October 31, 2025 • 41 mins
Part One: We do a deep dive into the attack on Tucker Carlson for interviewing Nick Fuentes. The fight for the soul of the Right has begun. Who will win?
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Speaker 1 (02:15):
But we want to get into this Tucker Carlson controversy
that's happening right now. We're seeing a fight for the
heart and soul of the right right now, and we
want to kind of dig into it and give some
analysis on it. It's really kind of all what you're
seeing is the aftermath of what happened or this fight
that's happening in the wake of the assassination of Charlie Kirk. So,
(02:40):
first of all, this it started basically with this Tucker
Carlson interview of Nick Fuentis. If anyone that hasn't heard
us speak about Nick Fuentest before, we spoke about him
almost two years ago, I would say it was the
first time we ever brought him up on this show,
on a fam boogie. It was a debate that he
had with Gavin McGinnis. I believe it was about Zionism,
(03:03):
and we spoke about that then. But he has been
really kind of rising over the course of the last
couple years. He was kind of delegated to the digital
ghettos for the last I don't know, I want to
say eight years, maybe nine years, long time. But once
Elon Musk purchased x and started giving people back their
(03:25):
accounts that were banned, he got his account back and
he's been slowly rising since then up until maybe the
last couple months, last six months or so, and he's
been rising pretty fast. He was recently on a canvas
Owen's interview, he did a debate with Denish Desuza, and
then now he did this interview with Tucker Carlson. When
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he did do this interview with Tucker Carlson, he's kind
of a little bit on a charm offensive right now.
I would say he.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
Does have a charming way about him. I have to
say he's very boyish, like, yes, he's comes out kind
of sweet and cutesy. He is cutesy, yea, I would
agree with you.
Speaker 1 (04:04):
We'll get into some of that a little bit. But
so he's doing this charm offensive and the pro Israel
faction of the conservative movement freaked out and they started
to basically attack Tucker Carlson.
Speaker 2 (04:19):
Which, by the way, they've been doing for a while.
Speaker 1 (04:21):
It's been going on for a while now. He's had
some controversial interviews. He's been taking kind of a I
would say, ever since the Gaza attacks and the kind
of hostage attacks on Israel, there's been this kind of
conflict that's been happening on the right, and he's been
one of those voices that has been pretty loud against
(04:44):
kind of our foreign policy in the Middle East and
getting involved in other wars, and Israel kind of gets
limped into that. So basically, Nick Fuentis is rising. He
gets in this interview with Tucker Carlson. The pro Israel
faction freaks out. And one of the things that was
kind of interesting about this was Nish Desuza, who had
(05:05):
got a lot of backlash for interviewing Nick Fuentis. He
excuse me, he debated Nick Fuentis. What year was that,
Denish Jesusa just did that within the last six to
eight weeks.
Speaker 3 (05:15):
Oh wow.
Speaker 1 (05:16):
After Denish SUSA debated Nickquentis, he got a big backlash
and Charlie Kirk actually sent him text messages. This trend
of releasing Charlie Kirk texts is kind of getting out
of hand.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
I don't like it.
Speaker 1 (05:30):
I don't like it either, But so this is what happened.
So he basically published these texts. And there's a reason
why he published these texts, and we'll get into that
in a minute. But this is what Charlie said to Denish.
This is a massive mistake that you did this. He's
vermin referring to Nick Wentis, and you just gave him
one of the biggest boosts of his career. You have
no idea the damage you did by talking to him
(05:53):
and complimenting him. We've been fighting this guy for six
years and you are the first mainstream voice to debate
and give him a compliment, which then makes him bigger
and more powerful. Now, Denish, I believe posted this because
of the backlash that he got after debating Nick Fuentis
as kind of a little bit of a shield. But
what he's trying to say here is is that Tucker
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Carlson is going against his friend Charlie Kirk in interviewing
Nick Fwentis and quote unquote mainstreaming Nick Fuentis.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
Just like he had already done.
Speaker 1 (06:25):
According to him, yes, so, but what he's trying to
say is is that you're going against Charlie Kirk. And
I mean he could take the position that I didn't
know Charlie Kirk was going to respond this way, But
also Charlie Kirk is now dead, and you are basically
dancing on his grave by putting this man up that
was one of his arch rivals, his arch enemies. And
it's kind of like a coordinated attack against Tucker Carlson
(06:48):
for platforming Nick Fuentis. And you see this because there's
been this effort to attack the organization that gave Tucker
Carlson his start, which is the Heritage Foundation. Sure, if
you guys are familiar with the Heritage Foundation, it's a
really popular conservative think tank. It's been around for how
(07:09):
long Adriana.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
It's been around since nineteen seventy three, And basically their
mission is to formulate and promote public policies based on
free enterprise, limited government, individual freedom, traditional American values, and
a strong national defense.
Speaker 1 (07:22):
There's been a big pressure on the Heritage Foundation to
kind of respond and basically purge itself of Tucker Carlson.
I've been seeing this happening online, and that seemed to
happen earlier on Thursday, when on one of their pages
that has like a fundraising it's like a donation page,
(07:43):
it had a bunch of Tucker Carlson quotes. If you
even actually look at the website's foot websites address, it
is Heritage dot org slash Tucker. So you look at
it today and those Tucker quotes are gone. So it
started to spread online that the Heritage Foundation was purging him,
(08:03):
and Denesh Desuza kind of spoke out and said, and
so it begins basically suggesting that this cancelation of Tucker
is beginning. He's the one that kind of started It
turns out, though, that the Heritage Foundation is not purging
itself of Tucker Carlson. The head of the Heritage Foundation,
(08:24):
Kevin Roberts He put out a statement on the situation
with Tucker, and the Post reads, there has been speculation
that Heritage is distancing itself from Tucker Carlson over the
past twenty four hours. I want to put that to
rest right now. Here are my thoughts, and here's what
you have to say.
Speaker 4 (08:43):
I'll have more to say on this in the coming days,
but today I want to be clear about one thing.
Christians can critique the state of Israel without being anti Semitic,
and of course anti Semitism should be condemned. My loyalty
as a Christian and as an American is to christ
first and to America always. When it serves the interests
(09:04):
of the United States to cooperate with Israel and other allies,
we should do so with partnerships on security, intelligence and technology.
But when it doesn't, Conservatives should feel no obligation to
reflexively support any foreign government, no matter how loud the
pressure becomes from the globalist class or from their mouthpieces
in Washington. The Heritage Foundation didn't become the intellectual backbone
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of the conservative movement by canceling our own people or
policing the consciences of Christians, and we won't start doing
that now. We don't take direction from comments on X
though we are grateful for the robust free speech debate.
We also don't take direction from members or donors, though
we are inherently grateful for their support, and we're adding
(09:49):
more every day. This is the robust debate we invite
with our colleagues, our movement, friends, our members, and the
American public. We will always defend truth, We will always
defend America, and we will always defend our friends against
the slander of bad actors who serve someone else's agenda.
(10:10):
That includes Tucker Carlson, who remains and as I have
said before, always will be a close friend of the
Heritage Foundation. The venomous coalition attacking him or sowing division,
their attempt to cancel him will fail. Most importantly, the
American people expect us to be focusing on our political
adversaries on the left, not attacking our friends on the right.
(10:34):
I disagree with and even a poor things that Nick
Flint has says, but canceling him is not the answer either.
When we disagree with the person's thoughts and opinions, we
challenge those ideas and debate. And we have seen success
in this approach as we continue to dismantle the vile
ideas of the left. As my friend Vice President Vance
(10:57):
said last night, what I am not okay with is
any country coming before the interest of American citizens. And
it is important for all of us, assuming we are
American citizens, to put the interest of our own country first.
That's where our allegiance lies, and that's where it will stay.
Speaker 1 (11:14):
Pretty strong statement and pretty clear that he's not and
they are not the Heritage Foundation backing away from Tucker
Carlson at least for now. We'll see what kind of
backlash he gets from that statement. But I thought it
was a pretty strong statement in support of free speech
and in support of Tucker Carlson. So the conservative Jewish
(11:38):
faction of the Conservative movement, of course, did not like
that statement and started to go at him as well.
And you'll see that online if you look for it.
What is this all about, Why is this happening right now?
