November 23, 2025 • 8 mins
Paul Miller reflects on the Kiwi international rugby year which came to its conclusion yesterday.
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Speaker 1 (00:05):
Welcome back to the Muster before we catch up with
Paul Miller.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
The Muster Events Diary brought to you by Beef and
lamb New Zealand.
Speaker 1 (00:12):
Click beeflamendz dot com beefro lam New Zealand's latest where
Wise workshop for milk to meet. This happening this Thursday,
November the twenty seventh at the Gore Golf Club on
Terry Road. Beeflaminzed dot com. Slash Events to register. Paul Miller.
Good afternoon, House things.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
Afternoon, Andy, I'm not too bad, just another bad Monday
up here in Dunedin.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
Yeah, as we slowly but surely get towards the Christmas season,
which means rugby is over and done with the ILLBX.
They got the win over Wales yesterday. But there was expected, right, Yeah, I.
Speaker 3 (00:45):
Definitely was expected.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
But it was also pleasing to see some of the
players who probably had limited game time they were able
to sort of get out and have a bit of
a run and stretch of your legs, talking about likes
to do policed Careffe Wallace to Titi and the young
and the wei halfback there called Ratama. So yes, it
was a kind of a game that was expected to win,
but there's also chances for Scott Robinson to play these
(01:07):
sort of you know, the second tier players. I mean, man,
you want to call Anton Lennard Brown a second tier
but you know he's off on a sabbatical next year.
But it just sort of gave that whole sort of
a squad a run. And what's also exciting was the
All Black fifteen as well were being able to tour
over in Europe too, So yes, the depth is going
to be tested, but obviously I think we're okay.
Speaker 3 (01:26):
We're pretty healthy at the moment.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
So how would you rate the All Blacks season overall?
Ten wins, three losses, but those three losses are pretty telling.
Argentina away for the first time. They got destroyed by
the Box in Wellington and they did it front against
England at Twickenham.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
The All Blacks always carried that expectation of the you know,
of a performance performance but also winning at the same time. Key,
we don't like the All Blacks when they lose, and
obviously the knives come out. However, we've got to understand that,
you know, there are combinations that need to be sort
of you know, given a chance, and obviously with the
(02:07):
depth that we've got and I'm pretty sure that Scott
Robinson is looking forward to the World Cup in a
couple of years time. So this squad, along with the
All Black fifteen, I think there is some making sen
it's just trying to iron out a few of these positions.
And you know, I am disappointed, you know obviously of
those losses as well, but we're probably missing an exceptional
(02:29):
kind of big blockbusting ball runner.
Speaker 3 (02:31):
And it's just South Africa.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
You know, those guys are mountain men and you know
for us to compete in that level, and I think
that's also comes.
Speaker 3 (02:39):
Back also with Super Rugby.
Speaker 2 (02:41):
How South Africa once they left their competition, I don't
think the Super Rugby standards at their level was what
it was.
Speaker 1 (02:49):
Yeah, that's a fair observation. Eliot Smith said exactly the
same last week OG after the loss of twicking them.
But we looked at the position of number ten Richie
Mulwanga coming back next year. Scott Robertson's got all his
zs in the one basket, or so it seems. What
happens if this doesn't.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
Work out with with Richie Mwanga, I think he could
probably slot in there, but it's also detrimental for what
are you going to do with Damian McKenzie and Bowden Barrett.
I mean, I think that the likes of Reuben Love,
he took his chance against Wales. Albeit against Wales, however,
you know that he's definitely an option. And now you've
got these competitive aspects with these key positions. And you know,
(03:29):
Boden Barrett he probably didn't have the best poor England.
He was a bit he's quite waeful, made you know,
quite a few unknown mistakes with Bowden Barrett, so you know.
Speaker 3 (03:38):
He'll certainly feel that pressure.
Speaker 2 (03:40):
And Dame McKenzie you know that that door was sort
of open for him, but now he's got Richie Munger
knocking on that door again.
Speaker 3 (03:48):
So you know it will either make or break these players.
Speaker 2 (03:51):
I mean, that's what competition's about, and these players know
how to obviously they have to stand up.
Speaker 1 (03:57):
Are you concerned about the changes to the l Lex
coach personnel you.
