September 14, 2021 • 24 mins
Reeling from whirlwind romance and marriage, ending quickly in divorce, Carly Pearce tells Lorianne and Charlie the details of her fears and tears and the music she wrote that helped bring a shockingly positive perspective to love and loss.
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and Charlie, Crik and Chase Nashville Chats this time around
with Miss Carly Pearce. The new album twenty nine Written
in Stone. This thing is such an amazing diary of
the past year and a half or so of her life.
(01:47):
Married to fellow star Michael Ray in October and literally
months later, about eight months later, she filed for divorce.
So this album is revealing a lot of the emotions,
or maybe I should say all of the emotions that
she has been feeling. So I think you're right. And
I was wondering about the title and first saw it
and it dawned on me. She was twenty nine years
(02:09):
old when all this happened, and that short span of time,
So twenty nine Written in Stone, And when I started
listening to the music, I'm going, whoa, this, Uh, this
is not what I expected, but she is really open
about it, and so was this conversation well. And one
thing we need to mention very quickly is that although
this relationship with Michael Ray is the freshest in our minds,
(02:30):
there have been other sort of dramatic relationships in her life,
such as mentioned in the song her first hit, every
Little Thing, and she says this album does comprise more
than just her relationship with Michael Ray. I think this
is a very revealing conversation with Carly Pierce. Check it out.
I want to start off by telling you something just
(02:50):
really really fast that you will relate to, and I
want to find out how you relate to it. I
know what a big timmy when at fan you are.
And years ago she told me this amazing story about
her decision to break up with Jones and her her
situation was different because you know, she had kids and
(03:11):
her career was at the time completely tied to him.
But she was so sad and so depressed, and she
was got her daughter from school or somewhere and brought
her home. They walked into the house and as usual,
she didn't turn on any like. She threw the keys
on the table and just closed the drapes and went
to sit on the couch and her daughter said, gee, Mommy,
(03:35):
it's so dark since daddy's been gone. She said that
was the moment that changed her perspective and snapped her
out of it. So did you have a similar moment
where you know you're depressed, you're upset, but something changed
(03:55):
the way you wanted to think about it. I can't
really recall an exact moment, but I will tell you
that I think, um, more than anything, the lingering piece
of all of it for me was kind of being
mad at myself more than anything, of not realizing this
(04:16):
was what was going to happen. UM. And I think
once I got to a place of forgiving myself, you know,
because I had been somebody that was always like, I'm
gonna wait, and I'm gonna wait for the right person,
and i'm gonna get my career going, and I'm gonna,
you know, get all of that right and I'll know.
And I think I had to get to this place
(04:36):
where I forgave myself because I had to also realize
the moment. I think it was like the moment that
I realized I got married for the right intentions and
I really did feel that way, and when I stood
up there, I was proclaiming and promise you exactly what
I met. And I think once I got to a
(04:58):
place where I that was where my mind switch and
I went, this isn't you didn't mess up your life.
You just got into a situation that wasn't the best
one for you. And as soon as I figured that out,
it was very easy to leave. Well, you know, I
think all my questions were answered when I was listening
to the album. If you want to know the truth,
(05:19):
and these songs, Carly are all out there. You know,
I'm reading between the lines. I'm making up stuff in
my own mind. All all the songs just lay it
out there. Are you nervous about anybody hearing them for
the first time? You know? I this is what I know.
When I started in this industry five years ago and
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wrote every little thing, I was pouring my heart out
on a page to you, sharing my stories of what
I experienced. And every single song since then that has
had any kind of traction with me, I hope you're
happy now. An apology to somebody in my past, me
sharing the not so pretty side of something that I
did to someone. Fans know when I being real, and
(06:00):
fans know what I'm not, and I am just one
of those artists. I know. Some other artists may act
like things in their life have never happened. That's not
who I am, That's not how I do things. And
so I think when I approached this album, and especially
once we had twenty nine the EP finished, I knew
that there was more to the story and more was
(06:22):
just flowing out of me, and I just decided, you
know what, if people want to put a face to
this music, they can't now. And that's the first time
that that's ever happened to me, and that's a little
awkward for me. Um, But the biggest piece of my
duty as an artist, for my fans and for country
music is to do what I've always done and what
(06:43):
they expect of me, which is exactly what I did.
