April 25, 2025 • 36 mins
We talk about SCOTUS derailing deportations, and how a legion of "intellectuals" that Joe Rogan put on the map...are now plotting to censor alt media by taking him out. Special Note: Some adult language.
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
This is Red Pilled America. Hey, this is.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
Patrick Carolci and I'm Adriana Cortez and welcome to Red
Pilled America's fam boogie.
Speaker 1 (00:32):
What a week? How's the week going, Adriana PTEs?
Speaker 2 (00:36):
You always say what a week? What a week? What
a week?
Speaker 1 (00:39):
You know what? I love life. I love everything about
love my life. I love everything about living my life
with you, and so every day is just absolute joy.
It's perfection. It's heaven on earth.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
And that's why it's what a week? Yeah, He's like,
what a week? With this one of God? My week
was pretty pretty good. Hi, everybody, Welcome to Red Pilled
America's vam boogie, where we talk about everything going on
in cultural something's going on with politics, some Hollywood stuff,
just a bunch of good stuff that happened this week.
(01:14):
Kind of wrap it up.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
If you want to go be a FANBAM member, go
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top menu and join the Fanbam. We need you guys.
Support what you love it goes away. You know, I've
been hearing a lot of people say, oh, after you know,
this victory of this election, they kind of have taken
a politics and basically the culture war is kind of
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taking a back seat and has gone in the back burner.
We kind of have that handled. There is the the
the barbarians keep rushing the gate. Guys. We need everybody
engaged right now because things are they're getting intense. I
feel like they're getting intense. We're going to talk about it, Josh.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
The left is crying up a storm.
Speaker 1 (02:03):
We're going to talk about a bunch of stuff. We're
going to talk about deportations and the kind of this
cotis pause and what that kind of means. We're going
to get into this attack on Joe Rogan right now,
and what it means is that there's a kind of
a stealth attack happening on Joe Rogan, which I think
is kind of an important thing to get into. We're
(02:23):
going to get into some conservative feminism that's happening right now,
and we're going to talk a little bit about Kanye
West and just some really shocking things that he has
admitted to recently. And then we're going to go backstage
and talk a little bit about some Hollywood, some bright
spots in Hollywood, what we're watching, and some a little
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bit of wokeness that's creeping into pretty much my favorite franchise,
one of my favorite franchises.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
Okay, so let's get back to my week.
Speaker 1 (02:52):
Yes, how was your week?
Speaker 3 (02:53):
So?
Speaker 2 (02:53):
You know, I had such a great week, you guys,
because my daughter is playing Cinderella in Cinderella. She's Cinderella, yep.
And I got to volunteer at her school this week
and help backstage, and it's just been the time of
my life. This is what I live for. I live
for this moment to be able to help her and
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be there and watch her in her element and just
see what a great, great girl she's turned into.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
You know, she really has turned into it.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
It's been such a such a great week, and I'm
just so proud of her. So that took up a
good portion of my week. I was also incredibly happy
with the new episode of What Is an American? I'm
going to say it again, this is my favorite series
that we've ever done, and we're.
Speaker 1 (03:45):
Going to get into some really interesting topics over the
next couple episodes. I think we're gonna we're gonna take
a little bit of a sidetrack and go down American
citizenship and kind of like how that started to develop
We're going to get into that next week.
Speaker 3 (04:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:01):
You know, when we were actually recording this last week's episode,
this episode that launched on Monday, we were getting very
choked up.
Speaker 1 (04:09):
I never get choked up.
Speaker 2 (04:11):
Oh gosh, you guys. He cries every.
Speaker 1 (04:12):
Day every day. Yeah, I'm basically Jordan Peterson.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
Anyway, how was your week?
Speaker 4 (04:20):
Uh?
Speaker 1 (04:20):
You know what? I learned something this week? How difficult
planks are? You know how a plank? I know, but
I'm learning it again. My workouts have been pretty solid.
I feel like right now I'm getting in some of
the best shape of my life. But planks are not easy.
(04:41):
And you know what's hard is pull ups. Pull Ups
are probably the hardest thing to do with your dead
not good, and I'm not I'm embarrassed to say. I'm
embarrassed to say. I feel like if I was to
enter into if I was to go trans and enter
in the female dead hang, you'd still lose. I would
I would get crushed. I would get crushed. I'm horrible
(05:02):
at the dead hangs. And I actually take it pretty seriously.
It's kind of an important one because if I always
have this vision that we're going to be on like
some boat or some cruise or something, and I'm basically
somehow fall off the deck and I'm hanging on for
dear life, trying to like survive.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
Wait, you have that vision.
Speaker 1 (05:20):
I've had that vision, yes, But you're a psychopath. I
have a lot of visions like that vision to be
boned when I cross an intersection.
Speaker 2 (05:27):
I'm always, yeah, well, that's that's a solid fear though,
that's a that's a good, healthy feel.
Speaker 3 (05:31):
Well, how is that?
Speaker 1 (05:32):
How is any different falling off of a deck of
a cruise show.
Speaker 2 (05:35):
First of all, we've never been on a cruise and
we're never going to.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
That's why we're not going to go on a cruise
because I don't want to be hanging off with a
stupid So let's get into this deportation of stuff that's
going on right now, because I'm getting frustrated. Oh god,
this was a while ago. This was probably one of
the first times I ever wrote for Breitbart where I
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got a very negative response from an article that I wrote.
And I wrote something about illegal immigration, and I wrote,
was I basically saw the writing on the wall at
that time. I want to say it was like two
thousand and maybe twenty eleven and I said that basically,
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our leaders have no power to and no will to
deport all these illegal immigrants, and we need to start
to figure out how to work with them. I don't
want to do amnesty, but I wanted to figure out
how to work with them because politically, I felt like
the tsunami that had already hit our America shores had
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already hit the American shores. We can't get these people out.
I have the will in that, am you Well, I'm
kind of being proven right in some ways because it
doesn't appear like the president has the tools to deport
even criminals, even people that are clearly criminals that have
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a record. Now, I've since changed my feeling on that
back then, and I feel like, no matter what, it's
a fight that we can't we have to continue to
fight and continue to fight, and this fight we have
to continue. But it feels like he just doesn't have
the tools to do it, and he has a court
and in a judicial system that is blocking him at
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every turn. Now I'm sure you guys have heard about this,
maybe you haven't, but over the weekend, in an emergency
kind of decision, Scotus basically blocked or should say temporarily
temporarily paused his Trump's deportation of Venezuelans that were in Texas.
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He was using a eighteenth century wartime law, and they
had an emergency hearing. And I want to read part
of this article here because it kind of kind of
starts the topic. Supreme Court blocks new deportations of Venezuelans
in Texas under eighteenth century wartime law. Supreme Court on
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Saturday hit pause on the Trump administration's use of an
eighteenth century wartime law to deport Venezuelan migrants to a
prison in El Salvador. In a seven and two emergency
order just after midnight, the justices temporarily blocked deportation under
the Alien Enemies Act, which Trump invoked last month, citing
the Venezuelan gang trend de Aragua as evidence of an invasion.
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The ACLU filed an urgent appeal Friday, warning that another
wave of deportation flights was eminent. So this is who
were the two? Who are the what?
Speaker 2 (08:48):
Who are the two?
Speaker 1 (08:50):
Of course, it's always who it is. It's Clarence Thomas
and Alito those are the only two, like true right
wing conservatives up there. I mean, I Clarence Thomas and
Alito are just like they are going to go down
as American heroes. But so this is kind of the
frustration in this is that now you have the Supreme
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Court stopping him, and these are people that are deemed gangs,
they're deemed criminals, and we're seeing the problem that we're
having here with this, and I almost like watching this happen.
