October 3, 2025 • 46 mins
Andy Muir talks to Eric Roy, Bryce McKenzie, Leon Black, Matt Ward and Matt McRae.
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Speaker 1 (00:05):
Last night, I have the strangers a very good morning
and welcome along to the best of the Muster, a
collaboration of interviews that took our attention during your busy
week here at Hakanui HQ. My name's Andy Muller was
starting off the hour by catching up with Eric Roy,
former MP, who sees political polls that we see out
and about in the media at the moment. He reckons
in a true reflection of what's going to happen next
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year in the general election. So Eric just says we
just need to put all this in perspective at the moment.
Bryce McKenzie, co founder at Groundsmound New Zealand, talks about
survey results that have been released regarding the Paris Accord
and from a rural viewpoint. Leon Black talking to Thornbury
Young Farmer's ninetieth celebrations which are happening in November. It
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seems a fair way away, but it's going to come
around quicker than not. Matt Ward Farms at Morden Mains
talks about the rise of the wall price that was
seen over the last ten days at Matt mccraeb Macerda
talking about the alliance with Dawn Meats. It's been all
the talk over the last couple of weeks, especially down
here in the south of the director road show has
been that have been occurring. But Matt thinks we need
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to be a bit more transparent, well, needs to be
more transparency from the Alliance group around what's going to
happen here. So, without further ado, we'll start the best
of the Muster with Eric Croi. Welcome back to the Muster.
(01:37):
Former MP Eric Roid joins us in our political roundup
this afternoon. Eric, good afternoon, how are you, Oh, very good.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
I'm up at Tana and she's pretty jolly wet up here,
that's sure.
Speaker 1 (01:50):
If nothing else, at least the lake there is filled
up to what it.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
Was, well it was. I've never seen it so low
at you know, at the end of August in August,
so I've never seen it as low as it was.
So hopefully we won't have to import too much more
coal from Indonesia to keep things going.
Speaker 1 (02:08):
That is a whole new, totally different subject to have
to decipher, isn't it. Why do we and why do
we get coal from Indonesia, Well.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
Because it's cheaper than our own coal. When we don't
mind children mining it. I don't know, it's non sensical. No,
i'n sensical.
Speaker 1 (02:25):
Oh. Absolutely. Look, there's quite a bit going on in
the political landscape at the moment. Talking about the polls.
It's got everything neck and neck. But is this a
true reflection of what we're seeing? Would you say?
Speaker 2 (02:35):
Oh, no, Look, I don't think so. I think what
we've got at the moment is a bit of a
process vote. To me, there seems to be just an
absolute disconnect as to why things are so slow economically
and then recovery wise, and it doesn't seem to be
any connection back to the last administration and what they did,
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and you know, the need for the Reserve Bank to
clamp down on inflation and the impact that that said,
and how long it takes to turn the ship around
when it's not going right, And I think, yeah, firstly,
I don't really understand what the importance for poles are
so far out from an election, other than to give
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the media something to talk about. But it's interesting that
each of the political parties do their own polling not
so much on where they sit in relation to popularity,
but what are the issues that actually concern you and
cost of living has been right up there, and that's
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why I don't watch it every day, but occasionally if
I'm in and Question Time is on, I'll turn it
on and the opposition is question to question on what
are you doing about the cost of living?
Speaker 3 (03:54):
What are you doing about this?
Speaker 2 (03:55):
What are you doing about that? Which is why Nikola
Willis is talking about butter and various other things because
it's a national's poll and will be telling them that
is also an issue. And when the thing that will
happen as we near the elections, people will start to
look at policy rather than have just a boat in
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the polls, which is representing their discord at the situation.
And well hopefully they'll look at well the other coalition
will include to Patty Maury and the Greens and what
portfolios will to Patty Maury have to be in the coalition,
what will the Greens have, how will the wealth tax works?
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And all of those questions which at the moment are
being totally ignored because we're completely absorbed by the cost
of living.
Speaker 1 (04:47):
And this is where a tech politics comes into play, unfortunately.
But the fact is the coalition option on the left
is certainly not that palatable.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
Well not to me anyway.
Speaker 1 (04:58):
For a lot of people to be fair, yes, you.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
Know when you just think about where the jolly well,
who's going to have what? And what are they going
to do and what will would Labor have to give
away to form a coalition and it's pretty skewed. I
think we're in an interesting phase in politics like that.
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There's probably at least thirty percent of the vote now
committed to New Zealand First Act, to Paddy Murray and
the Greens, So that means that Labor and National, the
two main center parties, will be fighting over seventy percent
of the vote, so they're never going to get much
over the mid thirties and the rest have be made
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up from the other side. And you know there has
to be a bit of horse training to form a
coalition and who knows what that will bring.
Speaker 1 (05:54):
Well, Chloe small brick, flying business class. You got part
of that on social media last week. Is this a
case of hypocrisy or is just a necessarily evil for
MPs to go and do their jobs.
Speaker 2 (06:04):
There used to be a term we called chardon a
socialists or spa bath socialists, and I think you can
work out that might be exactly what happens. So yeah,
it's interesting, really really interesting that the way in people
which people conduct themselves and think that it's totally dissociated
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from the policies that they're espousing when they get on
a podium in a hall somewhere.
Speaker 1 (06:32):
What's Peters say in New Zealand, won't recognize a Palestinian state?
Do you agree?
Speaker 2 (06:38):
Well, I can understand why I said it. You know,
I've always been of the new that the only solution
is to have two states and to give Palestine some recognition.
And I can understand why I'm saying, well, we're not
ready at the moment to do that. We don't want
to glorify a mass we need to know exactly where
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the boundaries of this new state might be and what
that might mean. And we're recognizing now facilitate a piece deal.
Will it get the rest of the hostages back? What's
actually going on? I can understand all of the conundrums
that are around doing that, So I can understand why
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he did that. But you know, long term, I think
there has to be two states. Plastine needs to have
their own spot and have some charity out there. There's
currently twenty three wars going on around the world. I
don't know, Burmer and Tyler being mark Thailand might have
settled down at the moment, might bring us back to
twenty two. And some of them are horrendous losses, probably
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the greatest of what would be what's happening in the
Sudan at the moment. So there's you know, there's a
lot of discontent which is happening with quite dramatic impacts
in a lot of countries right now. And well we
know about the Ukraine as well, but the Gaza one
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is uh is on air streams with.
Speaker 4 (08:08):
Great regularity, and the.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
Over reaction I think we would call it at Israel
to a war that was started by Hamas is of
great concern.
Speaker 1 (08:19):
Doctor Anna Breeman has been appointed as Governor of the
Reserve Bank.
Speaker 2 (08:23):
Yes, well that's kind of fascinating. Really their role is
an independent and their task with controlling inflation. And you know,
I think you if you wind the clock back, why
was aben Awe reappointed shortly before the election? You think
they would have delayed that wee but in the way
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that the government has delayed the new governor general thing
to be on the next election, and obviously he was
a friend of the policy. Well not obviously my view.
He was a friend of the policies of the Labor
government and the money that they were dishing out. And
he had some pretty extraordinary views about how important he
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was and how much more money he needed to run
the show, and a whole lot of things. And so
they do have an independent role, but they also need
to be a friend of the government to understand what's
got to happen in terms of getting some growth into
the whole solution of where they are, or the equation
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of controlling inflation. So it's been an interesting bit and
I understand there were sixteen applicants for the job, which
shows that in sort of what we think, some people
with a lot of very good qualifications put their hand up.
Speaker 1 (09:43):
Now, doctor Breman's come from Sweden, where she's been Deputy
governor of Sweden's Central Bag. Do you think perhaps she's
bringing a bit more of a neutral perspective to the role.
Speaker 2 (09:52):
Well, we'll have to wait and see.
Speaker 3 (09:55):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (09:56):
Just see, the Reserve being is independent. They're quite set
from Treasury, which gives advice to the government, and the
government relies on Trury's advice when they're sorting out what
policies will be and what the impact will be. But
every quarter we get something of a state of the
Nation's speech from the Governor of the Reserve Bank, when
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they talk about whether they're going to put the official
cash rate up or down or hold it. Whether they
have any more formal talks of the government, I simply
don't know. But they need to actually be thinking a
little bit wider than just the official cash rate and
what that might mean. And inflation. Yes, their role is
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to keep inflation under three percent between one and three
and we can't understate how important that is. Like I
can remember on one occasion in the Muldoon years where
inflation had eighteen percent and then we had to get
smps and a whole lot of things and just to
keep people viable. We don't ever want to go anywhere
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near that again.
Speaker 1 (11:00):
Doing there's a blast from the blast from the past.
Eric Roy always good to catch up.
Speaker 5 (11:04):
Right out, Good one, Welcome back to the muster.
Speaker 1 (11:15):
Bryce McKenzie is co founder of Groundswew New Zealand and
joins us this afternoon.
Speaker 4 (11:21):
Good afternoon, Bryce, afternoon, Andy and listeners.
Speaker 1 (11:25):
How's everything out there and west of Targo today. You're coping,
all right, Yeah we are.
Speaker 4 (11:30):
But it's a little bit cool Andy. I mean, last
year might have been wet, but this year certainly a
cold spring. It was after yesterday's about twenty one degrees.
It was one out of the box and now we're
back to bloom single figgers again.
Speaker 1 (11:43):
Yesterday was bonkers. It was like eighteen degrees or something
about three or four o'clock and then it just cooled
downside of raining and Gore, I don't know about six
thirty I suppose.
Speaker 4 (11:52):
Yeah, no, it was quite strange, really, but man, it
was good to have that heat through the day. You
can just out see the grass leaping out on the ground.
Speaker 1 (12:00):
Now you talk about strange, it's this whole pair of
situation which a Groundsweur perspective. I suppose you're finding strange. Bryce.
There was a survey go out to farmers recently, ninety
four percent of them saying remaining in the Paris Accord
isn't in the country's best interest. Now, over two thousand
farmers responded to this joint survey you promoted with ENSIP
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Farming and the Methane Science Accord. But how many farmers
would have received the survey.
Speaker 4 (12:26):
Ah, that's very difficult to know. Andy. I think we've
put links to it on social media so that there
would have been a lot of farmers have access to it.
But yeah, really difficult to say just how many.
Speaker 1 (12:41):
Are we just going over old retrich though, Bryce, we
seem to have been talking about this for the last
twelve to eighteen months with no real gains either way.
