April 12, 2025 • 35 mins
We discuss a building racial flashpoint - Karmelo Anthony stabbing and killing of Austin Metcalf.
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
This is Red Pilled America. This is part two of
Red Pilled America's Famboogie. We're going to be getting into
a Frisco, Texas stabbing that has taken the country by storm.
We've kind of avoided talking about this early on. It
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happened earlier this month, primarily because not all the information
was out, and so, you know, people tend to get
really hot in these kinds of situations and jump into
kind of tribal, you know, positions, and we don't want
to do that. We wanted to take a step back
and kind of just wait to see where this lands.
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But the police reports are have been released recently and
they shed a lot of light on this subject, and
it also kind of, you know, you can kind of
see this thing, this this potential conflict forming. So we thought,
you know, we should talk to the fan bam about this.
So for those of you guys that don't know about it.
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There's this kid, his name is Carmelo Anthony, black high
school student attended this track meet. Apparently he was not
a participant in the track meet, but he attended it.
There's a bunch of different local schools at this stadium
and Austin metcalf is the other person involved in this story.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
He's the victim.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
He's the victim, apparently a four point zero student at
some promise for college. I think he had some scholarship
offers to go to college and what have you. So
Carmela Anthony is at this Carmelo Anthony is at this event,
and it's raining. So anyone that's gone to a football
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event or to any kind of sports event for high
school knows that, you know, there's these parents that are
people that are prepared for these events. They'll bring either
an umbrella or maybe they'll bring some kind of overhanging
tarp or tent or what have you. It's really easy,
those kinds of like pop tents that kind of just
a ceiling goes up and it kind of creates this
umbrella effect over a certain portion of the bleachers.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
Yeah, we know that because we have been to many
a game where we are not prepared exactly, and then
we look around the stadium and we see, oh, wait
a minute, those parents over there are pros. We've got
to get that set up.
Speaker 1 (02:21):
And so, but one thing that we don't do is
you don't sit under their tent to get You don't.
Speaker 2 (02:28):
Like, go and take shelter under somebody else's umbrella unless
they invite you.
Speaker 1 (02:32):
Exactly, or you know them and your friend, sure, what
have you. So, but that is what this Carmelo Anthony
guy did. Apparently he took shelter and I don't think
it was raining that hard at the time, but he
took shelter underneath these guys tents, and they some of
them felt uneasy. I guess, I guess in particular this
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Austin Metcalf did. According to the mother she spoke about this,
Austin Metcalf's mother said, you know, these kids, they have
all of their personal belonging under this tent, and now
here comes this stranger sitting underneath the tent that they
don't know, that's not part of their team. This was
a team tent. And so Austin Metcalf asked him to leave,
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and he got aggressive. Carmelo Anthony got aggressive and apparently,
you know, kind of an exchange of words. And this
is from witness testimony from the police reports. And I
want to read directly from the police report here because
I want to get this right. So this is one
of the witnesses there. It says Austin and the suspect,
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who was later identified as Carmelo Anthony. Anthony was from
Centennial High School and was sitting under the Memorial High
School tent. Austin had told Anthony that he needed to
move out from under their team's tent, and Anthony grabbed
his bag, opened it and reached inside and proceeded to
tell Austin, touch me and see what happens. No one
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really thought Anthony really had any weapons in his back,
and Austin proceeded to touch Anthony, and then Anthony told
Austin to punch him and see what happens. A short
time later, Austin grabbed Anthony to tell him to move,
and Anthony pulled out what this witness recalled as a
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black knife and stabbed Austin once in the chest and
then ran away. Austin began grabbing his chest and telling
everyone to get help. This concluded my contact with this witness.
So this is the police report. So here you have
a guy, a kid who who kind of for all
intentsive purposes, provokes him, tells him to punch him and
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see what happens. And then when the altercation, when the
confrontation got heated. It sounds like this. According to this witness,
Austin Metcalf grabbed him and told him to get out,
and that's when he pulled out the knife and stabbed him.
So this is causing a crazy amount of an uproar
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with you know, both the within the basically white and
black community. Okay, because now you have this incredible amount
of the black community coming forward and saying this man
is like Rittenhouse. He was protecting himself and it was
self defense. Apparently the kid, this Carmelo Anthony, when the
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cops found him, because he was still on site, he
tossed the knife. The knife was found and he immediately
admitted that it was because the cops said, I have
the alleged suspect here, and he said, I'm not a suspect.
I did it, okay, so there's no question as to
whether or not this guy is the one that did it.
He admitted to doing it on the spot. Apparently he
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was crying hysterically. He said, I did it in self defense,
and I guess he asked the cop, he said, does
this count as self defense? He actually asked the police
officer that he was apparently hysterically crying and what have you.
And so there this is there's this issue here because
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the black community is rallying around this man, and they're
doing it in a very he's this young man, this
young man, I should say, but he's doing it, and
they're doing it in a very disingenuous way. They are
creating fake police reports. At one point, they were creating
a fake police report that that was designed and written
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to make Carmelo Anthony look like the police were siding
with him. They're also posting fake images of of Metcalf,
Austin Metcalf as being some kind of a thug with
that they had like a death wish with rifles and
what have you. There's a bunch of disinformation going on
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out there. And so the police department actually came forward
and said, this is a fake police report that's being
passed around, and this is these are fake images of
Austin Metcalf the victim, and please stop doing that and please,
you know, stop spraying this disinformation. We're going to go
after these people. We're going to prosecute these people for disinformation,
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for basically for defamation, putting up misinformation. So it's really
the question is now is whether this is self defense
or not. And I think that there was a really
good summation from an account called the Law of Self
Defense on X. If you guys don't follow them, I
would do. I would follow them. There. They do a
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really good a job of kind of covering these self
defense issues. Actually have courses on self defense. And this
was his take on whether this was self defense or not.
And I want to play a segment of that here
for you guys.
Speaker 3 (07:48):
So, where in this report is their conduct by Austin
Metcalf the victim that could reasonably be perceived as an
eminent threat of unlawful deadly force harm to Carmelo Anthony.
Speaker 1 (08:03):
He wants to look at the police report and look
at the witness statements and see if Carmelo Anthony's self
defense claim stands according to the witnesses in the police report.
Speaker 3 (08:16):
The worst we hear is that Austin Metcalf put his
hands on me. I told him not to. We have
a witness saying he grabbed. That Austin Metcalf grabbed Carmelo Anthony.
Is grabbing someone likely to inflict death or serious bodily injury. No,
not in this circumstance. Two young men of similar size
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and strength athletes simply grabbing someone is now might that
be an unlawful battery? Sure? I guess you could make
that argument that Anthony Metcalf was committing a simple battery.
