June 9, 2025 • 39 mins
We talk about the brawl between besties Elon Musk and President Trump...allegedly over the Big Beautiful Bill. Why did Elon turn on the President? We have a theory.
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
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There's no better time to spread it than right now
with what we're seeing happening in Los Angeles. I think
with all the Mexican flags and Palestinian flags flowing throughout
these riots in southern California. I think we're starting to
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see this question of what's an American is starting to
become more and more important.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
It really, really is. I mean, it just baffles me
how entitled these people are. They are demanding for us
to basically treat them like Americans and they're not Americans.
They're illegals.
Speaker 1 (01:54):
It's frustrating. So, you know, last week we had a
great week. We went away to Palm Beach. We got
to hang out with the iHeart family at a retreat.
Good to see the Iheartfanbam.
Speaker 2 (02:04):
Yeah, we got to see everybody, everybody, the entire iHeart team.
They are so good to us and to this show.
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Speaker 1 (02:30):
Yeah, conservative podcast. It's kind of exciting. It's an exciting time.
I think with the Trump win in twenty twenty four,
it's starting to open up people's minds and eyes to
this audience that they are missing and that they are
ignoring these these sponsors. So I think this next throughout
the rest of this year, it's going to be a
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strong one for conservative media. We can't help but start
off this conversation with the Elon versus Trump fiasco. I
guess you can say that have and towards the tail
end of last our middle last.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
What a disappointing turn of events.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
It is. It's really it's pretty crazy. So we're going
to get into that, and we're also going to talk
about this invasion of southern California and kind of what
it says about America right now.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
But first, it is literally happening right now, you guys,
and we are very very close to the action.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
So let's first start off with this Elon versus Trump thing.
And this happened. I think we were on our way
home when this started to hit. We were and you know,
first of all, obviously I'm sure everybody knows, but Elon
threw some shade at Trump and it was kind of
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a shocking turn of events, and I think it kind
of is going to it's kind of a signal of
what's going to be coming in the in the big
tech world. But let's kind of go through it all. So,
as many of you guys know, Elon started throwing some punch.
He threw the first punch.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
Let's say that he started.
Speaker 1 (04:03):
A lot of the Elon kind of fandom is saying that, oh, no,
Trump was the first one that got personal. But Elon
went at this signature bill right now, this big beautiful
bill right now.
Speaker 2 (04:16):
I love the big beautiful bill.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
I love that Trump has a good I always has
a good naming of products.
Speaker 2 (04:21):
I wonder what his nickname would be for you, for me.
Speaker 1 (04:25):
The bald wonder. Okay, So anyways, Elon threw the first punch.
His fandom is saying, no, Trump got personal first. But
I would like to say this that if Trump went
at one of Elon's companies and did not go at Elon,
but say when at Tesla or when at SpaceX or
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you know any of these companies X or what have you,
I think that Elon would take it personal.
Speaker 2 (04:52):
Yes, it's the same thing. You know. I had a
longtime friend unfollow our red Pilled America account on Instagram,
and so I said something to another mutual friend and
they were like, oh, well, well no that's not personal.
I said, yes, of course, it's personal. It's totally personal.
Anybody that doesn't see that is clearly blind.
Speaker 1 (05:10):
So Elon said that, you know, I think what his
his actual initial statement was was on Twitter and he
was kind of he basically presented it as just kind
of having enough, and he said, I'm sorry, but I
just can't stand it anymore. This massive, outrageous, pork filled
congressional spending bill is a disgusting abomination. Shame on those
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who vote for it. You know you did wrong, you
know it. Okay, So this was a shock to anybody
that's kind of been paying attention to the Trump Elon
love affair. You know, it was really sad that this
happened during Pride month to see this this couple start
to break up.
Speaker 2 (05:53):
I mean, I feel like I could see that the
writing was on the wall. It was clear to me
that the honeymoon was over. And I also felt like
Elon was really overstepping his boundaries.
Speaker 1 (06:04):
I would agree with that. I would agree with that.
I think for me, it started with the h one
B fiasco around Christmas, and what do you know, that's
what we started off with. What's an American is with
kind of exposing that very first kind of crack in
the in the relationship. So it started with the H
one B fiasco and then it kind of went from there.
(06:26):
And I think that you slowly started to see this
kind of you know, I think at the end of
the day, you can't hide when you're in the spotlight
like this. And sure enough, the kind of Ashley Saint
Clair stuff started to come out. We started to see
some weirdness there in his kind of you know, view
on traditional marriage and relationships in general. So you know,
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Trump sees this tweet that he puts out that kind
of is basically telling people to vote against this congressional
spending bill. And the thing that's so kind of in
and about this bill is it has a budget in
there to deal with deportations and the border security. So
it's right now, it's an absolutely vital bill to make happen.
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And you know, I'm not going to get into the
ins and outs of kind of congress and you know
how these kinds of bills get passed, but ultimately, what
he's trying to, what he was advocating for, would need
a sixty percent of the Senate to get through, and
so what he's advocating for is not possible. So you
had Trump come out and kind of he expressed some frustration,
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and this is Trump on Elon's response to this big,
beautiful bill.
Speaker 3 (07:45):
But I'm very disappointed because Elon knew the inner workings
of this bill better than almost anybody sitting here, better
than you people.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
He knew everything about it.
Speaker 3 (07:54):
He had no problem with it. All of a sudden
he had a problem. And he only developed the problem
when he found out that we're going to have to
cut the ev mint it because that's billions and billions
of dollars, and it really is unfair. We want to
have cars of all types electric. We want to have electric,
but we want to have a gasoline combustion. We want
to have different we want to have hybrids, we want
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to have all. We want to be able to sell everything.
And when that was cut and Congress wanted to cut it,
he became a little bit different. And I can understand that.
But he knew every aspect of this bill. He knew
it better than almost anybody, and he never had a
problem until right after he left. And if you saw
the statements he made about me, which I'm sure you
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can get very easily, it's very fresh on tape, he
said the most beautiful things about me, and he hasn't
said bad about me personally, but I'm sure that'll be next.
Speaker 2 (08:46):
Old Trump was right on that prediction, and that is
an understatement if I ever heard one.
Speaker 1 (08:51):
Well, you know, he's seen this cycle happen so many
times where you know, you got the Scarmuccies and you know,
the Bill Barrs of the world. I mean, he's had
so many staff members after they left Bolton, John Bolton,
I mean, so many people after they left throw him
under the bus because they know that they can go
to the legacy media, and the legacy media loves that
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kind of content. Anything that could beat up on Trump
They're going to like. And so, of course Elon follows
this tried and true path and he does kind of
the unthinkable. He accuses Trump of being on the Epstein
in the Epstein files.
Speaker 2 (09:29):
You got to read this tweet.
Speaker 1 (09:30):
And that is why he is not releasing the Epstein files.
This is what Elon had to say with that, of course,
time to drop the real big bomb.
Speaker 2 (09:40):
Real Donald Trump is in the Epstein files. That is
the real reason they have not been made public. Have
a nice day, DJT.
Speaker 1 (09:49):
So people saw that, and they're like, first of all,
immediately people are pointing out, this is ridiculous. Biden's FBI
has had control of these files for four years. If
there was anything in there that could damaged Trump, they
would have released it to the public totally.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
I mean, listen, they wrote a fake dossier Russia that
they invented this Russian collusion hoax. They have gone to
great lengths to hurt Trump. You think if they had
information that he was in the Epstein files, they would
not have released it. The answer to that is no,
they would have released it immediately.
Speaker 1 (10:29):
Well, and people are saying, well, it's probably going to
damage other people that were Democrats, that's why Biden didn't
release it. Well, they would have found a way to
just release the Trump stuff. Yeah, if that was the case,
it's hogwash. It's well recorded that Trump was one of
the first people that spoke out against Ebstein. He was
one of the first people to cooperate with the law
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enforcement to try to put the man on, you know,
expose his his behavior of liking underage girls. So, I
mean he's been on this for for well, I mean
close to two decades.
