Listen To Mario - Candace Owens

Mario sits down with conservative commentator & political activist Candace Owens to discuss everything from our current political climate, President Trump, and media bias to the BLEXIT movement, the Green New Deal, and Kanye West!  Candace also gives Mario the scoop on her upcoming podcast and discusses her childhood, recent engagement, wedding plans, and more!

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
So here we go episode to a listen to Mario
L t M. And I'm really excited to chat with
my guests today. Conservative commentator and political activists Candice Owens,
Candice Gay national notoriety after she started her YouTube channel
red Pill Black, and then things went next level when
Kanye tweeted about her, and since then she started a
movement called blex It, and she's also recently engaged, also

(00:24):
launching a new podcast of Rowan. We're gonna talk about
that and get into her really interesting backstory. So let's
get to it. Candace Owens, welcome. I love being here.
This is awesome. Thank you so much for taking the time.
I really appreciate you coming here. So there's so much
I want to talk to you about. First of all,

(00:44):
congratulations on the recent engagement. Thank you, Thank you? Were
you surprised by? Very exciting? I don't have my ring
today because wait a second, why don't you have get um?
I get it this week later this week? Yeah, you
look so happy in the fixed as he posted? Was
that by surprise? Did you have a feeling was kind
of coming? Um? It was totally by surprise. I fell

(01:05):
in love really hard for a brit which my whole
American independence thing might be falling apart. Um. I know,
we fight for our independence and then I just marry
a brit Right. It's terrible. It's terrible. Um. We were
launching so I worked for ourn organization Turning Point USA,
and we were looking at launching Turning Point UK. We're
just getting so many emails of like, what you're doing

(01:27):
in the USA? We need In the UK We're have
socialism and communism is creeping up. So we just did
like a couple of soft events out there and I
met my fiance really fast, um, and we felt really
hard and we're getting really married. Yeah. Yeah, I mean
it was like he told me he loved me before

(01:47):
we had our first kiss, and he was like, it
was if I talk about it, it's gonna sound like
the cheesiest love movie of all time. Like it's just
gonna be like nodding Hill, You're gonna be like, hey,
there are no rules in people, and people can't know
that side of me out. Cool. No, that's cool. Is
the date yet? Yeah, we are getting married at Blenheim

(02:09):
Palace either December eighth or January. I'm kind of trying
to see what re elect is going to look like
so this year it's going down. Yeah, I'm going to
be married. And is he going to stay in the UK.
You can't. We've got reelected. Okay, so you've already hear
the quarterback of the team here. Well, yeah, because he
was the quarterback of like Brexit. Actually he's also involved

(02:32):
in politics. But Brexit's happening already, so it's going to
happen next month, so he can come. Well, he is
in love. He's going to another all of the country. Yeah,
good for you, Yeah, good for you. Super cute. Yeah,
what's his name? George? George? Yeah, last name Farmer. There
have been fights between me and Charlie Kirk, who's my
partner in crime. He's like, you cannot change your last

(02:53):
name to farm. We've already branded Owens. We've help are keeping.
Come on, I'm not a feminist. I'm like totally taking
his last name. But then he's like fine. Maybe the
middle ground was like you just go by Candice, like
just Madonna, just farmer? Is this farmer? Is is? Okay?
Does have a nice read to it. Let's go back

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to O G. Candice Owens. You're from Connecticut, right, Stan
for Connecticut Stanford, Connecticut, born and raised and mom and
dad would mom and dad do? What were they into? Uh?
You know my dad worked in housing and in real estate,
and my mom worked in um, what's it called chiropractor

(03:36):
Like she wasn't a chiropractor, but she worked at a
chiropractical term practice firm. Yeah. Um, and yeah, I guess
they just tried to raise me. I was kind of
always a little bit of a rebel rouser. How many
brothers and sisters? I have two sisters and I have
a brother. Where do you fall I am? I guess
kind of in the middle of my sister. I'm I'm
the third child down, the third child, down, child down.

(03:58):
You always sort of had a fight for attention. Yeah.
Have you always been a question things? Yeah? I mean
if you watch videos of me growing up, it's pretty horrific.
My mom's like, you're gonna get a child just like you,
and I just I just always had to know why,
you know, one of those kids just like why? But why?
Like why is this guy blue? Like you know? And
parents really don't know everything, um, and so it can

(04:20):
be pretty frustrating for parents. And I just was I
mean same for teachers. I was just always not content
with just accepting what the status quo, Like you know,
when your parents are like because I said so, I'm
like that doesn't make sense, Mommy, Like I'm gonna need
a little more of an explanation. I was like obsessed
with critically thinking and doing things on my own, which
was so different from my sisters and my brother in

(04:41):
that regard. So no, I was like running the house,
you know what I mean. Like my sister, I was
like marching orders at my older sister and like telling
her the way things would go, and uh to my
little sister as well, like constantly protecting her. And people
always ask like, oh, where do you get this personality?
And I'm like, I have been this way since I
was a child, Like I came out like this, yeah yeah, yeah, yeah.

(05:03):
Me and me and my siblings are so close. Yeah,
they're back east and the mom and mom and my
mom and dad are split up. Dad's in the West Coast,
Mom's on the East coast. Yeah okay, nice, and you're
still an East Coast girl. I'm all over the place
girl now, it's just wherever I need to be. I am.
I'm traveling six days a week, so that's pretty exhausting.

(05:24):
I want to get to the schedule. But um, and
in high school, you had an incident with some some
pretty provocative voicemails, let's say the least, right, Yeah, your
son ended up being involved. Yeah, if I guess it
was my earliest political scandal looking back on it. No,
you know, I had some kids left some really racist

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voicemails on my UM phone and didn't know who it was,
and I told a teacher about it, um the next
day at school. I mean, they were pretty there. It
was horrific language like tar and feather, your family going
to put a bull in the back of your had,
like Martin Luther King, like really heavy stuff. Why do
you think you were targeted? Well, I can tell you why.
I actually there were four kids that left the messages.
I only knew one of them. Three of them were

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complete strangers to me. But I had gotten my first boyfriend.
It was I mean, it was super high school. The
reason it was super high school and I stopped hanging
out with my friends. I was like obsessed, totally obsessed
with my boyfriend, my high school boyfriend. And then yeah,
I was like that's it. The whole world that I like,

