The Muster Full Show: 29/09/25

Andy Muir talks to Jon Pemberton, Eric Roy, Bryce McKenzie, Andrea Dixon and Paul Allison.

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Speaker 1 (00:05):
Good afternoon and welcome to the muster on Hakanui.

Speaker 2 (00:08):
I'm Andy Muoy here until two o'clock thanks to Peter Geneix.
Thanks for your company on an overcast afternoon.

Speaker 1 (00:14):
We'll talk with a very shortly.

Speaker 2 (00:16):
Firstly, thanks to Chuckle Wilson for filling in on Friday
show and happy birthday for today as well, young man.

Speaker 1 (00:22):
A big weekend in Sport the Stags.

Speaker 2 (00:25):
They conceded a lot in the first half and scored
a lot in the second half, but it wasn't enough.
Otago continues on with their renfre his Shield Rain and
wards a two what is it one challenge now and
the All Blacks did the business over Australia at the
Fortress Eden Park nonetheless, so a bigger job coming up
this weekend over in peraf that's for sure.

Speaker 1 (00:46):
But Donna for the Jones five day forecasts brought to
you by twin Farm, teff Rom and subtext.

Speaker 2 (00:55):
The proof is in the progeny Teffron dot co dot
Nzif the noon seas b browers showers with the breezy
westerlyes in a high of eight, Tuesday light raign in
the afternoon with bristol or Westerly's one and eleven. Wednesday
light rain again with breezy westerlies minus three and seven,
so I don't know what's going on there. Thursday partly
cloudy were like easterly zero and tiar eleven and Friday

(01:18):
partly cloudy were breezing or Eastly is five and sixteen.
So temperatures to had Northern south and eight point one,
Riverton ten t eight point six, Tataroa nine went and
eight point three and Woodland's eight point six. As we
start the show with John Pemmelton Farming, it means his
ferry also a Nefield scholar for this year, about to
go away into a heap of traveling in the next
couple of weeks by the sound of it. Eric Roy

(01:40):
and their political roundup talking the Reserve Bank, Bryce Mackenzie
Crowndsure New Zealand.

Speaker 1 (01:46):
There was a survey recently that came.

Speaker 2 (01:48):
Out to fart to the farming Fraternity courtesy of Groundswell,
amongst a few other groups as well, and Bryce tells
us what those findings been regarding the Paris Accord. Andrew
Dixon of the Southern Dairy harm has a chat and
Paul Ellison, the Voice of a tago Holland is drag
but you can hear us commentaries and Godsport talking about
the MPC all that action from over the weekend. We'll

(02:08):
start the hour and next with John Pembleton. This is
the muster until two o'clock thanks to Peter's genetics. John
Pemberton farms down at Mensi's Fairy and joins us in
the Sergeant Dan Farming roundup. Thanks to Sergeant Dan Stock
foods here and good John O, Good afternoon.

Speaker 1 (02:30):
The situation down at Mensi's Fairy. How are you faring?

Speaker 3 (02:34):
Yeah, go mate. Look we've got more more grass and
we had a week ago, a bit of a cold
day today, but in general I think we've got off lightly.
Looking at the forecast, sounds like the rightdown against the
coast has taken a bit of a hammer in the
last few days so well. And the previous weekend was
supposed to be horrendous weather and all the weather watchers
were out and we got a bit of wind but
it wasn't. Yeah, there're certainly a couple of weekends prior

(02:57):
to that. We're more ugly to be here, so we'll
take it.

Speaker 2 (03:00):
What's it like compared to say twelve months ago. Then
there's the ultimate comparison.

Speaker 3 (03:06):
Yeah, ten days ago I would have said, you know,
someone tells us and I was bad as last year.
I might say head words with it, but no, it's
like I say, the last week's been a reprieve and
you dig a hole in the ground. At the moment
and below the root zone is still reasonably dry. So
it was last year the water table was up and

(03:27):
everything was floating, So still better than last year. But
I think there's been more storms this year. It certainly
feels like there's been some more horrible cold fronts. Was
last year was just more consistent rain. And of course
by this time last year, I think we'd had two
floods across the property. So any season winn a month
with the out of floods of bit the bonus down

(03:47):
our way. So now it isn't milking well. I just
had a look at the older girls of Brighton a
little bit lighter than I'd like to be seeing them.
So they're cranking pretty hard on production. So you just
have to probably sneak a bit of palm kernel into
them a couple of kilos now leading up to mating.
But there's reason while we out of grass around, so

(04:08):
just trying them to and can be a bit of
a challenge where you got a bit of grass. But
all in all going pretty good and there looks like
we've seen some reasonable numbers cycling on the collars on
the computer at the moment, so yeah, all in all,
not not too much to grizzle that.

Speaker 1 (04:24):
Really, how far through carving would you be?

