October 1, 2025 • 9 mins
Jason Pine of Newstalk ZB looks at an early start to the Blackcaps' international season, but is it about quality or quantity?
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
Jason Pine out the news dog ZB joins us on
a Thursday afternoon. Poney, good afternoon, straight off the cuff.
Normally I'll be complaining about rugby encroaching into the cracket season,
but this time around it his cricket encroaching into the
rugby season. The T twenty last night at Mount MONGANII
not a good start for the black Caps, although it
was kind of inevitable.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
Yeah, they might want to reconsider andy whether they have
cricket at this time, not just because of the result,
but oddly enough a little bit of the back end
of winter autumn, whatever it was, but of a windy
old night there at the Mount last night. I saw
a stat saying it's the earliest there's ever been a
home international in our home summer, the first of October.
(00:48):
So yeah, it was look there were parts of it
I liked, in particular watching Tim Robinson bat. He only
really got a game because rich And Rabindra was a
late withdrawal after kalo iding with a advertising hoarding while
doing fielding practice a couple of days before. But Tim
Robinson coming in an unbeaten one hundred and six off
(01:08):
sixty six balls, remembering of course that New Zealand was
six for three in the second over, so you know,
you'd probably it'd probably be quite happy to rack up
one eighty one for six. Never really going to be
enough though, to be honest. I mean Jederson good t
twenty cricketers in this Australian side, Captain Mitch marsh with
(01:30):
what eighty five or forty three got them going. By
the time Travis Head was out in the sixth over,
they were already approaching seventy. So it always just looked
a bit too easy for Australia and they got there
with what two and a half three and a half
overs to spare, which in ten twenty tens is getting
there at a canter. So look, the weather forecast ain't
there great for amountain. We're going to be for tomorrow
(01:52):
or for Saturday unfortunately, but let's hope they can get
some sort of cricket.
Speaker 3 (01:56):
And in Games two and three you're kind.
Speaker 1 (01:58):
Of tacking fate playing cricket in news Land at this
time of year. I mean the game yesterday down here
in the South for example, we have snowflourries for goodness sake.
But yeah, it just seems really really early, is it.
Nothing more than revenue gathering or what's the.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
Go I guess you just got to try and fit
it in where you can. I mean, we know Australia
who got the ashes coming up. And look, if you
get the chance to play a three game series against Australia,
you take that opportunity because it doesn't come along very often.
And you know, obviously the Chapel Hadley is something that's
been played for for a while now. But yeah, look,
(02:31):
if there's anywhere that you can probably rely on, at
least for the most part to be fine about this
time of the year, it's Mount Monganiue. We know how
many sunshine hours they get across the summer months. Maybe
it was a bit optimistic hoping that that would be
the case in early October, but look, it's just as
likely to have been a beautiful day there yesterday and
across the weekend.
Speaker 3 (02:50):
We can never control the weather. Look, I don't mind it.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
I enjoyed watching a bit of cricket last night and
hope that we can get some more tomorrow night and Saturday.
Speaker 1 (02:58):
Now, the silver ferns in the net, this just gets
arguably ugly grace. The week of the other night on
the mic openly proclaiming for Dame Nolen Toto to come back.
But it sounds as ads are split in the ranks
of the Silver Ferns.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
Yeah, that's what we're hearing. And look, it's just a
really unfortunate situation all around, really Andy, you know, just
a bit of a shambles when as we understand it,
there are high level meetings going on now with Dame Nolen,
Todoa and whoever on that on New Zealand side is
involved in needs to try and thrash out a solution.
I mean, Dame Nolen from all reports, wants to continue
(03:35):
a Silver Ferns coach. There's clearly a cohort of players
including Grace Wecki, Karen Berger and others who are very
very keen for her to come back into the mix.
And equally, we're hearing there's a there's a group of players,
you know, and depending on who you believe, it's anywhere
between two and seven who have an issue with the
(03:55):
way she conducts herself as head coach of the Silver Ferns.
It's just a really unfortunate situation. And to hear that
yesterday they sat in the room Dame Nolen and netballne
New Zealand for ten hours without being able to come
up with the solutions that I have gone back in
today is really I mean.
Speaker 3 (04:14):
I don't know what that means. Andy.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
The longer it goes, does it seem more likely or
less likely that Dave Nolean will come back? I ready
don't know the answer. All I do know is it's
a really unfortunate chapter for New Zealand netball. And look,
they've got a Constellation Cup series which starts in two weeks.
They've got to pick the squad, they've got to get
into camp, they've got to train, they've got to play.