Speaker 2 (11:06):
Yeah, I have to say that when Elon dropped this tweet. So,
like Patrick mentioned earlier, we were on our way home
from West Palm Beach and Patrick read it out loud
to me and I gasped out loud. I thought it
was a joke. This really really shocked me. This is
a very low blow. You cannot go back from this.
(11:29):
Somebody accuses you of being a pedophile, you can never
be friends with that person.
Speaker 1 (11:34):
Again, I would agree with that. That's kind of one
of the most you know, basic, you know, tenants of
friendship is to not hang out with somebody that calls
you or suggests that you're pedal.
Speaker 2 (11:48):
And by the way, so according to Elon, he was
okay knowing that Trump was allegedly a pedophile, and he
was all friendly with him until this big beautiful bill happened,
and then all of a sudden, now he's not okay
with that, of course.
Speaker 1 (12:00):
And also, how many pictures have we seen of his son,
little x or X, cruising around with Trump by himself,
you know, leaving the you know, either the plane or
the helicopter with Trump, with Elon nowhere to be found.
And somehow now he's come to the conclusion that, oh
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he's on the Epstein files it's it is kind of absurd.
So Elon goes and takes it a step further. He
calls for He basically calls for Trump to be impeached.
He agreed, He agrees with somebody that says that Trump
should be impeached. He he tells his two hundred plus
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million followers to call their representatives to vote against this bill.
The fascinating thing was is he tweets out and says,
call your representatives. Well, reporting has come out on that
where reporters have contacted the Republican representatives' offices and I
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think they got one call. Like, so this man has
has two hundred million followers and they have This is
one of the reports. Out of nearly a dozen Republican
Capitol Hill offices that spoke with The Hill, the Hill
being the media outlet, ranging from rank and file members
to leadership, Almost none had gotten any calls from GOP
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supporting constituents opposing the bill by the afternoon after the
Musk post or callers making references to the billionaire. One
office reported one caller who said kill the bill. So
this man that kind of portrays himself as now having
some political clout he's learning a big lesson. Now. People
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loved Elon because of his support for Trump, and Trump
is the man that is this mythological figure, and Elon
is in this room with this alpha, and I just
don't think that he could take this alpha. You know,
these two hour alpha's kind of being in the same room.
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It's kind of this nuclear explosion that's just waiting to happen.
Speaker 2 (14:09):
This was bound to happen. You cannot have the world's
most powerful man, Donald Trump, and the world's richest man
in this you know, it just it does not It's
not going to work. I think the writing was on
the wall. I really do. These two types of big personalities,
big strong men, like you said alpha's you know, one
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of them wanted to alp out alpha the other. And
I think Elon is learning who the real alpha in
the room is.
Speaker 1 (14:36):
Elon claims that it was. He goes on from there
and he claims that Trump won because of him, And
once again that claim is destroyed when you actually look
at Elon's record and his political endorsements. He got behind
DeSantis in twenty twenty four, kind of put a lot
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behind him to get him off the ground, even like
did this kind of groundbreaking spaces on Twitter that completely flopped.
Speaker 2 (15:04):
Yeah, it was a Flopperoni.
Speaker 1 (15:06):
He backed Andrew.
Speaker 2 (15:07):
Yang and DeSantis obviously lost.
Speaker 1 (15:10):
Yes, DeSantis loss. He backed Andrew Yang. In twenty twenty,
was said that he was for universal basic income, which
is basically kind of a communist giveaway, that's this kind
of standard payout to everybody as kind of a salary.
He said, he obvious it was obviously needed. That's what
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Elon said. So he's the only time that his kind
of political support has really paid off was with Trump.
And you know, we've spoken highly of Elon back in
the day here and we're kind of tipping our hat
to him for helping a free speech with X and
for helping Trump in this twenty twenty four election. And
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it was definitely a good sign that he came aboard.
But I think like all of these major, massive elite
people is that they put their they wet their finger,
they put their finger into the wind, and they see
which way the wind is blowing. And there is no way,
after seeing Trump take a bullet in the ear that
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any man could see that happening and not see this
is the guy I want to get behind. So it
was a clear decision for anybody in his position. And
then of course all of these big tech people followed
suit afterwards, So it wasn't something that it was, you know,
this guy kind of saw this diamond in the rough
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and decided to get behind him and pulled them up
from the bootstraps. I mean, if anybody can make that
kind of claim, it would have been like Steve Bannon
back in the day, or the people that were behind
Trump in the twenty fifteen twenty sixteen time frame that
had he had no political you know, history or experience
and no proven track record of being elected. And maybe
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those people from that first campaign can kind of claim
some ownership of his victory. But was just kind of,
you know, on the train that was going to be winning.
It was going to be victorious. So Trump surprisingly has
really he took the high road. You know, he said that,
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you know, he didn't want to really An article came
out from the New York Times basically claiming that Elon
was drug addicted. It was somehow addicted to drugs, and
Trump said, you know, I don't want to comment on that.
I think in general, he's kind of taken the high
road on this. He has not done what he typically
does in these kinds of situations where he goes scorched earth,
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he makes up a name for the person. He starts,
you know, intensely driving that name home. I think he
really felt hurt by it from everything that I've seen
on it. I mean, this is a guy. He let
him into his home in mar Lago. There's points where
Elon Musk was saying, this is basically my home.
Speaker 2 (17:57):
Now.
Speaker 1 (17:58):
You know, he let him into his family circle. You know,
he really like him in and then the second that
he leaves the White House he starts to backstab Trump.
And I think this is a guy that's been through
this so many times, and maybe I think he was
hoping for the best in this situation. You've seen Elon
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speak so highly of him. You know, he's dark Maga,
you know, he's like spoken so highly of him. And
I think Elon at the end of the day, you know,
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you're listening to Redpilled America's fan Buggy and we're talking
about the kind of skull between Trump and Elon Musk.
Speaker 2 (20:06):
I would say it's a little more than a scuffle.
Speaker 1 (20:09):
Yeah, yeah, Well, you know with these guys, though, it's
like Trump is pretty forgiving. You know, He's had some
major blowouts with people, but finds a way if they
end up submitting to kind of forgive them. I don't
think a forgiveness is going to be happening anytime soon
between these two guys. And it's because of the way
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that Elon went at him, accusing him of being in
the Epstein files. Of course I should say that Elon
started to delete those tweets, those Ebstein tweets. You can't
find him anymore. Maybe there's some concern that there was
some defamation associated with this, because he's basically making a claim,
and somebody that's in the White House to make a
claim like that, you would possibly know that it's a
(20:53):
false claim. And you had cash Betel basically saying I
don't know anything about what they're saying. I don't even
want to discuss this or step into it in an
interview that he had with you know, one of these
podcast interviews that he was doing.
Speaker 2 (21:05):
So he didn't defend Trump.
Speaker 1 (21:07):
He wanted to stay out of it, is what he were.
Speaker 2 (21:10):
What he was basically saying, you should have defended Trump.
In my opinion, Well, you know you have that's problematic.
Speaker 1 (21:15):
I kind of agree with that, but you have what
you're seeing here. You're seeing this play out everywhere. Now.
The All In podcast, which we've talked about a lot
here with David Sachs and Chew Moth, the tech Bros.
The Tech Bros, they do a podcast every week, goes
out every Thursday, and apparently the podcast didn't go out
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this week. I hear everybody saying, where's the pod? Where's
the pod? You guys are skipping out on the biggest news,
you know, moment of your guys's community.
Speaker 2 (21:46):
This is your domain.
Speaker 1 (21:48):
They basically kind of carved out this area where we are,
this kind of bringing together of the of this kind
of libertarian movement within the tech bro world. You know,
we have a relationship with Trump, now, we have a
relationship with Elon and they're basically dodging the subject.