Maybe not, but it certainly wasn't conduct that was likely
to inflict death or serious bodily injury. And what is
required for the lethal use of force and self defense
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to be lawful under Texas law? Let's pull it up again,
the Texas Deadly Force Self Defense Statute. For the use
of deadly force to be lawful self defense, the defender here,
Carmelo Anthony, had to reasonably believe that the deadly force
was immediately necessary to protect against Austin Metcalf's attempted use
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of unlawful deadly force. Is there any evidence here to
support the reasonable perception that Austin Metcalf was threatening unlawful
deadly force upon Carmelo Anthony. If anything, there's evidence to
suggest that Carmelo Anthony engaged in provocation with intent, deliberately
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provoking Austin Metcalf to go hands on for the purpose
of having an excuse to use the knife he knew
he had in his bag upon Austin Metcalf. Then Anthony
told Carmelo Anthony the stabber, told Austin to hunch him
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and see what happens. That sounds to me like provocation
with intent. That loses you self defense, even if you
would otherwise have met the conditions for self defense, which
are not here. There is no deadly force threat evidenced
by Austin Metcalf. But even if you had met those
conditions for lawful self defense, you lose it anyway. If
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you engaged in provocation with intent, you're provoking the other
person to violence, so you'll have an excuse to use
deadly force against them. So, when we think about the
five elements of self defense, innocence, imminence, proportionality, avoidance, and reasonableness,
all of which are captured in the Texas self defense law.
Except for avoidance. Texas is a standard ground state. There's
no duty to avoid, so it's only innocence, imminence, proportionality,
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and avoidance, effectively just four elements. Carmelo Anthony would have
had to have been the innocent victim of imminent unlawful
deadly force threat at the hands of Austin Metcalf, and
there's not a sentilla a deadly force threat being offered here.
Speaker 1 (11:08):
So, you know, I think that that kind of gets
to the core of this. You see it in these
witness statements, is that this man, this young man, provoked him,
said punch me and see what happens, knowing that he
had a knife. According to the witnesses, there's no statements
that he was brandishing it. There's no statements that this
kid knew that Austin Metcalf knew he had a knife,
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but he provoked him and then he stabbed him. Now,
I've done, you know, self defense training. It's something that
I have done to protect my family. And what you
do is you learn in that self defense training what
you can and can't do in these kinds of situations,
especially if you are carrying a weapon. And what you
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learn is is that you cannot provoke because if you provoke,
you lose the position of innocence, and if something is
to go haywire and to go negative from there, it
will end up being you cannot take the position of
self defense self defense exactly at that point.
Speaker 2 (12:12):
Exactly.
Speaker 1 (12:13):
So this is the issue that this kid is facing,
and it's very clearly in my eyes, not a self
defense situation.
Speaker 2 (12:24):
Well, and he put himself there. He willingly went into
this tent, took cover, he was asked to leave. He
put himself in that situation. Now, now why did he
do that? And he was clearly It doesn't sound like
being friendly about it, like, hey, you guys, it's raining,
I don't want to get wet. Do you guys mind
if I just chill here for one second. It does
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not sound like it was that kind of a situation.
That sounds like he went there, he knew he wasn't
wanted there, He stayed anyway, and then he got a
little aggressive with them. That is not a person. It
sounds like a kid that was looking for trouble to me.
Speaker 1 (13:01):
Also, what you read in the in the in the
police report is that there it wasn't like the only
place he could take cover, because when the police officers
were questioning some of the other students that were there,
they had to take cover underneath certain areas and underneath
like the bleachers, or underneath like an awning or something.
And so they so these police officers took the kids
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to those areas to have their conversation and to basically
question them. So there wasn't there was other places to go.
So it wasn't like this is the only shelter place.
Even if that's not, I don't think that's an argument enough. Anyways,
you don't sit you know, when when you're in a
trust society, you don't sit in under a tent that's
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not yours. You just don't do it. And if you
do that, you are causing a conflict there. You're you're
you're invading somebody's space. And that's what this kid did.
Speaker 2 (13:52):
Well, you're definitely causing a potential conflict for sure.
Speaker 1 (13:56):
So you know, this thing has gotten really ugly. And
I want to get into why this is such a
big deal because it's going to be end up being
a big deal because you're seeing this now as being
potentially like the next like OJ Simpson or George Floyd
type of a conflict. And I want I want to
get into why this is an important event, and we'll
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get to that right after the break. You're listening to
Red Pilled America's fam Boogie and we are talking about
this Carmelo Anthony Austin Metcalf conflict. Make sure you guys
go check out our new series, What's an American. We
launched it earlier in this week, and we're going to
continue it next week. It's one of our most important series,
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we think. But yeah, let's get back to this conversation
of why this Frisco stabbing is so important once again.
This Carmelo Anthony stabs a kid, Austin Metcalf, they're both miners,
stabs him in the heart, kills him. He ends up
dying in his twin brother's arms. His twin brother was
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there with him. Really just incredibly tragic. But you have
this kind of tribal thing that's happening. Now, you have
the black community that's saying, Okay, well, this guy is
the new Kyle Rittenhouse. He was protecting himself. We're not
going to end up being We're not going to be like,
you know, in the back of the bus anymore. If
we have a seat, you're not going to make us
move out of our seat. They're kind of taking up
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a Rosa Parks argument on.
Speaker 2 (15:24):
This, and you're kidding me.
Speaker 1 (15:27):
No, Yeah, they're saying it's a Rosa Parks like, Okay,
we're not sitting in the back of the bus. You
can't just tell us to move. Oh, you know, yes
you can.
Speaker 2 (15:35):
If it's not your area. You can't just sit wherever
the hell you want if it's somebody else's area.
Speaker 1 (15:39):
Yeah, so you know, but their argument is going to be, well,
this is a public space, you know, so what if
you have your tent up here? You know this is
you know, these bleachers are public or this area is public,
I should be able to stand here. Kind of a thing.
That's going to be the position that they're going to
end up taking. So how you can kind of see
this this is turning into a racial wars is because one,
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they're putting up a bunch of fake police reports and
fake images of the victim. They're trying to make the
alleged it's not even alleged. The guys admitted to it,
but they're trying to make Carmelo Anthony look innocent. So
they started a gofund me campaign for Carmelo Anthony, and
that one ended up getting taken down because it went
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against gofundmes in terms of service, which basically doesn't allow
you to any a victim or excuse me, somebody that's
being accused of a violent crime. They don't allow that,
but give send go doesn't. They try not to take
any kind of opinion or position on these fundraisers. So
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they started to give send go campaign and they started
off with the goal at fifty thousand, and it almost
immediately passed the fifty thousand mark. So they quickly changed
the goal within like a day or so, with less
than twenty four hours, to one hundred and fifty thousand
goal that got surpassed. So then they increased it to
three hundred thousand. That got surpassed. They increased it to
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three hundred and fifty thousand. Now they're at a four
hundred and fifty thousand dollars goal. Okay, these are friends
of the family that are basically looking to take in
half a million dollars for this potentially for his defense.
Who knows how, you know, how these kinds of things go.
Sometimes a BLM lawyer, someone connected to the BLM movement
is now his defense lawyer, and it's it's gotten some
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weird reactions. This is what Tim Poole had to say
on this topic. He's kind of taking a self defense
position that I thought was a little bit of a
half hazard statement from somebody like Timpoole, who you know
you're supposed to be, you know, reading all of these
reports and kind of taking a position that is is
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even handed. But this is Timpole's position on this stabbing.
