Open
Country acquiring the Tower Valley Milk, but what it means
(01:21):
on a southern level for suppliers and the likes Nickel
Horral out of Environments Southland talks gravel extraction. Nichol wants
to give a bit of clarification regarding so comments are.
Jason Herrick, a Federated Farmers made on the show a
week or two back and just thought, well, actually the
gravel extraction issue is a bit more there. We need
to talk about Matt Taylor and the beef and lambslot.
(01:43):
He's talking about AI on the farm today. Interesting this
and that, remembering that is artificial intelligence and not insemination.
Resident Sporting Gury Nathan Burdon joins us and Alan McCleary
out of Share Our New Zealand catches up for a
yarn with Dave Morrison out of PGG writes and getting
us under way with the stock Cell report out of Charlton.
(02:03):
Then we chat with Mark Delatour. This is the Muster
until two o'clock thanks to Peter's Genetics.
Speaker 2 (02:13):
Sky kicking off.
Speaker 1 (02:21):
The afternoon here on the Muster with Mark Delatour. He's
Chief executive of Open Country. Fair to say, Open Countries here.
Quite a busy week of course, going into a conditional
agreement with the shareholders of a Taro Valley Milk here
at McNabb to acquire the business.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
Mark. Good afternoon and welcome to the muster once again.
Speaker 3 (02:40):
Yeah, good afternoon mate. Yeah, your bang on. It's been
an incredibly busy week and you can't forget. At the
same time we were were literally right in the thick
of commissioning our new butter plant up at waharrah So,
North Island, South Island. It's been it's been a crazy week.
Speaker 2 (02:59):
Gee, you sound like suck for punishment all this stuff
on the go at once.
Speaker 3 (03:03):
Yeah, that's right. I mean, it's just the way it's happened.
I guess. You know, this is the the the Matera
Valley Milk deals. You know, it's really exciting for Open
countrycause it has taken a long time to put together
and yeah it was. It wasn't a quick process and
lots of analysis and lots of planning, and so just
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because it took a while, I guess it's you know,
come along at the same time that we're commissioning the butterplant.
So not by design, but you know we'll grab it
and you don't, you don't turn away opportunity.
Speaker 1 (03:37):
Well, it's like you were quoted in the press the
other day, a significant capital investment for the company.
Speaker 3 (03:44):
Yeah, it is, it is, and and you know, I
think you know it's it's it's more for us around
you know, a commitment to the South. I think we've
mentioned before our intention to invest in the South and
more capital, and you know we've got plans for a
cheese plant and the like, so that it should come
(04:06):
no surprise that you know, we're looking to invest in
the South South Otiga South and region, collect more milk
obviously and really establish usself a bit further down there.
We've already obviously already got a big processing site there
at RUH. But what this does is give us a
bit further each north and some capability that we didn't have.
(04:31):
So you know, we'll probably refocus our investment plan now
that we've got this one done just a little bit further,
but either way where we're still committed to the South.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
So this is going to give Open Country, I suppose
a chance to grow the a two milk component down
here in the South.
Speaker 3 (04:50):
Yeah, yeah, I guess it's interesting, right because Open Country
itself wasn't in A two you know, we haven't been
in that infant formula market. And I'll be clear for
the listeners, Open countriesn't going into infant food products. But
but we do have a supply agreement with the A
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to Milk Company for product combination of powder products that
require the A two A to A one protein free milk.
So really whether we grow that milk collect or not,
it will be determined on the demand that the AT
and Milk company have on those products. And so you know,
right now, definitely we will maintain none of those A
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two contracts that come with Mataravelli, and you know, we'll
be talking to the Mataravilly farmers as soon as we
can on that, noting the deals not completely. It's still
a conditional agreement, so it needs to needs to close
and then and then we'll talk to the farmers. But really,
is that A two demand grows, we're you know, we'll
we'll look for more supply. If it doesn't grow, then
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we'll probably be pretty happy with the A two component
that's already there.
Speaker 1 (06:02):
So from an Open Country's perspective as a business as
usual for MBM supplies.
Speaker 3 (06:07):
Yeah, it is. Like I said, it's it's conditional at
the moment, and we have no concerns that it's not
going to complete. The deal of it. Obviously wouldn't have
been announced if there was too much concern there. But
absolutely business as usual, and you know, even after we
take it, like I said, the milk supply contracts will
be honored. We didn't buy the site to close it.
(06:29):
We didn't buy the site to devet the milk. We
bought this bought the site because of its process and capabilities.
Is a very very slick site. What we will do
is look to maximize the capability of that site, so
you know, if we're not going to fill it with
A two milk, you know, because of the A one
protein free milk, because of A two's demand, and then
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we'll fill it with non non A two milk.
Speaker 2 (06:53):
Open country.
Speaker 1 (06:53):
Looking at this though, Mark, I suppose basically looking forward,
you just solidifying your position down here in the South.
Speaker 3 (07:00):
Yeah, exactly. I mean the milk processing is about scale.
I mean it's it's a contrary to popular belief, it's
it's not a high margin business processing milk, so you've
got to have scale, and so I think it's a
it's a difficult, difficult place if you're a single dryer
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site business. So you know, we often move orders around
from site to site and depending on capabilities and seasonal
milk flows. When you've got multiple sites, you can you
can move things around and got options which a single
site doesn't have. So I think for the for the
Matara Valley facility and staff, it's a it's a great
(07:43):
move because you know they're part of a larger organization,
larger group, and we can look forward with a with
a lot of excitement.
Speaker 1 (07:50):
Now yourself an open country chair, Larry Margaret, You're going
to be down at MVM next Tuesday, is that right?
Speaker 3 (07:57):
Yeah, that's the plan. That's the plan. That's we've the
flights book, so we'll be heading down there and having
a catch up and meeting some of the staff and
you know, again the deal hasn't necessarily finalized, but so
we had to say too much, but it'll be good
to meet everyone and make everyone feel comfortable and hopefully
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meet a few of the farmers there as well. And
I think the team are trying to put something together
at the Croydon Lodge on the same day and just
have a chance to talk to the farmers in the
lay any fairs.
Speaker 1 (08:29):
Just finally, Mark Fontira coming out this morning lifting their
farmgate milk price to ten dollars fifteen dere I ask
Open Country, what's happening?
Speaker 3 (08:38):
Yeah, I think, I mean that's always a positive sign,
isn't it. I mean, I think the reality is is
if they see the world more negatively than we, you know,
we kind of get nervous. So we're pretty positive with
our forecast for the season. I think we're starting off
at about a ten to thirty midpoint for the first
period that we we pay, so you know, we're seeing
(09:02):
the season positive as well. You know, the man's good
cross cheese across milk proticals. We've got better this year,
which is long awaited. But so we're feeling pretty positive
about the year as well. So, you know, good to
see they're seeing the same thing we are.
Speaker 1 (09:20):
Marc Dollar, Tour, Chief executive of Open Country. Always appreciate
your time on the muster.
Speaker 3 (09:24):
No problem, mate, Thanks very much for heaven.
Speaker 1 (09:29):
Mark Dalla tour of Open Country and what has been
a pretty big week for the business.
Speaker 2 (09:35):
It's fair to say. Nickel Horror from Environment Southland is
up next. This is the Muster.
Speaker 1 (09:55):
Nickel Horror as chairman of Environments Southland and joins us
so the muster once again.
Speaker 2 (10:01):
Nicol. Good afternoon, Good.
Speaker 3 (10:03):
Afternoon, Andy.
Speaker 4 (10:06):
Good to see the weather improving. But after what we'll
better the last day, I too, it's all gone noft.
Speaker 1 (10:10):
Nichol had Jason Herrick, who's president of South and Federated Farmers,
on the program recently. He wasn't happy with the way
the whole gravel extraction issue was being pervaded as such. Firstly,
a couple of things that clear up regarding gravel extraction,
and I've known this firsthand in the past. A lot
of frustration, especially on the upper reaches of the Mattawa
(10:31):
River for example, about why you can and can't do
and why just can't Why can't we go in there
and just move gravel?
Speaker 4 (10:37):
And I guess you know, in the old days before
there it may a lot of it that happen, but
we are bound by regulations and we can we can
only do with what's within the lore. I think we'll
get some good changes out of the roma changes and
I had quite a productive conversation in Wellington a couple
of weeks ago with Benny Simmons, and they may well
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be an initiative we can put forward where the government
ministers now have the power to actually strike out regulations
or which would would actually go up and it would
mean water and land plan was based on the Rima
as it was, so if we could get more permitted activities,
particularly for beaches coming up. This is this is I
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think a big one that causes a lot of frustration
out there and any permitted activity there's there's always a
range of things you can do to be permitted and
outside that you go to a consent process and so
that's what we've sort of got at the moment. You know,
we've had conversations with all the owners of structures I
bridges that you know basically look at them and know
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they can remove gravel from under those structures. Allies will
work with them. What's tended to happen in the past
is people were stitched to doing so many medias either side.
What you actually did was dig a hole under a
bridge next sung the three ship filled.
Speaker 3 (11:59):
It back in.
Speaker 4 (12:00):
And some people are saying, you know what, tell us
how far well it's got to be on a case
by case basis, because what you really want is a
gradient that goes from above the bridge down down to
where the original settings where when they bult the bridge,
and down below it. If you do that, it'll stay
clear for a long time, whereas we know if you're
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just think a hole, it's going to fill up.
Speaker 1 (12:21):
As far as changes of the arima that you're talking about,
then nic or how far are they going to go,
it's there.
Speaker 4 (12:28):
This legislation was passed in the House last week. I'm
not sure if it's had royalistent yet, but it does
give Minister Simmons and possibly Minister Bishop the ability to
either allow us to do a discreek plan change. The
difficulty of that is still it's timely. All the normal
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parties are going to come and challenge you an environment court.
I'm particularly interested in the ability to actually strike out regulations.
So you know, we've got to is with frustrations around
consenting for wetlands. We've got some tidying up that needs
to be done with farm plans, but the beach skinning
is the other one that is you know, and it's
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not just here, it's all around the countryside. That we've
seen the floods and other parts of the area, and
everybody's saying, look, if we've been able to take gravel out,
that would have helped mitigate to a certain extent some
of those things. Now it's gravel extraction is not not
not the be an end all, but there is a
lot of frustration out there that let's make it. If
we can make it simpler for people to take gravel
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out where we need it taken out, rather than being
holes in the paddocks, that would be a real win.
And that's been on my bucket list before I leave,
before I leave the building. It won't probably happen but
before then, but I'm pretty keen to take it to
council next month and see if we as an appetite
to be restless.
Speaker 1 (13:49):
Jason, here, of course, I claiming that environments South and
engagement at the material liaison catchment meetings has been minimal.