Speaker 2 (04:02):
Mean talking to Jason Holland leaving, yes, yes, you know
we're not inside that coaching camp. We don't exactly know
what's specifically going on for however, is obviously some sort
of you know unwillingness or unhappiness. They're from they coaches,
And obviously it started with Liam McDonald. Let's let's be honest.
(04:25):
Obviously him and Scott Robinson obviously didn't.
Speaker 3 (04:27):
See eye to eye.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
But yeah, there's probably kind of a an aspect there
from Raiser or from Scott Robertson. That's you know, sometimes
what he says some other coaches don't.
Speaker 3 (04:39):
Agree, and that's that's part of it. That's part of.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
Having these you know, exceptional coaching panels, and you know
you've all sort of got to get off.
Speaker 3 (04:47):
You can't.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
If you can't, then it's probably not your time in
the in the coaching area.
Speaker 1 (04:52):
When we look at the positives, we look at half back,
we look at the emergence of Holland and Lord has
lucks this year and we're two years out from next
raby A Cup. How would you say we're tricking overall?
Speaker 2 (05:03):
I think we're okay, we're probably not, probably not one
hundred percent say that we're definitely in the running. But
you know, you look at the lights of Simon Park,
I mean we don't really you don't really tend to
hear his name. However, he does get through a lot
of work, and you know, I'm always a big believer
also with Christian Leo Willy too, and I mean it's
(05:23):
unfortunately he didn't get a game in the weekend, but
you mentioned those names as well. But look, it's all
all a growth and you know, I think we've got
to be excited this all Black fifteen team. We don't
tend to say too much, but there's some hell of
a good players in there. And you know, our homeboy there,
Jack Taylor, He's definitely one to watch as well to
(05:44):
come in here. So putting pressure on obviously Sammersonian Cody
and Cody Taylor and the likes. So but I think
definitely there is some good resource in Fabian. What our
standing season he's had. He's such the he's such exceptional
professional he is.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
Now we're look you head to super rugby a Silouis
Wholaway yoga. But we can't help they just have a
little peak through that door. The Highlanders though, they seem
to have got a pretty good squad together, especially with
the Tiger going so well in the MPC. I would
like to think, so yeah, that's.
Speaker 2 (06:16):
That's fundamental the likes of what used to happen in
the old times. Absolutely, I was playing. You know, you
know your provincial team was successful.
Speaker 3 (06:23):
It's sort of bode well for the super rugby side.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
Hencey and obviously Tigo, and you sprinkle in a few
of these stags in there, so you know, it's exciting.
And I think on the back end of the Targo
season this year, it's definitely going to be one to
watch for the Holanders. They're getting together today, so no
doubt Jamie Jason is going to run run the arts
off most of them, all of them, i'd say, and
they're going to get into their work.
Speaker 3 (06:45):
But look at the exciting.
Speaker 2 (06:46):
Times and obviously there were some growth from a few
young guys, Fabian Holland again coming back into it, but
like a really good foundation there, and you'll see the
likes of Ta Tava Nawey coming back here as an
exceptional player. Hopefully gets more of a crack next season.
But all eyes will be on the on the screens
or in the stadium on the thirteenth of.
Speaker 3 (07:05):
February there against the Crusaders. So looking forward to it.
Speaker 1 (07:08):
Yeah, absolutely, And Jamie Joseph's infamous preseason trainings are they
as bad as what they say I've heard.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
A few inclines from few of the backs, especially they
get raped into the old Ford play there and it's
it's nothing but physical and tedious. And you know they
need that nowadays because you don't get too much of
it in the competition. So your preseason is probably what
we used to have back in the day. It's a
lot of collisions and getting the body used to what's
(07:39):
going to be expected in the Super Rugby season.
Speaker 1 (07:42):
Paul Miller always appreciated your time on the Muster. You
enjoy the afternoon mate, Thanks Andy. Pleasure laugh out loud
with ad Proud because life on the land can be
a laughing matter. Brought to us by sheer Well Data.
It's working to help the livestock. Smoking will kill you,
(08:02):
Bacon will kill you, and yet smoking bacon will cure it.
There's a chuckle for a Monday afternoon. Thanks to your company.
I mean he knewer. This has been the Muster on
Hock and Newlie thanks to Peter Genetics podcast going up shortly.
