October 5, 2025 • 8 mins
Ben Dooley thinks yes is the best option for the Alliance Group restructure proposal.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Give the.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
Masters on the farm brought to you by Southland District
Council working together for a better Southland.
Speaker 3 (00:15):
Ben Dowey Farms down near Winton, Sheep, beef and YouTube
farmer dulls. Good afternoon, how's everything?
Speaker 1 (00:22):
Ye're not too bad yourself?
Speaker 3 (00:24):
You're pretty good? Look lambing slowly getting through it for
a lot of people. Now hoggets are kicking into gear.
How are you going?
Speaker 1 (00:31):
Yeah, just just got what have we got on? Six
pernocs of curiously to shut out? So maybe a couple
or three hundred sheep there to go through, get the
last of them out, and then we'll sort up the
with drawers from the late Landers, try and get them
as wrong as we can and hopefully get some sold.
And yeah, probably down to sixty or eighty yuslest to
(00:52):
lamb now, sir. Yeah, we're pretty much through.
Speaker 3 (00:55):
How's your drop looking all things considered?
Speaker 1 (00:58):
Yeah, I'm not one to count the check for their hitch.
I'll just say it looks. It looks reasonably good. It
should be better than last year, which surely to how
Murphy can't beat me on that.
Speaker 3 (01:07):
Yeah, Murphy's just been hanging around for a weave it
too long unfortunately.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
Yeah, one of these days someone's going to catch up
with them.
Speaker 3 (01:13):
Now, what would you do with Murphy? What would you
want to say to them?
Speaker 1 (01:16):
I can't say that on air, Andy or one up
in jail.
Speaker 3 (01:19):
No treat to work or anything being done. I actually
know I send on your socials last week. You have
had the iron horse and the paddock for a couple
of days.
Speaker 1 (01:26):
Yeah, I got seventheener eighty and hit the is ripped
up before we started lemming. And that was good because
it's it's you know, drives out quick now and when
it does, you can get in and do it. Got
to weave it a just the bits that were a
bit steeped to grab or got them dissed up the
other night and one pettic makes you tilled. And yeah,
then it rained again. So not looking promising for the
(01:46):
next week or so to get much done. We won't
be getting any seed in the ground in a hurry,
I don't think. But it's one of those things that
you just you can't change the weather there, so yeah,
just do it when you can.
Speaker 3 (01:56):
So when's tailing?
Speaker 1 (01:58):
Yeah with these two as they do, just going a
bit later. I'm sort of hoping to hold off to
the faint the least, but we'll to see what the
contractor says. Sort of at the emercy if you'd degree,
they've got a hell of a job to get done
and you don't want to have three four to hol
lambs and a wet pin of bloody of a whet
lamp pin. But at the same time you've got to
work with him a fair bit, so we'll see when
(02:19):
it happens.
Speaker 3 (02:20):
Have you ever been at the stage you've had to
put straw hay down on the pin.
Speaker 1 (02:24):
No, we've come close a couple of times, and their
guys are actually pretty good, you know. Like I say,
you're always conscious with the contractors that they've got to
keep going, but their guys are pretty good at saying no,
I think we want to stop now. So yeah, we've
never we've never had any issues in the past. We've
been close, but no, they just pull in dolls.
Speaker 3 (02:44):
You've been pretty proactive around us. The Alliance proposal of
door meets. We touched a little Jeff Grant before, but
you're adamant this has to go through.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
Yeah. Look, if we believe what the two guys at
the top are saying, this money has to be paid
back by the nineteenth of December. We could talk all
day about whether that's right or wrong, but honestly, I
don't think any of us are as qualified as those
two ard to make that call. They're the ones that
are working with the banks now. If that time comes
(03:15):
and the money hasn't been paid, we don't know what's
going to happen for sure, but there is a reasonable
chance that the receivers are going to come in. And
I just asked a question of everybody out there. I'm
lucky enough to have spoken to the previous generation about
the things when Full Techs went under, and you know,
when space was incredibly tight. I don't know how the
(03:38):
South Island kill fears. If people won't send stock to Alliance,
and if the threat of receivership is hanging over the head,
I don't think I'd be confident to do it. So
on that alone, I'm voting yes. But at the same time,
it's not a particularly great deal. But it's a pretty
bad situation all round. Yeah. I do see potential merits
(04:02):
to come from this deal if it goes through, but
I also see a hell of a lot of risk
if we don't know so.