Speaker 2 (13:56):
What do you say to that.
Speaker 4 (13:58):
We have had a lot of meetings with the catchment
groups over the last couple of years. And you know,
Hugh di Gardean was one of the advocates for widening
the base for funding would rather work and he should
be a happy man actually, because you know, we listen
to a logical argument. Everybody now pays. But I think
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from that meeting was sort of a confusion that because
it was capital rates that they should we were raising
more money. Well, actually what it did was changed away
and the spread and the spread. We didn't actually raise
the amount. If they want more money spent on the rivers,
they can come along to the meetings that will before
the next annual planners. And as it was an appetite
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to spend more than obviously that the new council listened
to that.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
Recently, you've had a work supervisor for ES. He's handed
in his resignation citing budget limitations and consenting as to
his means his job. He just can't do it anymore.
Do you think the red tape problem is going to
be solved anytime soon, because it seems as you talk
about these RMA reforms, there seems to be a lot
more on the table to have to decipher.
Speaker 4 (15:06):
And look, you know, if you have to get a consent,
you have to get a consent.
Speaker 5 (15:09):
It's the same with the abatement.
Speaker 4 (15:10):
Notice, you can't have one rule for everybody else than
a different one for our own. As long as the
paperwork's done, you can get on with it. But I
know there has been frustration that people have been held up,
But you have to have somebody within the group because
going through the process, and we're trying to pass track
a lot of these consents now too, so if it's
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a simple job, we should be able to get it
out the door quite quickly and quite it was not
too much expense. So there are change changes within the building,
but until the RMA changes, we can't break the law.
Speaker 3 (15:44):
And that's that's.
Speaker 6 (15:47):
All.
Speaker 4 (15:47):
Councils are the same. We have taken to the cleaners
if you don't obey the rules of the day, and
you know that. We know that all the changes that
we're more permitted activities going forward, and I think we
will welcome that. But until that does actually happen, we've
got to do things as efficiently and as timely as possible,
and because some of them perhaps haven't been done. That's
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the paperwork in the last couple of years. There's a
priority listen there at the moment secularly around some of
the canal of money. We've got to have everything lined
up to actually qualify. So they're working through that. The
bit notice putting out a job probably won't be done
till the spring now, but once the consents been applied
for and granted, the way they go, it's as simple
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to that as that.
Speaker 1 (16:32):
Really, if there is zari mayor re form, can we
expect environments south and reprioritize rock and willow work.
Speaker 2 (16:39):
And put their money towards gravel extraction on pressure points.
Speaker 4 (16:42):
There's a whole range of tools, and our guys will
assess what needs to be done in a certain situation.
In some places, getting rid of the gravel will work fine.
In other places, especially if we've critical infrastructure on the
other side of it, the rock will be an option.
And of course we'll and a lot of you know,
well they tied in the banks too. We've needed to
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too that. We just need to be able to have
all those tools so you can actually take the right option.
And you know, the river is always moving. But if
you can do small jobs up and that'll actually say
the big job.
Speaker 1 (17:18):
Just finally, Nicle Regarding the pricing around consent, the consenting
process in general, it seems rather expensive, Jason Herett claiming
it can go from anywhere. For gravel consents, For example,
if you can get them from two and a half
thousand dollars over fifty thousand dollars plus, which seems a
lot of money for extracting something and like at.
Speaker 4 (17:38):
Costs will only be a fraction of that. And you know,
we've had to review the local fishing games and some
of there are other agencies. People said, I've got to
get a consultant to were getting a report on it,
and that's where a lot of that money is has been.
Speaker 3 (17:54):
Has coming.
Speaker 4 (17:55):
If we can simplify that process and if it's a
complex job, you know that we've process to go through,
but a lot of the gravel contractors have been working
in those areas for years and if we're throwing your
surely it can be done quite quickly and without very
much expense. And I don't think it's getting a consent
that worries these people. It's actually the time and the cost.
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So those are the issues we do need to be sorted,
and we would have seen that are working pretty hard
on that at the moment, and including you know for wetlands,
trying trying to get a simple one out the door
within a week four thousand dollars and that's that's real progress.
Speaker 2 (18:34):
Good on your neck. I'll always appreciate your time here.
Speaker 3 (18:37):
You have a good day.
Speaker 1 (18:37):
Andy Nickel Horral, Chairman of Environments Southland. Matt Taylor's up
next and the Beef and Lamb slot.
Speaker 2 (18:44):
This is the Muster.
Speaker 4 (18:51):
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Speaker 1 (19:03):
Matt Taylor as part of the Beef and Lambs Southern
Farmer Council. He farms up at Lawn Peak in northern
south and joins us this afternoon. Good afternoon, Mett. Welcome
to the program.
Speaker 7 (19:13):
Yeah, Andy, good after Andy.
Speaker 3 (19:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (19:16):
Yeah, it makes it suns out, guns out, not quite
to that degree, but you're based up at Lawn Peak
near Garson. It sounds as though that snow was slowly disappearing.
Speaker 3 (19:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (19:26):
Look, we don't envy the skia industry. There's so much
on the top. So it's what's what's going to keep
the river running. But the summer's going to be interesting.
But oh look Stone August, I'd rather have it now
in October.
Speaker 2 (19:38):
Yeah, the ski industry in Queenstown they'll be suffering at
the moment, are they.
Speaker 7 (19:42):
Yeah, she looks pretty bare when over got the hill,
shifting bloody balls up the hill kind of looks look
up towards Carnea. You only really see the main trails
up there at the moment.
Speaker 1 (19:50):
So well, just every season is different from the last one.
Mat now up there at lawn peak though, like I say,
you're part of the Beef and Lambs Southern Farmer Council.
It was a good wee shindig last Friday nights and
Matt Ward I had him on the program on Tuesday show.
He was a Beef and Lamb scholarship winner as well.
He just oozes positivity for the sector. It's what you
(20:13):
want to see.
Speaker 7 (20:14):
Yeah, it's quite inspiring for the future, isn't it. But
I think you know, my role as an employee here
is to make sure I get more passionate people, people
that are more passionate and smarter than me involved in
my business. And if there's an industry you can get
those kind of people that are been are smarter than
them form coming through. I think we've got a pretty
good future giving forward. I thought you did pretty well
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carolling the bloody the panel there on Friday night and
it was Yeah, Robbie and Nigel made a few good
points here, couldn't I Yeah, it was fascinating.
Speaker 1 (20:45):
It was all about the positivity of sector and talking
about technology and the way that it's advancing. But look
about you're part of the farmer research group there at
Beef and Lamb and you talk about technology a big
one as well as AI and now it's not Ardam
fishal disseminations to keep saying it is artificial intelligence and
by the day it is just growing.
Speaker 7 (21:05):
Yeah, it's when you think about what implication it has
for the for society in general. Like I think the
Economic Forums come out and said it's going to be
eighty five billion jobs will disappear in the next two years.
That's worldwide. But you know when we went back to
the two thousands and we had the Internet coming through
and we didn't know what all these people were going
to do. But you know, Fred, we seem to be
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busier than what we were before the Internet come around.
So but you know, as far as it goes, both
Egg and Sheep and Beef, Beef and Lambs.
Speaker 4 (21:35):
Got quite a cool AI.
Speaker 7 (21:38):
Search engine come out called Balla, so you can search
all the old research papers and it's it's not looking
at the whole web. It's just looking at the Zealand
kind of centric research papers. So you can type in
a question there about Jesus, why did I scan this?
Or any question you want and it will come back.
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Let's pretty called tech there yourself.
Speaker 2 (22:02):
Man, are you quite happy to embrace this technology?
Speaker 7 (22:06):
I think we we're going to get left behind, to
be fair, to give you an example, like you know,
in the last felve years, we're all caught up on
you beyond meats and order some investment into alternative proteins.
But you know, the total investment worldwide that the alternative
foods in the last twelve years has been about nine percent,
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and worldwide we've spent about sixty over sixty percent into
market and retail systems. But I'm not talking about these
zalainists worldwide. So you know, the application of blockchain and
AI and robotics to get us further down that value
chain and get us closer to the market and get
some more of that value back to us, it's pretty exciting.
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It's you look, it's I think the jobs that are
going to be really under threat of those kind of
intellectual roles like I was tunder and advertise the other
day and we just threw a couple of phrases and
some scenery and it come back with a half a
minute ad about our country farming, and there was AI
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the voice over everything.
Speaker 1 (23:11):
Like copywriting, writing ads and the likes everything's up for grabs.
Speaker 3 (23:15):
Bluddy yeah, bloody eyes.
Speaker 7 (23:16):
Like if you're an account for a lawyer, like you know,
an AI can go and draft up an agreement. It's
all coming. So where we playing agriculture lit a bit
more hands on? Yeah, it's just the whole data sovereignty.
We creep a lot of data on farm and interpreting it.
And I think a lot of guys, you know, a
lot of other outfits see more value in that data
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we click.
Speaker 5 (23:38):
Than what we do.
Speaker 7 (23:39):
So if we can get AI in there and make
some really smart soons, yeah, look, I think it's something
to be get excited about, not to fear.
Speaker 2 (23:49):
What do you think of the biggest negatives around AI?
Speaker 3 (23:52):
Though?
Speaker 1 (23:52):
Mat We talk about the positors, but surely there's got
to be a downside to this, and a lot we
say we talk about jobs.
Speaker 2 (23:57):
What else?
Speaker 6 (23:58):
Wow?
Speaker 7 (23:58):
Well, look a't the you've got all that dystopian future stuff,
haven't you that your.
Speaker 1 (24:03):
Terminator and.
Speaker 7 (24:09):
The special thing about humans that were sentient and we've
you know, we've got imagination and you know, whether it's
AI is ever going to replicate that creative side of it,
I don't know, but bloody, you know, and agriculture and
beef is like it's it's skill, but there's also a
bit of creative stuff you had. It's a complicated system
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when you so, yeah, I don't know. It's the displacement
of jobs is going to be interesting. And you know
how people are going to earn money in the future,
and that whole displacement of jobs. Yeah, just from a
society point of view, it's going to be yeah, fasonating
to watch.
Speaker 2 (24:49):
I'm telling.
Speaker 1 (24:49):
The other night they had an article about the robot Olympics.
I think in China, I needn't think anything so bizarre
in my life.
Speaker 7 (24:56):
Yeah, Well to give you one. In America, they've got
it's called mcflipper. All this robot and AI does as
foot burgers at McDonald's or any fast food outflue. I'm
trying to remember. I think that will make two hundred
million dollars more profit for fast food I almost two
hundred it was a big number. In America every year
just by getting rid of that one person that was
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minimum wage in the kitchen fucking burgers put a robot
in there. But you know, when you think about that,
that means instead of a company paying out wages, they've
got to take on debt to do the capital investment.