I saw this segment that Jesse Kelly discussed on this topic.
I actually want to play a clip of it because
(09:32):
it really parallels some of my feelings on this.
Speaker 3 (09:36):
Not only should the Supreme Court be completely ignored by
the Trump administration, anybody officer of the Court or otherwise
who tries to step in should be arrested and thrown
in prison themselves. And if the Supreme Court wants to
push the issue, the Supreme Court should be dissolved entirely,
completely disappear the entire Supreme Court. Why do I say that,
because you do not have a country and cannot and
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will not have a country if they can import twenty
million people with without the court stopping them. And the
second we try to do so, we are told there's
due process, there's the lower court, you have to do
it the right way. This is a rule, this is
the law. But what about the bave vive. I don't
care about your legal arguments either. Well, Jesse, what about
the rit of heyb, it's corporates. I don't None of
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your arguments mean anything to me at all. Can I
deport foreign barbarians as fast as they brought them in?
If the answer to your question, If the answer to
my question by you is no, that I don't care
about anything else you say. I don't care about your education.
I don't care about your justification. I don't care about
your constitution. I don't care about the rules. I don't
care about what Reagan said or Washington said.
Speaker 1 (10:40):
B B.
Speaker 3 (10:41):
I don't give a crap. If I am not allowed
to deport foreign barbarians as fast as the demons can
bring them in, then your argument sucks and I ignore
it completely. And I don't celebrate where we are. I
want to be clear about that. This is a terrible
place to be. I can't believe that we are here.
Speaker 1 (11:01):
So this is kind of when I am.
Speaker 5 (11:02):
I think I love him.
Speaker 1 (11:03):
Yeah, he's great. He's great, And I think that I
feel the same way that he feels. Right now, there's
this frustration, this anger, this and especially in the middle
of this What's an American series where we start to
really look at citizenship and what it means, and how
the Left has just chipped away at the veracity of
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what it means to be an American and the legitimacy of
what it means and becoming just becoming this kind of
international dumping spot for all of the problems. You know,
we went to Mexico City last year and I got
to tell you all of this talk about Mexico being
like trash and like third world country, Mexico City was beautiful.
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It reminded me of New York City and Paris circa
two thousand and four two thousand and five timeframe, where
you know, kind of crime wasn't bad and it was
clean and it was beautiful. And this is what Mexico
City reminded me just last summer. And why is that
Mexico deports all of their poor to our country.
Speaker 2 (12:16):
Not they're poor, but they're problem people.
Speaker 1 (12:18):
They're poor, and their problem people, they have an issue
with the economy. They deport they just allow people to
flood in and then so and recently the Mexican president
is deriding DHS. Trump's DHS for running ads on Mexican
television basically discouraging people from illegally immigrating into the United States,
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claiming that it is discriminatory. Okay, so this has been
part of their policy, and they've made a beautiful city
because of it.
Speaker 4 (12:51):
They have.
Speaker 2 (12:52):
You know, when we went to Mexico and when we
went to Costa Rica, just a little sidebar, I too,
discouraged people from coming here with very tall tales of
what would happen to them here in America.
Speaker 1 (13:04):
I'm not kidding.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
Perfect Spanish. They were like, we want to go to America.
I said, oh no, no, no, you don't want to come
to America. They do very very bad things to people
like you. I'm not kidding.
Speaker 1 (13:20):
Well, but when I'm seeing this all right now, I
start to see how a dictatorship starts. Is that you
have this faction of people that want to completely change
the fabric of your country. You win an election like
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Trump did, and you say, okay, I want to clean
this all up, and you win on that platform, and
the American people say, yes, we want you to clean
up the way that you We want all of the
illegals gone, okay, this is what and the and the polls, Martin,
and the and the polls show this. Okay, the polls
show that they want to get rid of the public
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wants all illegal immigrants to get rid to be deported. Okay.
So you win the election and then you start to
see the machine fight against you. And then you start
to do the math and you're like, wait a minute.
If we get out of power, these people are not
only going to jail us, they might kill us. And
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so from there they start to escalate and take more
and more control of things and more and more power,
because if they don't, they're dead. This is how dictatorships start.
And so you know, I don't and I don't think
that that's what Jesse Kelly is advocating for. But you
start to see how that can happen. You start to see, oh,
(14:50):
wait a minute. These people don't care about our laws,
and don't care about our country, don't care about our
founding principles, don't care about the principles that started this
country and made this country work for one hundred and
what you know, sixty two hundred years. You know, they
don't care about them.
Speaker 2 (15:08):
I understand what you're saying, but this is very very
dangerous talk and using words like dictatorships. And by the way, also,
I feel like Trump, you know, touting this twenty twenty
eight hat and Eric Trump wearing the hat and images.
I don't like that either.
Speaker 1 (15:25):
I don't think it's smart.
Speaker 2 (15:26):
I don't think that that's smart.
Speaker 1 (15:27):
I don't think it's I get it, it's trolling.
Speaker 2 (15:29):
I don't think it's trolling, But I don't think it's smart.
I don't like it.
Speaker 1 (15:32):
No, I don't like it either. What I'm saying is
is that there is You start to understand, like I've
always wondered, how do these places go this way? How
do these countries become dictatorships? How do the people like
get so frustrated that they allow a dictator to take over?
And you start to see how this happens when you
have a court system working against you. For a perfect example,
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New Mexico. Okay, there's a leftist New Mexico judge he
likes unceremoniously retired earlier. I think it was earlier this month,
might have been late last month, retires and gave no
reason for it. Turns out that he was raided and
at his house was This was what's the name of
this gang again, trend de Aragua, Venezuelan gang. Members of
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that gang were at his house living with him. He
was providing them shelter at the house. This was a
New Mexico judge, a leftist New Mexico judge. His boyfriends,
we don't know, but they were. Him and his wife
were recently arrested. Him and his wife were recently arrested.
But he had multiple of these gang members at his house.
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This is the same Venezuelan gang that Trump is trying
to deport out of the country that Scotus basically paused
him from doing that. This is what we're up against
is we even have American judges. Now, this judge has
been disbarred forever. He can never be on the on
the bench again. But this is just one judge. How
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many these corrupt son of the bitches are doing this
all over the country, stopping him, constantly, stopping him from
deporting criminals out of this country.
Speaker 2 (17:12):
You know what he should get, the death penalty.
Speaker 1 (17:14):
I mean it feels treasonous, Yes, it feels treasonous to me. Yes,
And you're seeing this time and time again, and so
it resonates with me. What Jesse says, it's a it
is a also you cross that line the doors that
you open up. But they're gonna do it anyways. They've
been doing it this to us. They tried to kill
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the president, they tried to jail him, they tried to
bankrupt him, they tried to to humiliate him, They raided
his house. They they went after his family, they went
after his lawyers, they jailed his lawyers, they jailed they
threw j six ers in the gulag. And you didn't
have the Supreme Court coming out and saying, Oh, these
people need due process. Oh what are you guys doing.
(17:56):
Why are you guys throwing these people into jail forever?
Why aren't you giving these people due process? Why aren't
you trying any these people? How do you get one
hundred percent conviction on all of these people in j
six That doesn't happen. You don't get one hundred percent
conviction on these kinds of things. The Supreme Court didn't
speak out, then, Roberts didn't come out and speak out
at that time and stop any of that. Yet they
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come out and speak as we are getting ready to
deport Venezuelan's that the federal government has found to be
a part of this.
Speaker 2 (18:26):
And this is supposedly the court that is stacked in
our favor.
