September 1, 2025 • 45 mins
Andy Muir talks to Graham Butcher, Grant McMaster, Hilary Copland, McKenzie Frear, Tom O'Brien and Andrew Martin.
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Speaker 1 (00:11):
Good afternoon, and welcome to the muster on Hakanui. I'm
dy meer here until two o'clock this afternoon thanks to
Peter's genetics. Appreciate your company on a day that sees
all the extremes of weather. Currently a bit of sunshine
out and about, but don't leave that for you. Some
hideous showers have been through town. We'll talk with a
shortly music for today the who a great fact about
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this song later on in the Yow I got asked
about it in the moon the other night after tennis,
a couple of individuals saying, what is a song about? Well,
later on we shall reveal, shall we? Five Day four
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dot co dot nzi. This afternoon cloudy, we're breezy, we
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see our westerly is a nine. Wednesday cloudy we're breezing
or westerly three and third saying Thursday cloudy with riezy
nor Westley six and sixteen. Friday thunderstorms developing west northwesteries
two and twelve, and Saturday showers of raezy Westley's three
and ten, so not the best forecast, but hopefully things
pan themselves out sooner than later. So temperatures Clinton seven,
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Harriet five point nine, Northern South And six point five,
Riverton eight point four, tian Now six point four, Tittoro seven,
Winton five point eight and Woodland six point nine. With
Graham Butcher farm Consultant kicking off the muster for a
Tuesday filled up by Grant Disaster McMaster, a close friend
station Hillary Copeland of Bannerman Crookshank Pride. The lawyers talking
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employment law. Mackenzie Freyer from West to Taga Young Farmers
has a chat. And then Tom O'Brien based in Garston,
but he's helping out with some work on the Kingston
Flyer this afternoon, so we catch up the time and
see what that's all about. Andrew Martin for PGG writes
and towses about the latest lorn bull stock sol seeing
how those prices are holding up pretty good at the moment,
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and we'll start the hour event with Graham Butcher. There's
this a muster until two o'clock. Thanks to Peter's genetics,
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Graham Butcher fun Consultant joins us in studio once again Graham,
good afternoon.
Speaker 2 (02:28):
Howon and Andy, I'm very good, thank you.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
Now it's the start of the September cycle. From your perspective,
how things been in the lead up?
Speaker 2 (02:36):
Oh, excellent.
Speaker 1 (02:37):
Winter.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
Couldn't have asked for more. Actually it was quite warm
and relatively dry. But are we kicking the tail a
few hard frost later on? It's been reasonably wet, I
suppose the last few days. So just to remind us
that it's we're just getting out of winter.
Speaker 1 (02:52):
Specterl reflectance is our topic today.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
Yes, very interesting topic. I decided to sit down and
learn as much as I could about it yesterday, which
is a long time. But this is all about measuring
grass from space now sort of. As we all know,
grass absorbs red and blue light for photosynthusis not green.
That's why it's green because it reflects green. If it
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absorbed green, all grass would be red and blue, which
would be pretty unusual. So anyway, healthy grass spored has
a very low red and blue reflectance. It's absorbing it,
it's not reflecting it. Hence it's green and has a
very high green reflectance. Obviously, that's why it's green. What
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space telemetry does it actually measures the reflectance of the grass,
and from a farm management point of view, I mean,
if you can measure it successfully from space, it's very
quick so that you can cover big areas very quickly,
so you know, it's got a lot of things going
for it. Once they do the measurements of the reflectance
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of the grass, measuring different wavelengths in the red and
blue sector, there's a whole lot of not a whole lot.
I've come across four different algorithms they can use that
they put the measurements into those algorithms, and the termin
not only herbage mass, but a few other things like
crew proteins and whatever you as well. But we're just
focusing on herbage mass at the moment. I tried to
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find some studies on comparing satellite measurements with grass with
the more traditional methods like herbige analysis cut and measured trimetter.
So I found a Swiss study that was published in
twenty twenty. Now that's five years ago, which is a
relatively long time in the science of space technology, I suppose.
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But they measured they had six farms in Switzerland, three
plots per farm. They had two plots that were grazed,
one that was cut for silage, and they used their
measurements done an island to compare to work out just
how many kilograms of draymatically was there. So the result
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of all that at the end of the day was
there was a ninety nine point seven percent era absolute era,
which is pretty large and from a farm management point
of view wouldn't actually work. So just reading through the paper,
one of the issues was that the IRIS calibration didn't
suit Swiss farming techniques. The Swiss farms had multi multi
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species pastures and they were generally running at higher covers,
and what the IRIS calibration was about. The IRIS calibration
peaked at about twenty four hundred ks and it was
seventy five percent grass and the rest was clover, So
not a very good calibration, but a very high era.
So the real critical point with spectral reflectance and getting
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a decent or inaccurate if you like cover on New
Zealand farms is that the calibration has got to be
spot on. It's got to be relevant to the past
of species we have, probably relevant to the latitudes we have.
So calibration is absolutely critical and I'm not one hundred
percent sure that the calibrations have been where they should
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be at the moment. For measuring in New Zealand, once
we get to get an accurate measure of the grass
from space, we need good calibrations. So that's ground proving,
if you like. So anyone who's using satellite telemetry to
measure their grass should probably well not probably should should
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actually try and ground prove as much as they can
that it's relevant to their farm. Otherwise they could run
into a whole lot of issues. And the Swiss one, remember,
had a nearly hundred percent era in the measurements, but
their calibration, they agreed in the paper, wasn't actually one
hundred percent, So calibration is critical. A couple of other things.
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There's an issue called structure or saturation reflectance. Now that's
all about when grass is growing, it keeps absorbing the
red and the blue bands and reflects green. It keeps going,
keeps going, keeps going, and it absorbs the maximum amount
of light that it can, but it's still keeping growing.
So if you're measuring the reflectance at high herbage masses,
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you're probably underestimating the pasture cover. Now, in the Swiss
study they found that looking at the red and blue
bands that at around thirteen hundred k's of dry matter,
the herbidge mass actually tailed off and in some cases
went to zero, but the grass still kept growing because
the reflectants reached minimum. But the grass keep growing because
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it was still absorbing the light kept growing, but it
wasn't the satellites couldn't pick up that difference. So saturation
reflectance is an issue quite a big shoe in my book.
There's ways apparently weighs around that by measuring different wavebands
and what have you. And also if you measure height
of pasture, they can correct the algorithm by measuring the height.
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And apparently they can do that from space as well,
because they do a measurement on very low covers or
beer ground and they can measure the height, which is
staggering really because we're talking what twenty twenty five thirty
centimeters and measuring that from five hundred k's in space
is actually I don't know how they do it, but
apparently they can.
Speaker 1 (08:30):
Okay, whether we are talking about the era of AI
or that the industry of AIP, how is that going
to affect like some measuring pasture on farm, how's it
going to affect. Yeah, it's going to be another tool
in the toolbox, is it not?
Speaker 2 (08:44):
It could be providing we get a calibration right and
providing we get these areas like saturation reflectance right as well.
We've got issues with cloud cover, we've got issues with
atmospheric interference as well. So it's a growing science. It's
developing quickly, but gushing at the moment. Is your calibration right?
Speaker 1 (09:02):
Are you learning more about AI, for instance, when you're
talking to farmers, because farmers are embracing it more and
more by the day they are from what you're doing.
Do you think it's something we need to embrace as
an industry.
Speaker 2 (09:13):
I think these areas where AI could be probably quite important. Yes,
just a growing industry will become relevant to New Zealand farming,
no question. So the key point from that study is calibration. Calibration, calibration.
That's the important thing. And I'm not convinced that it's
up to speed at the moment.
Speaker 1 (09:34):
And the reason to see how it pans out, Graham,
Always appreciate your time, might need your rank out this afternoon, Graham,
But a fun consultant, Grant McMaster, is that next in
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this we got supporters five miles around. We goun the
heart we're raised on thanks to Arby Rural. We go
up to Lake Rocket Tipper and catch up with great
disaster McMaster who farms at close burn station disaster. Good afternoon.
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I'm playing this song at least once a day for
the remainder of the week. While actually while the Stags
got the shield the Roaring Pen by the sweet Eaters
hell of an occasion in Hamilton on Sunday evening.
Speaker 3 (10:31):
Oh, good afternoon, Andy, good after everybody. Yet, it was
a really proud moment for South and the game and
well done that team. It was just magnificent and done
hearing all the excuses about this and that, but you know,
that was a squad of guy that went up there
and they put their bodies on the line, and by god,
they didn't leave anything out there and they made us
all proud again.
Speaker 1 (10:50):
Yeah, And just talking to a few people saying, these
allbacks coming into the way, Kaddow squad more than anything,
were probably more of a disruption based on how the
team went the week before against the Anaki.
Speaker 3 (11:00):
Yeah, I reckon if they might be better to put
some of the Stags players into the bloody Aarbacks team
because it could be quite a good result.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
At closer in station. It's weird.
Speaker 3 (11:09):
Yeah, it is wet. It's it's the sun shining now.
It's about eight degrees soil temperatures three point five, so
it's enough to give a few more gray hairs. But no,
it's just that time here we've had. We've had sort
of rain twenty meals, ten meals, five meals, and small
snow went around last night around the tops and up
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the back of Closeburn as well. So it's it's just
been cold enough and not really not ideal for the
feed utilization that I was talking about and with confidence
just after we surely use but it's yeah, no, it's
just not so good. But then again, compared to last year,
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it's a lot better because it will just continual rain
week after week, wasn't it. So at least we're getting
a bit of a break. And as I've said before
the show that it doesn't take long for it for
the ground to dry out here. So I didn't seed. Yes,
I did feed balley yesterday and just started raining when
I did that, and that I didn't feed any this morning,
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so it was just a bit bit damp and greasy,
but you know they're picking up most of the baylor
just good quality baylors. But yeah, the old padd it's
a bit dirty looking and if the glass is pretty low,
but I think Thursdays it's not so got it meant
to pick up a little bit after that. But really
nice to have these we get in these breaks with
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a bit of sun when we do.
