October 2, 2025 • 10 mins
What did her nephew REALLY see?!?
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
He dummy. If you get free roses, it's a trap.
War of the Roses starts.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Right now on John Jay and Ridge.
Speaker 3 (00:08):
What O four to seven Kiss FM. John Dane Rich's
time for War of the Roses. You think so much
cheating on you, you come to us. We're going to help
you find out if it's happening for real or not.
Good morning, Claudia.
Speaker 4 (00:18):
Hey, I'm really sure. I'm frustrated right now. I don't
even really know what to do. The last couple of weeks,
my boyfriend has just been acting really off, and I
like haven't gone digging through his phone or like anything
like that. It's just this like gut feeling thing that
I just can't shake.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
So yeah, I don't.
Speaker 4 (00:41):
I don't know. The other internet we were we were
taking my eight year old nephew to the like State Fair.
My boyfriend's in the passenger seat, and halfway through the ride,
my nephew blurts out, Jeremiah, who's that girl you keep
looking at like on his phone and the way that
he like froze and like thought weird, And I'm just like,
(01:01):
what the hell's going on? Why did an eight year
old have to call it out before I even noticed,
and I'm like, hey, what's what's up? And he's like
all defensive and he tends to do that and he's caught.
So I just like need to know what's going on.
Speaker 1 (01:14):
Jeremiah needs to have a faster response.
Speaker 3 (01:17):
Well, son, nephew, that that's mother Teresa. She's a very
famous nun. Why she wearing that bra? Jeremiah, Oh, mother Teresa.
Oh it's not a bra. That is called a What
are the nuns? What's a charity give hack? Jeredy Hammick anyway?
Speaker 1 (01:34):
All right, Okay, so that just gave you bad vibes.
Speaker 5 (01:39):
Yeah, I mean I think anytime someone gets like defensive
about a simple question like that, the red flags sort
of pop up, like what's really going on here?
Speaker 1 (01:49):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (01:49):
Definitely. And like, Clyde, did you like when your white
friend walked away or he wasn't around anymore? Like, did
you ask your nephew what he saw? Because I feel
like that's what I would do.
Speaker 4 (02:01):
Well, I didn't, to be honest, I didn't really want
to like get him more involved, but yeah.
Speaker 7 (02:08):
I don't know it would bug me because you're on
your way to do something anyway. So is he so
attached to this person. He can't go to the fair
without checking up on this girl.
Speaker 6 (02:20):
Right, But I'm also like wondering, like what if he's
just scrolling on Instagram and is scrolling and zooming and
the nephew looks over his shoulder and it's like, you know,
kids have no filter, you know, they don't.
Speaker 7 (02:30):
Know said why you keep looking at that girl?
Speaker 5 (02:32):
Well, it could have been like you know how like Instagram,
when you're going through and you're just scrolling, there's some
people that like pop up that you don't follow, they're
suggested people to follow. Like what if it was a
suggested person to follow and he's like, oh, this is interesting,
or like maybe it wasn't about the girl.
Speaker 6 (02:48):
Maybe it was a good looking girl and.
Speaker 5 (02:49):
He was being totally shady. But on the like this
Devil's advocate here, like he sees this captain, Oh, how
to you know, woo your girlfriend? And he clicks on
our page and then there's all these pictures of her.
Maybe could be something like that.
Speaker 1 (03:01):
It's coming up with innocent things, which is truly innocent,
but it also might be well son, because I'm banging her.
Speaker 5 (03:07):
Yeah, I'm trying to the Defensiveness doesn't help that's for sure, right.
Speaker 3 (03:13):
All right, Claudia, So you want us to call your
boyfriend and see who he sends flowers too? You're okay
with that? Yeah, okay, all right, hold on the line. Okay,
we're gonna get him on the line. We're gonna find
out who he sends flowers to.
Speaker 1 (03:23):
Are you ready, Kyle? I'm right all right? Uh.
Speaker 3 (03:27):
War the Roses continues next with John Jaye Rich John
Jay and Rich John Jane Rich.
Speaker 1 (03:31):
We are in the middle of War the Roses. You
got Claudia.
Speaker 3 (03:34):
Claudia is concerned that her boyfriend Jeremiah is cheating on
her because their eight year old nephew said, what do
you keep looking at that girl on your phone for?