(06:27):
the passion it. Yeah, I did make up my mind. Um.
But one of the guys that were in our group
of friends was super but heard about it, and one
night they went drinking and they had this idea they
were going to prank call me and say like horrific
things when he was with a different friend group and
it was really stupid. I didn't recognize the voices. The
teachers next day called the police and they turned into

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because it happened to be a political person son one
of the people that I didn't know. It turned into
sort of this media firestorm, um, which sucks because at
the end of the day, like I would have and
super content with I'm sorry from the kids, not like
being on the front page of a newspaper and having
people weigh in on what was going on and all
that stuff. But you and your kid adults make decisions

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and and that's that. Did that somehow inspire a passion
for politics or what? What? When did you first get
into Well, it inspired anorexia for four years, which I
talked about all the time too. It's another thing that
I'm really passionate about, was talking to young girls about
eating disorders, and it's you know, you're ripe for the
age of having a disorders when you're a teenager into

(07:32):
your early twenties. Yeah, so I do a lot of
speaking on that that never gets covered, but um, you
know it was it was a really hard time for
me to go from being this private person to having everyone,
um in the state talking about you because it just
for the newspapers. Was like, this is a scandal and
it's fun to write about things that will sell newspapers.
But it did. It didn't inspire me politically at the time,

(07:53):
but it did make me feel that people rushed to
label um and it actually harms everyone involved. Those kids
were labeled racist, I mean the voicemails they left for
racist but kind of fourteen year old, which was like
the age of the youngest person in the car really
be a racist? Or do you do something that was
incredibly stupid right? Um? So I thought a lot about
how society rushes to label everyone before they even understand

(08:17):
what's happening. Um, maybe that person had his first beer.
And it's really super easy when you have a cell
phone to say say means stuff to a black girl,
like what are you gonna say? Could you do it
face to face? Probably not right, not as easy to
be a hateful, horrible human being. But when you're young
and your brain is not developed and you want to
be hateful and me and you're kind of trying out
mean really in your early teenage years, and now we

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have technology and social media, it just makes it a
lot easier to be horrific. Yeah, And but people don't
stop to think, They don't pause to think of that stuff.
We just want to stick a label on it and
throw it in a throw it in a closet. Sexist, misogynist, racist.
So that was probably when I got my um my
early ideas about just the media rushing to be thought

(09:00):
lists and stick labels on people that are harsh, incredibly harsh,
to call a fourteen year old and fifteen year old
racist for the rest of their lives publicly. You recognize
that that early. So what did spark the interest initially
in politics? Trump? Just Trump? Had you not voted prior
to that? Never, I had never voted prior to it.
Yet you didn't vote for President Obama. I cried when

(09:23):
he won, but I was just like, I'm so happy
other people voted for I'm so happy. But I wasn't
politically inclined, Anya, Yeah, it was a recent passion. Yeah,
what what sparked that change or what was it about
about President Trump or or certain views you had that
made you want to get into it. Well, I think,

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first and foremost, even if you weren't politically inclined, which
I think is true of a lot of Americans, particularly
Black Americans. So many of us just we think we
have to be democrats, think we have to be liberals,
but we're actually not following politics at all. But when
Trump came down the escalator, everyone paid attention suddenly, right
because she just had this personality. He was so boisterous,

(10:05):
and he just said stuff that had never been said
before in a political discourse. And so I looked at
him and I was like, oh my god, no, this
man cannot be president. I was passionately like Trump should
not be president when he first came down the escalator. Well,
I I had seen episodes, but that was my reasoning
for why he shouldn't be president. I'm like, he's a
reality TV star, he cannot be president. But I didn't

(10:27):
think at any moment that he was a racist or
a sexist or a misogynist, and neither did anybody ever,
he was never accused of that stuff, and overnight the
media just created an entire narrative around him, And for me,
it just made me question, as a Black American, is
it possible that racism is being used as a theme
to turn us into single issue emotional voters. And I
found out the answer is yes. I mean, there's that's

(10:50):
the only reason that you can sort of just transform
somebody from one day being the hero who's throwing parties
in New York and hanging on Diddy's arm and going
out um every night, and everyone wants to be like Trump.
All the music I was listening to they were like Trump,
jay Z and Beyonce or sip in pool side at
Mara Lago. And the next day everyone's like, nope, nope,
piece of racists. Everyone must say something anti Trump or

(11:12):
or you know, um, yeah, the narrative change really quick.
But but prior to that, I mean, you started a
YouTube channel called red Pill Black. After that, oh was
after that? After that? It was after that, And what
was the were hoping to accomplish with that channel? Well,
I was just thinking that maybe black Americans need to
hear a different perspective, like we were being emotionally and manipulated. Um,

(11:36):
So I just said, okay, I'm going to just put
out some conservative principles and say, like, hey, use a
satirical stab, do a couple of rants to talk about
just absurd headlines that I was seeing. I mean, after
he won, they were really trying to convince us like,
oh my god, we warned you guys, and now the
k k K is back. And I'm like, I just
went to Starbucks and a white guy gave me my coffee.

(11:56):
I don't really think this is or back in the
forties anymore. Like it, it seems like the media was
simulating a reality that just wasn't so. But so many
people were emotional and they had bought into this media
simulated reality which was actually causing all of us, um
to have issues one another, and just those issues just
weren't present. If you turn off the TV, everything's fine.

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So what happened when you launched that and what was
the reaction? Uh, what you would expect. Initially it was
just this is uh a race trader, she's a coon,
she's an uncle Tom. I mean, all of the stuff
that you hear, of the stuff that I would say,
by the way, in the past about Dr Ben Carson.
So I was kind of getting a little bit of karma,
I suppose, because I said the same stuff about black

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conservatives growing up. It was thoughtless. I didn't really know
much about black conservatism, but I knew and if a
black person was conservative, they were betraying our race. Um.
So I couldn't be that upset about it. I understood it,
and it just made me want to go further and further.
And then by my third video, uh, something crazy happened
and I got twenty six million views. Someone litz at
off of YouTube and put it on Facebook and it

(13:02):
just went trending worldwide, and it was dubbed in French,
and it was dubbed in um Portuguese and in Spanish
and everything kind of changed overnight. It was called I
Don't care about Charlottesville or the KKK, and I just
ranted for four literally four minutes. I came back from
the gym and my cousin had CNN on and they

(13:26):
were literally trying to sell to us after the Charlotte's
build Tobacco that the KAK was back, and I was
insulted by it because I grew up with my grandfather
in the house. My grandfather actually grew up with the
real KKK in a sygrogated South and Fattesville, North Carolina,
and those stories were very real to us growing up
around the table at breakfast. We'd read the Bible stories
and we all knew that the KKK would shoot bullets