Enjoy the afternoon, Sere tomorrow
Welcome back to the Muster before we catch up with
Paul Miller.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
The Muster Events Diary brought to you by Beef and
lamb New Zealand.
Speaker 1 (00:12):
Click beeflamendz dot com beefro lam New Zealand's latest where
Wise workshop for milk to meet. This happening this Thursday,
November the twenty seventh at the Gore Golf Club on
Terry Road. Beeflaminzed dot com. Slash Events to register. Paul Miller.
Good afternoon, House things.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
Afternoon, Andy, I'm not too bad, just another bad Monday
up here in Dunedin.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
Yeah, as we slowly but surely get towards the Christmas season,
which means rugby is over and done with the ILLBX.
They got the win over Wales yesterday. But there was expected, right, Yeah, I.
Speaker 3 (00:45):
Definitely was expected.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
But it was also pleasing to see some of the
players who probably had limited game time they were able
to sort of get out and have a bit of
a run and stretch of your legs, talking about likes
to do policed Careffe Wallace to Titi and the young
and the wei halfback there called Ratama. So yes, it
was a kind of a game that was expected to win,
but there's also chances for Scott Robinson to play these
(01:07):
sort of you know, the second tier players. I mean, man,
you want to call Anton Lennard Brown a second tier
but you know he's off on a sabbatical next year.
But it just sort of gave that whole sort of
a squad a run. And what's also exciting was the
All Black fifteen as well were being able to tour
over in Europe too, So yes, the depth is going
to be tested, but obviously I think we're okay.
Speaker 3 (01:26):
We're pretty healthy at the moment.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
So how would you rate the All Blacks season overall?
Ten wins, three losses, but those three losses are pretty telling.
Argentina away for the first time. They got destroyed by
the Box in Wellington and they did it front against
England at Twickenham.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
The All Blacks always carried that expectation of the you know,
of a performance performance but also winning at the same time. Key,
we don't like the All Blacks when they lose, and
obviously the knives come out. However, we've got to understand that,
you know, there are combinations that need to be sort
of you know, given a chance, and obviously with the
(02:07):
depth that we've got and I'm pretty sure that Scott
Robinson is looking forward to the World Cup in a
couple of years time. So this squad, along with the
All Black fifteen, I think there is some making sen
it's just trying to iron out a few of these positions.
And you know, I am disappointed, you know obviously of
those losses as well, but we're probably missing an exceptional
(02:29):
kind of big blockbusting ball runner.
Speaker 3 (02:31):
And it's just South Africa.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
You know, those guys are mountain men and you know
for us to compete in that level, and I think
that's also comes.
Speaker 3 (02:39):
Back also with Super Rugby.
Speaker 2 (02:41):
How South Africa once they left their competition, I don't
think the Super Rugby standards at their level was what
it was.
Speaker 1 (02:49):
Yeah, that's a fair observation. Eliot Smith said exactly the
same last week OG after the loss of twicking them.
But we looked at the position of number ten Richie
Mulwanga coming back next year. Scott Robertson's got all his
zs in the one basket, or so it seems. What
happens if this doesn't.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
Work out with with Richie Mwanga, I think he could
probably slot in there, but it's also detrimental for what
are you going to do with Damian McKenzie and Bowden Barrett.
I mean, I think that the likes of Reuben Love,
he took his chance against Wales. Albeit against Wales, however,
you know that he's definitely an option. And now you've
got these competitive aspects with these key positions. And you know,
(03:29):
Boden Barrett he probably didn't have the best poor England.
He was a bit he's quite waeful, made you know,
quite a few unknown mistakes with Bowden Barrett, so you know.
Speaker 3 (03:38):
He'll certainly feel that pressure.
Speaker 2 (03:40):
And Dame McKenzie you know that that door was sort
of open for him, but now he's got Richie Munger
knocking on that door again.
Speaker 3 (03:48):
So you know it will either make or break these players.
Speaker 2 (03:51):
I mean, that's what competition's about, and these players know
how to obviously they have to stand up.
Speaker 1 (03:57):
Are you concerned about the changes to the l Lex
coach personnel you.