I'm assuming Claudia was driving. They were going to the
State Fair and he was looking at something. So now
she's concerned that's a red flag? Am all right, Claudia?
Speaker 1 (03:52):
Yeah, okay, we're gonna get Jeremiah on the phone. Seeho
sends flowers too? Are you ready, Kyle and Funck, I'm ready.
Let's go.
Speaker 5 (04:08):
Hello, Hi, there is Jeremiah available.
Speaker 7 (04:12):
Speaking perfect Hi.
Speaker 5 (04:14):
So my name is Charlie and with a new company
we're called Jan R. Flowers, and we're doing this really
cool promotion on Instagram. It's called post for Pedals, And
basically what this means for you, Jeremiah, is you get
to send a most romantic booquet of roses to whoever
you want, and it's totally free. We just kind of
hope that you give us some love on whichever social
media platform you use the most, hopefully Instagram, but either
way it works. It's up to you wherever you do
(04:35):
it or don't. We're not going to come hunch you
down or anything like that.
Speaker 2 (04:39):
Are you any change me for shipping or something like that.
Speaker 5 (04:42):
No, I'm not going to get any personal information. I'm
not going to send you a bill. I won't ask
for a credit card or anything like that. We really
are kind of just looking for the social media marketing,
so we really want you to have the best experience possible.
The only real information that I would need from you
is I'm going to send the roses out.
Speaker 1 (04:58):
It's our beautiful bouquet.
Speaker 5 (05:01):
It's a dozen red roses, crystal vase. It's really romantic,
so it kind of sends a message on its own,
but I like for you to be able to personalize that,
so we'll send it out with a card. If you
let me know the message you want to write on
the card, we can talk name and address and I'll
give you a time that it's sent out.
Speaker 1 (05:16):
Sure, what do you mean? First?
Speaker 5 (05:18):
So whatever message you want to write, Like I said,
you know it's it's a pure passion bouquet. So if
you're thinking of someone special in your life, just whatever
message you want on that card, and then, like I said,
name address, and then a time. So just start with
the message, Hey babe, just thinking about you?
Speaker 2 (05:38):
Yeah, okay, that's.
Speaker 5 (05:39):
Sweet, thinking about you. Do you want like a love Jeremiah.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
Or what sort of Yeah, that sounds perfect.
Speaker 6 (05:47):
Okay, loved Jeremiah.
Speaker 5 (05:50):
And then who did you want me to address this to.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
My girlfriend Claudia?
Speaker 5 (05:55):
Claudia? Okay, we can get this to Claudia?
Speaker 4 (05:58):
Probably friends, really sweet flowers on a race? How shady's
been place? Don't I fall romantic now? While you're being
weird for weeks? And again, honest, when your whole starchits
through his white place? Why is your vibe completely off?
Speaker 2 (06:09):
Claudia? Wait? Are you curious right now?
Speaker 5 (06:13):
Like?
Speaker 2 (06:15):
I don't even know what to say, Jeremiah, you're on
the radio.
Speaker 4 (06:18):
So what's crazy? Is me sitting here presenting everything's fine
on my gut is like screaming at me that something's up.
So Jesse called you out in the car. You literally said,
who's that girl you keeps looking at? And you froze.
You've got a weird Jeremiah, who is she?
Speaker 2 (06:32):
Claudia? You're blowing this way, way, way out of proportion,
like there isn't anyone else.
Speaker 4 (06:39):
Okay, But like then, why are you deleting everything? Why
are you acting like a stranger in her house? Don't
sit there and like gaslight me? What are you doing?
Answer the question?
Speaker 1 (06:48):
Fine? What's the truth?
Speaker 2 (06:52):
I was looking at my ax from high school is
a baby? I don't know. I just got curious. I
wanted to you know what serious?
Speaker 4 (07:00):
Well, ten years ago, dude, you've been sneaking around wiping
your history clean so you can creep on some girl
you dated when you were seventeen?
Speaker 3 (07:08):
Do you know?
Speaker 4 (07:09):
Awpathetic?
Speaker 7 (07:09):
That sounds.