Speaker 1 (12:35):
Tell you what Brant you talked list last week tangue
in cheek about we need to organize a tour of
the Chadam Islands. We've actually got a bit of feedback
courtesy of Batman at RB Rural saying people were coming
in to his work the next afternoon asking how they
can get involved with this tour. Have we started something here?
Speaker 3 (12:51):
I hope we have because it was sort of tongue
in cheek, but you know, I'd really like to go there.
If we could take a group there and have a
look at the farming side of it would be the Irish.
It'd be good for both people. They'd be good for
the Chatam Islanders. I'd imagine it'd be quite good for us.
So yeah, we might have to look in a bittle
bit more andy.
Speaker 1 (13:09):
Yeah, and also shout out to Ginny sent me a
text the other day regarding the Gregory hunts. So I
talked about going to school with the Monamrou greg and
Karen's children from pitt Islands were from over that way.
Karen nee Heath was read in Wyndham read her dad
was Henry Heath who had a fruit shop. Small world.
That was from Ginny. Thanks for the feedback, So I
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under is sing when you talk about these things and
these little musings, how they get a bit of engagement
as well about people reminiscing.
Speaker 3 (13:36):
Yeah, absolutely, and you look at you know when you
read those articles as these names come up, and yeah,
it's the old thing, these zelands of small places and
that you know somebody you know somewhere. I went to
school with the Scofields and they spent time on the
Chatham Island and I think that's probably when I first
probably got to hear of it.
Speaker 1 (13:53):
To be fair, freedom campaign is a big issue up
there in central Otago, especially around Queenstown. But you're talking
about pyramits in the light. So you've got to do
consents for is that right?
Speaker 2 (14:02):
Well?
Speaker 3 (14:03):
Yeah, so a couple of years ago, and I mean
there's a difference between freedom camping and free camping. And
I think most of these people are trying to go
free camping, and so particularly where we live, Loat Lake
and is a pretty popular area now. A couple of
years ago the q l d C, the Queenstown Lakes
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Sister Council put a van on freedom camping basically from
Queenstown up to Milaukee. You know, dangers road, nowhere to go,
no toilet orning like that monea Home association association. They
went to court and they disputed that and said it
couldn't be done and by the lead of the Lord,
legislation needs to change. So as a result they won
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the case and the people are people are camping again.
Now the council have of the in the post yes
of drafting a new a new freedom camping floor. So
as a result of that, I got a core from
my neighbors a couple of weeks ago. He said the
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missions closed, and he rang on the Friday lunchtime. He
said submissions closed in four years time. He said, cratsy
to get one that effects us. So I put a
submission into the q LDC and just said that, you know,
I didn't think it was a good idea freedom camping
at Moat Lake for two reasons, well there's three reasons.
But there's a perfectly good dock camping ground at Moat
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Lake which has a warden, it has running water, and
it has toilets. And at the bottom of Moat Lake
four k's long towards Minrche is the twelve mile camping Belter,
which also has a warden, running water and toilets. So
one of the things was, so I said, you know,
as far as we're concerned, we don't want people camping
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on the farm. So that the road Lake Road goes
right out through the Moat Lake obviously, and either side
of the road it's not really wide and it's not
really suitable for it. But so what it transpired was
that the council put this out there and you were
given they are on the on the email. Would you
be prepared to expect to your submission, which I said
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I would. So you were given five minutes and the
council headquarters that ten people said around and you told
them what you know what I put forward our reasons,
and one of the bigger reasons it was fire. So
you know we've got where you've got the wardens. You know,
that's kept people from the warden keeps nye. No fires
getting out of control. With freedom camps, it's just it's
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a human thing about camping. Let's slide a fire and
we're in the red zone went for dangers, so you
know that's a big threat. With fern Hill, just our
pine retreat above us, a big settlement there, Fernhill Queen's sound,
so if something went wrong, it would go pretty quick.
So that was that was the direction I went, and
I listened to a few and other people said the
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same same. But I guess it come down to and
it's not the council's faults. Well, no one's fault really,
but the council employed a company to put some subgections
in the company basically said, well, you know you could
freedom camp in all of these areas, and so that's
from from right over to Mount Nicholas, World of Peak.
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So you know you've got the dock camping ground that's
at Mavora, but then that opens up right into into
World of Peak, into Mount Nicholas, into the branches everywhere
and basically just put a circle round the basin and
people you can camp there. So it's it's it's it's
going to be quite interesting to see what happens. So
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as a result, two days of submission and then the
and that's to try and get a new camping by
law that's going to going to going to suit everybody.
So it's it's different people that have motor homes and
are south contained. But one of the problems that we
have is those little little vehicles that have the self
contained spacetis. Yeah. And I mean, as I said at
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the at the at the submissions, I said, those little
things couldn't contain a fart, let alone a number one
or number two. So that's what we're dealing with. I mean,
it's and one of the submitters said, you know they're
on about free camping, not freedom camping, and this affects
the town as well. And with that, you know, you
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have you don't have rubbish tins, you don't have people clip,
you don't have toilets, and the counts will out in
a position to be able to to enforce the regulations
when they come in because that understaff. So yeah, it's
a bit of a problem. Let's let's hope we get
a we get a result. And I think the thing
at the end of the day is we do have
good camping grounds and for the for the Department Conservation,
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and they should be they should be used. And let's
keep the rubbish in the in the crap of their
of our highways and fast.
Speaker 1 (18:54):
Yeah. Always appreciate your time, mate.
Speaker 3 (18:57):
Thanks Andy, and let's go to the channel.
Speaker 1 (19:00):
We've done the hot grab McMaster thanks to arb Rare
before we go to the chatt and let's go to
RepU Park on Saturday when we beat Kenaby kick that shield, eh,
Hillary Copeland, don't next Bannamin Crookshank Pride right, we don't
get hold again. Welcome back. You're listening to the muster
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on Hak and Nouie. I'm Andy Mule. Our next guest
is Hillary Copeland from Bannaman Crunkshank Pride of the lawyers
based right here and go Hillary Hells eggs.
Speaker 4 (19:34):
Good Andy, how are you?
Speaker 1 (19:36):
I'm not too bad? Employment basics. It's a very very
relevant topic, especially when it comes to lammy or carving time.
But there's certain things in there. We just take this
right back to the very base. It's about what we
need to know about this Hillary. What's some common things
that often get overlooked.
Speaker 4 (19:51):
And I guess that's something that's just come up recently
of head. Someone talked to me about this, and I
guess there's two key things I thought it would be
worth refreshing on, which is one is employment agreements and
the other is performance issues and employment disputes. So employment agreements,
I feel like I've talked to I know I've talked
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about this before, but legally you everyone should have an
employment written employment agreement, and that includes things like renumeration, leave, entitlements,
any dispute resolution, provisions, termination, et cetera. And a lot
of those things are governed by the law, and there
are already minimum entitlements such as sick leave and agreevement
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leave and annual leaving things. What is really important, I think,
so we can set up ten plate agreements, but the
key thing is effectively having a shoe tool and having
a good job description, because I think that helps with
the longevity of an employment relationshship that people know where
they're at. The other thing that comes across our desk
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quite a lot, and is been a change again in
the law relatively recently, is ninety day trial periods, so
lots of people know that you can have a ninety
day trial period, but they don't know the key criteria
for it to be valid. So I thought it was
worth touching on that because I've had people say, oh,
I've got a ninety day trial and I'm like, no, sorry,
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you haven't met the requirements. So for a ninety day
trial period to be valid, the employee must not have
worked for the employer previously.
Speaker 3 (21:29):
It must be.
Speaker 4 (21:29):
Communicated and writing to the employee, ie in their employment contract,
and that contract must be signed before they commence work.
They also need a part of that contract will also
say that they have sufficient time to get legal advice,
so that needs to be covered off. And then, because
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it's really important, all of that has done before that
commence employment, and then if you need the benefit of
the ninety day trials, it's effectively a you know, to
see if they can do what even hoping they can,
and if they don't meet your needs within ninety days,
then you can dismiss them and they you can give
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them notice of termination within that ninety days and they
are not impowerful to bring a personal agreement to any
other legal proceedings in relation to the dismissal process. So
for some people it's a really beneficial clause to having
a contract. There was a time there where it was
only available for employee ers with less than twenty employees,
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but it's back to open up now to all employees. See,
that's something to be mindful of for keep in mind
where you're hiring people.
Speaker 1 (22:44):
Hillary, Are we still seeing people going into jobs and
there's no employment contracts to be signed? Is that still
a thing?
Speaker 5 (22:51):
Yes?
Speaker 4 (22:51):
And I'd say probably the farming sectors probably a little
bit bad at that. Historically. I think a lot of
the farming sector in particular, it's you know, it's word
of mouth and reputation. And I'm still a big advocate
for that because I think you know your reputations everything,
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whatever sector you're in. But yeah, look, I just see
so many dispute matters come up, so it's like, let's
you have it in writing. And I ever say that
dural description is really helpful because you've got a clear
record of what the intention is and any and especially
again in the farming sector, there's lots of.
Speaker 3 (23:35):
Hurts to the job.
Speaker 4 (23:36):
You know, it might be getting a I don't know,
a mutton or half kettle beef or whatever, all of
those things. As that is part of the package. Let's
just write it down, so there's no arguments or wet
weather gear, you know, wet wether gear, annually new coverage,
whatever it is.
Speaker 3 (23:52):
You know.
Speaker 4 (23:52):
I know I've twisted my husband's arm at home to
get onto that. And I think often you just have
one staff members, so you get a bit relaxed about it.
But I think we need to be better at doing it.
And it just means there's no gray area in this
room for disputes going forward.
