The Muster Full Show: 03/08/26

Andy Muir talks to Bruce Eade, Rob Scott and Pam Yorke, Graham Butcher, Greg Erickson and Logan Savory.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:01):
It goes electric weaving.

Speaker 2 (00:02):
Where's the good afternoon and welcome to the muster on
Hakanui and him. You're here until two o'clock. The show
is brought to you by Peter's Genetics. Welcome along. After
a hectic weekend, Stag Day, it's been gone and close
to ten k not sure what the crowd figure was.
Unfortunately it didn't work on the Panic and all of

(00:23):
a sudden men the were two. This upcoming weekend for
the Stags, you think is going to be pivotal as
far as the way that this season goes. But look,
it's a big weekend as well. The Warriors consolidated their
place in the ner Our table with a good win
over the Titans. A big game this weeken is Penrith Panthers.
I they win this, then they are the real deal
for twenty twenty six and the Commonwealth Games too. Tory

(00:46):
Morby celebrating silver medal. That was bloody fantastic and the
silver Fern's getting the gold as well for dan Noli
and Tarroua more than anybody after what she's had to
endure over the past few months. So certainly so poetic
justice there music today is justin Timberlake. Funny fact he
was once a top. Once upon a time he was

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in the Mickey Mouse.

Speaker 3 (01:08):
Club Poku's five day forecasts with twin farm te from
and subtext. The proof is in the progeny tear from
dot co dot Inza.

Speaker 2 (01:21):
And as well he was hooked up with the Britney Spears.
But anyway, let's talk the weather, because it's going to
get cold this afternoon raven brisks our westerlies and a
high of eleven. Tomorrow Tuesday is the telling one cloudy
with breezy sow westerlies minus five, low and the highest six.
And again on Wednesday, sunny Pieririe is for calm, variable
wins minus five and a high of seven. So it's

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going to get pretty cool over the next forty eight
hours or so. Thursdays a little bit warmer yea Sunday
with variable wins minus three and nine. There you go,
take the positors and on Friday it's getting better, cloudy
with calm, variable wins one in ten. So a temperature
to hand five point four at Clinton, Harriet five point five,
Northern south from five point eight, Riveton eight point five,

(02:05):
tn Ol six point one, Tinoroa eight Winter six and
Woodlands at seven. Briceeed starts us off in the Satin
Dam Farming roundup Farming at Cowso then South and District
Mayor Rap Scott's in studio along with Pam York. Now
we heard last week from the Macagol City Council with
Grant Dermedy about their preference regarding council amalgamation. Well today

(02:29):
Rap Scott towns us around the South and District Council
and what they're thinking is Greg Erickson's on the line,
a Canadian correspondent formerly a boy Moomoo. Graham Butcher's joins
us in studio as well. The Indian Free Trade Agreement.
He's got some concerns around it. And Logan Savry of
the South and Tribune looks back at Stagg Day and
is well just a massive weekend for at New Zealand

(02:50):
sport in general. So we'll crank into it next with Brice.
This is the muster here until two o'clock thanks to
Peterson Neddix. Seven. After one, Brace joins us in the
Sergeant Dan Farming round Up. Thanks for Sergeant and stock

(03:12):
foods and Goore. We go and catch up with the
various farmers from around the southern region and we're away
to Calso this afternoon to catch up with Bruce. Good afternoon,
how things.

Speaker 4 (03:22):
Are you going, Andy. It's a bit moist and a
bit cold today, but contrast for yesterday and Saturday. But
that's winter.

Speaker 2 (03:30):
It's how would you describe winter from what you've seen
so far compared to other seasons.

Speaker 4 (03:35):
It's been an interesting dynamic. I reckon it hasn't. I
don't believe it's been any wetter, but it does take
It doesn't take much to make things wet, if you
get what I mean. And it's at the same time
it's been dry, as I contradict myself. But you know,
we've had I think we've had grass growth throughout the winter.
We've got stud bulls there have been on grass or

(03:56):
winter and back fencing them and it's been ground behind
them quite noticeably. So yeah, so far, so good. But
now is the really important part. So yeah, as we
stand here looking at it absolutely pouring down outside of
the shed here.

Speaker 2 (04:12):
Of course you've got to split carving the way you
work things. The hell's it all going?

Speaker 4 (04:16):
Yeah? I know that's we just ease into it there
where birst All was carving, so you've got about a dozen.
We're doing break any records here for having one hundred
a day or anything like that. So no, we just
cruise through, so not getting too upset or wound up
just yet. There's a long way to go.

Speaker 2 (04:34):
So everything's going pretty good so far, as good as
it could be.

Speaker 4 (04:38):
Oh as good as it could be. But it's only
the third day of carving, so there's a lot to
play out in front. And I'm not going to say
too much more because I don't want to put the
mocer on myself. So yeah, I mean it's it's the
same as every year. You get the odd ball things
that pop up and that, and it doesn't matter how
good you prepare for them. There's always something, but he
jumps it and sneaks up on you.

Speaker 2 (04:58):
So how are your covers looking based on that little
bit of growth, Yeah.

Speaker 4 (05:02):
I think we're probably looking the best we've had for
a number of years. You know, coming into spring, we
didn't get the big runner heavy frost, so there wasn't
there wasn't the frosting on the grass and now today
this week could be a different story, but it'd certainly
be a lot different getting a frost at this time
of year versus getting it early June. There's minus four
and five degree frosts are talking this week, So yeah,

(05:24):
we'll see what plays out. But at any dry day
at this time of year, as a bonus.

Speaker 2 (05:27):
Next couple of nights of looking at minus five lows
and just being around fight six or seven overnight highs,
I think it corrects itself towards the end of the week.
So it's going to be a bit nippy.

Speaker 4 (05:38):
It will be yep, everyone will be looking for their gloves,
i'd say in those a couple of mornings. So make
sure you keep the heat lamp over your water pump
and the you drain anything that needs drain, because it'll
be a chance it'll be frozen one day this week.

