December 21, 2025 • 44 mins
Why is Ben Shapiro attacking Tucker Carlson, Candace Owens, and Megyn Kelly? We did into the origin of the Shapiro-Carlson feud, and reveal a surprising conservative commentator whose moral clarity has given us hope.
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
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about the hip hop feud that's going on between on
one side, Ben Shapiro seems like he's kind of all
over there by himself against Candace Owens, Tucker Carlson, Megan Kelly,
the entire kind of anti Israel movement. I think that
Megan Kelly's starting to earn that label. I didn't think
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it was a fair conversation or a fair kind of
label before, but she's definitely starting to earn that label
in that she is not not condemn is not the
right word decency, make an argument for decency out there.
She refuses to do that with Candace Owens, and because
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of that, she's getting lumped in with this kind of
anti Israel group and it's her own doing. Right now,
she could easily speak up.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
I mean, I can understand not wanting to like condemn
your friend, but it's very simple.
Speaker 3 (02:08):
You can just say, you know what, I disagree with
what she's doing. I think it's important taste.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
I wouldn't do it myself, but to defend it is
kind of weird.
Speaker 4 (02:19):
You know.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
The thing is is that they weren't even friends, and
she's on record saying that a couple months ago, we
weren't friends. We're not close, and then she says, and
we'll get into that a little bit. Over the course
of the last couple months, I became closer with her
because people were telling me to condemn her. So you
became closer with her over the two months that she's
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been viciously attacking TPUSA Charlie Kirk and.
Speaker 3 (02:47):
His widow and the mother of his children.
Speaker 1 (02:49):
So where did this whole beef start to kick off.
The beef between Ben Shapiro and Tucker Carlson started a
few years ago, actually when Tucker the first time you
really see it publicly is when Tucker did an interview
on Ben Shapiro's Sunday podcast. I'm not sure if he's
still doing that. I'm not a you know, Avid Ben Shapiro,
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you know, viewer, but he was. He used to do
a Sunday podcast pretty regularly, and he would interview these
big names, and there was this kind of moment where
they had this kind of a very big gap in
regards to how do you deal with things like new
technology like automated driving automated truck drivers. And Tucker took
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this position that, you know, if I became president, I
would basically outlaw them, but I would, you know, take
some kind of a you know, politically a feasible or
politically palatable position on it in that, oh, you know
that the technology is not there, what have you. But
I would not like it because and I would and
I would push to ban it because I don't want
to basically wipe away all of those jobs of truck
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drivers out there.
Speaker 5 (03:59):
Technology and how it's shifting and taking away jobs from folks.
Make specific reference to truck driving in the fact that
there are going to be automated cars.
Speaker 2 (04:06):
On the roads.
Speaker 5 (04:06):
So would you, Tucker Carlson, be in favor of restrictions
on the ability of trucking companies to use this sort
of technology specifically to you know, sort of artificially maintain
the number of jobs that are available in the trucking industry.
Speaker 6 (04:19):
Show king in a second, in a second. In other words,
if I were a president, when I say to DOT
Department Transportation, we're not wedding driverless trucks on the road, period.
Why really simple? Driving for a living is the single
most common job for high school educated men in this
country in all fifty states. By the way, that's the
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same group whose wages have gone down by eleven percent
over the past thirty years. The social cost of eliminating
their jobs in a ten year span, five year span,
thirty year span is so high that it's not sustainable.
So the greater good is protecting your citizens from Look,
capitalism is the best economic system I can think of,
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I think that anyone's ever thought of. But that doesn't
mean that it's a religion and everything about it is good. No,
but there's no nicosine creative capitalism that I have to
buy into. What I care about is living in a
country where you know, decent people can live happy lives. Actually,
and so no, I would say, no, are you joking?
And I maybe would make up some pretext for public consumption, like, oh,
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they're dangerous, the technology is not quite finasic. No, but
the truth would be I don't want to put ten
million men out of work because you're going to have
ten million dead families and the cascading effect from that
will wreck your country.
Speaker 5 (05:35):
It's it's fascinating to me that you're so willing to
restrict technology in this particular area, not because it's not
a justifiable polity, not willing eager to get rilled. So
to that, what's the limiting principle? Because obviously jobs are
lost in industries through creative destruction and have been for
the entire time the free market has existed. I mean,
wheelrights lost their jobs when the automobile was created. What's
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to prevent this principle that you're speaking up from just
becoming ludighted that technology is destroying jobs. I don't think
it's prey technology is insane.
Speaker 6 (06:07):
I mean, there were massive costs to the industrial.
Speaker 1 (06:09):
Evolution, and so there was this kind of argument that
they had that stemmed there, and it just started to
grow and grow and grow, where you started to see
Tucker take a much more populous approach to the world
rather than kind of maybe your classical conservative approach. And
I thought that, you know, at the time, I would say,
and I still think this. There was a lot of
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these kind of neo conservatives that were kind of very
staunchly for these kind of forever wars in the Middle
East and these foreign aid packages out into the Middle East,
and and I am still against those things. I don't
want our boys in any more wars in the Middle East.
If people want to fight their wars out there, go
ahead and do that. If Israel wants to handle their
you know, business out there, that should be up to them.