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inside of his home and it's it's a real piece
of black history and just appropriated and pretend that Black
Americans today are living in that time to me just
felt really wrong. And I was just like, guys, Okay,
I get it, you didn't want Trump to win, but
let's not pretend that we're living in the civil rights Sarah.
And uh. People really responded to it, and uh, November

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you joined turning point us. I was speaking at a
conference on a panel about fake news and being in
a black Conservative and Charlie Kirk was much bigger than
I at the time. I now have more Twitter followers
than Charlie Kirk should be, said, just want to clarify
the record. Um, And he saw me speak and hired
me on the spot and he was like, hey, what

(14:29):
do you want to do? And I said, I think
I want to lead like a black revolution against Democrat Party.
Just that was my exact sentence, and he said you're hired. Yeah,
and then he was like, sit in the chair right there.
I'm going to get you an employment contract and he
got it over to me, and he had told me,
you know, college campuses are really bad and they don't

(14:49):
let conservatives speak. And I was like, okay, Like I
just left college not too long ago. I'm pretty sure
it can't be that bad. And I couldn't believe it
by the time we got to the first college campus
that conservatives are quite literally not allowed to speak on
college campuses, like it turns into World War three, and
I just I couldn't believe the state of it. Just
to stand up on a platform and say, hey, I'm

(15:10):
a conservative. I think black the black community can do
it without government handouts. You know, I've looked at some numbers.
Here are things that we're doing wrong. We need to
be more independent, our families need to be back together.
That's what I say in college campuses, and we're met
with hundreds of protesters, people threatening the place, And to me,
that's just it wasn't like that even ten years ago.
Isn't that ironic? And it's supposed to be a platform

(15:32):
where it's supposed to be uh, just just open thinking
and back and forth dialogue, and it seems to get
shut down. It's I mean, it's sort of a sad
uh state of affairs. When when that's the case, Um,
Kanye West tweeted you did a few months later, right,
he said love How Candice Owen thinks he did? How?

(15:52):
How did that tweet? And it was so insane because
I was such a Kanye fan that because Charlie was
so culturally inept, I think it's the right way to
say it. And I remember sitting with him and tengu
him like, you have to listen to Kanye's West music,
and he's like, is that the one that's married to Beyonce?
And I was just like, oh my god. But I

(16:12):
have always been a Kanye West fan. I think that
his music is so empowering and it was so necessary
for me in that phase. It was I was strictly
listening to his song Power, which was so funny. I
would get up every day and I'd go running and
listen to Power because there's something about his music that
really inspires independence, Like he's on a wavelength um where
you really can empower yourself by listening to his music

(16:35):
and you can say, forget what the world thinks about me,
because he's got that sense that necessary arrogance that you need.
Right there's like there's a level of necessary arrogance, which
might just be called self confidence. And the whole world
tells you you can't do something, you have to say, yes,
I'm doing it. And Kanye's would have got me in
that mode when I decided I was just going to
be the black conservative that can change you to speak out.
And then one day I think someone from the UK

(16:56):
actually sends me a screenshot and I had just had
lunch that person UK and I it was it was
Nigel Farage's assistant actually, and I said to him like,
I'm such a big Kanye fan, so I thought he
was like trying to be funny. We was using British
humor and photoshopped Kanye's Twitter and I was like, this
is not that funny. This is not really the funniest
thing I've ever seen. And then in the back of
my mind, I was like, this probably isn't British humor,

(17:18):
Like let me just go to Kanye's Twitter feed and
see and like my hands are shaking. I couldn't even
get to his page, and I'm like, and then I
see it and I just broke down crying, which is
so atypical. And I was crying not because I was
a fan of Kanye, but because I knew what had
just happened. I knew that we had broken a necessary wall. Um,
and that people, regardless of what they said about me,

(17:39):
we're gonna research me and we're gonna look up who
I was people that needed to hear my message. Um.
So it was, it was. It was such a special moment,
in a moment that I'll never forget in my life.
What was it like when you when you met him?
You know, he was exactly as I thought he would be.
I think if you listen to enough of his music,
you can sort of get a sense of who he is.
And he's an artist, I guess, is the only way

(18:02):
to put it. He sees in color and his mind
is working a thousand different ways. And when I first
met him, he took me around his fashion studio and
we're just talk to me about like certain shoes. I'm like,
He's like, I don't know. He's like, I don't know
if we're going to do the hell anymore if it's empowering,
and he just goes right into like Picasso mode, you know,

(18:27):
and so there's just, um, he's just a total like, Oh,
I don't know if we should do the hell anymore. Actually,
I'm so glad you asked me. Yeah, yeah, exactly, Yes
I'm wearing Actually he did, yes, exactly. I got some easies. Yeah,
he's he's an incredibly kind person. He really is, and

(18:49):
he's kind to everyone around him. Uh, so that it
was totally trippy. And then I met Kim, which was
also really trippy, and she's unbelievably kind. So they're really
nice people. And I think that I wouldn't I just
wouldn't have thought they were so nice. I mean I
thought Kim was nice that you watch enough of her
ANTV and you're like, she seems really sweet. She's really sweet. Yeah,
she's just a really nice person. How do you think
that that whole episode affected the African American community in

(19:14):
the way it was perceived and and the way the
media sort of handled it, Well, the media did what
they do best. They just smeared him and started saying
in a mental disorder and said horrible things about him.
I remember reading the press, and it said, you know,
Kim's leaving Kanye, and it's it's it's horrible what happens
when you say, come out and say anything that's conservative.
And by the way, if you asked Kanye, he wouldn't

(19:34):
even say that he was conservative. He wouldn't say that.
He would just say, I'm a free thinker and I
like Trump. But he doesn't say anything bad about Hillary. Right,
He's not like an either or a person. Um. And
the fact that he can't, that he had to go through, um,
what he went through in the media is horrific and
it should show everyone that you're not free as a
black person. If you're free, no one would care him
saying he liked Trump would have been exactly like every

(19:56):
other celebrity who said they liked Hillary would have been like, Okay,
great Van When it wasn't it was vicious. It was
it was um. It was violent to the stuff that
they were saying about him, and they were talking about
um his mental state and saying he needed to be hospitalized,
and they were using racial slurs. And CNN on Live
TV said, this is what happens when negroes don't read.
I mean, could you imagine in what world that that