And who is this Nick Fuentes that everybody is talking about.
We're going to get to that right after the break.
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about the controversy with Tucker Carlson and his interview with
Nick Fuentes and kind of who is this Nick Puentes guy.
Let's get to that. So you know, I've been paying
attention to this guy. I would say I think I
heard about him in twenty eighteen from Owen Benjamin on
Benjamin's a comedian that was also canceled. And then he
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kind of hit the scene in a big way in
twenty nineteen, and that's when I started to hear about him,
and it was his butting heads with Charlie Kirk. So
I want to give a little bit of background before
we get into that though. So this guy, Nick Fuentes,
he hosts a show called America. It's on Rumble, It's
been on other platforms, but he'd been kicked off on
(13:07):
multiple platforms, but I believe it's now on Rumble. So
he was born in nineteen ninety eight. That would make
him twenty seven years old. He's from Chicago. He was
born in Chicago area, went to high school in the
Chicago suburbs. He was interested in politics, he says, from
a very young age, from the age of twelve, he
started off as libertarian. I think that's kind of a
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common path to conservatism or to the right wing is
through libertarianism. He was reading Thomas soul and Milton Friedman.
He was very pro Israel. I think he was consuming
at that time Dennis Prager and Mark Levin and PJ Media,
which was kind of a very popular conservative media platform
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years ago. Breitbart News is also a website he was reading.
But then in twenty sixteen, everything started to change for
him because, of course, like everybody else, Trump entered the scene,
and Trump kind of opened his eyes to nationalism. I'm
gaining this all from multiple interviews that he has done
over the years that I have watched that took some
(14:11):
notes down recently. So in twenty sixteen, he went to
Boston University, which is I think a pretty prestigious Northeastern University,
and he started off kind of you know, this is
the time of the Trump era, and so was he
sounded to me like a little bit like maybe James
O'Keeffe in that he was poking the bear in college.
(14:34):
Pretty early on, he would wear around the Maga hat
everywhere he went around campus.
Speaker 2 (14:39):
At a time where it was not safe to wear
a maga hat in certain.
Speaker 1 (14:43):
Communities, definitely not in twenty sixteen and twenty seventeen, even
got worse. But anyways, wearing around that Maga hat, he
got threatened, but he still remained defiant. According to him,
Because of this wearing the Maga hat around this Boston university,
he started to gain a reputation and he was approached
and challenged to debate. He ended up debating the student
(15:05):
body president. I guess this guy was a senior. He
was a freshman, eighteen year old freshman. He debated this senior,
a Democratic Socialist that was the student body president. Totally
makes sense. Anyways, I guess about three hundred people showed
up and attended this thing, and in the audience was
this woman by the name, a young woman I should say,
(15:26):
by the name of Cassie Dylan and she was associated.
I believe she was working with the Daily Wire at
the time. I'm not sure if she was an employee,
but she had a connection with the Daily Wire people.
She was in the audience there and she started live
streaming it. She live streamed this debate on Periscope, which
was a really popular streaming platform or streaming tool on
Twitter at the time, and she claimed that Ben Shapiro
(15:50):
and Milo were watching this debate. She walked up to
Nick and introduced herself and asked if guess He asked
if he wanted to go to Israel, because she had
recently been to Israel to him, he said that he
turned her down, but anyways, she was also working with RSBN.
I believe that's the Right Side Broadcast Network. It's a
(16:12):
conservative broadcasting network. I was just getting started, I think
at around that time, and Cassie I think, was doing
some work with them, and she contacted RSPN, according to Nick,
to help him get a show. He gets a show
and he was kind of figuring out what he should
name it, and he watches the Trump inauguration and he
heard Donald Trump within his inauguration say the term America first,
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and he was kind of having this, according to him,
this nationalistic kind of awakening, and so he decided to
name his show America First, and it launched on RSBN
shortly after the inauguration. I believe he claims that right
around this time he was getting red pilled on Israel.
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He had a friend in one of his debate groups
that was kind of anti foreign policy and anti kind
of foreign aid to the Middle East, and he would
argue on the other side of that, he was pretty
pro Israel, but he was hearing this person's argument and
it was one of the people that kind of early
on that he was losing the debates too, and he
(17:21):
wasn't used to losing debates. I believe he said that
he was in like some un group that would do
a lot of debates, and he was part of the
debate teams in high school and what have you. But
this guy, he was losing in these debates. So I
guess around December of twenty sixteen, there was a couple
of things that happened, and I think this is all
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important to kind of provide some context on him. So
I guess in twenty sixteen of December, it was in
the lame duck phase of Obama's presidency right after Trump
had won. I guess Obama declined to veto a resolution
condemning the settlements in the West Bank. It wasn't that
he was taking a stance either way, but the fact
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that he didn't take us dance on behalf of Israel.
At that time, you had the Mark Levins of the
world coming forward and calling Obama a Jew hater and
anti Semite, and he saw that, and you're like, that's
kind of weird, because it's been our position to secure
these these the West Bank for the Palestinians, and that's
been part of the American position for quite some time.
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Obama didn't even like state a position on this. But
the fact that he didn't veto it, who's getting attacked
by these people that he admired, like the Mark Levins
of the world. So that was the kind of the
first thing that kind of entered into his mind. And
then February twenty seventeen comes along. Trump is now in
office and the first leader, the first foreign leader that
(18:47):
he meets with is bib Net Naho. So in this
press conference, a reporter steps forward and asks about the
West Bank settlements, and I guess there's some conflict at
that time about the West Bank settlements and Bibnet Naho
is being kind of criticized for Israeli settlers settling in
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the West Bank, and a reporter asked Trump about this
with BB right there.
Speaker 5 (19:13):
On the settlement issue, are you both on the same page?
Speaker 3 (19:15):
How do you exactly term that as it relates to
the settlement issue?
Speaker 2 (19:19):
Thank you.
Speaker 3 (19:20):
As far as settlements, I'd like to see you hold
back on settlements for a little bit.
Speaker 1 (19:25):
Will He's turning to bbing at Yahoo when he's stating this,
Trump is.
Speaker 5 (19:30):
Work something out.
Speaker 3 (19:31):
But I would like to see a deal be made.
I think a deal will be made. I know that
every president would like to Most of them have not
started till late because they never thought it was possible,
and it was impossible because they didn't do it. But
BB and I have known each other a long time,
a smart man, great negotiator, and I think we're going
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to make a deal. It might be a bigger and
better deal than people in this room even understand. That's
a possibility. So let's see what we do.
Speaker 5 (20:02):
That's part.
Speaker 3 (20:04):
Doesn't sound too optimistic, but this says good negotiating.
Speaker 6 (20:09):
That's the art of the deal.
Speaker 3 (20:10):
I also want to.
Speaker 1 (20:11):
Thank immediately following this statement that Trump made to BB
Dann Yahoo, BB made the largest expansion into the West
Bank area with settlements in twenty years. So it was
one of those things where it was kind of a
surprising move given that Trump and I should say America
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and Israel, the relationship that we had, the foreign aid
that we've been giving to this country, and the fact
that he defied Trump's request so quickly and so publicly.
It was kind of an eye opening experience for many
people at the time, and according to Nick Fuentes, that
was one of the things that kind of opened his
eyes a little bit more about this issue. So he
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starts asking more questions about foreign aid to Israel, Why
are we giving them so much money? This Cassie Dylan person,
I think her name has changed since then. I think
she's been married and she's converted to Judaism since then.
But he starts asking questions from her and this Daily
Wire's staff that he was kind of meeting at that time,
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because according to Nick Fuentes, and I haven't seen a
lot of I haven't seen too much kind of pushback
on this. According to him, The Daily Wire was kind
of checking him out at this time.
Speaker 2 (21:29):
They were according him a little bit, weren't they.
Speaker 1 (21:31):
I think courting is probably a good word. I think
what happens with a lot of these kind of conservative
groups is they look to these kind of elite colleges
and they try to find the next voice. And he
was kind of showing characteristics of being somebody who could
could be that next voice. He was a great debater.