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We shouldn't be getting putting our toes and our fingers
into all that. Unfortunately, we give these people money, we
give these people weapons, and so we are kind of
in one way or another involved in those actions. But
that but that fight, that feud started around that time,
and this was god, this was years ago. Now I
want to say it was like seven years ago or
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something like that. Fast forward. Now, you know, this is
it's been pretty evolved, and it's been pretty we thought
that it was going to be, you know a little
bit softened after the Charlie Kirk assassination. I think they
even had a Dayton for a minute where you had
Tucker Carlson and Ben Shapiro reach out to each other
and they said, hey, let's kind of put down our swords.
And that went away really quickly. And it went away
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because Candace Owens started this bogus, retarded investigation that she
started for you know, looking for the killer of Charlie Kirk.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
Oh my god, I can I can hear her cue
tards coming at us now, all her conspiracy queue tards
are coming for us right now.
Speaker 3 (07:55):
Trust me.
Speaker 1 (07:56):
What started this? What brought Candace Owens and Erica Kirk
together that kind of you know, led into all this
kind of bled out to the Ben Shapiro's of the world. Well,
Candace Owens had a very bold tweet that she put
out and it basically said, I received information last night
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that put the final pieces together for me. I now
can say with full confidence that I believe Charlie Kirk
was betrayed by the leadership of Turning Point USA and
some of the very people who eulogized him on stage. Yes,
I will be naming names and providing evidence for my claims.
And I am making a personal plea to every well
meaning person who donated to this god forsaken organization to
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request a refund. You were lied to and leadership new
pretty big statement. So now she's blamed some be cult.
She blamed.
Speaker 6 (08:55):
Israel.
Speaker 1 (08:56):
At first, she blamed Josh Hammer for having pre knowledge
of Charlie Kirk's death. She blamed and it went on
to France and Brigitte and and the Macrons basically killed
Charlie Kirk to so that she would divert her investigation
away from Brigitte's being a man. She's blamed people in
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maroon shirts. She said that there was another shooter in
the audience at one point. You know, there's there's some
tunnel there that somehow, maybe someone came up and killed
him from I mean, the list goes on and on
and on of all the people. Now she's starting to
bring Ben Shapiro into it and saying, oh, why are
you so invested in Charlie Kirk's murder. Maybe you know
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you're I now think Israel has something to do with it.
So she's been all over the place on this. But
it was this tweet on December second that set off
this this big feud between TPUSA where they started to
finally come out and say something. And we actually made
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this prediction a couple weeks ago, or made this theorization
a couple of weeks ago in that we said, this
is the reason why they've decided to finally speak out
against Candace.
Speaker 2 (10:15):
Yeah, she went for the wallet. That's what I do
to you when I'm truly mad at you. I don't
yell at you, don't, I don't make a stink. I
just go handbag boop boom, I hit that send button. Yes,
I will purchase it.
Speaker 3 (10:28):
Right in the wallet. And that's what gets a response.
Am I right?
Speaker 1 (10:31):
You hit people in the wallet and they pay attention. Second,
and I'm going to cut off that credit card soon.
So yes, that is what happened. And we said this,
We said this a couple of weeks ago. We said
that was the breaking point for TPUSA. And how do
we know that we're right on that? Well, Candace came out,
you know, from this meeting that she had with Erica Kirk,
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and this is how she started off her kind of
promotion for her next show. After Erica Kirk's meeting.
Speaker 4 (11:01):
Four and a half hours later, I'm I'm alife. I'm
totally fine, and I am sorry. I was going to
do a show for you guys this evening, but I
am truly exhausted. Very productive conversation. I asked every single question,
I mean, from the Egyptian planes to Turning Point USA faith,
and I was very surprised by some of the answers
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that I got, and I think they were also very
surprised when I shared certain intel.
Speaker 1 (11:27):
Yeah, no, they weren't anyways. So she says there that
she's alive, very subtle. He didn't kill me.
Speaker 3 (11:34):
He killed me like they killed him.
Speaker 1 (11:35):
Exactly exactly, and so this is what she's a master at.
So they go on from there. She goes on from there,
and this is how we know that our theory in
regards to this, this moment that finally had TPUSA speaking
out against Candace is in her follow up show to
this interview, and this is what Candace had to say.
Speaker 4 (11:54):
In the realm. It was just Justine Strife and Erica
George joined me just for the beginning portion of the
conversation because he had that thing going on that I
told you on the fifteenth. All day he was in
a conference.
Speaker 3 (12:05):
There was a lot.
Speaker 4 (12:06):
There's a lot going on, okay. And the conversation started
with Justine Strife very sensibly saying, what are we looking
to accomplish here? Like, what is the actual aim of
this conversation? And he was pretty clear and eric was
very clear that they were sort of most upset with
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what I obviously a bit of a fever pitch when
I tweeted that it was a god forsaking company and
people should not give money to it, and I have
to own that that's aggressive, that is actually aggressive. In
the retrospect, I was very frustrated, and I don't know,
I just I felt like weren't getting any answers and
there were so many lies, and then I was getting
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attacked for asking all meaningful questions that was within their
capacity to answer. And I've told you I definitely my
problem in life is that I can rise to anger
very quickly.
Speaker 1 (12:59):
So you get the idea there, this is something that
I don't seen many people talking about I saw Viva
Fry talk about this. I saw a couple other people
talk about, well, maybe this has to do with, you know,
a defamation lawsuit, and that's why they had the lawyers
in the room. I think what this had to do
with was this tweet that she put out. She says
there very specifically, the most important thing to them was
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this tweet that I put out about basically that this
is a god forsaken organization and for people to request
a refund and that action of her doing that. We
faced this once. I don't know if you remember this,
Agriana years ago, when we had an advertising business and
we had a competitor of ours that had the same
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client contact our client and bad mouth us. I think
they were saying, oh, they work from home, you know,
their office is from home, or something along those lines.