Speaker 3 (22:05):
Now.
Speaker 1 (22:05):
It looks like and it's kind of an eye opening
moment there as well too, So, you.
Speaker 2 (22:11):
Know, I'm worried about the blowback. I wonder if the
all In guys are they scared of Trump or are
they scared of Elon or both? You're a little of both.
Speaker 1 (22:19):
I think they're bold.
Speaker 2 (22:20):
Yeah, I'm definitely worried about the fallout and what this
means for conservatives, particularly on X because you've already seen
Elon has unfollowed a lot of prominent MAGA figures. So
I'm worried. You know, is the censorship going to be
rolling in soon?
Speaker 1 (22:39):
I think that the censorship thing was always going to
get ramped up at some point.
Speaker 2 (22:43):
Yeah, it was going to come back around at some point,
but maybe sooner than we.
Speaker 1 (22:46):
Thought, perhaps perhaps, So why did this happen? There's a
lot of speculation on this. I don't think any of
these things kind of happened just because of one thing.
I think it's probably a build up of things. I
think the H one B Visa debacle was kind of
the very first thing, at least publicly that we saw
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where this guy who's supposed to be Trump's support is
creating a riff within the base. It wasn't helpful for Trump.
Trump came out in support of him, in support of
his position, and surprisingly in support of H one B visas,
very disappointing move when the past where he's been very
negative about H one B visas, now he's saying, you know,
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I've always supported them. That's what he said at least
in December when that whole kind of thing broke out.
So I think you know that kind of started it.
I think you know, Elon is claiming that it's this
big beautiful bill spending and that we have this debt crisis,
and that it was a principal decision as to why
he decided to take that. Trump claims that is because
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of these EV benefits, which you heard earlier when we
played it. They get basically a kickback from the US
government for every purchase of an EV vehicle, and they
had to remove that from the bill. They removed that
EV benefit from this big beautiful bill, and Trump is
claiming that is what set off Elon. Elon has publicly
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said before in the past that he's okay with getting
rid of the EV, these EV kind of kickbacks. So
you know there's some history there that you could say, Okay, well,
that's probably not what happened here. I don't know what
to believe. I think that Elon Is presents himself as
this kind of above the money money talk, and like,
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I don't believe it either.
Speaker 2 (24:36):
I mean, let's let's think about it. Let's talk about
how Elon got rich exactly. You know, he got rich
from government contracts.
Speaker 1 (24:43):
He got rich from government contracts. One hundred percent from
the ev kickbacks. SpaceX is almost one hundred percent, you know,
backed by the these government kind of contracts. You have
the relationships that he's had with China. You never hear
him talk about China in a negative way, so.
Speaker 2 (25:00):
You know, it's very problematic. I mean, and let's be honest.
Elon Is, you know, he's off, He's kind of off,
you know. I know that he's talked about being autistic.
I'll tell you I don't know if this is true
or not, but there's a lot a lot of chatter
that allegedly Elon is addicted to ketamine, yeah, and that
he micro I think I think he's talked about microdosing
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ketamine and ketamine. For those of you that don't know,
you know, I can tell you that I know some
information I'm not going to share too much. But uh,
it's a drug that is really really prominent on the right,
and quite a few people microdose it.
Speaker 1 (25:37):
Yeah, I don't know what it's supposed to do. Do
you know what it is?
Speaker 2 (25:41):
Yeah, it's supposed to so it helps with pain, it's
supposed to make you feel you know, a little bit
more clear, it gives you energy. There are a lot
of people that talk about the positive benefits of microdosing ketamine.
But what I think is going to happen. I think
it's going to be one of those things like you
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know in the seventies and the eighties when everyone said,
like cocaine was totally fine, it was not addictive, and
then you know, all these years later we had you know,
coke heads now doing the smoking crack.
Speaker 1 (26:11):
And their noses collapse, so you know, the eternal side
of their noses collapse.
Speaker 2 (26:16):
Yeah, you know, I think a lot of chatter about
Elon and we know he's problematic. I mean, he's having
babies all over the place.
Speaker 1 (26:22):
He shows up in the White House with a black eye,
doesn't really explain it well.
Speaker 2 (26:26):
He also shows up, you know, in the Oval office
with his kid repeatedly, and I mean, listen, little X
is cute and adorable, but we don't bring our kid
to big meetings. I mean, you just don't do that. No,
we don't know.
Speaker 1 (26:38):
So there was that. So there's also some some news
that that Elon and the Treasury Secretary actually got had
a physical altercation where they were arguing. Basically, they were
both pitching to Donald Trump about who should be appointed
to kind of lead the IRS efforts. Elon had one pick,
the Treasury secretary had another, and apparently Trump went with
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the Treasury secret terry. And there's some reports out there
that they got in an altercation, that Elon and the
Treasury secretary got in an altercation and apparently Elon put
his shoulder into the guy's ribs like kind of like
a rugby hit and they had to get separated at Yeah,
so there's that. There's also some buzz in the in
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the Sun, which is kind of a tabloid UK tabloid magazine,
but saying that there is Musk was kind of befriending Kai,
which is Trump's granddaughter.
Speaker 2 (27:32):
Yeah, so that's Don Junior's oldest daughter, the golfer. We
spoke at the R and C correct, yes, yeah, and
she's very poised and quite adorable and recently turned eighteen. Yes,
and yeah, it reports of Elon being friendly with.
Speaker 1 (27:47):
Her and she's cute, and there's they had the countdown
clock to her eighteen year old to when she turned eighteen.
Speaker 2 (27:54):
I didn't like that. I don't like that.
Speaker 1 (27:55):
So there's that Eon is in his fifties. I think
I even think, like I want to say, Fox News
put out a you know, happy birthday, Happy eighteenth Kai
tweet or something along those lines. Everyone's kind of like
that's the low class, but it was. There was an insinuation.
There was an insinuation.
Speaker 2 (28:13):
Legal now, yes, yeah, there's no reason that a man
in his fifties needs to befriend an eighteen year old girl.
There's no reason for it.
Speaker 1 (28:22):
There's also been some talk that him and Stephen Miller
have been kind of butting heads well, and this is
and this is kind of interesting because I think Stephen
Miller's wife was working at the White House and ended
up going to work with Elon, and the first riff
that they had was between well, I guess Stephen Miller
was the one that was kind of saying how important
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this big, beautiful bill was because it's going to help
them fight the border, or help them secure the border
and help them with three deportations.
Speaker 2 (28:51):
Illegal immigration with by the way, Elon seems to be four.
Speaker 1 (28:54):
Yeah. So then you have you have Elon coming forward
and saying, well, you know, I don't like this bill.
We need to shoot it down. And then there's also
this undercurrent of Steven Miller's wife going off to work
with Elon, and so there's been some talk that there
that was also part of the riff. So this is
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all kind of pointing to these kind of multiple touch
points of why this altercation or why this breakup happened,
which is, you know, these things just start to add
up and you just have these two alphas in the
room and at some point the real alpha is going
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to stand up, and the real alpha is undoubtedly Trump. Okay,
this is a guy that took the a bullet to
the ear. This is a man that has been you know, arrested,
had a mug shot, had the FBI raid his home.
He's had you know, law fair thrown at him, like
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a ridiculous amount of lawsuits against him. They're trying to
jail this man for life. They tried to kill him,
and Elon, on the other hand, wants to replace you
with h one b workers. Okay, so who are we
going to get behind. Of course we're going to get
behind the guy that took a bullet for us. It's
not a very hard one to uh, you know, a
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hard one to go with. And I think this really
shows what a novice Elon is when it comes to politics.
You know, it's funny because most of us that have
gone through this transition from the left to the right,
there's very kind of noticeable patterns to it. You kind
of become kind of libertarian first, and then it kind
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of like slowly you start going down the Milton Friedman
route where you're reading all of these kinds of you know,
free to choose libertarian economic arguments, and then you slowly
start to say, okay, well, you know, we need a
new party, we need to have create a third party.