Speaker 3 (04:08):
You can see what you talked about to throw back
to the four texclosure back in there, was it ninety
three or ninety four? I think it was. Do you
think these kind of correlations there?
Speaker 1 (04:19):
Well, I mean, bearing in mind I was born at
eighty nine, so I certainly don't remember it the South.
Like I say, it's recollections from the previous generation. But yeah,
if we lose Lawnville, which is entirely plausible, if Alliance
goes under the hammer, we have an overcapacity issue in
the industry, There's no doubt about that. But if we
take out a play a lot Lawnville that just has
(04:39):
such huge capacity, are we going too far in that?
And at the same time, the other plants that would
likely be picked up by other players, is that going
to happen fast enough to give people assurance that they
would be safe sending lambs in, Because yes, I do
see it potentially playing out where either people won't send
stock to those plants, or people wind up eating stock
(05:00):
to those plants, and then not a high chance of
it happening, but either not getting paid or not getting
paid until the receivers have gone and actually gone through
everything and sorted everything out, which could be weeks, could
be months, could be never. So yeah, from that point alone,
I say we've got a vout use and I ultimately
it's up to everyone how they vote. But that is
my view.
Speaker 3 (05:20):
Have you heard of many farmers flip flopping those as
far as how are you going to look at those vote?
Speaker 1 (05:25):
I haven't actually heard anybody really change their view. People
are either pretty for it or pretty against it. Yeah,
it's yeah, people are pretty passionate about it either.
Speaker 3 (05:35):
Way, but not understandably so, I mean there's a lot
of stake when you think about it. You've got to
be passionate about this surely.
Speaker 1 (05:42):
Oh absolutely. And don't get me wrong, I can see
ten years down the track a group of farmers, possibly
myself included, trying to start up another co op if
this doesn't go to plan. But right here and now,
we've just got to work with what we've got. And yeah,
I think the best things are us vote. But yeah,
I just don't see anybody changing their mind with any
new information that's come to So.
Speaker 3 (06:04):
I ben, from what you've seen, what are the biggest
risks associated with this so called merger?
Speaker 1 (06:10):
Risks with the merger? I don't see a lot of
risks with the merger. I mean one risk is that
obviously profits sixty five percent of profits have to go
to Dawn meets. There is definitely you know that there
is money that we're not going to be getting. But
at the same time, if farmers aren't willing to put
the money in, and let's be real about this, they tried. Yes,
it was difficult times, but ultimately, well we're heading into
(06:33):
a season where prices are looking really good, it's still
reasonably difficult times out there. People have accrued up a
lot of bills where you haven't spent money on things
they need to in the previous three four five years
that needs to be caught up on. So well, there
might be a bit of money coming in, I don't
see there being a hell of a lot left at
the end of the season. Is it still is at
(06:54):
the time to be calling for money yet? And with
the banks pushing things so hard, are we going to
get the opportunity to put that money in?
Speaker 3 (07:02):
I don't think we are, And especially with interest rates
the way they've been over the last eighteen twenty four months, farmers,
especially the smaller scale farmers, are just starting to bounce
back on their feet to it. Agree, But you're just
going to look at the bigger picture, I suppose, and
just fortify your business first and foremost.
Speaker 1 (07:19):
Yeah, that's it. And another thing on that that's with us.
We are pretty much of the opinion that, ever it's
a no vote, we will have to find somewhere else
to send our lambs this year. So I would sroduced
to be a lot of other people saying that as well. So, yeah,
just something hals to be mindful of.
Speaker 3 (07:36):
Do you know if any farmers who have actually been
proactive and looked at that and gone to other meat
companies saying are you happy to be a plan B?
Speaker 1 (07:43):
I haven't been speaking to anyone that has. It's probably
not the kind of thing that you would talk too
much about if you were doing that right now anyway,
because if it does get ugly, where's the capacity to
kill all these lambs going to be? Like the other
companies have been quite open that they're not taking a
whole lot of people on. Yeah, but no, I haven't
haven't spoken to anyone that seed there. But like I said,
(08:05):
it's the kind of thing you'd probably kicked yourself anyway.
Speaker 3 (08:07):
Dooley always appreciate your time that good on you mate,
beIN Dooley of Wyndham. You're listening to the Master at
Next just down the road here from HAKINGU the h Q.