Speaker 1 (24:09):
So the ninety days as far as an agricultural sense,
so it's pretty pragmatic thinking. I suppose, like I've been there,
done that, You've got an individual on farm, they don't
meet your criteria. But unfortunately, a lot of the time
you're seeing everything placed in the power of the employee,
and as an employee, you just find it really frustrating
because you're trying to run a business. You need the
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right stuff.
Speaker 4 (24:33):
Yeah, and there's certain yeah, yeah, as I say it
used to it used to be available to everyone. Then
there was a period where it was only available for
if you had nineteen or less employees or small to
medium size, and now it's opened back up again. So
it is quite a handy tool. And I think if
you go and say, right, we're going to do this
ninety day, let's see how it works out, there's no
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one's under any illusions. And I guess that's the other thing.
I guess that leads me onto the next part to
performance issues and disputes. So you know, like anything, nothing's
guaranteed to be perfect and forever. So the key thing
with leading on to that, you know, touching on performance
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issues in any employment disputes as an employer, all the
Employment Relations Act is based on acting in good faith
and acting fairly and reasonably.
Speaker 3 (25:26):
So what we what I.
Speaker 4 (25:29):
Often see is I'll have an employer come to me
because they've got an employee who's not performing to the
standard required. They're either outside the ninety day period or
didn't have that clause. All their pay is not meeting
the expected standards, so they might have been tetering into
misconduct or serious misconduct territory. So the days of pulling
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an employee aside and having a word are gone. And
I feel like the farming sector probably history was quite
notorious for taking that approach because reputation was everything, and
you know it, let's just be pragmatic and get on
with it. But it's an again and everyone's best interest
to have a more formal process. So if you have
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a formal process, it means that you can go down
that disciplinary route if you need to. So it might
be that you issue are written warning or you set
up performance review process and worst case scenario it ends
and termination of the employment of relationship. You don't if
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you only have informal discussions and there's no written record.
If you come to me, I'm going to say, well,
we've got to start from scratch because you need to
be doing everything right and having it. You know, it's
your word against the word kind of thing. But if
you've dealt with it properly, you've got a good written record.
Often the issue can get sorted relatively simply and the
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parties move on. And if it doesn't get sorted, at
least you've got those formal records and you can progress
it if you need into a formal disciplinary procedure.
Speaker 1 (27:08):
Hillary the team of Bannaman, Crookshank Pride the best way
for people to get in touch.
Speaker 4 (27:13):
Check us out on our website cp Law dot co
dot Nzeed.
Speaker 1 (27:17):
Hillary Coopeland always appreciate your time on the Muster. Awesome
Hillary Copeland of Bannaman Crookshank Pride the Lawyers on a
Tuesday afternoon. Mackenzie frays up next from West to Taga
Young Farmers, and before the end of the hour, Thomas
O'Brien based up there in Garston. Welcome back to the
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Muster and Hakanui the who is the artist today? Pinball Wizard.
Hell of a game that pinball back in the day,
especially the old school when you had the bowels and
the whistles go off. None of the electronics that came up.
It was all analog scoring. It's a bit of a
blast from the past. Mackenzie Fryer joins us next out
of Western Tager Young Farmers. McKenzie, good afternoon when you
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go to town. Have you ever ever been inclined to have
a game of pinball? Boy chance? Has it ever been
your jab?
Speaker 6 (28:13):
I'm not gonna lie. It was probably a little bit
before my time, but definitely intriguing young farmers.
Speaker 1 (28:19):
You're a member of the West Tager Young Farmers Club.
McKenzie house. Things been yeah good.
Speaker 6 (28:24):
We've been really busy recently and ramping up for another
big year.
Speaker 1 (28:28):
So what's been going on club wise col So in June.
Speaker 6 (28:32):
We had our AGM where our new exec was elected,
and then following that we also did our first ever ball,
which was a massive success and we had the best time.
I think quite a few locals came out and yeah,
I had a great night.
Speaker 1 (28:47):
So who's the executives there at wester Tiger Young Farmers.
Speaker 6 (28:50):
So we've got a newly executed chair Christine, and I'm
myself and vice chair, and then we've got quite a
few other locals all on the execu as well. I
won't read all off all the names otherwise we'll be
here all day.
Speaker 1 (29:04):
Obviously, not a problem getting people to put their hands
up to do jobs.
Speaker 6 (29:08):
Yeah, No, We've got a fantastic team that are all
really eager to help out with everything.
Speaker 1 (29:13):
So what was the appeal for you joining Young Farmers McKenzie?
What's your story with the organization?
Speaker 6 (29:18):
So I moved to the area about two years ago
and I moved down knowing absolutely no one, so it
was a really easy way to meet some people and
make some lifelong friends.
Speaker 1 (29:30):
So it's a no brainer for you moving into a
new area. Just Young Farmers seem to have wearing a
mouth out there to come and meet people. Was that
the way it worked? Yeah?
Speaker 6 (29:39):
Absolutely. I was a part of Young farmers clubs all
over the country before moving down here, so when I
heard that there was a local one, I had to
get amongst that.
Speaker 1 (29:47):
So whereabouts were you before Northwestern Targo?
Speaker 6 (29:49):
I was in christ Church and then before that I
was actually in Tottleness.
Speaker 1 (29:54):
So it was a catalyst moving to Southend. Was it
for work?
Speaker 5 (29:57):
Yep?
Speaker 6 (29:57):
Yep, Joe, opportunity got too good of an offic turn down.
Speaker 1 (30:01):
As far as the club membership, boys, how's it looking.
Speaker 6 (30:05):
Really good? But we're always keen for more members. We've
actually got our monthly meeting this Wednesday at seven o'clock
at the Forest Lodge Hotel. So anyone that's keen to
get out there meet some more like minded people come along.
Speaker 1 (30:20):
How many people would you get come along to the
meetings normally, McKenzie.
Speaker 6 (30:24):
We've got a really good core groups that are there
about ten of us, and every so often we've got
some new members. We've had some meetings go up to
fifteen twenty people before, which has been great. With a
whole heap of events coming up as well, we've got
a bit of an attraction for people to come along.
Speaker 1 (30:40):
So what are those events that are coming up?
Speaker 6 (30:42):
So we've got one of our major fundraisers for the
year coming up, which is our Kids Halloween Disco. So
we host a pretty much address up party disco for
all the local kids. So any kids from twelve and
under welcome to come along on the thirty first of
October from five till eight at the Tetanoi Rugby Club.
Speaker 1 (31:06):
You guys did the maze maze last year as well?
Is that correct? Yes, we did the maze Maze. That's
the way to do. But how did it go? Are
you looking at doing it again later on in the Yet?
Speaker 6 (31:17):
It did take a lot of planning and I don't
think probably wink went as well as we'd all hope.
So we're open to doing it again if that's something
that the community's after. It's definitely something that we could
talk about. We'd love to do it. It's just don't
know how well. Yeah, the crop was able to be
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used afterwards, unfortunately.
Speaker 1 (31:41):
Well, the planning that goes into something like that logistically
must be a bit of a nightmare.
Speaker 6 (31:47):
It's pretty good when you've got a good team around you,
and we've got such a fantastic club that everyone's always
eager to help out and get things going.
Speaker 1 (31:55):
Just finally, as well, you talk about a couple of events,
what else, what do you do for fundraising there? What
do you guys do to get the mula rolling in?
Speaker 6 (32:02):
Yeah so, doing events like the ball and the disco
tend to be made your fundraiseres But because we've got
so many handy, helpful people in the club, we've also
got just higher a hand kind of services going as well,
where if you're needing an extra hand for any of
the busy season, you can get in touch with us
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and we'll be more than happy to try and offer
our services.
Speaker 1 (32:26):
So you guys are going to try and keep in
touch during the busy season. Landing slash carving.
Speaker 6 (32:31):
Yeah so we've been doing our monthly meetings and then
we also have winter dinner catch ups, so alternating weeks
we have a catch up and go out to dinner somewhere.
Everyone off farm and Yeah, but a social connection.
Speaker 1 (32:47):
Now, Facebook channel, I suppose Instagram that'll be where people
get in touch possibly TikTok with this generation.
Speaker 6 (32:53):
Yeah no, so we've got our Facebook page and that's
pretty active. So all the details are posted there about
all of our up and coming events, our meetings if
you're needing extras to the hands, our fundraisers. So that's
just called West Otago Young Farmers.
Speaker 1 (33:10):
Awesome. Mackenzie appreciated the chat this afternoon. You stayed dry
out there.
Speaker 6 (33:15):
Thanks, have a good.
Speaker 1 (33:16):
One, sure, Mackenzie Frere from wes Young Farmers not a
fan of Pimbale. Thomas O'Brien is up next. We're going
from West Otago to northern Northern Southland. How's everything with
Tommy Tappa. This is the master on Hakanui. The song
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is called Barbara O. Riley.
Speaker 3 (33:44):
Now.
Speaker 1 (33:44):
Austin Smith and Nicol Gray hit me up in the
pub after tennis last week asking me what the heck
Barbara Riley was about in regards to his song. So
here you go, Cracker and Ousty. Barbara Riley is not
an actual person, but a portmanteau that's pronounced correctly. Of
the two main inspirations for the who's guitarist Pete Townsend
meyhair barber, who is an Indian spiritual master, and Terry Riley,
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a minimalist composer whose influence was heard in the song's
iconic synth risk riff. The title reflects Townshend's attempt to
create a barber in the style of Terry Riley, and
also alludes to the song's theme of desolation and teenagers
events like Woodstock and teenage waste Slam, which is the
key line in that song it has sung throughout the
song was a working title derived from Towsyan's observations of
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a trash and waste left behind by fans at a
Woodstock concert, and despite the lyrical content, the title Barbara
Riley was chosen to honor his two muses rather than
reflect the desolation he witnessed, so Cracker and Osty. I
hope that clarifies that for you. Tom O'Brien, our next guest,
he'll be listening of interest in that song, Tommy, Good afternoon,
Barbara Ry. It's a hell of a tune, but awfully
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confusing if you don't know what it's about.