Speaker 2 (07:11):
Like you couldn't just like that, like you know, like,
oh yeah, it was I thinking about, like, yeah, what
life used to be like and where people in my
life are, And you know, I just looked at somebody
I knew it's not anything that deep. I don't know
why you're like losing your mind over this and.
Speaker 4 (07:28):
Losing my mind. You're hu or whatever.
Speaker 2 (07:30):
They're taking me on the radio. They're just talking to
me normally.
Speaker 3 (07:33):
Hey, I think she jump in really quick, disrespectful. So yeah, Jeremiah,
you're on the radio. You're on John J. Rich Ward
the Rosa. She thought you were a cheating on you.
I have to say, I could. I can see it
both ways.
Speaker 5 (07:44):
Yeah, I mean, I can definitely go down that road
of like, oh wow, I wonder what they're doing, Oh,
they just had a baby, while let me look at
the other pictures.
Speaker 1 (07:51):
Totally right.
Speaker 5 (07:51):
But then when you're asked about it, don't be shady.
Speaker 4 (07:54):
And like Hiday.
Speaker 3 (07:55):
But I could see you panicking and be like, oh
my god, why why am I looking at her white wife?
Speaker 7 (07:58):
It'd be hard to explain if she he's already kind
of coming after you.
Speaker 5 (08:03):
But you know why that makes you look more guilty.
Speaker 7 (08:06):
Yeah, but I think everybody has a little bit of
that freeze in them. You know, you don't want to.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
I just I just popped up on my feet and
then I got curious and I looked at what was
going on. You know, I think it's normal over im
and it's about what your life used to be like
and who he used to know and what.
Speaker 5 (08:24):
Yeah, I think it's the reaction, not necessarily the action.
It was the reaction to getting questioned about it.
Speaker 7 (08:30):
But it doesn't sound like he's cheating. Just sounds like
he you know, he's better tact.
Speaker 2 (08:35):
No, he's just wishing. I just want, you know, a
click on thing. I clicked into a few other things.
You don't know where you're gonna end up.
Speaker 6 (08:43):
Yeah, I totally get that, you know, but I think
like we're all saying, is like, as soon as your
nephew says, hey, who is I just be like, Oh,
isn't this crazy?
Speaker 1 (08:50):
I asked my first love.
Speaker 5 (08:52):
No, don't have to say that, Just say oh, this
girl I know from high school. You could have been
totally diffused that moment.
Speaker 3 (09:01):
I don't know how I feel if I saw my
wife on Instagram looking at her ex boyfriend.
Speaker 1 (09:05):
Scrolling and stalking, be weird, though it would be weird.
Speaker 5 (09:10):
You know, also be the weird when you're like, who's that?
Speaker 2 (09:14):
It's just nothing like strap.
Speaker 3 (09:18):
Well, it depends on your fetish.
Speaker 7 (09:23):
I have that one doesn't think he's not sure.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
I mean, I think.
Speaker 5 (09:28):
There's like a lesson to be learned here, and it's
just what we always say communication. Communication could have totally
made this not into a situation at all.
Speaker 7 (09:38):
The wrong answer is always for making you feel bad.
Speaker 3 (09:42):
But like, there you go.
Speaker 2 (09:44):
It was just a random click hole that I went down.
I didn't I didn't mean to get this all up
in your head. That's not the intention here. It's just
something popped up with my feet.
Speaker 5 (09:52):
I click.
Speaker 1 (09:52):
That's I'm not familiar with.
Speaker 7 (09:58):
It's like click hole, and then you end up on
conspiracy theories every time.
Speaker 5 (10:05):
I like click hole because it's true.
Speaker 4 (10:07):
It's really literal.
Speaker 3 (10:10):
Claud have you accept his apology, understand he's coming from.
Speaker 4 (10:15):
Yeah, but don't do it again, man, I swear.
Speaker 2 (10:18):
I ask you guys a serious question. Are you actually
going to send the flowers? Because I think I'm gonna
need this for you?
Speaker 1 (10:24):
Sure?
Speaker 5 (10:24):
Why not?
Speaker 6 (10:25):
I'm like, might as well you need them?
Speaker 1 (10:29):
All right, you guys, thanks for jumping on the air
with us.