Speaker 3 (04:27):
I think we have around fifty they're eleven fifty to go.
So we went through and put magnes in boluses and
anything that's five and older that's to carve in October.
So we put did that last week, so by the
time we had October that should be they should be effective,
because we all know those last thirties cause a bit
of grief. And I'll be honest, we have had a

(04:48):
few more down kios this year. I'm not too sure
why we haven't changed anything in what we do, but yeah,
it's it's it's when you get down to that last handfuls,
when you tend to have all your problems because you
only want to to carve a day, they're not getting
checked on as regularly and it's just human nature just
to chuck him down the back of the farm and
go we'll look at them tomorrow. So now it's about

(05:10):
when I sort of make sure we keep her real
good on them, because the old fatties go down hill
pretty quick if they do go down, and they can
be a bit of a bettle get up. So yeah,
and obviously cares are worth a bit this season. Regardless.
We killed some cares, some empties last week and they
range from fifteen hundred to two and a half grand.
So the works price is just phenomenal at the moment.

(05:32):
So I think she one of them was a here
for so you know, I think she was like nine dollars.
I think, what's what I saw on the kilo? So no,
it's it's it's all pretty exciting at the moment in
the dairy sector. And you know there's more and more
hope coming out of Cannabrouy and that's just going to
flow through the South and you know we'll see that
Hepe down here in Christmas. And you know, I think

(05:55):
pretty exciting space to be in for the EE farming
at the moment, that's for sure.

Speaker 1 (05:59):
When you say hype elaborate on that.

Speaker 3 (06:02):
Oh, just the numbers that have come out around a
face up there I'm hearing. You know, at the back
of last year they had a really good they were
dryly on then they got rain and they probably have
more efficient seasons as far as irrigation or feed inputs,
is my understanding. And so depending obviously where you were
in Canterby, you know, probably the cheapest milk they made,

(06:23):
and then the rec will payout and then you're throwing this
if it goes through the two dollars capital return, you know,
it's it's the returns, you know, what else is returning
like agriculture and with an agriculture dairy. So I just
think there's going to be a bit of a shift
that we saw back in seven early two thousands of

(06:44):
external money coming into agriculture because the investments around New
Zealand aren't rewarding quite the same. So yeah, it does
feel like we're going back to what it might have
you know, sort of some of the behavior we saw
back in the twenty two o seven and such like
where cash heads an investment and all that. But we're

(07:07):
cranking along and we probably are getting to the age
of stage. A lot of farms and a lot of
that needs replacing as well. So timing wise, I think
is probably perfect for the dairy sector to reinvest.

Speaker 1 (07:18):
Now enough for your scholarship.

Speaker 2 (07:20):
You were telling me just before we came to air
that you've got a ridiculous amount of time at the
airports over the next three weeks.

Speaker 1 (07:26):
Tell us in a bit more.

Speaker 2 (07:27):
It sounds pretty pretty adduous almost what you've got to
do to be fair.

Speaker 3 (07:32):
Yeah, I've got a couple of weeks so I head off,
so just trying to check those final jobs done and
systems in place in the later five weeks. What's different
about this trip is a previous two since away have
been I've organized and I've chosen where I've traveled, have
traveled with how it's all played out. This trip is

(07:52):
what they call the Global Focus Program. There's six of
these options for all the global scholars. Most can't who's
doing in the UK doesn't, which is interestant because they
make up about a third of the scholars globally, but
they don't do the GFP. And so the GFP is
organized by Australia Nuffield and it's not particularly you don't

(08:15):
go into thinking all my topics on this. So this
is what I want to get out out of it.
It's more around performing upid pressure and working with Greeks.
I'm traveling with about eleven other international scholars. We have Japanese, German, Chilean, Brazilian, American, Australian,

(08:35):
and you're with those people twenty four to seven. It's
a five week trip. In that time, we start in Canada,
we do Scotland, Italy, Spain, in the Australia fifteen flights.
I think what I'm looking at for the whole journey
of five weeks, So yeah, it's going to be pretty

(08:55):
full on and there might be one or two days
off in there, but there's not a heap of a
heap of time off. So obviously with the amount of flights,
it's going to be pretty communicating with home. So I
just need to make sure I've got things pretty well
nailed down with systems and stuff. Thing it. We're starting mating,
so yeah, I'll be lying for severe. Wasn't nervous, but

(09:15):
the previous two times things have gone recently smoothly, So
you just got a bit of faith that people step
up and get on with it.

Speaker 1 (09:21):
I just hope for your sat you get on with
all these other individuals.

Speaker 3 (09:25):
Look at you, it'll be fascinating.

Speaker 1 (09:27):
Yes it will, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 (09:29):
I've certainly taken a bag of popcorn at some point
something to go pear shape. But yeah, yeah, I think
fundamentally it'll help you. I've been quite a bit of
travel already, so that does help. But the understanding cultures
is ninety percent of how situations working out right, So

(09:49):
they do actually spend a bit of time in their
conference in Auckland, the international conference which is having to
been Auckland this year of all the new scholars coming
to you actually ran a day of working through how
different cultures make decisions and it was fascinating, Like the
Keys very much down the middle of stuff. So they
end up being the sort of the mediators and a

(10:11):
lot of stuff as they sort of had a graph
on where people's positions within their culture and the French
look to be all over the show and save the
Japanese and the Germans are to one side and the
Dutch or to the other, and the Key was on
little side. Yeah, really fascinating and at the time I
think it can be pretty graweling, but every enoughield I

(10:32):
was spoken to ha done the GP program said it
was the highlight of their trip. So yep. I'm just
going into it with that with that attitude.

Speaker 1 (10:39):
Good on you, John, Happy travels which had again cheers Andy.