Speaker 5 (34:53):
Well, truth you told mate. I'm pretty confused by that intro.
It was pretty pretty fully loaded. But you know, what
do you expect from the Who and Pete towns here
fantastic artist, fantastic musician. God The songwriting and the Who's
pretty pretty amazing. Really, Yeah, great band. But yeah, I
don't know. I could see the Send years being a
bit of an influenced by a bit of you know,
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Indian philosophy and Numa Stay type styles. Andy.
Speaker 1 (35:18):
Yeah, you're based up in Garston. You're helping up the
Kings and Fly this afternoon the season not far away.
Sounds like you're stripping down a motor or some bearings
or something. What's to go?
Speaker 5 (35:27):
Oh, well, there's a bit going on. You know, pre
season always sort of ramps things up of it around
to tender, you know, second day of spring. So at
the moment, my mate Dave and I are just getting
ready to head up the track. We mark out old
rotten sleepers and then we take out the screws or
the dog spikes, and then we've got a whole lot
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of new sleepers that are going to be coming in
and we'll be replacing those sleepers. So there's that's going on.
Dave has also been working on a couple of the carriages,
so he's a join us and among other talents, and
he's been doing quite a lot of woodworking on the farriergers.
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And then we've got Neville who'll be coming up and
doing quite a bit of work on the engine. He'll
be concentrating on stripping off all the all of the
fittings off the boiler. Yeah, and just getting the fixing
on the boiler and bapical. We're just fixing any dips
and bobs that we need prefeason really.
Speaker 1 (36:29):
How long does the sleeper last on the Kingston rail line? Oh?
Speaker 5 (36:33):
Well, some of the sleepers will be taking out are
probably close to eighty odd years old, so you know
they originally would have been made of Jarrah hardwood, Australian
Jarrah hardwood. A lot of the speakers we use nowadays
the macrocarpa.
Speaker 1 (36:47):
As far as stripping down the Kingstom flow, how many
manails does it take to prepare it for the upcoming season?
Speaker 5 (36:54):
Oh it's a hard one, mate, because yet it's not
truly actually start taking all the settings off that you're
really sort of underst and what needs to happen. You know,
there's a lot of you know, because it's so old
school in every sense of the words. You know, getting
getting some of the getting some of the bits and
bobs that you needed can be quite difficult. It's just
very specialized, you know, engineering side of things. But there's
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a lot of sort of repacking, got what we call
repacking the glands and yeah, just a lot of cleaning
and a lot of stealing things up and you know,
replacing nuts and bolts and stuff. So I don't know,
it's it's not thousands of ours, but probably one hundred
of hours pre season, I would say, yeah, because.
Speaker 1 (37:35):
There's not like a flat pack when you're left of
a couple of screws at the end, you can go
through and recorrect it doing a big motorlight down on
a locomotive train for goodness sakes, and another kettle official together.
Speaker 5 (37:45):
Yeah, well, we don't have a big enough allen key
for you know, nuts and bolts on the old on
the old engine. Mate. But actually, actually another interesting is
that the Flyer has got an anniversary coming up. Yeah,
so seven we've got two engines seven ninety five and
seven seven eight. What a the day that one hundred
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one hundred years old. Really we're going to make a
bit of a celebration of that around Labor weekend. So yeah,
so yeah, an oldie, but a goodie in every sense
of the word. Right.
Speaker 1 (38:22):
I think everybody from my vintage anyway and northern South
and remembers going on the Kingsto and Flyer in the
early eighties, and the great Crunchy Train Robbery of course
firmed on it back in the day. That's iconic.
Speaker 3 (38:34):
I believe that.
Speaker 5 (38:35):
I think you're right. I think that was filmed in
nineteen seventy nine, and I remember that ad watching that
ad as a kid as well. And of course we
all you know, up until relatively recently, we also used
to have the greats hold up on the train. A
few of the local farmers would jump on the horses
and ride along the side of the track and would
slow the train down. And then they watched du barriages
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and you know, they'd have their their faces covered up
with masks, and they'd every cowboy hats and and you know,
guns and all that sort of stuff with the bolts out,
and they'd come through and rob everyone on the train.
And then they would come through with a big, a
big sort of chip full of crunchy dars and in
the mouth, and it was great fun.
Speaker 1 (39:15):
I was just about to say, they need to hand
out crunchy bars. That is brilliant. I didn't realize the
locals were in on this. It's fantastic.
Speaker 5 (39:22):
Yeah, yeah, no, it was really really good. I think, yeah,
you wouldn't. You wouldn't be allowed to do it nowadays.
It's sort of the health and safety rules would pretty
much stop you from doing any of that sort of
stuff now. But but it was. It was really really
fun to be a part of. And highly skilled horseman
as well. So you know that the driver and the
fire and had to sort of slow the train right
down so enough so that they could actually from the
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horse actually onto the carriage, which is pretty impressive to watch.
So absolutely, yeah, but yeah, it's you know, we're looking
forward to a really good season. We've got really good
forward bookings with you wholesalers and bound operators, you know,
bus to a company so so so the so the
Pubbers is looking to sort of extend its ability to
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accommodate a lot of those people on buses, say in
clement weather, you know, we can put them out into
the into the carriage where the train with the where
the Pubbers and they can have their lunch and time
and so forth. So so yeah, here's still a good season.
Speaker 1 (40:23):
When does it start the season?
Speaker 3 (40:27):
October the first?
Speaker 5 (40:29):
We're not far away a month, We're just a month
some months out. Yeah, So that's kind of like, well, oll,
we better we better start building up to eat a
steam before the season kicks off.
Speaker 1 (40:39):
So great, punt Ah look out and that's brilliant, tom
Hey will leave it there, Mate, always fascinating to talk
and especially regarding the kings and flyer. Believe it there,
and I'll always appreciate your time on the muster. Mate.
Speaker 5 (40:56):
I appreciate as well.
Speaker 1 (40:57):
Mate.
Speaker 5 (40:57):
Capture later.
Speaker 1 (41:02):
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This has been the muster on Hakanoy Mini cheers to
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Stock selling action comes to us courtesy of PGG, writes
and Andrew Martin tells us all about the Laundville sale
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that was held this morning, good afternoon. How was it?
Was it?
Speaker 3 (41:47):
Cool as cool and wet?
Speaker 7 (41:50):
First thing, We actually had a pretty rough night down
in this in this part of south to be fair,
but it's it seems to have blown through and hopefully
we're on the hopefully we're on the upside, but smaller shale.
But the prices just keep continuing to be strong, and
if anything, just probably getting stronger. And you say, if
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we start with the lambs, for start, the best of
those two sixty through the three twenty second cup prime
lambs at two twenty to two fifty five, with the
bottom edge of the prime lambs at one seventy three
to two ten, best of the US at one forty
to one sixty, the seconds at one ten to one
two five thirds at ninety five to one oh five
were very light to condition us in the seventy to
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eighty five dollars range, best of the rams seventy five
to eighty, the seconds at sixty and lighter rams, and
the forty to fifty dollars bracket, and to the stores
we go. Those good stores are still still being sought after.
There in the one fifty to one sixty dollars bracket,
the seconds at one thirty five to one forty with
the third cattle lambs, those smaller lambs just starting to
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be not quite as sought after. At this time. He
are now in the ninety to one hundred and twenty
dollar bracket. We are getting the start of the using
lamb starting to trickle in and they range from one
hundred and twenty eight through the one hundred and thirty
four dollars for counted small yardings of sheep on offer.
But as as as said, the prices are very very good.
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Into the kettle we go prime cattle the best of
the stairs five to fifty kilos are better four fifty
to four fifty five per kilo heffers at four forty
ks or better. They range from four dollars forty five
through the four to fifty per kilo cows.
Speaker 3 (43:35):
Medium cows in the.
Speaker 7 (43:36):
Four eighty to five hundred kilow breckt wor at two
seventy and caos four twenty three to four fifty kilos
also at two dollars seventy per kilo same as a sheep.
Smaller yarding and strong demand into the stores we go
medium sized yarding a store kettle two stairs at three
ninety six kilos made two thousand and thirty dollars. To
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here for cross stairs at three hundred and forty kilows
made fifteen hundred and eighty dollars. Some R two here
for cross heafers three hundred and seventy three kgs made
eighteen hundred and twenty dollars. Into the yealing market we
go freezing stairs nice typee well breed freezing stairs ranging
from two ninety three to three hundred and ten k's.
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They range from twelve to fifty through to three hundred
and ten. Some one year old straight beef South Devon
mix six yellings at two eighty seven k's made sixteen
hundred dollars, and some R one medium here for cross
heifers at one hundred and seventy kilows made eight hundred
and forty dollars. Medium sized ydding is suggested a strong market,
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especially four those older are to cattle and into the
body calves at this time of the year. Best of
the here for cross balls up to two hundred and
forty dollars, the second cut of those and one to
eighty through two hundred. The here Ford cross heifers topped
out at one hundred and forty dollars, with the second
cups at ninety to one hundred dollars and freezing balls.
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They were in the freezing ball carves eighty to ninety
dollar bracket. Quality beef cross carves still very much in
demand and selling well. And what's the freezing ball carves?
Just a limited limited buying support there. Just to shout
out to any of your farmers close to or around
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the in Votago store. We're in the new premises now
just on the south end of the wall store on
Fox Street, and I'd encourage all farmers if they get
a chance to have a look at the new drive
through facility. There's lots in store there, and Andrew and
the team are there and welcoming all existing and new suppliers.