You mentioned one word that I think is a key word, flowing,
which song on the album actually started the rest of
the album flowing into place for you, dear miss Loretta.
That was the song that came after the EP and
I wrote it, and you know, I was just talking
(07:03):
about how much I loved Loretta, and I was like,
good lord, these songs like the Pill and even Tammy's
d I V O R c E. I'm like, okay,
I was like singing along with these as a child,
not really understanding what that meant, and now I'm like, baby,
do I know what that means now? And I just
(07:24):
I feel like when I wrote that song, and I
just you know, there are a few moments in this
album that are those did she really say that? Moments?
And I think like in that song, there's one at
the end, and I just it really just empowered me
as I was going to just who wants to make
an album that's kind of real but kind of not? Um,
(07:45):
I don't. And I think I just really decided I'm
kind of a I'm sure that you guys did this
by now, but like quick wit is kind of something
I love, and so I was like, why am I?
Why can't I just kind of laugh about what has
happened and have some fun with it? Um? And I
think once I wrote that, it just really started to
(08:05):
go there's more to this story and I need to
finish it and see it through. And I think in
real time, as I was writing this project, that's what
was happening to me. And so when you listen to
these songs, you kind of hear the the real time
writing of the last year and a half of my life,
a lot of great music. I'm really curious which song
(08:26):
for you? I ask you a couple of questions, Which
song for you makes you just feel the best, and
which one is the most healing for you personally? Which
one makes me feel the best? Um? I love easy going, Yeah,
I have then Isaac's and Sonya Isaac's on that of
the Isaac's family, I'm a huge bluegrass fan. I asked
(08:47):
them to be a part of it. They're friends of mine,
and it just feels fun and sassy, and I felt
like Sonia and I got to have just like a
girl moment um and I really got to show off
the bluegrass roots of my of my story and for
the first time, so that one is really fun. And
then the one that means the most to me. UM.
I ended the album with a song called Me and
(09:08):
at This Time, and I knew I wanted to end
the album with that one. And there's actually a lyric
in there that kind of ties a little bit into
why I named the album Written in Stone a little um,
but it says when I say forever, I want to
write it in stone, and UM. For me, I feel
like life and your words and your truth and your
actions should be written in stone. And that's pretty much
(09:30):
what has been the biggest lesson of the last year
and a half. And I'm so when I listened to
that song, it's so I cried pretty much every time
I try to sing it, just because I'm so hopeful
for that and I feel like I deserve to meet
the right person and I deserve to feel that love
that I know I deserved. UM. And that song, I
(09:53):
feel like leaves people because I take them on quite
the journey UM, and it leaves them understanding I'm not
jade it and I'm not a scorned woman, and I'm
not pissy, and that I actually desire love good. I
like Diamondback. And I looked at the co writes and
I see Kelsey Ballerini on there. I imagine that had
(10:13):
to be just kind of a girl party. So what's
funny about that song is she had actually started that
song with Shane McNally and tofer Brown, and she was
kind of writing it from what I understand as like
a story that of playing a character, and she kind
of just didn't really identify with where they were going.
And I think they had a little bit of like
(10:35):
pieces of it, but really the only part they had
was that post chorus, and she just kind of was like,
I don't know. And so Shane and she were talking,
and Kelsey and I are friends, and Kelsey knew what
I had gone through, and they were like, I kind
of think Carly might be into this. I decided to um,
took a listen to what they had and I mean
(10:58):
we rewrote everything pretty much except that post and it
was absolutely meant for me. And what I love about
this in so many ways, I feel like this is
my Natalie Maine's moment a little bit um, the way
she used to go off and Um, I am from Kentucky.