Speaker 2 (05:52):
So pretty much as your winter feeding in the likes
as it all panned out pretty good as far as
having crop. Of course, you've got all that mazeing there
that you do as well.

Speaker 4 (06:01):
Yeah, I know it's going to crop there. There's hefers
and some balls on winter crop and that, and they're
getting near the end of it. You sort of think, well,
if you can get to the start of August and
that and you've got another couple of weeks in front
of surely the weather should be playing its part and
they can come off there. We've got thirty hectares of
autumn sun oats that go in behind the maze, which

(06:23):
they'll graze once to finish the crops. So yeah, we
wouldn't mind a wee a extra grace. They're probably not
quite ready yet, far from it even, but that certainly
gives us another card up their sleeve if the weather
gets messy, because it's going back into maze again, So
it doesn't matter if they make too much mess on
it when they start gray, isn't it.

Speaker 2 (06:41):
So the maze it's an integral part of your system now,
isn't it.

Speaker 4 (06:45):
It's a fair part of it. Yeah. I wouldn't say
we live and die by it, but it's certainly a
large part of the system now. So yeah, we're third year,
coming up, fourth year into it, so we'll just keep
on going. It's just the norm for us now, Grace.

Speaker 2 (06:58):
I've got Rapscot on the show next. We're talking council amalgamations.
Of course you're based in the Otaga region there. Have
you got to grasp around what it all entails?

Speaker 4 (07:07):
No, do you think you will.

Speaker 2 (07:10):
But that's a concern for a lot of people. The
messaging seems to be very slow from a lot of councils.

Speaker 4 (07:16):
Oh that's the thing. It's a big year in that space,
and it's the wrong time year to be getting worked
up over that. We've got an election coming, We've got
these guys running around canvas and for different things, and
it can certainly get a bit overwhelming. But yeah, I
don't know what the perfect answer is. They're all thieves
for what we pay for what we get in return,

(07:36):
and yeah, you can quote that, but no, I don't
know what the perfect answer is. And I haven't, really,
to be honest, got too far into it. You know
how I roll out here, Andy, we just concentrate on
inside the farm gate. I know that sounds like it's
sticking ahead in the sand, But at the end of
the day, what I say probably doesn't really relate or
compute with those guys too much.

Speaker 2 (07:58):
The rate increases though, just doesn't matter where you are.
It's a thing these.

Speaker 4 (08:01):
Days, Oh exactly, And that's yeah, that's exactly right. So
what we pay for their rates and the services receive,
you know, out here in the rural areas, are certainly questionable.
Some of the things I pay for that I've never
used and never even seen, never visited, and never likely to.
But I'm paying for them, so I hope the people
that do use them enjoy them.

Speaker 2 (08:20):
Well. Next time you're in Derned and feel free to
go and visit the Zen room.

Speaker 4 (08:23):
Of the Yeah, that is one thing that's a high
on my bucket list to go to the zen room
and have an afternoon as in probably the middle of carving.
It will be a great time to go and visit that, wouldn't.

Speaker 2 (08:32):
It, especially when there's a snowstall.

Speaker 4 (08:34):
Yes, that's right, exactly right. But no, look, that's the
thing that probably greats most people that are living in
the real world. The money goes to fluffy things like
that and not the stuff that really matters, you know,
the wasteboard of the roads and all that that's not
sexy and they don't spend money on it.

Speaker 2 (08:50):
A good news story. There was a Mother's Flat sevens
at the weekend. You were there as well, worth a
couple of your kids. I was over there for the
first time and to shout out to the organizing committee,
there are things through the Miller's Flat School. Someone recking
one hundred and thirteen teams. But it was seamless. You
heard all the stories about the weather and how it
was like Noah being on the yak, but it was
a beautiful day. It was crisp on the hills with

(09:12):
the snow and it was somehow, so it was pretty idyllic.

Speaker 4 (09:16):
Yeah, it's certainly all. It was my first time there.
Two Andy, and he's a hell of an event. Parking
is at a premium. I don't think Miller's Flat ever
sees that many cars up until next year.

Speaker 2 (09:28):
Till the radio, maybe till the rodeo.

Speaker 4 (09:32):
Yeah, well yeah, rodeo. I don't even know. The rodeo
might even struggle to top there. But no, as you say,
well run there's no mucking around. When the hood goes
that's it, game over, swap over, the next one runs on.
So yeah, full credit to the organizers. I mean, they
certainly run a tight ship. And there's looks like there's
a few promising Targo and Staggs players running around there

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at Miller's Flat at the weekend.

Speaker 2 (09:57):
Good on your brief will let you carry on? Stay
dry right, three Seed and the Sergeant Dan Farming roundup.
Thanks of course, the Sergeant Dan Stock food so Sons
called Sexy Back three seeds, all about bringing farming back.
Don't worry about that. Talking about amalgamations, Rob Scott's South
and District Mayor is up next to talk about it
from his perspective. Welcome back to the Muster. Now it's

(10:33):
all talk, all the talk at the moment. We heard
about it last week with Grant Dermody, Vice Deputy Mayor
n for Cargo regarding council amalgamations and that's going to
be a bit of a feature on the show this week.
And studio is Rob Scott's South and District Mayor. Good afternoon, Rob,
afternoon Andy, and as well. Pam york Sare is chair
of the White Hope I Toy Toy Community Board. Pam,

(10:54):
Welcome to the Muster, thanks Andy, Right right straight off
the bat, this this is effectively your baby. You instigated this,
We talked about this previously, but yeah, it's all coming
to a head. It is.

Speaker 1 (11:07):
It's it's referred to as my baby, but I also
would like to refer to it as South and District
Council's baby. It's actually been well embraced by all of
our We've got sixty nine elected members and it's it's
it's South and District Council's proposal, not not Robs. So yeah,
that's something I do want to make clear.