So where's all that money going to come from? And yeah,
just fascinating.
Speaker 1 (25:32):
Do you think they've become a time and a place
in agriculture where even labor units will be under threat
due to AI?
Speaker 7 (25:39):
Yeah, well we're saying a little bit with Collins, now,
aren't we, Like come, you know, we've got the shepherd
collars up the hill and eventually, you know, if we
could wrap some AI around that where we could measure
the residuals, feed residuals pray and post from a satellite,
and then AI interpreted it and went off and said,
oh shit, your fence needs to be or some way
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of measuring growth rates on those balls up the hill.
You know, it takes a little bit of that human
fickture out of it. I suppose, just like, yeah, get
a bit more out of that system.
Speaker 2 (26:11):
Absolutely, you're scared.
Speaker 1 (26:12):
You think that things are going to end up Matt, hey,
we better leave it there, but really interesting insight regarding technology.
You enjoy the afternoon. Hopefully the dry the ground drives
out for you and Matt Taylor. Fascinating insight regarding AI
as well.
Speaker 2 (26:30):
What was that figure?
Speaker 1 (26:30):
Eighty five million jobs gone and they're not foreseeable and
they're not too foreseeable future reason are spoorting gury Nathan Burden.
He's still got a job with us on the muster
talking about the Stags.
Speaker 4 (26:43):
We will.
Speaker 1 (26:53):
Our residents sporting. Gury Nathan Burden joins us once again.
Good afternoon, Nathan, I believe you've just tipped over a
stone at work.
Speaker 6 (27:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (27:01):
Ten years at Active Southland, which yeah, very humbling to
They put on a nice morning tea for myself and
Susie Harrington old cobber who so he's done fifteen years
reception at Active south and if anyone's had anything to
do with sport or the business, don't know, Susie.
Speaker 4 (27:21):
Wow.
Speaker 8 (27:22):
She's the person you go to if you've got any
sort of question or anything like that. She's the person
who can get it done or she can find find
that stuff out. She's pretty much the oracle when it
comes to when it comes to sport in this part
of the world. So yeah, it was really nice to
have that recognized.
Speaker 2 (27:39):
Right the matter at hand.
Speaker 1 (27:41):
James Wilson was quoted earlier on in the week with
Sam in the South and Tribune basically saying Southland's got no.
Speaker 2 (27:48):
Plane depth and just really annoying a lot of people.
Speaker 1 (27:51):
Right, So what's happened here is he's came out and
said what I've seen from the weekend. So they came
back from being up in Funaday went straight towy taotow
to watch the game and said there weren't too many
players who have been able to say in the fight
there the physicality wasn't there not what we wanted. Now,
the feedback on social media regaining us from players in
the game has been pretty immense. One guy in particular
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teeing off and in my opinion, he's got a lot
here that I think he's right on the butt, and
so it just makes the bigger issue around the South
and Stags as such, the figure that I heard.
Speaker 2 (28:25):
Was not even a quarter of the team a south
And born and bred.
Speaker 1 (28:28):
These days, some people are saying they need to drop
the south And from the name because it's frustration all
these players that are on the fringe haven't got a
look in. And this basically says as well that James
Wilson has just told everybody what needs to happen with
the South and Rugby calendar next year, and Marge did
one with Premiere because if you're on the fringe, you're
not going to get a looking.
Speaker 8 (28:50):
Yeah, I'll have to be I have to be careful
and also probably put my conflict of interest out in
terms of my old clubmate Tinton, and I think he
was probably it was a difficult situation, and I do
understand it's a It's a pretty emotional issue too, isn't it.
We all, well, you know, a lot of us are
very passionate when it comes to Southern Rugby Club, Rugby,
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the Stags, all of that sort of stuff, and and
and this whole issue around players being imported into the
province is big enough, let alone players being imported into
the province midway through the through the competition. I think
it was probably a difficult situation your year in a
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bit of a damned if you do and damned if
you don't, if you don't talk about the fact that
they did go out and watch that representative game to
try and get a gauge on whether there was some
depth in the in the positions that they were talking about,
particularly in that in that loose forward situation. Rightly, wrongly
they've walked away from that game and decided that they
needed to go and look for something else and hay presto,
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George Reeves pops up off the bench for the for
the Stags, and that in that win last week. I
guess if there's a silver lining at all, George Reeves
played pretty well when he came to the bench and
helped the Stags, had a bit of impact there and
obviously helped in that second half comeback for the Stags.
If he had been a flop in that game, then
he would have been even more fuel on the fire,
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wouldn't they It does.
Speaker 2 (30:19):
Make him buckery.
Speaker 1 (30:20):
This high performance unit whatever the how they call it,
that are on the fringe and they practice and everything
just to get table. Actually, guys now your surface to requirement.
So I mean it was like that wy even get
them involved with the team.
Speaker 8 (30:32):
Yeah, And I couldn't hand on heart, I say, I
couldn't tell you that the four or five names of
guys who are on the fringe, who are the next
cabs off the rank in terms of that, But you
know there may be players out to your hood, and
I guess that's the whole communication thing between Rugby South
and in the high performance pathways and wedding players know
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where they actually sit in the picking order, and I
guess that there's a tricky balance that you need to
walk between giving being honest with people in terms of
where they sit and and you know what their potential
is going forward. And I guess there is a part
of me that goes, you're not going to for all.
For all the passion we have about wanting to see
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local players get ahead, you also don't want to throw
a guy up against Simon Parker, you know, up in
from Ray, who's a meeter ninety seven and one hundred
and twenty kilograms and is about to make his All
Black Test debut, who could absolutely tear some young young
guy to bit. So there is a player welfare aspect
to all of this as well.
Speaker 1 (31:36):
But there are guys on that side who have played
NPC rugby as well, and recently from the from the
country's perspective, it's a.
Speaker 8 (31:43):
Huge scratcher, isn't it and I suppose.
Speaker 2 (31:45):
Absolutely it is.
Speaker 3 (31:46):
Yeah, yep.
Speaker 1 (31:47):
And the recently I was going to pan out a lot.
They got Bay a plenty tonight on the back of
this issue and this isn't going away. I think this
is taking the scab of something. Unfortunately, Nathan anyway to
the present by a plenty tonight, by a plenty one
of the form teams. They've lost their all blacks, so
they're still looking pretty formidable.
Speaker 8 (32:05):
Yeah, they're a very good team. I watched them in
the first round. Absolutely take Tasman, who are you one
of the competition's favorites, and they took Kasman to bits
in that game. They will be disappointed that they didn't
really far a shot last week against Star Canterbury. So
unfortunately we've got them a little bit, a little bit
on the rebound and I was just having a look
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at a headline before. They're pretty excited to be back
in total for tonight's game, back in the hangy pit
as they call it, so they will be a team
on the rebound looking to prove a point. On the
other side, you've got a stage team who where it
was just a jackal and high performance against Manowatu and
Hopefully they'll be more mister Hyde than doctor Jiglob, although
(32:48):
in a rugby context maybe you do want to be
doctor Jeckelb'm not too sure. But they want to be
more of the second half than they do the first half,
because their first half was diabolical.
Speaker 3 (32:55):
Isn't it.
Speaker 1 (32:55):
Well they're in Rasa Roer tonight with and goals arguably
as big as the twenty two.
Speaker 8 (33:00):
Yeah, it's a funny. It's a crazy dimensiond International Stadium.
Speaker 1 (33:04):
In the year Southern Boys High School once again going
to the top four. They've been doing great things.
Speaker 8 (33:11):
Clutch, absolutely clutch, aren't They haven't lost a game, at
least George since twenty fifteen, so there's generations of players
that have gone through that team that don't know what
it's like to lose at home. And their playoff record
is amazing. Second time back to the top four in
the past three years. Albeit, I think there's something There's
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only like four returning players from that team that won
the competition two years ago, so I don't think they'll
be quite the underdogs that they were from twenty twenty three.
They'll have some sort of target on their back. I
think they get the Chiefs the Chiefs Qualifier first up.
Those other three teams are yet to be confirmed. Those
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playoffs are all this weekend, I believe, So whatever it is,
it'll be quality rugby and we sort of swishes to
the team as they hit up there.
Speaker 2 (34:01):
Yeah, one hundred.
Speaker 1 (34:02):
Now the am Z Premiership, this is a real concern
all these players going over to Australia. Arguably a better competition,
better pay, better everything, better, lifestyle, you name it. I
don't know, but this competition is in dire straits.
Speaker 8 (34:17):
Yeah, I think we're up to what we're up to
about five silver Ferns plus some others that have got
really talented players.
Speaker 5 (34:25):
Yeh.
Speaker 8 (34:25):
So you take that out out of a competition, and
if we look at that A and Z competition this year,
obviously the depth was already an issue. You had players
who were voluntarily retired who were being called back into
service for some of those teams. Doesn't seem to be
much of a level below that at the moment, but
(34:47):
Jets it is.
Speaker 3 (34:49):
It is.
Speaker 8 (34:49):
It must be a massive concern to needbor New Zealanders
as they're looking to try and get some sort of
sustainable financial model going with that competition going forward. Just
what that products going be like when you when you
take the likes of your Kelly Jackson's and your Karen
Berger's and your topious Shelby Ricketts and your Maddy Gordon's
and all of these sorts of players out of the mix.
(35:11):
You know, in that Australian netball competition is really sort
of turning into it. It's basically going to it's turning
into like an NBA of netball pretty much. So yeah,
I just wonder what that product is going to look
like next year. If I guess if you talked about
the Super Rugby competition that had twenty past or prison
all blacks taken out of it, you know what would
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that look like to us?
Speaker 2 (35:33):
Interesting how it pans out. Nate's always appreciate your time
on the Muster.
Speaker 8 (35:36):
Lovely thanks mate.
Speaker 1 (35:40):
Residents Sporting Gary Nathan Burdon on a Thursday afternoon. Before
you wrap up, Allen McCleary got a seur New Zealand,
welcome back to this is the Muster. Alum McCleary out
(36:01):
of Sheerwere, New Zealand joins us before we wrap up
for the afternoon.
Speaker 2 (36:04):
Good afternoon, Alla McCleary. Where about Saya today?
Speaker 6 (36:07):
There you go, and Andy you all good?
Speaker 2 (36:09):
Can't complain, sir? Where are you today?
Speaker 6 (36:12):
I'm up, I'm up Middle March today. I'm up here.
There's the snows.
Speaker 7 (36:15):
There's still a weaver on the hill.