You know we can get a little crazy, um. And
(11:20):
I feel like this song is so empowering. And Kelsey
was so key for me in those beginning months, even
when everybody didn't know what was happening to me, And
to get to a place where we got to come
together and write this like super fun, kitchy sassy girls
song just shows how far I've come. So Kelsey Ballerini
(11:40):
was one of the first to know of Carly's breakup,
and Kelsey was the one who really encouraged Carly. Just
you know, own your situation, girl, you know, go ahead
and write about it all right. Well, when we come
back here on national Chats and amazing admission from Carly,
she has gone through so much embarrassment and pain and
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you went through. And I think it's good to not
pat yourself on the back, but to put it out
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the words you write in your songs, I love the
words you speak. And I think it was in a
(14:33):
People magazine interview or something you made a comment that
I thought was so good that you should I hope
I get it right. You said you should let your
life experiences refine you, not define you. Brilliant, brilliant, So
in what ways do you feel refined right now? I
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feel I feel great or purpose. You know, my faith
is a huge piece of my life, and it's really everything.
And I spent a lot of time trying to figure
out why God would honestly let this all happen to
me and where did I go wrong? And I think
what I've learned is he uses pain for purpose sometimes.
(15:18):
And I felt like this situation now as I'm getting
back out on the road and as I've been releasing
this music. It's giving a face and a name for
other people, men and women that are going through things
in life that maybe feel overwhelming, or feel embarrassing, or
feel like they've failed. And I now see that my
(15:42):
purpose as an artist but also as a woman is
so much richer and greater, and I actually really wouldn't
change it. I would go through it again because I
feel like I'm helping people and I can't I know,
I can't even believe I would say that to you,
but I really believe that I'm now helping people in
a that is so much more fulfilling to me than
(16:04):
just singing country songs that maybe I wrote, maybe I
didn't on a stage and being like, Hi, I'm Carly Pearson.
I'll try to kind of tell you about me. But
this is just much more fulfilling. You know, we touched
upon this the other day, but the magic of Dolly
partner invite you to be on the opera, then Tricia
Yearwood's involvement and so many other great things, the awards,
(16:25):
the hosting duties, um. All this came about at just
the right time, didn't it consider what all was going
on to talk about it? Wow, it's been um. It
makes me cry honestly to think about um where I
was a year and a half ago to the way
I feel like what I've always done in my life
(16:46):
is when even as a kid I didn't feel understood,
I ran to country music, and high school I ran
away to Dollywood to sing country music. UM. When I
first moved to Nashville, the thing that kept me going
in the moments where I didn't think it was ever
gonna happen, country music kept pulling me back. And I
feel like what this year taught me was country music
(17:07):
is right there as they always have been, and they
want to hug on me, and they and they they
want to help me, and I just feel like this
couldn't have happened to me at a more just pivotal
moment as a woman and as an artist. And I'm like,
oh my goodness, it's almost like I had to let
go to have so many things happened that we're good
(17:30):
and it's it's been really cool to see the way
that country music has just wrapped their arms around me.
You know, It's funny. I'm sitting here thinking. I remember
years ago when I was sitting in psychology class in college.
One of the things they said that, you know, if
you have a bad experience, then one thing you can
do to get over it is just kind of write
it all down, get it all out, Just write it out,
(17:52):
and then tear up that piece of paper, flush it,
burn it, whatever, and just let all those feelings go away.
But you can't do I mean, you're an artist. I mean,
you have an obligation. So was there ever a point
where you went, Damn, I can't just kind of go hide.
I have to put it out there. Yes, And I
(18:13):
tried to hide during quarantine. I would go to I mean,
and I'll be very honest, I had a lot of
anxiety developed um over um going at a grocery store
and somebody looking at me that maybe was just like,
oh I hate her hair, but I thought they were
looking at me like you failed. And I started to
(18:34):
kind of panic and was like, oh my god, these
people don't even know. And you know, there was a
lot of hate online of uh just calling what I
went through a publicity stunt and on all these things,
and it's like, no, that was actually my life um,
and I think for me again, Like I had a
moment of like maybe I could put out a happy
song and just act like this never happened. But that's
(18:55):
not the type of artist that I am. And I
knew that if I tried to do fans would go,
she's afraid. And I wasn't raised to be afraid. I
was raised by women and men that really told me
to stand up for myself and to not let people
walk on me and to have a voice. And so
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I feel like this is me going no. I'm going
to own my story and I'll sing it every night
because I can see in the crowd the girls and
the guys that need to hear it, so that I
can tell them, look at me right now, I know
you're crying, You're going to be okay. And I've had
people literally look at me and say are you sure,
(19:36):
and I say yes, and I can confidently tell them
they're going to be okay. You know, years ago, when
I was skipping class, I was walking my dog and
I'm just curious about Johnny and June. They're not on
the bus. My parents actually brought them to my show
in Kentucky yesterday. They were there. They don't. Johnny does
okay on the best. June's a little scared. Um, they are.