Actually we're going to catch up with saying your Senior
Sergeant Gary Yllington know the good police
Give the.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
Masters on the farm brought to you by Southland District
Council working together for a better Southland.
Speaker 3 (00:15):
Ben Dowey Farms down near Winton, Sheep, beef and YouTube
farmer dulls. Good afternoon, how's everything?
Speaker 1 (00:22):
Ye're not too bad yourself?
Speaker 3 (00:24):
You're pretty good? Look lambing slowly getting through it for
a lot of people. Now hoggets are kicking into gear.
How are you going?
Speaker 1 (00:31):
Yeah, just just got what have we got on? Six
pernocs of curiously to shut out? So maybe a couple
or three hundred sheep there to go through, get the
last of them out, and then we'll sort up the
with drawers from the late Landers, try and get them
as wrong as we can and hopefully get some sold.
And yeah, probably down to sixty or eighty yuslest to
(00:52):
lamb now, sir. Yeah, we're pretty much through.
Speaker 3 (00:55):
How's your drop looking all things considered?
Speaker 1 (00:58):
Yeah, I'm not one to count the check for their hitch.
I'll just say it looks. It looks reasonably good. It
should be better than last year, which surely to how
Murphy can't beat me on that.
Speaker 3 (01:07):
Yeah, Murphy's just been hanging around for a weave it
too long unfortunately.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
Yeah, one of these days someone's going to catch up
with them.
Speaker 3 (01:13):
Now, what would you do with Murphy? What would you
want to say to them?
Speaker 1 (01:16):
I can't say that on air, Andy or one up
in jail.
Speaker 3 (01:19):
No treat to work or anything being done. I actually
know I send on your socials last week. You have
had the iron horse and the paddock for a couple
of days.
Speaker 1 (01:26):
Yeah, I got seventheener eighty and hit the is ripped
up before we started lemming. And that was good because
it's it's you know, drives out quick now and when
it does, you can get in and do it. Got
to weave it a just the bits that were a
bit steeped to grab or got them dissed up the
other night and one pettic makes you tilled. And yeah,
then it rained again. So not looking promising for the
(01:46):
next week or so to get much done. We won't
be getting any seed in the ground in a hurry,
I don't think. But it's one of those things that
you just you can't change the weather there, so yeah,
just do it when you can.
Speaker 3 (01:56):
So when's tailing?
Speaker 1 (01:58):
Yeah with these two as they do, just going a
bit later. I'm sort of hoping to hold off to
the faint the least, but we'll to see what the
contractor says. Sort of at the emercy if you'd degree,
they've got a hell of a job to get done
and you don't want to have three four to hol
lambs and a wet pin of bloody of a whet
lamp pin. But at the same time you've got to
work with him a fair bit, so we'll see when
(02:19):
it happens.
Speaker 3 (02:20):
Have you ever been at the stage you've had to
put straw hay down on the pin.
Speaker 1 (02:24):
No, we've come close a couple of times, and their
guys are actually pretty good, you know. Like I say,
you're always conscious with the contractors that they've got to
keep going, but their guys are pretty good at saying no,
I think we want to stop now. So yeah, we've
never we've never had any issues in the past. We've
been close, but no, they just pull in dolls.
Speaker 3 (02:44):
You've been pretty proactive around us. The Alliance proposal of
door meets. We touched a little Jeff Grant before, but
you're adamant this has to go through.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
Yeah. Look, if we believe what the two guys at
the top are saying, this money has to be paid
back by the nineteenth of December. We could talk all
day about whether that's right or wrong, but honestly, I
don't think any of us are as qualified as those
two ard to make that call. They're the ones that
are working with the banks now. If that time comes
(03:15):
and the money hasn't been paid, we don't know what's
going to happen for sure, but there is a reasonable
chance that the receivers are going to come in. And
I just asked a question of everybody out there. I'm
lucky enough to have spoken to the previous generation about
the things when Full Techs went under, and you know,
when space was incredibly tight. I don't know how the
(03:38):
South Island kill fears. If people won't send stock to Alliance,
and if the threat of receivership is hanging over the head,
I don't think I'd be confident to do it. So
on that alone, I'm voting yes. But at the same time,
it's not a particularly great deal. But it's a pretty
bad situation all round. Yeah. I do see potential merits
(04:02):
to come from this deal if it goes through, but
I also see a hell of a lot of risk
if we don't know so.