Speaker 4 (12:49):
Yeah, well, no, there are some gains Andy. I mean,
we've got two political parties now that are really keen
on doing something about it, So I guess that's going
to be a gain. Because we talked to that back
about February this year and at that stage they said
it wasn't on their horizon, so that was interesting that
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they said that and then what they come out with.
I mean, they've been quite firm on their thinking on
the Paris Accords. So no, there's been some great gains,
and you know, time will tell what really happens. And
it's quite in the mode of subject. I mean, we
get one or two emails from people that just think
they were destroying New Zealand if we pulled out, and
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we're not saying that there's going to be no repercussions.
I mean, when you do something politically, there's always a
repercussion or two. But if they push what is in
the agreement and might have been decided, if you don't
need targets what it could cost you, then goodness great
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as me. You know, it could cost the country billions
in the futures, costing us money already. I mean, there's
lots of places where you can see that the Paris
Accord is costing us money. All our trees and everything
is the result of trying to cut emissions in mine
with the Paris Agreement.
Speaker 1 (14:13):
Like Meetla's said, two out of three eight bad bryce,
but it's not three out of three, and unfortunately the
big one is the National Party.
Speaker 4 (14:20):
Yeah, quite right, Andy, But you know, if you're forming
a coalition then you normally have to have some trade offs.
Having two out of three could mean that there would
be some quite good trade offs going on. So let's
just see what happens. Mind you, you've got to get
those three parties as part of the next government, and
you know other things aren't just that sweet in some
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areas already. So who would know.
Speaker 1 (14:44):
Have you been in comms at all with labor, like
said Joe Luxton or the likes regarding the Paris accord.
Speaker 4 (14:51):
Ah, look, just nothing, Siah, no serious talks about it.
But I have mentioned it to Joe in one of
our conversations. But yeah, nothing too serious. I don't think
labor's interested at the stage and doing anything about it.
But however, who knows to.
Speaker 1 (15:09):
Be fair, they were still waiting for Labor to come
out with some policy regarding agriculture.
Speaker 4 (15:15):
Yeah, that's what I was implying when I said, who knows, time.
Speaker 1 (15:19):
Will tell them that one. Now trade negotiations they're runing
to pay around. This is where Todder Clay, Trade Minister overseas,
Winston Peters as well. So the arguments there. You guys
are on the ground trying to do what they can.
Speaker 4 (15:32):
Yeah, that's right, and I'm sure they are. You know,
I think Todd McClay is actually doing a pretty good
job and doing for agriculture. So I haven't really got
any bones to pack with Todd. But you know, some
of those agreements are not being held up already. The
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one with I think it's European Union. They were cut
there these on fuel as part of our agreement with them,
and they've actually put them up, so they're subsidies up,
so you know they're not they're not fulfilling the agreement anyway,
and that doesn't appear to be any penalties for not
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doing it, so what's the point in having it?
Speaker 1 (16:18):
So okay, flip the coin around. How many farmers have
been in touch saying that your narrative is wrong and
you're supporting what's going on with Paris?
Speaker 4 (16:27):
A lot, very few that they are.
Speaker 1 (16:30):
Out there though, people are out there in agreement with.
Speaker 4 (16:33):
It, though, yes, yes they definitely are, but not you know,
very very small percentage. But well that we get feedback from.
Put it that way, most of our feedback is from
people that are in favor of it. Probably they could
even be as high as thirty to one, and it's
probably even higher that are in favor of it. But
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then you only get those people that are actively interested
that give feedback. Most people don't bother. It's a bit
like doing the survey that for every question you put
in it, you get a massive drop off. I think
it's something like if you put it in an email,
about fifty percent of people open it. If you put
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one question, then those fifty percent are likely to answer it.
If you put two questions and fifty percent of them
won't bother going on, and so it goes. The more
questions you put in, that just keeps dropping off for
quite a high percentage. So yeah, it's hard to get
people to buy.
Speaker 1 (17:32):
And so in the scheme of things, two salesand farmers
are applying was a win.
Speaker 4 (17:37):
Oh yeah, Yeah, we were pleased with that, We really were,
and you know, we had really pitched it so that
we only wanted farmers to answer it. Of course, there's
no way you can really check up on that for
the ones for all the ones against. I mean, I know,
if you're against it, you could quite likely fill it
in and say you're a farmer, and there's no way
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for us really to chance. Yeah, there's always a bit
of hit and miss on that. Andy.
Speaker 1 (18:04):
Now, also in this release, it came out that you
stipulated the National Party policy about a farming tax being
implemented by twenty thirty for the possibility of another labor
Green government being just an election away, heaven help us
a year out. So what are we actually hearing now
as far as the farming tax by the National Party.
Speaker 4 (18:24):
Oh, look, I think there's an announcement due either this week
or next week. And what we're hearing, Andy, is somewhere
between fourteen and twenty four percent charge on methane. So
who would know.
Speaker 1 (18:41):
So we're just tasting our tails on this whole subject
more or less.
Speaker 4 (18:44):
Still, Yeah, yeah, yeah, we definitely are. Yeah. Well, I
mean the government has committed to putting a charge on
a missions for farmers and they're basically committed to that,
and so they're going about and the way that they
do as politicians. Yeah, that will come out anytime soon,
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and then you'll hear everybody so well, you know, we've
only got to drop another twenty thirty and we should
do that easily. We'll get the same old wherever it
come out. Well, if that's the case, why are we
even bothering? And you wait, that's exactly the line they're
going to take. It's not going to be a problem
to do it.
Speaker 1 (19:26):
And there recent times, Bryce Bakinsie. And by the way,
every time I get an email from ground Swell, I
read it in a voice like you have at the moment.
Don't ask me whyever it comes out that way. Always
appreciate your.
Speaker 4 (19:36):
Time, tears, Andy, I'm sorry I've got in your here
that much.
Speaker 1 (19:50):
Well, ilcome back to the Muster and the Young Farmer's segment.
This afternoon's something a bit different. We are catching up
with Leon Black. He's going to fill us in on
the Thornbury Young Farmer's ninetieth which is happening in November,
which is coming around quickly, the first of October. To Morray, Leon,
good afternoon. Firstly, you'll be looking forward to seeing September
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in the mirror.
Speaker 6 (20:12):
I'd imagine absolutely, she's been a a bit of a
mind blower. Not often you say this proudly, but I've
seen over eight inches andy and that's more than enough.
Speaker 1 (20:24):
How different to last year? Would you say? The situation
is leeon. Of course, you're about ten k's out of Riverton,
aren't you.
Speaker 6 (20:29):
Yeah. We had constant rain from sort of the autumn
right through last year. In the ground conditions were pulling
all the way, but we had a much better winter
dune July August. But the rainfall for September has actually
been more and we've had some pretty horrific winds and
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good lightning and thunderstorms as well, so a bit more
intense than September, but at least we started with better
ground conditions and the dairy guy's got the calving done
and final old fashion.
Speaker 1 (21:01):
Yeah, you're reminisced about July and August. It seems like
a lifetime ago now like it does for the startup
of Thornbury Young Farmers. The ninetieth Jubilee coming up in November,
Leon and when I do this cheat every week, it
was really cool and I appreciate meet he meets some
real characters of young people coming up, but they've all
got a real dying diet in the Wolf fabric to
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make young farmers succeed.
Speaker 6 (21:24):
Yeah, it's a great organization and it's fantastic training ground
for people going through to get some skills that stock judging, debating,
how to run a meeting. You know, it's been one
of the privileges of my life to be involved with
Thunbur Young Farmers and Young Farmers in general, district, regional
and national bill too. That it just it gives you
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a good heart that there's a future in a young
farmers guys and girls. So then the ninetieth Jubilee is
coming up the fifteenth November Indian and that's not just
for the Thornber Young Farmers, it's for Thornbury country Girls
and they got a special shout out to establish Young Farmers.
Their club folded into us and Thomberly actually helps start
them up back in the day, so in espablish members
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of older welcome to come along to the fifteenth November
and we've got a pretty full itinery.
Speaker 1 (22:12):
Andy, Yeah, what's the go what's happening? I'd say to
be a couple of bees.
Speaker 2 (22:16):
To be head there could be.
Speaker 6 (22:19):
We'll kick off with the challenge. It's going to be
set up by the Thornbury farber Gate and held down
at the Thornburrea Vintage Machinery and it's going to be
a challenge that the fiber Gates set up for Nightcaps
and Thornbread to play off, which is also a long
standing rivalry we've had. And then we'll be followed by
afternoon TV and there cake cutting in sofotos and then
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we'll fall out of that part of the thorn Bury.
We're basically taken over the township for the day and
then head to the hall for dinner, speeches and then
a band and we'll see you on Sunday.
Speaker 4 (22:53):
Mate.
Speaker 1 (22:54):
What would you say the resurgence of young farmers? What
would you put it down.
Speaker 6 (22:58):
To I think it's good people. And also there's there's
some really good connections made through the Young Farmers and
the various organizations that we've had a heap of businesses,
local and national willing to help give us a hand,
to help with supper and laughing and tea and flights
for Hugh, so he's a guest speaker, Hugh Jackson. We've
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got a couple of carpetbaggers in the club. We've had
young George Dobson was remember, and he went up somebody
moved back home and so did Hugh Jackson. So they're
both coming down and speaking and and yeah, just good
people that you know. Some of them are coming up
from town to Thornbury and there's a lot of I
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guess trens you or people that come to an area
to work often on the dairy farmers or with the
eggry services business, and they still like the farming side
and they want to connect with a group of like
minded and they do.
Speaker 4 (23:53):
It's great.
Speaker 1 (23:53):
Well, it's like in a sporting sense. I supposely on
the word culture has bade around a lot, but that's
exactly what the says. And like you just said, if
you're a young person going to a new area. It's
about going and just meeting up the like minded individuals,
even if you're not involved with the agricultural sector of suppose.
Speaker 6 (24:10):
Yeah, and I mean it's some basis to the club too,
Like it's ninety years running and we've got families in
the area that have like the Michael Strings Smith Flex
Flex that are third and fourth generation going through the club,
So you've got a strong base, and then they seem
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to be very welcoming of the newbies coming in, you know,
the Georgias and the Hughes and the kids coming out
of town and the egg service, and it makes for
a great network of people.
Speaker 1 (24:42):
So what would you say your fondest memories young farmers
would have been radio friendly, the.
Speaker 6 (24:49):
Radio friendly ones. I mean, we had absolutely stunning car trolls.
I guess my formdest memory has to be going to
Woodland Young Farmers Aunts and picking up my wife and
she she was cheer of Woodlands and we managed to
stay together for almost thirty years at the moment, So
that's been probably a big achievement for young farmers.