Speaker 6 (36:16):
But you know I'm up here calling it at farmers,
delivering a few tags and during the fat with with
the cockies. So it's good.
Speaker 2 (36:25):
How's the vibe up there?
Speaker 6 (36:27):
Pretty good? You know, everybody's pretty happy. That's they've had
a bit of moisture up here, so that you know that,
you know, they're pretty happy.
Speaker 2 (36:35):
Good color in the panix.
Speaker 6 (36:37):
The Middle March.
Speaker 2 (36:41):
There you answer that there is a different shades of
brown different.
Speaker 6 (36:45):
No, there is a web of green out there all
right now, it is.
Speaker 3 (36:48):
It's good.
Speaker 6 (36:48):
The rocks are still there though they haven't washed away.
Speaker 1 (36:50):
So yeah, the rocks just never changed, do they. But
sheer well, new Zella. Last time we spoke to you,
you're over in Canada. So it was a good jaunt
over there.
Speaker 6 (37:00):
It was, yes, yeah, it was pretty hot. Well, it's
hot enough. Yeah, they got all those big fires there
as well, which we weren't very close to, but there
was plenty of smoke. But the oh, the farmers over
there seemed to be pretty happy. Donald Trump seems to
be the the main and only topic when you talk
to anybody. But yeah, but no, noo. Things looking pretty
(37:21):
good over there.
Speaker 4 (37:22):
They are.
Speaker 6 (37:22):
They are hot and dry. But where I wasn't Ontario
is mainly it's mainly corn. It's just thousands of acres
of corn.
Speaker 2 (37:31):
Now from Sheerwell HQ.
Speaker 1 (37:33):
We were fortunate enough to have Julie Edwards come up
and visit us here with you the other day. I
actually thought you might have bought some smoko with you,
as you normally do. What happened there, you drop the
ball made I was so nervous.
Speaker 6 (37:45):
I had Julie, the big boss that I had Emily,
my Aussie boss that I have to answer to, and
I just I forgot all about that made I apologize.
Speaker 2 (37:53):
Yeah, no, great to catch up with Julie.
Speaker 1 (37:55):
It sounds as though Shearwell's going gangbusters in the UK,
But like you say, over and I, these things are
already going one way too.
Speaker 6 (38:02):
Yeah they are, oh, these because they've gone mandatory in
Australia with the sheep EIDs there. Yeah, it's been a
real it's been a real race because everybody's trying to
trying to clamber in. But I don't know how many
million sheep are in Australia, but I think Sheer will
have done about twenty million tags last year, so it's
a year, it's a lot. So I don't think they've
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really got a good hold over there and once again
doing really good.
Speaker 4 (38:28):
You know.
Speaker 1 (38:29):
Well, the good news is you got Julie's safely back
to the airport. She so she can go back to
Sheer LHQ and spread the word of Alan McCleary.
Speaker 6 (38:37):
Well, I don't know if that's a good idea or not.
I didn't see what her note said. I forgot the smoke.
Oh so I'm already on the on the down side,
an't I.
Speaker 1 (38:44):
I didn't see any rear crosses beside your name in
Julie's book or anything, so you must be going all right.
Speaker 6 (38:50):
Well, I haven't had the don't come one day, so
I suppose that's up, you know, that's looking up in
it now.
Speaker 2 (38:56):
The heat Wave special. We talked about this a week
while ago. What's happening?
Speaker 6 (39:01):
Yeah, look, it went really well, so we we've actually
decided to extend it the wee bit and the main
reason for that is the Hobbits scanning's done really well,
so there's quite a few farmers out there inquiring about it.
You know, Hobbits are twins and triplets, so they're just
sort of safeguarding themselves with that. So we decided to
(39:21):
extend it for them, and yeah, I know it is.
There's been a lot go out the door and once
again it's just a simple, basic unit that works really
well and people.
Speaker 3 (39:33):
Just love it.
Speaker 1 (39:34):
What do people really enjoy about it? Just the fact
that it makes fading animals simplastic.
Speaker 6 (39:40):
Yeah, well, it's it's at the moment it's mainly mainly
sheep farmers for the lambs. So you know, you go
around that paddock and you've got a wee land that's
not one hundred percent and you think I should take
it home, but mum's already got ten and she's going
to hit me over the head with it, so that
seems to you know, they bring him home, they put
them on the heat wave and that's the end of it.
(40:00):
And they're because they're able feeding. You know, you're not
out with bottles and that, and the lambs do a
lot better. They don't get that glut feeding and that
blow and those we popped bellies full of the shitty asses.
Speaker 4 (40:12):
You know.
Speaker 6 (40:12):
They do do really well on them, so and there's
not much to go wrong with them. They're pretty simple,
so it's a they're a real winner.
Speaker 1 (40:20):
Really what as simple as the design of the sheerwheal tag,
it's so simplastic, get it works so well. But Alan,
you're telling me there's a new range of colors coming
out Neon colors and facts that are reminiscent of your
raving days from the early to mid nineties.
Speaker 6 (40:37):
All right, man, I wasn't next year that in my mind,
But there we go.
Speaker 2 (40:40):
There you go. The brighter the color, the better it
sticks out on the proverbial, no, look we are.
Speaker 6 (40:46):
Our colors have always been pretty what we called flat.
The brighter you make the color, they're easier, they fade.
But we've been listening to the farmers and saying because
Kiwi's use the color tag a lot more than they
do around the world. Everybody else is using i DS
and it's really only the mandatory where we're doing age
groups and be mobs and everything else. So we do
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spend a bit of time on the on the drafting
gate doing colors. So they've been they've been asking us
to do brighter colors, so the boss has listened. We've
brought out a brighter green that looks really good, and
they're working on about four or five other different colors
will make them brighter and make them still UV safe,
so they're not going to fade or go brittle of that.
So it is a bit of a science. But we
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are listening and then we and they are taking action.
So it's brilliant yep, but.
Speaker 2 (41:31):
It won't be glowing the dark least get that click.
Speaker 6 (41:35):
Well, we've better shut that conversation down pretty quick. Mate.
Speaker 4 (41:38):
Where you go with that?
Speaker 1 (41:39):
I'm just saying, look a glowing the dark sheep tag
just running around, Look at the esthetics.
Speaker 6 (41:44):
Why do you want to see a sheep in the
dark for it?
Speaker 4 (41:46):
You don't?
Speaker 2 (41:47):
They're glowing the glowing the dark sheep tag.
Speaker 1 (41:49):
Man, they come out of everything these day's talking about
AO before going to AI and ask about a glowing,
glowing the dark sheep tag.
Speaker 2 (41:56):
Yeah, and nonetheless, look, it's quite a bit going on.
Speaker 1 (41:59):
You can coming down south and over the next couple
of days, he's just helping out with a few clients.
Speaker 6 (42:04):
I am, I've got a guy there where I'm going
down to try a new speedy tagger. I'm going to
show them that and and mock and reader. So I've
got a I've got a thousand odd to tag tomorrow morning,
so or Friday.
Speaker 2 (42:15):
No Friday morning, So tomorrow's Friday, is it right?
Speaker 6 (42:19):
So it's Friday. I am all done tomorrow on Friday. Then, Oh,
I know, mate, it's been so busy. You know, I've
had those big bosses over here, all.
Speaker 2 (42:27):
The streets of the big boss being here. Eh, he's
taking his toll on you.
Speaker 4 (42:31):
Look.
Speaker 1 (42:32):
What isn't taking his toll though, is the quality of
the shierhear tag, Allen McCleary.
Speaker 2 (42:36):
If somebody wants to get in touch, how do they
do it?
Speaker 3 (42:38):
Right?
Speaker 6 (42:39):
Yeah, give me a tingle on two seven two three
two double four, double eight, And if you really want to,
you can ring ray on eight hundred and seven triple
nine eight nine. But mate, he's he's under the pump
poking tags out at the moment. So Mike Peter annoying
me and leave ray alone.
Speaker 2 (42:55):
Good Onia, Ellen, since you're on the line, we'll let
you listen to this.
Speaker 6 (43:00):
Half out loud with ag proud because life on the
land can be a laughing matter brought to us by
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Speaker 2 (43:10):
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He came, he saw, he conquered.
Speaker 6 (43:19):
I don't understand it.
Speaker 1 (43:21):
Some things in life a better left misunderstood. Alan McCleary,
always appreciate your time on the muster. So great to
have Sheerwell involved.
Speaker 6 (43:27):
David ten again, Oh thanks Mandy, catching out of mate.
Speaker 2 (43:32):
He just called me Mady.
Speaker 1 (43:33):
I'll get let him away with Alan McCleary from Sheerwell,
New Zealand seeing us out for a Thursday afternoon.
Speaker 2 (43:38):
I'm Andy Muir.
Speaker 1 (43:38):
This has been the muster on Hock and now he
thinks the Peter's genetics see the morrow one o'clock.
Speaker 2 (43:46):
Hey, well all that too, he'll go there.
Speaker 5 (43:47):
And what did he go on to get?
Speaker 1 (43:48):
For time for a stock sale report from Charlton thanks
to PGG Wright Send Dave Morrison's on the line to.
Speaker 2 (43:53):
Fillo us on and all the details tea. All good afternoon.
How did it go?
Speaker 3 (43:58):
As Andy?
Speaker 5 (43:59):
You a pretty what they say probably required us one
with head all season to start the prime lambs. The
best of the prime Lambs heavy heavy lamb two fifty
forty two fifty medium Lambs sort of one y five
one ninety and just with the light of prime lambs
and he won it sort of one fifty one sixty.
But like said, very small yea in there today. Into
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the U section here once again the U seven are
really taken off your the best of the use heavy
use one milliums sort of one fifteen, one twenty. What's
the life and this news when they're sort of sixty
to seventy dollars stare lambs only hand forward Lambs store
pins in today and that market's probably easy a litet
bit there, the best of the store sort of one thirty.
Speaker 3 (44:42):
Five obviously because really well through the season there
Speaker 5 (44:46):
And the smaller smaller Lambs for ninety five hundred dollars
and the rep of that many
Ow wow, good afternoon, and welcome to the muster on Hakanui.
I'm ending me your here until two o'clock this afternoon,
thanks to Peter's Genetics, thanks to your company. On an
afternoon that sees overcast skies here on the main street
of g Town, we'll talk with us shortly tunes for
the hour, though quite a bit to get through, so
a crank straight in midnight oil to say.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
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Speaker 1 (00:42):
Thursday afternoon sees cloudy skies of like northwesties and eleven
Friday partly cloudy have come variable wins minus two and
twelve did oh Saturday, but the temperature being zero and twelve.