Speaker 2 (10:33):
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (10:34):
That's War of the Roses with John dad Rich
He dummy. If you get free roses, it's a trap.
War of the Roses starts.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Right now on John Jay and Ridge.
Speaker 3 (00:08):
What O four to seven Kiss FM. John Dane Rich's
time for War of the Roses. You think so much
cheating on you, you come to us. We're going to help
you find out if it's happening for real or not.
Good morning, Claudia.
Speaker 4 (00:18):
Hey, I'm really sure. I'm frustrated right now. I don't
even really know what to do. The last couple of weeks,
my boyfriend has just been acting really off, and I
like haven't gone digging through his phone or like anything
like that. It's just this like gut feeling thing that
I just can't shake.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
So yeah, I don't.
Speaker 4 (00:41):
I don't know. The other internet we were we were
taking my eight year old nephew to the like State Fair.
My boyfriend's in the passenger seat, and halfway through the ride,
my nephew blurts out, Jeremiah, who's that girl you keep
looking at like on his phone and the way that
he like froze and like thought weird, And I'm just like,
(01:01):
what the hell's going on? Why did an eight year
old have to call it out before I even noticed,
and I'm like, hey, what's what's up? And he's like
all defensive and he tends to do that and he's caught.
So I just like need to know what's going on.
Speaker 1 (01:14):
Jeremiah needs to have a faster response.
Speaker 3 (01:17):
Well, son, nephew, that that's mother Teresa. She's a very
famous nun. Why she wearing that bra? Jeremiah, Oh, mother Teresa.
Oh it's not a bra. That is called a What
are the nuns? What's a charity give hack? Jeredy Hammick anyway?
Speaker 1 (01:34):
All right, Okay, so that just gave you bad vibes.
Speaker 5 (01:39):
Yeah, I mean I think anytime someone gets like defensive
about a simple question like that, the red flags sort
of pop up, like what's really going on here?
Speaker 1 (01:49):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (01:49):
Definitely. And like, Clyde, did you like when your white
friend walked away or he wasn't around anymore? Like, did
you ask your nephew what he saw? Because I feel
like that's what I would do.
Speaker 4 (02:01):
Well, I didn't, to be honest, I didn't really want
to like get him more involved, but yeah.
Speaker 7 (02:08):
I don't know it would bug me because you're on
your way to do something anyway. So is he so
attached to this person. He can't go to the fair
without checking up on this girl.
Speaker 6 (02:20):
Right, But I'm also like wondering, like what if he's
just scrolling on Instagram and is scrolling and zooming and
the nephew looks over his shoulder and it's like, you know,
kids have no filter, you know, they don't.
Speaker 7 (02:30):
Know said why you keep looking at that girl?
Speaker 5 (02:32):
Well, it could have been like you know how like Instagram,
when you're going through and you're just scrolling, there's some
people that like pop up that you don't follow, they're
suggested people to follow. Like what if it was a
suggested person to follow and he's like, oh, this is interesting,
or like maybe it wasn't about the girl.
Speaker 6 (02:48):
Maybe it was a good looking girl and.
Speaker 5 (02:49):
He was being totally shady. But on the like this
Devil's advocate here, like he sees this captain, Oh, how
to you know, woo your girlfriend? And he clicks on
our page and then there's all these pictures of her.
Maybe could be something like that.
Speaker 1 (03:01):
It's coming up with innocent things, which is truly innocent,
but it also might be well son, because I'm banging her.
Speaker 5 (03:07):
Yeah, I'm trying to the Defensiveness doesn't help that's for sure, right.
Speaker 3 (03:13):
All right, Claudia, So you want us to call your
boyfriend and see who he sends flowers too? You're okay
with that? Yeah, okay, all right, hold on the line. Okay,
we're gonna get him on the line. We're gonna find
out who he sends flowers to.
Speaker 1 (03:23):
Are you ready, Kyle? I'm right all right? Uh.
Speaker 3 (03:27):
War the Roses continues next with John Jaye Rich John
Jay and Rich John Jane Rich.
Speaker 1 (03:31):
We are in the middle of War the Roses. You
got Claudia.
Speaker 3 (03:34):
Claudia is concerned that her boyfriend Jeremiah is cheating on
her because their eight year old nephew said, what do
you keep looking at that girl on your phone for?