And that is a very specific action. It's called tortious interference.
And I didn't know what that term was back then.
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This is probably what two thousand and six or something
like that. I knew that these guys are okay a
long time ago. I knew that what they were trying
to do was basically defame us with our client and
trying to basically get in the way of our contracts
with our client. And so I called my lawyer, and
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our lawyer basically said, yeah, what they're doing is this tortious,
tortious interference. And so we wrote a letter to them
and they immediately back down and they immediately stopped. And
that is because you can get sued for that.
Speaker 3 (14:42):
It's basically their ability to make money.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
If you come in between a company and their client,
then you can be sued for that, especially if you're
doing it in a defamation way. And so you know
a perfect example of that is the Gibson Bakery case
in Oberlin. If you guys were remember this, it was
a couple years ago where you basically had these black
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students from Oberlin come into this bakery, they stole some stuff,
the bakery called the cops on them, got them arrested.
Then you know, these students, along with some staff from Oberlin,
ended up protesting the bakery. They ended up saying this
bakery was racist. They took that approach, and the bakery
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sued Oberlin College. I want to say they got something
like forty million dollars in the settlement.
Speaker 3 (15:35):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (15:35):
And then I think there was a cap in that
area in that state to twenty five million plus something
like maybe six million dollars for legal fees or something
like that, big case, tens of millions of dollars. And
it's very kind of established law. And so here she
is going on Twitter basically saying, you know, these people
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were involved in Charlie Kirk's assassination. Do not give them
money and ask for a refund. It's pretty straightforward, much
more egregious than what you know, our competitor was doing
with our client back in the day. And I think
her going on the air and addressing that and saying, ah,
you know, I've kind of I kind of went overboard there.
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That was a little bit aggressive. That was her way
of backing, of backpedaling on that from a legal perspective.
You know, I'm going to correct that publicly, and so
that's kind of how things went from there. So she
went on and at first she just she'd started to
backpedal a little bit, and you start to see her
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audience rip her apart. And it's happening live because you're
getting live streamers and you're getting super chats on YouTube
where people are paying so that their message pops up
over here on the side, and they're calling her basically
that she bent the knee and that she basically the
only reason why there's closed rooms is because deals are
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being made. She wanted to they wanted it to be public.
And this is the problem paid one hundred and this
is the problem when you basically appeal to and corral
a retarded audience, they're at some point they're going to
turn on you. And that's what happened there. And I
thought Cernovich put it best when he said, cultivating a
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low IQ, unsophisticated audience that's addicted to drama is a
lot like getting fat. It's a lot of fun to
get fat. You can eat what you want. Eventually you
have to pay the piper, and a low IQ audience
goes feral. Better to keep them at an arm's length
from jump. I think that that was really well put
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by Cernovich, and I think what happens and what we're
seeing here with Candice Owans, with Megan Kelly, with Tucker
Carlson is they are captured by their audience. Right now,
Megan Kelly probably has a lot of crossover. There's probably
a lot of people that watch, especially all these mommy
sleuths that watch Candace Owens that also watch Megan Kelly,
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and I think that's why you are seeing her kind
of not go at Candace the way that you would
expect her, the way she's gone at Megan Markle in
the past, the way that she's gone at the Cardi
B's of the world, and you know, the AOC's of
the world for the you know, the the minorists of
infractions are going at Beyonce for something. So her mob,
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her crowd goes crazy on her. So then now she
has to start feeding the beast. And what does she do?
She has on this guy. His name is Mitch snow.
He basically claims that he saw Erica Kirk on a
military base with some of Charlie Kirk's security detail the
day before or the days before uh this assassination, basically
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suggesting that Erica Kirk had something to do along with
Charlie Kirk's security detail of in this assassination. And you
have He basically is asked by Candice, how sure are
you that this was Erica Kirk.
Speaker 7 (19:11):
There's a picture of Erica Kirk with a ponytail, and
from from her past, that person matches who I saw
at fort Wa Chuka in the lobby the night before,
and she was with that with that man in the lobby,
and that man he was president at that meeting the
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next morning.
Speaker 4 (19:35):
So you had to put it at a percentage that
you saw that the girl in the ponytail matches the
description of Erica Kirk.
Speaker 1 (19:44):
What percentage would you put that at?
Speaker 7 (19:47):
Those are really rare eyes.
Speaker 1 (19:52):
That's ninety he said, ninety ninety nine percent. And that
is a pretty bold statement to make.
Speaker 3 (20:00):
That's pretty you're pretty sure.
Speaker 1 (20:02):
Well, what the fascinating thing is is you had some
of these guys that were simps for Candace her hardest,
Like every time she puts something out on a podcast,
they're putting out this, Oh, Candace destroys this, or Candace
come up with the receipts. You have some of those
people coming forward now and saying, Ah, this Mitch Snow guy,
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isn't that credible? And they pull up that he basically
allegedly has several domestic violence cases against him, he's a
wife beater, and he doesn't have the credibility that he
said he had. He basically said some things about his
career that aren't matching up with reality. And so this
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is her MO is that Okay, I'm just gonna have
this person on and let them spew what they are
going to spew about Erica and go straight at Erica
Kirk now suggesting that she was intimately involved in the
assassination of Charlie Kirk, her husband. And so this whole
idea that she wasn't doing that, it was wiped away,
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you know, months ago, But now it's just as clear
as you could possibly be.