Speaker 1 (18:29):
Well, it's some of Trump's judges as well stopping him.
I know, I'm not just talking about the Scotist judges.
I'm talking about some of the other federal judges that.
Speaker 2 (18:37):
Have stopped it. Is so upsetting. I mean, they can
flood in, but we can't get rid of him.
Speaker 1 (18:41):
And that is the system that they have set up.
They've set up this system to where they flood us
with tens of millions of illegal immigrants and they want
each one to have quote unquote due process.
Speaker 2 (18:53):
All right, Well, I'm going to say a prayer that
Stephen Miller can figure this out. Let's hope anybody can
figure this out. I think he can, you know.
Speaker 1 (19:00):
And there was a time, you know, there was something
that happen and years ago, this is eighteen thirty two.
It was Worcester versus Virginia, excuse me, Worcester versus Georgia.
Scotis ruled in favor of the Cherokee Indians. Cherokee Indians
were basically fighting to keep in the land, in the
land that they were on in Georgia their quote unquote
ancestral land, so Scotis found in their favor, said they
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could stay there, and President Jackson, Andrew Jackson at the
time said, I guess he ignored the decision, and he
allegedly said something along the lines of John Marshall was
the head of the lead judge in the Supreme Court
at the time. This is what Andrew Jackson said, John
Marshall has made his decision, now let him enforce it.
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He ignored the ruling and didn't enforce the finding of
the Scotis of Scotis, and Georgia proceeded to eject the
Cherokees from their area, and then you know, they came
up with this really sob story of a line and
the trail of tears. That's when the Indians all had
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to basically excavate from that area and go to you know,
another location. But there's precedence to this ignoring a Scotis
decision when it is clearly set up to destroy the country.
Speaker 2 (20:20):
Okay, okay, well I like that, so gives me.
Speaker 1 (20:22):
It is a little bit. It's we're living in scary
times right now. And I will say this with this,
with this immigration fight, we can't lose it. Now we
lose it, we lose the country. These are the kinds
of fights, These are kinds of hills that the Trump
administration has to be willing to die on. They have
to fight it with every tool that they possibly have.
(20:45):
Maybe they have some tools that they don't know about.
And here's another thought. Maybe Scotis is doing this because
they are actually seeing his birthright citizenship executive order. They're
going to be hearing that the case. Donald Trump wrote
an executive order that in interprets the birthright citizenship of
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the fourteenth Amendment in the way that the writers of
the Fourteenth Amendment actually wrote it. And so Trump wrote
an executive order that mimicked the original interpretation of the
fourteenth Amendment. That case is going in front of Scotus,
and so perhaps they're doing this to give themselves leverage
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to make a decision on that case, because it's going
to be a profound case. It is going to be
a profound case. I'd like to think it's that. My
hope is is that the Trump administration has some other
tools that they haven't pulled. But I have seen some
of their conversations on this, and even Trump's tweet on this,
and it sounded like a frustration tweet to me more
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than anything. So let's hope they stick to this tooth
and nail to the very last day of his second term.
We're going to get into a couple other topics, including
the attack on Joe Rogan. We're going to get to
that right after the break. You're listening to Red Pilled
America's fam Boogie, and we're going to get into a
(22:13):
recent kind of it seems like an orchestrated attack against
Joe Rogan by some of the people that he has
helped give a huge platform too. It's been kind of
an interesting thing that I see forming on the in
the right or conservative media, and a censorship kind of
realm that's entering into the mix right now. So we
(22:36):
a couple of weeks ago we talked about this topic.
You guys might have remembered. This is Douglas Murray, who
I think of fancies himself as a British intellectual I
would agree with that went onto the Joe Rogan Show
and he was supposed to debate Dave Smith, and I
thought it was going to be and I think everybody
(22:56):
thought it was going to be kind of a debate
between two sides of the Israel Gaza war, Dave being
you know, kind of anti Israel, pro let's stop the
war in Gaza and stop you know, the killing, and
Douglas Murray definitely, you know, pro Israel. This needs to
kind of happen, this war needs to kind of happen thing.
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And I was very interested kind of entering into this debate.
I've had some friends that told me and spoke very
highly of Douglas Murray, and so I kind of was,
you know, and there's been times of Dave Smith has
kind annoyed me, and so I thought, well, let's let's
see where this kind of goes. And I ended the
debate and I said this a couple of weeks ago.
I entered the debate kind of very open minded, wanting
(23:38):
kind of Douglas to prevail or at least do well
in the argument. He opens and he immediately starts to
go at Joe Rogan for the kinds of people that
he platforms.
Speaker 2 (23:55):
And he immediately took the censorship route.
Speaker 1 (23:58):
I initially thought, Okay, I like that he's calling out
Joe Rogan for having a guy like Ian Carroll on
because Ian Carroll said some like wildly false things on
his show, but instead he kind of just it was
more of a kind of a gatekeeping thing, like you said,
And let's play a clip of this real quickly.
Speaker 6 (24:19):
Look, I just feel we should get it out straight away.
I feel you've opened the door to quite a lot
of people who've now got a big platform, who have
been throwing out counterhistorical stuff of a very dangerous kind.
Speaker 3 (24:32):
You mean Darryl A you're talking about Derek Daryl.
Speaker 6 (24:34):
Who's the other one. I don't think Darryl has guy Derek.
Speaker 3 (24:41):
Cooper?
Speaker 6 (24:42):
Which one is? Who's the other one? There was one
I just checked on the way here, Daryl Cooper and
then yeah, Darryl Cooper, Ian Carroll. Look, these guys are
not historians, they're not knowledgeable.
Speaker 3 (24:56):
No one's calling Ian Carroll.
Speaker 6 (24:58):
But then why listen to their views on Churchill. He's not,
he's not.
Speaker 1 (25:05):
So he basically instead of kind of going into point
by point arguments and actually starting to debate Dave Dave Smith,
he instead was kind of focusing on Joe Rogan and
trying to almost shame him by and trying to gatekeep
on who he should and should not platform, and so
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you're starting to see this now all the way across
the board. So there was this moment in their discussion
where Douglas Murray started to get into the Gaza debate
with Dave Smith. The argument starts to go towards the
Israel not allowing certain supplies into Gaza, and Douglas Murray
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said that's not happening, that Israel's not stopping supplies from
going in there, and there starts to be an exchange
on this, and this was Douglas Murray's response to that, have.
Speaker 6 (25:57):
You been to the crossing points?
Speaker 5 (25:59):
Now?
Speaker 6 (26:00):
When were you last there?
Speaker 3 (26:01):
At all?
Speaker 6 (26:01):
I've never been, You've never beam?
Speaker 5 (26:03):
Well, am I not allowed to talk about it now?
I've never been to Have you ever been to Nazi Germany?
Are you allowed to have feelings about them?
Speaker 6 (26:09):
You can't time travel? But right, but you can't travel?
Speaker 1 (26:12):
Okay?
Speaker 5 (26:12):
But so what so what's the point?
Speaker 3 (26:14):
Like?
Speaker 6 (26:14):
No, Okay, I find that.
Speaker 5 (26:15):
Lots of people have been there and agree with me,
and lots of people have been there and agree with you.
Speaker 6 (26:19):
You're going to spend a year and a half talking
about a place you should at least do the courtesy
of visiting it.
Speaker 4 (26:24):
All right?
Speaker 5 (26:25):
I just think this is a non argument.
Speaker 1 (26:27):
Okay, No, I think it's a non argument.
Speaker 6 (26:29):
But well, you have to go and touch the ground. No,
I think you have to see. I think it's a
good idea to see stuff, particularly if you spend a
career talking about something.