Speaker 4 (18:00):
There was an argument between Carmelo Anthony, who was from
a rival school, who was there and there are a
bunch of kids from from this town or whatever, and
they got him an altercation. They told him he wasn't
supposed to be there. Apparently they had words. Carmello Anthony
pulled the knife out from his bag and said touch
me and see what happens.
Speaker 1 (18:19):
That didn't happen. That he didn't pull out the knife.
According to the witness statements, he didn't brandish the knife
and said say touch me and see what happens. That
didn't happen.
Speaker 4 (18:29):
Witnesses said either he was touched or grabbed. They were
different on his accounts, but that Austin Metcalf did put
hands on Carmelo, who then stabbed him once in the
chest before running away. According to police, Carmelo Anthony when
he got apprehended or turned himself in. However, the story goes,
I mean different accounts. He asked if Austin was going
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to be okay and said it was self defense. He asked,
he said he grabbed me, and I said self defense.
The family is arguing it was self defense. It's strange
to me that with this story, the right is adamant
that this kid just killed another kid and you should
go to prison forever. And I'm like, we don't even
know what happened. Like, you've got witness testimony that sounds
like a fight happened at a school. Then I've heard
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the argument, yeah, well he shouldn't have had a knife.
He brought a knife to a school, And it's like, Okay, what.
Speaker 5 (19:14):
Kind of knife was it?
Speaker 4 (19:15):
Was it a utility knife?
Speaker 1 (19:16):
Was it?
Speaker 4 (19:16):
It was that a switchblade? Was it a machete?
Speaker 6 (19:18):
Like?
Speaker 4 (19:19):
Did he have a state knife? Is he was?
Speaker 1 (19:20):
He?
Speaker 4 (19:21):
Was he coming back from culinary class where he had
fine Japanese blades for cutting cucumbers. I have no idea
You're you're allowed to carry knives in tech. I'm pretty
sure in Texas, especially if it's.
Speaker 1 (19:31):
Like a utility blade, not on school grounds.
Speaker 4 (19:33):
You're also not allowed to grab people. But nobody knows
the exact specifics of this story with Carmelo and Metcalf witnesses.
Some witnesses said that Austin touched Carmelo, Some say he
grabbed him. Whatever the courts will play it out. If
weapons a our band, he's gonna go to jail. However,
in a general self defense context, this is why I'm
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saying the story I find so confusing. We have always
maintained when it comes self defense, it is not it
is not the responsibility of the victim of an attack
to determine the extent of that legal force. If they
are being attacked, they their perception of how far that
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force goes is it.
Speaker 1 (20:17):
He goes on to make this analogy that if somebody
invited somebody over to their house and they had a
gun with them, the guest that they invited, and then
they ended up getting in an argument with the homeowner,
that that person, if they felt threatened and they needed
to protect them their lives, they could shoot the homeowner.
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This kid was not invited exactly. He went under there,
he wasn't welcomed, and basically a confrontation happened because of that.
I think it's a really bad take on Tim's On
Tim's position, if you look and you read the witness statements,
and you know anything about self defense, you know that
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you aren't supposed to provoke. You that that is not
something you're supposed to do and still be able to
claim self defense. He's basically trying to make it, as
you know, similar to like a Kyle Rittenhouse situation. But
it's not. So it's not. But why we think this
is a big deal is you have you see, you're
starting to see the formation of the tribal you know,
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communities setting up. You have the black community putting out
all these fake kind of disinformation out there. You see
them funding this thing now the same way that you'd
see happen with previous kinds of these previous kinds of cases.
You have a BLM lawyer connected lawyer being associated with this,
and I think this is going to get pretty hairy.
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Now this kid is not cannot be you know, charged
with the death penalty according to local prosecutors because he's
a minor. He can't even be charged with life in prison.
So there's going to be that, But there's going to
be the case at some point there's going to be
a trial because he's taking the position that he was.
You know, there was a self defense argument here, and
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so how is that going to turn out? You know?
And how is that going to end up playing out?
And I really think what happened here. If you listen
to the father's statement, I want to play it for you, guys,
what the father had to say about this. The father
has been speaking to the media, as have the mother
and brother.
Speaker 2 (22:22):
You're talking about the father, the parents of Austin.
Speaker 1 (22:26):
Metcalf exactly here he is speaking to the media about
his son being stabbed by Carmelo.
Speaker 6 (22:35):
I'm not trying to judge, but what kind of parents
did this child have? What was he taught? He brought
a knife to attract me, and he murdered my son
by stabbing in the heart. The guy was in the
wrong place. They asked him to move and he bowed up.
This is murder. I know they have somewhere in custody,
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and you know what, I already forgive this person already already.
God takes care of things. God's going to take care
of me. God's won't take care of my family.
Speaker 1 (23:08):
So he's been criticized because of that, because people are saying,
you know, he should want to, you know, revenge. It
shouldn't be something that somebody should jump immediately on. I'm
going to save judgment for the father that's grieving. This
is how he spoke to the media pretty quickly after
the incident. But the issue here that I that I'm
seeing is a difference in communication. I these two people,
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these two kids, were speaking different languages to each other.
In my opinion, as many of our longtime listeners know,
I grew up in an all black neighborhood and I
feel it is my opinion that Carmelo Anthony is one
hundred percent in the wrong here. According to the witness
statements in the police reports, he cannot claim self defense.
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He stabbed this boy and did not need to do that,
and I think that he should spend his life in jail.
In my opinion, you take a life I think he
should be and you take that life illegally. He should
get the death penalty, but he's a minor, so he's
not going to get charged for that. But I also
feel like this kid, this Austin Metcalf, didn't understand the
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situation that he was in, and having grown up in
an all black neighborhood where maybe race kind of gets involved.
The second that this kid started to talk like this
and then reached into his backpack, if you've been at
all experienced in these kinds of situations, you know that
this can go very very wrong. Okay, they weren't speaking
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the same language to each other. Now, another black kid
in this situation with this Anthony, this Carmelo Anthony kid
might have known what was happening here and this situation
would not have escalated. But I thought that there was
this whole situation reminded me of this segment that I
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saw earlier this year. Many of you guys have heard of.
Trevor Noah was the host on The Daily Show, The
Comedy Show, and he brought up this kind of provocative
question in a podcast that he had. I think it
was relatively recently. I think it was earlier this year.
He was on this podcast and he brought up this
provocative question I think gets to the core of what
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happened here between Carmelo and Austin Metcalf.
Speaker 5 (25:28):
I found myself wondering, do you think that integration was
the right move? Have you been to Finland? I've been
to Finland. You know who's in Finland? Finished people? That's it,
that's it. And because they were all finished, there's an
idea of like, no, we all head in the same direction.
We all know what our actions mean, and that's a
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really powerful thing. I've learned in communicating with other people,
when I'm in a room with anyone where we start
to tie together multiple things. So if I'm in a
room with black people, we already there's like an implicit
trust because we know what certain actions, words, and vibes mean.