He spoke eloquently, he spoke quickly. He was kind of
(21:54):
a little bit too trumpy for them. If you remember,
back in twenty sixteen, twenty seventeen, the Daily Wire was
vehemently anti Trump. They can claim that they weren't, but
they were very, very against anti Trump. I think there's
even some emails that came out later that where Jeremy
Boring said that they were the anti Trump, you know,
kind of publication. So, but he starts asking these questions
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to this Cassie Dylan person and some of these Daily
Wire Jewish staffers that he was befriending about this aid,
about this three point eight billion dollars foreign aid to Israel,
and he didn't understand it strategically. Why was the United
States doing this. I think that there's plenty of reasons
why you can argue we would strategically be involved with Israel.
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I think that there's and I'm not an expert on
that argument, but you know, I've seen arguments to where, Okay,
if we weren't there, they would have to go to
somebody else who would feel that vacuum. Would it be Russia,
would it be China, would it be any other of
these kind of major powers. Is it strategically important to
the United States? Many people would say yes. Others say
that the cost associated with it is just too much.
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But he was asking these kinds of questions, and he
wondered why we were kind of America first with NATO
and with these other kinds of conflict kind of areas,
but not with Israel. And these are the kinds of
questions he says. He was asking these Daily Wire staff,
and they didn't like these questions, according to him, and
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you could kind of see that publicly it starts to
seep out. At one point they said to him, according
to him, that the kinds of questions that he was
asking about this aid to Israel. It sounded hateful and
anti Semitic, and so they started to go cold on him,
and at one point Cassie allegedly said that she they
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weren't on the same movement, She didnt no longer wanted
to be friends with him. She was pro Israel, he
was obviously not, just by the mere fact of him
asking these questions, and she didn't want to be friends
with him anymore. It sounded pretty coordinated because shortly after that,
all of these guys you know, either blocked him on Twitter,
stopped responding to him, gaslighting him, They just cut him off.
Speaker 2 (24:07):
All of these people from the Daily Wire.
Speaker 1 (24:10):
Yes, and according to him, he was taken aback by that.
Apparently this is when he started to get ostracized by
the establishment conservatives. According to him, this Cassie person was
constantly calling the head of RSBN, sending him clips saying, oh,
you know, this is what Nick Fuentes is saying on
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you guys's platform. He's a racist, he's this, he's that.
He got recorded a kind of saying something very colorful
in regards to mixed marriages, and that ended up getting leaked.
Eventually he had to issue an apology, and then at
some point RSBN just cut him off, ended his show
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and that began his being expelled into the digital ghetto.
At one point, again I think it was on Christmas Eve,
he tweeted out something in this regard, stating something like,
if you're Mexico, first live in Mexico. If you're China,
first live in China. If you're Israel, first live in Israel.
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Apparently Ben Shapiro and you could see this still online
quote tweeted that and said the following accusing any American
Jew who is pro Israel of being an Israel first
is a pure form of anti Semitism. So I think
you know, we've played this the clip on our show
quite some time ago about Ben Shapiro where he just
(25:39):
verbally said his support of the United States is contingent
on America's policy with Israel.
Speaker 2 (25:46):
Do you have if one day you'll have to flee
to the United States.
Speaker 7 (25:50):
I mean, I think that every Jew throughout world history
who has a brain and knows history has always wondered
if a country that is not a Jewish state is
going to eternally provide them security guarantees in full citizenship.
Speaker 1 (26:01):
Of course.
Speaker 7 (26:01):
I mean that's I think to think that that's why
the existence of the state of Israel's the single greatest
garanteur of my loyalty to the United States. Frankly, right,
because Israel exists, that means the United States is going
to be more welcoming place or may because Israel is
there is a backstop in case anything should go wrong.
Speaker 1 (26:17):
He was clearly taking the position that Israel was first
to him, and for him to say otherwise is just
a historical It's right there for the public to see.
So anyways, Nick Fuentes gets thrown into this digital ghetto.
And this is when I would say, what starts to
radicalize people? And you saw this with Candice to a
certain degree, you saw this with Nick Fuentes. I think
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the more they do this to Tucker, it's going to
start to happen with him as well too. But what
happens is is you get thrown into this ghetto. And
when I say digital ghetto, you're not allowed on the
kind of mainstream media platforms. You aren't allowed growth within
the conservative media ecosystem. You are kind of in this desert,
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so to speak. You don't have the ability to kind
of amplify your message through going on some of these
bigger platforms, you know, speaking to some of these big
platform audiences. So you have to start doing some things
that are not something that I would advise my son
or daughter to do. And you start to see Nick
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Fuentis do this in this timeframe, starts to use words
that would get him canceled off of you know, most
platforms at that time, starts to take positions kind of
very big and bombastic and controversial positions, positions. I've seen
this multiple times within the kind of conservative media space,
and it's something that I think this has happened with
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conservatives over the course of the last ten years, because
in general, it happens more in the conservative route because
so many conservatives have been pushed off of the mainstream
media in general. So in a sense, you're already thrown
into a digital ghetto, and then when you start speaking
outside of the authorized speak within the conservative movement, you're
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pushed even into a deeper ghetto. So there's like gradients
of this digital ghetto there really are, you know, And
so he got thrown into the gradient of the gradient
we get we get thrown into the you know, the
AM radio. He gets thrown into like you know, Morse code.
So he gets thrown out into there and it becomes
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this kind of radicalization machine that happens, and he starts
to kind of take these very bombastic positions. Vice Magazine
does some stories on him. He starts to kind of
be used as by the mainstream media as this kind
of like look at how bad the right is, and
they'll take these clips that he says, and it's similar.
(28:50):
If you guys have any and I don't think many
people have spent much time in these spaces, but like
the four chan space and Reddit and what have you.
I've had to go to a lot of these spaces
for research. I've had to go when we did that
he will not divide us a series or shoot me
an episode on Shilah buff and his you know, hiding
(29:11):
that stream of that flag that he did, and the
people that end up taking that down were on four
chan and we're on I think it was eight chan,
I think it was one another one and read it
and what have you. I've had to spend a lot
of time in those spaces and what they do and
the way they talk is not what you would see
in polite society, and a lot of times they will
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do this to kick off normies.
Speaker 2 (29:35):
It's a filter mechanism.
Speaker 1 (29:37):
It's a way to get what they call normies off
of their stream. They will in one let me give
you a perfect example. They will post dead bodies and
grewsome dead bodies, and they'll do that ten or twenty
pictures in a row. Most normal people will see that
and like I'm out of here. And then after those
(29:58):
pictures is when they start their conversations or they'll throw
out the end word. The word. They'll just every like
a racial slur that you could possibly think to kind
of kick out people that they call the enormies. And
then they speak, you know, amongst themselves, this is what
happens in that culture. And if you are kind of
pushed to those digital ghettos, that is the speak that
(30:19):
you have to speak to kind of fit in with
those people. And I'm not making excuses or condoning Nickquentis's actions.
Like I said, if it was my daughter or my son,
I would say, you know, pick another line of work,
or figure something else out, or take a lot longer
to rise. You don't need to go down this path.
So he goes down this path, and he becomes pretty
(30:41):
radicalized in that regard, and there's plenty of clips out
there that could get you canceled from the mainstream media,
you know, any day of the week that he's that
he's said out there. But I think this is the
most charitable way to kind of view it. We've talked
about Nick quents over the years. Like I said, I
don't really like the guy. I think that there's certain
(31:02):
aspects of him that are interesting. He makes some very
valid arguments on certain things, and then there's other things
that he says that I feel like, you can't call
yourself a victim when you say the kinds of things
that he's been saying publicly for as long as he has. Okay,
So he continues his America First show, he starts gaining
some followers, and twenty nineteen comes along and he does
(31:26):
this thing called the Groper War. His followers, his audience
is called Groper's and I think it's connected to the
Pepe of the Frog kind of meme. Their kind of trollers,
and they target Charlie Kirk's tour at the time, Charlie
Kirk was going on this tour of colleges called the
Culture War. And what they would do is they do
(31:47):
these coordinated troll campaigns where they would go to these
events and they would ask questions that were kind of
hard for conservative of Charlie Kirk's ilk to respond to.
And what you start to see from Charlie Kirk, and
we've spoke about this kind of in the wake of
Charlie Kirk's assassination. He was the quintessential gatekeeper. And I'm
(32:11):
that is just a fact. He was the gatekeeper because
he had control of the largest conservative activist organization in America.