(19:59):
I got to right. She's my divorce gift. She was
the sweetest, most beautiful thing during the time when I
needed it the most. And my parents ended up getting Johnny,
her brother from the same litter, and they love each
other and my parents have had to keep her as
I'm on the road. Um, but my goodness it she
(20:21):
has brought me so much joy and so much good
and she and Johnny are just like my best friends.
I love them. They're not they're not really good on
the bus. Um. Johnny has taken a trip and he
did really well. June has come up on the bus
and she's kind of had um some accidents both times.
(20:43):
So the boys on my bus saying, no, June, until
you can figure it out, you can't come. And congratulations.
Look we know we gotta let you go. We know
that that you've got stuff to do. We can hear
music going on in the background. Um, congrats on the
Carly day and on everything that's happening, and on this
wonderful milestone, this work of art about life and love
(21:07):
and just getting through it all. Beautiful job. Yeah, thank
you so much. Be safe out there, Carly. Yeah, and
thank you again for you for connecting with us. We
appreciate you. Okay, anytime you guys know, I love you
so great to see you. Likewise, thank you. And you
know what we should have mentioned at the very top
of this interview that Carly was backstage. She was on
(21:29):
the road, I think, getting ready to do a show
somewhere in Iowa. And I don't know that you can
actually hear it on the podcast, but while we were
talking to her in my earphone, I could hear the
kick drum and I could hear, you know, people rehearsing. Hey,
I'll tell you something else to uh. We this was
our second go round because we, honestly, and I'll take
you behind the scenes, tried to do the interview like
(21:51):
what two days before, and she was so busy. I
think she was on her way to do Good Morning
America or had just done. She was in the car
trying to zoom in the car and it kept cooking
out when you're talking and she was trying to do that,
so it didn't work out. But thank you. She's a
sweetheart and I really wish her the best, really Wonderful
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got home from a week of double shifts and your
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and apply to multiple jobs in just one click. Start
your search at career builder dot com. Hello again, Lorian
and Charlie, Crik and Chase Nashville Chats this time around
with Miss Carly Pearce. The new album twenty nine Written
in Stone. This thing is such an amazing diary of
the past year and a half or so of her life.
(01:47):
Married to fellow star Michael Ray in October and literally
months later, about eight months later, she filed for divorce.
So this album is revealing a lot of the emotions,
or maybe I should say all of the emotions that
she has been feeling. So I think you're right. And
I was wondering about the title and first saw it
and it dawned on me. She was twenty nine years
(02:09):
old when all this happened, and that short span of time,
So twenty nine Written in Stone, And when I started
listening to the music, I'm going, whoa, this, Uh, this
is not what I expected, but she is really open
about it, and so was this conversation well. And one
thing we need to mention very quickly is that although
this relationship with Michael Ray is the freshest in our minds,
(02:30):
there have been other sort of dramatic relationships in her life,
such as mentioned in the song her first hit, every
Little Thing, and she says this album does comprise more
than just her relationship with Michael Ray. I think this
is a very revealing conversation with Carly Pierce. Check it out.
I want to start off by telling you something just
(02:50):
really really fast that you will relate to, and I
want to find out how you relate to it. I
know what a big timmy when at fan you are.
And years ago she told me this amazing story about
her decision to break up with Jones and her her
situation was different because you know, she had kids and
(03:11):
her career was at the time completely tied to him.
But she was so sad and so depressed, and she
was got her daughter from school or somewhere and brought
her home. They walked into the house and as usual,
she didn't turn on any like. She threw the keys
on the table and just closed the drapes and went
to sit on the couch and her daughter said, gee, Mommy,
(03:35):
it's so dark since daddy's been gone. She said that
was the moment that changed her perspective and snapped her
out of it. So did you have a similar moment
where you know you're depressed, you're upset, but something changed
(03:55):
the way you wanted to think about it. I can't
really recall an exact moment, but I will tell you
that I think, um, more than anything, the lingering piece
of all of it for me was kind of being
mad at myself more than anything, of not realizing this
(04:16):
was what was going to happen. UM. And I think
once I got to a place of forgiving myself, you know,
because I had been somebody that was always like, I'm
gonna wait, and I'm gonna wait for the right person,
and i'm gonna get my career going, and I'm gonna,
you know, get all of that right and I'll know.