(04:35):
Who's doing all of that? And even if Dave Nolen
does come back, what sort of mindset is she going
to have she as she takes over again, And if
there are still players in that squad who have an
issue with her, then how's that going to all play out.
It's a very very unfortunate situation. As I say, I
just hope there's some sort of resolution soon. There has
to be otherwise it's you know, you can't just let
(04:58):
this drag on. Decide one while or the other whether
Dave Nolan is coming back in and then at least
we'll have some clarity and we can move forward from there.
Speaker 1 (05:06):
Is it around her coaching techniques just being old school
or what is it? What are you hearing?
Speaker 2 (05:11):
No idea, no idea, what it is. I think we're
all sort of assuming that that's what it is, because
she is from that, I guess, that old school style
of coaching. But I've always found Dame Noline told her
to be very collegial in the way that she deals
with people. And you look at a play like Grace Wiki,
she's not that old, you know. It's not as though
this is a split between those from the older side
(05:35):
of things and the silver ferns and the young ones.
I think Grace Week is only about twenty two, twenty
three years old, and she obviously is a huge fan
of Dave Noline. So I don't know, Andy, I mean,
I'd only be speculating, and there's plenty of that around.
That's the issue here as well, in the cone of
silence that's been created here, everybody is just speculating, and
until we have some actual concrete facts around this, that's
(05:57):
all we can do. Really, As I say, I think
the best thing for everybody would be for this thing
to be resolved once and for all.
Speaker 1 (06:04):
The All Blacks are over in Perth against the Wallaby's
this weekend and a lot of pundits are actually expecting
the Australians to come through with a narrow win. For
some reason. They're thinking Australia and Perth they're going to
do that. They're going to do the business.
Speaker 2 (06:17):
Well. I guess if you look at this year, it
would follow a trend, wouldn't it. You know, we beat Argentina,
we lose to Argentina, we beat South Africa, we lose
to South Africa, we beat Australia. The continuation of that
trend is a loss to Australia on Saturday night in Perth,
and it wouldn't beyond the realms of possibility Andy that
they get up and do that. I would like to
think that the All Blacks quest for what consistency would
(06:40):
start in Perth on Saturday night. They can string two
wins together and start to find some sort of you know,
consistency is the only word I can think of ready
to describe it. You know, winning games and then winning
another game, and then winning another game, and then going
off to the Northern Tour and winning as many of
those games over there as possible too. Look, I still
(07:01):
think the All Blacks would be favorites for the game,
but I think Australia, especially off the back of last
weekend at Eden Park where yust not forget they came
back from seventeen points down in the first half to
close it up to within three at half time. At
the seventy minute mark they were within two points, so
just a penalty or a drop goal away from actually
beating the All Blacks before Cameroy guards late tride. Plus
(07:25):
they were missing a couple of key players, Will Skelton
and Rob Valatini coming back in this week, so they
will be optimistic that they can turn things around in.
Speaker 3 (07:33):
What will be you know, a bit of a quadron.
Speaker 2 (07:35):
Sixty five thousand tickets sold for this game on Saturday
night over in Perth. Look, I think it'll be another
cracking test match as they all have been in the
Rugby Championship this year. For the neutral anyway, you just
don't know from week to week who's going to beat who.
So look, I'm interested to see what kind of team
they select, whether they go for a few tweaks, a
few changes when know Scott Barrett will come back in
(07:58):
if if he gets through the a couple of days
training over there. He is the All Blacks captain after all.
What will they do at first five? Probably Damien McKenzie
with Boat and Barrett injured. What will they do in
the back three with Caleb Clark under an injury cloud.
I think Leroy Carter has done really well, so I
think he'll be there. Will they move will Jordan to
the wing? Will they will they make a change at
fall back? Will they bring Rica Yoanni back in? Will
(08:20):
they give somebody else a go? You know, there's a
few selection questions, and I guess we'll get an idea
of what they're thinking a bit later on this afternoon.
Speaker 1 (08:30):
Jason Pine, weekend sporting host on news Doorg ZIBB twelve
to three. Always appreciate your time on the muster.
Speaker 3 (08:35):
Good stuff any good to chat mate to you soon.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
Laugh out loud with ag proud because life on the
land can be a laughing matter.
Speaker 1 (08:46):
Brought to us by sheer Well data working to help
the livestock farmer. I threw a ball from a dog.
It's a bit extravagant, I know, but it was his
birthday and man, he looks great. In the tuxedo. That's
ask for the afternoon. Enjoy the sunshine while we've got
a amandy mealer. This has been the musk Ron hockey.