Who he invites to is events are the ones that
are invited into the conservative movement. If you are not
invited to those events, you are not part of the
conservative movement. It's just as simple as that. I don't
(32:36):
even mean it necessarily as a negative connotation right now
as I'm speaking about it. There are gatekeepers, and Charlie
Kirk was one of those gatekeepers. So I think that
that is something that Nick Fuentes kind of despised.
Speaker 2 (32:52):
And the kinds of questions that they would go to
these turning point events and asked would be questions about
let's say, gay conservatives or Israel's influence in America. So
questions like like that.
Speaker 1 (33:03):
Yes, And I think we should play a quick clip
of this because it kind of gives a good It
gives a good idea of how Charlie responded to this,
or why.
Speaker 8 (33:12):
Don't you have anybody dissenting from the right? Whenever we're
going to have more nationalists instead of just engagement with
the left. Now that the Biden administration has invaded our country,
when are we going to build a big tent with
nationalists like Jared Taylor and Nick Fuentes.
Speaker 6 (33:29):
Yeah, that's funny. Yeah, I don't align with jew haters. Sorry,
do you hate Jews? By the way, Like, what do
you think of Jewish people?
Speaker 2 (33:37):
No?
Speaker 8 (33:38):
I think they have a disproportionate influence in American politics.
Speaker 1 (33:41):
I want to play one other clip for you guys,
because this is where you kind of really see how
Charlie could be pretty hostile to being debated from the right.
Here's another clip.
Speaker 6 (33:54):
I want to ask a question of your what does
it mean to be an American? Is it an idea
or a history, a shared history, or or is it
a skin color?
Speaker 9 (34:04):
Well, I mean you could go back to the original
founding fathers, the Immigration Act of I believe it.
Speaker 6 (34:10):
Was, what does it mean to be an American? Is
it a skin color or something?
Speaker 1 (34:13):
Else.
Speaker 9 (34:15):
So there's the current idea of what it means according
to you know, the Heart Celler Immigration Act, and you
know all this boy that you guys view. But if
you go back to the original founding fathers, they intended
this to be a European nation for white men of
good stock in character.
Speaker 6 (34:32):
So can you show me let me answer the question,
can you show me where in the United States Constitution?
Speaker 9 (34:39):
It says that it wasn't in the constitution.
Speaker 6 (34:41):
It wasn't in a constitution because they didn't believe it.
Speaker 1 (34:46):
He's totally wrong there by the way, Charlie Kirk is
wrong in that assessment. Citizenship was handled by the states,
not by federal It didn't happen in the Constitution until
several years later. So citizenship was defined by the states.
He said, is that because it's not in the constitution.
That is not how the founders felt, And that is
(35:07):
what Charlie says. That's what Charlie said. He goes on,
are you and.
Speaker 6 (35:11):
Your ideology is not conservative? It is right wing identitarian,
has no place in the conservative movement. My friend along
ten ut along.
Speaker 2 (35:23):
Okay, so he's very very hot, very hot, curious.
Speaker 1 (35:28):
And it's funny because if you see him debate the left,
he doesn't respond that way. It's when he is responding
and debating the right is when he got that hot.
Speaker 2 (35:38):
In fairness, though, this clip is from the Culture War tour,
and this is when the Groygbers War attacking him and
it was clearly getting under his skin.
Speaker 1 (35:47):
Well, I don't know if you call it attacking. They're
asking him questions. He is known for debate. He's known
to go into these hostile leftist areas and debate people
about ideas. But when the right, when he would get
debated from the right, he would get very very hostile.
That's fair, okay, Now I agree with that. Now you
heard him state there that because it wasn't in the Constitution,
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they didn't believe that.
Speaker 2 (36:12):
By the way, I just want to be clear, this
is not an attack on Charlie Kirk. We are just
laying out the facts and explaining to you how this
all came about exactly.
Speaker 1 (36:22):
So here he is responding to another question in regards
to proof that the United States was founded on Christian principles.
Speaker 5 (36:29):
Our country was fought on common law because the Declaration
only refers to God four times and the Constitution doesn't
refer to God at all, and it only articulates the
structure of government.
Speaker 6 (36:40):
So, first of all, remember that we were a collection
of states and colonies, and you need to read the
state constitutions or anything else. Thirteen or thirteen required a
declaration of faith. Nine or thirteen required him to be
a Protestant, except Maryland, which was Catholic, which still required
a declaration of faith. Every single one of the original
state constitutions Pennsylvania included they had I professed Lord in
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Jesus Christ as my Lord and Savior in the original Constitution.
Speaker 1 (37:03):
So you get the idea there. So he's basically when
it was benefiting his argument, he would go to the Constitution,
and when it didn't benefit his argument, he would leave
the Constitution and go to the state constitutions. Ultimately, the
point I'm trying to make here is is that he
would get very hostile when he was debated from the right,
(37:26):
and I think that was the kind of thing that
infuriated people like Nick Quentis and like others that had
been were kind of pushed to this digital ghetto and
were being gate keeped out of the conversation. Now, in
Charlie's defense, he started to change on that. But this
is what was frustrating a lot of people like Nick
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Fuentis at that time. This was the moment that I
think that this guy really rose into prominence, where these
debates that his gropers were having with Charlie Kirk called growth.
Speaker 2 (38:01):
Wars, were it was huge. Everybody in the conservative movement,
we all knew about it. We were all talking about it.
Speaker 1 (38:07):
Yes, it was very interesting to it to see. It
was very eye opening. Actually. For example, at one point
he was up there with Rob Smith, who's been on
our show before, and the Graper's were questioning him like,
how could you have a gay conservative up there with
you representing his gayness as part of the conservative movement.
And again Charlie got very hostile with this guy, and
(38:31):
at some point he got pressured into discussing why he
didn't debate Nick Quentis, And this is what he had
to say on that.
Speaker 4 (38:38):
Will you ever be willing to debate Nick Quinta's or
will you wait until his the movement forces you to
adopt his talking points as we've seen already.
Speaker 6 (38:44):
You know, it's funny. I personally do not give a
platform to bad faith actors, but you.
Speaker 8 (38:50):
Know, what.
Speaker 6 (38:51):
Honestly, I'm asked that question all the time. I don't
platform trolls, and I don't platform, and I don't discuss
people or don't debate with people that are not good
faith actors.
Speaker 1 (39:01):
So I think it really it's interesting here. And before
we move on to part two, I want to kind
of discuss this really quickly. Michelle Malkin, famed conservative activist,
saw what Nick Fuentes was doing and she spoke at
one of his events, and she kind of spoke out
on behalf of this kind of youthful America First movement,
(39:23):
and in particular kind of why can't we speak about
America's involvement with Israel. It's getting us involved in wars
out there, it's getting us involved in in issues with
these kind of Muslim countries, It's causing conflict. American boys
are dying out there because of these conflicts. This kid
(39:45):
and his followers are addressing this. I want to speak
to these kids. So Michelle Malklin went to one of
his conferences and spoke, and she got basically pushed out
of the conservative movement.
Speaker 2 (39:57):
It absolutely did. And by the way, interestingly, Michelle is
married to a Jewish man.
Speaker 1 (40:02):
You don't even see her anymore. She's not even involved
in activism anymore. We've reached out to her before we've
had her on the show. We wanted her to speak
out on various issues and be interviewed for a couple episodes,
and she declined. She said that, you know, she just
doesn't want to get involved with that stuff.
Speaker 2 (40:21):
She didn't want, she didn't want back in.
Speaker 1 (40:23):
She was one of the loudest and most effective voices
and conservative issues on immigration, and she was basically booted
by the Jewish faction within the conservative movement and it
was an unfortunate thing because she was a really, really
powerful voice.
Speaker 2 (40:41):
She really was one of my favorites.