Sunday sunny with like north westerlies two and thirteen. Monday
sunny once again will like north westerly three and fourteen.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
So temperature to.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
Hand Clinton six point six, Northern South and seven point one,
Raveton eight point eight, tire Now six point five, Tatah eight,
Winton seven point three and Woodland seven point four. Mark
de Latour gets us under way on a Thursday afternoon.
He is chief executive of Open Country, talking about Open
Country acquiring the Tower Valley Milk, but what it means
(01:21):
on a southern level for suppliers and the likes Nickel
Horral out of Environments Southland talks gravel extraction. Nichol wants
to give a bit of clarification regarding so comments are.
Jason Herrick, a Federated Farmers made on the show a
week or two back and just thought, well, actually the
gravel extraction issue is a bit more there. We need
to talk about Matt Taylor and the beef and lambslot.
(01:43):
He's talking about AI on the farm today. Interesting this
and that, remembering that is artificial intelligence and not insemination.
Resident Sporting Gury Nathan Burdon joins us and Alan McCleary
out of Share Our New Zealand catches up for a
yarn with Dave Morrison out of PGG writes and getting
us under way with the stock Cell report out of Charlton.
(02:03):
Then we chat with Mark Delatour. This is the Muster
until two o'clock thanks to Peter's Genetics.
Speaker 2 (02:13):
Sky kicking off.
Speaker 1 (02:21):
The afternoon here on the Muster with Mark Delatour. He's
Chief executive of Open Country. Fair to say, Open Countries here.
Quite a busy week of course, going into a conditional
agreement with the shareholders of a Taro Valley Milk here
at McNabb to acquire the business.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
Mark. Good afternoon and welcome to the muster once again.
Speaker 3 (02:40):
Yeah, good afternoon mate. Yeah, your bang on. It's been
an incredibly busy week and you can't forget. At the
same time we were were literally right in the thick
of commissioning our new butter plant up at waharrah So,
North Island, South Island. It's been it's been a crazy week.
Speaker 2 (02:59):
Gee, you sound like suck for punishment all this stuff
on the go at once.
Speaker 3 (03:03):
Yeah, that's right. I mean, it's just the way it's happened.
I guess. You know, this is the the the Matera
Valley Milk deals. You know, it's really exciting for Open
countrycause it has taken a long time to put together
and yeah it was. It wasn't a quick process and
lots of analysis and lots of planning, and so just
(03:24):
because it took a while, I guess it's you know,
come along at the same time that we're commissioning the butterplant.
So not by design, but you know we'll grab it
and you don't, you don't turn away opportunity.
Speaker 1 (03:37):
Well, it's like you were quoted in the press the
other day, a significant capital investment for the company.
Speaker 3 (03:44):
Yeah, it is, it is, and and you know, I
think you know it's it's it's more for us around
you know, a commitment to the South. I think we've
mentioned before our intention to invest in the South and
more capital, and you know we've got plans for a
cheese plant and the like, so that it should come
(04:06):
no surprise that you know, we're looking to invest in
the South South Otiga South and region, collect more milk
obviously and really establish usself a bit further down there.
We've already obviously already got a big processing site there
at RUH. But what this does is give us a
bit further each north and some capability that we didn't have.
(04:31):
So you know, we'll probably refocus our investment plan now
that we've got this one done just a little bit further,
but either way where we're still committed to the South.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
So this is going to give Open Country, I suppose
a chance to grow the a two milk component down
here in the South.
Speaker 3 (04:50):
Yeah, yeah, I guess it's interesting, right because Open Country
itself wasn't in A two you know, we haven't been
in that infant formula market. And I'll be clear for
the listeners, Open countriesn't going into infant food products. But
but we do have a supply agreement with the A
(05:11):
to Milk Company for product combination of powder products that
require the A two A to A one protein free milk.
So really whether we grow that milk collect or not,
it will be determined on the demand that the AT
and Milk company have on those products. And so you know,
right now, definitely we will maintain none of those A
(05:36):
two contracts that come with Mataravelli, and you know, we'll
be talking to the Mataravilly farmers as soon as we
can on that, noting the deals not completely. It's still
a conditional agreement, so it needs to needs to close
and then and then we'll talk to the farmers. But really,
is that A two demand grows, we're you know, we'll
we'll look for more supply. If it doesn't grow, then
(05:58):
we'll probably be pretty happy with the A two component
that's already there.
Speaker 1 (06:02):
So from an Open Country's perspective as a business as
usual for MBM supplies.
Speaker 3 (06:07):
Yeah, it is. Like I said, it's it's conditional at
the moment, and we have no concerns that it's not
going to complete. The deal of it. Obviously wouldn't have
been announced if there was too much concern there. But
absolutely business as usual, and you know, even after we
take it, like I said, the milk supply contracts will
be honored. We didn't buy the site to close it.
(06:29):
We didn't buy the site to devet the milk. We
bought this bought the site because of its process and capabilities.
Is a very very slick site. What we will do
is look to maximize the capability of that site, so
you know, if we're not going to fill it with
A two milk, you know, because of the A one
protein free milk, because of A two's demand, and then
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we'll fill it with non non A two milk.
Speaker 2 (06:53):
Open country.
Speaker 1 (06:53):
Looking at this though, Mark, I suppose basically looking forward,
you just solidifying your position down here in the South.
Speaker 3 (07:00):
Yeah, exactly. I mean the milk processing is about scale.
I mean it's it's a contrary to popular belief, it's
it's not a high margin business processing milk, so you've
got to have scale, and so I think it's a
it's a difficult, difficult place if you're a single dryer
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site business. So you know, we often move orders around
from site to site and depending on capabilities and seasonal
milk flows. When you've got multiple sites, you can you
can move things around and got options which a single
site doesn't have. So I think for the for the
Matara Valley facility and staff, it's a it's a great
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move because you know they're part of a larger organization,
larger group, and we can look forward with a with
a lot of excitement.
Speaker 1 (07:50):
Now yourself an open country chair, Larry Margaret, You're going
to be down at MVM next Tuesday, is that right?
Speaker 3 (07:57):
Yeah, that's the plan. That's the plan. That's we've the
flights book, so we'll be heading down there and having
a catch up and meeting some of the staff and
you know, again the deal hasn't necessarily finalized, but so
we had to say too much, but it'll be good
to meet everyone and make everyone feel comfortable and hopefully
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meet a few of the farmers there as well. And
I think the team are trying to put something together
at the Croydon Lodge on the same day and just
have a chance to talk to the farmers in the
lay any fairs.
Speaker 1 (08:29):
Just finally, Mark Fontira coming out this morning lifting their
farmgate milk price to ten dollars fifteen dere I ask
Open Country, what's happening?
Speaker 3 (08:38):
Yeah, I think, I mean that's always a positive sign,
isn't it. I mean, I think the reality is is
if they see the world more negatively than we, you know,
we kind of get nervous. So we're pretty positive with
our forecast for the season. I think we're starting off
at about a ten to thirty midpoint for the first
period that we we pay, so you know, we're seeing
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the season positive as well. You know, the man's good
cross cheese across milk proticals. We've got better this year,
which is long awaited. But so we're feeling pretty positive
about the year as well. So, you know, good to
see they're seeing the same thing we are.
Speaker 1 (09:20):
Marc Dollar, Tour, Chief executive of Open Country. Always appreciate
your time on the muster.
Speaker 3 (09:24):
No problem, mate, Thanks very much for heaven.
Speaker 1 (09:29):
Mark Dalla tour of Open Country and what has been
a pretty big week for the business.
Speaker 2 (09:35):
It's fair to say. Nickel Horror from Environment Southland is
up next. This is the Muster.
Speaker 1 (09:55):
Nickel Horror as chairman of Environments Southland and joins us
so the muster once again.
Speaker 2 (10:01):
Nicol. Good afternoon, Good.
Speaker 3 (10:03):
Afternoon, Andy.
Speaker 4 (10:06):
Good to see the weather improving. But after what we'll
better the last day, I too, it's all gone noft.
Speaker 1 (10:10):
Nichol had Jason Herrick, who's president of South and Federated Farmers,
on the program recently. He wasn't happy with the way
the whole gravel extraction issue was being pervaded as such. Firstly,
a couple of things that clear up regarding gravel extraction,
and I've known this firsthand in the past. A lot
of frustration, especially on the upper reaches of the Mattawa
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River for example, about why you can and can't do
and why just can't Why can't we go in there
and just move gravel?
Speaker 4 (10:37):
And I guess you know, in the old days before
there it may a lot of it that happen, but
we are bound by regulations and we can we can
only do with what's within the lore. I think we'll
get some good changes out of the roma changes and
I had quite a productive conversation in Wellington a couple
of weeks ago with Benny Simmons, and they may well
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be an initiative we can put forward where the government
ministers now have the power to actually strike out regulations
or which would would actually go up and it would
mean water and land plan was based on the Rima
as it was, so if we could get more permitted activities,
particularly for beaches coming up. This is this is I
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think a big one that causes a lot of frustration
out there and any permitted activity there's there's always a
range of things you can do to be permitted and
outside that you go to a consent process and so
that's what we've sort of got at the moment. You know,
we've had conversations with all the owners of structures I
bridges that you know basically look at them and know
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they can remove gravel from under those structures. Allies will
work with them. What's tended to happen in the past
is people were stitched to doing so many medias either side.
What you actually did was dig a hole under a
bridge next sung the three ship filled.
Speaker 3 (11:59):
It back in.
Speaker 4 (12:00):
And some people are saying, you know what, tell us
how far well it's got to be on a case
by case basis, because what you really want is a
gradient that goes from above the bridge down down to
where the original settings where when they bult the bridge,
and down below it. If you do that, it'll stay
clear for a long time, whereas we know if you're
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just think a hole, it's going to fill up.
Speaker 1 (12:21):
As far as changes of the arima that you're talking about,
then nic or how far are they going to go,
it's there.
Speaker 4 (12:28):
This legislation was passed in the House last week. I'm
not sure if it's had royalistent yet, but it does
give Minister Simmons and possibly Minister Bishop the ability to
either allow us to do a discreek plan change. The
difficulty of that is still it's timely. All the normal
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parties are going to come and challenge you an environment court.
I'm particularly interested in the ability to actually strike out regulations.
So you know, we've got to is with frustrations around
consenting for wetlands. We've got some tidying up that needs
to be done with farm plans, but the beach skinning
is the other one that is you know, and it's
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not just here, it's all around the countryside. That we've
seen the floods and other parts of the area, and
everybody's saying, look, if we've been able to take gravel out,
that would have helped mitigate to a certain extent some
of those things. Now it's gravel extraction is not not
not the be an end all, but there is a
lot of frustration out there that let's make it. If
we can make it simpler for people to take gravel
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out where we need it taken out, rather than being
holes in the paddocks, that would be a real win.