(20:17):
is said. They didn't have the issue. Yeah, they didn't
have to issue an apology, they didn't have to take
back the statement. And that's what I try to showcase
to people is just are are we really free? That's
the question. If we're really free, then whether you agree
with him or not, Contina should have been able to
say that and go back to work the next day
and it wouldn't have called the media caused a media firestorm.
It's a very good point. Candice. Do you think hip

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hop in general, the messaging throughout the years, do you
think that's been destructive for African Americans in particular women.
I think yes, yes it has. And so I I
feel for the hip hop community because look, I grew
up on hip hop, so I know that what I'm
saying is a little bit hypocritical because in one regard,
I just told you that Kanye's music inspired me to

(21:01):
go out and do something right, and when I was
a kid, jay Z's music always made me feel like
I can make it out of here and be something.
But to the same token, the problem is is that
they're just telling their story right, So to them, it's
just poetry. I'm telling you what I lived through. But
two kids that are growing up, they start to idolize

(21:22):
that and they want to to live that story. They
want to not listening to jay Z say oh, I
used to to sell drugs and going and I made
it to do all of this stuff and now I
do this and that and going, oh great he made
it out there thinking oh that means I can sell
drugs and I can do this and I can make
it out Um. So it's I understand from the side
of jay Z where it's like I'm just telling my story,
but the messaging for kids, I don't think it's actually

(21:44):
very helpful. We don't have positive hip hop music and
it is you know, the glorification of having multiple women,
and um, it's not it's not helping our community. I
really don't think it is. And I am going to
be completely honest and say that I am aware that
I sound like a hypocrite because I listen to hip
hop muse Um, I love and grew up on hip
hop music too, and it's it's a little older than you,

(22:04):
so you so it seems like it's changed because they
used to have well even prior to that too, with
public Enemy PMD and Rock Cam and all these guys.
They really had they're real pose, and they really had
stuff to say and it was inspirational. And then and
then it sort of got into we got into the
gangster thing, but then into a little bit more I

(22:26):
don't know, degrading and yeah, and then it just and
now it's mumble and you can't understand. So it's like
it's gotten this ebbs and flows and it's just Yeah,
that was always curious just to see how um well,
I don't think anyone's creating real art anymore, to be
honest with you, like, there's very few artists that I
actually can listen to their album from cover to cover
in general. Um so I think that that has to

(22:48):
do with you could talk about another regard art even
like actual true art is a joke. I think about
modern art. It's like a microphone in the middle of
a space and they go, oh my gosh, it's so
so progressive. One million dollars I threw paint at the
wall like to it's yeah, it's all, it's all. We
were actually ruining art. We're in this in this weird

(23:08):
space where people are trying to pretend that things are
forward when it really just sucks. Um, and there it
just sucks. It's it's not good anymore. And when you
go to like a modern art thing, I'm like, wait,
what I mean my two year old could do this right?
And they will pay four million dollars for like a
two year old to scribble and they say it's like Picasso,
And I'm like, this is such an insult to van

(23:29):
Gogh and to Picasso and people that were actually making things.
So I struggle to even think that there's actually true
art being created anymore. Uh, tell me about blexit? Yeah, um, look,
it just it feels like the right time I launched
a Blexit, the black exit from a Democrat party from
dependency from progressive principles that are are yielding regressive results

(23:51):
in the black community, because it's just time. There's just
I look, I've looked at every metric, I've I've studied
um as much as I possibly can. Over these especially
over these last two years, we're losing. The black community
is losing, and and somehow we're married to a party
because our cultural icons um, who know very little about politics,
virtually nothing about politics. Is what the truth is Hollywood

(24:12):
knows nothing about politics. UM. Tell us, we've been so
seized culturally, UM, that we don't realize that we're following
a party right off of a cliff. Our communities are
down the drain. Why do you think so many minorities
to like these Why do you think they feel the
need to vote Democrats? I think because, first and foremost
the left runs the education system. So that's the first

(24:34):
vertical UM that has been completely taken over by left leftism.
And then you have the media and culture in Hollywood.
They have a strangle hold on culture in Hollywood. I
know conservatives in Hollywood. It's like an underground railroad. They
can't come out and say that they're conservative because they'll
lose their entire careers. God forbid you, Branta Maga hat
you're over. You will get canceled until you retract the
statement or say something um against the president. And so

(24:56):
you have those two verticals, and then um also just
district magic breakdown of our families. UM. I think the
most important thing in the entire world is our fathers.
And you're we're seeing this society which is trying to
first and foremost make masculinity wrong. Right, This radicalized feminist movement.
It's not feminism at all, um, which is trying to
make people feel bad about being men right and and

(25:18):
telling women we don't need men, and and encouraging the
breakdown of the nuclear family. Your children are better off
when mom and dad are together. You need for morality,
you have to have this reverence of the father as
the head of a family unit. And this this really
traces back to the Bible in Genesis Um. And I'm
a firm believer in that that's controversial. Talking about God
is controversial, believing in father and in men. I don't

(25:40):
buy gilette raisers. I hope nobody here does. That should
be that should be canceled after making and and and
this is the culture that we're in. And you have
these boys growing up without father figures, who are getting
into trouble and who are then relying on cultural icons
tell them between right and wrong because their fathers aren't
at home and they're making mistakes. And we have to
sort of get it all all back to how it was.

(26:02):
What do you say, Candice, to those Americans who may
share the same views but are afraid to speak up,
join join a Bluxit rally. I mean to see all
of the latinos UH lined up in downtown l A
and the black people lined up, and know that there
is a community, that there is a public community that
is coming forward, and we're not afraid, we don't really
care what's tweeted about us by celebrities, you know, um,

(26:25):
And and there's nothing more empowering, um than realizing that
you've actually learned things the right way and and by
the way, if you want to talk about a community
that doesn't see color, that doesn't see race, does and
see ethnicity, join the patriotic community because we're we're joined
together by our values, by our principles, by a reverence
for God, by respect for the family unit. And it's

(26:46):
it's such a wonderful, beautiful feeling to be in the
room with like minded individuals. Is that why you're on
the road so much? And so so take me through
a week You're you're traveling it? Does it? Does it vary?
Are you're usually hitting the same How does your schedule work?
I'm mean I speak at a lot of GOP dinners,
like a link In or a Reagan dinner, So that
takes me all over UM. Launching my own podcast with