Speaker 1 (40:43):
So how did this change? So he's basically out there
in this ghetto, this digital ghetto. He's got these gropers
kind of going to these Charlie Kirk events and trolling him,
but he's still on the fringes. How does that change? Well,
we'll get into that in part two. Join us over
there now,
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But we want to get into this Tucker Carlson controversy
that's happening right now. We're seeing a fight for the
heart and soul of the right right now, and we
want to kind of dig into it and give some
analysis on it. It's really kind of all what you're
seeing is the aftermath of what happened or this fight
that's happening in the wake of the assassination of Charlie Kirk. So,
(02:40):
first of all, this it started basically with this Tucker
Carlson interview of Nick Fuentis. If anyone that hasn't heard
us speak about Nick Fuentest before, we spoke about him
almost two years ago, I would say it was the
first time we ever brought him up on this show,
on a fam boogie. It was a debate that he
had with Gavin McGinnis. I believe it was about Zionism,
(03:03):
and we spoke about that then. But he has been
really kind of rising over the course of the last
couple years. He was kind of delegated to the digital
ghettos for the last I don't know, I want to
say eight years, maybe nine years, long time. But once
Elon Musk purchased x and started giving people back their
(03:25):
accounts that were banned, he got his account back and
he's been slowly rising since then up until maybe the
last couple months, last six months or so, and he's
been rising pretty fast. He was recently on a canvas
Owen's interview, he did a debate with Denish Desuza, and
then now he did this interview with Tucker Carlson. When
(03:46):
he did do this interview with Tucker Carlson, he's kind
of a little bit on a charm offensive right now.
I would say he.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
Does have a charming way about him. I have to
say he's very boyish, like, yes, he's comes out kind
of sweet and cutesy. He is cutesy, yea, I would
agree with you.
Speaker 1 (04:04):
We'll get into some of that a little bit. But
so he's doing this charm offensive and the pro Israel
faction of the conservative movement freaked out and they started
to basically attack Tucker Carlson.
Speaker 2 (04:19):
Which, by the way, they've been doing for a while.
Speaker 1 (04:21):
It's been going on for a while now. He's had
some controversial interviews. He's been taking kind of a I
would say, ever since the Gaza attacks and the kind
of hostage attacks on Israel, there's been this kind of
conflict that's been happening on the right, and he's been
one of those voices that has been pretty loud against
(04:44):
kind of our foreign policy in the Middle East and
getting involved in other wars, and Israel kind of gets
limped into that. So basically, Nick Fuentis is rising. He
gets in this interview with Tucker Carlson. The pro Israel
faction freaks out. And one of the things that was
kind of interesting about this was Nish Desuza, who had
(05:05):
got a lot of backlash for interviewing Nick Fuentis. He
excuse me, he debated Nick Fuentis. What year was that,
Denish Jesusa just did that within the last six to
eight weeks.
Speaker 3 (05:15):
Oh wow.
Speaker 1 (05:16):
After Denish SUSA debated Nickquentis, he got a big backlash
and Charlie Kirk actually sent him text messages. This trend
of releasing Charlie Kirk texts is kind of getting out
of hand.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
I don't like it.
Speaker 1 (05:30):
I don't like it either, But so this is what happened.
So he basically published these texts. And there's a reason
why he published these texts, and we'll get into that
in a minute. But this is what Charlie said to Denish.
This is a massive mistake that you did this. He's
vermin referring to Nick Wentis, and you just gave him
one of the biggest boosts of his career. You have
no idea the damage you did by talking to him
(05:53):
and complimenting him. We've been fighting this guy for six
years and you are the first mainstream voice to debate
and give him a compliment, which then makes him bigger
and more powerful. Now, Denish, I believe posted this because
of the backlash that he got after debating Nick Fuentis
as kind of a little bit of a shield. But
what he's trying to say here is is that Tucker
(06:16):
Carlson is going against his friend Charlie Kirk in interviewing
Nick Fwentis and quote unquote mainstreaming Nick Fuentis.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
Just like he had already done.
Speaker 1 (06:25):
According to him, yes, so, but what he's trying to
say is is that you're going against Charlie Kirk. And
I mean he could take the position that I didn't
know Charlie Kirk was going to respond this way, But
also Charlie Kirk is now dead, and you are basically
dancing on his grave by putting this man up that
was one of his arch rivals, his arch enemies. And
it's kind of like a coordinated attack against Tucker Carlson
(06:48):
for platforming Nick Fuentis. And you see this because there's
been this effort to attack the organization that gave Tucker
Carlson his start, which is the Heritage Foundation. Sure, if
you guys are familiar with the Heritage Foundation, it's a
really popular conservative think tank. It's been around for how
(07:09):
long Adriana.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
It's been around since nineteen seventy three, And basically their
mission is to formulate and promote public policies based on
free enterprise, limited government, individual freedom, traditional American values, and
a strong national defense.
Speaker 1 (07:22):
There's been a big pressure on the Heritage Foundation to
kind of respond and basically purge itself of Tucker Carlson.
I've been seeing this happening online, and that seemed to
happen earlier on Thursday, when on one of their pages
that has like a fundraising it's like a donation page,
(07:43):
it had a bunch of Tucker Carlson quotes. If you
even actually look at the website's foot websites address, it
is Heritage dot org slash Tucker. So you look at
it today and those Tucker quotes are gone. So it
started to spread online that the Heritage Foundation was purging him,
(08:03):
and Denesh Desuza kind of spoke out and said, and
so it begins basically suggesting that this cancelation of Tucker
is beginning. He's the one that kind of started It
turns out, though, that the Heritage Foundation is not purging
itself of Tucker Carlson. The head of the Heritage Foundation,
(08:24):
Kevin Roberts He put out a statement on the situation
with Tucker, and the Post reads, there has been speculation
that Heritage is distancing itself from Tucker Carlson over the
past twenty four hours. I want to put that to
rest right now. Here are my thoughts, and here's what
you have to say.
Speaker 4 (08:43):
I'll have more to say on this in the coming days,
but today I want to be clear about one thing.
Christians can critique the state of Israel without being anti Semitic,
and of course anti Semitism should be condemned. My loyalty
as a Christian and as an American is to christ
first and to America always. When it serves the interests
(09:04):
of the United States to cooperate with Israel and other allies,
we should do so with partnerships on security, intelligence and technology.
But when it doesn't, Conservatives should feel no obligation to
reflexively support any foreign government, no matter how loud the
pressure becomes from the globalist class or from their mouthpieces
in Washington. The Heritage Foundation didn't become the intellectual backbone
(09:28):
of the conservative movement by canceling our own people or
policing the consciences of Christians, and we won't start doing
that now. We don't take direction from comments on X
though we are grateful for the robust free speech debate.
We also don't take direction from members or donors, though
we are inherently grateful for their support, and we're adding
(09:49):
more every day. This is the robust debate we invite
with our colleagues, our movement, friends, our members, and the
American public. We will always defend truth, We will always
defend America, and we will always defend our friends against
the slander of bad actors who serve someone else's agenda.
(10:10):
That includes Tucker Carlson, who remains and as I have
said before, always will be a close friend of the
Heritage Foundation. The venomous coalition attacking him or sowing division,
their attempt to cancel him will fail. Most importantly, the
American people expect us to be focusing on our political
adversaries on the left, not attacking our friends on the right.
(10:34):
I disagree with and even a poor things that Nick
Flint has says, but canceling him is not the answer either.
When we disagree with the person's thoughts and opinions, we
challenge those ideas and debate. And we have seen success
in this approach as we continue to dismantle the vile
ideas of the left. As my friend Vice President Vance
(10:57):
said last night, what I am not okay with is
any country coming before the interest of American citizens. And
it is important for all of us, assuming we are
American citizens, to put the interest of our own country first.
That's where our allegiance lies, and that's where it will stay.
Speaker 1 (11:14):
Pretty strong statement and pretty clear that he's not and
they are not the Heritage Foundation backing away from Tucker
Carlson at least for now. We'll see what kind of
backlash he gets from that statement. But I thought it
was a pretty strong statement in support of free speech
and in support of Tucker Carlson. So the conservative Jewish
(11:38):
faction of the Conservative movement, of course, did not like
that statement and started to go at him as well.
And you'll see that online if you look for it.
What is this all about, Why is this happening right now?
And who is this Nick Fuentes that everybody is talking about.
We're going to get to that right after the break.
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about the controversy with Tucker Carlson and his interview with
Nick Fuentes and kind of who is this Nick Puentes guy.