Speaker 2 (11:22):
But you have been the driving force behind a day
like your voice as such, Yep, okay, Pam, what are
you making of all this of what we're hearing at
the moment, Like I say, Grant Dermidian studio last week
talking about it from in the Cargo Council perspective, but
a lot of people are still trying to comprehend this
whole process. Yeah.

Speaker 5 (11:40):
Absolutely, And I think even before mere Rob's proposal, like
there was always talk in that eastern south An area
that you know, Gore maybe should be looking at something different.
But I personally don't believe that the one Southland proposals
the way to go for us, specially over this eastern
south On area. I do believe it to unitary your
threat proposal is the way to go, and how that's

(12:03):
worked out, of course, would be for a later date.

Speaker 2 (12:05):
What real appeals to you regarding that?

Speaker 5 (12:07):
I think if we were in a one authority, we
would lose their voice. I mean, who's going to care
about something that's going on in Gorge Road or Waikawa
or Wakai or anything like that. And I think even
maybe the proposals on how local boards and things will work,
I just don't think they get it just because they're
so urban focused, whereas we do have that rural township

(12:31):
focus area type thing.

Speaker 2 (12:34):
Well that was an issue that Grant brought up last
week for regarding the Ereti River and issues were flooding
in in Vicago. But you're not going to worry about
that if you're up at knock Am.

Speaker 1 (12:42):
I No, it's interesting when you look at what's kind
of being portrayed as the benefits of the one and
having that, Yeah, you can look after a whole catchment,
you can look after a whole region. That's currently how
it does at the moment with Environments Southland. But when
you look at and PAMs touched on it, that that
representation piece and local boards, community boards, it's semantics to me.

(13:05):
It's how those boards are actually respected and how those
boards are treated by the umbrella overarching council and how
they link through to that council. That's actually most the
most important piece. And if under the one council solution
you're going to have at least half of your councilors
based in in Dicago City. It breaks down that link
that you've got at the moment with Southern District Council.

(13:26):
We've got nine community boards and councilors elected from those
areas that represent those areas that are linked straight through
to the board. So you're getting effectively an umbrella council
that just looks after nine unique communities. There's no strong
major community in all of Southern District that kind of dominates.
They're all individual and we can look after those bespoke

(13:49):
needs really well.

Speaker 2 (13:50):
Are we going to see the situation where this new
building and gore for the council, right it is just
going to be held for meetings.

Speaker 4 (13:57):
Not at all.

Speaker 2 (13:58):
It's a great it's a great building.

Speaker 1 (14:00):
It's an asset to Gore, and I think Andy, it's
important to touch on the fact that this isn't a
South and District Council takeover. This is a brand new
council that's going to take the best of Gore, the
best of South and District and form an u entity
that that office and library and Gore will be well utilized. Look,
we've got we don't just have an office in the
Icago South and District. We've got offices spread all around

(14:22):
the district and having an asset like that helps us
to actually have a bit of a hub for where
we base our services out of. It's a lot Gore's
a lot closer to a lot of the areas surrounding
Gore than in Macargolis, so you can actually utilize those
offices really well.

Speaker 2 (14:36):
Pam Grant also talked about debt loading the other day
or sharing the debt around, something to be looked at
further down the line. But look, if you're based on
the other side of the province and having to take
debt from, say Gore, which is heavily up to its eyeballs,
you know that's no secret about that. That's not really fair,
is it.

Speaker 3 (14:53):
No.

Speaker 5 (14:53):
I think there would have to be some ring fencing done,
which is what's happened in the past. And I've been
through a few amalgamations. I went from Windham Community Board
to end up Windham Community Board to my Hope Tortoise
Community Board and we always ring fenced any debt that
was left behind, and I think, you know that would happen.
But then I do believe there's benefits of scale for

(15:14):
the gore people from there on and the cost because
I actually received some gore rates in the mail on
the weekend and I was horrified. But there's definitely got
to be improvements to be made going.

Speaker 2 (15:24):
From those boards though to a more of a provincial model,
though it will be a bigger scale and a lot
more to entail.

Speaker 5 (15:30):
It will, But then each community board does it slightly
different and looks at the area compared to the others.
So you know that's a process to be worked through.

Speaker 2 (15:38):
So what's the biggest what's the biggest plus here for
the rural community of this goes through under the two
board model or two council model.

Speaker 1 (15:44):
Sorry, what with the two council model the royal community.
I've heard a lot of rhetoric about this urban versus city.

Speaker 2 (15:53):
That's how it's coming through. Urban versus rural. Absolutely, you're
stuck in them the gagle, you're on the boundaries in
east and south for example. Why should you be lumped
in with fimbers?

Speaker 1 (16:02):
Yeah, And they talk about it creating a divide. I
actually see the one council creating a divide. I think
utilizing the strengths of the rural sector combined with the
strength of the city, and then you look at what
happened with Stags Day in the weekend. Everyone comes together
where it matters, and you can do the same in
your representation piece. If you're going up to Wellington and
we're looking at Southland as a region, the two mayors

(16:23):
can easily lock hands and go up there and go strong.
I think having that understanding of the rural, the way
the rural communities actually operate, in the way they work,
and focusing on those strengths rather than trying to actually
run both the rural and the city under one roof,
where you're going to have competing priorities all the time
and then either side isn't going to get the best representation.

(16:45):
So I think getting that that kind of collective understanding
of how Gore is no different to a lot of
the rural Southland communities and we'd be able to work
really well together under that.

Speaker 2 (17:00):
Now August ninth is d Day as such, regarding draft
proposals and seeing what happens after that, a few councils
are actually saying sod up, we're not going to do
a thing. We just got to wait for this backstop
process from central government. What do you make of that?