And then you're in a room with another African Ah already,
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Now even if you shouted me, I know what your
shout means, the same way in Italian knows what an
Italian shout means. Yeah, right, I know. I'm prefacing it
with a lot. Yes, it's a loaded question, yes, but
I would love to know if you think integration was
the right solution, maybe on the other side of you
know what America of civil rights.
Speaker 7 (26:31):
Yeah, no, I don't, and I don't think it's actually
that controversial. If you understand that segregation and integration weren't
the only options, like those are within those two options,
it may seem like integration is the more progressive, like,
of course we don't want segregation, But again, when you're
being integrated into institutions, into a culture that's a supremacist culture,
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that's a culture that feeds off of hierarchy, that feeds
off of insecurity, anxiety. Why are we being integrated into that?
Speaker 1 (27:03):
So they basically make the argument that desegregation was the
wrong route. But more importantly I felt in that conversation
was this this conversation about understanding one another and being
from the same culture and understanding And I think you
know what this desegregation did at some point. They it
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forced together cultures that don't speak the same language. It's
a provocative question. It's something that can't be undone. It's
not a logical solution. Is okay, well, let's go back
to segregation. But I do think races and cultures they
self segregate. And you had this situation here where, for
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whatever reason, the at least one of the kids in
this tinted area did not feel like this kid belonged here,
and he wanted him moved out. He did they obviously
he didn't trust him, and it seemed and he seems
like he was probably right in that distrust because he
ended up taking a step to the heart because of it.
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But they're speaking two different languages, and this is what
we're The kind of the problem that we have with
being this quote unquote melting pot in America is you
have all these cultures that have been forced together and
you don't speak the same language, and you're not reading
the same cues. And this kid in this situation was
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not really prepared. This Austin Metcalf was not really prepared
for this situation to escalate the way that it did.
Speaker 2 (28:34):
In my opinion, read it the right way.
Speaker 1 (28:36):
It seems like he did not read it the right way. Yeah,
it isn't absolve of Carmelo Anthony from what.
Speaker 2 (28:42):
He did, of course not, of course not. It's definitely
it's an interesting conversation. And I, you know, I think
that you see this kind of thing a lot in
sometimes in marriages, you know, a lot of the times
with our relationship, I will I feel like, you know,
the reason that we get along and we're we're a
good fit is because we speak the same language. We
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sort of like are from the same place. You know,
you're half Mexican, I'm a whole Mexican, and that sort
of works. But then at the same time, sometimes I
feel like, when I'm mad at you, we're not communicating
well because we're not speaking the same language. Because you
are part white, and culturally that part of you is
very different than every part of me. And that sometimes
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does cause issues. So you see this in marriages, like
in all relationships. It's it's definitely it's something that's it's
very interesting, but it's a tricky subject. I think it's
a subject that a lot of people do not want
to get into.
Speaker 1 (29:39):
It is, but it's important one that you need to
get into because these situations happen.
Speaker 7 (29:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (29:43):
I think that you know, when you're listening to this
Trevoroah conversation and you hear what this woman says, that
they're being integrated into this supremacist culture. I think that
a lot of black families do have these kinds of
conversations with their kids about about race. Maybe you should
be careful when you encounter this type of a person.
(30:07):
And I think that privately, a lot of white families
and non black families, Asian for whatever, you know, families,
they do have certain conversations like that privately at home.
But as a society we have moved away from having
those conversations because we're being pushed this narrative that if
you have these types of conversations and thoughts, then it's racist. Yeah,
(30:28):
so that's problematic.
Speaker 1 (30:31):
Well, and it's also like you know, maybe even the
statement that I said where this kid wasn't prepared, If
Austin Metcalf wasn't prepared for this situation, it's almost like, oh,
what are you saying that all black kid people are
going to stab you if you get in this situation. No,
but if you've grown up in this kind of a
neighborhood where somebody turns to aggression very quickly and then
reaches into their bag and then starts to dare you,
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things can turn south very quickly. And those are the
kinds of conversations that parents need to have with their kids.
There are cultural differences out there, and it's an important
question to start to kind of mole through. And I
do think that that is what caused this problem this kid. Also,
(31:14):
I think you know this Carmelo Anthony. You know, he's
kind of there's images of him out there like throwing
up gang signs with like a you know, a banana clip,
a rifle. He's kind of shown, at least through his
social media footprint, that he has kind of that kind
of thuggish kind of influences into his life. I've heard
(31:36):
Jason Whitlock, who I respect, and these kinds of issues
over at the Blaze. He talks about how kind of
the thug culture has impacted a lot of these people
and it's like, oh you touch me, Okay, I'm gonna
stab you kind of a thing, and it's impacted the
black community. I think that this is it's a touchy subject.
It's a subject that we need to have. This kid
did not need to die. It did not need to
(31:58):
escalate like this. I think he had every right to
not want his space.
Speaker 2 (32:03):
Invaded by another person. It doesn't matter if that person was,
you know, Asian was black with Latino, doesn't matter. He
didn't want a stranger there in their space. It's not
a it's not a race thing. It's just a respect thing.
I don't know you. You're not invited to come into
my space. Why are you invading my space?
Speaker 1 (32:18):
I saw a video. I saw a video very similar
kind of situation where these all these white kids were
where they were young men, were watching a tailgate thing
and they had a TV and they had a tent,
very similar kind of a tent. They had their lounge
chairs all set up, and then this black guy sits
with them and he has a video guy recording him
kind of looking like I want to see how this
how these people are going to respond to me. And
(32:39):
one of the guys was one of the white guys,
was very kind of accommodating. You know, you sound like
a very smart kid, and the old thingks man, thanks
bro thinks bro. And then one of the guys is like,
what the get out of my way? You're in front
of what what are you doing here? This is our space.
You're blocking your camera, guys blocking our TV. We're here
for a tailgate party. And so you know, you kind
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of see this confrontation set up, and this guy, I
think knew the guy that was recording knew that this
confrontation was going to happen. So you just you don't
do it. You don't violate people's spaces like this.
Speaker 2 (33:12):
I mean, listen where I come from and the way
that I grew up. I immediately read that situation. As
you know, the kid that came into that tent, the
black kid came into the white kid's tent. He was
punking them, That's what he was doing. And that's the
immediate read that I would get if I was in
that situation, and I would teach my child to just
get up and leave, remove yourself from that situation because
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that kid is there to punk you. He's looking for trouble.
Speaker 1 (33:38):
Leave exactly and engage exactly. And I think that's what
the kinds of conversations people need to have with their
with their kids from no matter what your.
Speaker 2 (33:47):
Race or it doesn't matter, I mean, I don't care.
Speaker 1 (33:50):
But allow yourself to get in these kinds of confrontations
because ultimately they could go this way. Yeah, and it's
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Speaker 2 (34:56):
Hi, everyone, The
This is Red Pilled America. This is part two of
Red Pilled America's Famboogie. We're going to be getting into
a Frisco, Texas stabbing that has taken the country by storm.