Speaker 1 (25:11):
I'd say it's a pretty good achievement.
Speaker 6 (25:13):
Yeah, and she's managed to produce three or four Young
Farmers condetay out of that, so that's good. We got
we got one up in the Commandel Young Farmers, we've
got one in the Courier l Young Farmers and one locally,
so they're still pretty well connected. And the other ones
would be won the National Debating Trophy twice stop judging
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national levels several times. So yeah, just some real highlights.
Speaker 1 (25:40):
Yeah, I'd agree with that. When I was involved with
Balfer back in the early nineties, very similar. I mean
we were talking about names off here before that are
some noomenous with young Farmers over the years, and we've
seen a number of clubs they've turned up, they've disappeared,
although luckily likes a Balfer and Tiana now straight off
the calf they've got resurrected over the last few years
and they're going absolutely game busters for numbers. So it
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still shows that the Federation with Young Farmers as such
still as a high relevance. Yeah.
Speaker 6 (26:08):
Absolutely, and and I think probably you know there they
connected a different way now with social media, you know,
so like if people want to get tickets for this,
they can go on to the Thornbury Young Farmer's ninetieth
Jibile Facebook page in the link through the tickets, and
if they wish to not go on Facebook, they can
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call myself on two one eight five six or brook Fleet.
She's on the committee taking registrations. So those contacts are there,
and you know, but they do message a lot, they
do have their Facebook pages and and and they just
sort of get on their phones and suddenly they're at
somebody's place doing something. So it's it's quite a different
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different third day Andy, where we meet at the pub
after meeting and organized stuff merely it's just on their phones.
Speaker 1 (27:00):
That's what I was going to ask you. How did
you have coke with social media bick in the eighties?
Speaker 6 (27:04):
You reckon, Well, I remember when I run one of
the meetings, been a life member. I get pulled in
on my wheelchair and get to run the agens and stuff.
And we sat down at the pub after meeting and
they all had their phones out and no one was
talking to each other and I said, enough of this
and look at each other a chair, But they are messaging.
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The friends said that would been organized from the meeting
and what they had to do. So you know, it's
just a different, different culture. But yeah, I do struggle
with the with the the club's got a proud history,
Endy and line. We fall cell phones and you know
that sort of stuff. And when we were the only
club to have two back to back winners in two
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thousand and three, fourth for the Michigan Fander with Robert
Keith thalling Croft, Yes we had. My father was actually
the precursor of that competition, winning the next radio competition
long before it was a televioice thing or it's not
in more obviously young family. So so we've had a
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lot of success as well before cell phones.
Speaker 1 (28:09):
Certainly a lot to celebrate the e leons. So once
again thorn of a young farmers on social media, check
it out or get in touch with yourself directly as
we able to get a few more details. Is that right?
Speaker 6 (28:20):
Absolutely, And if we want to get the numbers in,
we've got a limited whole capacity and we don't want
to see turn people away, so we definitely want to
get those mistrations. And so we know we're at we
need to make a tonative plans in.
Speaker 1 (28:33):
Good on your lamb, thanks for your time on the Muster.
Speaker 6 (28:36):
Thanks any.
Speaker 1 (28:41):
Plans were the whiskey round James, welcome back, to the muster,
Garth Brooks. It is a country Wednesday for no other
reason than Wednesday Night Country of course. This evening Cheryl
Anderson hosting things thanks to Regional Ford from seven o'clock
three hours. I've come your music. Our next guest, Matt
(29:01):
Wood Farming at Moreton Mainz. May or may not be
a fan of Garth, Good afternoon, Matt. Are you a fan?
Speaker 3 (29:08):
Ye're great and yeah I am a fan.
Speaker 7 (29:10):
Actually that song does pop up on my Spotify playlist.
Speaker 3 (29:13):
Every now and again.
Speaker 1 (29:14):
Are you more of a cantry you're a Western fan?
Would you say?
Speaker 7 (29:18):
Oh, I'd probably to be fair, I'd probably go more
country than Wistern, to be fair.
Speaker 1 (29:25):
The only two genres of music that exists for a
lot of people. But look, it's anything outside today, Matt.
How are you faring there?
Speaker 7 (29:33):
Yeah, it is a little bit fresher gains this morning, Netty.
So we've had a few snow flowries come through, and
but I know there'll be a lot more people worse
soft than.
Speaker 3 (29:40):
Us, that's for sure.
Speaker 7 (29:42):
All the words thought that we've only got fifty odd
dues left a lamb and I'll get through in the
thick of it. They copped a bit of a hiding
this morning. But but now you look around and got
those later lemons that later country, they'll be getting a
fair and hide and sort of feel for them on
day lot today because you can't really do a hell
of a lot about it, can you.
Speaker 1 (29:58):
Well, the snow flourries a morning. What do we have here?
And Gore it was crazy about Quarterpas State. We had
a hell of a snowstorm last for about ninety seconds.
Then sun came out in blue sky and probably warmed
up about seven or eight degrees just overcast at the moment.
I think it's just mother nature telling us that she's
going to give give us a kick in the ass
every now and then.
Speaker 3 (30:18):
Yeah, yeah, and.
Speaker 7 (30:19):
That's and like you think a few days ago, well
last week, how we're getting those real nice days and
get some good winds to drive everything out again, and
then yeah, get a morning like that. Well we're not
really not really turning the corner either. We just need
the heat to keep going. A like grass is slow
and were just sort of just plodding along.
Speaker 1 (30:39):
Really as far as if grass covers though, they would
have taken a check. Are you holding on not too badly?
Or things considered.
Speaker 3 (30:47):
Yeah, we're holding on. Not too bad.
Speaker 7 (30:48):
I always sort of these are a couple of weeks
just after letting a round, the tailing time where I
we even the pinch period, just trying to can I
sit stock everything, so try mobby written up for tailing
and then be bouncing using lambs around to get enough
grass in front of them all sort of Yeah, that's
sort of shifting onto not much, but they're looking at
the woodlands.
Speaker 3 (31:08):
Past pasture growth.
Speaker 7 (31:10):
We're worse off this time at the moment than we
were this time last year, and we're half of what
we were the year before. So it sort of paints
a picture of yeah, like the sun might be out,
but we're still just just slow enough really and last
year that was as bad as it's probably been.
Speaker 3 (31:27):
So yeah, sort of just need that, just need that.
Speaker 1 (31:30):
Hate really, So how would you compare it to say,
twelve twelve months ago. I'm asking quite a few people
that this week, because unfortunately it seems to be a
bit of a correlation.
Speaker 7 (31:40):
Yeah, yeah, I reckon started last week or said we
were on par with last year, and then you have
a good have a good enough week and we start
drying now and start to see the grass starts freshen up,
and then you get date like today, and I'd say
we're still beg on par with last year.
Speaker 3 (31:56):
In my opinion.
Speaker 7 (31:57):
I don't know if we've had the same death like
Lamb Death's wife. We've never had any of those, like
big long storms come through, but Jesus where like, yeah,
everything's just sitting there and anything that does have a
bit of cover on, it's all dirty grass, and it's yeah,
but a'll grow one day. I'll grow one day. Then
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we'll be sitting here wondering what the hell does with
all the.
Speaker 1 (32:19):
Grass our Southland? They will pay Interesting last week as well, Matt,
and I remember this first time, the first time I
spoke to you on the muster ractually you talked about
China and the wall situation there with the one hundred
and eighty million US in the flock there, and we
look at New Zealand and you've seemed pretty cynical about
the wall situation. But interesting times last week how the
(32:42):
South Island price update going up forty six cents, which
was they're talking about a generational wool sale.
Speaker 7 (32:50):
Yeah, promising a promise and it's good. I'm here.
Speaker 3 (32:55):
I don't know.
Speaker 7 (32:55):
I don't know if I'm cynical about the warm as
passionate as about crossbreed walls and person. You'll never see
me with the shedding sheet in my life. But it
was the one guy's opinion that sort of stuck with
me because we hold a lot of hold a lot
of weight putting a wool into China like that, and
when he's saying that there's no future for it sort
of makes you sit back and think like, are we
(33:16):
flogging a dead horse? But you get to say at
last week and God, there's nothing but promising, is it?
Speaker 3 (33:21):
Like? As long as they.
Speaker 7 (33:22):
Can sit there for all these guys that are summer
sharing yous in a few months time, and if they
can jump on that bandwagon, it'll be pretty promising, won't it.
Speaker 1 (33:30):
So what do you do, Matt? Are you a six
months man? Or do you just go twelve months for
your sharing?
Speaker 3 (33:36):
I'm eight months?
Speaker 7 (33:37):
So yeah, So my us got shorn in the start
of June, and then they'll get shorn again in March
pre tarp and then get shorn again with lembs and
foot on them. Just so I don't I don't like
them being twelve months. Well when it wall just loses
its quality and its color, and in six months here,
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I'd love to, but it's yeah, it's just tricky enough
trying to get them dry in the winter. I'd only rather,
I'd rather try to get them dry once every two
winters than trying to get them dry every winter. But
it works well out like that, getting them short at
the start of June before they go and crop here
and then they sing through winter, carry condition and you
can check. Like it's just so much easier to keep
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keeping an eye on their condition and.
Speaker 3 (34:22):
Use that seems to work. Seems to work pretty well
for me.
Speaker 1 (34:25):
Well, the next South Island sale date is on the ninth,
so what are we to the first? So towards the
end of next week, that'll be the proof in the
pudding there.
Speaker 7 (34:33):
Yeah, yeah, hopefully it's just not a blip on the
radar and it can.
Speaker 3 (34:36):
Carry on carry on like that, because sure, yeah, it
would be nice.
Speaker 7 (34:41):
It would be nice to be getting more than just
paying for a sharing. But it would be nice to
get a wee bit of cream on top, wouldn't it.
Speaker 1 (34:45):
Yeah, do you sell your eggs or are they a
buy product? To end up in around the roses in
the dead.
Speaker 7 (34:51):
They end up there's actually a big pole of them
sitting outside and they end up in the vega garden
and they end up all over the show.
Speaker 3 (34:58):
Tip them on to crop and work them in.
Speaker 7 (35:01):
And I remember as a kid going he had and
turning diggs over on the hay trailer and it was
there spear change, taking them into Tisbury there and selling
dried up eggs.
Speaker 3 (35:10):
But no, I don't have I don't have a hand
to you. They would do it for me. Now.
Speaker 1 (35:15):
You don't remember the giddy heights of plucking sheep for
pocket money?
Speaker 7 (35:19):
Yeah, I had not as a kid. I remember my
first my first job when I went up to rein fairly.