Speaker 3 (10:43):
Thanks mate, John O.

Speaker 2 (10:45):
Pemberton, a Landa's noth Field travels yet again as part
of the global focused.

Speaker 1 (10:49):
Program that is involved with nothing Old scholarship. Well over
the show. Good luck at those airports. Mate. Up next
to MP Eric, former MP, that is Eric Croix. This
is the Muster. Welcome back to the Muster.

Speaker 2 (11:12):
Former MP Eric Roid joins us in our political roundup
this afternoon.

Speaker 1 (11:17):
Eric, Good afternoon.

Speaker 4 (11:17):
How are you ohm? Very good?

Speaker 5 (11:19):
I'm up at Tiana and she's pretty jolly wet up here.

Speaker 2 (11:23):
It's if nothing else, at least the lake the is
filled up to what it was.

Speaker 4 (11:28):
Well it was.

Speaker 5 (11:29):
I've never seen it so low at you know, at
the end of August that in August. I've never seen
it as low as it was. So Hopefully we won't
have to import too much more coal from Indonesia to
keep things going.

Speaker 2 (11:43):
That is a whole new, totally different subject to have
to decipher, isn't it.

Speaker 1 (11:47):
Why do we why do we get coal from Indonesia, Well.

Speaker 5 (11:51):
Because it's cheaper than our own coal when we don't
mind children mining it. I don't know, non sensical nonsense.

Speaker 1 (12:00):
Oh.

Speaker 2 (12:00):
Absolutely, Look, there's quite a bit going on in the
political landscape at the moment. Talking about the polls, it's
got everything neck and neck. But is this a true
reflection of what we're seeing?

Speaker 1 (12:09):
Would you say?

Speaker 4 (12:10):
Oh?

Speaker 5 (12:11):
No, Look, I don't think so. I think what we've
got at the moment is a bit of a process vote.
To me, there seems to be just an absolute disconnect
as to why things are so slow economically and then
recovery wise, and it doesn't seem to be any connection
back to the last administration and what they did, and

(12:34):
you know, the need for the Reserve being to clamp
down on inflation and the impact that that said, and
how long it takes to turn the ship around. It's
not going right, And I think, yeah, officially, I don't
really understand what the importance for poles are so far
out from an election, other than to give the media

(12:56):
something to talk about. But it's interesting that each of
the political parties do their own polling, not so much
on where they sit in relation to popularity, but what
are the issues that actually concern you? And cost of
living has been right up there and That's why I

(13:17):
don't watch it every day, but occasionally if I'm in
and Question Time is on, I'll turn it on. And
the opposition is question to question on what are you
doing about the cost of living?

Speaker 4 (13:29):
What are you doing about this?

Speaker 5 (13:30):
What are you doing about that? Which is why Nikola
Willis is talking about butter and various other things. Because
it's a national's polling will be telling them that is
also an issue.

Speaker 4 (13:41):
And when the.

Speaker 5 (13:43):
Thing that will happen as we near the elections, people
will start to look at policy rather than have just
a boat in the polls, which is representing their discord
at the situation, and well hopefully they'll look at well
they're other coalition will include to Patty Maury and the Greens,

(14:04):
and what portfolios will to Patty Maury have to be
in the coalition, What will the Greens have, how will
the wealth tax works? And all of those questions which
at the moment are being totally ignored because we're completely
absorbed by the cost of living.

Speaker 2 (14:22):
And this is where a tech politics comes into play, unfortunately.
But the fact is the coalition option on the left
is certainly not that palatable.

Speaker 5 (14:31):
Well not to me anyway.

Speaker 1 (14:33):
For a lot of people. To be fair, Yes, you.

Speaker 5 (14:35):
Know when you just think about you know, where where
the jolly well, who's going to have what? And what
are they going to do and what.

Speaker 4 (14:44):
Will would Labor have to give.

Speaker 5 (14:46):
Away to form a coalition.

Speaker 4 (14:49):
And it's pretty skewed.

Speaker 5 (14:50):
I think we're in an interesting phase in politics like that.
There's probably at least thirty percent end of the vote
now committed to New Zealand First Act, to Paddy Murray
and the Greens, So that means that Labor and National,
the two main center parties, will be fighting over seventy

(15:13):
percent of the vote, so they're never going to get
much over the mid thirties and the rest will be
made up from the other side. And you know there
has to be a bit of horse training to form
a coalition and who knows what that will bring.

Speaker 2 (15:29):
Well, Chloe small brick flying business class you got part
of out on social media last week. Is this a
case of hypocrisy or is it just a necessary evil
for MPs to go do their jobs.

Speaker 5 (15:39):
There used to be a termy called chardon a socialists
or spa bath socialists, and I think you can work
out that might be exactly what happens so yeah, it's interesting,
really really interesting that the way in which people conduct
themselves and think that it's to dissociated from the policies

(16:02):
that they're espousing when they get on a podium in
a hall somewhere.

Speaker 2 (16:07):
When Peters say, in New Zealand won't recognize a Palestinian state,
do you agree?