Let's get to that. So you know, I've been paying
attention to this guy. I would say I think I
heard about him in twenty eighteen from Owen Benjamin on
Benjamin's a comedian that was also canceled. And then he
(12:45):
kind of hit the scene in a big way in
twenty nineteen, and that's when I started to hear about him,
and it was his butting heads with Charlie Kirk. So
I want to give a little bit of background before
we get into that though. So this guy, Nick Fuentes,
he hosts a show called America. It's on Rumble, It's
been on other platforms, but he'd been kicked off on
(13:07):
multiple platforms, but I believe it's now on Rumble. So
he was born in nineteen ninety eight. That would make
him twenty seven years old. He's from Chicago. He was
born in Chicago area, went to high school in the
Chicago suburbs. He was interested in politics, he says, from
a very young age, from the age of twelve, he
started off as libertarian. I think that's kind of a
(13:29):
common path to conservatism or to the right wing is
through libertarianism. He was reading Thomas soul and Milton Friedman.
He was very pro Israel. I think he was consuming
at that time Dennis Prager and Mark Levin and PJ Media,
which was kind of a very popular conservative media platform
(13:50):
years ago. Breitbart News is also a website he was reading.
But then in twenty sixteen, everything started to change for
him because, of course, like everybody else, Trump entered the scene,
and Trump kind of opened his eyes to nationalism. I'm
gaining this all from multiple interviews that he has done
over the years that I have watched that took some
(14:11):
notes down recently. So in twenty sixteen, he went to
Boston University, which is I think a pretty prestigious Northeastern University,
and he started off kind of you know, this is
the time of the Trump era, and so was he
sounded to me like a little bit like maybe James
O'Keeffe in that he was poking the bear in college.
(14:34):
Pretty early on, he would wear around the Maga hat
everywhere he went around campus.
Speaker 2 (14:39):
At a time where it was not safe to wear
a maga hat in certain.
Speaker 1 (14:43):
Communities, definitely not in twenty sixteen and twenty seventeen, even
got worse. But anyways, wearing around that Maga hat, he
got threatened, but he still remained defiant. According to him,
Because of this wearing the Maga hat around this Boston university,
he started to gain a reputation and he was approached
and challenged to debate. He ended up debating the student
(15:05):
body president. I guess this guy was a senior. He
was a freshman, eighteen year old freshman. He debated this senior,
a Democratic Socialist that was the student body president. Totally
makes sense. Anyways, I guess about three hundred people showed
up and attended this thing, and in the audience was
this woman by the name, a young woman I should say,
(15:26):
by the name of Cassie Dylan and she was associated.
I believe she was working with the Daily Wire at
the time. I'm not sure if she was an employee,
but she had a connection with the Daily Wire people.
She was in the audience there and she started live
streaming it. She live streamed this debate on Periscope, which
was a really popular streaming platform or streaming tool on
Twitter at the time, and she claimed that Ben Shapiro
(15:50):
and Milo were watching this debate. She walked up to
Nick and introduced herself and asked if guess He asked
if he wanted to go to Israel, because she had
recently been to Israel to him, he said that he
turned her down, but anyways, she was also working with RSBN.
I believe that's the Right Side Broadcast Network. It's a
(16:12):
conservative broadcasting network. I was just getting started, I think
at around that time, and Cassie I think, was doing
some work with them, and she contacted RSPN, according to Nick,
to help him get a show. He gets a show
and he was kind of figuring out what he should
name it, and he watches the Trump inauguration and he
heard Donald Trump within his inauguration say the term America first,
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and he was kind of having this, according to him,
this nationalistic kind of awakening, and so he decided to
name his show America First, and it launched on RSBN
shortly after the inauguration. I believe he claims that right
around this time he was getting red pilled on Israel.
(17:00):
He had a friend in one of his debate groups
that was kind of anti foreign policy and anti kind
of foreign aid to the Middle East, and he would
argue on the other side of that, he was pretty
pro Israel, but he was hearing this person's argument and
it was one of the people that kind of early
on that he was losing the debates too, and he
(17:21):
wasn't used to losing debates. I believe he said that
he was in like some un group that would do
a lot of debates, and he was part of the
debate teams in high school and what have you. But
this guy, he was losing in these debates. So I
guess around December of twenty sixteen, there was a couple
of things that happened, and I think this is all
(17:41):
important to kind of provide some context on him. So
I guess in twenty sixteen of December, it was in
the lame duck phase of Obama's presidency right after Trump
had won. I guess Obama declined to veto a resolution
condemning the settlements in the West Bank. It wasn't that
he was taking a stance either way, but the fact
(18:02):
that he didn't take us dance on behalf of Israel.
At that time, you had the Mark Levins of the
world coming forward and calling Obama a Jew hater and
anti Semite, and he saw that, and you're like, that's
kind of weird, because it's been our position to secure
these these the West Bank for the Palestinians, and that's
been part of the American position for quite some time.
(18:23):
Obama didn't even like state a position on this. But
the fact that he didn't veto it, who's getting attacked
by these people that he admired, like the Mark Levins
of the world. So that was the kind of the
first thing that kind of entered into his mind. And
then February twenty seventeen comes along. Trump is now in
office and the first leader, the first foreign leader that
(18:47):
he meets with is bib Net Naho. So in this
press conference, a reporter steps forward and asks about the
West Bank settlements, and I guess there's some conflict at
that time about the West Bank settlements and Bibnet Naho
is being kind of criticized for Israeli settlers settling in
(19:08):
the West Bank, and a reporter asked Trump about this
with BB right there.
Speaker 5 (19:13):
On the settlement issue, are you both on the same page?
Speaker 3 (19:15):
How do you exactly term that as it relates to
the settlement issue?
Speaker 2 (19:19):
Thank you.
Speaker 3 (19:20):
As far as settlements, I'd like to see you hold
back on settlements for a little bit.
Speaker 1 (19:25):
Will He's turning to bbing at Yahoo when he's stating this,
Trump is.
Speaker 5 (19:30):
Work something out.
Speaker 3 (19:31):
But I would like to see a deal be made.
I think a deal will be made. I know that
every president would like to Most of them have not
started till late because they never thought it was possible,
and it was impossible because they didn't do it. But
BB and I have known each other a long time,
a smart man, great negotiator, and I think we're going
(19:52):
to make a deal. It might be a bigger and
better deal than people in this room even understand. That's
a possibility. So let's see what we do.
Speaker 5 (20:02):
That's part.
Speaker 3 (20:04):
Doesn't sound too optimistic, but this says good negotiating.
Speaker 6 (20:09):
That's the art of the deal.
Speaker 3 (20:10):
I also want to.
Speaker 1 (20:11):
Thank immediately following this statement that Trump made to BB
Dann Yahoo, BB made the largest expansion into the West
Bank area with settlements in twenty years. So it was
one of those things where it was kind of a
surprising move given that Trump and I should say America
(20:31):
and Israel, the relationship that we had, the foreign aid
that we've been giving to this country, and the fact
that he defied Trump's request so quickly and so publicly.
It was kind of an eye opening experience for many
people at the time, and according to Nick Fuentes, that
was one of the things that kind of opened his
eyes a little bit more about this issue. So he
(20:54):
starts asking more questions about foreign aid to Israel, Why
are we giving them so much money? This Cassie Dylan person,
I think her name has changed since then. I think
she's been married and she's converted to Judaism since then.
But he starts asking questions from her and this Daily
Wire's staff that he was kind of meeting at that time,
(21:17):
because according to Nick Fuentes, and I haven't seen a
lot of I haven't seen too much kind of pushback
on this. According to him, The Daily Wire was kind
of checking him out at this time.
Speaker 2 (21:29):
They were according him a little bit, weren't they.
Speaker 1 (21:31):
I think courting is probably a good word. I think
what happens with a lot of these kind of conservative
groups is they look to these kind of elite colleges
and they try to find the next voice. And he
was kind of showing characteristics of being somebody who could
could be that next voice. He was a great debater.