And then Abit wraps us up from Lorbal Salio
Good afternoon, and welcome to the muster on Hakanui. I'm
dy meer here until two o'clock this afternoon thanks to
Peter's genetics. Appreciate your company on a day that sees
all the extremes of weather. Currently a bit of sunshine
out and about, but don't leave that for you. Some
hideous showers have been through town. We'll talk with a
shortly music for today the who a great fact about
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this song later on in the Yow I got asked
about it in the moon the other night after tennis,
a couple of individuals saying, what is a song about? Well,
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see our westerly is a nine. Wednesday cloudy we're breezing
or westerly three and third saying Thursday cloudy with riezy
nor Westley six and sixteen. Friday thunderstorms developing west northwesteries
two and twelve, and Saturday showers of raezy Westley's three
and ten, so not the best forecast, but hopefully things
pan themselves out sooner than later. So temperatures Clinton seven,
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Harriet five point nine, Northern South And six point five,
Riverton eight point four, tian Now six point four, Tittoro seven,
Winton five point eight and Woodland six point nine. With
Graham Butcher farm Consultant kicking off the muster for a
Tuesday filled up by Grant Disaster McMaster, a close friend
station Hillary Copeland of Bannerman Crookshank Pride. The lawyers talking
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employment law. Mackenzie Freyer from West to Taga Young Farmers
has a chat. And then Tom O'Brien based in Garston,
but he's helping out with some work on the Kingston
Flyer this afternoon, so we catch up the time and
see what that's all about. Andrew Martin for PGG writes
and towses about the latest lorn bull stock sol seeing
how those prices are holding up pretty good at the moment,
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and we'll start the hour event with Graham Butcher. There's
this a muster until two o'clock. Thanks to Peter's genetics,
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Graham Butcher fun Consultant joins us in studio once again Graham,
good afternoon.
Speaker 2 (02:28):
Howon and Andy, I'm very good, thank you.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
Now it's the start of the September cycle. From your perspective,
how things been in the lead up?
Speaker 2 (02:36):
Oh, excellent.
Speaker 1 (02:37):
Winter.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
Couldn't have asked for more. Actually it was quite warm
and relatively dry. But are we kicking the tail a
few hard frost later on? It's been reasonably wet, I
suppose the last few days. So just to remind us
that it's we're just getting out of winter.
Speaker 1 (02:52):
Specterl reflectance is our topic today.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
Yes, very interesting topic. I decided to sit down and
learn as much as I could about it yesterday, which
is a long time. But this is all about measuring
grass from space now sort of. As we all know,
grass absorbs red and blue light for photosynthusis not green.
That's why it's green because it reflects green. If it
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absorbed green, all grass would be red and blue, which
would be pretty unusual. So anyway, healthy grass spored has
a very low red and blue reflectance. It's absorbing it,
it's not reflecting it. Hence it's green and has a
very high green reflectance. Obviously, that's why it's green. What
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space telemetry does it actually measures the reflectance of the grass,
and from a farm management point of view, I mean,
if you can measure it successfully from space, it's very
quick so that you can cover big areas very quickly,
so you know, it's got a lot of things going
for it. Once they do the measurements of the reflectance
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of the grass, measuring different wavelengths in the red and
blue sector, there's a whole lot of not a whole lot.
I've come across four different algorithms they can use that
they put the measurements into those algorithms, and the termin
not only herbage mass, but a few other things like
crew proteins and whatever you as well. But we're just
focusing on herbage mass at the moment. I tried to
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find some studies on comparing satellite measurements with grass with
the more traditional methods like herbige analysis cut and measured trimetter.
So I found a Swiss study that was published in
twenty twenty. Now that's five years ago, which is a
relatively long time in the science of space technology, I suppose.
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But they measured they had six farms in Switzerland, three
plots per farm. They had two plots that were grazed,
one that was cut for silage, and they used their
measurements done an island to compare to work out just
how many kilograms of draymatically was there. So the result
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of all that at the end of the day was
there was a ninety nine point seven percent era absolute era,
which is pretty large and from a farm management point
of view wouldn't actually work. So just reading through the paper,
one of the issues was that the IRIS calibration didn't
suit Swiss farming techniques. The Swiss farms had multi multi
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species pastures and they were generally running at higher covers,
and what the IRIS calibration was about. The IRIS calibration
peaked at about twenty four hundred ks and it was
seventy five percent grass and the rest was clover, So
not a very good calibration, but a very high era.
So the real critical point with spectral reflectance and getting
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a decent or inaccurate if you like cover on New
Zealand farms is that the calibration has got to be
spot on. It's got to be relevant to the past
of species we have, probably relevant to the latitudes we have.
So calibration is absolutely critical and I'm not one hundred
percent sure that the calibrations have been where they should
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be at the moment. For measuring in New Zealand, once
we get to get an accurate measure of the grass
from space, we need good calibrations. So that's ground proving,
if you like. So anyone who's using satellite telemetry to
measure their grass should probably well not probably should should
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actually try and ground prove as much as they can
that it's relevant to their farm. Otherwise they could run
into a whole lot of issues. And the Swiss one, remember,
had a nearly hundred percent era in the measurements, but
their calibration, they agreed in the paper, wasn't actually one
hundred percent, So calibration is critical. A couple of other things.
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There's an issue called structure or saturation reflectance. Now that's
all about when grass is growing, it keeps absorbing the
red and the blue bands and reflects green. It keeps going,
keeps going, keeps going, and it absorbs the maximum amount
of light that it can, but it's still keeping growing.
So if you're measuring the reflectance at high herbage masses,
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you're probably underestimating the pasture cover. Now, in the Swiss
study they found that looking at the red and blue
bands that at around thirteen hundred k's of dry matter,
the herbidge mass actually tailed off and in some cases
went to zero, but the grass still kept growing because
the reflectants reached minimum. But the grass keep growing because
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it was still absorbing the light kept growing, but it
wasn't the satellites couldn't pick up that difference. So saturation
reflectance is an issue quite a big shoe in my book.
There's ways apparently weighs around that by measuring different wavebands
and what have you. And also if you measure height
of pasture, they can correct the algorithm by measuring the height.
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And apparently they can do that from space as well,
because they do a measurement on very low covers or
beer ground and they can measure the height, which is
staggering really because we're talking what twenty twenty five thirty
centimeters and measuring that from five hundred k's in space
is actually I don't know how they do it, but
apparently they can.
Speaker 1 (08:30):
Okay, whether we are talking about the era of AI
or that the industry of AIP, how is that going
to affect like some measuring pasture on farm, how's it
going to affect. Yeah, it's going to be another tool
in the toolbox, is it not?
Speaker 2 (08:44):
It could be providing we get a calibration right and
providing we get these areas like saturation reflectance right as well.
We've got issues with cloud cover, we've got issues with
atmospheric interference as well. So it's a growing science. It's
developing quickly, but gushing at the moment. Is your calibration right?
Speaker 1 (09:02):
Are you learning more about AI, for instance, when you're
talking to farmers, because farmers are embracing it more and
more by the day they are from what you're doing.
Do you think it's something we need to embrace as
an industry.
Speaker 2 (09:13):
I think these areas where AI could be probably quite important. Yes,
just a growing industry will become relevant to New Zealand farming,
no question. So the key point from that study is calibration. Calibration, calibration.
That's the important thing. And I'm not convinced that it's
up to speed at the moment.
Speaker 1 (09:34):
And the reason to see how it pans out, Graham,
Always appreciate your time, might need your rank out this afternoon, Graham,
But a fun consultant, Grant McMaster, is that next in
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this we got supporters five miles around. We goun the
heart we're raised on thanks to Arby Rural. We go
up to Lake Rocket Tipper and catch up with great
disaster McMaster who farms at close burn station disaster. Good afternoon.
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I'm playing this song at least once a day for
the remainder of the week. While actually while the Stags
got the shield the Roaring Pen by the sweet Eaters
hell of an occasion in Hamilton on Sunday evening.
Speaker 3 (10:31):
Oh, good afternoon, Andy, good after everybody. Yet, it was
a really proud moment for South and the game and
well done that team. It was just magnificent and done
hearing all the excuses about this and that, but you know,
that was a squad of guy that went up there
and they put their bodies on the line, and by god,
they didn't leave anything out there and they made us
all proud again.
Speaker 1 (10:50):
Yeah, And just talking to a few people saying, these
allbacks coming into the way, Kaddow squad more than anything,
were probably more of a disruption based on how the
team went the week before against the Anaki.
Speaker 3 (11:00):
Yeah, I reckon if they might be better to put
some of the Stags players into the bloody Aarbacks team
because it could be quite a good result.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
At closer in station. It's weird.
Speaker 3 (11:09):
Yeah, it is wet. It's it's the sun shining now.
It's about eight degrees soil temperatures three point five, so
it's enough to give a few more gray hairs. But no,
it's just that time here we've had. We've had sort
of rain twenty meals, ten meals, five meals, and small
snow went around last night around the tops and up
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the back of Closeburn as well. So it's it's just
been cold enough and not really not ideal for the
feed utilization that I was talking about and with confidence
just after we surely use but it's yeah, no, it's
just not so good. But then again, compared to last year,
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it's a lot better because it will just continual rain
week after week, wasn't it. So at least we're getting
a bit of a break. And as I've said before
the show that it doesn't take long for it for
the ground to dry out here. So I didn't seed. Yes,
I did feed balley yesterday and just started raining when
I did that, and that I didn't feed any this morning,
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so it was just a bit bit damp and greasy,
but you know they're picking up most of the baylor
just good quality baylors. But yeah, the old padd it's
a bit dirty looking and if the glass is pretty low,
but I think Thursdays it's not so got it meant
to pick up a little bit after that. But really
nice to have these we get in these breaks with
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a bit of sun when we do.
Speaker 1 (12:35):
Tell you what Brant you talked list last week tangue
in cheek about we need to organize a tour of
the Chadam Islands. We've actually got a bit of feedback
courtesy of Batman at RB Rural saying people were coming
in to his work the next afternoon asking how they
can get involved with this tour. Have we started something here?