Speaker 1 (26:37):
So I kind of agree with that to a certain degree,
I feel like and I was kind of my eyes
were open to this when Tucker Carlson talked about this
a while back. He had conversation with his father when
he first started getting involved in basically speaking out against
the Iraq war in the Middleast wars, and his father said, Okay,
you're going to go out there, and he's like, oh, no,
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I didn't plan on it. He's, oh, you're one of
those kinds of guys and so of shamed as Tucker
Carlson into going out there to the Middle East. And
so he kind of opened my eyes to that, and
I think I think there is a point to be
to be had there with Douglas. But what he's really
trying to do is dictate who can and cannot talk
about topics. And you are an expert if you agree
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with me, and you are not an expert if you
don't agree with me because there's plenty of people that
you can bring out from let's say Columbia University that
are quote unquote experts, you know, on the Middle East
that have been there, that are diametrically opposite positions to
a Douglas Murray. But there is this censorship thing now
happening on well, and we touched on.
Speaker 2 (27:40):
All of this last week, but I think what's happening
now is that this guy Douglas Murray and a bunch
of other people that Rogan sort of put on the
map are now kind of teaming up to try and
take out Rogan.
Speaker 1 (27:51):
So here's Sam.
Speaker 2 (27:51):
I agree with that.
Speaker 1 (27:52):
Yes, here's Sam Harris. This is somebody that Rogan helped
put on the map. You know, Sam Harris had an
audience before he was on Rogan, but Rogan created a
mildly bigger platform for him, a much more mainstream platform.
Here's Sam Harris going at Joe Rogan.
Speaker 5 (28:08):
Listen, if you get across the table from Joe and
you don't have your facts straight about MMA, or you're
going to say something bad about marijuana, He's going to
crush you. Right, He'll crush you in five seconds, and
he will never let up. Until you start making sense,
and if you don't, the conversation's over.
Speaker 4 (28:27):
Right.
Speaker 5 (28:27):
I mean, maybe they'll he'll change the subject politely, but
you know you're never coming back, and you know he
will make no secret of the fact that he thinks
you're a moron. Right. He doesn't do that when Darryl Cooper,
the podcast host and amateur historian who he really admires,
(28:47):
gets on there and starts spouting David Irving's fake Holocaust history,
because he doesn't know that he's doing that, right, He
hasn't prepared himself to do that, and he doesn't see
the liability of talking to a entirely self taught, you know,
enthusiast of taboo history and not being prepared to push
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back against it.
Speaker 1 (29:12):
So you have that, you have James Lindsay, who's been
on our show before, basically going at Rogan and saying this,
this is something that he posted shortly after the Douglas
Murray interview. From everything I'm hearing from people who don't
live on social media, the only loser of the debate
(29:34):
was Joe Rogan. This was the debate between Douglas Murrians
and Dave Smith. Maybe he's teflon but I think he's
being taken out and that Douglas was one of his
last lifelines. And then you have Canadian Jordan Peterson go
on the Joe Rogan experience to suddenly check Rogan. Here's
Jordan appearing on Rogan this week, questioning Rogan if there
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are any limitations to his curiosity.
Speaker 4 (29:57):
And the issue is how do you identify the psychopathic pretenders?
And it's even worse now and then make a barrier
right now. The right was calling for the left to
do that for decades and they didn't and they couldn't.
And the left is not good at drawing barriers, partly temperamentally.
The right is somewhat better, but there's no shortage of
(30:18):
monstrosity there and and so then the question is how
do you how do you draw the line? And that's
kind of what I was because I've been watching these
right wing they're not right wing. These psychopathic types manipulate
the edge of the conservative movement for their own gain,
(30:39):
and a lot of that's cloaked and anti Semitic guys.
There's plenty of anti semitism on the left too, by
the way, so it's not unique to the right. Now, Yes, yes, yes,
particularly now. And so you know, you've let your curiosity
guide you, your curiosity and your desire for knowledge, this
quest you've you've let that guide you as a podcaster.
(30:59):
And I'm by the way, I'm trying to work through
exactly the same sort of thing. How do you know,
given your radical increase in stature over the last ten years,
how do you know when your curiosity and even your
skepticism about the fact that things aren't the way that
people say they are, because that's certainly been demonstrated in
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the last ten years, how do you how should anyone
decide what guardrails to put up, like what do you
look for?
Speaker 1 (31:29):
So what Jordan Peterson appears to be doing here is
asking Rogan to set up guard rails on his curiosity
to not go too far and entertaining questions. In other words,
he's gatekeeping. These are people that Joe Rogan helped put
on the map, and now these people are moving towards censorship.
And I think you know, there's been a couple of
(31:51):
different theories as to why this is happening. Some believe
that there's this beat drum to war with Iran, and
that's potentially why this is happening. Joe Rogan is definitely
anti war kind of a guy. Think he's kind of
libertarian in that way, and all of these voices are
kind of pro neo con kinds of voices. Even Malcolm Gladwell,
(32:13):
the famed writer of The Tipping Point, went at him
and basically did an intervention this week, did a Joe
Rogan intervention, kind of calling him out for not being
prepared for these interviews and not pushing back on these,
you know, on some of these topics, and so I
just I find it fascinating that all of these voices
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that are supposed to be these kind of pro free
speech kind of you know, not safe spaces on campus,
you know, against censorship, against the wokeness, are now all
teaming up against this guy. And I also think it's
kind of interesting that you have people like Douglas Murray
and Jordan Peterson, who are both not Americans, coming on
(32:55):
to an American show and trying to set up guardrails
about what can and can't and who can and can't talk.
And it's fascinating because both of those guys their countries
have gone to shit with the with the weight of
wokeness in their countries. Okay, they both flee those areas.
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They come to what they view as an economic zone
America and are trying to dictate who and who cannot
speak on certain topics. Jordan, of all people, this man.
I've lost respect for this man. Going back to when
he wanted Kavanaugh to resign after getting confirmed in Scotus,
(33:37):
he ends up having getting caught up in a drug addiction.
The man has not been a the pillar of an
ideal kind of you know, truth teller. Okay, he goes
and works for for CAA and one of the biggest
Hollywood agencies around.
Speaker 2 (33:55):
Doesn't work for them, but he's being represented by.
Speaker 1 (33:57):
Exactly so this is kind of It's been kind of
an interesting thing to kind of watch. You know, he
teamed up with the ADL to go at you know,
Candace Owens recently. He also has it was put a
big pusher of the vaccine at the time that the
vaccine happened. I just don't understand how this is happening
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right now and why there are so many kind of
these foreign players coming into America and trying to impose
their foreign parameters to who should and shouldn't talk. Go
back to Canada and deal with that shithole. Go back
to England that now has like Muslim mayor after Muslim mayor,
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after Muslim mayor in a English island, deal with your crap.
Don't come here and tell us who can and can't talk.
If you're going to come into America, argue the points
that you are the directly argue the points that you
can tend are wrong, rather than trying to dictate who
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can and can't debate. Because both of these people might
have serious points to make. There's a serious issue with
the rise of conspiracy theorism on the right. Okay, there
are also very strong arguments for some of Israel's positions
and Israel's actions in the area. Okay, there might be
(35:26):
some concerns with Iran. Tackle those points and have those arguments,
rather than trying to dictate who can and can't talk,
because all you're going to do is raise anti Semitism
with those arguments, because you're going when you enter into
the censorship realm, and when you say who can and
can't talk about these kinds of things, all the anti
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Semites come forward and say, see, see what they're trying
to do. See this is a plot all of these
guys are coming out together to try to take out
Joe Rogan and silence the conversation because their ideas suck.