He spoke eloquently, he spoke quickly. He was kind of
(21:54):
a little bit too trumpy for them. If you remember,
back in twenty sixteen, twenty seventeen, the Daily Wire was
vehemently anti Trump. They can claim that they weren't, but
they were very, very against anti Trump. I think there's
even some emails that came out later that where Jeremy
Boring said that they were the anti Trump, you know,
kind of publication. So, but he starts asking these questions
(22:16):
to this Cassie Dylan person and some of these Daily
Wire Jewish staffers that he was befriending about this aid,
about this three point eight billion dollars foreign aid to Israel,
and he didn't understand it strategically. Why was the United
States doing this. I think that there's plenty of reasons
why you can argue we would strategically be involved with Israel.
(22:37):
I think that there's and I'm not an expert on
that argument, but you know, I've seen arguments to where, Okay,
if we weren't there, they would have to go to
somebody else who would feel that vacuum. Would it be Russia,
would it be China, would it be any other of
these kind of major powers. Is it strategically important to
the United States? Many people would say yes. Others say
that the cost associated with it is just too much.
(22:59):
But he was asking these kinds of questions, and he
wondered why we were kind of America first with NATO
and with these other kinds of conflict kind of areas,
but not with Israel. And these are the kinds of
questions he says. He was asking these Daily Wire staff,
and they didn't like these questions, according to him, and
(23:20):
you could kind of see that publicly it starts to
seep out. At one point they said to him, according
to him, that the kinds of questions that he was
asking about this aid to Israel. It sounded hateful and
anti Semitic, and so they started to go cold on him,
and at one point Cassie allegedly said that she they
(23:44):
weren't on the same movement, She didnt no longer wanted
to be friends with him. She was pro Israel, he
was obviously not, just by the mere fact of him
asking these questions, and she didn't want to be friends
with him anymore. It sounded pretty coordinated because shortly after that,
all of these guys you know, either blocked him on Twitter,
stopped responding to him, gaslighting him, They just cut him off.
Speaker 2 (24:07):
All of these people from the Daily Wire.
Speaker 1 (24:10):
Yes, and according to him, he was taken aback by that.
Apparently this is when he started to get ostracized by
the establishment conservatives. According to him, this Cassie person was
constantly calling the head of RSBN, sending him clips saying, oh,
you know, this is what Nick Fuentes is saying on
(24:31):
you guys's platform. He's a racist, he's this, he's that.
He got recorded a kind of saying something very colorful
in regards to mixed marriages, and that ended up getting leaked.
Eventually he had to issue an apology, and then at
some point RSBN just cut him off, ended his show
(24:55):
and that began his being expelled into the digital ghetto.
At one point, again I think it was on Christmas Eve,
he tweeted out something in this regard, stating something like,
if you're Mexico, first live in Mexico. If you're China,
first live in China. If you're Israel, first live in Israel.
(25:16):
Apparently Ben Shapiro and you could see this still online
quote tweeted that and said the following accusing any American
Jew who is pro Israel of being an Israel first
is a pure form of anti Semitism. So I think
you know, we've played this the clip on our show
quite some time ago about Ben Shapiro where he just
(25:39):
verbally said his support of the United States is contingent
on America's policy with Israel.
Speaker 2 (25:46):
Do you have if one day you'll have to flee
to the United States.
Speaker 7 (25:50):
I mean, I think that every Jew throughout world history
who has a brain and knows history has always wondered
if a country that is not a Jewish state is
going to eternally provide them security guarantees in full citizenship.
Speaker 1 (26:01):
Of course.
Speaker 7 (26:01):
I mean that's I think to think that that's why
the existence of the state of Israel's the single greatest
garanteur of my loyalty to the United States. Frankly, right,
because Israel exists, that means the United States is going
to be more welcoming place or may because Israel is
there is a backstop in case anything should go wrong.
Speaker 1 (26:17):
He was clearly taking the position that Israel was first
to him, and for him to say otherwise is just
a historical It's right there for the public to see.
So anyways, Nick Fuentes gets thrown into this digital ghetto.
And this is when I would say, what starts to
radicalize people? And you saw this with Candice to a
certain degree, you saw this with Nick Fuentes. I think
(26:40):
the more they do this to Tucker, it's going to
start to happen with him as well too. But what
happens is is you get thrown into this ghetto. And
when I say digital ghetto, you're not allowed on the
kind of mainstream media platforms. You aren't allowed growth within
the conservative media ecosystem. You are kind of in this desert,
(27:04):
so to speak. You don't have the ability to kind
of amplify your message through going on some of these
bigger platforms, you know, speaking to some of these big
platform audiences. So you have to start doing some things
that are not something that I would advise my son
or daughter to do. And you start to see Nick
(27:25):
Fuentis do this in this timeframe, starts to use words
that would get him canceled off of you know, most
platforms at that time, starts to take positions kind of
very big and bombastic and controversial positions, positions. I've seen
this multiple times within the kind of conservative media space,
and it's something that I think this has happened with
(27:45):
conservatives over the course of the last ten years, because
in general, it happens more in the conservative route because
so many conservatives have been pushed off of the mainstream
media in general. So in a sense, you're already thrown
into a digital ghetto, and then when you start speaking
outside of the authorized speak within the conservative movement, you're
(28:06):
pushed even into a deeper ghetto. So there's like gradients
of this digital ghetto there really are, you know, And
so he got thrown into the gradient of the gradient
we get we get thrown into the you know, the
AM radio. He gets thrown into like you know, Morse code.
So he gets thrown out into there and it becomes
(28:29):
this kind of radicalization machine that happens, and he starts
to kind of take these very bombastic positions. Vice Magazine
does some stories on him. He starts to kind of
be used as by the mainstream media as this kind
of like look at how bad the right is, and
they'll take these clips that he says, and it's similar.
(28:50):
If you guys have any and I don't think many
people have spent much time in these spaces, but like
the four chan space and Reddit and what have you.
I've had to go to a lot of these spaces
for research. I've had to go when we did that
he will not divide us a series or shoot me
an episode on Shilah buff and his you know, hiding
(29:11):
that stream of that flag that he did, and the
people that end up taking that down were on four
chan and we're on I think it was eight chan,
I think it was one another one and read it
and what have you. I've had to spend a lot
of time in those spaces and what they do and
the way they talk is not what you would see
in polite society, and a lot of times they will
(29:32):
do this to kick off normies.
Speaker 2 (29:35):
It's a filter mechanism.
Speaker 1 (29:37):
It's a way to get what they call normies off
of their stream. They will in one let me give
you a perfect example. They will post dead bodies and
grewsome dead bodies, and they'll do that ten or twenty
pictures in a row. Most normal people will see that
and like I'm out of here. And then after those
(29:58):
pictures is when they start their conversations or they'll throw
out the end word. The word. They'll just every like
a racial slur that you could possibly think to kind
of kick out people that they call the enormies. And
then they speak, you know, amongst themselves, this is what
happens in that culture. And if you are kind of
pushed to those digital ghettos, that is the speak that
(30:19):
you have to speak to kind of fit in with
those people. And I'm not making excuses or condoning Nickquentis's actions.
Like I said, if it was my daughter or my son,
I would say, you know, pick another line of work,
or figure something else out, or take a lot longer
to rise. You don't need to go down this path.
So he goes down this path, and he becomes pretty
(30:41):
radicalized in that regard, and there's plenty of clips out
there that could get you canceled from the mainstream media,
you know, any day of the week that he's that
he's said out there. But I think this is the
most charitable way to kind of view it. We've talked
about Nick quents over the years. Like I said, I
don't really like the guy. I think that there's certain
(31:02):
aspects of him that are interesting. He makes some very
valid arguments on certain things, and then there's other things
that he says that I feel like, you can't call
yourself a victim when you say the kinds of things
that he's been saying publicly for as long as he has. Okay,
So he continues his America First show, he starts gaining
some followers, and twenty nineteen comes along and he does
(31:26):
this thing called the Groper War. His followers, his audience
is called Groper's and I think it's connected to the
Pepe of the Frog kind of meme. Their kind of trollers,
and they target Charlie Kirk's tour at the time, Charlie
Kirk was going on this tour of colleges called the
Culture War. And what they would do is they do
(31:47):
these coordinated troll campaigns where they would go to these
events and they would ask questions that were kind of
hard for conservative of Charlie Kirk's ilk to respond to.