And I think I had to get to this place
(04:36):
where I forgave myself because I had to also realize
the moment. I think it was like the moment that
I realized I got married for the right intentions and
I really did feel that way, and when I stood
up there, I was proclaiming and promise you exactly what
I met. And I think once I got to a
(04:58):
place where I that was where my mind switch and
I went, this isn't you didn't mess up your life.
You just got into a situation that wasn't the best
one for you. And as soon as I figured that out,
it was very easy to leave. Well, you know, I
think all my questions were answered when I was listening
to the album. If you want to know the truth,
(05:19):
and these songs, Carly are all out there. You know,
I'm reading between the lines. I'm making up stuff in
my own mind. All all the songs just lay it
out there. Are you nervous about anybody hearing them for
the first time? You know? I this is what I know.
When I started in this industry five years ago and
(05:39):
wrote every little thing, I was pouring my heart out
on a page to you, sharing my stories of what
I experienced. And every single song since then that has
had any kind of traction with me, I hope you're
happy now. An apology to somebody in my past, me
sharing the not so pretty side of something that I
did to someone. Fans know when I being real, and
(06:00):
fans know what I'm not, and I am just one
of those artists. I know. Some other artists may act
like things in their life have never happened. That's not
who I am, That's not how I do things. And
so I think when I approached this album, and especially
once we had twenty nine the EP finished, I knew
that there was more to the story and more was
(06:22):
just flowing out of me, and I just decided, you
know what, if people want to put a face to
this music, they can't now. And that's the first time
that that's ever happened to me, and that's a little
awkward for me. Um, But the biggest piece of my
duty as an artist, for my fans and for country
music is to do what I've always done and what
(06:43):
they expect of me, which is exactly what I did.
You mentioned one word that I think is a key word, flowing,
which song on the album actually started the rest of
the album flowing into place for you, dear miss Loretta.
That was the song that came after the EP and
I wrote it, and you know, I was just talking
(07:03):
about how much I loved Loretta, and I was like,
good lord, these songs like the Pill and even Tammy's
d I V O R c E. I'm like, okay,
I was like singing along with these as a child,
not really understanding what that meant, and now I'm like, baby,
do I know what that means now? And I just
(07:24):
I feel like when I wrote that song, and I
just you know, there are a few moments in this
album that are those did she really say that? Moments?
And I think like in that song, there's one at
the end, and I just it really just empowered me
as I was going to just who wants to make
an album that's kind of real but kind of not? Um,
(07:45):
I don't. And I think I just really decided I'm
kind of a I'm sure that you guys did this
by now, but like quick wit is kind of something
I love, and so I was like, why am I?
Why can't I just kind of laugh about what has
happened and have some fun with it? Um? And I
think once I wrote that, it just really started to
(08:05):
go there's more to this story and I need to
finish it and see it through. And I think in
real time, as I was writing this project, that's what
was happening to me. And so when you listen to
these songs, you kind of hear the the real time
writing of the last year and a half of my life,
a lot of great music. I'm really curious which song
(08:26):
for you? I ask you a couple of questions, Which
song for you makes you just feel the best, and
which one is the most healing for you personally? Which
one makes me feel the best? Um? I love easy going, Yeah,
I have then Isaac's and Sonya Isaac's on that of
the Isaac's family, I'm a huge bluegrass fan. I asked
(08:47):
them to be a part of it. They're friends of mine,
and it just feels fun and sassy, and I felt
like Sonia and I got to have just like a
girl moment um and I really got to show off
the bluegrass roots of my of my story and for
the first time, so that one is really fun. And
then the one that means the most to me. UM.