(27:09):
Pragrier university, so that's based here out in l a
and and talking to anybody who wants to talk, you know,
because I I think it's necessary for us to have
conversations and stop demonizing one another with with ridiculous labels
and um, I am launching TPUK, so I'm spending a
lot of time in London as well. Charlie and girl
I know, Charlie and I are do are still do

(27:31):
our campus tour, so we go on college campuses and
I do my media hits. I'll beyond Fox News or
so I'm just yeah, I am just everywhere. Last night
squeezing in the wedding. I I think I'm gonna spend
like a month out there the summer just playing the
whole thing and past as I can because I can't
even think about having time to plant a wedding. So

(27:51):
it's fine. His mom will planet. Yeah, here it is, Yes,
bade twelve hours from here east because it's all right.
So Candice, these Hitler comments, yes, so write that story
down for us, please. So crazy it was, I mean,
this is it's so insane. Nobody first, first and foremost,

(28:12):
there's my single person in the world who legitimately thinks
that I support Hitler. It's it's so crazy that even
if they couldn't even say it with a straight face,
but we were. It's just it's just so ridiculous, like
support Hitler. I'm like, do you write these headlines? And
could you just be a serious person for like one
day BuzzFeed? Um. But so we were out speaking about

(28:32):
um somebody had rose their hand and asked us a question.
And we were in the UK, and they asked us
whether or not, Um, how do we as conservatives separate us,
separate ourselves from being called nationalists? And what I was
saying to the women is that nationalism has become a
tainted word. UM. I do not, and it's to become
a tainting word because if you hear it in America, especially,

(28:53):
people immediately think about Adolf Hitler, and that's actually wrong.
I do not believe that he and nor do many
Jewish people believe that he was a nationalist. Um. You know,
when you think of a nationalist as a person that
puts the nation their nation first and the people within
their nation first. And Hitler was not putting the people
in this nation first. He was murdering people that were
within his nation. Um. So that was my argument. He

(29:14):
was a murderous, raging, homicidal maniac, and people somehow associate
him with a nationalist, and nationalists wouldn't be imperializing and
expanding beyond their borders and invading Poland and invading France.
So Hitler was not a nationalist, and that was my point,
and of course somehow they turned it into Candice thinks
that if Hitler had stayed within his borders, Canda is cool,

(29:36):
which is par for the course. I mean, I've earned
every other ridiculous label. I'm anti black. I want women
to be raped because I said, I don't support the
me to movement because I think it's the idea of
not having due process terrifies me. I could have a
son one day. I men are not dropped off by
the stork ladies, just so you know, we burned them.
Those are our sons. Were creating a society that our
sons have to our fathers, our husbands have to be

(29:59):
able to survive in So I say on sports of
me to movement, and there are articles Candice wants women
to be raped, and this is just you know, par
for the course when you're a conservative. Right now, I
want to get into that in a second. But Chelsea
Clinton actually commented on this sled and you'll you called
her out on it. Yeah, yeah, I mean you're you're
a former first daughter, so first and foremost, when you
perpetuate something, you better have been well researched and looked

(30:21):
at everything in context to make sure. And she wrote
something said the third rite wasn't great, as Candice Owen says,
I never said that period, Um, and you took that
took us. Watch someone take a snippet of the conversation,
not in context. It made it seem like I said that.
I hit her hard because it's like my entire life
is dedicated to on doing the misery that your family,

(30:42):
um has. I'm powered upon the black community. Um. So
you actually don't get the right to tweet me ever, Um,
that's how that works. So yeah, I hit her hard,
and I basically told her, don't you talk about evil
regimes when your father being in the White House was
an evil regime. More black men were locked up because
of his crime bill in ninety four. Um, and he
locked up more black men than a present of history
of the United States. And that's the reason that I

(31:06):
do blex it and I do these educational rallies and
conferences so the black community realizes who our allies are
and who our enemies are. And the Clintons have always
been an enemy to the black community. Have you ever
gotten an apology from anyone you've called out on Twitter?
I'm still waiting. You should get blocked. I've blocked by
Christie Taken. It's it's a blocking apology. Respect. Why do

(31:28):
you think people can't admit the wrong? Um? You know,
I think it's different for celebrities and people that are
our public figures, is that they know not They know nothing.
They just squeal into the echo chamber, and if they
actually cared about what they were saying. I would actually
have a lot of respect if there were liberals who said,
I care so much about politics and I'm actually going

(31:49):
to go have conversations with conservatives because I'm interested in truth, right,
so I believe what I believe. There's on a single
liberal out there that I won't sit down with and
have a conversation with or have a debate with. None
of them well down and have a conversation or debate
with us, okay, which makes you know that they don't
believe in what they say. You're just shouting into the
echo chamber on Twitter. Why don't you I? I Chelsea
Handler and I were supposed to debate at political contract

(32:11):
for her Netflix series, and she came up with like
she because she was doing a Netflix documentary on white privilege. Right, well, great,
I talk to a black person who is a conservative
about it. I just want to do that. Of course,
not because she wants She's not interested in in getting
to the root of white privilege, which would be talking
to people that are black and don't believe in white privilege.
Right um. Sarah Silverman was supposed to come on to

(32:31):
my podcast to have a conversation. She backed out the
night before, and so it's it's it's signals to me
that they don't actually they know that there's something broken
about their logic because they don't want to sit across
from somebody who's willing to have a peaceful, logical discussion
with them about their beliefs. That's the thing about social
media too, is that you can just you can just
focus on other like minded people live in that little

(32:53):
world not to ever have to engage with anyone of
opposing views, your thoughts that you don't have to do.
You think queer is divided as a country as the
media portrays, No, we're not. It's and and honestly, if
if we could get Hollywood liberals to just shut the
hell up, we would actually be able to do a
lot of healing. They're the ones that perpetuate so much hate,
I mean, the rhetoric, and they try to make it

(33:15):
cool and trendy, like where the cool kids sitting up table.
Nobody wants to sit with you, nobody cares what you think. Um,
And that's just and that's honestly, the truth is that
they perpetuate. They pretend that they're the most tolerant people
in the world. They're vicious, and they're hateful, and they're rude.
They have no respect for the person that's sitting in
the White House. And and beyond that, they have this
idea that anyone who supports him as racist. You you

(33:36):
actually believe that more than half of this nation is racist?
Of course you don't. Of course, especially black artist. We
live a majority white country. If you're at the top
of the hip hop chains because white people are buying
your album, okay, okay, just so you're just so we're clear, Okay,
and and they don't. They don't think like that. You
think that you became a number one artist because because
just black people bought your album, That's not how it works.