We had to pluck pluck sheet and that was like,
well was still not worth very much. I don't know whether, yeah,
why that was the case.
Speaker 3 (35:34):
But I think that.
Speaker 1 (35:37):
I think they were testing your internal fortitude matte.
Speaker 7 (35:40):
Yeah, yeah, And there's a sort of joy. You don't
you can't say no, You just gotta shribble at it.
But it's definitely you look big now and it's like,
what the hell were we up to?
Speaker 1 (35:50):
They just finally, very quickly the stags. An an interesting
thought given to me the other day, would you rather
South than stays a middle of the pack team and
they're just you know, sit ones in a year on
the verge of the quarters, Will makes the quarters then
goes out. Or would you rather a season like this?
So far they've had three wins, possibly a fourth tomorrow
night against Harbor. You win the Renfredy Shield for a week,
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but then you can see fifty points three or four
weeks in a row. It sounds like a daft dream,
but it's South and Rugby in twenty twenty five. Which
would you rather have?
Speaker 3 (36:20):
Oh, that's a very good question.
Speaker 1 (36:23):
It's a horrible question, really, yeah it is.
Speaker 7 (36:25):
Yeah, I quite like that middle of the pack. I
think I think winning games that you really should be
winning would be the key. Like that Red and Frilly
Shield that was that was an unreal performance and even
the weeks leading up to it like they're playing good
forty but now it's sass. Yeah, it's pretty hard guard.
(36:46):
Are we understand how they go against North Harbor this weekend?
And I'm sillily but angry at a Targo for not
losing the Shield against them because it would be nice
have another week challenge. But yeah, we're interested because I
reckon North Harbor will be up for it too.
Speaker 1 (37:00):
Well, you put this in your calendar for next year
stag Day because the targo's got in the gate. I
think they may have North Otago who's requested a challenge
pre season, the Heartland competition winners. But then I reckon,
we'll be game on for stag Day first round Forsyth Bar.
That'll be pressed by the heads of South and Stadium.
I'd say, yeah, oh, good good, we'll be hanging out
for that absolutely, and hopefully they might have stopped snowing
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by their Matt always good to chat mate. All the
best out there.
Speaker 3 (37:27):
Eh, no, good man, Andy, thank you for that.
Speaker 1 (37:30):
Remember Matt McCrae farms at Macharita and joins us this
afternoon on the musta Matt, Good afternoon. It's good to
see a bit of sunshine finally.
Speaker 8 (37:52):
Yeah, afternoon, Andy, it certainly is. It's been a wet
and cold last month, but it's returning your corner this morning.
Speaker 1 (38:00):
Since we spoke Lass, how things been.
Speaker 3 (38:03):
Yeah, not too bad.
Speaker 8 (38:04):
We've pretty much done a u lemming now taking an
opportunity in a dry, non windy day to get a
few week drives shut out in the way feed levels
have dropped quite significantly.
Speaker 9 (38:17):
It's just been the gross that.
Speaker 8 (38:18):
Seasn't been there, probably being a bit colder. The demand's
been slightly high, so yeah, be good to get a
few miles away.
Speaker 9 (38:26):
But yeah, it's flocking all right.
Speaker 8 (38:29):
So far we haven't tailed or anything yet, but there
seems to be a few more limbs about the Mussia,
which is a good stat.
Speaker 1 (38:36):
Matt. The Alliance groove has been all to talk this
week the road shows with the directors and Mark Win
and Willie Visa as well of course the chair and
chief executive respectively, going around the traps. I went along
to the Gore meeting. Was kind of poignant that it
was just a stormy night outside as everyone sat inside
and listened to this proposal with Dawn Meets.
Speaker 8 (38:59):
Yeah, certainly was shut up to Gore as well and
listened in. And yeah, I'm certainly telling a few calls
about it the last few days too. And yeah, there's
a lot of frustration and disappointment probably two words that
you could use about it, but I guess most sharholders
(39:20):
understand how we got here, but pretty frustrated around.
Speaker 9 (39:25):
Yeah, the deal.
Speaker 8 (39:26):
That's been presented, and yeah, the vision on the way forward.
Speaker 1 (39:30):
I suppose there seemed to be the key word there
in the room the other night, frustration. But there was
almost people resigned to the fact that if this didn't
go through, then we're next to for alliance. But you've
got a different viewpoint.
Speaker 8 (39:43):
Yeah, yeah, I do like I'm probably sitting on the
fence at the moment, but I don't see the Dawn
deal is actually providing a providing us as a long
term future, and I guess that's what I was hoping
to hear out of those roadshow meetings. But yeah, just
pumping more money and there's nothing actually structurally that was
(40:05):
going to change in terms of the way they operate
or as the industry operates, which when you yeah, we
just can't continue down the Last Men sending avenue. And
there's other companies that are struggling as well, So why
don't we actually.
Speaker 9 (40:20):
Use this opportunity as a.
Speaker 8 (40:24):
To create something better as an industry rather than just
paffing off the Last Men, Because there's probably another company
from what I hear that's not too far from being
in a similar position against Yeah, just frustrating, but the
banks are probably hiding behind the directors and what I
learned in the meetings, as I've obviously had a fair
say and how we've got to this point. So like's
(40:47):
a bit of leadership from the banking industry and maybe
all these Aussie banks are possibly behind it, but a
bit of vision from them around helping create something where
sheep and beef and can be a little bit more
positive and people can invest in it. And maybe the
everage age in that room would be a few years younger.
Speaker 1 (41:06):
But if it doesn't, no vote, is it worth thinking
about what could happen in a couple of weeks time.
Speaker 9 (41:11):
Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 8 (41:13):
I think things have changed slightly from when when they
put the steel together a few months ago, Like there
is a wee bit more in the coffers floating ground.
Speaker 9 (41:22):
But yeah, I guess i'd dislike to.
Speaker 8 (41:26):
See the director's enough and say that they wouldn't wave
the white flag at the first opportunity that actually end
the banking industry too, Like a lot of these banks
are banking chief and beef farmers, and even like the
dairy farmers.
Speaker 9 (41:41):
It's flying Carl stock in it through the industry. So yeah,
it'd probably would.
Speaker 8 (41:47):
Be disappointed if they did wave the white flag. And
it went down that way. But maybe it needs a
bigger picture approach than just alliance. And we've obviously got
a reasonable amount of money invested in them, and I
look at it either way, those shares are going to
be worth very little or nothing. So I can swallow
my pride and take that if it means that in
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ten or fifteen years we're talking about, Yeah, some decent
structural change in the industry, not just getting brought up
by their arsh.
Speaker 1 (42:18):
And the counter offer as well by the so called
way KaiA five as they have been named, talking about
voting against the door Meet's proposal but embracing an alternative
capital model proposed which they put out in a letter
to sharholders last week. Do you think that's a viable option.
Speaker 8 (42:35):
Yeah, I've pondered that Phi the Good and I have
spoke to a couple of those people that have put
it together.
Speaker 9 (42:41):
I guess it has.
Speaker 8 (42:42):
One option of a no vote, and some of it
does have merit if you look at it and a
big picture of you. But there's certainly a lot of
questions come out of it. Two And I'd like to
see some of those bigger shareholders that have probably put
some of these Farmer Direct does an front up and
(43:02):
say that they would not take their volume payments and
through that in the kiddy toos, there's got to be
some structural changes either way. Either way this goes in
my opinion, and yeah, we've got to see what those
what those actually look like, because you can't just carry
on operating the way they are. And I'd fully acknowledge
(43:23):
that they have made turned around in the last twelve
or eighty months and in making a profit, the will
is turning, but for probably smaller and medium shareholders in
younger ones slight, I'd still classify myself.
Speaker 9 (43:38):
We probably want to see more than that.
Speaker 1 (43:41):
Okay, say it's a no vote, Matt White, chance a
knight in shining armor comes striding through the door on
a stallion with another offer there to say the company.
Do you think this is realistic to think like that.
Speaker 8 (43:53):
Yeah, yeah, it's a tough one, to be fair. I'm
not confident now, but if it is a yes vote,
I think the banks and some of the previous management
get off scot free and farmers are left to swallow
the bills. Do I think that's theory? They're probably not,
(44:14):
but I guess yeah, it will come down to there's
a lot. For me, it's going to come down to
a gatfield vote, and yeah, I'm not.
Speaker 9 (44:24):
That happy with either option at the moment, to be fair.
Speaker 1 (44:26):
So when you're talking to farmers out in your neck
of the woods there down towards wonder and way, what's
the general feeling about it, Philly.
Speaker 8 (44:35):
Max I said earlier, it's mainly the frustration. There's a
few people vote have already sort of decided which way
they're going to vote, but you know, just looking for
a way bit more leadership around what the medium to
long term.
Speaker 9 (44:55):
Future looks like.
Speaker 8 (44:56):
Like I said earlier, and it's not just an alliance problem.
It's like an industry problem. When you walked into that
or walked out of that room and go a lot,
probably didn't fill you with confidence to be investing in
the industry. And that's not really what I want. I
want more of a positive industry to be part of,
(45:18):
and yeah that people want to be Yeah, I want
to be part of and make it profitable too. So yeah,
I think I think some of these other companies are
sitting back and waiting to see what is going to
happen with the liance. I'd probably challenge them to put
a better offer on the table in terms of where
(45:42):
we're heading as an industry.
Speaker 1 (45:44):
Just finally, Matte, interesting you bring that up, where we
are headed as a remat industry. Do you think this
is a chance for a bit more of a unified
approach throughout the red meat sector in New Zealand.
Speaker 9 (45:56):
I would love to see it. Am my confident that
would happen. Probably not so much. There's been plenty of
people that have tried in the past, but you.
Speaker 8 (46:05):
Can't let a crisis, a good crisis, go to waste.
Speaker 9 (46:10):
Maybe it is that's probably he needs to heaven at
a few levels above my pay grade.
Speaker 8 (46:16):
But yeah, I'm probably telling some people that are sitting
back and waiting to see where they end up.
Speaker 9 (46:23):
There'll be there may be an opportunity.
Speaker 8 (46:25):
Mister, if they don't get off the ends pretty quickly.
And I mentioned.
Speaker 1 (46:29):
And you said you want to get you d Matt
McCrae there wrapping up the best of the muster. My
name's Andy Muller. Enjoy the weekend. Hopefully the weather settles down,
as it has done for a couple of days now,
so he's seeing what the weekend brings. Enjoy it. Go.