Speaker 2 (21:11):
You know what, I do want to make one thing
clear to the audience, because we've had a lot of
people come at us and say.
Speaker 3 (21:15):
Oh, well, you know, you got to watch Candace's show.
You're you're obviously not watching. We've seen it.
Speaker 2 (21:19):
Guys, we're watching. We're not just you know, given commentary.
We are watching. So let's just be clear about that.
Speaker 1 (21:27):
So I want to play for you guys this moment
that I thought was very telling. And this is from
Jeremy Boring.
Speaker 3 (21:37):
He my, God, is he still around?
Speaker 2 (21:39):
He is?
Speaker 1 (21:40):
This was from This was from the town hall the
day that Candice Owns was fired from TPUs or fired
from the Daily Wire, And somehow Stephen Crowder got a
hold of this town hall that he had this internal
town hall and he said something very interesting. He said
that he goes through and he lays out to the crowd,
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to his employees why Daily Weyer has decided to let
go of Candice Owans. And he goes through it pretty methodically,
just kind of spelling it out moment by moment, month
by month where this started to go wrong. And he
comes to one point where he says to her, what
is it that you kind of stand for? Like, you know,
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what is it that you stand for? And this was
her response, I don't plan to know what Candas actually believes.
Speaker 5 (22:30):
When I've asked her directly what she believes, She's told
me quote.
Speaker 1 (22:33):
I believe what the people believe. I am the voice
of the people. That is a pretty interesting statement there.
I believe what the people believe. So, in other words,
if she sees the mob going certain direction, she's going
to go in the direction of the mob, rather than
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be the shepherd or be a leader and say no,
this is actually what is true. No, she's decided that
she is going to go in the direction wherever the
mob goes and feed them and be their voice. Doesn't
matter if these people are going at Erica Kirk, the
widow of Charlie Kirk. And the reason why that is
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so troubling is very obvious because you're not following the truth.
What you're doing is following the crowd. And what we're
seeing with most of Candace's crowd, it's the same people
that believed in Q. It's the same people that were
heavily involved in that movement. You know who you guys are.
You know that you guys are into the Q thing.
Speaker 2 (23:37):
It was you like to call you the Q tards. Sorry, guys,
I say that with love.
Speaker 1 (23:42):
There was a time where a lot of people were
kind of caught up in that whole Q thing.
Speaker 3 (23:48):
Yeah, but then most people, most saying people came out.
Speaker 1 (23:50):
And it was there was a point where okay, now
they're clones. And by the way, some of Candace's audience
were calling her a clone. They said that she was
cloned after Erica Kirk came through. Okay, that's how you
know it's a Q crowd. Okay, So she starts to
feed them, you know, red meat. After they start to
come at her, she starts to blame Israel again. Now
she gets back on message. That's what they all want.
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They didn't like the whole going to the French thing.
They liked the Israel thing because this is who these
people are. They all have this vehement disgust and hate
for Israel and she's been kind of the voice of
those people and she's just going where the crowd is.
That is very very telling, and it keeps very and
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it's very dangerous. So and I think it's that people
don't really I think what they're they're kind of forgetting
where this woman came from.
Speaker 3 (24:44):
Oh they don't know. I don't know. I don't think
that they've taken the time to actually find out.
Speaker 1 (24:49):
You know, there's this part of Candice that a lot
of people aren't very aware of.
Speaker 3 (24:52):
And she was a video ho Okay, that's that's what
we're gonna tell you, guys.
Speaker 1 (24:58):
Video You see that in these videos that are out there,
you see being a video you know, vixen or whatever
you want to call it. Back in the day, we
called them video hose. But they were the girls that
kind of danced with the rapper. And you see her
in these old videos. It was always about fame. She
was also trying to be a model at one point.
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And I mean a lot of people say Candice is beautiful.
I mean, come on, I don't see that.
Speaker 3 (25:25):
I don't think she's ugly. I think she's cute.
Speaker 1 (25:27):
Well, she's pretty.
Speaker 3 (25:28):
She's cleaned up very well. She's cleaned up very well.
And I know a lot of people.
Speaker 2 (25:32):
Were upset last week because I said that she looked
like a minion and I said that because she did
it was a bad outfit. But I think that she's
cute and I think she's cleaned up really well.
Speaker 3 (25:41):
I do.
Speaker 1 (25:42):
I don't agree with you, but whatever I think at
the end of the day. She's had has this past
of wanting to be famous, and you see that so
often with some of these people that come into the
conservative world. When she first came in, she was sharp, articulate,
she had a very specific message. She was trying to
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get black people to come over to the conservative movement,
and so many of us welcomed her. We didn't know
much about her past. She had kind of like this
thing where she did with Social Autopsy, there was a
doxing site. We all kind of took her word for
it that it was just something that I was doing
when I was a liberal, and we kind of like, okay,
but you don't know this person until they really are
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around for a while, and you're starting to see that
kind of obviously seeing that shift the second that she
leaves the Daily Wire and people are like, oh, you know,
why are you guys talking so much about Candice Owans.
It's all she's basically completely consuming conservative media right now.
She's going at everybody and blaming all these separate, huge
figures within conservative media of being involved in the assassination
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of Charlie Kirk. How do we not say something about this?