(33:57):
And um for them to not have that thoughtful dial
and say, hmmmm, well, maybe some of my fans support
him for different reasons. Maybe it's not about racist, and
maybe it's not about sexist, and maybe there's something else
that is drawing people to Trump. I think that that
that's not healthy. It's it's you should have critical thinking
and discussion. Where do you see all this going, Candice, Like,
what's your what's your particular or personal ultimate goal as

(34:21):
far as in let's say fifteen twenty years, what is
it that you want to be doing. I want to
be unblocked from Christy TV, not um. You know, for me,
it's it's funny because people people are always like you
should run for the present, say you should run for Congress.
I have no interest in running for office. I have
interest in seeing the black community actually just start thinking,

(34:41):
seeing Latino community actually start thinking, uh, seeing that we've
broken the monolith, that it's cool to talk about God again,
like this weird thing where it's like hip hop to
to suddenly say that you don't mess with God, or
like VP Mike Pence respects his wife ha ha ha ha,
Like it's just was bizarre thing in the entire world.
Can we get to a society where we have honor

(35:03):
and respecting reverence, and where the black community demands that
they debate, that they debate it um and and that
politicians offer better ideas as opposed to irrational emotional arguments
like vote for me because the other guys racist. That's unacceptable.
It's unacceptable. I want you to say why I should
vote for you. Stop calling everybody else racist. That that's
you asking me to act based from a fear based mentality.

(35:25):
You want me to do something cause I'm scared. No,
I want you to challenge me to do something because
it's logical, because you have better ideas. I want to
vote for you based off the merit of your ideas,
not because you brought Beyonce and jay Z to saying,
which is what Hillary Clinton did, right, Like did she
did she have a thought for the black community. No,
she had jay Z, she had Beyonce, she had Katie Perry.
And that's why Trump won because he was talking about ideas,

(35:47):
speaking of the future and new ideas. What are your
thoughts on the Green New Deal. I'm gonna jump with
the Hodge Twins here and say, yeah, oh man, I
mean there's actually a clause in there that just says
that we're going to take care of people that just
don't want to work, Like I mean to back out

(36:08):
on that somehow, but then they got fact checked. It
looks just up willing. I'm not really willing to work.
So can I have a government check? Yeah? Look, I
think that Trump diagnosed it best. It was like a
bad college mid term paper. Um, and it shouldn't be
taken seriously. And and just we know what. I want

(36:29):
a Black New Deal. I want to Latino New Deal.
I want to talk about how how we inspire. Communities
have been harmed the most by progressive policies. I'm not
interested in people creating a bunch of fluff. And what
I challenge people to think of all the time is
that when people are are offering you a bunch of
free stuff, they're just trying to take away your freedoms.
There's no such thing as free. You have to work
for things. There's nothing free in society. Why is this

(36:49):
such a push for socialism because it's first and foremost,
it's an easy sell. So what I sell is actually hard.
I sell personal responsibility. Right. Try telling to someone, hey,
you are responsible and you need to make good choices
and if you do these things you can have success.
That's a hard sell. And it's a hard pitch in
a society that just wants to point the blame. Right,

(37:10):
the black man wants to blame the white man. The
poor man wants to blame the rich man. The short
person wants to blame the tall person. The women want
to blame the men. This is the society that we've
that we've gone into. And and this is when I'm
sure you maybe you've all heard of Dr Jordan Peterson
who talks about this cultural Marxism and what to me
at its courts. It's cowardice. It's the ultimate cowardice. It's hard.
Life is hard, life is struggle. Getting up every day

(37:33):
is hard. Um. Yeah, because it's like, hey, you know what,
anything you don't do is not your fault and we're
gonna pay for it. That's a really easy sell. More
free stuff. Were you tired this morning, Mario? Did you
not want to get out of bed? Stay? Stay? There, Mario,
and we're gonna bring you a check. You were unwilling,

(37:53):
That's it, That's all that was wrong. You were just
unwilling to get out of bed. I mean that's a
that's an easier pitch to people that are are lazy.
How I don't want to use the word dangerous. How
how impactful will h Alexandria Kacio Cortez by in the future.
I'm honest worried about her, as most people are. I
think she's she's brilliant at social media. I think that

(38:14):
that's actually one thing her and I have sharing common
is we're both very good. We understand social media and
how to work it. And she she's um dangerous that
she's able to spread bad ideas very quickly because she
understands social media. Um. But at the end of the day,
people people have said to me, like, what if she
becomes president, I'm like, no, no, no, no, she's passionately stupid.
Um what will she laughs? No, absolutely not, because eventually

(38:36):
it's the next step. You do have the debate, and
she can't debate. She she thinks there's three chambers of Congress, right.
She actually knows so little about America And when you
watch her interviews, people that are these are softball interviews.
Jake Tapper. She she can't explain the economics behind it, UM,
And what she does is she avoids having a debate
her ideas at all costs, and they keep her safe
and in a bubble because she spreads their bad ideas

(38:56):
UM and they're they're actually there are people that are
above her that are willing to go debate, and they're
good at debating that ideas, Like Andrew Gillum actually was
someone that would would have is scarier to me than
in Alexandroccio Cortez because he's good at debating and when
you watch him at the end of it, you're like, Wow,
he's really he's got he's charismatic. Her she can't debate
her ideas UM, so show flatline pretty quickly. And she's

(39:17):
never going to run for anything above Congress because she
doesn't want a debate. UM. I might move to Brooklyn
and run against her sport Oh if debate her. NBC
offered us to debate, they offered to host it, and
they would have been friendly to her and trying to
set me up, and she turned it down. Turning point.
USA offered a hund thousand dollars to debate me, and

(39:37):
she turned it down. Everyone's trying to debate. She doesn't
want to do it. But we're the exact same age.
We're both born eight nine, where we're like the alter egos,
you know what I mean. View I said, we could
literally do it pay per view and people would pay
to watch it. But she won't do it because, like
I said, liberals love to spew things into the echo chamber,

(39:58):
but they refused to eate their ideas. I would debate
her any place, anytime, any venue. Why is there such
a liberal conservative double standard? Um? Because they own the media.
I mean, that's the truth, but they they run the media,
and of the media. I think it's, um is liberal,
it's it's it's and that's unfortunate. But we're starting to
see this undercurrent of conservative podcasts pop up. And you've