The Abs catch you Monday,
Last night, I have the strangers a very good morning
and welcome along to the best of the Muster, a
collaboration of interviews that took our attention during your busy
week here at Hakanui HQ. My name's Andy Muller was
starting off the hour by catching up with Eric Roy,
former MP, who sees political polls that we see out
and about in the media at the moment. He reckons
in a true reflection of what's going to happen next
(00:27):
year in the general election. So Eric just says we
just need to put all this in perspective at the moment.
Bryce McKenzie, co founder at Groundsmound New Zealand, talks about
survey results that have been released regarding the Paris Accord
and from a rural viewpoint. Leon Black talking to Thornbury
Young Farmer's ninetieth celebrations which are happening in November. It
(00:48):
seems a fair way away, but it's going to come
around quicker than not. Matt Ward Farms at Morden Mains
talks about the rise of the wall price that was
seen over the last ten days at Matt mccraeb Macerda
talking about the alliance with Dawn Meats. It's been all
the talk over the last couple of weeks, especially down
here in the south of the director road show has
been that have been occurring. But Matt thinks we need
(01:09):
to be a bit more transparent, well, needs to be
more transparency from the Alliance group around what's going to
happen here. So, without further ado, we'll start the best
of the Muster with Eric Croi. Welcome back to the Muster.
(01:37):
Former MP Eric Roid joins us in our political roundup
this afternoon. Eric, good afternoon, how are you, Oh, very good.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
I'm up at Tana and she's pretty jolly wet up here,
that's sure.
Speaker 1 (01:50):
If nothing else, at least the lake there is filled
up to what it.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
Was, well it was. I've never seen it so low
at you know, at the end of August in August,
so I've never seen it as low as it was.
So hopefully we won't have to import too much more
coal from Indonesia to keep things going.
Speaker 1 (02:08):
That is a whole new, totally different subject to have
to decipher, isn't it. Why do we and why do
we get coal from Indonesia, Well.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
Because it's cheaper than our own coal. When we don't
mind children mining it. I don't know, it's non sensical. No,
i'n sensical.
Speaker 1 (02:25):
Oh. Absolutely. Look, there's quite a bit going on in
the political landscape at the moment. Talking about the polls.
It's got everything neck and neck. But is this a
true reflection of what we're seeing? Would you say?
Speaker 2 (02:35):
Oh, no, Look, I don't think so. I think what
we've got at the moment is a bit of a
process vote. To me, there seems to be just an
absolute disconnect as to why things are so slow economically
and then recovery wise, and it doesn't seem to be
any connection back to the last administration and what they did,
(02:58):
and you know, the need for the Reserve Bank to
clamp down on inflation and the impact that that said,
and how long it takes to turn the ship around
when it's not going right, And I think, yeah, firstly,
I don't really understand what the importance for poles are
so far out from an election, other than to give
(03:20):
the media something to talk about. But it's interesting that
each of the political parties do their own polling not
so much on where they sit in relation to popularity,
but what are the issues that actually concern you and
cost of living has been right up there, and that's
(03:41):
why I don't watch it every day, but occasionally if
I'm in and Question Time is on, I'll turn it
on and the opposition is question to question on what
are you doing about the cost of living?
Speaker 3 (03:54):
What are you doing about this?
Speaker 2 (03:55):
What are you doing about that? Which is why Nikola
Willis is talking about butter and various other things because
it's a national's poll and will be telling them that
is also an issue. And when the thing that will
happen as we near the elections, people will start to
look at policy rather than have just a boat in
(04:17):
the polls, which is representing their discord at the situation.
And well hopefully they'll look at well the other coalition
will include to Patty Maury and the Greens and what
portfolios will to Patty Maury have to be in the coalition,
what will the Greens have, how will the wealth tax works?
(04:39):
And all of those questions which at the moment are
being totally ignored because we're completely absorbed by the cost
of living.
Speaker 1 (04:47):
And this is where a tech politics comes into play, unfortunately.
But the fact is the coalition option on the left
is certainly not that palatable.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
Well not to me anyway.
Speaker 1 (04:58):
For a lot of people to be fair, yes, you.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
Know when you just think about where the jolly well,
who's going to have what? And what are they going
to do and what will would Labor have to give
away to form a coalition and it's pretty skewed. I
think we're in an interesting phase in politics like that.
(05:22):
There's probably at least thirty percent of the vote now
committed to New Zealand First Act, to Paddy Murray and
the Greens, So that means that Labor and National, the
two main center parties, will be fighting over seventy percent
of the vote, so they're never going to get much
over the mid thirties and the rest have be made
(05:45):
up from the other side. And you know there has
to be a bit of horse training to form a
coalition and who knows what that will bring.
Speaker 1 (05:54):
Well, Chloe small brick, flying business class. You got part
of that on social media last week. Is this a
case of hypocrisy or is just a necessarily evil for
MPs to go and do their jobs.
Speaker 2 (06:04):
There used to be a term we called chardon a
socialists or spa bath socialists, and I think you can
work out that might be exactly what happens. So yeah,
it's interesting, really really interesting that the way in people
which people conduct themselves and think that it's totally dissociated
(06:26):
from the policies that they're espousing when they get on
a podium in a hall somewhere.
Speaker 1 (06:32):
What's Peters say in New Zealand, won't recognize a Palestinian state?
Do you agree?
Speaker 2 (06:38):
Well, I can understand why I said it. You know,
I've always been of the new that the only solution
is to have two states and to give Palestine some recognition.
And I can understand why I'm saying, well, we're not
ready at the moment to do that. We don't want
to glorify a mass we need to know exactly where
(07:00):
the boundaries of this new state might be and what
that might mean. And we're recognizing now facilitate a piece deal.
Will it get the rest of the hostages back? What's
actually going on? I can understand all of the conundrums
that are around doing that, So I can understand why
(07:21):
he did that. But you know, long term, I think
there has to be two states. Plastine needs to have
their own spot and have some charity out there. There's
currently twenty three wars going on around the world. I
don't know, Burmer and Tyler being mark Thailand might have
settled down at the moment, might bring us back to
twenty two. And some of them are horrendous losses, probably
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the greatest of what would be what's happening in the
Sudan at the moment. So there's you know, there's a
lot of discontent which is happening with quite dramatic impacts
in a lot of countries right now. And well we
know about the Ukraine as well, but the Gaza one
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is uh is on air streams with.
Speaker 4 (08:08):
Great regularity, and the.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
Over reaction I think we would call it at Israel
to a war that was started by Hamas is of
great concern.
Speaker 1 (08:19):
Doctor Anna Breeman has been appointed as Governor of the
Reserve Bank.
Speaker 2 (08:23):
Yes, well that's kind of fascinating. Really their role is
an independent and their task with controlling inflation. And you know,
I think you if you wind the clock back, why
was aben Awe reappointed shortly before the election? You think
they would have delayed that wee but in the way
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that the government has delayed the new governor general thing
to be on the next election, and obviously he was
a friend of the policy. Well not obviously my view.
He was a friend of the policies of the Labor
government and the money that they were dishing out. And
he had some pretty extraordinary views about how important he
(09:07):
was and how much more money he needed to run
the show, and a whole lot of things. And so
they do have an independent role, but they also need
to be a friend of the government to understand what's
got to happen in terms of getting some growth into
the whole solution of where they are, or the equation
(09:27):
of controlling inflation. So it's been an interesting bit and
I understand there were sixteen applicants for the job, which
shows that in sort of what we think, some people
with a lot of very good qualifications put their hand up.
Speaker 1 (09:43):
Now, doctor Breman's come from Sweden, where she's been Deputy
governor of Sweden's Central Bag. Do you think perhaps she's
bringing a bit more of a neutral perspective to the role.
Speaker 2 (09:52):
Well, we'll have to wait and see.
Speaker 3 (09:55):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (09:56):
Just see, the Reserve being is independent. They're quite set
from Treasury, which gives advice to the government, and the
government relies on Trury's advice when they're sorting out what
policies will be and what the impact will be. But
every quarter we get something of a state of the
Nation's speech from the Governor of the Reserve Bank, when
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they talk about whether they're going to put the official
cash rate up or down or hold it. Whether they
have any more formal talks of the government, I simply
don't know. But they need to actually be thinking a
little bit wider than just the official cash rate and
what that might mean. And inflation. Yes, their role is
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to keep inflation under three percent between one and three
and we can't understate how important that is. Like I
can remember on one occasion in the Muldoon years where
inflation had eighteen percent and then we had to get
smps and a whole lot of things and just to
keep people viable. We don't ever want to go anywhere
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near that again.
Speaker 1 (11:00):
Doing there's a blast from the blast from the past.
Eric Roy always good to catch up.
Speaker 5 (11:04):
Right out, Good one, Welcome back to the muster.
Speaker 1 (11:15):
Bryce McKenzie is co founder of Groundswew New Zealand and
joins us this afternoon.
Speaker 4 (11:21):
Good afternoon, Bryce, afternoon, Andy and listeners.
Speaker 1 (11:25):
How's everything out there and west of Targo today. You're coping,
all right, Yeah we are.
Speaker 4 (11:30):
But it's a little bit cool Andy. I mean, last
year might have been wet, but this year certainly a
cold spring. It was after yesterday's about twenty one degrees.
It was one out of the box and now we're
back to bloom single figgers again.
Speaker 1 (11:43):
Yesterday was bonkers. It was like eighteen degrees or something
about three or four o'clock and then it just cooled
downside of raining and Gore, I don't know about six
thirty I suppose.
Speaker 4 (11:52):
Yeah, no, it was quite strange, really, but man, it
was good to have that heat through the day. You
can just out see the grass leaping out on the ground.
Speaker 1 (12:00):
Now you talk about strange, it's this whole pair of
situation which a Groundsweur perspective. I suppose you're finding strange. Bryce.
There was a survey go out to farmers recently, ninety
four percent of them saying remaining in the Paris Accord
isn't in the country's best interest. Now, over two thousand
farmers responded to this joint survey you promoted with ENSIP
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Farming and the Methane Science Accord. But how many farmers
would have received the survey.
Speaker 4 (12:26):
Ah, that's very difficult to know. Andy. I think we've
put links to it on social media so that there
would have been a lot of farmers have access to it.
But yeah, really difficult to say just how many.
Speaker 1 (12:41):
Are we just going over old retrich though, Bryce, we
seem to have been talking about this for the last
twelve to eighteen months with no real gains either way.
Speaker 4 (12:49):
Yeah, well, no, there are some gains Andy. I mean,
we've got two political parties now that are really keen
on doing something about it, So I guess that's going
to be a gain. Because we talked to that back
about February this year and at that stage they said
it wasn't on their horizon, so that was interesting that
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they said that and then what they come out with.