We've kind of avoided talking about this early on. It
(00:24):
happened earlier this month, primarily because not all the information
was out, and so, you know, people tend to get
really hot in these kinds of situations and jump into
kind of tribal, you know, positions, and we don't want
to do that. We wanted to take a step back
and kind of just wait to see where this lands.
(00:45):
But the police reports are have been released recently and
they shed a lot of light on this subject, and
it also kind of, you know, you can kind of
see this thing, this this potential conflict forming. So we thought,
you know, we should talk to the fan bam about this.
So for those of you guys that don't know about it.
(01:06):
There's this kid, his name is Carmelo Anthony, black high
school student attended this track meet. Apparently he was not
a participant in the track meet, but he attended it.
There's a bunch of different local schools at this stadium
and Austin metcalf is the other person involved in this story.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
He's the victim.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
He's the victim, apparently a four point zero student at
some promise for college. I think he had some scholarship
offers to go to college and what have you. So
Carmela Anthony is at this Carmelo Anthony is at this event,
and it's raining. So anyone that's gone to a football
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event or to any kind of sports event for high
school knows that, you know, there's these parents that are
people that are prepared for these events. They'll bring either
an umbrella or maybe they'll bring some kind of overhanging
tarp or tent or what have you. It's really easy,
those kinds of like pop tents that kind of just
a ceiling goes up and it kind of creates this
umbrella effect over a certain portion of the bleachers.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
Yeah, we know that because we have been to many
a game where we are not prepared exactly, and then
we look around the stadium and we see, oh, wait
a minute, those parents over there are pros. We've got
to get that set up.
Speaker 1 (02:21):
And so, but one thing that we don't do is
you don't sit under their tent to get You don't.
Speaker 2 (02:28):
Like, go and take shelter under somebody else's umbrella unless
they invite you.
Speaker 1 (02:32):
Exactly, or you know them and your friend, sure, what
have you. So, but that is what this Carmelo Anthony
guy did. Apparently he took shelter and I don't think
it was raining that hard at the time, but he
took shelter underneath these guys tents, and they some of
them felt uneasy. I guess, I guess in particular this
(02:52):
Austin Metcalf did. According to the mother she spoke about this,
Austin Metcalf's mother said, you know, these kids, they have
all of their personal belonging under this tent, and now
here comes this stranger sitting underneath the tent that they
don't know, that's not part of their team. This was
a team tent. And so Austin Metcalf asked him to leave,
(03:15):
and he got aggressive. Carmelo Anthony got aggressive and apparently,
you know, kind of an exchange of words. And this
is from witness testimony from the police reports. And I
want to read directly from the police report here because
I want to get this right. So this is one
of the witnesses there. It says Austin and the suspect,
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who was later identified as Carmelo Anthony. Anthony was from
Centennial High School and was sitting under the Memorial High
School tent. Austin had told Anthony that he needed to
move out from under their team's tent, and Anthony grabbed
his bag, opened it and reached inside and proceeded to
tell Austin, touch me and see what happens. No one
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really thought Anthony really had any weapons in his back,
and Austin proceeded to touch Anthony, and then Anthony told
Austin to punch him and see what happens. A short
time later, Austin grabbed Anthony to tell him to move,
and Anthony pulled out what this witness recalled as a
(04:21):
black knife and stabbed Austin once in the chest and
then ran away. Austin began grabbing his chest and telling
everyone to get help. This concluded my contact with this witness.
So this is the police report. So here you have
a guy, a kid who who kind of for all
intentsive purposes, provokes him, tells him to punch him and
(04:43):
see what happens. And then when the altercation, when the
confrontation got heated. It sounds like this. According to this witness,
Austin Metcalf grabbed him and told him to get out,
and that's when he pulled out the knife and stabbed him.
So this is causing a crazy amount of an uproar
(05:06):
with you know, both the within the basically white and
black community. Okay, because now you have this incredible amount
of the black community coming forward and saying this man
is like Rittenhouse. He was protecting himself and it was
self defense. Apparently the kid, this Carmelo Anthony, when the
(05:27):
cops found him, because he was still on site, he
tossed the knife. The knife was found and he immediately
admitted that it was because the cops said, I have
the alleged suspect here, and he said, I'm not a suspect.
I did it, okay, so there's no question as to
whether or not this guy is the one that did it.
He admitted to doing it on the spot. Apparently he
(05:50):
was crying hysterically. He said, I did it in self defense,
and I guess he asked the cop, he said, does
this count as self defense? He actually asked the police
officer that he was apparently hysterically crying and what have you.
And so there this is there's this issue here because
(06:12):
the black community is rallying around this man, and they're
doing it in a very he's this young man, this
young man, I should say, but he's doing it, and
they're doing it in a very disingenuous way. They are
creating fake police reports. At one point, they were creating
a fake police report that that was designed and written
(06:32):
to make Carmelo Anthony look like the police were siding
with him. They're also posting fake images of of Metcalf,
Austin Metcalf as being some kind of a thug with
that they had like a death wish with rifles and
what have you. There's a bunch of disinformation going on
(06:53):
out there. And so the police department actually came forward
and said, this is a fake police report that's being
passed around, and this is these are fake images of
Austin Metcalf the victim, and please stop doing that and please,
you know, stop spraying this disinformation. We're going to go
after these people. We're going to prosecute these people for disinformation,
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for basically for defamation, putting up misinformation. So it's really
the question is now is whether this is self defense
or not. And I think that there was a really
good summation from an account called the Law of Self
Defense on X. If you guys don't follow them, I
would do. I would follow them. There. They do a
(07:36):
really good a job of kind of covering these self
defense issues. Actually have courses on self defense. And this
was his take on whether this was self defense or not.
And I want to play a segment of that here
for you guys.
Speaker 3 (07:48):
So, where in this report is their conduct by Austin
Metcalf the victim that could reasonably be perceived as an
eminent threat of unlawful deadly force harm to Carmelo Anthony.
Speaker 1 (08:03):
He wants to look at the police report and look
at the witness statements and see if Carmelo Anthony's self
defense claim stands according to the witnesses in the police report.
Speaker 3 (08:16):
The worst we hear is that Austin Metcalf put his
hands on me. I told him not to. We have
a witness saying he grabbed. That Austin Metcalf grabbed Carmelo Anthony.
Is grabbing someone likely to inflict death or serious bodily injury. No,
not in this circumstance. Two young men of similar size
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and strength athletes simply grabbing someone is now might that
be an unlawful battery? Sure? I guess you could make
that argument that Anthony Metcalf was committing a simple battery.