And then it kind of starts to you start to
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take on a lot of these old fights that we've
already learned about how to deal with them. And that
seems to be what Elon is going through. This kind
of let's face it, like this cutting back right now
on spending And I put this tweet out a while
ago and Mike Cernovich kind of you know, helped amplify
this message. People don't care about spending right now. And
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I know that might shock like a lot of you
kind of you know, conservatives out there for me to
say that, but we have been hearing about this debt crisis.
And don't get me wrong, like we do have a
debt crisis. Inflation is up because of government spending. All
the COVID spending has caused inflation. We're on a you know,
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a track at some point to a collapse of the
dollar if something doesn't fix this, but it's not going
to happen like right now. Right now. The most important
thing to deal with is this illegal immigration issue we have.
You know, some as events say forty million illegal immigrants
in the United States. Some say it could be higher
than that. There's some benefit to having those people here
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because you can pay you know, lower wages to those people.
But then there's that's also a negative because it lowers
the pay for Americans. But ultimately there's a big drag
on the United States economy and on the United States
law enforcement because of these forty million people. We're seeing
this right now in southern California and in Los Angeles
in particular, where you're seeing there's a segment of that
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population that wants the destruction of the United States and
wants the destruction of America and are willing to turn
to violence to do that. If this issue isn't handled
illegal immigration, nothing else matters, because then you lose America.
So this bill was going to deal with that. We
don't have the margins in Congress. You know, when Obama
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first collected, he had a supermajority, he could put anything
through that he wanted. We don't have that kind of
margin in Washington, DC. So you have to put through
what you could put through. You have to put through
what you can get through with a majority, not a
super majority. And it seems like Elon doesn't understand that,
or he's just there's other kind of business interests. I
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think ultimately Elon he did some great things, but they
were all kind of a result of self preservation. We
have this free speech moment with X. We had his
support of Trump, but he had to support Trump. Biden
was coming after him, The Democrats were coming after him.
They want to extract him from some of his companies.
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They wanted to start to prosecute him the only path
forward was with Trump. He bought X because it's the
number one news source in the world, and he has
this negative press coming at him, this legacy media coming
at him, so he bought that as a self preservation,
a play. So, yes, did we benefit from those things? Yes?
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Should we tip our hat off to him, Yes, But
I think the days of putting him on his pedestal
are gone. I mean, this is a guy that went
from South Africa. He left South Africa, goes to Canada,
leaves Canada, goes to California, leaves California, goes to Texas.
He's going to go off somewhere else at some point.
He doesn't see America in the same way that many
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of us do. That many of us see America. The
guy doesn't believe in traditional marriage. The guy wants to
bring in all these foreign workers to replace American workers.
He thinks American workers are lazy. He thinks American workers
are do not have the work ethic that he has.
Speaker 2 (34:38):
He abandons his kids.
Speaker 1 (34:40):
He left his wife, who gave birth to six kids,
and kind of left her somewhat destitute because I think
he had her sign a prenuptial.
Speaker 2 (34:49):
Yeah, it was a post nump and all she got
was the house. Yes, yeah, and he left her alone
to you know, one of their sons died early on,
but left her alone to raise five boys by herself. Yes,
he's got kids all all over the place that he's
not spending time with. Well, this man does not have
our values and we knew this.
Speaker 1 (35:07):
Well. He claims his son was kind of lost to
the woke mind virus. I think he was lost to neglect.
His father's not around. You see that time and time
again people wonder why so many of these Hollywood kids
turn out to be trands. In my opinion, it's because
of neglect, because their parents aren't around. Their parents are
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so self centered in their kind of in their profession
that they don't pay attention to their kids. And I
don't say that it doesn't happen with all of them,
but it happens with enough of them to where you
see this kind of trend happening within Hollywood.
Speaker 2 (35:43):
Yeah, I mean I think that Elon started to drink
his own kool aid, probably that was spiked with a
little bit of kenemine. He started to drink his own kolad,
and he started to think that you know what, Maga
loved him, But the reason we loved Maga is because
he was behind our guy.
Speaker 1 (35:59):
Exactly.
Speaker 2 (35:59):
We get behind our guy. Okay, we're cool with you,
but Donald J. Trump, that's our guy.
Speaker 1 (36:05):
That's our guy. We've been through all this with him,
and yes, we know that he has his shortcomings.
Speaker 2 (36:10):
Yeah, he's not perfect.
Speaker 1 (36:11):
He has taken a bullet for us, So of course
we're going to get.
Speaker 2 (36:15):
Behind him reporting you know, all these illegals and hopefully
my cousin Martin too.
Speaker 1 (36:22):
Oh you love that one. I love it too.
Speaker 2 (36:25):
You know, I know I get an internal chuckle. I
like my own joke. Sorry, guys, I have no other joke.
Speaker 1 (36:30):
So you know, I think that this the kind of
the takeaway here is is to kind of really get
behind ideas, don't get behind people. Trump is our vehicle
to get behind this kind of America First agenda. He
has shown time and time again that he understands what
his base wants. Sometimes he might falter, but ultimately I
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think that he has the people's he has the people
in mind when he's making these decisions. He's obviously taken
a stance against the elite. Let mean, think about what
happened to Trump when he runs for office, his net
worth crashes, he has to give up some of his properties.
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His businesses start to have an issue. In general, all
of his brands took a major, major hit, and he
doubled and tripled down. Elon starts to get some hits
to his company because he's backing Trump, and he backs out.
You know, he's supposed to be in the dose thing
for a year and a half. He backs out, and
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then the second he leaves the White House, he starts
to trash Trump. Okay, so it shows that he wasn't
really prepared to get involved in politics. I don't think
he is set up to deal with politics in the
way that Trump was, and that must have killed him.
I think it kills him to not have the power.
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He's a power guy. He tries to play this this
kind of philanthropic kind of position, but that's not who
he is. I don't believe, and we saw that once
his businesses started to get hit. Do you ever hear
him talk about China negatively about China? Of course not. No.
He doesn't say anything about the the kind of yugurt
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genocide that's happening in China. He doesn't say anything bad
about China period again.
Speaker 2 (38:24):
And by the way, MAGA and Trump supporters, we know
that Trump he put everything on the line, everything, everything, everything,
He nearly lost it all, including his life. They tried
to kill him exactly.
Speaker 1 (38:37):
So you know, I think ultimately what we're seeing here
there is a silver lining. I think that a lot
of the tech bros. There's a breakup with the tech
bros right now, which means that he can start making
some actions on the H one B visa a realm,
which would be smart, getting rid of that whole entire scam.
He doesn't need to take these these kind of donors
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into account. He's a one term president right now. So yes,
do we want to win in twenty twenty eight with
you know, kind of America First agenda? Yes, but ultimately
not at the expense of the American people by by
aligning with some of these people. So, you know, I say,
you know, and I've said this before in the past,
I think Elon is a He's a man that's done
great things, but I don't think he's a great man.
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And ultimately I think we should learn from this and
not put somebody like this on such a pedestal. We've
had red flags with this guy for a very long time,
and the H one B thing was probably the one
that was the biggest eye opener. So I want to
move on to this next topic. We're going to talk
about this in part two, this invasion of America, because
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the fascinating thing about this is that it is an
immediate rebuke of the position that Elon was taking about
this big, beautiful bill, and we're going to get into
that in part two, So join us over there in
Part two.
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That's right. So also, you know, keep an eye out
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There's no better time to spread it than right now
with what we're seeing happening in Los Angeles. I think
with all the Mexican flags and Palestinian flags flowing throughout
these riots in southern California. I think we're starting to
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see this question of what's an American is starting to
become more and more important.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
It really, really is. I mean, it just baffles me
how entitled these people are. They are demanding for us
to basically treat them like Americans and they're not Americans.