And when she comes out with these accusations, how do
we not address these? It's just as simple as that.
And the fascinating thing about it is, and I've been
seeing this now for a while. I think that she
is being amplified on these social media platforms, whether it
be YouTube, whether it be Twitter, because she is creating
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discord within the conservative movement. I mean, think about what
people were getting banned for just a year or two ago,
and how quickly they would be getting banned. She is
not getting banned from YouTube for some of the most
craziest accusations that you can make going at people. I mean,
imagine for a second, and we do this a lot.
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People in media Oh, imagine if you know this, what
about is and what about if the liberals did this?
This is very very eye opening. What if Rachel mad
Out on MSNBC was accusing Erica Kirk of being associated
or somehow being complicit in the assassination of Charlie Kirk.
How do you think people would respond to that? People
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would be going nuts. They would be going we would
be It would be in the conservative news cycle for
weeks and weeks and months and months. Imagine Rachel Maddow
going on MSNBC, who by the way, probably has less
viewership than Candice Owens, going and constantly every show, every
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episode that you're going out, devoting entire episodes for twenty
thirty episodes going at TPUSA and Erica Kirk for the
assassination of Charlie Kirk. How would conservative media respond to that?
We would be going nuts. Everybody would be speaking about it,
including Tucker Carlson. You'd have Megan Kelly talking about this constantly.
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She would probably lead protests at MSNBC for them doing that,
But now she's silent, completely crickets on it. I take
that back. She has recently addressed this, and we're going
to get to that right after the break, you're listening
to to America's fan boogie, and we are talking about
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the kind of moral clarity that we should be seeing
on the right and the conservative media that has been
very much lacking, and in particular with Megan Kelly. So
Megan Kelly has not been responding about this whole. Candace
Owens attacking TPUSA and Erica Kirk for months, and there
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was a point a couple of months ago, I believe
in the beginning of October, she made this claim that
she didn't really even know Candace and they weren't that close.
She didn't know her. And fast forward a couple of
months and now everybody's wondering, like, why aren't you speaking
up on this? Why aren't you talking about this? People
need to be speaking out about Candace Owens right now
(29:51):
because she's ripping apart the conservative movement at the seams.
And she finally came forward to say something recently. And
what did she do. She told her audience to f.
Speaker 8 (30:03):
With things ratcheting up between Erica and Candace last week,
many people had been asking me, why aren't you saying anything?
Obviously I love Erica Kirk, I do I love her,
and I feel, as I said on the tour, protective
of her because she's in an extremely vulnerable state right now. Yes,
she's taken on the CEO position of turning Point, and
(30:27):
you know, it's a fair question to ask whether that's
a job she can do right now while she's at
the height of her grieving. That's I take no position
on that. I think she's doing fine, but I also
think it's fair you can ask that, so don't. I
don't like to see her get attacked at all, and
I wish that would stop, and I, to be honest,
(30:48):
I wish Candace wouldn't be pursuing the turning Point narrative
at all, never mind Erica. Though again she hasn't graduated
to blaming Erica for Charlie's murder. She's criticizing her and
the media tour wrong.
Speaker 1 (31:04):
Wrong, Yes she has, She very clearly has on multiple occasions.
Your researchers have failed you, Megan Kelly, You're completely off
on that. You are you're basically gas lighting your audience.
She goes on, that's.
Speaker 8 (31:19):
That is fair game, that piece of it is fair game.
So in an event, Candace knows I disagree with her
on this petty Internet people want to turn that into
a catfight between Candace and yours truly, which will fail.
She and I actually have only gotten closer over the
past couple of months as people try to make me
attack her, So fuck off. Okay, I have no obligation
(31:42):
to you to hate the people you hate or try
to bring down the people you want brought down.
Speaker 1 (31:46):
Okay, so you heard her there. Think about that for
a second. This woman, Candace Owens, has been going at
Erica Kirk and TPUSA day in, day out for months,
Yet over that timeframe, Megan Kelly and Candace Owens have
gotten closer. How does that possible? How can you possibly
(32:09):
say that you love Erica Kirk and you loved Charlie
Kirk and that get closer to the person that is
trying to destroy TPUSA. And it's not like she buys
into Candace Owens' theories, because she's said multiple times I
think Tyler Robinson did this, and nothing has swayed me
away from that. He is the killer. So it's not
(32:31):
even like she is you know, Oh, maybe there's something
here with what Candace Owens has to say. No, she
is basically completely captured by her audience. She is one
of the weakest people that I have ever seen reach
to the height of conservative media. It's it's it's been
shocking to me. And she's telling us a bit much.
Speaker 3 (32:52):
She's one of the weakest people you've ever seen.
Speaker 1 (32:54):
Oh, she totally is. Think about this. She goes like
she put she licks her finger and she puts her
her finger into the wind. From the very beginning when
she first went at uh, when at Trump.
Speaker 3 (33:05):
It was very makes her I think that makes her dishonest.
Speaker 1 (33:08):
No, what she is is is she goes with the crowd.
Speaker 3 (33:11):
She thought she's an opportunist.
Speaker 1 (33:13):
She thought that the Trump didn't have a chance, and
she was going to use this opportunity to kind of
make a name for herself. Fox News was had decided
that they were going to go at Trump, and so
she went at him from a feminist point of view.