Speaker 5 (16:13):
Well, I can understand why he said it. You know,
I've always been of the new that the only solution
is to have two states and to give Palestine some recognition.
And I can understand why he's saying, well, we're not
ready at the moment to do that. We don't want
to glorify a mass We need to know exactly where

(16:35):
the boundaries of this new state might be and what
that might mean. And we're recognizing them now facilitate a
peace deal?

Speaker 4 (16:45):
Will it get.

Speaker 5 (16:46):
The rest of the hostages back? What's actually going on?
I can understand all of the conundrums that are around
doing that, So I can understand why he did that.
But you know, long term, I think there has to
be two states Pilstine needs to have their own spot
and have some charity out there. There's currently twenty three

(17:08):
wars going on around the world. I don't know, Burmer
and Tyler Me and Mark Thailand might have settled down
at the moment, might bring us back to twenty two.
And some of them are horrendous losses, probably the greatest
of which would be what's happening in the Sudan at
the moment. So there's you know, there's a lot of
discontent which is hppening with quite dramatic impacts in a

(17:33):
lot of countries right now. And well we know about
the Ukraine as well, but the Gaza one is only
a streams with great regularity. In the overreaction, I think
we would call it at Israel to a war that
was started by Hamas is of great concern.

Speaker 2 (17:54):
Doctor Anna Breeman has been appointed as Governor of the
Reserve Bank.

Speaker 5 (17:58):
Yes, well yeah, it's kind of fascinating really their role
as an independent and their task with controlling inflation. And
you know, I think if you wind the clock back,
why was Avian Awe reappointed shortly before the election, you
think they would have delayed that a weep it in

(18:20):
the way that the government has delayed the new governor
general thing to beyond the next election. And obviously he
was a friend of the policy, well not obviously my view,
he was a friend of the policies of the Labor
government and the money that they were dishing out, and
he had some pretty extraordinary views about how important he

(18:42):
was and how much more money he needed to run
the show, and a whole lot of things. And so
they do have an independent role, but they also need
to be a friend of the government to understand what's
going to happen in terms of getting some growth into
the whole where they are, or the equation of controlling inflation.

(19:05):
So it's been an interesting bit and I understand there
were sixteen applicants for the job, which shows that in
sort of what we think, some people with a lot
of very good qualifications put their hand up.

Speaker 2 (19:18):
Now, doctor Breman's come from Sweden, where she's been Deputy
governor of Sweden's Central Bank. Do you think perhaps she's
bringing a bit more of a neutral perspective to the role.

Speaker 5 (19:27):
Well, we'll have to wait and see.

Speaker 4 (19:30):
I don't know.

Speaker 5 (19:31):
Just see, the Reserve Bank is independent. They're quite separate
from Treasury, which gives advice to the government, and the
government relies on Trury's advice when they're sorting out what
policies will be and what the impact will be. But
every quarter we get something of a state of the
Nation's speech from the Governor of the Reserve Bank when

(19:52):
they talk about whether they're going to put the official
cash rate up or down or hold it. Whether they
have any more formal talks of the government, I simply
don't know. But they need to actually be thinking a
little bit wider than just the official cash rate and
what that might mean. And inflation, yes to their role

(20:12):
is to keep inflation under three percent between one and
three and we can't understate how important that is. Like
I can remember on one occasion in the Muldoon years
where inflation had eighteen percent and then we had to
get smps and a whole lot of things and just
to keep people viable. We don't ever want to go
anywhere near that again.

Speaker 2 (20:34):
Peggy Muldoon. There's a blast from the blast from the past.
Derek Roy always good to catch up, right O.

Speaker 4 (20:40):
Good one.

Speaker 2 (20:44):
Eric Roy, former MP and their political round up up next.
Bryce McKenzie had a groundswhere in New Zealand. There was
a what was it? There was a survey come out
over the weekend featuring Groundswoure New Zealand Brice is going
to liberate a little bit more.

Speaker 1 (21:11):
Welcome back to the muster.

Speaker 2 (21:12):
Bryce McKenzie is co founder of Groundswew New Zealand, and
joins us this afternoon.

Speaker 1 (21:18):
Good afternoon, Bryce, afternoon, Andy and listeners. How's everything out
there in west of Targo today? You're coping? All right?

Speaker 4 (21:26):
Yeah we are, but it's a little bit cool, Andy.
I mean, last year might have been wet, but this
year certainly a cold spring. It was after yesterday's about
twenty one degrees. It was one out of the box
and now we're back to bloom single figgers again.

Speaker 1 (21:40):
Yesterday was bonkers.

Speaker 2 (21:41):
It was like eighteen degrees or something about three or
four o'clock and then it just cooled downside of rainy
and gore.

Speaker 1 (21:46):
I don't know about six thirty I suppose, Yeah, no, it.

Speaker 4 (21:50):
Was quite strange, really, but man, it was good to
have that heat through the day. You can just out
see the grass leaping out on the ground.

Speaker 1 (21:56):
Man.

Speaker 2 (21:56):
Now you talk about strange, it's this whole pair of
situation which a groundswel perspective. I suppose you're finding strange.

Speaker 1 (22:02):
Bryce.

Speaker 2 (22:03):
There was a survey go out to farmers recently. Ninety
four percent of them saying remaining in the Paris Accord
isn't in the country's best interest. Now, over two thousand
farmers responded to this joint survey you promoted with ENSIP
Farming and the Methane Science Accord. But how many farmers
would have received the survey.