Now he choose to pay his genetics see tomorrow
Jason Pine out the news dog ZB joins us on
a Thursday afternoon. Poney, good afternoon, straight off the cuff.
Normally I'll be complaining about rugby encroaching into the cracket season,
but this time around it his cricket encroaching into the
rugby season. The T twenty last night at Mount MONGANII
not a good start for the black Caps, although it
was kind of inevitable.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
Yeah, they might want to reconsider andy whether they have
cricket at this time, not just because of the result,
but oddly enough a little bit of the back end
of winter autumn, whatever it was, but of a windy
old night there at the Mount last night. I saw
a stat saying it's the earliest there's ever been a
home international in our home summer, the first of October.
(00:48):
So yeah, it was look there were parts of it
I liked, in particular watching Tim Robinson bat. He only
really got a game because rich And Rabindra was a
late withdrawal after kalo iding with a advertising hoarding while
doing fielding practice a couple of days before. But Tim
Robinson coming in an unbeaten one hundred and six off
(01:08):
sixty six balls, remembering of course that New Zealand was
six for three in the second over, so you know,
you'd probably it'd probably be quite happy to rack up
one eighty one for six. Never really going to be
enough though, to be honest. I mean Jederson good t
twenty cricketers in this Australian side, Captain Mitch marsh with
(01:30):
what eighty five or forty three got them going. By
the time Travis Head was out in the sixth over,
they were already approaching seventy. So it always just looked
a bit too easy for Australia and they got there
with what two and a half three and a half
overs to spare, which in ten twenty tens is getting
there at a canter. So look, the weather forecast ain't
there great for amountain. We're going to be for tomorrow
(01:52):
or for Saturday unfortunately, but let's hope they can get
some sort of cricket.
Speaker 3 (01:56):
And in Games two and three you're kind.
Speaker 1 (01:58):
Of tacking fate playing cricket in news Land at this
time of year. I mean the game yesterday down here
in the South for example, we have snowflourries for goodness sake.
But yeah, it just seems really really early, is it.
Nothing more than revenue gathering or what's the.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
Go I guess you just got to try and fit
it in where you can. I mean, we know Australia
who got the ashes coming up. And look, if you
get the chance to play a three game series against Australia,
you take that opportunity because it doesn't come along very often.
And you know, obviously the Chapel Hadley is something that's
been played for for a while now. But yeah, look,
(02:31):
if there's anywhere that you can probably rely on, at
least for the most part to be fine about this
time of the year, it's Mount Monganiue. We know how
many sunshine hours they get across the summer months. Maybe
it was a bit optimistic hoping that that would be
the case in early October, but look, it's just as
likely to have been a beautiful day there yesterday and
across the weekend.
Speaker 3 (02:50):
We can never control the weather. Look, I don't mind it.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
I enjoyed watching a bit of cricket last night and
hope that we can get some more tomorrow night and Saturday.
Speaker 1 (02:58):
Now, the silver ferns in the net, this just gets
arguably ugly grace. The week of the other night on
the mic openly proclaiming for Dame Nolen Toto to come back.
But it sounds as ads are split in the ranks
of the Silver Ferns.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
Yeah, that's what we're hearing. And look, it's just a
really unfortunate situation all around, really Andy, you know, just
a bit of a shambles when as we understand it,
there are high level meetings going on now with Dame Nolen,
Todoa and whoever on that on New Zealand side is
involved in needs to try and thrash out a solution.
I mean, Dame Nolen from all reports, wants to continue
(03:35):
a Silver Ferns coach. There's clearly a cohort of players
including Grace Wecki, Karen Berger and others who are very
very keen for her to come back into the mix.
And equally, we're hearing there's a there's a group of players,
you know, and depending on who you believe, it's anywhere
between two and seven who have an issue with the
(03:55):
way she conducts herself as head coach of the Silver Ferns.
It's just a really unfortunate situation. And to hear that
yesterday they sat in the room Dame Nolen and netballne
New Zealand for ten hours without being able to come
up with the solutions that I have gone back in
today is really I mean.
Speaker 3 (04:14):
I don't know what that means. Andy.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
The longer it goes, does it seem more likely or
less likely that Dave Nolean will come back? I ready
don't know the answer. All I do know is it's
a really unfortunate chapter for New Zealand netball. And look,
they've got a Constellation Cup series which starts in two weeks.
They've got to pick the squad, they've got to get
into camp, they've got to train, they've got to play.