They can't make arguments when there are very valid arguments
for all all of these things. There's very valid arguments
to be had against some of these things and some
(36:08):
of these issues that they're bringing up, but instead they
move to censorship. It drives me crazy. So we're gonna
get into Part two next. We're going to be talking
about some conservative feminism that's been kind of entering the realm,
and we're also going to talk about a Kanye collapse
(36:29):
that we've been seeing that kind of speaks to a
broader shift in culture right now. We're going to get
to that in Part two. Join us over there right now,
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We kind of have that handled. There is the the
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Speaker 2 (02:00):
The left is crying up a storm.
Speaker 1 (02:03):
We're going to talk about a bunch of stuff. We're
going to talk about deportations and the kind of this
cotis pause and what that kind of means. We're going
to get into this attack on Joe Rogan right now,
and what it means is that there's a kind of
a stealth attack happening on Joe Rogan, which I think
is kind of an important thing to get into. We're
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going to get into some conservative feminism that's happening right now,
and we're going to talk a little bit about Kanye
West and just some really shocking things that he has
admitted to recently. And then we're going to go backstage
and talk a little bit about some Hollywood, some bright
spots in Hollywood, what we're watching, and some a little
(02:45):
bit of wokeness that's creeping into pretty much my favorite franchise,
one of my favorite franchises.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
Okay, so let's get back to my week.
Speaker 1 (02:52):
Yes, how was your week?
Speaker 3 (02:53):
So?
Speaker 2 (02:53):
You know, I had such a great week, you guys,
because my daughter is playing Cinderella in Cinderella. She's Cinderella, yep.
And I got to volunteer at her school this week
and help backstage, and it's just been the time of
my life. This is what I live for. I live
for this moment to be able to help her and
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be there and watch her in her element and just
see what a great, great girl she's turned into.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
You know, she really has turned into it.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
It's been such a such a great week, and I'm
just so proud of her. So that took up a
good portion of my week. I was also incredibly happy
with the new episode of What Is an American? I'm
going to say it again, this is my favorite series
that we've ever done, and we're.
Speaker 1 (03:45):
Going to get into some really interesting topics over the
next couple episodes. I think we're gonna we're gonna take
a little bit of a sidetrack and go down American
citizenship and kind of like how that started to develop
We're going to get into that next week.
Speaker 3 (04:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:01):
You know, when we were actually recording this last week's episode,
this episode that launched on Monday, we were getting very
choked up.
Speaker 1 (04:09):
I never get choked up.
Speaker 2 (04:11):
Oh gosh, you guys. He cries every.
Speaker 1 (04:12):
Day every day. Yeah, I'm basically Jordan Peterson.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
Anyway, how was your week?
Speaker 4 (04:20):
Uh?
Speaker 1 (04:20):
You know what? I learned something this week? How difficult
planks are? You know how a plank? I know, but
I'm learning it again. My workouts have been pretty solid.
I feel like right now I'm getting in some of
the best shape of my life. But planks are not easy.
(04:41):
And you know what's hard is pull ups. Pull Ups
are probably the hardest thing to do with your dead
not good, and I'm not I'm embarrassed to say. I'm
embarrassed to say. I feel like if I was to
enter into if I was to go trans and enter
in the female dead hang, you'd still lose. I would
I would get crushed. I would get crushed. I'm horrible
(05:02):
at the dead hangs. And I actually take it pretty seriously.
It's kind of an important one because if I always
have this vision that we're going to be on like
some boat or some cruise or something, and I'm basically
somehow fall off the deck and I'm hanging on for
dear life, trying to like survive.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
Wait, you have that vision.
Speaker 1 (05:20):
I've had that vision, yes, But you're a psychopath. I
have a lot of visions like that vision to be
boned when I cross an intersection.
Speaker 2 (05:27):
I'm always, yeah, well, that's that's a solid fear though,
that's a that's a good, healthy feel.
Speaker 3 (05:31):
Well, how is that?
Speaker 1 (05:32):
How is any different falling off of a deck of
a cruise show.
Speaker 2 (05:35):
First of all, we've never been on a cruise and
we're never going to.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
That's why we're not going to go on a cruise
because I don't want to be hanging off with a
stupid So let's get into this deportation of stuff that's
going on right now, because I'm getting frustrated. Oh god,
this was a while ago. This was probably one of
the first times I ever wrote for Breitbart where I
(05:58):
got a very negative response from an article that I wrote.
And I wrote something about illegal immigration, and I wrote,
was I basically saw the writing on the wall at
that time. I want to say it was like two
thousand and maybe twenty eleven and I said that basically,
(06:20):
our leaders have no power to and no will to
deport all these illegal immigrants, and we need to start
to figure out how to work with them. I don't
want to do amnesty, but I wanted to figure out
how to work with them because politically, I felt like
the tsunami that had already hit our America shores had
(06:44):
already hit the American shores. We can't get these people out.
I have the will in that, am you Well, I'm
kind of being proven right in some ways because it
doesn't appear like the president has the tools to deport
even criminals, even people that are clearly criminals that have
(07:07):
a record. Now, I've since changed my feeling on that
back then, and I feel like, no matter what, it's
a fight that we can't we have to continue to
fight and continue to fight, and this fight we have
to continue. But it feels like he just doesn't have
the tools to do it, and he has a court
and in a judicial system that is blocking him at
(07:29):
every turn. Now I'm sure you guys have heard about this,
maybe you haven't, but over the weekend, in an emergency
kind of decision, Scotus basically blocked or should say temporarily
temporarily paused his Trump's deportation of Venezuelans that were in Texas.
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He was using a eighteenth century wartime law, and they
had an emergency hearing. And I want to read part
of this article here because it kind of kind of
starts the topic. Supreme Court blocks new deportations of Venezuelans
in Texas under eighteenth century wartime law. Supreme Court on
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Saturday hit pause on the Trump administration's use of an
eighteenth century wartime law to deport Venezuelan migrants to a
prison in El Salvador. In a seven and two emergency
order just after midnight, the justices temporarily blocked deportation under
the Alien Enemies Act, which Trump invoked last month, citing
the Venezuelan gang trend de Aragua as evidence of an invasion.
(08:37):
The ACLU filed an urgent appeal Friday, warning that another
wave of deportation flights was eminent. So this is who
were the two? Who are the what?
Speaker 2 (08:48):
Who are the two?
Speaker 1 (08:50):
Of course, it's always who it is. It's Clarence Thomas
and Alito those are the only two, like true right
wing conservatives up there. I mean, I Clarence Thomas and
Alito are just like they are going to go down
as American heroes. But so this is kind of the
frustration in this is that now you have the Supreme
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Court stopping him, and these are people that are deemed gangs,
they're deemed criminals, and we're seeing the problem that we're
having here with this, and I almost like watching this happen.
I saw this segment that Jesse Kelly discussed on this topic.
I actually want to play a clip of it because
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it really parallels some of my feelings on this.
Speaker 3 (09:36):
Not only should the Supreme Court be completely ignored by
the Trump administration, anybody officer of the Court or otherwise
who tries to step in should be arrested and thrown
in prison themselves. And if the Supreme Court wants to
push the issue, the Supreme Court should be dissolved entirely,
completely disappear the entire Supreme Court. Why do I say that,
because you do not have a country and cannot and
(09:58):
will not have a country if they can import twenty
million people with without the court stopping them. And the
second we try to do so, we are told there's
due process, there's the lower court, you have to do
it the right way. This is a rule, this is
the law. But what about the bave vive. I don't
care about your legal arguments either. Well, Jesse, what about
the rit of heyb, it's corporates. I don't None of
(10:20):
your arguments mean anything to me at all. Can I
deport foreign barbarians as fast as they brought them in?