Speaker 3 (12:51):
I hope we have because it was sort of tongue
in cheek, but you know, I'd really like to go there.
If we could take a group there and have a
look at the farming side of it would be the Irish.
It'd be good for both people. They'd be good for
the Chatam Islanders. I'd imagine it'd be quite good for us.
So yeah, we might have to look in a bittle
bit more andy.
Speaker 1 (13:09):
Yeah, and also shout out to Ginny sent me a
text the other day regarding the Gregory hunts. So I
talked about going to school with the Monamrou greg and
Karen's children from pitt Islands were from over that way.
Karen nee Heath was read in Wyndham read her dad
was Henry Heath who had a fruit shop. Small world.
That was from Ginny. Thanks for the feedback, So I
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under is sing when you talk about these things and
these little musings, how they get a bit of engagement
as well about people reminiscing.
Speaker 3 (13:36):
Yeah, absolutely, and you look at you know when you
read those articles as these names come up, and yeah,
it's the old thing, these zelands of small places and
that you know somebody you know somewhere. I went to
school with the Scofields and they spent time on the
Chatham Island and I think that's probably when I first
probably got to hear of it.
Speaker 1 (13:53):
To be fair, freedom campaign is a big issue up
there in central Otago, especially around Queenstown. But you're talking
about pyramits in the light. So you've got to do
consents for is that right?
Speaker 2 (14:02):
Well?
Speaker 3 (14:03):
Yeah, so a couple of years ago, and I mean
there's a difference between freedom camping and free camping. And
I think most of these people are trying to go
free camping, and so particularly where we live, Loat Lake
and is a pretty popular area now. A couple of
years ago the q l d C, the Queenstown Lakes
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Sister Council put a van on freedom camping basically from
Queenstown up to Milaukee. You know, dangers road, nowhere to go,
no toilet orning like that monea Home association association. They
went to court and they disputed that and said it
couldn't be done and by the lead of the Lord,
legislation needs to change. So as a result they won
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the case and the people are people are camping again.
Now the council have of the in the post yes
of drafting a new a new freedom camping floor. So
as a result of that, I got a core from
my neighbors a couple of weeks ago. He said the
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missions closed, and he rang on the Friday lunchtime. He
said submissions closed in four years time. He said, cratsy
to get one that effects us. So I put a
submission into the q LDC and just said that, you know,
I didn't think it was a good idea freedom camping
at Moat Lake for two reasons, well there's three reasons.
But there's a perfectly good dock camping ground at Moat
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Lake which has a warden, it has running water, and
it has toilets. And at the bottom of Moat Lake
four k's long towards Minrche is the twelve mile camping Belter,
which also has a warden, running water and toilets. So
one of the things was, so I said, you know,
as far as we're concerned, we don't want people camping
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on the farm. So that the road Lake Road goes
right out through the Moat Lake obviously, and either side
of the road it's not really wide and it's not
really suitable for it. But so what it transpired was
that the council put this out there and you were
given they are on the on the email. Would you
be prepared to expect to your submission, which I said
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I would. So you were given five minutes and the
council headquarters that ten people said around and you told
them what you know what I put forward our reasons,
and one of the bigger reasons it was fire. So
you know we've got where you've got the wardens. You know,
that's kept people from the warden keeps nye. No fires
getting out of control. With freedom camps, it's just it's
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a human thing about camping. Let's slide a fire and
we're in the red zone went for dangers, so you
know that's a big threat. With fern Hill, just our
pine retreat above us, a big settlement there, Fernhill Queen's sound,
so if something went wrong, it would go pretty quick.
So that was that was the direction I went, and
I listened to a few and other people said the
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same same. But I guess it come down to and
it's not the council's faults. Well, no one's fault really,
but the council employed a company to put some subgections
in the company basically said, well, you know you could
freedom camp in all of these areas, and so that's
from from right over to Mount Nicholas, World of Peak.
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So you know you've got the dock camping ground that's
at Mavora, but then that opens up right into into
World of Peak, into Mount Nicholas, into the branches everywhere
and basically just put a circle round the basin and
people you can camp there. So it's it's it's it's
going to be quite interesting to see what happens. So
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as a result, two days of submission and then the
and that's to try and get a new camping by
law that's going to going to going to suit everybody.
So it's it's different people that have motor homes and
are south contained. But one of the problems that we
have is those little little vehicles that have the self
contained spacetis. Yeah. And I mean, as I said at
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the at the at the submissions, I said, those little
things couldn't contain a fart, let alone a number one
or number two. So that's what we're dealing with. I mean,
it's and one of the submitters said, you know they're
on about free camping, not freedom camping, and this affects
the town as well. And with that, you know, you
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have you don't have rubbish tins, you don't have people clip,
you don't have toilets, and the counts will out in
a position to be able to to enforce the regulations
when they come in because that understaff. So yeah, it's
a bit of a problem. Let's let's hope we get
a we get a result. And I think the thing
at the end of the day is we do have
good camping grounds and for the for the Department Conservation,
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and they should be they should be used. And let's
keep the rubbish in the in the crap of their
of our highways and fast.
Speaker 1 (18:54):
Yeah. Always appreciate your time, mate.
Speaker 3 (18:57):
Thanks Andy, and let's go to the channel.
Speaker 1 (19:00):
We've done the hot grab McMaster thanks to arb Rare
before we go to the chatt and let's go to
RepU Park on Saturday when we beat Kenaby kick that shield, eh,
Hillary Copeland, don't next Bannamin Crookshank Pride right, we don't
get hold again. Welcome back. You're listening to the muster
(19:24):
on Hak and Nouie. I'm Andy Mule. Our next guest
is Hillary Copeland from Bannaman Crunkshank Pride of the lawyers
based right here and go Hillary Hells eggs.
Speaker 4 (19:34):
Good Andy, how are you?
Speaker 1 (19:36):
I'm not too bad? Employment basics. It's a very very
relevant topic, especially when it comes to lammy or carving time.
But there's certain things in there. We just take this
right back to the very base. It's about what we
need to know about this Hillary. What's some common things
that often get overlooked.
Speaker 4 (19:51):
And I guess that's something that's just come up recently
of head. Someone talked to me about this, and I
guess there's two key things I thought it would be
worth refreshing on, which is one is employment agreements and
the other is performance issues and employment disputes. So employment agreements,
I feel like I've talked to I know I've talked
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about this before, but legally you everyone should have an
employment written employment agreement, and that includes things like renumeration, leave, entitlements,
any dispute resolution, provisions, termination, et cetera. And a lot
of those things are governed by the law, and there
are already minimum entitlements such as sick leave and agreevement
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leave and annual leaving things. What is really important, I think,
so we can set up ten plate agreements, but the
key thing is effectively having a shoe tool and having
a good job description, because I think that helps with
the longevity of an employment relationshship that people know where
they're at. The other thing that comes across our desk
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quite a lot, and is been a change again in
the law relatively recently, is ninety day trial periods, so
lots of people know that you can have a ninety
day trial period, but they don't know the key criteria
for it to be valid. So I thought it was
worth touching on that because I've had people say, oh,
I've got a ninety day trial and I'm like, no, sorry,
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you haven't met the requirements. So for a ninety day
trial period to be valid, the employee must not have
worked for the employer previously.
Speaker 3 (21:29):
It must be.
Speaker 4 (21:29):
Communicated and writing to the employee, ie in their employment contract,
and that contract must be signed before they commence work.
They also need a part of that contract will also
say that they have sufficient time to get legal advice,
so that needs to be covered off. And then, because
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it's really important, all of that has done before that
commence employment, and then if you need the benefit of
the ninety day trials, it's effectively a you know, to
see if they can do what even hoping they can,
and if they don't meet your needs within ninety days,
then you can dismiss them and they you can give
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them notice of termination within that ninety days and they
are not impowerful to bring a personal agreement to any
other legal proceedings in relation to the dismissal process. So
for some people it's a really beneficial clause to having
a contract. There was a time there where it was
only available for employee ers with less than twenty employees,
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but it's back to open up now to all employees. See,
that's something to be mindful of for keep in mind
where you're hiring people.
Speaker 1 (22:44):
Hillary, Are we still seeing people going into jobs and
there's no employment contracts to be signed? Is that still
a thing?
Speaker 5 (22:51):
Yes?
Speaker 4 (22:51):
And I'd say probably the farming sectors probably a little
bit bad at that. Historically. I think a lot of
the farming sector in particular, it's you know, it's word
of mouth and reputation. And I'm still a big advocate
for that because I think you know your reputations everything,
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whatever sector you're in. But yeah, look, I just see
so many dispute matters come up, so it's like, let's
you have it in writing. And I ever say that
dural description is really helpful because you've got a clear
record of what the intention is and any and especially
again in the farming sector, there's lots of.
Speaker 3 (23:35):
Hurts to the job.
Speaker 4 (23:36):
You know, it might be getting a I don't know,
a mutton or half kettle beef or whatever, all of
those things. As that is part of the package. Let's
just write it down, so there's no arguments or wet
weather gear, you know, wet wether gear, annually new coverage,
whatever it is.
Speaker 3 (23:52):
You know.
Speaker 4 (23:52):
I know I've twisted my husband's arm at home to
get onto that. And I think often you just have
one staff members, so you get a bit relaxed about it.
But I think we need to be better at doing it.
And it just means there's no gray area in this
room for disputes going forward.
Speaker 1 (24:09):
So the ninety days as far as an agricultural sense,
so it's pretty pragmatic thinking. I suppose, like I've been there,
done that, You've got an individual on farm, they don't
meet your criteria. But unfortunately, a lot of the time
you're seeing everything placed in the power of the employee,
and as an employee, you just find it really frustrating
because you're trying to run a business. You need the
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right stuff.