Speaker 1 (17:15):
Yeah, I can totally understand why we're very lucky to
be in the Local Government Commission process. If we weren't
in that, I'd be probably advocating really strongly for saying
no as well, it's not enough time to start from
scratch on a proposal in that time period that the
government's given the country. For those We're lucky that we've
got a two year well even a little bit longer,

(17:35):
for the time that we've been working on this head
head start for the head start on this process. So
a head start for us isn't as daunting. But to
have no proper consultation with communities, no proper modeling, and
I'm talking about the councils up and down the country now,
I'm not surprised that they're throwing their hands up because
it's a generational change, changing the structure of local government

(17:57):
and the people need to be the deciders, not the
count So.

Speaker 2 (18:00):
If this was an election year, you believe he'll be
a lot more of a grace period regarding this. Oh,
there should be.

Speaker 1 (18:06):
It's shown that the disrespect that the government has for
local government, the way they've behaved with this, and to
do a genuine change. The desire needs to come up
from the community as well. It's not about what Wellington thinks.
It's actually about what our people in our community think
and want, because that's what we're ultimately therefore, and we
need to come up with a structure that it's going
to link in with our people a whole lot better.

(18:27):
And when you look at everyone thinks bigger is better,
it's not. Bigger quite often goes the wrong way. You've
got to look at a lot of the mergers that
have happened, the type king A merger and the last government,
the politechs, the health. We've got Otago southward with the
health it's created postcode lottery even further. You look at
all these big mergers, they don't actually really help.

Speaker 2 (18:49):
So how would you say the super City's gone? Hard
to say with the super City.

Speaker 1 (18:54):
I had an interview with Rodney Hyde the other day,
who was behind that, and it was quite interesting talking
to him. But I think when you look at it
hasn't really translated to any massive cost savings. And if
you talk to someone in Rodney right now, that sort
of complaining. But I'm not all over the Auckland situation
enough to understand that. I do see you've got to
look at the voter apathy as a good measure, and

(19:16):
Auckland's got the highest epathy in the country. People don't engage.

Speaker 2 (19:20):
So Pam, just finally, as we look forward to going
through this process, are you confident we're going to see
an outcome that will actually benefit Southland?

Speaker 5 (19:30):
Not one hundred percent?

Speaker 2 (19:31):
No, No, I think is it a case of be
careful what we wish for? Yeah, I think so.

Speaker 5 (19:36):
I mean, I think if it goes the right way,
the future is looking quite good. And I'll bring back
to your statement before our fear. I mean, no one's
mentioned and Macacle mentions the Areti River, right, no one's
mentioned the Matara River. He had one unitary air unitary
authority looking after that river and communities bill so all
the way through from the headwaters right through to Fort Ryse.

(19:58):
I think you get a lot better outcomes on on
that river. And no one's mentioned that river. And as
you mentioned, it calls a lot of habit when it
gets out of control.

Speaker 2 (20:06):
Gravel extraction is one of the key things for a
lot of people in this.

Speaker 5 (20:09):
Exactly, so either sort it or put it to bed.
But at least tell people. I mean they have these
materia catchman groups and things like that, but they never
meet with the right people. Never once is a community board.
Have they come to us and said, hey, this is
what we're doing, or this is what we're looking at
and we go from the Gore boundary right to Portrows.
So they haven't been inclusive any of the way through

(20:32):
when they did the floodbanks and not the nicest people
to work for. They don't communicate and they don't finish off.
They don't tell you what's going on. So for that reason,
I'm quite happy that environmentself and would come under a
unitary authority.

Speaker 2 (20:44):
Rob Scott and Pam York, thanks to your time this afternoon.
Interesting times, I.

Speaker 6 (20:47):
Will say, thanks Andy, Rob Scott and Pam York talking
about all these amalgamations and like I say, it's going
to be a feature on the must of this sweek
Up next Change of Tech.

Speaker 2 (20:59):
Graham Butcher Talk fifty of India. Welcome back to the Muster.
Graham Butcher joins us in studio once again. A farm consultant.
Baste Hearing Gore. Good afternoon, Graham, The car before the
storm with the weather Afternoon Andy.

Speaker 7 (21:21):
At I was on shurch leads this morning, but not anymore.

Speaker 2 (21:24):
Anyway. We've got a couple of things are talking about today.
The first one is the free trade agreement with India
that got over the line just recently. A lot of
people are saying Todd McClay did our standing where to
do this? And that is the case.

Speaker 7 (21:37):
But you've got reservations, Yes, I have three aspects, in
particular the exchange of plant variety rights talking about kiwi fruit, apples, berries,
grapes and avocado. I've got reservations about that. Apparently ds
IR owned most of the plant variety rights, but Esprey

(22:00):
have got to give the approval to do the premium varieties.
If we exchange it's not only plant variety rights as
technology for it as well. So I have big reservations
about that. But I just googled Zesbrey's outlook on that
and they apparently support into your free trade agreement big time.
So there's a bit of investigative journalism for andy. You

(22:22):
can give the chairman or the chief Execker ring and say, why.

Speaker 2 (22:26):
So do you go the scale of market? Perhaps?

Speaker 7 (22:29):
Oh possibly, I can't quite fathom that one. The other
one is with a free trade agreement is the immigration.
We likely to see a fairly big increase in immigration.
We've already got lots of students coming in. I think
that's fine. But the intra company transfer one is a
real can of worms. It's been tried overseas before and

(22:51):
it hasn't worked in the country's favor where people are
coming in. Basically, a company transfers people Indians, people with
Indian nationally coming to New Zealand quite easily done. There's
no cap on it, there's no minimum wage, there's no nothing.

(23:13):
The transfer last for three years. They can get residency
rights after two. So I have reservations about that.

Speaker 3 (23:20):
I just.

Speaker 2 (23:22):
It's interesting too. Here's a couple of stats for you,
Indi yea. It's protected to be the world's third largest
economy by twenty thirty. It is a middle class of
over seven hundred million people. It's a big figure. If
we can get it, we can get in with these
people or this economy, then it's a no brainer.