I mean, they've been quite firm on their thinking on
the Paris Accords. So no, there's been some great gains,
and you know, time will tell what really happens. And
it's quite in the mode of subject. I mean, we
get one or two emails from people that just think
they were destroying New Zealand if we pulled out, and
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we're not saying that there's going to be no repercussions.
I mean, when you do something politically, there's always a
repercussion or two. But if they push what is in
the agreement and might have been decided, if you don't
need targets what it could cost you, then goodness great
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as me. You know, it could cost the country billions
in the futures, costing us money already. I mean, there's
lots of places where you can see that the Paris
Accord is costing us money. All our trees and everything
is the result of trying to cut emissions in mine
with the Paris Agreement.
Speaker 1 (14:13):
Like Meetla's said, two out of three eight bad bryce,
but it's not three out of three, and unfortunately the
big one is the National Party.
Speaker 4 (14:20):
Yeah, quite right, Andy, But you know, if you're forming
a coalition then you normally have to have some trade offs.
Having two out of three could mean that there would
be some quite good trade offs going on. So let's
just see what happens. Mind you, you've got to get
those three parties as part of the next government, and
you know other things aren't just that sweet in some
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areas already. So who would know.
Speaker 1 (14:44):
Have you been in comms at all with labor, like
said Joe Luxton or the likes regarding the Paris accord.
Speaker 4 (14:51):
Ah, look, just nothing, Siah, no serious talks about it.
But I have mentioned it to Joe in one of
our conversations. But yeah, nothing too serious. I don't think
labor's interested at the stage and doing anything about it.
But however, who knows to.
Speaker 1 (15:09):
Be fair, they were still waiting for Labor to come
out with some policy regarding agriculture.
Speaker 4 (15:15):
Yeah, that's what I was implying when I said, who knows, time.
Speaker 1 (15:19):
Will tell them that one. Now trade negotiations they're runing
to pay around. This is where Todder Clay, Trade Minister overseas,
Winston Peters as well. So the arguments there. You guys
are on the ground trying to do what they can.
Speaker 4 (15:32):
Yeah, that's right, and I'm sure they are. You know,
I think Todd McClay is actually doing a pretty good
job and doing for agriculture. So I haven't really got
any bones to pack with Todd. But you know, some
of those agreements are not being held up already. The
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one with I think it's European Union. They were cut
there these on fuel as part of our agreement with them,
and they've actually put them up, so they're subsidies up,
so you know they're not they're not fulfilling the agreement anyway,
and that doesn't appear to be any penalties for not
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doing it, so what's the point in having it?
Speaker 1 (16:18):
So okay, flip the coin around. How many farmers have
been in touch saying that your narrative is wrong and
you're supporting what's going on with Paris?
Speaker 4 (16:27):
A lot, very few that they are.
Speaker 1 (16:30):
Out there though, people are out there in agreement with.
Speaker 4 (16:33):
It, though, yes, yes they definitely are, but not you know,
very very small percentage. But well that we get feedback from.
Put it that way, most of our feedback is from
people that are in favor of it. Probably they could
even be as high as thirty to one, and it's
probably even higher that are in favor of it. But
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then you only get those people that are actively interested
that give feedback. Most people don't bother. It's a bit
like doing the survey that for every question you put
in it, you get a massive drop off. I think
it's something like if you put it in an email,
about fifty percent of people open it. If you put
(17:16):
one question, then those fifty percent are likely to answer it.
If you put two questions and fifty percent of them
won't bother going on, and so it goes. The more
questions you put in, that just keeps dropping off for
quite a high percentage. So yeah, it's hard to get
people to buy.
Speaker 1 (17:32):
And so in the scheme of things, two salesand farmers
are applying was a win.
Speaker 4 (17:37):
Oh yeah, Yeah, we were pleased with that, We really were,
and you know, we had really pitched it so that
we only wanted farmers to answer it. Of course, there's
no way you can really check up on that for
the ones for all the ones against. I mean, I know,
if you're against it, you could quite likely fill it
in and say you're a farmer, and there's no way
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for us really to chance. Yeah, there's always a bit
of hit and miss on that. Andy.
Speaker 1 (18:04):
Now, also in this release, it came out that you
stipulated the National Party policy about a farming tax being
implemented by twenty thirty for the possibility of another labor
Green government being just an election away, heaven help us
a year out. So what are we actually hearing now
as far as the farming tax by the National Party.
Speaker 4 (18:24):
Oh, look, I think there's an announcement due either this week
or next week. And what we're hearing, Andy, is somewhere
between fourteen and twenty four percent charge on methane. So
who would know.
Speaker 1 (18:41):
So we're just tasting our tails on this whole subject
more or less.
Speaker 4 (18:44):
Still, Yeah, yeah, yeah, we definitely are. Yeah. Well, I
mean the government has committed to putting a charge on
a missions for farmers and they're basically committed to that,
and so they're going about and the way that they
do as politicians. Yeah, that will come out anytime soon,
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and then you'll hear everybody so well, you know, we've
only got to drop another twenty thirty and we should
do that easily. We'll get the same old wherever it
come out. Well, if that's the case, why are we
even bothering? And you wait, that's exactly the line they're
going to take. It's not going to be a problem
to do it.
Speaker 1 (19:26):
And there recent times, Bryce Bakinsie. And by the way,
every time I get an email from ground Swell, I
read it in a voice like you have at the moment.
Don't ask me whyever it comes out that way. Always
appreciate your.
Speaker 4 (19:36):
Time, tears, Andy, I'm sorry I've got in your here
that much.
Speaker 1 (19:50):
Well, ilcome back to the Muster and the Young Farmer's segment.
This afternoon's something a bit different. We are catching up
with Leon Black. He's going to fill us in on
the Thornbury Young Farmer's ninetieth which is happening in November,
which is coming around quickly, the first of October. To Morray, Leon,
good afternoon. Firstly, you'll be looking forward to seeing September
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in the mirror.
Speaker 6 (20:12):
I'd imagine absolutely, she's been a a bit of a
mind blower. Not often you say this proudly, but I've
seen over eight inches andy and that's more than enough.
Speaker 1 (20:24):
How different to last year? Would you say? The situation
is leeon. Of course, you're about ten k's out of Riverton,
aren't you.
Speaker 6 (20:29):
Yeah. We had constant rain from sort of the autumn
right through last year. In the ground conditions were pulling
all the way, but we had a much better winter
dune July August. But the rainfall for September has actually
been more and we've had some pretty horrific winds and
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good lightning and thunderstorms as well, so a bit more
intense than September, but at least we started with better
ground conditions and the dairy guy's got the calving done
and final old fashion.
Speaker 1 (21:01):
Yeah, you're reminisced about July and August. It seems like
a lifetime ago now like it does for the startup
of Thornbury Young Farmers. The ninetieth Jubilee coming up in November,
Leon and when I do this cheat every week, it
was really cool and I appreciate meet he meets some
real characters of young people coming up, but they've all
got a real dying diet in the Wolf fabric to
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make young farmers succeed.
Speaker 6 (21:24):
Yeah, it's a great organization and it's fantastic training ground
for people going through to get some skills that stock judging, debating,
how to run a meeting. You know, it's been one
of the privileges of my life to be involved with
Thunbur Young Farmers and Young Farmers in general, district, regional
and national bill too. That it just it gives you
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a good heart that there's a future in a young
farmers guys and girls. So then the ninetieth Jubilee is
coming up the fifteenth November Indian and that's not just
for the Thornber Young Farmers, it's for Thornbury country Girls
and they got a special shout out to establish Young Farmers.
Their club folded into us and Thomberly actually helps start
them up back in the day, so in espablish members
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of older welcome to come along to the fifteenth November
and we've got a pretty full itinery.
Speaker 1 (22:12):
Andy, Yeah, what's the go what's happening? I'd say to
be a couple of bees.
Speaker 2 (22:16):
To be head there could be.
Speaker 6 (22:19):
We'll kick off with the challenge. It's going to be
set up by the Thornbury farber Gate and held down
at the Thornburrea Vintage Machinery and it's going to be
a challenge that the fiber Gates set up for Nightcaps
and Thornbread to play off, which is also a long
standing rivalry we've had. And then we'll be followed by
afternoon TV and there cake cutting in sofotos and then
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we'll fall out of that part of the thorn Bury.
We're basically taken over the township for the day and
then head to the hall for dinner, speeches and then
a band and we'll see you on Sunday.
Speaker 4 (22:53):
Mate.
Speaker 1 (22:54):
What would you say the resurgence of young farmers? What
would you put it down.
Speaker 6 (22:58):
To I think it's good people. And also there's there's
some really good connections made through the Young Farmers and
the various organizations that we've had a heap of businesses,
local and national willing to help give us a hand,
to help with supper and laughing and tea and flights
for Hugh, so he's a guest speaker, Hugh Jackson. We've
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got a couple of carpetbaggers in the club. We've had
young George Dobson was remember, and he went up somebody
moved back home and so did Hugh Jackson. So they're
both coming down and speaking and and yeah, just good
people that you know. Some of them are coming up
from town to Thornbury and there's a lot of I
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guess trens you or people that come to an area
to work often on the dairy farmers or with the
eggry services business, and they still like the farming side
and they want to connect with a group of like
minded and they do.
Speaker 4 (23:53):
It's great.
Speaker 1 (23:53):
Well, it's like in a sporting sense. I supposely on
the word culture has bade around a lot, but that's
exactly what the says. And like you just said, if
you're a young person going to a new area. It's
about going and just meeting up the like minded individuals,
even if you're not involved with the agricultural sector of suppose.
Speaker 6 (24:10):
Yeah, and I mean it's some basis to the club too,
Like it's ninety years running and we've got families in
the area that have like the Michael Strings Smith Flex
Flex that are third and fourth generation going through the club,
So you've got a strong base, and then they seem
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to be very welcoming of the newbies coming in, you know,
the Georgias and the Hughes and the kids coming out
of town and the egg service, and it makes for
a great network of people.
Speaker 1 (24:42):
So what would you say your fondest memories young farmers
would have been radio friendly, the.
Speaker 6 (24:49):
Radio friendly ones. I mean, we had absolutely stunning car trolls.
I guess my formdest memory has to be going to
Woodland Young Farmers Aunts and picking up my wife and
she she was cheer of Woodlands and we managed to
stay together for almost thirty years at the moment, So
that's been probably a big achievement for young farmers.