Speaker 4 (22:23):
Ah, that's very difficult to know, Andy. I think we
put links to it on social media so that there
would have been a lot of farmers have access to it.
But yeah, really difficult to say.

Speaker 2 (22:36):
Just how many are we just going over old retrich though, Bryce,
We seem to have been talking about this for the
last twelve to eighteen months with no real gains either way.

Speaker 5 (22:46):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (22:47):
Oh well, no, there are some gains, Andy. I mean,
we've got two political parties now that are are really
keen on doing something about it. So I guess that's
got to be a gain. Because we talked to that
back about February this year, and at that stage they
said it wasn't on their horizon. So that was interesting

(23:08):
that they said that and then what they come out with.
I mean, they've been quite firm on their thinking on
the Paris Accords. So no, there's been some great gains
and you know, time will tell what really happens, and
it's quite in the mode of subject. I mean, we
get one or two emails from people that just think
they were destroying New Zealand if we pulled out, and

(23:30):
we're not saying that there's going to be no repercussions.
I mean, when you do something politically, there's always a
repercussioner too. But if they push what is in the
agreement and might have been decided, if you don't need
targets what it could cost you, then goodness great as me.

(23:52):
You know, it could cost the country billions in the futures,
and it's costing us money already. I mean there's lots
of places you can see that the Paris Accord is
costing us money. All our trees and everything is the
result of trying to cut omissions in mine with the
Paris Agreement.

Speaker 2 (24:10):
Like Meetla's said, two out of three eight bad bryce
But it's not three out of three, and unfortunately the
big one is the National Party.

Speaker 4 (24:17):
Yeah, quite right, Andy, But you know, if you're forming
a coalition then you normally have to have some trade offs.
Having two out of three could mean that there would
be some quite good trade offs going on, So let's
just see what happens. Mind you, you've got to get
those three parties as part of the next government, and
you know, other things aren't just that sweet in some

(24:39):
areas already. So who would know.

Speaker 2 (24:41):
Have you been in comms at all with labor, like
said Joe Luxton or the likes regarding the Paris accord, Ah.

Speaker 4 (24:48):
Look, just nothing serious, no serious talks about it, but
we have. I have mentioned it to Joe in one
of our conversations. But yeah, nothing too serious. I don't
I think labor's interested at the stage and doing anything
about it. But however, who knows, to.

Speaker 2 (25:05):
Be fair, they were still waiting for labor to come
out with some policy regarding agriculture.

Speaker 4 (25:12):
That's what I was blind, And I said, who knows,
Time will.

Speaker 1 (25:16):
Tell them that one.

Speaker 2 (25:16):
Now trade negotiations they're running to pay around. This is
where Todd McLay Trade Minister overseas, Winston Peters as well.
So the arguments there. You guys are on the ground
trying to do what they can.

Speaker 4 (25:28):
Yeah, that's right, and I'm sure they are. You know,
I think Todd McClay is actually doing a pretty good
job and doing for agriculture. So I haven't really got
any bones to pack with Todd. But you know, some
of those agreements are not being held up already. The

(25:50):
one with I think it's European Union. They were cut
the subsidies on fuel as part of agreement with them,
and they've actually put them up, so they're subsidies up,
so you know they're not they're not fulfilling the agreement anyway,
and that doesn't appear to be any penalties for not

(26:13):
doing it, So what's the point in having it?

Speaker 2 (26:15):
So Okay, flip the coin around. How many farmers have
been in touch saying that your narrative is wrong and
you're supporting what's going on with Paris?

Speaker 4 (26:24):
A lot, very few they are.

Speaker 1 (26:27):
Out there though. People are out there in agreements with.

Speaker 4 (26:30):
It, though yes, yes they definitely are, but not, you know,
very very small percentage. But well that we get feedback from.
Put it that way, most of our feedback is from
people that are in favor of it. Probably they could
even be as high as thirty to one, and it's
probably even higher that are in favor of it. But

(26:52):
then you only get those people that are actively interested
that give you feedback. Most people don't bother it's a
bit like doing the that for every question you put
on it, you get a massive drop off. I think
it's something like if you put it in an email,
about fifty percent of people open it. If you put

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one question and those fifty percent are likely to answer it.
If you put two questions and fifty percent of them
won't bother going on, and so it goes. The more
questions you put in, that just keeps dropping off for
quite a high percentage. So yeah, it's hard to get
people to buy.

Speaker 2 (27:29):
And so in the scheme of things, two salesand farmers
are applying was a win.

Speaker 4 (27:34):
Oh yeah, Yeah, we were pleased with that. We really were,
and you know, we had really pitched it so that
we only wanted farmers to answer it. Of course, there's
no way you can really check up on that for
the ones for all the ones against. I mean, I know,
if you're against that, you could quite likely fill it
in and say you're a farmer, and there's no way

(27:55):
for us really to check. Yeah, there's always been as.

Speaker 2 (28:00):
And now also in this release, it came out that
you stipulated the National Party policy about a farming tax
being implemented by twenty thirty for the possibility of another
Labor Green government being just an election away.

Speaker 1 (28:14):
Heaven help us a year out. So what are we actually.

Speaker 2 (28:18):
Hearing now as far as the farming tax by the
National Party.