Speaker 4 (24:33):
Yeah, and there's certain yeah, yeah, as I say it
used to it used to be available to everyone. Then
there was a period where it was only available for
if you had nineteen or less employees or small to
medium size, and now it's opened back up again. So
it is quite a handy tool. And I think if
you go and say, right, we're going to do this
ninety day, let's see how it works out, there's no
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one's under any illusions. And I guess that's the other thing.
I guess that leads me onto the next part to
performance issues and disputes. So you know, like anything, nothing's
guaranteed to be perfect and forever. So the key thing
with leading on to that, you know, touching on performance
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issues in any employment disputes as an employer, all the
Employment Relations Act is based on acting in good faith
and acting fairly and reasonably.
Speaker 3 (25:26):
So what we what I.
Speaker 4 (25:29):
Often see is I'll have an employer come to me
because they've got an employee who's not performing to the
standard required. They're either outside the ninety day period or
didn't have that clause. All their pay is not meeting
the expected standards, so they might have been tetering into
misconduct or serious misconduct territory. So the days of pulling
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an employee aside and having a word are gone. And
I feel like the farming sector probably history was quite
notorious for taking that approach because reputation was everything, and
you know it, let's just be pragmatic and get on
with it. But it's an again and everyone's best interest
to have a more formal process. So if you have
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a formal process, it means that you can go down
that disciplinary route if you need to. So it might
be that you issue are written warning or you set
up performance review process and worst case scenario it ends
and termination of the employment of relationship. You don't if
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you only have informal discussions and there's no written record.
If you come to me, I'm going to say, well,
we've got to start from scratch because you need to
be doing everything right and having it. You know, it's
your word against the word kind of thing. But if
you've dealt with it properly, you've got a good written record.
Often the issue can get sorted relatively simply and the
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parties move on. And if it doesn't get sorted, at
least you've got those formal records and you can progress
it if you need into a formal disciplinary procedure.
Speaker 1 (27:08):
Hillary the team of Bannaman, Crookshank Pride the best way
for people to get in touch.
Speaker 4 (27:13):
Check us out on our website cp Law dot co
dot Nzeed.
Speaker 1 (27:17):
Hillary Coopeland always appreciate your time on the Muster. Awesome
Hillary Copeland of Bannaman Crookshank Pride the Lawyers on a
Tuesday afternoon. Mackenzie frays up next from West to Taga
Young Farmers, and before the end of the hour, Thomas
O'Brien based up there in Garston. Welcome back to the
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Muster and Hakanui the who is the artist today? Pinball Wizard.
Hell of a game that pinball back in the day,
especially the old school when you had the bowels and
the whistles go off. None of the electronics that came up.
It was all analog scoring. It's a bit of a
blast from the past. Mackenzie Fryer joins us next out
of Western Tager Young Farmers. McKenzie, good afternoon when you
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go to town. Have you ever ever been inclined to have
a game of pinball? Boy chance? Has it ever been
your jab?
Speaker 6 (28:13):
I'm not gonna lie. It was probably a little bit
before my time, but definitely intriguing young farmers.
Speaker 1 (28:19):
You're a member of the West Tager Young Farmers Club.
McKenzie house. Things been yeah good.
Speaker 6 (28:24):
We've been really busy recently and ramping up for another
big year.
Speaker 1 (28:28):
So what's been going on club wise col So in June.
Speaker 6 (28:32):
We had our AGM where our new exec was elected,
and then following that we also did our first ever ball,
which was a massive success and we had the best time.
I think quite a few locals came out and yeah,
I had a great night.
Speaker 1 (28:47):
So who's the executives there at wester Tiger Young Farmers.
Speaker 6 (28:50):
So we've got a newly executed chair Christine, and I'm
myself and vice chair, and then we've got quite a
few other locals all on the execu as well. I
won't read all off all the names otherwise we'll be
here all day.
Speaker 1 (29:04):
Obviously, not a problem getting people to put their hands
up to do jobs.
Speaker 6 (29:08):
Yeah, No, We've got a fantastic team that are all
really eager to help out with everything.
Speaker 1 (29:13):
So what was the appeal for you joining Young Farmers McKenzie?
What's your story with the organization?
Speaker 6 (29:18):
So I moved to the area about two years ago
and I moved down knowing absolutely no one, so it
was a really easy way to meet some people and
make some lifelong friends.
Speaker 1 (29:30):
So it's a no brainer for you moving into a
new area. Just Young Farmers seem to have wearing a
mouth out there to come and meet people. Was that
the way it worked? Yeah?
Speaker 6 (29:39):
Absolutely. I was a part of Young farmers clubs all
over the country before moving down here, so when I
heard that there was a local one, I had to
get amongst that.
Speaker 1 (29:47):
So whereabouts were you before Northwestern Targo?
Speaker 6 (29:49):
I was in christ Church and then before that I
was actually in Tottleness.
Speaker 1 (29:54):
So it was a catalyst moving to Southend. Was it
for work?
Speaker 5 (29:57):
Yep?
Speaker 6 (29:57):
Yep, Joe, opportunity got too good of an offic turn down.
Speaker 1 (30:01):
As far as the club membership, boys, how's it looking.
Speaker 6 (30:05):
Really good? But we're always keen for more members. We've
actually got our monthly meeting this Wednesday at seven o'clock
at the Forest Lodge Hotel. So anyone that's keen to
get out there meet some more like minded people come along.
Speaker 1 (30:20):
How many people would you get come along to the
meetings normally, McKenzie.
Speaker 6 (30:24):
We've got a really good core groups that are there
about ten of us, and every so often we've got
some new members. We've had some meetings go up to
fifteen twenty people before, which has been great. With a
whole heap of events coming up as well, we've got
a bit of an attraction for people to come along.
Speaker 1 (30:40):
So what are those events that are coming up?
Speaker 6 (30:42):
So we've got one of our major fundraisers for the
year coming up, which is our Kids Halloween Disco. So
we host a pretty much address up party disco for
all the local kids. So any kids from twelve and
under welcome to come along on the thirty first of
October from five till eight at the Tetanoi Rugby Club.
Speaker 1 (31:06):
You guys did the maze maze last year as well?
Is that correct? Yes, we did the maze Maze. That's
the way to do. But how did it go? Are
you looking at doing it again later on in the Yet?
Speaker 6 (31:17):
It did take a lot of planning and I don't
think probably wink went as well as we'd all hope.
So we're open to doing it again if that's something
that the community's after. It's definitely something that we could
talk about. We'd love to do it. It's just don't
know how well. Yeah, the crop was able to be
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used afterwards, unfortunately.
Speaker 1 (31:41):
Well, the planning that goes into something like that logistically
must be a bit of a nightmare.
Speaker 6 (31:47):
It's pretty good when you've got a good team around you,
and we've got such a fantastic club that everyone's always
eager to help out and get things going.
Speaker 1 (31:55):
Just finally, as well, you talk about a couple of events,
what else, what do you do for fundraising there? What
do you guys do to get the mula rolling in?
Speaker 6 (32:02):
Yeah so, doing events like the ball and the disco
tend to be made your fundraiseres But because we've got
so many handy, helpful people in the club, we've also
got just higher a hand kind of services going as well,
where if you're needing an extra hand for any of
the busy season, you can get in touch with us
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and we'll be more than happy to try and offer
our services.
Speaker 1 (32:26):
So you guys are going to try and keep in
touch during the busy season. Landing slash carving.
Speaker 6 (32:31):
Yeah so we've been doing our monthly meetings and then
we also have winter dinner catch ups, so alternating weeks
we have a catch up and go out to dinner somewhere.
Everyone off farm and Yeah, but a social connection.
Speaker 1 (32:47):
Now, Facebook channel, I suppose Instagram that'll be where people
get in touch possibly TikTok with this generation.
Speaker 6 (32:53):
Yeah no, so we've got our Facebook page and that's
pretty active. So all the details are posted there about
all of our up and coming events, our meetings if
you're needing extras to the hands, our fundraisers. So that's
just called West Otago Young Farmers.
Speaker 1 (33:10):
Awesome. Mackenzie appreciated the chat this afternoon. You stayed dry
out there.
Speaker 6 (33:15):
Thanks, have a good.
Speaker 1 (33:16):
One, sure, Mackenzie Frere from wes Young Farmers not a
fan of Pimbale. Thomas O'Brien is up next. We're going
from West Otago to northern Northern Southland. How's everything with
Tommy Tappa. This is the master on Hakanui. The song
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is called Barbara O. Riley.
Speaker 3 (33:44):
Now.
Speaker 1 (33:44):
Austin Smith and Nicol Gray hit me up in the
pub after tennis last week asking me what the heck
Barbara Riley was about in regards to his song. So
here you go, Cracker and Ousty. Barbara Riley is not
an actual person, but a portmanteau that's pronounced correctly. Of
the two main inspirations for the who's guitarist Pete Townsend
meyhair barber, who is an Indian spiritual master, and Terry Riley,
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a minimalist composer whose influence was heard in the song's
iconic synth risk riff. The title reflects Townshend's attempt to
create a barber in the style of Terry Riley, and
also alludes to the song's theme of desolation and teenagers
events like Woodstock and teenage waste Slam, which is the
key line in that song it has sung throughout the
song was a working title derived from Towsyan's observations of
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a trash and waste left behind by fans at a
Woodstock concert, and despite the lyrical content, the title Barbara
Riley was chosen to honor his two muses rather than
reflect the desolation he witnessed, so Cracker and Osty. I
hope that clarifies that for you. Tom O'Brien, our next guest,
he'll be listening of interest in that song, Tommy, Good afternoon,
Barbara Ry. It's a hell of a tune, but awfully
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confusing if you don't know what it's about.
Speaker 5 (34:53):
Well, truth you told mate. I'm pretty confused by that intro.
It was pretty pretty fully loaded. But you know, what
do you expect from the Who and Pete towns here
fantastic artist, fantastic musician. God The songwriting and the Who's
pretty pretty amazing. Really, Yeah, great band. But yeah, I
don't know. I could see the Send years being a
bit of an influenced by a bit of you know,
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Indian philosophy and Numa Stay type styles. Andy.