If the answer to your question, If the answer to
my question by you is no, that I don't care
about anything else you say. I don't care about your education.
I don't care about your justification. I don't care about
your constitution. I don't care about the rules. I don't
care about what Reagan said or Washington said.
Speaker 1 (10:40):
B B.
Speaker 3 (10:41):
I don't give a crap. If I am not allowed
to deport foreign barbarians as fast as the demons can
bring them in, then your argument sucks and I ignore
it completely. And I don't celebrate where we are. I
want to be clear about that. This is a terrible
place to be. I can't believe that we are here.
Speaker 1 (11:01):
So this is kind of when I am.
Speaker 5 (11:02):
I think I love him.
Speaker 1 (11:03):
Yeah, he's great. He's great, And I think that I
feel the same way that he feels. Right now, there's
this frustration, this anger, this and especially in the middle
of this What's an American series where we start to
really look at citizenship and what it means, and how
the Left has just chipped away at the veracity of
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what it means to be an American and the legitimacy of
what it means and becoming just becoming this kind of
international dumping spot for all of the problems. You know,
we went to Mexico City last year and I got
to tell you all of this talk about Mexico being
like trash and like third world country, Mexico City was beautiful.
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It reminded me of New York City and Paris circa
two thousand and four two thousand and five timeframe, where
you know, kind of crime wasn't bad and it was
clean and it was beautiful. And this is what Mexico
City reminded me just last summer. And why is that
Mexico deports all of their poor to our country.
Speaker 2 (12:16):
Not they're poor, but they're problem people.
Speaker 1 (12:18):
They're poor, and their problem people, they have an issue
with the economy. They deport they just allow people to
flood in and then so and recently the Mexican president
is deriding DHS. Trump's DHS for running ads on Mexican
television basically discouraging people from illegally immigrating into the United States,
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claiming that it is discriminatory. Okay, so this has been
part of their policy, and they've made a beautiful city
because of it.
Speaker 4 (12:51):
They have.
Speaker 2 (12:52):
You know, when we went to Mexico and when we
went to Costa Rica, just a little sidebar, I too,
discouraged people from coming here with very tall tales of
what would happen to them here in America.
Speaker 1 (13:04):
I'm not kidding.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
Perfect Spanish. They were like, we want to go to America.
I said, oh no, no, no, you don't want to come
to America. They do very very bad things to people
like you. I'm not kidding.
Speaker 1 (13:20):
Well, but when I'm seeing this all right now, I
start to see how a dictatorship starts. Is that you
have this faction of people that want to completely change
the fabric of your country. You win an election like
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Trump did, and you say, okay, I want to clean
this all up, and you win on that platform, and
the American people say, yes, we want you to clean
up the way that you We want all of the
illegals gone, okay, this is what and the and the polls, Martin,
and the and the polls show this. Okay, the polls
show that they want to get rid of the public
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wants all illegal immigrants to get rid to be deported. Okay.
So you win the election and then you start to
see the machine fight against you. And then you start
to do the math and you're like, wait a minute.
If we get out of power, these people are not
only going to jail us, they might kill us. And
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so from there they start to escalate and take more
and more control of things and more and more power,
because if they don't, they're dead. This is how dictatorships start.
And so you know, I don't and I don't think
that that's what Jesse Kelly is advocating for. But you
start to see how that can happen. You start to see, oh,
(14:50):
wait a minute. These people don't care about our laws,
and don't care about our country, don't care about our
founding principles, don't care about the principles that started this
country and made this country work for one hundred and
what you know, sixty two hundred years. You know, they
don't care about them.
Speaker 2 (15:08):
I understand what you're saying, but this is very very
dangerous talk and using words like dictatorships. And by the way, also,
I feel like Trump, you know, touting this twenty twenty
eight hat and Eric Trump wearing the hat and images.
I don't like that either.
Speaker 1 (15:25):
I don't think it's smart.
Speaker 2 (15:26):
I don't think that that's smart.
Speaker 1 (15:27):
I don't think it's I get it, it's trolling.
Speaker 2 (15:29):
I don't think it's trolling, But I don't think it's smart.
I don't like it.
Speaker 1 (15:32):
No, I don't like it either. What I'm saying is
is that there is You start to understand, like I've
always wondered, how do these places go this way? How
do these countries become dictatorships? How do the people like
get so frustrated that they allow a dictator to take over?
And you start to see how this happens when you
have a court system working against you. For a perfect example,
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New Mexico. Okay, there's a leftist New Mexico judge he
likes unceremoniously retired earlier. I think it was earlier this month,
might have been late last month, retires and gave no
reason for it. Turns out that he was raided and
at his house was This was what's the name of
this gang again, trend de Aragua, Venezuelan gang. Members of
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that gang were at his house living with him. He
was providing them shelter at the house. This was a
New Mexico judge, a leftist New Mexico judge. His boyfriends,
we don't know, but they were. Him and his wife
were recently arrested. Him and his wife were recently arrested.
But he had multiple of these gang members at his house.
(16:42):
This is the same Venezuelan gang that Trump is trying
to deport out of the country that Scotus basically paused
him from doing that. This is what we're up against
is we even have American judges. Now, this judge has
been disbarred forever. He can never be on the on
the bench again. But this is just one judge. How
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many these corrupt son of the bitches are doing this
all over the country, stopping him, constantly, stopping him from
deporting criminals out of this country.
Speaker 2 (17:12):
You know what he should get, the death penalty.
Speaker 1 (17:14):
I mean it feels treasonous, Yes, it feels treasonous to me. Yes,
And you're seeing this time and time again, and so
it resonates with me. What Jesse says, it's a it
is a also you cross that line the doors that
you open up. But they're gonna do it anyways. They've
been doing it this to us. They tried to kill
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the president, they tried to jail him, they tried to
bankrupt him, they tried to to humiliate him, They raided
his house. They they went after his family, they went
after his lawyers, they jailed his lawyers, they jailed they
threw j six ers in the gulag. And you didn't
have the Supreme Court coming out and saying, Oh, these
people need due process. Oh what are you guys doing.
(17:56):
Why are you guys throwing these people into jail forever?
Why aren't you giving these people due process? Why aren't
you trying any these people? How do you get one
hundred percent conviction on all of these people in j
six That doesn't happen. You don't get one hundred percent
conviction on these kinds of things. The Supreme Court didn't
speak out, then, Roberts didn't come out and speak out
at that time and stop any of that. Yet they
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come out and speak as we are getting ready to
deport Venezuelan's that the federal government has found to be
a part of this.
Speaker 2 (18:26):
And this is supposedly the court that is stacked in
our favor.
Speaker 1 (18:29):
Well, it's some of Trump's judges as well stopping him.
I know, I'm not just talking about the Scotist judges.
I'm talking about some of the other federal judges that.
Speaker 2 (18:37):
Have stopped it. Is so upsetting. I mean, they can
flood in, but we can't get rid of him.
Speaker 1 (18:41):
And that is the system that they have set up.
They've set up this system to where they flood us
with tens of millions of illegal immigrants and they want
each one to have quote unquote due process.
Speaker 2 (18:53):
All right, Well, I'm going to say a prayer that
Stephen Miller can figure this out. Let's hope anybody can
figure this out. I think he can, you know.
Speaker 1 (19:00):
And there was a time, you know, there was something
that happen and years ago, this is eighteen thirty two.