And that's been on my bucket list before I leave,
before I leave the building. It won't probably happen but
before then, but I'm pretty keen to take it to
council next month and see if we as an appetite
to be restless.
Speaker 1 (13:49):
Jason, here, of course, I claiming that environments South and
engagement at the material liaison catchment meetings has been minimal.
Speaker 2 (13:56):
What do you say to that.
Speaker 4 (13:58):
We have had a lot of meetings with the catchment
groups over the last couple of years. And you know,
Hugh di Gardean was one of the advocates for widening
the base for funding would rather work and he should
be a happy man actually, because you know, we listen
to a logical argument. Everybody now pays. But I think
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from that meeting was sort of a confusion that because
it was capital rates that they should we were raising
more money. Well, actually what it did was changed away
and the spread and the spread. We didn't actually raise
the amount. If they want more money spent on the rivers,
they can come along to the meetings that will before
the next annual planners. And as it was an appetite
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to spend more than obviously that the new council listened
to that.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
Recently, you've had a work supervisor for ES. He's handed
in his resignation citing budget limitations and consenting as to
his means his job. He just can't do it anymore.
Do you think the red tape problem is going to
be solved anytime soon, because it seems as you talk
about these RMA reforms, there seems to be a lot
more on the table to have to decipher.
Speaker 4 (15:06):
And look, you know, if you have to get a consent,
you have to get a consent.
Speaker 5 (15:09):
It's the same with the abatement.
Speaker 4 (15:10):
Notice, you can't have one rule for everybody else than
a different one for our own. As long as the
paperwork's done, you can get on with it. But I
know there has been frustration that people have been held up,
But you have to have somebody within the group because
going through the process, and we're trying to pass track
a lot of these consents now too, so if it's
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a simple job, we should be able to get it
out the door quite quickly and quite it was not
too much expense. So there are change changes within the building,
but until the RMA changes, we can't break the law.
Speaker 3 (15:44):
And that's that's.
Speaker 6 (15:47):
All.
Speaker 4 (15:47):
Councils are the same. We have taken to the cleaners
if you don't obey the rules of the day, and
you know that. We know that all the changes that
we're more permitted activities going forward, and I think we
will welcome that. But until that does actually happen, we've
got to do things as efficiently and as timely as possible,
and because some of them perhaps haven't been done. That's
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the paperwork in the last couple of years. There's a
priority listen there at the moment secularly around some of
the canal of money. We've got to have everything lined
up to actually qualify. So they're working through that. The
bit notice putting out a job probably won't be done
till the spring now, but once the consents been applied
for and granted, the way they go, it's as simple
(16:31):
to that as that.
Speaker 1 (16:32):
Really, if there is zari mayor re form, can we
expect environments south and reprioritize rock and willow work.
Speaker 2 (16:39):
And put their money towards gravel extraction on pressure points.
Speaker 4 (16:42):
There's a whole range of tools, and our guys will
assess what needs to be done in a certain situation.
In some places, getting rid of the gravel will work fine.
In other places, especially if we've critical infrastructure on the
other side of it, the rock will be an option.
And of course we'll and a lot of you know,
well they tied in the banks too. We've needed to
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too that. We just need to be able to have
all those tools so you can actually take the right option.
And you know, the river is always moving. But if
you can do small jobs up and that'll actually say
the big job.
Speaker 1 (17:18):
Just finally, Nicle Regarding the pricing around consent, the consenting
process in general, it seems rather expensive, Jason Herett claiming
it can go from anywhere. For gravel consents, For example,
if you can get them from two and a half
thousand dollars over fifty thousand dollars plus, which seems a
lot of money for extracting something and like at.
Speaker 4 (17:38):
Costs will only be a fraction of that. And you know,
we've had to review the local fishing games and some
of there are other agencies. People said, I've got to
get a consultant to were getting a report on it,
and that's where a lot of that money is has been.
Speaker 3 (17:54):
Has coming.
Speaker 4 (17:55):
If we can simplify that process and if it's a
complex job, you know that we've process to go through,
but a lot of the gravel contractors have been working
in those areas for years and if we're throwing your
surely it can be done quite quickly and without very
much expense. And I don't think it's getting a consent
that worries these people. It's actually the time and the cost.
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So those are the issues we do need to be sorted,
and we would have seen that are working pretty hard
on that at the moment, and including you know for wetlands,
trying trying to get a simple one out the door
within a week four thousand dollars and that's that's real progress.
Speaker 2 (18:34):
Good on your neck. I'll always appreciate your time here.
Speaker 3 (18:37):
You have a good day.
Speaker 1 (18:37):
Andy Nickel Horral, Chairman of Environments Southland. Matt Taylor's up
next and the Beef and Lamb slot.
Speaker 2 (18:44):
This is the Muster.
Speaker 4 (18:51):
The Muster Events Diary brought to you by Beef and
Lamb New Zealand Click Beef lambendz dot com.
Speaker 1 (19:03):
Matt Taylor as part of the Beef and Lambs Southern
Farmer Council. He farms up at Lawn Peak in northern
south and joins us this afternoon. Good afternoon, Mett. Welcome
to the program.
Speaker 7 (19:13):
Yeah, Andy, good after Andy.
Speaker 3 (19:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (19:16):
Yeah, it makes it suns out, guns out, not quite
to that degree, but you're based up at Lawn Peak
near Garson. It sounds as though that snow was slowly disappearing.
Speaker 3 (19:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (19:26):
Look, we don't envy the skia industry. There's so much
on the top. So it's what's what's going to keep
the river running. But the summer's going to be interesting.
But oh look Stone August, I'd rather have it now
in October.
Speaker 2 (19:38):
Yeah, the ski industry in Queenstown they'll be suffering at
the moment, are they.
Speaker 7 (19:42):
Yeah, she looks pretty bare when over got the hill,
shifting bloody balls up the hill kind of looks look
up towards Carnea. You only really see the main trails
up there at the moment.
Speaker 1 (19:50):
So well, just every season is different from the last one.
Mat now up there at lawn peak though, like I say,
you're part of the Beef and Lambs Southern Farmer Council.
It was a good wee shindig last Friday nights and
Matt Ward I had him on the program on Tuesday show.
He was a Beef and Lamb scholarship winner as well.
He just oozes positivity for the sector. It's what you
(20:13):
want to see.
Speaker 7 (20:14):
Yeah, it's quite inspiring for the future, isn't it. But
I think you know, my role as an employee here
is to make sure I get more passionate people, people
that are more passionate and smarter than me involved in
my business. And if there's an industry you can get
those kind of people that are been are smarter than
them form coming through. I think we've got a pretty
good future giving forward. I thought you did pretty well
(20:35):
carolling the bloody the panel there on Friday night and
it was Yeah, Robbie and Nigel made a few good
points here, couldn't I Yeah, it was fascinating.
Speaker 1 (20:45):
It was all about the positivity of sector and talking
about technology and the way that it's advancing. But look
about you're part of the farmer research group there at
Beef and Lamb and you talk about technology a big
one as well as AI and now it's not Ardam
fishal disseminations to keep saying it is artificial intelligence and
by the day it is just growing.
Speaker 7 (21:05):
Yeah, it's when you think about what implication it has
for the for society in general. Like I think the
Economic Forums come out and said it's going to be
eighty five billion jobs will disappear in the next two years.
That's worldwide. But you know when we went back to
the two thousands and we had the Internet coming through
and we didn't know what all these people were going
to do. But you know, Fred, we seem to be
(21:27):
busier than what we were before the Internet come around.
So but you know, as far as it goes, both
Egg and Sheep and Beef, Beef and Lambs.
Speaker 4 (21:35):
Got quite a cool AI.
Speaker 7 (21:38):
Search engine come out called Balla, so you can search
all the old research papers and it's it's not looking
at the whole web. It's just looking at the Zealand
kind of centric research papers. So you can type in
a question there about Jesus, why did I scan this?
Or any question you want and it will come back.
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Let's pretty called tech there yourself.
Speaker 2 (22:02):
Man, are you quite happy to embrace this technology?
Speaker 7 (22:06):
I think we we're going to get left behind, to
be fair, to give you an example, like you know,
in the last felve years, we're all caught up on
you beyond meats and order some investment into alternative proteins.
But you know, the total investment worldwide that the alternative
foods in the last twelve years has been about nine percent,
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and worldwide we've spent about sixty over sixty percent into
market and retail systems. But I'm not talking about these
zalainists worldwide. So you know, the application of blockchain and
AI and robotics to get us further down that value
chain and get us closer to the market and get
some more of that value back to us, it's pretty exciting.
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It's you look, it's I think the jobs that are
going to be really under threat of those kind of
intellectual roles like I was tunder and advertise the other
day and we just threw a couple of phrases and
some scenery and it come back with a half a
minute ad about our country farming, and there was AI
(23:09):
the voice over everything.
Speaker 1 (23:11):
Like copywriting, writing ads and the likes everything's up for grabs.
Speaker 3 (23:15):
Bluddy yeah, bloody eyes.
Speaker 7 (23:16):
Like if you're an account for a lawyer, like you know,
an AI can go and draft up an agreement. It's
all coming. So where we playing agriculture lit a bit
more hands on? Yeah, it's just the whole data sovereignty.
We creep a lot of data on farm and interpreting it.
And I think a lot of guys, you know, a
lot of other outfits see more value in that data
(23:38):
we click.
Speaker 5 (23:38):
Than what we do.
Speaker 7 (23:39):
So if we can get AI in there and make
some really smart soons, yeah, look, I think it's something
to be get excited about, not to fear.
Speaker 2 (23:49):
What do you think of the biggest negatives around AI?
Speaker 3 (23:52):
Though?
Speaker 1 (23:52):
Mat We talk about the positors, but surely there's got
to be a downside to this, and a lot we
say we talk about jobs.
Speaker 2 (23:57):
What else?
Speaker 6 (23:58):
Wow?
Speaker 7 (23:58):
Well, look a't the you've got all that dystopian future stuff,
haven't you that your.
Speaker 1 (24:03):
Terminator and.
Speaker 7 (24:09):
The special thing about humans that were sentient and we've
you know, we've got imagination and you know, whether it's
AI is ever going to replicate that creative side of it,
I don't know, but bloody, you know, and agriculture and
beef is like it's it's skill, but there's also a
bit of creative stuff you had. It's a complicated system
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when you so, yeah, I don't know. It's the displacement
of jobs is going to be interesting. And you know
how people are going to earn money in the future,
and that whole displacement of jobs. Yeah, just from a
society point of view, it's going to be yeah, fasonating
to watch.
Speaker 2 (24:49):
I'm telling.