Speaker 4 (28:21):
Oh look, I think there's announcement jur either this week
or next week. And what we're hearing andy is somewhere
between fourteen and twenty four percent charge on methane. So
who would know.

Speaker 2 (28:38):
So we're just tasting our tails on this whole subject
more or less.

Speaker 4 (28:41):
Still, yeah, yeah, yeah, we definitely are.

Speaker 5 (28:44):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (28:45):
Well, I mean the government has committed to putting a
charge on a missions for farmers and they're basically committed
to that, and so they're going about it in the
way that they do politicians. So yeah, that will come
out anytime soon and then you'll hear everybody so well,

(29:06):
you know, we're we've only got to drop another twenty
thirty and we should do that easily. We'll get the
same old wherever it come out. Well, if that's the case,
why are we even bothering And you wait, that's exactly
the line they're going to take. There's not going to
be a problem to do it.

Speaker 1 (29:23):
In the recent times.

Speaker 2 (29:24):
Bryce mckinsie and by the way, every time I get
an email from ground Swell, I read it in a
voice like you have at the moment.

Speaker 1 (29:30):
Don't ask me whyever, it comes out that way. Always
appreciate your time, cheers.

Speaker 4 (29:35):
Andy, I'm sorry I've got in your here that much.

Speaker 2 (29:40):
Bryce McKenzie, a ground Sweary Zealand, always appreciated his time.

Speaker 1 (29:45):
This is the Master. We're going to.

Speaker 2 (29:47):
Catch up with Andrew and Dixon next out of the
Southern Dary Hub. Andrea Dixon from the Southern Dairy Have
joins us next on the muster.

Speaker 1 (30:08):
Andrea, good afternoon. How September been for good.

Speaker 6 (30:11):
Afternoon, Andy, September, Yes, she's been a little bit weirt,
hasn't it?

Speaker 1 (30:15):
Has it been challenging over there? You've coped pretty well?

Speaker 6 (30:19):
Oh well, I guess we went into September with pretty
good grass covers. It gave us a little bit of
ability to use I guess bigger areas. We're all quite
memorable of this time last year. So it's nothing like that.

Speaker 2 (30:31):
Oh would say notorious. But anyway, lok, there's been plenty
happening at the Dairy Hub over the last couple of months.
I suppose, negating winter and looking forward to spring.

Speaker 6 (30:41):
Yes, yeah, we've had a pretty good spring. Actually, I'm
not that many weeks away till mating, so we're preparing
for that. We've only got about thuty odd cows to carves. Yeah,
so thanks a Losten. Pretty good, really good grass covers.
We're just sitting just under twenty three hundred, just finishing
the end of our first round, which is probably a
little bit later then, as would many farmers themselfs at

(31:02):
the funds.

Speaker 1 (31:03):
You saw terriages over there have seemed pretty good as well.

Speaker 6 (31:06):
Yes, yes, they have been pretty good. Although it looks
like it's going to be a bit cooler and wet murrow.
But one day.

Speaker 2 (31:13):
Now, this dairy Hub, Southern Dairy Hub walk through farm
walk through, what can people expect.

Speaker 6 (31:20):
Yeah, we got a really good feedback with our winter
farm walk through back in June, and so we thought
we had to run a similar format for our springfield days.
Mindful that it's a really busy time of the year
and yeah, and it's a good opportunity for people to
have a look around the farm. It's quite a low,
low key event, really relaxed, engaging with some fantastic egg

(31:41):
re sector experts as well.

Speaker 2 (31:44):
What's some of the most commonly asked questions you get
from people when they come to the dairy Dairy Hub Inrea.

Speaker 6 (31:51):
I have its a good, good question. Often they are
asking questions around what front of mine for them on
their farm at that time, they you know a lot
of people were engaging in our hub, watched newsletters and
weekly notes as well. So it is a really good
opportunity just to talk through, you know, how it's working
for us. And yeah, there's a few take home notes
that they can take back to their own time as well.

Speaker 2 (32:13):
So it's happening Thursday, the second of October from eleven o'clock.
What's an insight for people to expect.

Speaker 6 (32:20):
Oh yeah, eighth October eleven am. Meet at the cow sheds.
We've got two fantastic guest speakers. We've got doctor Charlotte
Westwood from PGGC. She will talk us through, you know,
how to maximize that second round quality grass as we
head into mating. What's fantastic about what she will present
us that where we've got some really good data of

(32:40):
our own. We've done pasture quality samples last week we
took samples off the top of the wedge peddics as
we head to the end of the first round. So
it'll just be quite interesting to see the variability of
quality and those peddicks, given that they know that they
haven't been great since the autumn. She'll also have a
look at milkuria because you know, milk curia is fluctuating
in quite a bit at this point of time, and

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so you know, what does that tell us? What does
that mean is there or do we need to do
anything about that. We've got also Leo Pepper from farm Wise.
He'll come along and he you know, he's really talking
about that juggling acts, you know, juggling pasture quality, maximizing
cow and take and also trying to grow great grass
and so his discussion, you know, will very much be

(33:23):
around food, leaf stage efficiency and the trigger points or
the decisions that you need to make just to maximize
that grass growth and cow and take. So too fantastic
engaging a guest speakers on the day.