Speaker 1 (25:11):
I'd say it's a pretty good achievement.
Speaker 6 (25:13):
Yeah, and she's managed to produce three or four Young
Farmers condetay out of that, so that's good. We got
we got one up in the Commandel Young Farmers, we've
got one in the Courier l Young Farmers and one locally,
so they're still pretty well connected. And the other ones
would be won the National Debating Trophy twice stop judging
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national levels several times. So yeah, just some real highlights.
Speaker 1 (25:40):
Yeah, I'd agree with that. When I was involved with
Balfer back in the early nineties, very similar. I mean
we were talking about names off here before that are
some noomenous with young Farmers over the years, and we've
seen a number of clubs they've turned up, they've disappeared,
although luckily likes a Balfer and Tiana now straight off
the calf they've got resurrected over the last few years
and they're going absolutely game busters for numbers. So it
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still shows that the Federation with Young Farmers as such
still as a high relevance. Yeah.
Speaker 6 (26:08):
Absolutely, and and I think probably you know there they
connected a different way now with social media, you know,
so like if people want to get tickets for this,
they can go on to the Thornbury Young Farmer's ninetieth
Jibile Facebook page in the link through the tickets, and
if they wish to not go on Facebook, they can
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call myself on two one eight five six or brook Fleet.
She's on the committee taking registrations. So those contacts are there,
and you know, but they do message a lot, they
do have their Facebook pages and and and they just
sort of get on their phones and suddenly they're at
somebody's place doing something. So it's it's quite a different
(26:54):
different third day Andy, where we meet at the pub
after meeting and organized stuff merely it's just on their phones.
Speaker 1 (27:00):
That's what I was going to ask you. How did
you have coke with social media bick in the eighties?
Speaker 6 (27:04):
You reckon, Well, I remember when I run one of
the meetings, been a life member. I get pulled in
on my wheelchair and get to run the agens and stuff.
And we sat down at the pub after meeting and
they all had their phones out and no one was
talking to each other and I said, enough of this
and look at each other a chair, But they are messaging.
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The friends said that would been organized from the meeting
and what they had to do. So you know, it's
just a different, different culture. But yeah, I do struggle
with the with the the club's got a proud history,
Endy and line. We fall cell phones and you know
that sort of stuff. And when we were the only
club to have two back to back winners in two
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thousand and three, fourth for the Michigan Fander with Robert
Keith thalling Croft, Yes we had. My father was actually
the precursor of that competition, winning the next radio competition
long before it was a televioice thing or it's not
in more obviously young family. So so we've had a
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lot of success as well before cell phones.
Speaker 1 (28:09):
Certainly a lot to celebrate the e leons. So once
again thorn of a young farmers on social media, check
it out or get in touch with yourself directly as
we able to get a few more details. Is that right?
Speaker 6 (28:20):
Absolutely, And if we want to get the numbers in,
we've got a limited whole capacity and we don't want
to see turn people away, so we definitely want to
get those mistrations. And so we know we're at we
need to make a tonative plans in.
Speaker 1 (28:33):
Good on your lamb, thanks for your time on the Muster.
Speaker 6 (28:36):
Thanks any.
Speaker 1 (28:41):
Plans were the whiskey round James, welcome back, to the muster,
Garth Brooks. It is a country Wednesday for no other
reason than Wednesday Night Country of course. This evening Cheryl
Anderson hosting things thanks to Regional Ford from seven o'clock
three hours. I've come your music. Our next guest, Matt
(29:01):
Wood Farming at Moreton Mainz. May or may not be
a fan of Garth, Good afternoon, Matt. Are you a fan?
Speaker 3 (29:08):
Ye're great and yeah I am a fan.
Speaker 7 (29:10):
Actually that song does pop up on my Spotify playlist.
Speaker 3 (29:13):
Every now and again.
Speaker 1 (29:14):
Are you more of a cantry you're a Western fan?
Would you say?
Speaker 7 (29:18):
Oh, I'd probably to be fair, I'd probably go more
country than Wistern, to be fair.
Speaker 1 (29:25):
The only two genres of music that exists for a
lot of people. But look, it's anything outside today, Matt.
How are you faring there?
Speaker 7 (29:33):
Yeah, it is a little bit fresher gains this morning, Netty.
So we've had a few snow flowries come through, and
but I know there'll be a lot more people worse
soft than.
Speaker 3 (29:40):
Us, that's for sure.
Speaker 7 (29:42):
All the words thought that we've only got fifty odd
dues left a lamb and I'll get through in the
thick of it. They copped a bit of a hiding
this morning. But but now you look around and got
those later lemons that later country, they'll be getting a
fair and hide and sort of feel for them on
day lot today because you can't really do a hell
of a lot about it, can you.
Speaker 1 (29:58):
Well, the snow flourries a morning. What do we have here?
And Gore it was crazy about Quarterpas State. We had
a hell of a snowstorm last for about ninety seconds.
Then sun came out in blue sky and probably warmed
up about seven or eight degrees just overcast at the moment.
I think it's just mother nature telling us that she's
going to give give us a kick in the ass
every now and then.
Speaker 3 (30:18):
Yeah, yeah, and.
Speaker 7 (30:19):
That's and like you think a few days ago, well
last week, how we're getting those real nice days and
get some good winds to drive everything out again, and
then yeah, get a morning like that. Well we're not
really not really turning the corner either. We just need
the heat to keep going. A like grass is slow
and were just sort of just plodding along.
Speaker 1 (30:39):
Really as far as if grass covers though, they would
have taken a check. Are you holding on not too badly?
Or things considered.
Speaker 3 (30:47):
Yeah, we're holding on. Not too bad.
Speaker 7 (30:48):
I always sort of these are a couple of weeks
just after letting a round, the tailing time where I
we even the pinch period, just trying to can I
sit stock everything, so try mobby written up for tailing
and then be bouncing using lambs around to get enough
grass in front of them all sort of Yeah, that's
sort of shifting onto not much, but they're looking at
the woodlands.
Speaker 3 (31:08):
Past pasture growth.
Speaker 7 (31:10):
We're worse off this time at the moment than we
were this time last year, and we're half of what
we were the year before. So it sort of paints
a picture of yeah, like the sun might be out,
but we're still just just slow enough really and last
year that was as bad as it's probably been.
Speaker 3 (31:27):
So yeah, sort of just need that, just need that.
Speaker 1 (31:30):
Hate really, So how would you compare it to say,
twelve twelve months ago. I'm asking quite a few people
that this week, because unfortunately it seems to be a
bit of a correlation.
Speaker 7 (31:40):
Yeah, yeah, I reckon started last week or said we
were on par with last year, and then you have
a good have a good enough week and we start
drying now and start to see the grass starts freshen up,
and then you get date like today, and I'd say
we're still beg on par with last year.
Speaker 3 (31:56):
In my opinion.
Speaker 7 (31:57):
I don't know if we've had the same death like
Lamb Death's wife. We've never had any of those, like
big long storms come through, but Jesus where like, yeah,
everything's just sitting there and anything that does have a
bit of cover on, it's all dirty grass, and it's yeah,
but a'll grow one day. I'll grow one day. Then
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we'll be sitting here wondering what the hell does with
all the.
Speaker 1 (32:19):
Grass our Southland? They will pay Interesting last week as well, Matt,
and I remember this first time, the first time I
spoke to you on the muster ractually you talked about
China and the wall situation there with the one hundred
and eighty million US in the flock there, and we
look at New Zealand and you've seemed pretty cynical about
the wall situation. But interesting times last week how the
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South Island price update going up forty six cents, which
was they're talking about a generational wool sale.
Speaker 7 (32:50):
Yeah, promising a promise and it's good. I'm here.
Speaker 3 (32:55):
I don't know.
Speaker 7 (32:55):
I don't know if I'm cynical about the warm as
passionate as about crossbreed walls and person. You'll never see
me with the shedding sheet in my life. But it
was the one guy's opinion that sort of stuck with
me because we hold a lot of hold a lot
of weight putting a wool into China like that, and
when he's saying that there's no future for it sort
of makes you sit back and think like, are we
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flogging a dead horse? But you get to say at
last week and God, there's nothing but promising, is it?
Speaker 3 (33:21):
Like? As long as they.
Speaker 7 (33:22):
Can sit there for all these guys that are summer
sharing yous in a few months time, and if they
can jump on that bandwagon, it'll be pretty promising, won't it.
Speaker 1 (33:30):
So what do you do, Matt? Are you a six
months man? Or do you just go twelve months for
your sharing?
Speaker 3 (33:36):
I'm eight months?
Speaker 7 (33:37):
So yeah, So my us got shorn in the start
of June, and then they'll get shorn again in March
pre tarp and then get shorn again with lembs and
foot on them. Just so I don't I don't like
them being twelve months. Well when it wall just loses
its quality and its color, and in six months here,
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I'd love to, but it's yeah, it's just tricky enough
trying to get them dry in the winter. I'd only rather,
I'd rather try to get them dry once every two
winters than trying to get them dry every winter. But
it works well out like that, getting them short at
the start of June before they go and crop here
and then they sing through winter, carry condition and you
can check. Like it's just so much easier to keep
(34:19):
keeping an eye on their condition and.
Speaker 3 (34:22):
Use that seems to work. Seems to work pretty well
for me.
Speaker 1 (34:25):
Well, the next South Island sale date is on the ninth,
so what are we to the first? So towards the
end of next week, that'll be the proof in the
pudding there.
Speaker 7 (34:33):
Yeah, yeah, hopefully it's just not a blip on the
radar and it can.
Speaker 3 (34:36):
Carry on carry on like that, because sure, yeah, it
would be nice.
Speaker 7 (34:41):
It would be nice to be getting more than just
paying for a sharing. But it would be nice to
get a wee bit of cream on top, wouldn't it.
Speaker 1 (34:45):
Yeah, do you sell your eggs or are they a
buy product? To end up in around the roses in
the dead.
Speaker 7 (34:51):
They end up there's actually a big pole of them
sitting outside and they end up in the vega garden
and they end up all over the show.
Speaker 3 (34:58):
Tip them on to crop and work them in.
Speaker 7 (35:01):
And I remember as a kid going he had and
turning diggs over on the hay trailer and it was
there spear change, taking them into Tisbury there and selling
dried up eggs.
Speaker 3 (35:10):
But no, I don't have I don't have a hand
to you. They would do it for me. Now.
Speaker 1 (35:15):
You don't remember the giddy heights of plucking sheep for
pocket money?
Speaker 7 (35:19):
Yeah, I had not as a kid. I remember my
first my first job when I went up to rein fairly.