I ended the album with a song called Me and
(09:08):
at This Time, and I knew I wanted to end
the album with that one. And there's actually a lyric
in there that kind of ties a little bit into
why I named the album Written in Stone a little um,
but it says when I say forever, I want to
write it in stone, and UM. For me, I feel
like life and your words and your truth and your
actions should be written in stone. And that's pretty much
(09:30):
what has been the biggest lesson of the last year
and a half. And I'm so when I listened to
that song, it's so I cried pretty much every time
I try to sing it, just because I'm so hopeful
for that and I feel like I deserve to meet
the right person and I deserve to feel that love
that I know I deserved. UM. And that song, I
(09:53):
feel like leaves people because I take them on quite
the journey UM, and it leaves them understanding I'm not
jade it and I'm not a scorned woman, and I'm
not pissy, and that I actually desire love good. I
like Diamondback. And I looked at the co writes and
I see Kelsey Ballerini on there. I imagine that had
(10:13):
to be just kind of a girl party. So what's
funny about that song is she had actually started that
song with Shane McNally and tofer Brown, and she was
kind of writing it from what I understand as like
a story that of playing a character, and she kind
of just didn't really identify with where they were going.
And I think they had a little bit of like
(10:35):
pieces of it, but really the only part they had
was that post chorus, and she just kind of was like,
I don't know. And so Shane and she were talking,
and Kelsey and I are friends, and Kelsey knew what
I had gone through, and they were like, I kind
of think Carly might be into this. I decided to um,
took a listen to what they had and I mean
(10:58):
we rewrote everything pretty much except that post and it
was absolutely meant for me. And what I love about
this in so many ways, I feel like this is
my Natalie Maine's moment a little bit um, the way
she used to go off and Um, I am from Kentucky.
You know we can get a little crazy, um. And
(11:20):
I feel like this song is so empowering. And Kelsey
was so key for me in those beginning months, even
when everybody didn't know what was happening to me, And
to get to a place where we got to come
together and write this like super fun, kitchy sassy girls
song just shows how far I've come. So Kelsey Ballerini
(11:40):
was one of the first to know of Carly's breakup,
and Kelsey was the one who really encouraged Carly. Just
you know, own your situation, girl, you know, go ahead
and write about it all right. Well, when we come
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you went through. And I think it's good to not
pat yourself on the back, but to put it out
there so other people can kind of hear what it takes.
Like I don't know. I always look at like this,
like what do I want? I wanted to be at
w W WE Superstar, all right, what does it take
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People magazine interview or something you made a comment that
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I get it right. You said you should let your
life experiences refine you, not define you. Brilliant, brilliant, So
in what ways do you feel refined right now? I
(14:54):
feel I feel great or purpose. You know, my faith
is a huge piece of my life, and it's really everything.
And I spent a lot of time trying to figure
out why God would honestly let this all happen to
me and where did I go wrong? And I think
what I've learned is he uses pain for purpose sometimes.
(15:18):
And I felt like this situation now as I'm getting
back out on the road and as I've been releasing
this music. It's giving a face and a name for
other people, men and women that are going through things
in life that maybe feel overwhelming, or feel embarrassing, or
feel like they've failed. And I now see that my
(15:42):
purpose as an artist but also as a woman is
so much richer and greater, and I actually really wouldn't
change it. I would go through it again because I
feel like I'm helping people and I can't I know,
I can't even believe I would say that to you,
but I really believe that I'm now helping people in
a that is so much more fulfilling to me than
(16:04):
just singing country songs that maybe I wrote, maybe I
didn't on a stage and being like, Hi, I'm Carly Pearson.
I'll try to kind of tell you about me. But
this is just much more fulfilling. You know, we touched
upon this the other day, but the magic of Dolly
partner invite you to be on the opera, then Tricia
Yearwood's involvement and so many other great things, the awards,
(16:25):
the hosting duties, um. All this came about at just
the right time, didn't it consider what all was going
on to talk about it? Wow, it's been um. It
makes me cry honestly to think about um where I
was a year and a half ago to the way
I feel like what I've always done in my life
(16:46):
is when even as a kid I didn't feel understood,
I ran to country music, and high school I ran
away to Dollywood to sing country music. UM. When I
first moved to Nashville, the thing that kept me going
in the moments where I didn't think it was ever
gonna happen, country music kept pulling me back. And I
feel like what this year taught me was country music
(17:07):
is right there as they always have been, and they
want to hug on me, and they and they they
want to help me, and I just feel like this
couldn't have happened to me at a more just pivotal
moment as a woman and as an artist. And I'm like,
oh my goodness, it's almost like I had to let
go to have so many things happened that we're good
(17:30):
and it's it's been really cool to see the way
that country music has just wrapped their arms around me.