Maybe not, but it certainly wasn't conduct that was likely
to inflict death or serious bodily injury. And what is
required for the lethal use of force and self defense
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to be lawful under Texas law? Let's pull it up again,
the Texas Deadly Force Self Defense Statute. For the use
of deadly force to be lawful self defense, the defender here,
Carmelo Anthony, had to reasonably believe that the deadly force
was immediately necessary to protect against Austin Metcalf's attempted use
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of unlawful deadly force. Is there any evidence here to
support the reasonable perception that Austin Metcalf was threatening unlawful
deadly force upon Carmelo Anthony. If anything, there's evidence to
suggest that Carmelo Anthony engaged in provocation with intent, deliberately
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provoking Austin Metcalf to go hands on for the purpose
of having an excuse to use the knife he knew
he had in his bag upon Austin Metcalf. Then Anthony
told Carmelo Anthony the stabber, told Austin to hunch him
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and see what happens. That sounds to me like provocation
with intent. That loses you self defense, even if you
would otherwise have met the conditions for self defense, which
are not here. There is no deadly force threat evidenced
by Austin Metcalf. But even if you had met those
conditions for lawful self defense, you lose it anyway. If
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you engaged in provocation with intent, you're provoking the other
person to violence, so you'll have an excuse to use
deadly force against them. So, when we think about the
five elements of self defense, innocence, imminence, proportionality, avoidance, and reasonableness,
all of which are captured in the Texas self defense law.
Except for avoidance. Texas is a standard ground state. There's
no duty to avoid, so it's only innocence, imminence, proportionality,
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and avoidance, effectively just four elements. Carmelo Anthony would have
had to have been the innocent victim of imminent unlawful
deadly force threat at the hands of Austin Metcalf, and
there's not a sentilla a deadly force threat being offered here.
Speaker 1 (11:08):
So, you know, I think that that kind of gets
to the core of this. You see it in these
witness statements, is that this man, this young man, provoked him,
said punch me and see what happens, knowing that he
had a knife. According to the witnesses, there's no statements
that he was brandishing it. There's no statements that this
kid knew that Austin Metcalf knew he had a knife,
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but he provoked him and then he stabbed him. Now,
I've done, you know, self defense training. It's something that
I have done to protect my family. And what you
do is you learn in that self defense training what
you can and can't do in these kinds of situations,
especially if you are carrying a weapon. And what you
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learn is is that you cannot provoke because if you provoke,
you lose the position of innocence, and if something is
to go haywire and to go negative from there, it
will end up being you cannot take the position of
self defense self defense exactly at that point.
Speaker 2 (12:12):
Exactly.
Speaker 1 (12:13):
So this is the issue that this kid is facing,
and it's very clearly in my eyes, not a self
defense situation.
Speaker 2 (12:24):
Well, and he put himself there. He willingly went into
this tent, took cover, he was asked to leave. He
put himself in that situation. Now, now why did he
do that? And he was clearly It doesn't sound like
being friendly about it, like, hey, you guys, it's raining,
I don't want to get wet. Do you guys mind
if I just chill here for one second. It does
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not sound like it was that kind of a situation.
That sounds like he went there, he knew he wasn't
wanted there, He stayed anyway, and then he got a
little aggressive with them. That is not a person. It
sounds like a kid that was looking for trouble to me.
Speaker 1 (13:01):
Also, what you read in the in the in the
police report is that there it wasn't like the only
place he could take cover, because when the police officers
were questioning some of the other students that were there,
they had to take cover underneath certain areas and underneath
like the bleachers, or underneath like an awning or something.
And so they so these police officers took the kids
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to those areas to have their conversation and to basically
question them. So there wasn't there was other places to go.
So it wasn't like this is the only shelter place.
Even if that's not, I don't think that's an argument enough. Anyways,
you don't sit you know, when when you're in a
trust society, you don't sit in under a tent that's
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not yours. You just don't do it. And if you
do that, you are causing a conflict there. You're you're
you're invading somebody's space. And that's what this kid did.
Speaker 2 (13:52):
Well, you're definitely causing a potential conflict for sure.
Speaker 1 (13:56):
So you know, this thing has gotten really ugly. And
I want to get into why this is such a
big deal because it's going to be end up being
a big deal because you're seeing this now as being
potentially like the next like OJ Simpson or George Floyd
type of a conflict. And I want I want to
get into why this is an important event, and we'll
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get to that right after the break. You're listening to
Red Pilled America's fam Boogie and we are talking about
this Carmelo Anthony Austin Metcalf conflict. Make sure you guys
go check out our new series, What's an American. We
launched it earlier in this week, and we're going to
continue it next week. It's one of our most important series,
(14:40):
we think. But yeah, let's get back to this conversation
of why this Frisco stabbing is so important once again.
This Carmelo Anthony stabs a kid, Austin Metcalf, they're both miners,
stabs him in the heart, kills him. He ends up
dying in his twin brother's arms. His twin brother was
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there with him. Really just incredibly tragic. But you have
this kind of tribal thing that's happening. Now, you have
the black community that's saying, Okay, well, this guy is
the new Kyle Rittenhouse. He was protecting himself. We're not
going to end up being We're not going to be like,
you know, in the back of the bus anymore. If
we have a seat, you're not going to make us
move out of our seat. They're kind of taking up
(15:22):
a Rosa Parks argument on.
Speaker 2 (15:24):
This, and you're kidding me.
Speaker 1 (15:27):
No, Yeah, they're saying it's a Rosa Parks like, Okay,
we're not sitting in the back of the bus. You
can't just tell us to move. Oh, you know, yes
you can.
Speaker 2 (15:35):
If it's not your area. You can't just sit wherever
the hell you want if it's somebody else's area.
Speaker 1 (15:39):
Yeah, so you know, but their argument is going to be, well,
this is a public space, you know, so what if
you have your tent up here? You know this is
you know, these bleachers are public or this area is public,
I should be able to stand here. Kind of a thing.
That's going to be the position that they're going to
end up taking. So how you can kind of see
this this is turning into a racial wars is because one,
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they're putting up a bunch of fake police reports and
fake images of the victim. They're trying to make the
alleged it's not even alleged. The guys admitted to it,
but they're trying to make Carmelo Anthony look innocent. So
they started a gofund me campaign for Carmelo Anthony, and
that one ended up getting taken down because it went
(16:24):
against gofundmes in terms of service, which basically doesn't allow
you to any a victim or excuse me, somebody that's
being accused of a violent crime. They don't allow that,
but give send go doesn't. They try not to take
any kind of opinion or position on these fundraisers. So
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they started to give send go campaign and they started
off with the goal at fifty thousand, and it almost
immediately passed the fifty thousand mark. So they quickly changed
the goal within like a day or so, with less
than twenty four hours, to one hundred and fifty thousand
goal that got surpassed. So then they increased it to
three hundred thousand. That got surpassed. They increased it to
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three hundred and fifty thousand. Now they're at a four
hundred and fifty thousand dollars goal. Okay, these are friends
of the family that are basically looking to take in
half a million dollars for this potentially for his defense.
Who knows how, you know, how these kinds of things go.
Sometimes a BLM lawyer, someone connected to the BLM movement
is now his defense lawyer, and it's it's gotten some
(17:32):
weird reactions. This is what Tim Poole had to say
on this topic. He's kind of taking a self defense
position that I thought was a little bit of a
half hazard statement from somebody like Timpoole, who you know
you're supposed to be, you know, reading all of these
reports and kind of taking a position that is is
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even handed. But this is Timpole's position on this stabbing.