Speaker 1 (35:18):
Yeah, you're based up in Garston. You're helping up the
Kings and Fly this afternoon the season not far away.
Sounds like you're stripping down a motor or some bearings
or something. What's to go?
Speaker 5 (35:27):
Oh, well, there's a bit going on. You know, pre
season always sort of ramps things up of it around
to tender, you know, second day of spring. So at
the moment, my mate Dave and I are just getting
ready to head up the track. We mark out old
rotten sleepers and then we take out the screws or
the dog spikes, and then we've got a whole lot
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of new sleepers that are going to be coming in
and we'll be replacing those sleepers. So there's that's going on.
Dave has also been working on a couple of the carriages,
so he's a join us and among other talents, and
he's been doing quite a lot of woodworking on the farriergers.
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And then we've got Neville who'll be coming up and
doing quite a bit of work on the engine. He'll
be concentrating on stripping off all the all of the
fittings off the boiler. Yeah, and just getting the fixing
on the boiler and bapical. We're just fixing any dips
and bobs that we need prefeason really.
Speaker 1 (36:29):
How long does the sleeper last on the Kingston rail line? Oh?
Speaker 5 (36:33):
Well, some of the sleepers will be taking out are
probably close to eighty odd years old, so you know
they originally would have been made of Jarrah hardwood, Australian
Jarrah hardwood. A lot of the speakers we use nowadays
the macrocarpa.
Speaker 1 (36:47):
As far as stripping down the Kingstom flow, how many
manails does it take to prepare it for the upcoming season?
Speaker 5 (36:54):
Oh it's a hard one, mate, because yet it's not
truly actually start taking all the settings off that you're
really sort of underst and what needs to happen. You know,
there's a lot of you know, because it's so old
school in every sense of the words. You know, getting
getting some of the getting some of the bits and
bobs that you needed can be quite difficult. It's just
very specialized, you know, engineering side of things. But there's
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a lot of sort of repacking, got what we call
repacking the glands and yeah, just a lot of cleaning
and a lot of stealing things up and you know,
replacing nuts and bolts and stuff. So I don't know,
it's it's not thousands of ours, but probably one hundred
of hours pre season, I would say, yeah, because.
Speaker 1 (37:35):
There's not like a flat pack when you're left of
a couple of screws at the end, you can go
through and recorrect it doing a big motorlight down on
a locomotive train for goodness sakes, and another kettle official together.
Speaker 5 (37:45):
Yeah, well, we don't have a big enough allen key
for you know, nuts and bolts on the old on
the old engine. Mate. But actually, actually another interesting is
that the Flyer has got an anniversary coming up. Yeah,
so seven we've got two engines seven ninety five and
seven seven eight. What a the day that one hundred
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one hundred years old. Really we're going to make a
bit of a celebration of that around Labor weekend. So yeah,
so yeah, an oldie, but a goodie in every sense
of the word. Right.
Speaker 1 (38:22):
I think everybody from my vintage anyway and northern South
and remembers going on the Kingsto and Flyer in the
early eighties, and the great Crunchy Train Robbery of course
firmed on it back in the day. That's iconic.
Speaker 3 (38:34):
I believe that.
Speaker 5 (38:35):
I think you're right. I think that was filmed in
nineteen seventy nine, and I remember that ad watching that
ad as a kid as well. And of course we
all you know, up until relatively recently, we also used
to have the greats hold up on the train. A
few of the local farmers would jump on the horses
and ride along the side of the track and would
slow the train down. And then they watched du barriages
(38:56):
and you know, they'd have their their faces covered up
with masks, and they'd every cowboy hats and and you know,
guns and all that sort of stuff with the bolts out,
and they'd come through and rob everyone on the train.
And then they would come through with a big, a
big sort of chip full of crunchy dars and in
the mouth, and it was great fun.
Speaker 1 (39:15):
I was just about to say, they need to hand
out crunchy bars. That is brilliant. I didn't realize the
locals were in on this. It's fantastic.
Speaker 5 (39:22):
Yeah, yeah, no, it was really really good. I think, yeah,
you wouldn't. You wouldn't be allowed to do it nowadays.
It's sort of the health and safety rules would pretty
much stop you from doing any of that sort of
stuff now. But but it was. It was really really
fun to be a part of. And highly skilled horseman
as well. So you know that the driver and the
fire and had to sort of slow the train right
down so enough so that they could actually from the
(39:45):
horse actually onto the carriage, which is pretty impressive to watch.
So absolutely, yeah, but yeah, it's you know, we're looking
forward to a really good season. We've got really good
forward bookings with you wholesalers and bound operators, you know,
bus to a company so so so the so the
Pubbers is looking to sort of extend its ability to
(40:08):
accommodate a lot of those people on buses, say in
clement weather, you know, we can put them out into
the into the carriage where the train with the where
the Pubbers and they can have their lunch and time
and so forth. So so yeah, here's still a good season.
Speaker 1 (40:23):
When does it start the season?
Speaker 3 (40:27):
October the first?
Speaker 5 (40:29):
We're not far away a month, We're just a month
some months out. Yeah, So that's kind of like, well, oll,
we better we better start building up to eat a
steam before the season kicks off.
Speaker 1 (40:39):
So great, punt Ah look out and that's brilliant, tom
Hey will leave it there, Mate, always fascinating to talk
and especially regarding the kings and flyer. Believe it there,
and I'll always appreciate your time on the muster. Mate.
Speaker 5 (40:56):
I appreciate as well.
Speaker 1 (40:57):
Mate.
Speaker 5 (40:57):
Capture later.
Speaker 1 (41:02):
Laugh out loud with ag proud because life on the
land can be a laughing matter. Brought to us by
sheer well data working to help the livestock farmer. At
the age of sixty five, my grandma started walking ten
kilometers a day. She's ninety two. Now we've got no
idea where she is. That's us for the afternoon. Dun
(41:24):
and dust it stay dry up there, I mean, miler.
This has been the muster on Hakanoy Mini cheers to
Peter's genetics, Morgan Mitchell and studio tomorrow talking Stags antlers
up hold the shield next Saturday, boys, see you tomorrow.
Stock selling action comes to us courtesy of PGG, writes
and Andrew Martin tells us all about the Laundville sale
(41:44):
that was held this morning, good afternoon. How was it?
Was it?
Speaker 3 (41:47):
Cool as cool and wet?
Speaker 7 (41:50):
First thing, We actually had a pretty rough night down
in this in this part of south to be fair,
but it's it seems to have blown through and hopefully
we're on the hopefully we're on the upside, but smaller shale.
But the prices just keep continuing to be strong, and
if anything, just probably getting stronger. And you say, if
(42:12):
we start with the lambs, for start, the best of
those two sixty through the three twenty second cup prime
lambs at two twenty to two fifty five, with the
bottom edge of the prime lambs at one seventy three
to two ten, best of the US at one forty
to one sixty, the seconds at one ten to one
two five thirds at ninety five to one oh five
were very light to condition us in the seventy to
(42:34):
eighty five dollars range, best of the rams seventy five
to eighty, the seconds at sixty and lighter rams, and
the forty to fifty dollars bracket, and to the stores
we go. Those good stores are still still being sought after.
There in the one fifty to one sixty dollars bracket,
the seconds at one thirty five to one forty with
the third cattle lambs, those smaller lambs just starting to
(42:58):
be not quite as sought after. At this time. He
are now in the ninety to one hundred and twenty
dollar bracket. We are getting the start of the using
lamb starting to trickle in and they range from one
hundred and twenty eight through the one hundred and thirty
four dollars for counted small yardings of sheep on offer.
But as as as said, the prices are very very good.
(43:21):
Into the kettle we go prime cattle the best of
the stairs five to fifty kilos are better four fifty
to four fifty five per kilo heffers at four forty
ks or better. They range from four dollars forty five
through the four to fifty per kilo cows.
Speaker 3 (43:35):
Medium cows in the.
Speaker 7 (43:36):
Four eighty to five hundred kilow breckt wor at two
seventy and caos four twenty three to four fifty kilos
also at two dollars seventy per kilo same as a sheep.
Smaller yarding and strong demand into the stores we go
medium sized yarding a store kettle two stairs at three
ninety six kilos made two thousand and thirty dollars. To
(43:59):
here for cross stairs at three hundred and forty kilows
made fifteen hundred and eighty dollars. Some R two here
for cross heafers three hundred and seventy three kgs made
eighteen hundred and twenty dollars. Into the yealing market we
go freezing stairs nice typee well breed freezing stairs ranging
from two ninety three to three hundred and ten k's.
(44:20):
They range from twelve to fifty through to three hundred
and ten. Some one year old straight beef South Devon
mix six yellings at two eighty seven k's made sixteen
hundred dollars, and some R one medium here for cross
heifers at one hundred and seventy kilows made eight hundred
and forty dollars. Medium sized ydding is suggested a strong market,
(44:44):
especially four those older are to cattle and into the
body calves at this time of the year. Best of
the here for cross balls up to two hundred and
forty dollars, the second cut of those and one to
eighty through two hundred. The here Ford cross heifers topped
out at one hundred and forty dollars, with the second
cups at ninety to one hundred dollars and freezing balls.
(45:07):
They were in the freezing ball carves eighty to ninety
dollar bracket. Quality beef cross carves still very much in
demand and selling well. And what's the freezing ball carves?
Just a limited limited buying support there. Just to shout
out to any of your farmers close to or around
(45:28):
the in Votago store. We're in the new premises now
just on the south end of the wall store on
Fox Street, and I'd encourage all farmers if they get
a chance to have a look at the new drive
through facility. There's lots in store there, and Andrew and
the team are there and welcoming all existing and new suppliers.
And then Abit wraps us up from Lorbal Salio
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