I'm assuming Claudia was driving. They were going to the
State Fair and he was looking at something. So now
she's concerned that's a red flag? Am all right, Claudia?
Speaker 1 (03:52):
Yeah, okay, we're gonna get Jeremiah on the phone. Seeho
sends flowers too? Are you ready, Kyle and Funck, I'm ready.
Let's go.
Speaker 5 (04:08):
Hello, Hi, there is Jeremiah available.
Speaker 7 (04:12):
Speaking perfect Hi.
Speaker 5 (04:14):
So my name is Charlie and with a new company
we're called Jan R. Flowers, and we're doing this really
cool promotion on Instagram. It's called post for Pedals, And
basically what this means for you, Jeremiah, is you get
to send a most romantic booquet of roses to whoever
you want, and it's totally free. We just kind of
hope that you give us some love on whichever social
media platform you use the most, hopefully Instagram, but either
way it works. It's up to you wherever you do
(04:35):
it or don't. We're not going to come hunch you
down or anything like that.
Speaker 2 (04:39):
Are you any change me for shipping or something like that.
Speaker 5 (04:42):
No, I'm not going to get any personal information. I'm
not going to send you a bill. I won't ask
for a credit card or anything like that. We really
are kind of just looking for the social media marketing,
so we really want you to have the best experience possible.
The only real information that I would need from you
is I'm going to send the roses out.
Speaker 1 (04:58):
It's our beautiful bouquet.
Speaker 5 (05:01):
It's a dozen red roses, crystal vase. It's really romantic,
so it kind of sends a message on its own,
but I like for you to be able to personalize that,
so we'll send it out with a card. If you
let me know the message you want to write on
the card, we can talk name and address and I'll
give you a time that it's sent out.
Speaker 1 (05:16):
Sure, what do you mean? First?
Speaker 5 (05:18):
So whatever message you want to write, Like I said,
you know it's it's a pure passion bouquet. So if
you're thinking of someone special in your life, just whatever
message you want on that card, and then, like I said,
name address, and then a time. So just start with
the message, Hey babe, just thinking about you?
Speaker 2 (05:38):
Yeah, okay, that's.
Speaker 5 (05:39):
Sweet, thinking about you. Do you want like a love Jeremiah.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
Or what sort of Yeah, that sounds perfect.
Speaker 6 (05:47):
Okay, loved Jeremiah.
Speaker 5 (05:50):
And then who did you want me to address this to.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
My girlfriend Claudia?
Speaker 5 (05:55):
Claudia? Okay, we can get this to Claudia?
Speaker 4 (05:58):
Probably friends, really sweet flowers on a race? How shady's
been place? Don't I fall romantic now? While you're being
weird for weeks? And again, honest, when your whole starchits
through his white place? Why is your vibe completely off?
Speaker 2 (06:09):
Claudia? Wait? Are you curious right now?
Speaker 5 (06:13):
Like?
Speaker 2 (06:15):
I don't even know what to say, Jeremiah, you're on
the radio.
Speaker 4 (06:18):
So what's crazy? Is me sitting here presenting everything's fine
on my gut is like screaming at me that something's up.
So Jesse called you out in the car. You literally said,
who's that girl you keeps looking at? And you froze.
You've got a weird Jeremiah, who is she?
Speaker 2 (06:32):
Claudia? You're blowing this way, way, way out of proportion,
like there isn't anyone else.
Speaker 4 (06:39):
Okay, But like then, why are you deleting everything? Why
are you acting like a stranger in her house? Don't
sit there and like gaslight me? What are you doing?
Answer the question?
Speaker 1 (06:48):
Fine? What's the truth?
Speaker 2 (06:52):
I was looking at my ax from high school is
a baby? I don't know. I just got curious. I
wanted to you know what serious?
Speaker 4 (07:00):
Well, ten years ago, dude, you've been sneaking around wiping
your history clean so you can creep on some girl
you dated when you were seventeen?
Speaker 3 (07:08):
Do you know?
Speaker 4 (07:09):
Awpathetic?
Speaker 7 (07:09):
That sounds.