She went at Trump from the very beginning. She went
at him constantly. She brought on that Michelle Fields with
(33:34):
that bogus, you know, campaign assaults case that she had
or or you know, an event that she had. The
video showed clearly that she wasn't assaulted, and she went
with that and with all the never trumpers for months
and months and months, and then when she had and
so she was conservative for years on Fox News. Then
(33:55):
when she had the opportunity to go on to n
NBC and take the big check, what does she do.
She goes right over onto NBC. She's going to the
met Gala events. She's praising trans kids.
Speaker 8 (34:08):
Well, the people with me on stage right now are
all transgender kids who want others to know it is
possible to transition socially with love and support and acceptance
within a family and a community.
Speaker 1 (34:19):
Praising trans kids for their bravery. Okay. So then when
that thing falls apart, when she says something about blackface
and they decide they don't want Megan Kelly here, she
gets fired. Now, all of a sudden, she becomes a
conservative again. I have never seen somebody in conservative media
go from conservative to liberal then back to conservative again.
(34:42):
That doesn't happen now at this age that one. We're
this old. Okay, she will go wherever the crowds go. Period.
She is one of the weakest people that I've ever
seen reach that height. You won't shake me from that.
And I know and you know that if you had
Rachel Maddow going at Candace going at Erica Kirk for months,
(35:08):
for months. Can you imagine what conservative media would be doing.
Think about that. It's unimaginable. It's unimaginable with somebody, even
a single figure from MSNBC would be going at Erica
Kirk for as long and as hard at going at
TPUSA for as long as as hard as Candace Owens
has and Megan Kelly still didn't have the stones to
(35:29):
stand up to her because she doesn't want to alienate
the people that are watching her, that are also watching
Candace Owens. This was the litmus test. This Erica Kirk
moment was the litmus test, and she failed, and she
failed miserably. But there is one person that had the
(35:50):
stones to come forward and finally tell Candace Owens to stop,
and that was her friend, her old friend at the
Daily Wire, Matt Walsh. I want to give it to
Matt Walsh because he did something that both Tucker Carl's
and Making Kelly did not have the stones to do.
He called out Candace directly, and he did it in
a way he showed that you don't have to condemn
(36:13):
or go after your friend in a way that makes
it look like you're throwing them under the bus. He
did it in the most classy way that you can
do it. This is Matt Walsh directly addressing Candace Owens
and her attacks on Erica Kirk.
Speaker 9 (36:27):
And it was clear to me then and has become
all the more clear to me since, as I've gotten
a knower more that this is somebody with an immense
amount of strength and courage.
Speaker 1 (36:36):
He's talking about Erica Kirk.
Speaker 9 (36:37):
So when people look at Erica and say she's acting strange,
I've never seen a grieving person act this way. Well,
I agree, She's an exceptional person in an extraordinary situation,
handling it with remarkable poise and dignity. That is a virtue,
and virtue is a strange thing in our day. And
(37:01):
even if she were not an impress of person, she
would still be a grieving widow. She would still be
my friend's wife, and I would still feel duty bound
to support her as I have over these past three months,
in ways both public and not so. What I am
asking everybody, including Canvas, is to please leave this woman alone,
(37:27):
let her grieve, let her pick up the pieces of
her shattered life in whatever way she sees fit. She
deserves that grace, and we owe it to her, not
because of any specific debt, not because we have no
right to question her. Of course we do have the right,
but we have a moral obligation as children of our
(37:48):
heavenly father, to be charitable and kind towards suffering widows,
especially the widow of a man that all of us
on the right say that we respected and admired.
Speaker 1 (38:00):
That was very well done. I got to give it
to him, and it even got me a little bit
choked up hearing him say that, and I think he
handled it like a champ. He has definitely showed the
moral character and the moral clarity that you would hope
for somebody in his position, and I gotta give it
to him. Matt Walsh has been definitely somebody that I
(38:25):
think handles himself in these kinds of situations. He handled
that like a champ. He showed you don't have to
go at Candice and throw her under the bus to
do the right thing, to tell her that what she
is doing is morally reprehensible and to stop that. We
should be giving some grace to a widow. I mean,
(38:46):
it's just shock. It's so obvious to me isn't it
obvious to all of you. I mean, you have people
that are going at Erica Kirk. They literally have Charlie
Kirk in their avatar and on their banner on these
social media sites. That's how lost these people are, That's
how little they trust in the institutions. And somebody like
(39:08):
Candace Owens is taking advantage of that mistrust and she's
feeding her narcissism in a way that we all should
have seen, probably a lot sooner, but it's there now.
It's very clear to see. The second that she left
the Daily Wire in twenty twenty four, it's been on
full display. It's why Charlie Kirk distanced himself from her,
(39:29):
It's why he no longer had her at his events,
It's why he put her at arm's length and then
stayed quiet because he knew what she was capable of
and didn't denounce her publicly. But Matt Walsh showed a
kind of leadership that you didn't see from Tucker Carlson,
who's been in this game a lot longer than Matt Walsh,
(39:52):
and I want to give it to him for that,
because you need to call out, we need to call
out our side. We get a lot of flack. Oh,
you guys are always going after conservatives. This is why,
because you don't want this to happen what we're seeing
right now, where you let these you let these figures
get captured by their audience instead of being shepherds and
(40:14):
being the people that are in the know and that
are seeing and watching this stuff every single day, and
then you imbue that you transfer that information to the public.