Speaker 7 (23:39):
That's that's the key point you've just made then, and
I'll come back to that and attack the third one.
I'm just a bit concerned about the twenty billion US
that New Zealand has to invest in the Indian economy.
That's thirty five billion New Zealand dollars over the next
fifteen years. I just wonder where that's going to come from.
The best summary I found to date from analysts is
that patients has required. Analysts note that the agreement represents

(24:04):
long term strategic positioning rather than immediate overnight economic transformation.
And I think that hits the nail on the head.
When they talk about long term strategic positioning, they don't
stay with it's actually going to work or not. So
I have my reservation still as.

Speaker 2 (24:21):
Far as temporary visas, they're saying five thousand ten visas
to areas that are short staffed, likes of construction, health
and it workers.

Speaker 7 (24:30):
Yes, it's the intracompany transfer ones that I'm more concerned about.

Speaker 2 (24:33):
So you're talking about families that are coming in families.

Speaker 7 (24:37):
That's the way it's set up. A company in India
can set up an office in Auckland or any place
in New Zealand and they can import staff to support
that office. But you don't have to actually do anything
in the office in New Zealand. You just have an
address and you can import people into that they don't

(25:01):
have to actually do anything. It's a bit of a
roart really, and that's how it's worked, particularly I think
in the UK where similar agreements were set up and
it led to a lot of people coming into India
under a similar sort of structure and it caused problems
there that they don't actually have to work for the company.

(25:22):
They can just say that person has technology or skills
that are vital for this company. There's no proof, there's
no minimum wage, no nothing. You look at the Kiwi
fruit one, they have a Kiwi fruit industry there. Their
production is way lower than what we get per hec there.
So we're going to give them plant variety rights, technology.

(25:42):
What they're going to do, they're going to increase production.
Isn't that not further competition for New Zealand ki fruit industry.
You couldn't visit a situation where in ten years from
now Keywi fruit industry will start feeling the pressure from
Indian production and maybe twenty years from now it'll be history.

Speaker 2 (25:57):
Right from Monday to Swede. And you ought to talk
about some.

Speaker 7 (26:00):
Some are some are sweet, Some are brassica for finishing lands,
some ambrassicas Yeah, that's it's time to start thinking about that.
I did a quick figures, or not quick figures. They
took quite a long quite a long time to do.
If I'm basically focusing on Refno here now and the
trials that come are here, they produce just under sixteen

(26:21):
ton of dry matter from REFNO growing from late October
sewing through to the last harvest in early April. Fairly
phenomenal figure sixteen ton. I mean, we can't take that
figure as a normal land farm figure down here. So
based on that sixteen ton figure, I said, okay, maybe

(26:43):
we can do eight, maybe we can do ten, which
is still a pretty good yuel for a short period.
So if we look at the cost of growing Refno,
if you have aph had problems, got to deal with them,
it's about seventeen hundred dollars a hecta. The seeds relatively
expensive two hundred and eighty dollars a hecta, so seventeen
hundred dollar to grow it. If we say we're going
to get another eight ton, which should be achievable down here,

(27:09):
fifteen percent wastage eleven and a half me had we
not sewn the RAFNO in early October, it probably would
have been regrass. And I'm assuming here the program is
coming out of first Yearbraska. We go on too summer
turnips or summer refno and regrass in the autumn. So
had we not decided not to use the raf noo

(27:31):
and had grass sewn, we would have had about two
and a half thousand k's of dry matter fifteen percent wastage.
And that is as well. So if we assume an
eight ton crop is reasonable, we have a net gain
in dry matter on that hectare of four thousand, six
hundred and seventy five k's a dry matter. Now, if
you look at how you can take that additional four thousand,

(27:54):
six hundred and seventy five kilograms of dry matter and
put twenty eight k lambs on it, grow them at
turn eighty k's for fifty days, they'll come up with
it just under nineteen k carcass weight. Now, to do that,
we need eighty five k's of dry matted down the throat,
which is about six point one kilograms a dry at
a per kilogram liveweight gain. So the net gain and

(28:16):
carcass and sorry and live weight you can produce off
that hectea is seven hundred and seventy kilograms live weight
gain on the lambs, So that's reasonably significant. At forty
five percent dressing, which they will be of high quality
brasscat nine dollars fifty that represents a net gain for
every hectare of rafno you put in at an eight

(28:37):
ton yield of fifteen hundred and seventy seven dollars including
the cost of growing it. Now, that's reasonably significant. If
we go to a ten ton crop, we get twenty
seven hundred and seventy four dollars net per hectare additional
income from growing that crop. Now, because you're actually concentrating

(28:58):
lambs on a smaller air we are, the balance of
the farm dry matter will probably go up. For going
into the winter a bit of a trap. We've got
to get our regrassing done on time in the autumn,
otherwise it's not going to work. So we'll have less
area over the winter for grass for going into stock,
but we'll still have that in full production in the

(29:19):
spring for lambing. So yep, the risk is not getting
a yield. All those sorts of things come into it.
But you know, you'd have to say that growing a
summer brassca if we get at least an eight ton yield.
Looks pretty sound be interesting.

Speaker 2 (29:35):
It'll be an interesting season with this so called super
an Nino possibly on the horizon.

Speaker 7 (29:39):
Exactly right. Yep, it looks to be coming more assured
that we're going to get it.

Speaker 2 (29:45):
Get on your ground. Talking about Indian Indians and sweets
that even Graham Butcher farm consultant with his thoughts around
the Indian Free Trade Agreement. This is the muster up. Next,
we're a way to Canada to catch up. Greg ereckscellent,

(30:08):
this says the muster justin Timberlake. Is the music this
afternoon like I Love You, a song that featured on
the Love Actually soundtrack, one of the greatest movies that
ever come out. Greg Erickson joins us next. He's based
in Canada, farming just outside of Millet, Millet and the
arable sector formerly avoid Moomoo. Good afternoon, Greg, how.