Speaker 3 (04:08):
You can see what you talked about to throw back
to the four texclosure back in there, was it ninety
three or ninety four? I think it was. Do you
think these kind of correlations there?
Speaker 1 (04:19):
Well, I mean, bearing in mind I was born at
eighty nine, so I certainly don't remember it the South.
Like I say, it's recollections from the previous generation. But yeah,
if we lose Lawnville, which is entirely plausible, if Alliance
goes under the hammer, we have an overcapacity issue in
the industry, There's no doubt about that. But if we
take out a play a lot Lawnville that just has
(04:39):
such huge capacity, are we going too far in that?
And at the same time, the other plants that would
likely be picked up by other players, is that going
to happen fast enough to give people assurance that they
would be safe sending lambs in, Because yes, I do
see it potentially playing out where either people won't send
stock to those plants, or people wind up eating stock
(05:00):
to those plants, and then not a high chance of
it happening, but either not getting paid or not getting
paid until the receivers have gone and actually gone through
everything and sorted everything out, which could be weeks, could
be months, could be never. So yeah, from that point alone,
I say we've got a vout use and I ultimately
it's up to everyone how they vote. But that is
my view.
Speaker 3 (05:20):
Have you heard of many farmers flip flopping those as
far as how are you going to look at those vote?
Speaker 1 (05:25):
I haven't actually heard anybody really change their view. People
are either pretty for it or pretty against it. Yeah,
it's yeah, people are pretty passionate about it either.
Speaker 3 (05:35):
Way, but not understandably so, I mean there's a lot
of stake when you think about it. You've got to
be passionate about this surely.
Speaker 1 (05:42):
Oh absolutely. And don't get me wrong, I can see
ten years down the track a group of farmers, possibly
myself included, trying to start up another co op if
this doesn't go to plan. But right here and now,
we've just got to work with what we've got. And yeah,
I think the best things are us vote. But yeah,
I just don't see anybody changing their mind with any
new information that's come to So.
Speaker 3 (06:04):
I ben, from what you've seen, what are the biggest
risks associated with this so called merger?
Speaker 1 (06:10):
Risks with the merger? I don't see a lot of
risks with the merger. I mean one risk is that
obviously profits sixty five percent of profits have to go
to Dawn meets. There is definitely you know that there
is money that we're not going to be getting. But
at the same time, if farmers aren't willing to put
the money in, and let's be real about this, they tried. Yes,
it was difficult times, but ultimately, well we're heading into
(06:33):
a season where prices are looking really good, it's still
reasonably difficult times out there. People have accrued up a
lot of bills where you haven't spent money on things
they need to in the previous three four five years
that needs to be caught up on. So well, there
might be a bit of money coming in, I don't
see there being a hell of a lot left at
the end of the season. Is it still is at
(06:54):
the time to be calling for money yet? And with
the banks pushing things so hard, are we going to
get the opportunity to put that money in?
Speaker 3 (07:02):
I don't think we are, And especially with interest rates
the way they've been over the last eighteen twenty four months, farmers,
especially the smaller scale farmers, are just starting to bounce
back on their feet to it. Agree, But you're just
going to look at the bigger picture, I suppose, and
just fortify your business first and foremost.
Speaker 1 (07:19):
Yeah, that's it. And another thing on that that's with us.
We are pretty much of the opinion that, ever it's
a no vote, we will have to find somewhere else
to send our lambs this year. So I would sroduced
to be a lot of other people saying that as well. So, yeah,
just something hals to be mindful of.
Speaker 3 (07:36):
Do you know if any farmers who have actually been
proactive and looked at that and gone to other meat
companies saying are you happy to be a plan B?
Speaker 1 (07:43):
I haven't been speaking to anyone that has. It's probably
not the kind of thing that you would talk too
much about if you were doing that right now anyway,
because if it does get ugly, where's the capacity to
kill all these lambs going to be? Like the other
companies have been quite open that they're not taking a
whole lot of people on. Yeah, but no, I haven't
haven't spoken to anyone that seed there. But like I said,
(08:05):
it's the kind of thing you'd probably kicked yourself anyway.
Speaker 3 (08:07):
Dooley always appreciate your time that good on you mate,
beIN Dooley of Wyndham. You're listening to the Master at
Next just down the road here from HAKINGU the h Q.
Actually we're going to catch up with saying your Senior
Sergeant Gary Yllington know the good police
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