It was Worcester versus Virginia, excuse me, Worcester versus Georgia.
Scotis ruled in favor of the Cherokee Indians. Cherokee Indians
were basically fighting to keep in the land, in the
land that they were on in Georgia their quote unquote
ancestral land, so Scotis found in their favor, said they
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could stay there, and President Jackson, Andrew Jackson at the
time said, I guess he ignored the decision, and he
allegedly said something along the lines of John Marshall was
the head of the lead judge in the Supreme Court
at the time. This is what Andrew Jackson said, John
Marshall has made his decision, now let him enforce it.
(19:46):
He ignored the ruling and didn't enforce the finding of
the Scotis of Scotis, and Georgia proceeded to eject the
Cherokees from their area, and then you know, they came
up with this really sob story of a line and
the trail of tears. That's when the Indians all had
(20:06):
to basically excavate from that area and go to you know,
another location. But there's precedence to this ignoring a Scotis
decision when it is clearly set up to destroy the country.
Speaker 2 (20:20):
Okay, okay, well I like that, so gives me.
Speaker 1 (20:22):
It is a little bit. It's we're living in scary
times right now. And I will say this with this,
with this immigration fight, we can't lose it. Now we
lose it, we lose the country. These are the kinds
of fights, These are kinds of hills that the Trump
administration has to be willing to die on. They have
to fight it with every tool that they possibly have.
(20:45):
Maybe they have some tools that they don't know about.
And here's another thought. Maybe Scotis is doing this because
they are actually seeing his birthright citizenship executive order. They're
going to be hearing that the case. Donald Trump wrote
an executive order that in interprets the birthright citizenship of
(21:06):
the fourteenth Amendment in the way that the writers of
the Fourteenth Amendment actually wrote it. And so Trump wrote
an executive order that mimicked the original interpretation of the
fourteenth Amendment. That case is going in front of Scotus,
and so perhaps they're doing this to give themselves leverage
(21:29):
to make a decision on that case, because it's going
to be a profound case. It is going to be
a profound case. I'd like to think it's that. My
hope is is that the Trump administration has some other
tools that they haven't pulled. But I have seen some
of their conversations on this, and even Trump's tweet on this,
and it sounded like a frustration tweet to me more
(21:50):
than anything. So let's hope they stick to this tooth
and nail to the very last day of his second term.
We're going to get into a couple other topics, including
the attack on Joe Rogan. We're going to get to
that right after the break. You're listening to Red Pilled
America's fam Boogie, and we're going to get into a
(22:13):
recent kind of it seems like an orchestrated attack against
Joe Rogan by some of the people that he has
helped give a huge platform too. It's been kind of
an interesting thing that I see forming on the in
the right or conservative media, and a censorship kind of
realm that's entering into the mix right now. So we
(22:36):
a couple of weeks ago we talked about this topic.
You guys might have remembered. This is Douglas Murray, who
I think of fancies himself as a British intellectual I
would agree with that went onto the Joe Rogan Show
and he was supposed to debate Dave Smith, and I
thought it was going to be and I think everybody
(22:56):
thought it was going to be kind of a debate
between two sides of the Israel Gaza war, Dave being
you know, kind of anti Israel, pro let's stop the
war in Gaza and stop you know, the killing, and
Douglas Murray definitely, you know, pro Israel. This needs to
kind of happen, this war needs to kind of happen thing.
(23:18):
And I was very interested kind of entering into this debate.
I've had some friends that told me and spoke very
highly of Douglas Murray, and so I kind of was,
you know, and there's been times of Dave Smith has
kind annoyed me, and so I thought, well, let's let's
see where this kind of goes. And I ended the
debate and I said this a couple of weeks ago.
I entered the debate kind of very open minded, wanting
(23:38):
kind of Douglas to prevail or at least do well
in the argument. He opens and he immediately starts to
go at Joe Rogan for the kinds of people that
he platforms.
Speaker 2 (23:55):
And he immediately took the censorship route.
Speaker 1 (23:58):
I initially thought, Okay, I like that he's calling out
Joe Rogan for having a guy like Ian Carroll on
because Ian Carroll said some like wildly false things on
his show, but instead he kind of just it was
more of a kind of a gatekeeping thing, like you said,
And let's play a clip of this real quickly.
Speaker 6 (24:19):
Look, I just feel we should get it out straight away.
I feel you've opened the door to quite a lot
of people who've now got a big platform, who have
been throwing out counterhistorical stuff of a very dangerous kind.
Speaker 3 (24:32):
You mean Darryl A you're talking about Derek Daryl.
Speaker 6 (24:34):
Who's the other one. I don't think Darryl has guy Derek.
Speaker 3 (24:41):
Cooper?
Speaker 6 (24:42):
Which one is? Who's the other one? There was one
I just checked on the way here, Daryl Cooper and
then yeah, Darryl Cooper, Ian Carroll. Look, these guys are
not historians, they're not knowledgeable.
Speaker 3 (24:56):
No one's calling Ian Carroll.
Speaker 6 (24:58):
But then why listen to their views on Churchill. He's not,
he's not.
Speaker 1 (25:05):
So he basically instead of kind of going into point
by point arguments and actually starting to debate Dave Dave Smith,
he instead was kind of focusing on Joe Rogan and
trying to almost shame him by and trying to gatekeep
on who he should and should not platform, and so
(25:26):
you're starting to see this now all the way across
the board. So there was this moment in their discussion
where Douglas Murray started to get into the Gaza debate
with Dave Smith. The argument starts to go towards the
Israel not allowing certain supplies into Gaza, and Douglas Murray
(25:48):
said that's not happening, that Israel's not stopping supplies from
going in there, and there starts to be an exchange
on this, and this was Douglas Murray's response to that, have.
Speaker 6 (25:57):
You been to the crossing points?
Speaker 5 (25:59):
Now?
Speaker 6 (26:00):
When were you last there?
Speaker 3 (26:01):
At all?
Speaker 6 (26:01):
I've never been, You've never beam?
Speaker 5 (26:03):
Well, am I not allowed to talk about it now?
I've never been to Have you ever been to Nazi Germany?
Are you allowed to have feelings about them?
Speaker 6 (26:09):
You can't time travel? But right, but you can't travel?
Speaker 1 (26:12):
Okay?
Speaker 5 (26:12):
But so what so what's the point?
Speaker 3 (26:14):
Like?
Speaker 6 (26:14):
No, Okay, I find that.
Speaker 5 (26:15):
Lots of people have been there and agree with me,
and lots of people have been there and agree with you.
Speaker 6 (26:19):
You're going to spend a year and a half talking
about a place you should at least do the courtesy
of visiting it.
Speaker 4 (26:24):
All right?
Speaker 5 (26:25):
I just think this is a non argument.
Speaker 1 (26:27):
Okay, No, I think it's a non argument.
Speaker 6 (26:29):
But well, you have to go and touch the ground. No,
I think you have to see. I think it's a
good idea to see stuff, particularly if you spend a
career talking about something.
Speaker 1 (26:37):
So I kind of agree with that to a certain degree,
I feel like and I was kind of my eyes
were open to this when Tucker Carlson talked about this
a while back. He had conversation with his father when
he first started getting involved in basically speaking out against
the Iraq war in the Middleast wars, and his father said, Okay,
you're going to go out there, and he's like, oh, no,
(26:59):
I didn't plan on it. He's, oh, you're one of
those kinds of guys and so of shamed as Tucker
Carlson into going out there to the Middle East. And
so he kind of opened my eyes to that, and
I think I think there is a point to be
to be had there with Douglas. But what he's really
trying to do is dictate who can and cannot talk
about topics. And you are an expert if you agree
(27:20):
with me, and you are not an expert if you
don't agree with me because there's plenty of people that
you can bring out from let's say Columbia University that
are quote unquote experts, you know, on the Middle East
that have been there, that are diametrically opposite positions to
a Douglas Murray. But there is this censorship thing now
happening on well, and we touched on.