(40:20):
got Ben Shapiro who's doing great work and getting out
conservative principles. And you've got Turning Point USA, which is
kind of fighting the war in college campuses. So I
think we're at we are actually at a turning point
where conservatives are willing to get into the culture war. Um.
But yeah, they just they run everything, and it's of
course celebrities, right, celebrities who are inherently no offense, inherently stupid,

(40:44):
because what do you think the last novel was that
like a celebrity where I mean just like what's on
your bookshelf? Right? But they know everything, they think they
know everything, and the truth is is that the majority
of them suffer from a narcissist complex. They've just been
people have been. You're so amazing, Queen Worships slay all

(41:08):
of these you know, ridiculous, Yes, queen, Yes, you hear
that long enough and you actually start to believe your
own bullshit. You're like, I nothing I say stinks, And
then you just start saying stuff without backing it up,
and you think you can just keep going like like
I don't even I just don't get it. Uh. The

(41:29):
Democratic feels already getting pretty cropped. It's gonna be so good.
It's like the Super Bowl, man, I the super Bowl
of stupid. I want to just like deck myself out
in red, white and blue, go to the d n
C convention and be like, yes, Hory Booker, Elizabeth More.
I mean like it is going to be fun. Who
do you think ends up being the candidate at the

(41:53):
end of the day, Who do you think it's the
best chance at least if Bato runs, he'll he'll he'll
go further than all of them. Really, he couldn't even
win against Ted, against factor. I think if Beto runs,
he'll go, he'll go the furthest Um. I don't know
if he'll actually, if he was smart, he wouldn't run
until he won't beat Trump. Um. But if Trump can't

(42:13):
run again, Beto could go really far. Um. But of
the people running, definitely not Corey Booker. This is so crazy.
I don't know what he's doing. Um, it's just insane.
Definitely not pocahonest, she's out right you just cheated life
by pretending to be native American. How epic? How epic

(42:33):
was a by clowperture talking about global warming in a blizzard?
Like you can't make this up. It's like the best
reality show ever. Trump's just laughing. He's just gonna be like,
ha ha ha, who was the law? Who is the
who else is running brands? Running the most forgettable human
be I mean every time she talks and did she

(42:55):
just talk for five minutes too? Yeah? I don't she
she she won't and she's got too much of a
history that would be drenched up castro from who's the
other chicks? Who's the other there's a good girl running.
I think there's a girl that's running that might well.
I think the field is gonna get more crowded too. Yeah,
you're thinking, I just want Hillary to come back, which,

(43:16):
by the way, he's not out of the question. They're
saying would be the best like losing three time, Part three,
part three the trilogy. Yeah, yeah, not so much. He
falls a lot. But I really hope that she runs.

(43:36):
I just I want to live to see another Clinton,
like just back. I really hope Hillary runs again. I
think that would be up. Biden jumps in. H No,
I think that there's just been some weird stuff on
the end about him that will just not be good
for him. I don't think he will. He could have
if there wasn't read it and thinks, you know what

(43:57):
I mean, but unearthed weird stuff. But I I don't think.
I think Biden probably, I don't. I think he'll sit
this one out. You think has the strongest chance if
he runs, Okay, yeah, you see Trump winning at the
end of the day. Yeah, yeah, there's there's not a
candidate that can beat him. Have you lost any friends?
With your vocal supporter of Trump, better question, do you

(44:18):
have any friends? Um? Yeah, of course I've lost friends,
I've lost family members. I mean this is just where
where you're at you as a black Conservative, you have
to accept that you're gonna lose friends, You're gonna lose
family members. Um. But in a pursuit to be yourself,
it's worth it. I always say, being a black conservative
today is like being gay in the eighties, you know
what I mean, and when there was this stigma attached

(44:39):
to it. But do you do not be gay because
you know, because family and friends have You have to
live your life authentically. And Um, what I believe in
is that we're doing something that is going to completely
change the world and we're gonna look back one day.
I mean, look, Martin Luther King wasn't liked when he
was alive. He was hated and the double A CP
hated him. Uh, and he was seen as this radical character.

(45:02):
And what we're talking about, what he said was all
true and it was all amazing. And in the same
regard conservatives are treated, we're exiled, were excommunicated, especially by
the media. I mean, the stuff that said about us
as horrific in the same regard to stuff that was
said about m K and he was alive was pretty
horrific from the media. We're we're fighting a war that
is for future generations of Black America, and I think
that we're gonna win. But what's the one thing you

(45:24):
want people to take away from what you're doing? Um?
I think I want them to just critically think about
the things that they believe. Because what what shocks me
is that we grow up and we read this, we
read history, and we take it in and we see
a society in a time where people were chased out
of restaurants and we go, oh my god, how could
people have chased black people out of restaurants and said
terrible things to them just because of the color of

(45:46):
their skin. And yet they replicate it. They do the
exact same stuff to conservatives and to black conservatives, and
they say horrific, um, horrible racial slurs to us because
we're black and we're conservative. Were because you're Latino and
your conservative, you're allowed up to say horrific things. Why
don't people just challenge themselves to connect the dots and
realize and the same way that you looked at those
individuals back in history and said how could they? You

(46:08):
are they you are the day that you looked back
on and said, how could they have ever executed this
and been this person? And is the media and social
media to blame just because they are the mouthpieces? And
the media is to blame. Celebrities are a big piece
of the puzzle because they make it, they normalize it,
they normalize the harassment of conservatives, and um, and that's
really really wrong. And um, the media one hundred percent.