(04:35):
Who's doing all of that? And even if Dave Nolen
does come back, what sort of mindset is she going
to have she as she takes over again, And if
there are still players in that squad who have an
issue with her, then how's that going to all play out.
It's a very very unfortunate situation. As I say, I
just hope there's some sort of resolution soon. There has
to be otherwise it's you know, you can't just let
(04:58):
this drag on. Decide one while or the other whether
Dave Nolan is coming back in and then at least
we'll have some clarity and we can move forward from there.
Speaker 1 (05:06):
Is it around her coaching techniques just being old school
or what is it? What are you hearing?
Speaker 2 (05:11):
No idea, no idea, what it is. I think we're
all sort of assuming that that's what it is, because
she is from that, I guess, that old school style
of coaching. But I've always found Dame Noline told her
to be very collegial in the way that she deals
with people. And you look at a play like Grace Wiki,
she's not that old, you know. It's not as though
this is a split between those from the older side
(05:35):
of things and the silver ferns and the young ones.
I think Grace Week is only about twenty two, twenty
three years old, and she obviously is a huge fan
of Dave Noline. So I don't know, Andy, I mean,
I'd only be speculating, and there's plenty of that around.
That's the issue here as well, in the cone of
silence that's been created here, everybody is just speculating, and
until we have some actual concrete facts around this, that's
(05:57):
all we can do. Really, As I say, I think
the best thing for everybody would be for this thing
to be resolved once and for all.
Speaker 1 (06:04):
The All Blacks are over in Perth against the Wallaby's
this weekend and a lot of pundits are actually expecting
the Australians to come through with a narrow win. For
some reason. They're thinking Australia and Perth they're going to
do that. They're going to do the business.
Speaker 2 (06:17):
Well. I guess if you look at this year, it
would follow a trend, wouldn't it. You know, we beat Argentina,
we lose to Argentina, we beat South Africa, we lose
to South Africa, we beat Australia. The continuation of that
trend is a loss to Australia on Saturday night in Perth,
and it wouldn't beyond the realms of possibility Andy that
they get up and do that. I would like to
think that the All Blacks quest for what consistency would
(06:40):
start in Perth on Saturday night. They can string two
wins together and start to find some sort of you know,
consistency is the only word I can think of ready
to describe it. You know, winning games and then winning
another game, and then winning another game, and then going
off to the Northern Tour and winning as many of
those games over there as possible too. Look, I still
(07:01):
think the All Blacks would be favorites for the game,
but I think Australia, especially off the back of last
weekend at Eden Park where yust not forget they came
back from seventeen points down in the first half to
close it up to within three at half time. At
the seventy minute mark they were within two points, so
just a penalty or a drop goal away from actually
beating the All Blacks before Cameroy guards late tride. Plus
(07:25):
they were missing a couple of key players, Will Skelton
and Rob Valatini coming back in this week, so they
will be optimistic that they can turn things around in.
Speaker 3 (07:33):
What will be you know, a bit of a quadron.
Speaker 2 (07:35):
Sixty five thousand tickets sold for this game on Saturday
night over in Perth. Look, I think it'll be another
cracking test match as they all have been in the
Rugby Championship this year. For the neutral anyway, you just
don't know from week to week who's going to beat who.
So look, I'm interested to see what kind of team
they select, whether they go for a few tweaks, a
few changes when know Scott Barrett will come back in
(07:58):
if if he gets through the a couple of days
training over there. He is the All Blacks captain after all.
What will they do at first five? Probably Damien McKenzie
with Boat and Barrett injured. What will they do in
the back three with Caleb Clark under an injury cloud.
I think Leroy Carter has done really well, so I
think he'll be there. Will they move will Jordan to
the wing? Will they will they make a change at
fall back? Will they bring Rica Yoanni back in? Will
(08:20):
they give somebody else a go? You know, there's a
few selection questions, and I guess we'll get an idea
of what they're thinking a bit later on this afternoon.
Speaker 1 (08:30):
Jason Pine, weekend sporting host on news Doorg ZIBB twelve
to three. Always appreciate your time on the muster.
Speaker 3 (08:35):
Good stuff any good to chat mate to you soon.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
Laugh out loud with ag proud because life on the
land can be a laughing matter.
Speaker 1 (08:46):
Brought to us by sheer Well data working to help
the livestock farmer. I threw a ball from a dog.
It's a bit extravagant, I know, but it was his
birthday and man, he looks great. In the tuxedo. That's
ask for the afternoon. Enjoy the sunshine while we've got
a amandy mealer. This has been the musk Ron hockey.
Now he choose to pay his genetics see tomorrow
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