And what you start to see from Charlie Kirk, and
we've spoke about this kind of in the wake of
Charlie Kirk's assassination. He was the quintessential gatekeeper. And I'm
(32:11):
that is just a fact. He was the gatekeeper because
he had control of the largest conservative activist organization in America.
Who he invites to is events are the ones that
are invited into the conservative movement. If you are not
invited to those events, you are not part of the
conservative movement. It's just as simple as that. I don't
(32:36):
even mean it necessarily as a negative connotation right now
as I'm speaking about it. There are gatekeepers, and Charlie
Kirk was one of those gatekeepers. So I think that
that is something that Nick Fuentes kind of despised.
Speaker 2 (32:52):
And the kinds of questions that they would go to
these turning point events and asked would be questions about
let's say, gay conservatives or Israel's influence in America. So
questions like like that.
Speaker 1 (33:03):
Yes, And I think we should play a quick clip
of this because it kind of gives a good It
gives a good idea of how Charlie responded to this,
or why.
Speaker 8 (33:12):
Don't you have anybody dissenting from the right? Whenever we're
going to have more nationalists instead of just engagement with
the left. Now that the Biden administration has invaded our country,
when are we going to build a big tent with
nationalists like Jared Taylor and Nick Fuentes.
Speaker 6 (33:29):
Yeah, that's funny. Yeah, I don't align with jew haters. Sorry,
do you hate Jews? By the way, Like, what do
you think of Jewish people?
Speaker 2 (33:37):
No?
Speaker 8 (33:38):
I think they have a disproportionate influence in American politics.
Speaker 1 (33:41):
I want to play one other clip for you guys,
because this is where you kind of really see how
Charlie could be pretty hostile to being debated from the right.
Here's another clip.
Speaker 6 (33:54):
I want to ask a question of your what does
it mean to be an American? Is it an idea
or a history, a shared history, or or is it
a skin color?
Speaker 9 (34:04):
Well, I mean you could go back to the original
founding fathers, the Immigration Act of I believe it.
Speaker 6 (34:10):
Was, what does it mean to be an American? Is
it a skin color or something?
Speaker 1 (34:13):
Else.
Speaker 9 (34:15):
So there's the current idea of what it means according
to you know, the Heart Celler Immigration Act, and you
know all this boy that you guys view. But if
you go back to the original founding fathers, they intended
this to be a European nation for white men of
good stock in character.
Speaker 6 (34:32):
So can you show me let me answer the question,
can you show me where in the United States Constitution?
Speaker 9 (34:39):
It says that it wasn't in the constitution.
Speaker 6 (34:41):
It wasn't in a constitution because they didn't believe it.
Speaker 1 (34:46):
He's totally wrong there by the way, Charlie Kirk is
wrong in that assessment. Citizenship was handled by the states,
not by federal It didn't happen in the Constitution until
several years later. So citizenship was defined by the states.
He said, is that because it's not in the constitution.
That is not how the founders felt, And that is
(35:07):
what Charlie says. That's what Charlie said. He goes on,
are you and.
Speaker 6 (35:11):
Your ideology is not conservative? It is right wing identitarian,
has no place in the conservative movement. My friend along
ten ut along.
Speaker 2 (35:23):
Okay, so he's very very hot, very hot, curious.
Speaker 1 (35:28):
And it's funny because if you see him debate the left,
he doesn't respond that way. It's when he is responding
and debating the right is when he got that hot.
Speaker 2 (35:38):
In fairness, though, this clip is from the Culture War tour,
and this is when the Groygbers War attacking him and
it was clearly getting under his skin.
Speaker 1 (35:47):
Well, I don't know if you call it attacking. They're
asking him questions. He is known for debate. He's known
to go into these hostile leftist areas and debate people
about ideas. But when the right, when he would get
debated from the right, he would get very very hostile.
That's fair, okay, Now I agree with that. Now you
heard him state there that because it wasn't in the Constitution,
(36:11):
they didn't believe that.
Speaker 2 (36:12):
By the way, I just want to be clear, this
is not an attack on Charlie Kirk. We are just
laying out the facts and explaining to you how this
all came about exactly.
Speaker 1 (36:22):
So here he is responding to another question in regards
to proof that the United States was founded on Christian principles.
Speaker 5 (36:29):
Our country was fought on common law because the Declaration
only refers to God four times and the Constitution doesn't
refer to God at all, and it only articulates the
structure of government.
Speaker 6 (36:40):
So, first of all, remember that we were a collection
of states and colonies, and you need to read the
state constitutions or anything else. Thirteen or thirteen required a
declaration of faith. Nine or thirteen required him to be
a Protestant, except Maryland, which was Catholic, which still required
a declaration of faith. Every single one of the original
state constitutions Pennsylvania included they had I professed Lord in
(37:00):
Jesus Christ as my Lord and Savior in the original Constitution.
Speaker 1 (37:03):
So you get the idea there. So he's basically when
it was benefiting his argument, he would go to the Constitution,
and when it didn't benefit his argument, he would leave
the Constitution and go to the state constitutions. Ultimately, the
point I'm trying to make here is is that he
would get very hostile when he was debated from the right,
(37:26):
and I think that was the kind of thing that
infuriated people like Nick Quentis and like others that had
been were kind of pushed to this digital ghetto and
were being gate keeped out of the conversation. Now, in
Charlie's defense, he started to change on that. But this
is what was frustrating a lot of people like Nick
(37:49):
Fuentis at that time. This was the moment that I
think that this guy really rose into prominence, where these
debates that his gropers were having with Charlie Kirk called growth.
Speaker 2 (38:01):
Wars, were it was huge. Everybody in the conservative movement,
we all knew about it. We were all talking about it.
Speaker 1 (38:07):
Yes, it was very interesting to it to see. It
was very eye opening. Actually. For example, at one point
he was up there with Rob Smith, who's been on
our show before, and the Graper's were questioning him like,
how could you have a gay conservative up there with
you representing his gayness as part of the conservative movement.
And again Charlie got very hostile with this guy, and
(38:31):
at some point he got pressured into discussing why he
didn't debate Nick Quentis, And this is what he had
to say on that.
Speaker 4 (38:38):
Will you ever be willing to debate Nick Quinta's or
will you wait until his the movement forces you to
adopt his talking points as we've seen already.
Speaker 6 (38:44):
You know, it's funny. I personally do not give a
platform to bad faith actors, but you.
Speaker 8 (38:50):
Know, what.
Speaker 6 (38:51):
Honestly, I'm asked that question all the time. I don't
platform trolls, and I don't platform, and I don't discuss
people or don't debate with people that are not good
faith actors.
Speaker 1 (39:01):
So I think it really it's interesting here. And before
we move on to part two, I want to kind
of discuss this really quickly. Michelle Malkin, famed conservative activist,
saw what Nick Fuentes was doing and she spoke at
one of his events, and she kind of spoke out
on behalf of this kind of youthful America First movement,
(39:23):
and in particular kind of why can't we speak about
America's involvement with Israel. It's getting us involved in wars
out there, it's getting us involved in in issues with
these kind of Muslim countries, It's causing conflict. American boys
are dying out there because of these conflicts. This kid
(39:45):
and his followers are addressing this. I want to speak
to these kids. So Michelle Malklin went to one of
his conferences and spoke, and she got basically pushed out
of the conservative movement.
Speaker 2 (39:57):
It absolutely did. And by the way, interestingly, Michelle is
married to a Jewish man.
Speaker 1 (40:02):
You don't even see her anymore. She's not even involved
in activism anymore. We've reached out to her before we've
had her on the show. We wanted her to speak
out on various issues and be interviewed for a couple episodes,
and she declined. She said that, you know, she just
doesn't want to get involved with that stuff.
Speaker 2 (40:21):
She didn't want, she didn't want back in.
Speaker 1 (40:23):
She was one of the loudest and most effective voices
and conservative issues on immigration, and she was basically booted
by the Jewish faction within the conservative movement and it
was an unfortunate thing because she was a really, really
powerful voice.
Speaker 2 (40:41):
She really was one of my favorites.
Speaker 1 (40:43):
So how did this change? So he's basically out there
in this ghetto, this digital ghetto. He's got these gropers
kind of going to these Charlie Kirk events and trolling him,
but he's still on the fringes. How does that change? Well,
we'll get into that in part two. Join us over
there now,
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