Speaker 8 (30:28):
SAgs good things Andy, Thanks for having me.

Speaker 2 (30:31):
You're always good to catch up. So normally when we
speak to you, you're talking about the depths of winter
and how cold it gets, but you're finally seeing summer
or late summer vibes.

Speaker 8 (30:42):
Yeah, Yeah, we've had typically a bit of a whit
summer so far, but the last week or two has
been really nice and warm, thirty thirty degrees and a
bit nice, nice and humid and a little more around today.
But it's drying up slowly and hopefully it continues drawing
up as harvest approaches.

Speaker 2 (31:00):
Dare what your average rainfall will be there?

Speaker 8 (31:03):
Oh, it's four hundred and fifty mills ish plus snowfall
snow melt.

Speaker 2 (31:10):
So very similar to central the target.

Speaker 8 (31:13):
Yeah, kind of kind of. And then they well, a
lot of the rain is centralized between sort of April
and October, so that four and fifty mills is really
just in the growing season and then the snow melt
really just hopefully if you get enough snow over the winter,
ed will mean your your soils are saturated or at

(31:34):
least wet or damp before seeding starts so that you
can have a good season.

Speaker 2 (31:41):
So how are the crops looking at the moment?

Speaker 8 (31:44):
They vary a little bit. So we've had because we
had quite a wet June.

Speaker 4 (31:49):
We had.

Speaker 8 (31:51):
We had some rough, some rough growing growing times in
certain areas, especially around Millet. If you go down sort
of half in our south where a lot of air
land is it's looking really good. But right now it's
around here, it's it's looking like there's a lot of
standing water and paddocks and whatnot. So but where it's

(32:11):
where it's high areas, like the high parts of the ground,
it's it's looking like it'll be all right now.

Speaker 2 (32:17):
Involve your job as organizing silage teams to go out
and about, and they seem to travel quite a fear
way around the province.

Speaker 4 (32:26):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (32:26):
Yeah, So the and I I'm involved with we have
three silage crews and we have one goes down to
southern Alberta and then one go to Saskatchewan and they
do a couple of different walls, have different feed lots
owned by the same guy in Saskatchewan, and in another
crew sort of stays around the Millet area. And yeah,

(32:47):
we do a whole bunch of lucern and a whole
bunch of barley silage, and later in the season we'll
be doing the corn or maze.

Speaker 2 (32:58):
Tell me you don't tell me that you don't measure
the sie ledge and bushels.

Speaker 8 (33:04):
No, no, silences don't, thank God.

Speaker 2 (33:08):
So we get the talage coming back into the equations.
So the whole metric imperial debate kicks off again, right.

Speaker 8 (33:14):
It does, yes, constantly.

Speaker 2 (33:16):
That's a subject for another day though, mate, we'll continue on. Look,
there's been a lot of talk with terriffs from President
Trump out of the US, but he's gone pretty hard
on Canada. Was it like fifty percent terriffs that he
was trying to implement.

Speaker 8 (33:29):
Yeah, so he's still I guess he's still upset that
the first terriff's got coy washed. Anyway, so he's here.
He did put fifty percent tariffs on a few things,
and it's not a huge issue so far.

Speaker 4 (33:43):
I think.

Speaker 8 (33:44):
I think Canada in general is kind of just well,
he's still talking and we're just ignoring him. So right now,
everyone is just carrying on. There's not a real big pushback.
There's no angry words or retaliation. That's just let's just
carry on.

Speaker 2 (34:02):
So in the media and the likes, when he comes
out of these announcements, it hardly gets a murmur.

Speaker 8 (34:08):
It gets a murmur on like other talk shows and
the news and all the rest of that stuff, but
it doesn't reverberate into everyday life. You don't hear anyone
talking about it anymore, like when it first started the
whole elbows up thing with Canada supporting Canadians, et cetera.
That was very big, but now you don't hear anything

(34:28):
of it.

Speaker 2 (34:29):
I remember you talking about that because it was the
uncertainty with everything going on, especially with the Iran conflict.
And we talk about the fuel situation in New Zealand.
Prices have rebounded as the war continues. You guys are
a bit more self sufficient, though, what are you saying
at the pump for prices at the moment.

Speaker 8 (34:46):
Oh, pump, prices of the pump now around the dollar sixty.
They I'm sorry, dollars seventy. They went down quite a bit,
but yeah, they same as you. They bounced back up
in the last couple of weeks, but they were down
to a dollar thirty again, which was a bit of relief.
But yeah, they'll they'll stay out for as long as
the conflict continues.

Speaker 2 (35:06):
And that's for a litera that's p yes, not a
gal on, not a goon. Oh good, I got that
out of the road. So how would you describe the
mood of the rural sector in Canada at the moment
considering the geopolitical situations that are being faced.

Speaker 4 (35:23):
Pretty good?

Speaker 8 (35:24):
Yeah, pretty good, so because we have so we didn't
have any rain leading up until seeding, and then we
still didn't get any rain until the very end of seeding,
and so there was a lot of worry around. No
one thought there was going to be any crops. And
there we've had a lot of rain. So that's packed
up and everyone that's gone away. And now the prices

(35:45):
for wheat have resen and the prices for beef have
just kept climbing. So the sentiment is pretty good at
the moment.

Speaker 2 (35:54):
So what's driving the arable market?

Speaker 8 (35:57):
Ah, that is a great question. I think it is
to do with drought out in like Ontario, et cetera.
And in Saskatchewan they haven't had a great year and
so I think the prices have gone up due to
the volume not being as high as it could be.

Speaker 2 (36:15):
Like nationwide problems with the cattle market. In Texas, do
you to a couple of outbreaks of disease, do you
see a spike in your market they're regarding beef.