They're illegals.
Speaker 1 (01:54):
It's frustrating. So, you know, last week we had a
great week. We went away to Palm Beach. We got
to hang out with the iHeart family at a retreat.
Good to see the Iheartfanbam.
Speaker 2 (02:04):
Yeah, we got to see everybody, everybody, the entire iHeart team.
They are so good to us and to this show.
We're incredibly grateful for them. We got to see Sean Hannity,
Glenn Beck, Clay and Buck. You know, a lot a
lot of great people were there. It was such a
good event, and we got to meet a lot of
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great companies that are interested in supporting conservative media.
Speaker 1 (02:30):
Yeah, conservative podcast. It's kind of exciting. It's an exciting time.
I think with the Trump win in twenty twenty four,
it's starting to open up people's minds and eyes to
this audience that they are missing and that they are
ignoring these these sponsors. So I think this next throughout
the rest of this year, it's going to be a
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strong one for conservative media. We can't help but start
off this conversation with the Elon versus Trump fiasco. I
guess you can say that have and towards the tail
end of last our middle last.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
What a disappointing turn of events.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
It is. It's really it's pretty crazy. So we're going
to get into that, and we're also going to talk
about this invasion of southern California and kind of what
it says about America right now.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
But first, it is literally happening right now, you guys,
and we are very very close to the action.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
So let's first start off with this Elon versus Trump thing.
And this happened. I think we were on our way
home when this started to hit. We were and you know,
first of all, obviously I'm sure everybody knows, but Elon
threw some shade at Trump and it was kind of
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a shocking turn of events, and I think it kind
of is going to it's kind of a signal of
what's going to be coming in the in the big
tech world. But let's kind of go through it all. So,
as many of you guys know, Elon started throwing some punch.
He threw the first punch.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
Let's say that he started.
Speaker 1 (04:03):
A lot of the Elon kind of fandom is saying that, oh, no,
Trump was the first one that got personal. But Elon
went at this signature bill right now, this big beautiful
bill right now.
Speaker 2 (04:16):
I love the big beautiful bill.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
I love that Trump has a good I always has
a good naming of products.
Speaker 2 (04:21):
I wonder what his nickname would be for you, for me.
Speaker 1 (04:25):
The bald wonder. Okay, So anyways, Elon threw the first punch.
His fandom is saying, no, Trump got personal first. But
I would like to say this that if Trump went
at one of Elon's companies and did not go at Elon,
but say when at Tesla or when at SpaceX or
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you know any of these companies X or what have you,
I think that Elon would take it personal.
Speaker 2 (04:52):
Yes, it's the same thing. You know. I had a
longtime friend unfollow our red Pilled America account on Instagram,
and so I said something to another mutual friend and
they were like, oh, well, well no that's not personal.
I said, yes, of course, it's personal. It's totally personal.
Anybody that doesn't see that is clearly blind.
Speaker 1 (05:10):
So Elon said that, you know, I think what his
his actual initial statement was was on Twitter and he
was kind of he basically presented it as just kind
of having enough, and he said, I'm sorry, but I
just can't stand it anymore. This massive, outrageous, pork filled
congressional spending bill is a disgusting abomination. Shame on those
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who vote for it. You know you did wrong, you
know it. Okay, So this was a shock to anybody
that's kind of been paying attention to the Trump Elon
love affair. You know, it was really sad that this
happened during Pride month to see this this couple start
to break up.
Speaker 2 (05:53):
I mean, I feel like I could see that the
writing was on the wall. It was clear to me
that the honeymoon was over. And I also felt like
Elon was really overstepping his boundaries.
Speaker 1 (06:04):
I would agree with that. I would agree with that.
I think for me, it started with the h one
B fiasco around Christmas, and what do you know, that's
what we started off with. What's an American is with
kind of exposing that very first kind of crack in
the in the relationship. So it started with the H
one B fiasco and then it kind of went from there.
(06:26):
And I think that you slowly started to see this
kind of you know, I think at the end of
the day, you can't hide when you're in the spotlight
like this. And sure enough, the kind of Ashley Saint
Clair stuff started to come out. We started to see
some weirdness there in his kind of you know, view
on traditional marriage and relationships in general. So you know,
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Trump sees this tweet that he puts out that kind
of is basically telling people to vote against this congressional
spending bill. And the thing that's so kind of in
and about this bill is it has a budget in
there to deal with deportations and the border security. So
it's right now, it's an absolutely vital bill to make happen.
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And you know, I'm not going to get into the
ins and outs of kind of congress and you know
how these kinds of bills get passed, but ultimately, what
he's trying to, what he was advocating for, would need
a sixty percent of the Senate to get through, and
so what he's advocating for is not possible. So you
had Trump come out and kind of he expressed some frustration,
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and this is Trump on Elon's response to this big,
beautiful bill.
Speaker 3 (07:45):
But I'm very disappointed because Elon knew the inner workings
of this bill better than almost anybody sitting here, better
than you people.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
He knew everything about it.
Speaker 3 (07:54):
He had no problem with it. All of a sudden
he had a problem. And he only developed the problem
when he found out that we're going to have to
cut the ev mint it because that's billions and billions
of dollars, and it really is unfair. We want to
have cars of all types electric. We want to have electric,
but we want to have a gasoline combustion. We want
to have different we want to have hybrids, we want
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to have all. We want to be able to sell everything.
And when that was cut and Congress wanted to cut it,
he became a little bit different. And I can understand that.
But he knew every aspect of this bill. He knew
it better than almost anybody, and he never had a
problem until right after he left. And if you saw
the statements he made about me, which I'm sure you
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can get very easily, it's very fresh on tape, he
said the most beautiful things about me, and he hasn't
said bad about me personally, but I'm sure that'll be next.
Speaker 2 (08:46):
Old Trump was right on that prediction, and that is
an understatement if I ever heard one.
Speaker 1 (08:51):
Well, you know, he's seen this cycle happen so many
times where you know, you got the Scarmuccies and you know,
the Bill Barrs of the world. I mean, he's had
so many staff members after they left Bolton, John Bolton,
I mean, so many people after they left throw him
under the bus because they know that they can go
to the legacy media, and the legacy media loves that
(09:12):
kind of content. Anything that could beat up on Trump
They're going to like. And so, of course Elon follows
this tried and true path and he does kind of
the unthinkable. He accuses Trump of being on the Epstein
in the Epstein files.
Speaker 2 (09:29):
You got to read this tweet.
Speaker 1 (09:30):
And that is why he is not releasing the Epstein files.
This is what Elon had to say with that, of course,
time to drop the real big bomb.
Speaker 2 (09:40):
Real Donald Trump is in the Epstein files. That is
the real reason they have not been made public. Have
a nice day, DJT.
Speaker 1 (09:49):
So people saw that, and they're like, first of all,
immediately people are pointing out, this is ridiculous. Biden's FBI
has had control of these files for four years. If
there was anything in there that could damaged Trump, they
would have released it to the public totally.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
I mean, listen, they wrote a fake dossier Russia that
they invented this Russian collusion hoax. They have gone to
great lengths to hurt Trump. You think if they had
information that he was in the Epstein files, they would
not have released it. The answer to that is no,
they would have released it immediately.
Speaker 1 (10:29):
Well, and people are saying, well, it's probably going to
damage other people that were Democrats, that's why Biden didn't
release it. Well, they would have found a way to
just release the Trump stuff. Yeah, if that was the case,
it's hogwash. It's well recorded that Trump was one of
the first people that spoke out against Ebstein. He was
one of the first people to cooperate with the law
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enforcement to try to put the man on, you know,
expose his his behavior of liking underage girls. So, I
mean he's been on this for for well, I mean
close to two decades.