Speaker 4 (18:00):
There was an argument between Carmelo Anthony, who was from
a rival school, who was there and there are a
bunch of kids from from this town or whatever, and
they got him an altercation. They told him he wasn't
supposed to be there. Apparently they had words. Carmello Anthony
pulled the knife out from his bag and said touch
me and see what happens.
Speaker 1 (18:19):
That didn't happen. That he didn't pull out the knife.
According to the witness statements, he didn't brandish the knife
and said say touch me and see what happens. That
didn't happen.
Speaker 4 (18:29):
Witnesses said either he was touched or grabbed. They were
different on his accounts, but that Austin Metcalf did put
hands on Carmelo, who then stabbed him once in the
chest before running away. According to police, Carmelo Anthony when
he got apprehended or turned himself in. However, the story goes,
I mean different accounts. He asked if Austin was going
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to be okay and said it was self defense. He asked,
he said he grabbed me, and I said self defense.
The family is arguing it was self defense. It's strange
to me that with this story, the right is adamant
that this kid just killed another kid and you should
go to prison forever. And I'm like, we don't even
know what happened. Like, you've got witness testimony that sounds
like a fight happened at a school. Then I've heard
(19:10):
the argument, yeah, well he shouldn't have had a knife.
He brought a knife to a school, And it's like, Okay, what.
Speaker 5 (19:14):
Kind of knife was it?
Speaker 4 (19:15):
Was it a utility knife?
Speaker 1 (19:16):
Was it?
Speaker 4 (19:16):
It was that a switchblade? Was it a machete?
Speaker 6 (19:18):
Like?
Speaker 4 (19:19):
Did he have a state knife? Is he was?
Speaker 1 (19:20):
He?
Speaker 4 (19:21):
Was he coming back from culinary class where he had
fine Japanese blades for cutting cucumbers. I have no idea
You're you're allowed to carry knives in tech. I'm pretty
sure in Texas, especially if it's.
Speaker 1 (19:31):
Like a utility blade, not on school grounds.
Speaker 4 (19:33):
You're also not allowed to grab people. But nobody knows
the exact specifics of this story with Carmelo and Metcalf witnesses.
Some witnesses said that Austin touched Carmelo, Some say he
grabbed him. Whatever the courts will play it out. If
weapons a our band, he's gonna go to jail. However,
in a general self defense context, this is why I'm
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saying the story I find so confusing. We have always
maintained when it comes self defense, it is not it
is not the responsibility of the victim of an attack
to determine the extent of that legal force. If they
are being attacked, they their perception of how far that
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force goes is it.
Speaker 1 (20:17):
He goes on to make this analogy that if somebody
invited somebody over to their house and they had a
gun with them, the guest that they invited, and then
they ended up getting in an argument with the homeowner,
that that person, if they felt threatened and they needed
to protect them their lives, they could shoot the homeowner.
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This kid was not invited exactly. He went under there,
he wasn't welcomed, and basically a confrontation happened because of that.
I think it's a really bad take on Tim's On
Tim's position, if you look and you read the witness statements,
and you know anything about self defense, you know that
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you aren't supposed to provoke. You that that is not
something you're supposed to do and still be able to
claim self defense. He's basically trying to make it, as
you know, similar to like a Kyle Rittenhouse situation. But
it's not. So it's not. But why we think this
is a big deal is you have you see, you're
starting to see the formation of the tribal you know,
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communities setting up. You have the black community putting out
all these fake kind of disinformation out there. You see
them funding this thing now the same way that you'd
see happen with previous kinds of these previous kinds of cases.
You have a BLM lawyer connected lawyer being associated with this,
and I think this is going to get pretty hairy.
(21:42):
Now this kid is not cannot be you know, charged
with the death penalty according to local prosecutors because he's
a minor. He can't even be charged with life in prison.
So there's going to be that, But there's going to
be the case at some point there's going to be
a trial because he's taking the position that he was.
You know, there was a self defense argument here, and
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so how is that going to turn out? You know?
And how is that going to end up playing out?
And I really think what happened here. If you listen
to the father's statement, I want to play it for you, guys,
what the father had to say about this. The father
has been speaking to the media, as have the mother
and brother.
Speaker 2 (22:22):
You're talking about the father, the parents of Austin.
Speaker 1 (22:26):
Metcalf exactly here he is speaking to the media about
his son being stabbed by Carmelo.
Speaker 6 (22:35):
I'm not trying to judge, but what kind of parents
did this child have? What was he taught? He brought
a knife to attract me, and he murdered my son
by stabbing in the heart. The guy was in the
wrong place. They asked him to move and he bowed up.
This is murder. I know they have somewhere in custody,
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and you know what, I already forgive this person already already.
God takes care of things. God's going to take care
of me. God's won't take care of my family.
Speaker 1 (23:08):
So he's been criticized because of that, because people are saying,
you know, he should want to, you know, revenge. It
shouldn't be something that somebody should jump immediately on. I'm
going to save judgment for the father that's grieving. This
is how he spoke to the media pretty quickly after
the incident. But the issue here that I that I'm
seeing is a difference in communication. I these two people,
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these two kids, were speaking different languages to each other.
In my opinion, as many of our longtime listeners know,
I grew up in an all black neighborhood and I
feel it is my opinion that Carmelo Anthony is one
hundred percent in the wrong here. According to the witness
statements in the police reports, he cannot claim self defense.
(23:56):
He stabbed this boy and did not need to do that,
and I think that he should spend his life in jail.
In my opinion, you take a life I think he
should be and you take that life illegally. He should
get the death penalty, but he's a minor, so he's
not going to get charged for that. But I also
feel like this kid, this Austin Metcalf, didn't understand the
(24:18):
situation that he was in, and having grown up in
an all black neighborhood where maybe race kind of gets involved.
The second that this kid started to talk like this
and then reached into his backpack, if you've been at
all experienced in these kinds of situations, you know that
this can go very very wrong. Okay, they weren't speaking
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the same language to each other. Now, another black kid
in this situation with this Anthony, this Carmelo Anthony kid
might have known what was happening here and this situation
would not have escalated. But I thought that there was
this whole situation reminded me of this segment that I
(25:01):
saw earlier this year. Many of you guys have heard of.
Trevor Noah was the host on The Daily Show, The
Comedy Show, and he brought up this kind of provocative
question in a podcast that he had. I think it
was relatively recently. I think it was earlier this year.
He was on this podcast and he brought up this
provocative question I think gets to the core of what
(25:23):
happened here between Carmelo and Austin Metcalf.
Speaker 5 (25:28):
I found myself wondering, do you think that integration was
the right move? Have you been to Finland? I've been
to Finland. You know who's in Finland? Finished people? That's it,
that's it. And because they were all finished, there's an
idea of like, no, we all head in the same direction.
We all know what our actions mean, and that's a
(25:51):
really powerful thing. I've learned in communicating with other people,
when I'm in a room with anyone where we start
to tie together multiple things. So if I'm in a
room with black people, we already there's like an implicit
trust because we know what certain actions, words, and vibes mean.