Speaker 8 (36:24):
Well, the market hasn't stopped spiking. It's it's been going
up steady since or the last eighteen months. And the
news of the screw worm in Texas and well any
sort of news at all. This results in the market
going up. There is no no, no news of the

(36:47):
market dropping in any anyway. So the cattle market is
bonkers here, especially the beef market.

Speaker 2 (36:54):
So it's pretty buoyant times in the sector in general.
What about red for cheap as such?

Speaker 8 (36:58):
The lamb sheep ah, good luck finding any certainly, certainly
good luck finding a market. But there is virtually no
sheep here. There's more sheep. There'll be more sheep in
Waymumu than there are in Alberta.

Speaker 2 (37:15):
That's a hell of a comparison.

Speaker 8 (37:17):
Greeg it is, yes, because there's a lot of a
lot of dairy cows in Woman these days.

Speaker 2 (37:23):
Just finally, the Commonwealth Games have wrapped up. Has been
big news here, a lot of people saying it's not
resonating the same general truncated format. But in Canada you're
having to go online to even hear about it existing
in Canada. Let's remember as part of the Commonwealth in
a big way.

Speaker 8 (37:40):
Yes, yes, Canada is a very significant part of the Commonwealth.
Canada thinks it's quite important in the Commonwealth. And we
don't hear anything about the Games here. Virtually nothing so
it is all any news updates I get are all
from my New Zealand media, your feeds, and it's just

(38:02):
it's just not a thing here now. Like you said,
it is a strange truncated format, so that may have
something to do with it, But I think it's part
that to do with sport here is I mean, sport
around the world is very easy to get and so
that the Games has sort of taken a backfoot.

Speaker 2 (38:21):
So it is it fair to say that Calm Games
in Canada is not featuring Jude to streaming and all
the options available regarding sporting events.

Speaker 4 (38:29):
I think.

Speaker 8 (38:29):
So it's also the middle of summer here, so people
aren't as or people are very busy, so they're not
as focused on the sport and everything else. They're all
on holiday at the moment. So and also in Canada
at the moment, there is the baseball playing like the
American Baseball League is big here because of the Toronto

(38:52):
Blue Jays they considered Canada's team. And also there is
the Canadian Football League going on at the moment, so
there is no shortage of sport here on at present.
So the Conwealth Games haven't made a debt.

Speaker 2 (39:07):
Ye're interesting Greg, Hey, thanks to your time. Has always
We'll let you carry on and next time we catch
up it'll be into harvest mode. Appreciate your time. Yeah,
not a problem, Greg Erickson. Formerly avoid mooney these days
in Canada. You're listening to the muster before we wrap
up Logan Savy of the South and Tribune to talk
about of local sport. That says the Muster on Hakanuie

(39:35):
Logan Safrie out of the South and Tribune joins us
once again. Good afternoon, sad Stag Day has been and
gone for another year. Not quite t and K we
haven't really heard the figures are regarding the crowd, but
I'll tell you what it wasn't flash on the park,
but off the park. You look on those terraces and
just a sea of maroon and truly embraced by the

(39:56):
province and especially the younger generation.

Speaker 9 (39:59):
Absolutely spectacular in the sense of the crowd that turned out.
Still waiting an official crowd figure, but I think it
probably would have topped even last year. Really great look
for you know, as you said on the screens, and
I know we've had a future of comments from us
around the country just wondering how how this is done

(40:19):
in South and where you know, other ones are struggling
for crowds and people just embraced the whole Stagg day
and has Sean Widdy called.

Speaker 2 (40:26):
It what stay Southenders.

Speaker 9 (40:30):
And you know really and I think the one cool
thing is quite a young crowd as well, like so
that sort of bodes well. That's some rugby at provincial
levels connecting some younger people to the to the game.
And look, yeah, full credit for the south Enders to
get out in big numbers.

Speaker 2 (40:49):
So we go on the pitch now and unfortunately the
chocolates didn't go the way of the Stags. It sounds
like a horror build up. So we can't really pass
judgment until Men and were two next week.

Speaker 9 (40:59):
Yeah, well they need to go up and beat Man
or two this Sunday. And it's the cruck. It look
at how unfolded on said days to be for how
I thought it might unfold. I hoped it didn't. But
for a start, call Targo a really quality side. They
were quality side last year who have managed to retain
the bulk of their team and they're probably going to

(41:21):
go really deep into the into the competition this year.
And then I look on the flip side to South
and it has been a bit of a horror build
up in a sense, you know, I go back to
you know, it wasn't that long ago when they lost
Shiller to a penny who when Mylana Pacifica folded, you know,
fair enough, he took up a contract in France. I

(41:41):
think they would have based a lot of their attack
around him at second five this season. Obviously Submitki too
by Tyler would have been another one that they based
a lot of. But in a hugeh stead they'd have
someone like that caring great story for South Mamion for
him to make the All Black, but he's a big loss.
And then they had about four or five other key

(42:03):
injuries that has really tested the depths and particularly in
the backs, and they've got a little bit probably exposed here.
And then there's a triple where me I understand there
was about of the bit of the flu and allness
come through the camp in the week leading up to
the game. So it was a tough old assignment and

(42:23):
probably just got a little exposure exposed in a few years.
But as you said, they need to go up and
beat men or two this weekend and show that they
have got a bit about them.

Speaker 2 (42:34):
Good to say Jimmy Taylor get his debut over and
done with and he played well.

Speaker 9 (42:38):
Yeah, And I think it's easy at the moment, and
we've probably been doing it for a while. I was
picking holes apart and what needs to happen for Southman
to be a competitive EPC team. So sometimes you just
got to sit back and celebrate some pretty cool things
that are happening. And I think one of them is
the fact that we've got two teenagers and Milk Mecha

(42:59):
Milliana and Jimmy Taylor, who's coming out of South and Boys,
the good local young kids that are probably going to
be really key to the future of South and it'll
be good young young talents and there's every chance that
we might see them on the field together, maybe as
early as this weekend playing teen or fifteen. They did
it at South and Boys. You know, we've produced a

(43:20):
number of Fords in recent times, good forwards in the group,
shawing with.