Speaker 2 (11:06):
Yeah, I have to say that when Elon dropped this tweet. So,
like Patrick mentioned earlier, we were on our way home
from West Palm Beach and Patrick read it out loud
to me and I gasped out loud. I thought it
was a joke. This really really shocked me. This is
a very low blow. You cannot go back from this.
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Somebody accuses you of being a pedophile, you can never
be friends with that person.
Speaker 1 (11:34):
Again, I would agree with that. That's kind of one
of the most you know, basic, you know, tenants of
friendship is to not hang out with somebody that calls
you or suggests that you're pedal.
Speaker 2 (11:48):
And by the way, so according to Elon, he was
okay knowing that Trump was allegedly a pedophile, and he
was all friendly with him until this big beautiful bill happened,
and then all of a sudden, now he's not okay
with that, of course.
Speaker 1 (12:00):
And also, how many pictures have we seen of his son,
little x or X, cruising around with Trump by himself,
you know, leaving the you know, either the plane or
the helicopter with Trump, with Elon nowhere to be found.
And somehow now he's come to the conclusion that, oh
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he's on the Epstein files it's it is kind of absurd.
So Elon goes and takes it a step further. He
calls for He basically calls for Trump to be impeached.
He agreed, He agrees with somebody that says that Trump
should be impeached. He he tells his two hundred plus
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million followers to call their representatives to vote against this bill.
The fascinating thing was is he tweets out and says,
call your representatives. Well, reporting has come out on that
where reporters have contacted the Republican representatives' offices and I
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think they got one call. Like, so this man has
has two hundred million followers and they have This is
one of the reports. Out of nearly a dozen Republican
Capitol Hill offices that spoke with The Hill, the Hill
being the media outlet, ranging from rank and file members
to leadership, Almost none had gotten any calls from GOP
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supporting constituents opposing the bill by the afternoon after the
Musk post or callers making references to the billionaire. One
office reported one caller who said kill the bill. So
this man that kind of portrays himself as now having
some political clout he's learning a big lesson. Now. People
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loved Elon because of his support for Trump, and Trump
is the man that is this mythological figure, and Elon
is in this room with this alpha, and I just
don't think that he could take this alpha. You know,
these two hour alpha's kind of being in the same room.
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It's kind of this nuclear explosion that's just waiting to happen.
Speaker 2 (14:09):
This was bound to happen. You cannot have the world's
most powerful man, Donald Trump, and the world's richest man
in this you know, it just it does not It's
not going to work. I think the writing was on
the wall. I really do. These two types of big personalities,
big strong men, like you said alpha's you know, one
(14:29):
of them wanted to alp out alpha the other. And
I think Elon is learning who the real alpha in
the room is.
Speaker 1 (14:36):
Elon claims that it was. He goes on from there
and he claims that Trump won because of him, And
once again that claim is destroyed when you actually look
at Elon's record and his political endorsements. He got behind
DeSantis in twenty twenty four, kind of put a lot
(14:56):
behind him to get him off the ground, even like
did this kind of groundbreaking spaces on Twitter that completely flopped.
Speaker 2 (15:04):
Yeah, it was a Flopperoni.
Speaker 1 (15:06):
He backed Andrew.
Speaker 2 (15:07):
Yang and DeSantis obviously lost.
Speaker 1 (15:10):
Yes, DeSantis loss. He backed Andrew Yang. In twenty twenty,
was said that he was for universal basic income, which
is basically kind of a communist giveaway, that's this kind
of standard payout to everybody as kind of a salary.
He said, he obvious it was obviously needed. That's what
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Elon said. So he's the only time that his kind
of political support has really paid off was with Trump.
And you know, we've spoken highly of Elon back in
the day here and we're kind of tipping our hat
to him for helping a free speech with X and
for helping Trump in this twenty twenty four election. And
(15:53):
it was definitely a good sign that he came aboard.
But I think like all of these major, massive elite
people is that they put their they wet their finger,
they put their finger into the wind, and they see
which way the wind is blowing. And there is no way,
after seeing Trump take a bullet in the ear that
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any man could see that happening and not see this
is the guy I want to get behind. So it
was a clear decision for anybody in his position. And
then of course all of these big tech people followed
suit afterwards, So it wasn't something that it was, you know,
this guy kind of saw this diamond in the rough
(16:37):
and decided to get behind him and pulled them up
from the bootstraps. I mean, if anybody can make that
kind of claim, it would have been like Steve Bannon
back in the day, or the people that were behind
Trump in the twenty fifteen twenty sixteen time frame that
had he had no political you know, history or experience
and no proven track record of being elected. And maybe
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those people from that first campaign can kind of claim
some ownership of his victory. But was just kind of,
you know, on the train that was going to be winning.
It was going to be victorious. So Trump surprisingly has
really he took the high road. You know, he said that,
(17:18):
you know, he didn't want to really An article came
out from the New York Times basically claiming that Elon
was drug addicted. It was somehow addicted to drugs, and
Trump said, you know, I don't want to comment on that.
I think in general, he's kind of taken the high
road on this. He has not done what he typically
does in these kinds of situations where he goes scorched earth,
(17:39):
he makes up a name for the person. He starts,
you know, intensely driving that name home. I think he
really felt hurt by it from everything that I've seen
on it. I mean, this is a guy. He let
him into his home in mar Lago. There's points where
Elon Musk was saying, this is basically my home.
Speaker 2 (17:57):
Now.
Speaker 1 (17:58):
You know, he let him into his family circle. You know,
he really like him in and then the second that
he leaves the White House he starts to backstab Trump.
And I think this is a guy that's been through
this so many times, and maybe I think he was
hoping for the best in this situation. You've seen Elon
(18:19):
speak so highly of him. You know, he's dark Maga,
you know, he's like spoken so highly of him. And
I think Elon at the end of the day, you know,
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why did this happen and what should some of the
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you're listening to Redpilled America's fan Buggy and we're talking
about the kind of skull between Trump and Elon Musk.
Speaker 2 (20:06):
I would say it's a little more than a scuffle.
Speaker 1 (20:09):
Yeah, yeah, Well, you know with these guys, though, it's
like Trump is pretty forgiving. You know, He's had some
major blowouts with people, but finds a way if they
end up submitting to kind of forgive them. I don't
think a forgiveness is going to be happening anytime soon
between these two guys. And it's because of the way
(20:30):
that Elon went at him, accusing him of being in
the Epstein files. Of course I should say that Elon
started to delete those tweets, those Ebstein tweets. You can't
find him anymore. Maybe there's some concern that there was
some defamation associated with this, because he's basically making a claim,
and somebody that's in the White House to make a
claim like that, you would possibly know that it's a
(20:53):
false claim. And you had cash Betel basically saying I
don't know anything about what they're saying. I don't even
want to discuss this or step into it in an
interview that he had with you know, one of these
podcast interviews that he was doing.
Speaker 2 (21:05):
So he didn't defend Trump.
Speaker 1 (21:07):
He wanted to stay out of it, is what he were.
Speaker 2 (21:10):
What he was basically saying, you should have defended Trump.
In my opinion, Well, you know you have that's problematic.
Speaker 1 (21:15):
I kind of agree with that, but you have what
you're seeing here. You're seeing this play out everywhere. Now.
The All In podcast, which we've talked about a lot
here with David Sachs and Chew Moth, the tech Bros.
The Tech Bros, they do a podcast every week, goes
out every Thursday, and apparently the podcast didn't go out
(21:35):
this week. I hear everybody saying, where's the pod? Where's
the pod? You guys are skipping out on the biggest news,
you know, moment of your guys's community.
Speaker 2 (21:46):
This is your domain.
Speaker 1 (21:48):
They basically kind of carved out this area where we are,
this kind of bringing together of the of this kind
of libertarian movement within the tech bro world. You know,
we have a relationship with Trump, now, we have a
relationship with Elon and they're basically dodging the subject.
Speaker 3 (22:05):
Now.