Speaker 2 (04:02):
Mean talking to Jason Holland leaving, yes, yes, you know
we're not inside that coaching camp. We don't exactly know
what's specifically going on for however, is obviously some sort
of you know unwillingness or unhappiness. They're from they coaches,
And obviously it started with Liam McDonald. Let's let's be honest.
(04:25):
Obviously him and Scott Robinson obviously didn't.
Speaker 3 (04:27):
See eye to eye.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
But yeah, there's probably kind of a an aspect there
from Raiser or from Scott Robertson. That's you know, sometimes
what he says some other coaches don't.
Speaker 3 (04:39):
Agree, and that's that's part of it. That's part of.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
Having these you know, exceptional coaching panels, and you know
you've all sort of got to get off.
Speaker 3 (04:47):
You can't.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
If you can't, then it's probably not your time in
the in the coaching area.
Speaker 1 (04:52):
When we look at the positives, we look at half back,
we look at the emergence of Holland and Lord has
lucks this year and we're two years out from next
raby A Cup. How would you say we're tricking overall?
Speaker 2 (05:03):
I think we're okay, we're probably not, probably not one
hundred percent say that we're definitely in the running. But
you know, you look at the lights of Simon Park,
I mean we don't really you don't really tend to
hear his name. However, he does get through a lot
of work, and you know, I'm always a big believer
also with Christian Leo Willy too, and I mean it's
(05:23):
unfortunately he didn't get a game in the weekend, but
you mentioned those names as well. But look, it's all
all a growth and you know, I think we've got
to be excited this all Black fifteen team. We don't
tend to say too much, but there's some hell of
a good players in there. And you know, our homeboy there,
Jack Taylor, He's definitely one to watch as well to
(05:44):
come in here. So putting pressure on obviously Sammersonian Cody
and Cody Taylor and the likes. So but I think
definitely there is some good resource in Fabian. What our
standing season he's had. He's such the he's such exceptional
professional he is.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
Now we're look you head to super rugby a Silouis
Wholaway yoga. But we can't help they just have a
little peak through that door. The Highlanders though, they seem
to have got a pretty good squad together, especially with
the Tiger going so well in the MPC. I would
like to think, so yeah, that's.
Speaker 2 (06:16):
That's fundamental the likes of what used to happen in
the old times. Absolutely, I was playing. You know, you
know your provincial team was successful.
Speaker 3 (06:23):
It's sort of bode well for the super rugby side.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
Hencey and obviously Tigo, and you sprinkle in a few
of these stags in there, so you know, it's exciting.
And I think on the back end of the Targo
season this year, it's definitely going to be one to
watch for the Holanders. They're getting together today, so no
doubt Jamie Jason is going to run run the arts
off most of them, all of them, i'd say, and
they're going to get into their work.
Speaker 3 (06:45):
But look at the exciting.
Speaker 2 (06:46):
Times and obviously there were some growth from a few
young guys, Fabian Holland again coming back into it, but
like a really good foundation there, and you'll see the
likes of Ta Tava Nawey coming back here as an
exceptional player. Hopefully gets more of a crack next season.
But all eyes will be on the on the screens
or in the stadium on the thirteenth of.
Speaker 3 (07:05):
February there against the Crusaders. So looking forward to it.
Speaker 1 (07:08):
Yeah, absolutely, And Jamie Joseph's infamous preseason trainings are they
as bad as what they say I've heard.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
A few inclines from few of the backs, especially they
get raped into the old Ford play there and it's
it's nothing but physical and tedious. And you know they
need that nowadays because you don't get too much of
it in the competition. So your preseason is probably what
we used to have back in the day. It's a
lot of collisions and getting the body used to what's
(07:39):
going to be expected in the Super Rugby season.
Speaker 1 (07:42):
Paul Miller always appreciated your time on the Muster. You
enjoy the afternoon mate, Thanks Andy. Pleasure laugh out loud
with ad Proud because life on the land can be
a laughing matter. Brought to us by sheer Well Data.
It's working to help the livestock. Smoking will kill you,
(08:02):
Bacon will kill you, and yet smoking bacon will cure it.
There's a chuckle for a Monday afternoon. Thanks to your company.
I mean he knewer. This has been the Muster on
Hock and Newlie thanks to Peter Genetics podcast going up shortly.
Enjoy the afternoon, Sere tomorrow
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