That is the responsibility of everybody that has a microphone
in front of their face and the fact that they
decided to not do that. I'm telling you, I'm close
(40:38):
to jumping off the Tucker train forever. Megan, goodbye. I'm
done with you. I don't need to see you anymore.
I don't need to see any of your clips or
any of your videos. I'm not going to pay attention
to anything that you have to say. Unless you start
going at people again like way Candae is, then I'll
go at you then. But as far as ever trusting you,
you missed out on that you told your audience to
(40:59):
f off of the people that are basically asking you
to have some decency. I'm done with those people. And
the reason why we need to go at and call
these people out. Is because what happened now with the
FBI and you see Dan Bongino stepping down from the FBI,
Why is he stepping down? I'm sure fast, it was
less than a year. That was fast, and because you
(41:20):
know why, we can't have any nice things, because all
we're doing is going at the people that are that
have basically given up their careers to go and serve
this White House. Dan Bongino gave up his very lucrative
career to go and work at the White House, and
what has he been what has he got in return
(41:41):
for that? Constantly being said that he's sold out. Now
he's gotten accused of being involved in Charlie Kirk's murder,
He's basically decided, you know what, I need to go
back out there onto the media and get my show
back so I can fight back on this. I'm sure
that's the reason why he did this. When you see
somebody like Charlie Kirk assassinated, and then at the very
(42:03):
end you see the people that are so called his
best friends going at his widow, somebody that is in
the media game, you start to say, why in the
hell am I doing this? What are we doing here.
Why am I wasting my time making money this way
when I could I'm smart, I could make money in
(42:24):
other ways. If I am going to put my widow
in the line of fire by the audience that claims
that they support me. And you have to be an
imbecile to think that Charlie Kirk was brilliant on one
hand and stupid enough to have all of his murderers
around him as his best friend and his inside people.
(42:47):
You have to be a complete imbecile to think that
Dan Bongino and Cash Batal and Donald Trump and Erica
Kirk had something to do with Charlie Kirk's death. And
so this is why we speak out about conservative media
because we have to because if we don't, you have
people like this and the moments like this that start
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to happen. We don't do it enough, and we end
up losing people like Dan Bongino in the positions that
in the position that he was in, and before you
know it, the left is going to take over again.
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(01:12):
about the hip hop feud that's going on between on
one side, Ben Shapiro seems like he's kind of all
over there by himself against Candace Owens, Tucker Carlson, Megan Kelly,
the entire kind of anti Israel movement. I think that
Megan Kelly's starting to earn that label. I didn't think
(01:34):
it was a fair conversation or a fair kind of
label before, but she's definitely starting to earn that label
in that she is not not condemn is not the
right word decency, make an argument for decency out there.
She refuses to do that with Candace Owens, and because
(01:55):
of that, she's getting lumped in with this kind of
anti Israel group and it's her own doing. Right now,
she could easily speak up.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
I mean, I can understand not wanting to like condemn
your friend, but it's very simple.
Speaker 3 (02:08):
You can just say, you know what, I disagree with
what she's doing. I think it's important taste.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
I wouldn't do it myself, but to defend it is
kind of weird.
Speaker 4 (02:19):
You know.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
The thing is is that they weren't even friends, and
she's on record saying that a couple months ago, we
weren't friends. We're not close, and then she says, and
we'll get into that a little bit. Over the course
of the last couple months, I became closer with her
because people were telling me to condemn her. So you
became closer with her over the two months that she's
(02:41):
been viciously attacking TPUSA Charlie Kirk and.
Speaker 3 (02:47):
His widow and the mother of his children.
Speaker 1 (02:49):
So where did this whole beef start to kick off.
The beef between Ben Shapiro and Tucker Carlson started a
few years ago, actually when Tucker the first time you
really see it publicly is when Tucker did an interview
on Ben Shapiro's Sunday podcast. I'm not sure if he's
still doing that. I'm not a you know, Avid Ben Shapiro,
(03:12):
you know, viewer, but he was. He used to do
a Sunday podcast pretty regularly, and he would interview these
big names, and there was this kind of moment where
they had this kind of a very big gap in
regards to how do you deal with things like new
technology like automated driving automated truck drivers. And Tucker took
(03:35):
this position that, you know, if I became president, I
would basically outlaw them, but I would, you know, take
some kind of a you know, politically a feasible or
politically palatable position on it in that, oh, you know
that the technology is not there, what have you. But
I would not like it because and I would and
I would push to ban it because I don't want
to basically wipe away all of those jobs of truck
(03:58):
drivers out there.
Speaker 5 (03:59):
Technology and how it's shifting and taking away jobs from folks.
Make specific reference to truck driving in the fact that
there are going to be automated cars.
Speaker 2 (04:06):
On the roads.
Speaker 5 (04:06):
So would you, Tucker Carlson, be in favor of restrictions
on the ability of trucking companies to use this sort
of technology specifically to you know, sort of artificially maintain
the number of jobs that are available in the trucking industry.
Speaker 6 (04:19):
Show king in a second, in a second. In other words,
if I were a president, when I say to DOT
Department Transportation, we're not wedding driverless trucks on the road, period.
Why really simple? Driving for a living is the single
most common job for high school educated men in this
country in all fifty states. By the way, that's the
(04:39):
same group whose wages have gone down by eleven percent
over the past thirty years. The social cost of eliminating
their jobs in a ten year span, five year span,
thirty year span is so high that it's not sustainable.