Speaker 1 (22:05):
It looks like and it's kind of an eye opening
moment there as well too, So, you.
Speaker 2 (22:11):
Know, I'm worried about the blowback. I wonder if the
all In guys are they scared of Trump or are
they scared of Elon or both? You're a little of both.
Speaker 1 (22:19):
I think they're bold.
Speaker 2 (22:20):
Yeah, I'm definitely worried about the fallout and what this
means for conservatives, particularly on X because you've already seen
Elon has unfollowed a lot of prominent MAGA figures. So
I'm worried. You know, is the censorship going to be
rolling in soon?
Speaker 1 (22:39):
I think that the censorship thing was always going to
get ramped up at some point.
Speaker 2 (22:43):
Yeah, it was going to come back around at some point,
but maybe sooner than we.
Speaker 1 (22:46):
Thought, perhaps perhaps, So why did this happen? There's a
lot of speculation on this. I don't think any of
these things kind of happened just because of one thing.
I think it's probably a build up of things. I
think the H one B Visa debacle was kind of
the very first thing, at least publicly that we saw
(23:07):
where this guy who's supposed to be Trump's support is
creating a riff within the base. It wasn't helpful for Trump.
Trump came out in support of him, in support of
his position, and surprisingly in support of H one B visas,
very disappointing move when the past where he's been very
negative about H one B visas, now he's saying, you know,
(23:28):
I've always supported them. That's what he said at least
in December when that whole kind of thing broke out.
So I think you know that kind of started it.
I think you know, Elon is claiming that it's this
big beautiful bill spending and that we have this debt crisis,
and that it was a principal decision as to why
he decided to take that. Trump claims that is because
(23:50):
of these EV benefits, which you heard earlier when we
played it. They get basically a kickback from the US
government for every purchase of an EV vehicle, and they
had to remove that from the bill. They removed that
EV benefit from this big beautiful bill, and Trump is
claiming that is what set off Elon. Elon has publicly
(24:10):
said before in the past that he's okay with getting
rid of the EV, these EV kind of kickbacks. So
you know there's some history there that you could say, Okay, well,
that's probably not what happened here. I don't know what
to believe. I think that Elon Is presents himself as
this kind of above the money money talk, and like,
(24:34):
I don't believe it either.
Speaker 2 (24:36):
I mean, let's let's think about it. Let's talk about
how Elon got rich exactly. You know, he got rich
from government contracts.
Speaker 1 (24:43):
He got rich from government contracts. One hundred percent from
the ev kickbacks. SpaceX is almost one hundred percent, you know,
backed by the these government kind of contracts. You have
the relationships that he's had with China. You never hear
him talk about China in a negative way, so.
Speaker 2 (25:00):
You know, it's very problematic. I mean, and let's be honest.
Elon Is, you know, he's off, He's kind of off,
you know. I know that he's talked about being autistic.
I'll tell you I don't know if this is true
or not, but there's a lot a lot of chatter
that allegedly Elon is addicted to ketamine, yeah, and that
he micro I think I think he's talked about microdosing
(25:21):
ketamine and ketamine. For those of you that don't know,
you know, I can tell you that I know some
information I'm not going to share too much. But uh,
it's a drug that is really really prominent on the right,
and quite a few people microdose it.
Speaker 1 (25:37):
Yeah, I don't know what it's supposed to do. Do
you know what it is?
Speaker 2 (25:41):
Yeah, it's supposed to so it helps with pain, it's
supposed to make you feel you know, a little bit
more clear, it gives you energy. There are a lot
of people that talk about the positive benefits of microdosing ketamine.
But what I think is going to happen. I think
it's going to be one of those things like you
(26:01):
know in the seventies and the eighties when everyone said,
like cocaine was totally fine, it was not addictive, and
then you know, all these years later we had you know,
coke heads now doing the smoking crack.
Speaker 1 (26:11):
And their noses collapse, so you know, the eternal side
of their noses collapse.
Speaker 2 (26:16):
Yeah, you know, I think a lot of chatter about
Elon and we know he's problematic. I mean, he's having
babies all over the place.
Speaker 1 (26:22):
He shows up in the White House with a black eye,
doesn't really explain it well.
Speaker 2 (26:26):
He also shows up, you know, in the Oval office
with his kid repeatedly, and I mean, listen, little X
is cute and adorable, but we don't bring our kid
to big meetings. I mean, you just don't do that. No,
we don't know.
Speaker 1 (26:38):
So there was that. So there's also some some news
that that Elon and the Treasury Secretary actually got had
a physical altercation where they were arguing. Basically, they were
both pitching to Donald Trump about who should be appointed
to kind of lead the IRS efforts. Elon had one pick,
the Treasury secretary had another, and apparently Trump went with
(27:02):
the Treasury secret terry. And there's some reports out there
that they got in an altercation, that Elon and the
Treasury secretary got in an altercation and apparently Elon put
his shoulder into the guy's ribs like kind of like
a rugby hit and they had to get separated at Yeah,
so there's that. There's also some buzz in the in
(27:23):
the Sun, which is kind of a tabloid UK tabloid magazine,
but saying that there is Musk was kind of befriending Kai,
which is Trump's granddaughter.
Speaker 2 (27:32):
Yeah, so that's Don Junior's oldest daughter, the golfer. We
spoke at the R and C correct, yes, yeah, and
she's very poised and quite adorable and recently turned eighteen. Yes,
and yeah, it reports of Elon being friendly with.
Speaker 1 (27:47):
Her and she's cute, and there's they had the countdown
clock to her eighteen year old to when she turned eighteen.
Speaker 2 (27:54):
I didn't like that. I don't like that.
Speaker 1 (27:55):
So there's that Eon is in his fifties. I think
I even think, like I want to say, Fox News
put out a you know, happy birthday, Happy eighteenth Kai
tweet or something along those lines. Everyone's kind of like
that's the low class, but it was. There was an insinuation.
There was an insinuation.
Speaker 2 (28:13):
Legal now, yes, yeah, there's no reason that a man
in his fifties needs to befriend an eighteen year old girl.
There's no reason for it.
Speaker 1 (28:22):
There's also been some talk that him and Stephen Miller
have been kind of butting heads well, and this is
and this is kind of interesting because I think Stephen
Miller's wife was working at the White House and ended
up going to work with Elon, and the first riff
that they had was between well, I guess Stephen Miller
was the one that was kind of saying how important
(28:44):
this big, beautiful bill was because it's going to help
them fight the border, or help them secure the border
and help them with three deportations.
Speaker 2 (28:51):
Illegal immigration with by the way, Elon seems to be four.
Speaker 1 (28:54):
Yeah. So then you have you have Elon coming forward
and saying, well, you know, I don't like this bill.
We need to shoot it down. And then there's also
this undercurrent of Steven Miller's wife going off to work
with Elon, and so there's been some talk that there
that was also part of the riff. So this is
(29:15):
all kind of pointing to these kind of multiple touch
points of why this altercation or why this breakup happened,
which is, you know, these things just start to add
up and you just have these two alphas in the
room and at some point the real alpha is going
(29:35):
to stand up, and the real alpha is undoubtedly Trump. Okay,
this is a guy that took the a bullet to
the ear. This is a man that has been you know, arrested,
had a mug shot, had the FBI raid his home.
He's had you know, law fair thrown at him, like
(29:56):
a ridiculous amount of lawsuits against him. They're trying to
jail this man for life. They tried to kill him,
and Elon, on the other hand, wants to replace you
with h one b workers. Okay, so who are we
going to get behind. Of course we're going to get
behind the guy that took a bullet for us. It's
not a very hard one to uh, you know, a
(30:18):
hard one to go with. And I think this really
shows what a novice Elon is when it comes to politics.