We had to pluck pluck sheet and that was like,
well was still not worth very much. I don't know whether, yeah,
why that was the case.
Speaker 3 (35:34):
But I think that.
Speaker 1 (35:37):
I think they were testing your internal fortitude matte.
Speaker 7 (35:40):
Yeah, yeah, And there's a sort of joy. You don't
you can't say no, You just gotta shribble at it.
But it's definitely you look big now and it's like,
what the hell were we up to?
Speaker 1 (35:50):
They just finally, very quickly the stags. An an interesting
thought given to me the other day, would you rather
South than stays a middle of the pack team and
they're just you know, sit ones in a year on
the verge of the quarters, Will makes the quarters then
goes out. Or would you rather a season like this?
So far they've had three wins, possibly a fourth tomorrow
night against Harbor. You win the Renfredy Shield for a week,
(36:12):
but then you can see fifty points three or four
weeks in a row. It sounds like a daft dream,
but it's South and Rugby in twenty twenty five. Which
would you rather have?
Speaker 3 (36:20):
Oh, that's a very good question.
Speaker 1 (36:23):
It's a horrible question, really, yeah it is.
Speaker 7 (36:25):
Yeah, I quite like that middle of the pack. I
think I think winning games that you really should be
winning would be the key. Like that Red and Frilly
Shield that was that was an unreal performance and even
the weeks leading up to it like they're playing good
forty but now it's sass. Yeah, it's pretty hard guard.
(36:46):
Are we understand how they go against North Harbor this weekend?
And I'm sillily but angry at a Targo for not
losing the Shield against them because it would be nice
have another week challenge. But yeah, we're interested because I
reckon North Harbor will be up for it too.
Speaker 1 (37:00):
Well, you put this in your calendar for next year
stag Day because the targo's got in the gate. I
think they may have North Otago who's requested a challenge
pre season, the Heartland competition winners. But then I reckon,
we'll be game on for stag Day first round Forsyth Bar.
That'll be pressed by the heads of South and Stadium.
I'd say, yeah, oh, good good, we'll be hanging out
for that absolutely, and hopefully they might have stopped snowing
(37:22):
by their Matt always good to chat mate. All the
best out there.
Speaker 3 (37:27):
Eh, no, good man, Andy, thank you for that.
Speaker 1 (37:30):
Remember Matt McCrae farms at Macharita and joins us this
afternoon on the musta Matt, Good afternoon. It's good to
see a bit of sunshine finally.
Speaker 8 (37:52):
Yeah, afternoon, Andy, it certainly is. It's been a wet
and cold last month, but it's returning your corner this morning.
Speaker 1 (38:00):
Since we spoke Lass, how things been.
Speaker 3 (38:03):
Yeah, not too bad.
Speaker 8 (38:04):
We've pretty much done a u lemming now taking an
opportunity in a dry, non windy day to get a
few week drives shut out in the way feed levels
have dropped quite significantly.
Speaker 9 (38:17):
It's just been the gross that.
Speaker 8 (38:18):
Seasn't been there, probably being a bit colder. The demand's
been slightly high, so yeah, be good to get a
few miles away.
Speaker 9 (38:26):
But yeah, it's flocking all right.
Speaker 8 (38:29):
So far we haven't tailed or anything yet, but there
seems to be a few more limbs about the Mussia,
which is a good stat.
Speaker 1 (38:36):
Matt. The Alliance groove has been all to talk this
week the road shows with the directors and Mark Win
and Willie Visa as well of course the chair and
chief executive respectively, going around the traps. I went along
to the Gore meeting. Was kind of poignant that it
was just a stormy night outside as everyone sat inside
and listened to this proposal with Dawn Meets.
Speaker 8 (38:59):
Yeah, certainly was shut up to Gore as well and
listened in. And yeah, I'm certainly telling a few calls
about it the last few days too. And yeah, there's
a lot of frustration and disappointment probably two words that
you could use about it, but I guess most sharholders
(39:20):
understand how we got here, but pretty frustrated around.
Speaker 9 (39:25):
Yeah, the deal.
Speaker 8 (39:26):
That's been presented, and yeah, the vision on the way forward.
Speaker 1 (39:30):
I suppose there seemed to be the key word there
in the room the other night, frustration. But there was
almost people resigned to the fact that if this didn't
go through, then we're next to for alliance. But you've
got a different viewpoint.
Speaker 8 (39:43):
Yeah, yeah, I do like I'm probably sitting on the
fence at the moment, but I don't see the Dawn
deal is actually providing a providing us as a long
term future, and I guess that's what I was hoping
to hear out of those roadshow meetings. But yeah, just
pumping more money and there's nothing actually structurally that was
(40:05):
going to change in terms of the way they operate
or as the industry operates, which when you yeah, we
just can't continue down the Last Men sending avenue. And
there's other companies that are struggling as well, So why
don't we actually.
Speaker 9 (40:20):
Use this opportunity as a.
Speaker 8 (40:24):
To create something better as an industry rather than just
paffing off the Last Men, Because there's probably another company
from what I hear that's not too far from being
in a similar position against Yeah, just frustrating, but the
banks are probably hiding behind the directors and what I
learned in the meetings, as I've obviously had a fair
say and how we've got to this point. So like's
(40:47):
a bit of leadership from the banking industry and maybe
all these Aussie banks are possibly behind it, but a
bit of vision from them around helping create something where
sheep and beef and can be a little bit more
positive and people can invest in it. And maybe the
everage age in that room would be a few years younger.
Speaker 1 (41:06):
But if it doesn't, no vote, is it worth thinking
about what could happen in a couple of weeks time.
Speaker 9 (41:11):
Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 8 (41:13):
I think things have changed slightly from when when they
put the steel together a few months ago, Like there
is a wee bit more in the coffers floating ground.
Speaker 9 (41:22):
But yeah, I guess i'd dislike to.
Speaker 8 (41:26):
See the director's enough and say that they wouldn't wave
the white flag at the first opportunity that actually end
the banking industry too, Like a lot of these banks
are banking chief and beef farmers, and even like the
dairy farmers.
Speaker 9 (41:41):
It's flying Carl stock in it through the industry. So yeah,
it'd probably would.
Speaker 8 (41:47):
Be disappointed if they did wave the white flag. And
it went down that way. But maybe it needs a
bigger picture approach than just alliance. And we've obviously got
a reasonable amount of money invested in them, and I
look at it either way, those shares are going to
be worth very little or nothing. So I can swallow
my pride and take that if it means that in
(42:09):
ten or fifteen years we're talking about, Yeah, some decent
structural change in the industry, not just getting brought up
by their arsh.
Speaker 1 (42:18):
And the counter offer as well by the so called
way KaiA five as they have been named, talking about
voting against the door Meet's proposal but embracing an alternative
capital model proposed which they put out in a letter
to sharholders last week. Do you think that's a viable option.
Speaker 8 (42:35):
Yeah, I've pondered that Phi the Good and I have
spoke to a couple of those people that have put
it together.
Speaker 9 (42:41):
I guess it has.
Speaker 8 (42:42):
One option of a no vote, and some of it
does have merit if you look at it and a
big picture of you. But there's certainly a lot of
questions come out of it. Two And I'd like to
see some of those bigger shareholders that have probably put
some of these Farmer Direct does an front up and
(43:02):
say that they would not take their volume payments and
through that in the kiddy toos, there's got to be
some structural changes either way. Either way this goes in
my opinion, and yeah, we've got to see what those
what those actually look like, because you can't just carry
on operating the way they are. And I'd fully acknowledge
(43:23):
that they have made turned around in the last twelve
or eighty months and in making a profit, the will
is turning, but for probably smaller and medium shareholders in
younger ones slight, I'd still classify myself.
Speaker 9 (43:38):
We probably want to see more than that.
Speaker 1 (43:41):
Okay, say it's a no vote, Matt White, chance a
knight in shining armor comes striding through the door on
a stallion with another offer there to say the company.
Do you think this is realistic to think like that.
Speaker 8 (43:53):
Yeah, yeah, it's a tough one, to be fair. I'm
not confident now, but if it is a yes vote,
I think the banks and some of the previous management
get off scot free and farmers are left to swallow
the bills. Do I think that's theory? They're probably not,
(44:14):
but I guess yeah, it will come down to there's
a lot. For me, it's going to come down to
a gatfield vote, and yeah, I'm not.
Speaker 9 (44:24):
That happy with either option at the moment, to be fair.
Speaker 1 (44:26):
So when you're talking to farmers out in your neck
of the woods there down towards wonder and way, what's
the general feeling about it, Philly.
Speaker 8 (44:35):
Max I said earlier, it's mainly the frustration. There's a
few people vote have already sort of decided which way
they're going to vote, but you know, just looking for
a way bit more leadership around what the medium to
long term.
Speaker 9 (44:55):
Future looks like.
Speaker 8 (44:56):
Like I said earlier, and it's not just an alliance problem.
It's like an industry problem. When you walked into that
or walked out of that room and go a lot,
probably didn't fill you with confidence to be investing in
the industry. And that's not really what I want. I
want more of a positive industry to be part of,
(45:18):
and yeah that people want to be Yeah, I want
to be part of and make it profitable too. So yeah,
I think I think some of these other companies are
sitting back and waiting to see what is going to
happen with the liance. I'd probably challenge them to put
a better offer on the table in terms of where
(45:42):
we're heading as an industry.
Speaker 1 (45:44):
Just finally, Matte, interesting you bring that up, where we
are headed as a remat industry. Do you think this
is a chance for a bit more of a unified
approach throughout the red meat sector in New Zealand.
Speaker 9 (45:56):
I would love to see it. Am my confident that
would happen. Probably not so much. There's been plenty of
people that have tried in the past, but you.
Speaker 8 (46:05):
Can't let a crisis, a good crisis, go to waste.
Speaker 9 (46:10):
Maybe it is that's probably he needs to heaven at
a few levels above my pay grade.
Speaker 8 (46:16):
But yeah, I'm probably telling some people that are sitting
back and waiting to see where they end up.
Speaker 9 (46:23):
There'll be there may be an opportunity.
Speaker 8 (46:25):
Mister, if they don't get off the ends pretty quickly.
And I mentioned.
Speaker 1 (46:29):
And you said you want to get you d Matt
McCrae there wrapping up the best of the muster. My
name's Andy Muller. Enjoy the weekend. Hopefully the weather settles down,
as it has done for a couple of days now,
so he's seeing what the weekend brings. Enjoy it. Go.
The Abs catch you Monday,
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