And then you're in a room with another African Ah already,
(26:11):
Now even if you shouted me, I know what your
shout means, the same way in Italian knows what an
Italian shout means. Yeah, right, I know. I'm prefacing it
with a lot. Yes, it's a loaded question, yes, but
I would love to know if you think integration was
the right solution, maybe on the other side of you
know what America of civil rights.
Speaker 7 (26:31):
Yeah, no, I don't, and I don't think it's actually
that controversial. If you understand that segregation and integration weren't
the only options, like those are within those two options,
it may seem like integration is the more progressive, like,
of course we don't want segregation, But again, when you're
being integrated into institutions, into a culture that's a supremacist culture,
(26:56):
that's a culture that feeds off of hierarchy, that feeds
off of insecurity, anxiety. Why are we being integrated into that?
Speaker 1 (27:03):
So they basically make the argument that desegregation was the
wrong route. But more importantly I felt in that conversation
was this this conversation about understanding one another and being
from the same culture and understanding And I think you
know what this desegregation did at some point. They it
(27:24):
forced together cultures that don't speak the same language. It's
a provocative question. It's something that can't be undone. It's
not a logical solution. Is okay, well, let's go back
to segregation. But I do think races and cultures they
self segregate. And you had this situation here where, for
(27:44):
whatever reason, the at least one of the kids in
this tinted area did not feel like this kid belonged here,
and he wanted him moved out. He did they obviously
he didn't trust him, and it seemed and he seems
like he was probably right in that distrust because he
ended up taking a step to the heart because of it.
(28:05):
But they're speaking two different languages, and this is what
we're The kind of the problem that we have with
being this quote unquote melting pot in America is you
have all these cultures that have been forced together and
you don't speak the same language, and you're not reading
the same cues. And this kid in this situation was
(28:27):
not really prepared. This Austin Metcalf was not really prepared
for this situation to escalate the way that it did.
Speaker 2 (28:34):
In my opinion, read it the right way.
Speaker 1 (28:36):
It seems like he did not read it the right way. Yeah,
it isn't absolve of Carmelo Anthony from what.
Speaker 2 (28:42):
He did, of course not, of course not. It's definitely
it's an interesting conversation. And I, you know, I think
that you see this kind of thing a lot in
sometimes in marriages, you know, a lot of the times
with our relationship, I will I feel like, you know,
the reason that we get along and we're we're a
good fit is because we speak the same language. We
(29:03):
sort of like are from the same place. You know,
you're half Mexican, I'm a whole Mexican, and that sort
of works. But then at the same time, sometimes I
feel like, when I'm mad at you, we're not communicating
well because we're not speaking the same language. Because you
are part white, and culturally that part of you is
very different than every part of me. And that sometimes
(29:24):
does cause issues. So you see this in marriages, like
in all relationships. It's it's definitely it's something that's it's
very interesting, but it's a tricky subject. I think it's
a subject that a lot of people do not want
to get into.
Speaker 1 (29:39):
It is, but it's important one that you need to
get into because these situations happen.
Speaker 7 (29:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (29:43):
I think that you know, when you're listening to this
Trevoroah conversation and you hear what this woman says, that
they're being integrated into this supremacist culture. I think that
a lot of black families do have these kinds of
conversations with their kids about about race. Maybe you should
be careful when you encounter this type of a person.
(30:07):
And I think that privately, a lot of white families
and non black families, Asian for whatever, you know, families,
they do have certain conversations like that privately at home.
But as a society we have moved away from having
those conversations because we're being pushed this narrative that if
you have these types of conversations and thoughts, then it's racist. Yeah,
(30:28):
so that's problematic.
Speaker 1 (30:31):
Well, and it's also like you know, maybe even the
statement that I said where this kid wasn't prepared, If
Austin Metcalf wasn't prepared for this situation, it's almost like, oh,
what are you saying that all black kid people are
going to stab you if you get in this situation. No,
but if you've grown up in this kind of a
neighborhood where somebody turns to aggression very quickly and then
reaches into their bag and then starts to dare you,
(30:53):
things can turn south very quickly. And those are the
kinds of conversations that parents need to have with their kids.
There are cultural differences out there, and it's an important
question to start to kind of mole through. And I
do think that that is what caused this problem this kid. Also,
(31:14):
I think you know this Carmelo Anthony. You know, he's
kind of there's images of him out there like throwing
up gang signs with like a you know, a banana clip,
a rifle. He's kind of shown, at least through his
social media footprint, that he has kind of that kind
of thuggish kind of influences into his life. I've heard
(31:36):
Jason Whitlock, who I respect, and these kinds of issues
over at the Blaze. He talks about how kind of
the thug culture has impacted a lot of these people
and it's like, oh you touch me, Okay, I'm gonna
stab you kind of a thing, and it's impacted the
black community. I think that this is it's a touchy subject.
It's a subject that we need to have. This kid
did not need to die. It did not need to
(31:58):
escalate like this. I think he had every right to
not want his space.
Speaker 2 (32:03):
Invaded by another person. It doesn't matter if that person was,
you know, Asian was black with Latino, doesn't matter. He
didn't want a stranger there in their space. It's not
a it's not a race thing. It's just a respect thing.
I don't know you. You're not invited to come into
my space. Why are you invading my space?
Speaker 1 (32:18):
I saw a video. I saw a video very similar
kind of situation where these all these white kids were
where they were young men, were watching a tailgate thing
and they had a TV and they had a tent,
very similar kind of a tent. They had their lounge
chairs all set up, and then this black guy sits
with them and he has a video guy recording him
kind of looking like I want to see how this
how these people are going to respond to me. And
(32:39):
one of the guys was one of the white guys,
was very kind of accommodating. You know, you sound like
a very smart kid, and the old thingks man, thanks
bro thinks bro. And then one of the guys is like,
what the get out of my way? You're in front
of what what are you doing here? This is our space.
You're blocking your camera, guys blocking our TV. We're here
for a tailgate party. And so you know, you kind
(33:00):
of see this confrontation set up, and this guy, I
think knew the guy that was recording knew that this
confrontation was going to happen. So you just you don't
do it. You don't violate people's spaces like this.
Speaker 2 (33:12):
I mean, listen where I come from and the way
that I grew up. I immediately read that situation. As
you know, the kid that came into that tent, the
black kid came into the white kid's tent. He was
punking them, That's what he was doing. And that's the
immediate read that I would get if I was in
that situation, and I would teach my child to just
get up and leave, remove yourself from that situation because
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that kid is there to punk you. He's looking for trouble.
Speaker 1 (33:38):
Leave exactly and engage exactly. And I think that's what
the kinds of conversations people need to have with their
with their kids from no matter what your.
Speaker 2 (33:47):
Race or it doesn't matter, I mean, I don't care.
Speaker 1 (33:50):
But allow yourself to get in these kinds of confrontations
because ultimately they could go this way. Yeah, and it's
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