You know, it's funny because most of us that have
gone through this transition from the left to the right,
there's very kind of noticeable patterns to it. You kind
of become kind of libertarian first, and then it kind
(30:41):
of like slowly you start going down the Milton Friedman
route where you're reading all of these kinds of you know,
free to choose libertarian economic arguments, and then you slowly
start to say, okay, well, you know, we need a
new party, we need to have create a third party.
And then it kind of starts to you start to
(31:02):
take on a lot of these old fights that we've
already learned about how to deal with them. And that
seems to be what Elon is going through. This kind
of let's face it, like this cutting back right now
on spending And I put this tweet out a while
ago and Mike Cernovich kind of you know, helped amplify
this message. People don't care about spending right now. And
(31:25):
I know that might shock like a lot of you
kind of you know, conservatives out there for me to
say that, but we have been hearing about this debt crisis.
And don't get me wrong, like we do have a
debt crisis. Inflation is up because of government spending. All
the COVID spending has caused inflation. We're on a you know,
(31:47):
a track at some point to a collapse of the
dollar if something doesn't fix this, but it's not going
to happen like right now. Right now. The most important
thing to deal with is this illegal immigration issue we have.
You know, some as events say forty million illegal immigrants
in the United States. Some say it could be higher
than that. There's some benefit to having those people here
(32:09):
because you can pay you know, lower wages to those people.
But then there's that's also a negative because it lowers
the pay for Americans. But ultimately there's a big drag
on the United States economy and on the United States
law enforcement because of these forty million people. We're seeing
this right now in southern California and in Los Angeles
in particular, where you're seeing there's a segment of that
(32:31):
population that wants the destruction of the United States and
wants the destruction of America and are willing to turn
to violence to do that. If this issue isn't handled
illegal immigration, nothing else matters, because then you lose America.
So this bill was going to deal with that. We
don't have the margins in Congress. You know, when Obama
(32:53):
first collected, he had a supermajority, he could put anything
through that he wanted. We don't have that kind of
margin in Washington, DC. So you have to put through
what you could put through. You have to put through
what you can get through with a majority, not a
super majority. And it seems like Elon doesn't understand that,
or he's just there's other kind of business interests. I
(33:15):
think ultimately Elon he did some great things, but they
were all kind of a result of self preservation. We
have this free speech moment with X. We had his
support of Trump, but he had to support Trump. Biden
was coming after him, The Democrats were coming after him.
They want to extract him from some of his companies.
(33:37):
They wanted to start to prosecute him the only path
forward was with Trump. He bought X because it's the
number one news source in the world, and he has
this negative press coming at him, this legacy media coming
at him, so he bought that as a self preservation,
a play. So, yes, did we benefit from those things? Yes?
(34:00):
Should we tip our hat off to him, Yes, But
I think the days of putting him on his pedestal
are gone. I mean, this is a guy that went
from South Africa. He left South Africa, goes to Canada,
leaves Canada, goes to California, leaves California, goes to Texas.
He's going to go off somewhere else at some point.
He doesn't see America in the same way that many
(34:22):
of us do. That many of us see America. The
guy doesn't believe in traditional marriage. The guy wants to
bring in all these foreign workers to replace American workers.
He thinks American workers are lazy. He thinks American workers
are do not have the work ethic that he has.
Speaker 2 (34:38):
He abandons his kids.
Speaker 1 (34:40):
He left his wife, who gave birth to six kids,
and kind of left her somewhat destitute because I think
he had her sign a prenuptial.
Speaker 2 (34:49):
Yeah, it was a post nump and all she got
was the house. Yes, yeah, and he left her alone
to you know, one of their sons died early on,
but left her alone to raise five boys by herself. Yes,
he's got kids all all over the place that he's
not spending time with. Well, this man does not have
our values and we knew this.
Speaker 1 (35:07):
Well. He claims his son was kind of lost to
the woke mind virus. I think he was lost to neglect.
His father's not around. You see that time and time
again people wonder why so many of these Hollywood kids
turn out to be trands. In my opinion, it's because
of neglect, because their parents aren't around. Their parents are
(35:28):
so self centered in their kind of in their profession
that they don't pay attention to their kids. And I
don't say that it doesn't happen with all of them,
but it happens with enough of them to where you
see this kind of trend happening within Hollywood.
Speaker 2 (35:43):
Yeah, I mean I think that Elon started to drink
his own kool aid, probably that was spiked with a
little bit of kenemine. He started to drink his own kolad,
and he started to think that you know what, Maga
loved him, But the reason we loved Maga is because
he was behind our guy.
Speaker 1 (35:59):
Exactly.
Speaker 2 (35:59):
We get behind our guy. Okay, we're cool with you,
but Donald J. Trump, that's our guy.
Speaker 1 (36:05):
That's our guy. We've been through all this with him,
and yes, we know that he has his shortcomings.
Speaker 2 (36:10):
Yeah, he's not perfect.
Speaker 1 (36:11):
He has taken a bullet for us, So of course
we're going to get.
Speaker 2 (36:15):
Behind him reporting you know, all these illegals and hopefully
my cousin Martin too.
Speaker 1 (36:22):
Oh you love that one. I love it too.
Speaker 2 (36:25):
You know, I know I get an internal chuckle. I
like my own joke. Sorry, guys, I have no other joke.
Speaker 1 (36:30):
So you know, I think that this the kind of
the takeaway here is is to kind of really get
behind ideas, don't get behind people. Trump is our vehicle
to get behind this kind of America First agenda. He
has shown time and time again that he understands what
his base wants. Sometimes he might falter, but ultimately I
(36:53):
think that he has the people's he has the people
in mind when he's making these decisions. He's obviously taken
a stance against the elite. Let mean, think about what
happened to Trump when he runs for office, his net
worth crashes, he has to give up some of his properties.
(37:15):
His businesses start to have an issue. In general, all
of his brands took a major, major hit, and he
doubled and tripled down. Elon starts to get some hits
to his company because he's backing Trump, and he backs out.
You know, he's supposed to be in the dose thing
for a year and a half. He backs out, and
(37:37):
then the second he leaves the White House, he starts
to trash Trump. Okay, so it shows that he wasn't
really prepared to get involved in politics. I don't think
he is set up to deal with politics in the
way that Trump was, and that must have killed him.
I think it kills him to not have the power.
(37:59):
He's a power guy. He tries to play this this
kind of philanthropic kind of position, but that's not who
he is. I don't believe, and we saw that once
his businesses started to get hit. Do you ever hear
him talk about China negatively about China? Of course not. No.
He doesn't say anything about the the kind of yugurt
(38:20):
genocide that's happening in China. He doesn't say anything bad
about China period again.
Speaker 2 (38:24):
And by the way, MAGA and Trump supporters, we know
that Trump he put everything on the line, everything, everything, everything,
He nearly lost it all, including his life. They tried
to kill him exactly.
Speaker 1 (38:37):
So you know, I think ultimately what we're seeing here
there is a silver lining. I think that a lot
of the tech bros. There's a breakup with the tech
bros right now, which means that he can start making
some actions on the H one B visa a realm,
which would be smart, getting rid of that whole entire scam.
He doesn't need to take these these kind of donors
(38:58):
into account. He's a one term president right now. So yes,
do we want to win in twenty twenty eight with
you know, kind of America First agenda? Yes, but ultimately
not at the expense of the American people by by
aligning with some of these people. So, you know, I say,
you know, and I've said this before in the past,
I think Elon is a He's a man that's done
great things, but I don't think he's a great man.
(39:21):
And ultimately I think we should learn from this and
not put somebody like this on such a pedestal. We've
had red flags with this guy for a very long time,
and the H one B thing was probably the one
that was the biggest eye opener. So I want to
move on to this next topic. We're going to talk
about this in part two, this invasion of America, because
(39:43):
the fascinating thing about this is that it is an
immediate rebuke of the position that Elon was taking about
this big, beautiful bill, and we're going to get into
that in part two, So join us over there in
Part two.
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