Speaker 1 (24:49):
The other night they had an article about the robot Olympics.
I think in China, I needn't think anything so bizarre
in my life.
Speaker 7 (24:56):
Yeah, Well to give you one. In America, they've got
it's called mcflipper. All this robot and AI does as
foot burgers at McDonald's or any fast food outflue. I'm
trying to remember. I think that will make two hundred
million dollars more profit for fast food I almost two
hundred it was a big number. In America every year
just by getting rid of that one person that was
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minimum wage in the kitchen fucking burgers put a robot
in there. But you know, when you think about that,
that means instead of a company paying out wages, they've
got to take on debt to do the capital investment.
So where's all that money going to come from? And yeah,
just fascinating.
Speaker 1 (25:32):
Do you think they've become a time and a place
in agriculture where even labor units will be under threat
due to AI?
Speaker 7 (25:39):
Yeah, well we're saying a little bit with Collins, now,
aren't we, Like come, you know, we've got the shepherd
collars up the hill and eventually, you know, if we
could wrap some AI around that where we could measure
the residuals, feed residuals pray and post from a satellite,
and then AI interpreted it and went off and said,
oh shit, your fence needs to be or some way
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of measuring growth rates on those balls up the hill.
You know, it takes a little bit of that human
fickture out of it. I suppose, just like, yeah, get
a bit more out of that system.
Speaker 2 (26:11):
Absolutely, you're scared.
Speaker 1 (26:12):
You think that things are going to end up Matt, hey,
we better leave it there, but really interesting insight regarding technology.
You enjoy the afternoon. Hopefully the dry the ground drives
out for you and Matt Taylor. Fascinating insight regarding AI
as well.
Speaker 2 (26:30):
What was that figure?
Speaker 1 (26:30):
Eighty five million jobs gone and they're not foreseeable and
they're not too foreseeable future reason are spoorting gury Nathan Burden.
He's still got a job with us on the muster
talking about the Stags.
Speaker 4 (26:43):
We will.
Speaker 1 (26:53):
Our residents sporting. Gury Nathan Burden joins us once again.
Good afternoon, Nathan, I believe you've just tipped over a
stone at work.
Speaker 6 (27:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (27:01):
Ten years at Active Southland, which yeah, very humbling to
They put on a nice morning tea for myself and
Susie Harrington old cobber who so he's done fifteen years
reception at Active south and if anyone's had anything to
do with sport or the business, don't know, Susie.
Speaker 4 (27:21):
Wow.
Speaker 8 (27:22):
She's the person you go to if you've got any
sort of question or anything like that. She's the person
who can get it done or she can find find
that stuff out. She's pretty much the oracle when it
comes to when it comes to sport in this part
of the world. So yeah, it was really nice to
have that recognized.
Speaker 2 (27:39):
Right the matter at hand.
Speaker 1 (27:41):
James Wilson was quoted earlier on in the week with
Sam in the South and Tribune basically saying Southland's got no.
Speaker 2 (27:48):
Plane depth and just really annoying a lot of people.
Speaker 1 (27:51):
Right, So what's happened here is he's came out and
said what I've seen from the weekend. So they came
back from being up in Funaday went straight towy taotow
to watch the game and said there weren't too many
players who have been able to say in the fight
there the physicality wasn't there not what we wanted. Now,
the feedback on social media regaining us from players in
the game has been pretty immense. One guy in particular
(28:14):
teeing off and in my opinion, he's got a lot
here that I think he's right on the butt, and
so it just makes the bigger issue around the South
and Stags as such, the figure that I heard.
Speaker 2 (28:25):
Was not even a quarter of the team a south
And born and bred.
Speaker 1 (28:28):
These days, some people are saying they need to drop
the south And from the name because it's frustration all
these players that are on the fringe haven't got a
look in. And this basically says as well that James
Wilson has just told everybody what needs to happen with
the South and Rugby calendar next year, and Marge did
one with Premiere because if you're on the fringe, you're
not going to get a looking.
Speaker 8 (28:50):
Yeah, I'll have to be I have to be careful
and also probably put my conflict of interest out in
terms of my old clubmate Tinton, and I think he
was probably it was a difficult situation, and I do
understand it's a It's a pretty emotional issue too, isn't it.
We all, well, you know, a lot of us are
very passionate when it comes to Southern Rugby Club, Rugby,
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the Stags, all of that sort of stuff, and and
and this whole issue around players being imported into the
province is big enough, let alone players being imported into
the province midway through the through the competition. I think
it was probably a difficult situation your year in a
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bit of a damned if you do and damned if
you don't, if you don't talk about the fact that
they did go out and watch that representative game to
try and get a gauge on whether there was some
depth in the in the positions that they were talking about,
particularly in that in that loose forward situation. Rightly, wrongly
they've walked away from that game and decided that they
needed to go and look for something else and hay presto,
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George Reeves pops up off the bench for the for
the Stags, and that in that win last week. I
guess if there's a silver lining at all, George Reeves
played pretty well when he came to the bench and
helped the Stags, had a bit of impact there and
obviously helped in that second half comeback for the Stags.
If he had been a flop in that game, then
he would have been even more fuel on the fire,
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wouldn't they It does.
Speaker 2 (30:19):
Make him buckery.
Speaker 1 (30:20):
This high performance unit whatever the how they call it,
that are on the fringe and they practice and everything
just to get table. Actually, guys now your surface to requirement.
So I mean it was like that wy even get
them involved with the team.
Speaker 8 (30:32):
Yeah, And I couldn't hand on heart, I say, I
couldn't tell you that the four or five names of
guys who are on the fringe, who are the next
cabs off the rank in terms of that, But you
know there may be players out to your hood, and
I guess that's the whole communication thing between Rugby South
and in the high performance pathways and wedding players know
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where they actually sit in the picking order, and I
guess that there's a tricky balance that you need to
walk between giving being honest with people in terms of
where they sit and and you know what their potential
is going forward. And I guess there is a part
of me that goes, you're not going to for all.
For all the passion we have about wanting to see
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local players get ahead, you also don't want to throw
a guy up against Simon Parker, you know, up in
from Ray, who's a meeter ninety seven and one hundred
and twenty kilograms and is about to make his All
Black Test debut, who could absolutely tear some young young
guy to bit. So there is a player welfare aspect
to all of this as well.
Speaker 1 (31:36):
But there are guys on that side who have played
NPC rugby as well, and recently from the from the
country's perspective, it's a.
Speaker 8 (31:43):
Huge scratcher, isn't it and I suppose.
Speaker 2 (31:45):
Absolutely it is.
Speaker 3 (31:46):
Yeah, yep.
Speaker 1 (31:47):
And the recently I was going to pan out a lot.
They got Bay a plenty tonight on the back of
this issue and this isn't going away. I think this
is taking the scab of something. Unfortunately, Nathan anyway to
the present by a plenty tonight, by a plenty one
of the form teams. They've lost their all blacks, so
they're still looking pretty formidable.
Speaker 8 (32:05):
Yeah, they're a very good team. I watched them in
the first round. Absolutely take Tasman, who are you one
of the competition's favorites, and they took Kasman to bits
in that game. They will be disappointed that they didn't
really far a shot last week against Star Canterbury. So
unfortunately we've got them a little bit, a little bit
on the rebound and I was just having a look
(32:25):
at a headline before. They're pretty excited to be back
in total for tonight's game, back in the hangy pit
as they call it, so they will be a team
on the rebound looking to prove a point. On the
other side, you've got a stage team who where it
was just a jackal and high performance against Manowatu and
Hopefully they'll be more mister Hyde than doctor Jiglob, although
(32:48):
in a rugby context maybe you do want to be
doctor Jeckelb'm not too sure. But they want to be
more of the second half than they do the first half,
because their first half was diabolical.
Speaker 3 (32:55):
Isn't it.
Speaker 1 (32:55):
Well they're in Rasa Roer tonight with and goals arguably
as big as the twenty two.
Speaker 8 (33:00):
Yeah, it's a funny. It's a crazy dimensiond International Stadium.
Speaker 1 (33:04):
In the year Southern Boys High School once again going
to the top four. They've been doing great things.
Speaker 8 (33:11):
Clutch, absolutely clutch, aren't They haven't lost a game, at
least George since twenty fifteen, so there's generations of players
that have gone through that team that don't know what
it's like to lose at home. And their playoff record
is amazing. Second time back to the top four in
the past three years. Albeit, I think there's something There's
(33:32):
only like four returning players from that team that won
the competition two years ago, so I don't think they'll
be quite the underdogs that they were from twenty twenty three.
They'll have some sort of target on their back. I
think they get the Chiefs the Chiefs Qualifier first up.
Those other three teams are yet to be confirmed. Those
(33:55):
playoffs are all this weekend, I believe, So whatever it is,
it'll be quality rugby and we sort of swishes to
the team as they hit up there.
Speaker 2 (34:01):
Yeah, one hundred.
Speaker 1 (34:02):
Now the am Z Premiership, this is a real concern
all these players going over to Australia. Arguably a better competition,
better pay, better everything, better, lifestyle, you name it. I
don't know, but this competition is in dire straits.
Speaker 8 (34:17):
Yeah, I think we're up to what we're up to
about five silver Ferns plus some others that have got
really talented players.
Speaker 5 (34:25):
Yeh.
Speaker 8 (34:25):
So you take that out out of a competition, and
if we look at that A and Z competition this year,
obviously the depth was already an issue. You had players
who were voluntarily retired who were being called back into
service for some of those teams. Doesn't seem to be
much of a level below that at the moment, but
(34:47):
Jets it is.
Speaker 3 (34:49):
It is.
Speaker 8 (34:49):
It must be a massive concern to needbor New Zealanders
as they're looking to try and get some sort of
sustainable financial model going with that competition going forward. Just
what that products going be like when you when you
take the likes of your Kelly Jackson's and your Karen
Berger's and your topious Shelby Ricketts and your Maddy Gordon's
and all of these sorts of players out of the mix.
(35:11):
You know, in that Australian netball competition is really sort
of turning into it. It's basically going to it's turning
into like an NBA of netball pretty much. So yeah,
I just wonder what that product is going to look
like next year. If I guess if you talked about
the Super Rugby competition that had twenty past or prison
all blacks taken out of it, you know what would
(35:31):
that look like to us?
Speaker 2 (35:33):
Interesting how it pans out. Nate's always appreciate your time
on the Muster.
Speaker 8 (35:36):
Lovely thanks mate.
Speaker 1 (35:40):
Residents Sporting Gary Nathan Burdon on a Thursday afternoon. Before
you wrap up, Allen McCleary got a seur New Zealand,
welcome back to this is the Muster. Alum McCleary out
(36:01):
of Sheerwere, New Zealand joins us before we wrap up
for the afternoon.