Speaker 2 (07:11):
Like you couldn't just like that, like you know, like,
oh yeah, it was I thinking about, like, yeah, what
life used to be like and where people in my
life are, And you know, I just looked at somebody
I knew it's not anything that deep. I don't know
why you're like losing your mind over this and.
Speaker 4 (07:28):
Losing my mind. You're hu or whatever.
Speaker 2 (07:30):
They're taking me on the radio. They're just talking to
me normally.
Speaker 3 (07:33):
Hey, I think she jump in really quick, disrespectful. So yeah, Jeremiah,
you're on the radio. You're on John J. Rich Ward
the Rosa. She thought you were a cheating on you.
I have to say, I could. I can see it
both ways.
Speaker 5 (07:44):
Yeah, I mean, I can definitely go down that road
of like, oh wow, I wonder what they're doing, Oh,
they just had a baby, while let me look at
the other pictures.
Speaker 1 (07:51):
Totally right.
Speaker 5 (07:51):
But then when you're asked about it, don't be shady.
Speaker 4 (07:54):
And like Hiday.
Speaker 3 (07:55):
But I could see you panicking and be like, oh
my god, why why am I looking at her white wife?
Speaker 7 (07:58):
It'd be hard to explain if she he's already kind
of coming after you.
Speaker 5 (08:03):
But you know why that makes you look more guilty.
Speaker 7 (08:06):
Yeah, but I think everybody has a little bit of
that freeze in them. You know, you don't want to.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
I just I just popped up on my feet and
then I got curious and I looked at what was
going on. You know, I think it's normal over im
and it's about what your life used to be like
and who he used to know and what.
Speaker 5 (08:24):
Yeah, I think it's the reaction, not necessarily the action.
It was the reaction to getting questioned about it.
Speaker 7 (08:30):
But it doesn't sound like he's cheating. Just sounds like
he you know, he's better tact.
Speaker 2 (08:35):
No, he's just wishing. I just want, you know, a
click on thing. I clicked into a few other things.
You don't know where you're gonna end up.
Speaker 6 (08:43):
Yeah, I totally get that, you know, but I think
like we're all saying, is like, as soon as your
nephew says, hey, who is I just be like, Oh,
isn't this crazy?
Speaker 1 (08:50):
I asked my first love.
Speaker 5 (08:52):
No, don't have to say that, Just say oh, this
girl I know from high school. You could have been
totally diffused that moment.
Speaker 3 (09:01):
I don't know how I feel if I saw my
wife on Instagram looking at her ex boyfriend.
Speaker 1 (09:05):
Scrolling and stalking, be weird, though it would be weird.
Speaker 5 (09:10):
You know, also be the weird when you're like, who's that?
Speaker 2 (09:14):
It's just nothing like strap.
Speaker 3 (09:18):
Well, it depends on your fetish.
Speaker 7 (09:23):
I have that one doesn't think he's not sure.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
I mean, I think.
Speaker 5 (09:28):
There's like a lesson to be learned here, and it's
just what we always say communication. Communication could have totally
made this not into a situation at all.
Speaker 7 (09:38):
The wrong answer is always for making you feel bad.
Speaker 3 (09:42):
But like, there you go.
Speaker 2 (09:44):
It was just a random click hole that I went down.
I didn't I didn't mean to get this all up
in your head. That's not the intention here. It's just
something popped up with my feet.
Speaker 5 (09:52):
I click.
Speaker 1 (09:52):
That's I'm not familiar with.
Speaker 7 (09:58):
It's like click hole, and then you end up on
conspiracy theories every time.
Speaker 5 (10:05):
I like click hole because it's true.
Speaker 4 (10:07):
It's really literal.
Speaker 3 (10:10):
Claud have you accept his apology, understand he's coming from.
Speaker 4 (10:15):
Yeah, but don't do it again, man, I swear.
Speaker 2 (10:18):
I ask you guys a serious question. Are you actually
going to send the flowers? Because I think I'm gonna
need this for you?
Speaker 1 (10:24):
Sure?
Speaker 5 (10:24):
Why not?
Speaker 6 (10:25):
I'm like, might as well you need them?
Speaker 1 (10:29):
All right, you guys, thanks for jumping on the air
with us.
Speaker 2 (10:33):
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (10:34):
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