Speaker 1 (33:34):
So who's the event for Andrea.

Speaker 6 (33:37):
Farmers for farmers to shore and farm team Like, it's
a really low key event. Bring along your farm team.
It's will we will run it no matter what, So
bring your gum boots, and jacket. If it's raining that day,
we'll be out in the paddocks so can be quite
cold out here. Free lunch and yeah, like I said,
it's quite a short session eleven to one. Recognizing that
it's a busy time of the year.

Speaker 2 (33:57):
That's part of the attraction that I'm doing a farm
or what Elizabeth Napier, it's you know, it's keeping things real.

Speaker 6 (34:03):
It does take things really Yeah, and it's a really
good opportunity. Isn't just to have a lock around what
it actually looks like rather than you know what it
looks like on a presentation. So you're really looking forward
to having farmers and farm team on farm that day.

Speaker 2 (34:15):
So as far as other happenings that the dairy have,
your website, your social media and likes is pretty active.

Speaker 6 (34:21):
Yes, yes, we keep those up to date. So if
you're not sign up, sign up to the hub watch
or the and On newsletter through dub dot Southerndary, hub
dot co dot mzz and if you can't make it
on the day, we will have a handout and we
will be loading it onto the website as well. So
if you've got any questions, feel free to pick up
the phone and give myself a call or or our
farm manager Michael. Our contact details you'll find on the

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Southern Ary Hub website as well.

Speaker 2 (34:45):
So those details once again Thursday the second of October
from eleven am Andrea. Do people need to register for
this or just turn up?

Speaker 6 (34:52):
No, just turn up. We look forward to seeing you
all on the day.

Speaker 1 (34:55):
Good on you, Andrew, You always appreciate your time.

Speaker 6 (34:57):
Thank you, Andy, you have a good afternoon.

Speaker 2 (35:02):
Andrew Dixon of the Southern Dairy Harp. This is the
muster before we wrap up Paul Allison out of gold
Sport Rugby. Over the weekend Rugby was the winner arguably,
but the NPC just delivers once again, continues to deliver,
especially if you're an Otago fan. Before we catch up

(35:29):
with Paul Allison, a notice through here from PGG Rights
and the Taffy Limited Annual Yealing Recorded Jersey Bull Auction
is now starting on Thursday, the second of October at
eleven am. So just once again the Taffy Limited Annual
Yealing Recorded Jersey Bull Oction starting on Thursday and not
the Wednesday. Get in touch of your PGG rights an

(35:50):
agent to get a few more details around that. Paul Allison.
Good afternoon and welcome to the muster once again. You're
based in Dunedin. A targo, geez. You're doing pretty good
in the NPC.

Speaker 7 (36:00):
Year four in a row for Otago, which is almost
unheard of. In fact, they've only lost one in the
last seven, which is and that was the last minute
try that they conceded against Tasman. So Otago year flying
high at the moment. Things can change pretty quickly as
we know, but at least us secure it a home
quarter final, likely to get a home semi final if
they win the quarter and probably their best year in decades.

(36:24):
I mean they last won the Rod, they last won
the Ranfordy Shield five years ago, and then they or
six years ago, and then they last won the MPC
way back in nineteen ninety eight, so a long time
between drinks and let's not get ahead of ourselves. But
the fact is that they are going well this year.
They've got some momentum and they haven't sort of lost
their way and got away with the giddy heights of

(36:46):
beating Canterbury in the Shield game last week. They're able
to hang on to it for more than a week
and lock it away for the summer, which they don't
do very often. In fact, when they normally win the shield,
they don't have it over.

Speaker 3 (36:55):
The summer months.

Speaker 7 (36:56):
They did back in nine but it's been a long
time since then, and so yeah, it's good news for Otago,
not so good news for South. And when I look
at the results I've had in the last four weeks,
convening fifty four points against Cannery and sixty four against
County's mannecow on seventy five against Wellington, I mind you,
they cut it back of it. It was only fifty five

(37:17):
against Tasman and most of those were in the first half.
So I'm not quite sure what's going on in the
Deep South, but they certainly are not the same thing
that won the shield just five weeks ago.

Speaker 2 (37:28):
Yeah, we're talking about that in a minute for the MTC.
Look Canterbury and Northland. Yesterday it was a draw ninety
minutes of rugby the MTC this year. We talked about
it before, but there seems to be a lot more
by and because the results are changing, the shields changed
hand as often as it has, it's just got people's
interests back in the into the occasion. Again, I suppose
it has.

Speaker 7 (37:47):
In Auckland, I'm not going to make the top eight
as well. So that's not too bad for some of
us in the Deep South, is it? Yeah? Look at
it is very interesting. It's a topsy turvy competition where
you really don't know who's going to win each week,
which I think is part of the excitement, part of
the local parochial pride that you get from hometown rugby

(38:08):
fans and the fact that you still don't really know
who's going to make the top eight. And as you
say in Lathland, who were battling on the cusp of
the top eight, they're just sitting in eighth place at
the moment, a couple of points ahead his county's Monaca.

Speaker 3 (38:19):
But that draw a hard bought one.