Speaker 2 (36:04):
Good afternoon, Alla McCleary. Where about Saya today?
Speaker 6 (36:07):
There you go, and Andy you all good?
Speaker 2 (36:09):
Can't complain, sir? Where are you today?
Speaker 6 (36:12):
I'm up, I'm up Middle March today. I'm up here.
There's the snows.
Speaker 7 (36:15):
There's still a weaver on the hill.
Speaker 6 (36:16):
But you know I'm up here calling it at farmers,
delivering a few tags and during the fat with with
the cockies. So it's good.
Speaker 2 (36:25):
How's the vibe up there?
Speaker 6 (36:27):
Pretty good? You know, everybody's pretty happy. That's they've had
a bit of moisture up here, so that you know that,
you know, they're pretty happy.
Speaker 2 (36:35):
Good color in the panix.
Speaker 6 (36:37):
The Middle March.
Speaker 2 (36:41):
There you answer that there is a different shades of
brown different.
Speaker 6 (36:45):
No, there is a web of green out there all
right now, it is.
Speaker 3 (36:48):
It's good.
Speaker 6 (36:48):
The rocks are still there though they haven't washed away.
Speaker 1 (36:50):
So yeah, the rocks just never changed, do they. But
sheer well, new Zella. Last time we spoke to you,
you're over in Canada. So it was a good jaunt
over there.
Speaker 6 (37:00):
It was, yes, yeah, it was pretty hot. Well, it's
hot enough. Yeah, they got all those big fires there
as well, which we weren't very close to, but there
was plenty of smoke. But the oh, the farmers over
there seemed to be pretty happy. Donald Trump seems to
be the the main and only topic when you talk
to anybody. But yeah, but no, noo. Things looking pretty
(37:21):
good over there.
Speaker 4 (37:22):
They are.
Speaker 6 (37:22):
They are hot and dry. But where I wasn't Ontario
is mainly it's mainly corn. It's just thousands of acres
of corn.
Speaker 2 (37:31):
Now from Sheerwell HQ.
Speaker 1 (37:33):
We were fortunate enough to have Julie Edwards come up
and visit us here with you the other day. I
actually thought you might have bought some smoko with you,
as you normally do. What happened there, you drop the
ball made I was so nervous.
Speaker 6 (37:45):
I had Julie, the big boss that I had Emily,
my Aussie boss that I have to answer to, and
I just I forgot all about that made I apologize.
Speaker 2 (37:53):
Yeah, no, great to catch up with Julie.
Speaker 1 (37:55):
It sounds as though Shearwell's going gangbusters in the UK,
But like you say, over and I, these things are
already going one way too.
Speaker 6 (38:02):
Yeah they are, oh, these because they've gone mandatory in
Australia with the sheep EIDs there. Yeah, it's been a
real it's been a real race because everybody's trying to
trying to clamber in. But I don't know how many
million sheep are in Australia, but I think Sheer will
have done about twenty million tags last year, so it's
a year, it's a lot. So I don't think they've
(38:24):
really got a good hold over there and once again
doing really good.
Speaker 4 (38:28):
You know.
Speaker 1 (38:29):
Well, the good news is you got Julie's safely back
to the airport. She so she can go back to
Sheer LHQ and spread the word of Alan McCleary.
Speaker 6 (38:37):
Well, I don't know if that's a good idea or not.
I didn't see what her note said. I forgot the smoke.
Oh so I'm already on the on the down side,
an't I.
Speaker 1 (38:44):
I didn't see any rear crosses beside your name in
Julie's book or anything, so you must be going all right.
Speaker 6 (38:50):
Well, I haven't had the don't come one day, so
I suppose that's up, you know, that's looking up in
it now.
Speaker 2 (38:56):
The heat Wave special. We talked about this a week
while ago. What's happening?
Speaker 6 (39:01):
Yeah, look, it went really well, so we we've actually
decided to extend it the wee bit and the main
reason for that is the Hobbits scanning's done really well,
so there's quite a few farmers out there inquiring about it.
You know, Hobbits are twins and triplets, so they're just
sort of safeguarding themselves with that. So we decided to
(39:21):
extend it for them, and yeah, I know it is.
There's been a lot go out the door and once
again it's just a simple, basic unit that works really
well and people.
Speaker 3 (39:33):
Just love it.
Speaker 1 (39:34):
What do people really enjoy about it? Just the fact
that it makes fading animals simplastic.
Speaker 6 (39:40):
Yeah, well, it's it's at the moment it's mainly mainly
sheep farmers for the lambs. So you know, you go
around that paddock and you've got a wee land that's
not one hundred percent and you think I should take
it home, but mum's already got ten and she's going
to hit me over the head with it, so that
seems to you know, they bring him home, they put
them on the heat wave and that's the end of it.
(40:00):
And they're because they're able feeding. You know, you're not
out with bottles and that, and the lambs do a
lot better. They don't get that glut feeding and that
blow and those we popped bellies full of the shitty asses.
Speaker 4 (40:12):
You know.
Speaker 6 (40:12):
They do do really well on them, so and there's
not much to go wrong with them. They're pretty simple,
so it's a they're a real winner.
Speaker 1 (40:20):
Really what as simple as the design of the sheerwheal tag,
it's so simplastic, get it works so well. But Alan,
you're telling me there's a new range of colors coming
out Neon colors and facts that are reminiscent of your
raving days from the early to mid nineties.
Speaker 6 (40:37):
All right, man, I wasn't next year that in my mind,
But there we go.
Speaker 2 (40:40):
There you go. The brighter the color, the better it
sticks out on the proverbial, no, look we are.
Speaker 6 (40:46):
Our colors have always been pretty what we called flat.
The brighter you make the color, they're easier, they fade.
But we've been listening to the farmers and saying because
Kiwi's use the color tag a lot more than they
do around the world. Everybody else is using i DS
and it's really only the mandatory where we're doing age
groups and be mobs and everything else. So we do
(41:07):
spend a bit of time on the on the drafting
gate doing colors. So they've been they've been asking us
to do brighter colors, so the boss has listened. We've
brought out a brighter green that looks really good, and
they're working on about four or five other different colors
will make them brighter and make them still UV safe,
so they're not going to fade or go brittle of that.
So it is a bit of a science. But we
(41:28):
are listening and then we and they are taking action.
So it's brilliant yep, but.
Speaker 2 (41:31):
It won't be glowing the dark least get that click.
Speaker 6 (41:35):
Well, we've better shut that conversation down pretty quick. Mate.
Speaker 4 (41:38):
Where you go with that?
Speaker 1 (41:39):
I'm just saying, look a glowing the dark sheep tag
just running around, Look at the esthetics.
Speaker 6 (41:44):
Why do you want to see a sheep in the
dark for it?
Speaker 4 (41:46):
You don't?
Speaker 2 (41:47):
They're glowing the glowing the dark sheep tag.
Speaker 1 (41:49):
Man, they come out of everything these day's talking about
AO before going to AI and ask about a glowing,
glowing the dark sheep tag.
Speaker 2 (41:56):
Yeah, and nonetheless, look, it's quite a bit going on.
Speaker 1 (41:59):
You can coming down south and over the next couple
of days, he's just helping out with a few clients.
Speaker 6 (42:04):
I am, I've got a guy there where I'm going
down to try a new speedy tagger. I'm going to
show them that and and mock and reader. So I've
got a I've got a thousand odd to tag tomorrow morning,
so or Friday.
Speaker 2 (42:15):
No Friday morning, So tomorrow's Friday, is it right?
Speaker 6 (42:19):
So it's Friday. I am all done tomorrow on Friday. Then, Oh,
I know, mate, it's been so busy. You know, I've
had those big bosses over here, all.
Speaker 2 (42:27):
The streets of the big boss being here. Eh, he's
taking his toll on you.
Speaker 4 (42:31):
Look.
Speaker 1 (42:32):
What isn't taking his toll though, is the quality of
the shierhear tag, Allen McCleary.
Speaker 2 (42:36):
If somebody wants to get in touch, how do they
do it?
Speaker 3 (42:38):
Right?
Speaker 6 (42:39):
Yeah, give me a tingle on two seven two three
two double four, double eight, And if you really want to,
you can ring ray on eight hundred and seven triple
nine eight nine. But mate, he's he's under the pump
poking tags out at the moment. So Mike Peter annoying
me and leave ray alone.
Speaker 2 (42:55):
Good Onia, Ellen, since you're on the line, we'll let
you listen to this.
Speaker 6 (43:00):
Half out loud with ag proud because life on the
land can be a laughing matter brought to us by
sheer Well data working to help the livestock farmer, a.
Speaker 2 (43:10):
Sperm downer, a carpenter and Julius Caesar. Walking to a room.
He came, he saw, he conquered.
Speaker 6 (43:19):
I don't understand it.
Speaker 1 (43:21):
Some things in life a better left misunderstood. Alan McCleary,
always appreciate your time on the muster. So great to
have Sheerwell involved.
Speaker 6 (43:27):
David ten again, Oh thanks Mandy, catching out of mate.
Speaker 2 (43:32):
He just called me Mady.
Speaker 1 (43:33):
I'll get let him away with Alan McCleary from Sheerwell,
New Zealand seeing us out for a Thursday afternoon.
Speaker 2 (43:38):
I'm Andy Muir.
Speaker 1 (43:38):
This has been the muster on Hock and now he
thinks the Peter's genetics see the morrow one o'clock.
Speaker 2 (43:46):
Hey, well all that too, he'll go there.
Speaker 5 (43:47):
And what did he go on to get?
Speaker 1 (43:48):
For time for a stock sale report from Charlton thanks
to PGG Wright Send Dave Morrison's on the line to.
Speaker 2 (43:53):
Fillo us on and all the details tea. All good afternoon.
How did it go?
Speaker 3 (43:58):
As Andy?
Speaker 5 (43:59):
You a pretty what they say probably required us one
with head all season to start the prime lambs. The
best of the prime Lambs heavy heavy lamb two fifty
forty two fifty medium Lambs sort of one y five
one ninety and just with the light of prime lambs
and he won it sort of one fifty one sixty.
But like said, very small yea in there today. Into
(44:20):
the U section here once again the U seven are
really taken off your the best of the use heavy
use one milliums sort of one fifteen, one twenty. What's
the life and this news when they're sort of sixty
to seventy dollars stare lambs only hand forward Lambs store
pins in today and that market's probably easy a litet
bit there, the best of the store sort of one thirty.
Speaker 3 (44:42):
Five obviously because really well through the season there
Speaker 5 (44:46):
And the smaller smaller Lambs for ninety five hundred dollars
and the rep of that many
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