(46:32):
I mean, google my name, you'll get its ten million hits.
So I read my own Wikipedia once and went, oh
my god. She said it's terrible. It's just terrible activity
to do. And it's just like, it's just it's horrible.
It's absolutely terrible. But um, you know, I think we're winning.
I think that the crazier of the hit pieces are,

(46:54):
the more absurd it gets. When you get to the
level of trying to say that I support Hitler, right
then it must mean that we're winning. And you're scared
because you think we're making a difference, saying my mom
hopes thinks I like lost my mind and she hopes
I find it. Um. Yeah, she's just like what Um.
And my dad has been really supportive. He's just was

(47:15):
he was kind of more in the middle, and he
voted for Reagan, so he and he's just sort of
like who has a better ideas And he's been really supportive.
And now he says that the one thing that I've
taught him is that he doesn't believe the media anymore.
I mean, you can't. You can't sell to parents that
their daughter is like, you know, supports Nazis and hates
black people. Um. So they've all my entire family now

(47:39):
does not trust the media. So they've been pretty your
brothers and sisters here, Yeah, my sisters are so supportive.
They've been they've been really supportive. They're just proud of me,
and they would never do it, and they're just like,
that is the way Candice Owens would have ended up
based off of our childhood. But um, they've been really
supportive and have been a major source of strength for me.
So I'm really grateful. Very busy and traveling all the time,

(48:00):
when you do have some free time, what do you
do for fun? Hang out with my fiance? What do
you guys like to do eat? We love food. I'm
I love food. I just food is so great. You
know that. I don't think we're doing enough to talk
about how great food is. Oh, I'm very passionate. But
so you're looking at someone who, pound for pound, will
get down on more food than anyone. No, no, be

(48:22):
shocked at how much I eat, barely break triple digits.
There's no way, are you kidding? I eat so much
it's embarrassing. I love it. It's embarrassing, like I couldn't
even not have a disgustingly big breakfast spot tame here.
It's just like I had French toast and pancakes and
bake pancakes. Did I love pancakes and I have? This

(48:46):
is underrated. It's amazing speaking of pancakes and preparing for
photo shoots. Is it true you just did a Playboy shoot?
I did. I'm actually the Playboy shoot? Is today actually
the interview before? I love it? Yeah, it might be
a hit piece. I don't know. I do now, and
I'm like, I don't know if this is going to
be a hit piece. I don't even care. I'm we
live in this weird poster realistic world now where nobody
even cares, like you can say whatever you want, Like

(49:06):
the people that support me know what this is um
and the movement only grows. But I did do I
did a Playboy. They're interested in the politics of everything
and just kind of wanted to follow and see what
it is I do. But you know, I probably gave
him too much time. It's probably not gonna be a
great piece. Like they were just asking some really bating
questions like yeah, totally, and it was where a photo
shoot as well. Yeah that's today, close on close, okay, alright, Uh,

(49:34):
tell me about your new podcast. I'm so excited about it. Yeah,
it's it's gonna be the candide and show, and the
idea is to just talk to people like I know.
I had such a wonderful sit down with John voy
And and he's he's epic, man. John Boy is just
he's just epic. He doesn't care. He's like, I'm eighty
years old. I've only got so much time left on
this earth and he just turned eighty in December. Yeah,

(49:57):
so he's just at that age where he's like, this
is what I believe in. I believe in God, I
believe in faith, I believe in family, and I believe
that our country and our culture is at risk. And
we just had such a wonderful conversation. And you know,
I've spoke to some um Paris to Nard who was
a black conservative who got me too, UM, and I
wanted to talk to him about the implications of media

(50:17):
hit jobs and how it affects your life and and
sort of bring that to life for people. And talking
to former former police officers who now are activists, UM
Brendan Tatum who was a partner of mine and why
he made the switch. He was a Bernie supporter and
a police officer, and how that impacted when when Barack
Obama UH perpetuated the police brutality with how that affected

(50:39):
a black police officer and what that means now and
people think they can openly disrespect the police. So it's
it's bringing conservative principles and and also speaking to people
that are on the left and giving them a chance
to air how they feel. If they actually feel the
way they feel, have let's have the conversation. There's got
to be some point that we agree on. Um. Maybe
we agree on the problem, we don't agree on the
solution necessarily because most liberals don't think out solutions. Candice,

(51:04):
it seems that we're going down a slippery slope right
now where you can make mistakes when you're younger, they
come back and haunt you some odd years later. It's
it would be I would not be shocked if politicians
were maybe one generation removed, where there's gonna be pictures
on the Internet of net and doing either being naked,
being something salacious. It's just is that a dangerous place

(51:27):
to be? And don't aren't we allowed to grow as
individuals learned from our mistakes move past that. Yeah, you
know so obviously. And I'll preface this by saying that
I was happy that the Northam thing happened because the
Left started this with this mining people's past from sixty
years ago, and now they realize this is a slippery slope.
We shouldn't have done this, and it shouldn't be done

(51:49):
at all. And uh, none of us, all of us,
I should say, actually have things that we would never
want unearthed. You know, I went through a whole phase
where I was just a horrible human being and I
went through an orexe. I was just a miserable, unhappy
human being being miserable to people around me, and I
wasn't a good person. And if I had to now
live that those four years for the rest of my

(52:10):
life and make amends, that's no I want to I
want to grow as a person. I want to get
over it, um and and give back in the way
that I two girls that have in arexia um And.
But if you there can't be evolution, you're gonna You're
gonna kill human beings if you cannot evolve from making
a mistake when you're six years who are not making
a mistake, just being a guy that drinks beers? You know?

(52:32):
And when you're in high school? Were you underage who
didn't have an underage beverorde? I did you know? And
does that just qualify me from being the president one day?
Because when I was in high school, we someone's brought
you Tobias beer and I would drink beer. Um. That's
a scary place to be. And I look back at
some of the things. My god, Yeah, but you but
you know what, I'm almost glad that I kind of
went through it because it helps me put things in perspective.

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You learn, you get closer to your kids because they're
going through it. Right, and and that you need to
be able to grow. Evolution is so necessary. The the
we have a right to evolve, right, you have a
right to evolve. It's it's it really is a god
given right to to evolve as a human being, to
make mistakes, move on from them, and to learn from
those mistakes. And no person should be frozen in time.

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And this idea that you can freeze an individual in
time is horrific and it's scary, and it's something that
needs to be stopped. It is absolutely scary. Where can
people find out more about everything Candaones is doing? Not
on BuzzFeed dot com. Um, look, I have a website,
canda ones dot com that you can follow my podcast
when it comes out in March, where I think they'll

(53:35):
actually be able to see where my ideas come from
and attend one of the events. I mean, if you
can get past the Antifa protesters, come actually see what
it is we do. What I always say is if
you think you have a perception of someone, go see
them live. If you think that you know who somebody is,
it will take you five seconds. If I'm on a
stage screaming white supremacy, yes, yes you're gonna find out
very quickly. Don't believe what you read. Challenge yourself to

(53:57):
go hear people um and you might be surprised by
by what it is that the person is saying versus
what the media is selling you. Absolutely, Candas Owens, thank
you so much for hanging out. I'm Candas Owens and
I'm hanging out with Mario