Speaker 7 (38:21):
Against Canterbury yesterday and going into extra time had looked
for all the world like Canterbury, we're going to score
in that extra time, but great defense from both teams
and so yes, pretty much sums up the competition. We
don't know what's going to happen. But like Forrest Gump
of the Box of Chocolate Stuff.

Speaker 2 (38:37):
Mark Kelly the Country Sport Breakfast called me out this
morning and they had chat before I had a yunder
BK saying that I was just a grumpy bugger and
if he had the option for buy a plant in
heaven every year, but to hold the shield for a week,
he'd take it. I don't know just the bigger ramifications
what's going on with the Stag though. Do we just
need to accept that we've won three games, possibly going
to win a fourth, and we've had the shield. Do

(38:58):
you still call it a success amongst everything else going on?

Speaker 7 (39:02):
Well, I guess you're in a better position to answer
that sort of being in the middle in the heart
of Southland. What I would say is that if you
go back last year to the MPC, that's a very
similar record to what Southland had. They won three lost seven,
finished twelfth. This year they are won three lost six

(39:22):
sitting thirteenth. So there's not a lot of difference from
where they were from one year to another in terms
of the table. But they got away to such a
promising start this year and it's been the collapse in
the last four weeks which I think will be raising
eyebrows and creating a bit of concern and conceding so
many points short. They played really well in the second
half against Tasman came back and won that on the

(39:44):
points in terms of the number of points scored in
that second forty minutes. But you can't let teams get
away like that and there has to be some question
mark class around commitment and defense. I guess when you
can see an average of sixty two points in the
last four matches you play, talk.

Speaker 2 (40:00):
About the ull Blacks, but the depth they have it
halfback now, cam Roygard outstanding on Saturday as we've seen.
But Dylan, please you tell us a bit more about
Dylan because this guy is really going is his stocks
are really rising and quickly.

Speaker 7 (40:12):
Yeah, he's a promising young player, there's no doubt about that.
Twenty years of age. Made his debut for Otago last year.
His vice captain of the New Zealand under twenties and
he has been on that side for two years. And
he's just someone that does the basics really well. His
passing is accurate, he doesn't hesitate, he seems to read
a game really well. He's got a nice little running

(40:35):
style about him. He's got a bit of a David
Kirk look to him. But I just think he's got
all the skills that are halfback needs, and he does
those basic functions really well. Is kicking game is quite
He doesn't use it very much, which I like to see,
but when he does use it, he's very accurate. He
runs with pace. He's decision making under pressure is just outstanding.

(40:57):
And he's a young man who I think could well
be in the higher honors before the year is out.
I'm not saying All Blacks, but I understand the All
Black fifteen are playing at the end of the year
as well, and I wouldn't be surprised. I think they
played the Barbarians in the UK. It wouldn't be surprised
if he is in line for that because there's been
big racks on this young man. You've just got to
protect them and nurture them and don't throw them into

(41:18):
the lions den too early. But he's got all the
trappings of being oh I think not only an All Black,
but a damn good one and years to come.

Speaker 2 (41:25):
So what does this be for the Highlanders for twenty
twenty six Pool? Based on what we've seen in the MPC.

Speaker 7 (41:31):
OH hard to know how quickly that or how slowly
that translates. We often seen many of the Hardenless players
playing in Super rugby for Otago. They've been riddled with
Super rugby players in the past and.

Speaker 3 (41:43):
They haven't performed.

Speaker 7 (41:44):
They've had a change of coach this year and Mark
Brown's came in former Canterbury co coach for a couple
of seasons and also the assistant coach for a couple
of years and he coached the under nineteen so he's
got good coaching category. He's saying that a lot of
the players in the Otago team are now a year older,
year more mature, and a year more settled. I actually

(42:04):
think he's got to take a lot of the credit himself.
He seems to have got an environment where the team
is performing so consistently. Well, they're not world beaters, but
they're just doing the basics right. Games that they used
to lose in the past are now winning. And the
fact that they won the ran Fairly Shield just nine
days ago, and then they came home on the Saturday.

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On Sunday morning, they had lunch together at a local
hotel and then they went and saw the Otago women
play in the afternoon and they gave themselves one hour
only to start later the following day, and so they
had their feet on the ground all the way through.

Speaker 4 (42:39):
I think he's just bought.

Speaker 7 (42:40):
A really common sense approach to things and so that's
refreshing and it's coming through.

Speaker 5 (42:45):
On terms of the field, you've got guys.

Speaker 7 (42:46):
Likes of Lucas Casey, who a lot of people are
talking about as an open side flanker. He's now joined
the Hidless Wider squad for next year and he's been
linked in for twenty twenty seven, so.

Speaker 5 (42:56):
I guess it's early days.

Speaker 7 (42:57):
But as we know, the one thing you can't have
in the Heartland, Otago or Southland has a lot of
injuries because if you do, your depth of squad isn't
the same as what it is in some of the
other provinces which have more riches. So this year Otago
had not really been hit badly with injuries at all
and have been able to keep a really consistent look
to it. And I guess that's what the Heartlands look
for as well, because they are trying to build a

(43:18):
death to squad. But in some positions if they get
a couple of key players injured very early in the season,
that makes it pretty tough at the back end.

Speaker 2 (43:25):
Good on you, Paul Ellison always appreciate your time in
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Speaker 4 (43:28):
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