Speaker 4 (43:24):
The jactator and like.

Speaker 9 (43:25):
But to have, you know, two backs coming through with
a bit of potentials great. The one thing I like
about Jimmy is just a real competitive I mean, he's
got a bit of skill about him, but he's a
competitor and he'll get better from us, and I know
he wants to do well in the South and Jersey
as well, So yeah, I think that is certainly a
cool story.

Speaker 2 (43:45):
The Southland Sharks got a home fine on them and
the NBL this is massive, Yeah, it's huge, Jim mean.

Speaker 9 (43:51):
They're going to get a massive crowd there on Sunday.
Spent ten years since south And hosted a NBL Grand
Final and look played their way through. But I luck
to get the home final in the fact that self.

Speaker 4 (44:06):
And qualified third but top.

Speaker 9 (44:08):
Seed both Auckland and Canterbury lost their semi finals. Obviously
self And beating Canterbury and so got the home ground final.
Going to be a huge assignment against the well Saints
who have gone on a bit of a bit of
a run in the rest of the weeks and of
demolishing everyone in front of them. So but look, I

(44:29):
would imagine there'll be three thousand plus in a stadium
self And on Sunday and the place will be absolutely
rocking trying to get the Sharks home for a national title.

Speaker 2 (44:38):
It'll be an absolute cauldron there next Sunday. But as well,
it's a repeat of last year's final.

Speaker 9 (44:43):
The fun correct it is, yes, and look, it often
doesn't heaven in basketball where they retain a number of
players because it's just a bit of a bit of
a traveling circus bastall where the players that are all
over the place round around the globe picking up the
each contract and whatnot. But the Sharks have managed to
keep a large number of the players from the team

(45:04):
that was in that final last year, and I think
a real motivator for a lot of them for coming
back as they want to get a bit of attention
in one one, so they'll they'll now they'll put themselves
an opportunity to potentially do that.

Speaker 2 (45:17):
On Sunday, Commonwealth Games is all over and done with
Tory moreby doing really really well getting a silver medal.
I'll say one thing about Tory. Listen to us speak
on the telly afterwards, and she speaks very eloquently, comes
across really well and gives an insight to an athlete
where it would be easy in a situation like that
to go into your shell.

Speaker 9 (45:38):
Yeah, I think with Tory it's one of the great
stories of resilience in sport. Like she's she's had a
roller coaster, you know, you know in terms of whether
it's non selection for for Olympics Games, you know, got
eight years ago or whatever, you know, injuries and other
just just some real challenges through the through her journey.

(46:00):
And I guess when you're in a sport like that
where it provides other challenges around, you know, and you've
got to juggle it with work and you know, funding
trying to find funding revenues to get you to place
like this. It would be an easy option to wave
the white flag along the way, but Toy is stuck
at it, keep going. And now she's found herself with

(46:21):
silver medal at the Commonwealth Games. And I think it's
a real reward for that resilience that she shows and
determinations is to keep going and pushing on.

Speaker 2 (46:31):
Well, it's all about stickability. And there's a message in
her story that if you keep believing that eventually you'll succeed.

Speaker 4 (46:38):
Yeah.

Speaker 9 (46:39):
Well, I would have thought that most people in her
situation over her career would have probably thought, well, you know,
that's enough, But she's just kept going. And I just said,
you know, if you really wanted enough like she has, eventually,
you know you'll get to where she want to. I
mean she may have been hoping to even pushed for goal,

(47:00):
but the Australian thrower is obviously obviously turned it on
and that that day to sixty one. I think tours
Tour's personal best. The national record was sixty three, but
that was thrown in twenty twenty three. So but yeah,
silver medal for a girl from Riversdale was pretty cool,

(47:22):
wasn't it.

Speaker 2 (47:22):
Absolutely and the Silver Ferns too getting the business done
over Jamaica who ended up with the silver medal, Australia
missing out and Needy getting bronze I made from a
Kiwi lens. That's quite a hard case. But ultimately you
look at the bigger picture. They're going back to their
domestic competition next year, which just seems to keep flying. However,
the Anzy Premiership is still huge clouds over this, so

(47:44):
after the hangovers have started for the Silver Ferns, they
need to look to the next season thinking what are
we going to do?

Speaker 9 (47:51):
Yeah, it's just it's a bizarre situation. The netball probably needed,
you know, a bright spot at the moment. They got
that with the Silver Ferns goal Metal one at the
Commons Games, and well done to them and Nolan.

Speaker 4 (48:05):
Forgetting to that.

Speaker 9 (48:06):
But you're right, there's still a lot of cloud over
over what's happening as of at the moment, we don't
have a competition publicly announced in the way. I understand
there will be a competition of some sort in New Zealand.
But you're right, these players just one Comonealth Games. Some
of them are wondering what their future is and probably

(48:26):
looking us through in the globe maybe to secure that.
So but look for the moment, it's a it's.

Speaker 4 (48:31):
A break bright spot for the sport of network.

Speaker 9 (48:34):
To go and win a Pinnacle Tournament netball tournament.

Speaker 2 (48:39):
Especially for day Nolin Tarro. She deserved us after the
last twelve months.

Speaker 9 (48:44):
She's just been a roller coaster, isn't it. And you
could almost write a movie about this whole journey, you know,
from being doing stood down to coming back in and
leading the team to Comonalth Games go. Yeah, it's been
one heic of a story. And she's obviously we're talked

(49:05):
about Toris resilience, she said, schat a bit of resilience
through that as well, to stay out and not walk
away when she may have felt like she potentially had been.

Speaker 2 (49:15):
The hard done by Logan severy keep out the fantastic
work with her South and tribute. Always appreciate your time.

Speaker 9 (49:22):
Thanks Andy.

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