You know, It's funny. I'm sitting here thinking. I remember
years ago when I was sitting in psychology class in college.
One of the things they said that, you know, if
you have a bad experience, then one thing you can
do to get over it is just kind of write
it all down, get it all out, Just write it out,
(17:52):
and then tear up that piece of paper, flush it,
burn it, whatever, and just let all those feelings go away.
But you can't do I mean, you're an artist. I mean,
you have an obligation. So was there ever a point
where you went, Damn, I can't just kind of go hide.
I have to put it out there. Yes, And I
(18:13):
tried to hide during quarantine. I would go to I mean,
and I'll be very honest, I had a lot of
anxiety developed um over um going at a grocery store
and somebody looking at me that maybe was just like,
oh I hate her hair, but I thought they were
looking at me like you failed. And I started to
(18:34):
kind of panic and was like, oh my god, these
people don't even know. And you know, there was a
lot of hate online of uh just calling what I
went through a publicity stunt and on all these things,
and it's like, no, that was actually my life um,
and I think for me again, Like I had a
moment of like maybe I could put out a happy
song and just act like this never happened. But that's
(18:55):
not the type of artist that I am. And I
knew that if I tried to do fans would go,
she's afraid. And I wasn't raised to be afraid. I
was raised by women and men that really told me
to stand up for myself and to not let people
walk on me and to have a voice. And so
(19:16):
I feel like this is me going no. I'm going
to own my story and I'll sing it every night
because I can see in the crowd the girls and
the guys that need to hear it, so that I
can tell them, look at me right now, I know
you're crying, You're going to be okay. And I've had
people literally look at me and say are you sure,
(19:36):
and I say yes, and I can confidently tell them
they're going to be okay. You know, years ago, when
I was skipping class, I was walking my dog and
I'm just curious about Johnny and June. They're not on
the bus. My parents actually brought them to my show
in Kentucky yesterday. They were there. They don't. Johnny does
okay on the best. June's a little scared. Um, they are.
(19:59):
I got to right. She's my divorce gift. She was
the sweetest, most beautiful thing during the time when I
needed it the most. And my parents ended up getting Johnny,
her brother from the same litter, and they love each
other and my parents have had to keep her as
I'm on the road. Um, but my goodness it she
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has brought me so much joy and so much good
and she and Johnny are just like my best friends.
I love them. They're not they're not really good on
the bus. Um. Johnny has taken a trip and he
did really well. June has come up on the bus
and she's kind of had um some accidents both times.
(20:43):
So the boys on my bus saying, no, June, until
you can figure it out, you can't come. And congratulations.
Look we know we gotta let you go. We know
that that you've got stuff to do. We can hear
music going on in the background. Um, congrats on the
Carly day and on everything that's happening, and on this
wonderful milestone, this work of art about life and love
(21:07):
and just getting through it all. Beautiful job. Yeah, thank
you so much. Be safe out there, Carly. Yeah, and
thank you again for you for connecting with us. We
appreciate you. Okay, anytime you guys know, I love you
so great to see you. Likewise, thank you. And you
know what we should have mentioned at the very top
of this interview that Carly was backstage. She was on
(21:29):
the road, I think, getting ready to do a show
somewhere in Iowa. And I don't know that you can
actually hear it on the podcast, but while we were
talking to her in my earphone, I could hear the
kick drum and I could hear, you know, people rehearsing. Hey,
I'll tell you something else to uh. We this was
our second go round because we, honestly, and I'll take
you behind the scenes, tried to do the interview like
(21:51):
what two days before, and she was so busy. I
think she was on her way to do Good Morning
America or had just done. She was in the car
trying to zoom in the car and it kept cooking
out when you're talking and she was trying to do that,
so it didn't work out. But thank you. She's a
sweetheart and I really wish her the best, really Wonderful
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