Speaker 2 (27:40):
All of this last week, but I think what's happening
now is that this guy Douglas Murray and a bunch
of other people that Rogan sort of put on the
map are now kind of teaming up to try and
take out Rogan.
Speaker 1 (27:51):
So here's Sam.
Speaker 2 (27:51):
I agree with that.
Speaker 1 (27:52):
Yes, here's Sam Harris. This is somebody that Rogan helped
put on the map. You know, Sam Harris had an
audience before he was on Rogan, but Rogan created a
mildly bigger platform for him, a much more mainstream platform.
Here's Sam Harris going at Joe Rogan.
Speaker 5 (28:08):
Listen, if you get across the table from Joe and
you don't have your facts straight about MMA, or you're
going to say something bad about marijuana, He's going to
crush you. Right, He'll crush you in five seconds, and
he will never let up. Until you start making sense,
and if you don't, the conversation's over.
Speaker 4 (28:27):
Right.
Speaker 5 (28:27):
I mean, maybe they'll he'll change the subject politely, but
you know you're never coming back, and you know he
will make no secret of the fact that he thinks
you're a moron. Right. He doesn't do that when Darryl Cooper,
the podcast host and amateur historian who he really admires,
(28:47):
gets on there and starts spouting David Irving's fake Holocaust history,
because he doesn't know that he's doing that, right, He
hasn't prepared himself to do that, and he doesn't see
the liability of talking to a entirely self taught, you know,
enthusiast of taboo history and not being prepared to push
(29:12):
back against it.
Speaker 1 (29:12):
So you have that, you have James Lindsay, who's been
on our show before, basically going at Rogan and saying this,
this is something that he posted shortly after the Douglas
Murray interview. From everything I'm hearing from people who don't
live on social media, the only loser of the debate
(29:34):
was Joe Rogan. This was the debate between Douglas Murrians
and Dave Smith. Maybe he's teflon but I think he's
being taken out and that Douglas was one of his
last lifelines. And then you have Canadian Jordan Peterson go
on the Joe Rogan experience to suddenly check Rogan. Here's
Jordan appearing on Rogan this week, questioning Rogan if there
(29:55):
are any limitations to his curiosity.
Speaker 4 (29:57):
And the issue is how do you identify the psychopathic pretenders?
And it's even worse now and then make a barrier
right now. The right was calling for the left to
do that for decades and they didn't and they couldn't.
And the left is not good at drawing barriers, partly temperamentally.
The right is somewhat better, but there's no shortage of
(30:18):
monstrosity there and and so then the question is how
do you how do you draw the line? And that's
kind of what I was because I've been watching these
right wing they're not right wing. These psychopathic types manipulate
the edge of the conservative movement for their own gain,
(30:39):
and a lot of that's cloaked and anti Semitic guys.
There's plenty of anti semitism on the left too, by
the way, so it's not unique to the right. Now, Yes, yes, yes,
particularly now. And so you know, you've let your curiosity
guide you, your curiosity and your desire for knowledge, this
quest you've you've let that guide you as a podcaster.
(30:59):
And I'm by the way, I'm trying to work through
exactly the same sort of thing. How do you know,
given your radical increase in stature over the last ten years,
how do you know when your curiosity and even your
skepticism about the fact that things aren't the way that
people say they are, because that's certainly been demonstrated in
(31:20):
the last ten years, how do you how should anyone
decide what guardrails to put up, like what do you
look for?
Speaker 1 (31:29):
So what Jordan Peterson appears to be doing here is
asking Rogan to set up guard rails on his curiosity
to not go too far and entertaining questions. In other words,
he's gatekeeping. These are people that Joe Rogan helped put
on the map, and now these people are moving towards censorship.
And I think you know, there's been a couple of
(31:51):
different theories as to why this is happening. Some believe
that there's this beat drum to war with Iran, and
that's potentially why this is happening. Joe Rogan is definitely
anti war kind of a guy. Think he's kind of
libertarian in that way, and all of these voices are
kind of pro neo con kinds of voices. Even Malcolm Gladwell,
(32:13):
the famed writer of The Tipping Point, went at him
and basically did an intervention this week, did a Joe
Rogan intervention, kind of calling him out for not being
prepared for these interviews and not pushing back on these,
you know, on some of these topics, and so I
just I find it fascinating that all of these voices
(32:33):
that are supposed to be these kind of pro free
speech kind of you know, not safe spaces on campus,
you know, against censorship, against the wokeness, are now all
teaming up against this guy. And I also think it's
kind of interesting that you have people like Douglas Murray
and Jordan Peterson, who are both not Americans, coming on
(32:55):
to an American show and trying to set up guardrails
about what can and can't and who can and can't talk.
And it's fascinating because both of those guys their countries
have gone to shit with the with the weight of
wokeness in their countries. Okay, they both flee those areas.
(33:17):
They come to what they view as an economic zone
America and are trying to dictate who and who cannot
speak on certain topics. Jordan, of all people, this man.
I've lost respect for this man. Going back to when
he wanted Kavanaugh to resign after getting confirmed in Scotus,
(33:37):
he ends up having getting caught up in a drug addiction.
The man has not been a the pillar of an
ideal kind of you know, truth teller. Okay, he goes
and works for for CAA and one of the biggest
Hollywood agencies around.
Speaker 2 (33:55):
Doesn't work for them, but he's being represented by.
Speaker 1 (33:57):
Exactly so this is kind of It's been kind of
an interesting thing to kind of watch. You know, he
teamed up with the ADL to go at you know,
Candace Owens recently. He also has it was put a
big pusher of the vaccine at the time that the
vaccine happened. I just don't understand how this is happening
(34:20):
right now and why there are so many kind of
these foreign players coming into America and trying to impose
their foreign parameters to who should and shouldn't talk. Go
back to Canada and deal with that shithole. Go back
to England that now has like Muslim mayor after Muslim mayor,
(34:43):
after Muslim mayor in a English island, deal with your crap.
Don't come here and tell us who can and can't talk.
If you're going to come into America, argue the points
that you are the directly argue the points that you
can tend are wrong, rather than trying to dictate who
(35:04):
can and can't debate. Because both of these people might
have serious points to make. There's a serious issue with
the rise of conspiracy theorism on the right. Okay, there
are also very strong arguments for some of Israel's positions
and Israel's actions in the area. Okay, there might be
(35:26):
some concerns with Iran. Tackle those points and have those arguments,
rather than trying to dictate who can and can't talk,
because all you're going to do is raise anti Semitism
with those arguments, because you're going when you enter into
the censorship realm, and when you say who can and
can't talk about these kinds of things, all the anti
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Semites come forward and say, see, see what they're trying
to do. See this is a plot all of these
guys are coming out together to try to take out
Joe Rogan and silence the conversation because their ideas suck.
They can't make arguments when there are very valid arguments
for all all of these things. There's very valid arguments
to be had against some of these things and some
(36:08):
of these issues that they're bringing up, but instead they
move to censorship. It drives me crazy. So we're gonna
get into Part two next. We're going to be talking
about some conservative feminism that's been kind of entering the realm,
and we're also going to talk about a Kanye collapse
(36:29):
that we've been seeing that kind of speaks to a
broader shift in culture right now. We're going to get
to that in Part two. Join us over there right now,
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