So the greater good is protecting your citizens from Look,
capitalism is the best economic system I can think of,
(05:02):
I think that anyone's ever thought of. But that doesn't
mean that it's a religion and everything about it is good. No,
but there's no nicosine creative capitalism that I have to
buy into. What I care about is living in a
country where you know, decent people can live happy lives. Actually,
and so no, I would say, no, are you joking?
And I maybe would make up some pretext for public consumption, like, oh,
(05:22):
they're dangerous, the technology is not quite finasic. No, but
the truth would be I don't want to put ten
million men out of work because you're going to have
ten million dead families and the cascading effect from that
will wreck your country.
Speaker 5 (05:35):
It's it's fascinating to me that you're so willing to
restrict technology in this particular area, not because it's not
a justifiable polity, not willing eager to get rilled. So
to that, what's the limiting principle? Because obviously jobs are
lost in industries through creative destruction and have been for
the entire time the free market has existed. I mean,
wheelrights lost their jobs when the automobile was created. What's
(05:58):
to prevent this principle that you're speaking up from just
becoming ludighted that technology is destroying jobs. I don't think
it's prey technology is insane.
Speaker 6 (06:07):
I mean, there were massive costs to the industrial.
Speaker 1 (06:09):
Evolution, and so there was this kind of argument that
they had that stemmed there, and it just started to
grow and grow and grow, where you started to see
Tucker take a much more populous approach to the world
rather than kind of maybe your classical conservative approach. And
I thought that, you know, at the time, I would say,
and I still think this. There was a lot of
(06:31):
these kind of neo conservatives that were kind of very
staunchly for these kind of forever wars in the Middle
East and these foreign aid packages out into the Middle East,
and and I am still against those things. I don't
want our boys in any more wars in the Middle East.
If people want to fight their wars out there, go
ahead and do that. If Israel wants to handle their
you know, business out there, that should be up to them.
(06:53):
We shouldn't be getting putting our toes and our fingers
into all that. Unfortunately, we give these people money, we
give these people weapons, and so we are kind of
in one way or another involved in those actions. But
that but that fight, that feud started around that time,
and this was god, this was years ago. Now I
want to say it was like seven years ago or
(07:15):
something like that. Fast forward. Now, you know, this is
it's been pretty evolved, and it's been pretty we thought
that it was going to be, you know a little
bit softened after the Charlie Kirk assassination. I think they
even had a Dayton for a minute where you had
Tucker Carlson and Ben Shapiro reach out to each other
and they said, hey, let's kind of put down our swords.
And that went away really quickly. And it went away
(07:38):
because Candace Owens started this bogus, retarded investigation that she
started for you know, looking for the killer of Charlie Kirk.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
Oh my god, I can I can hear her cue
tards coming at us now, all her conspiracy queue tards
are coming for us right now.
Speaker 3 (07:55):
Trust me.
Speaker 1 (07:56):
What started this? What brought Candace Owens and Erica Kirk
together that kind of you know, led into all this
kind of bled out to the Ben Shapiro's of the world. Well,
Candace Owens had a very bold tweet that she put
out and it basically said, I received information last night
(08:18):
that put the final pieces together for me. I now
can say with full confidence that I believe Charlie Kirk
was betrayed by the leadership of Turning Point USA and
some of the very people who eulogized him on stage. Yes,
I will be naming names and providing evidence for my claims.
And I am making a personal plea to every well
meaning person who donated to this god forsaken organization to
(08:42):
request a refund. You were lied to and leadership new
pretty big statement. So now she's blamed some be cult.
She blamed.
Speaker 6 (08:55):
Israel.
Speaker 1 (08:56):
At first, she blamed Josh Hammer for having pre knowledge
of Charlie Kirk's death. She blamed and it went on
to France and Brigitte and and the Macrons basically killed
Charlie Kirk to so that she would divert her investigation
away from Brigitte's being a man. She's blamed people in
(09:18):
maroon shirts. She said that there was another shooter in
the audience at one point. You know, there's there's some
tunnel there that somehow, maybe someone came up and killed
him from I mean, the list goes on and on
and on of all the people. Now she's starting to
bring Ben Shapiro into it and saying, oh, why are
you so invested in Charlie Kirk's murder. Maybe you know
(09:40):
you're I now think Israel has something to do with it.
So she's been all over the place on this. But
it was this tweet on December second that set off
this this big feud between TPUSA where they started to
finally come out and say something. And we actually made
(10:02):
this prediction a couple weeks ago, or made this theorization
a couple of weeks ago in that we said, this
is the reason why they've decided to finally speak out
against Candace.
Speaker 2 (10:15):
Yeah, she went for the wallet. That's what I do
to you when I'm truly mad at you. I don't
yell at you, don't, I don't make a stink. I
just go handbag boop boom, I hit that send button. Yes,
I will purchase it.
Speaker 3 (10:28):
Right in the wallet. And that's what gets a response.
Am I right?
Speaker 1 (10:31):
You hit people in the wallet and they pay attention. Second,
and I'm going to cut off that credit card soon.
So yes, that is what happened. And we said this,
We said this a couple of weeks ago. We said
that was the breaking point for TPUSA. And how do
we know that we're right on that? Well, Candace came out,
you know, from this meeting that she had with Erica Kirk,
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and this is how she started off her kind of
promotion for her next show. After Erica Kirk's meeting.
Speaker 4 (11:01):
Four and a half hours later, I'm I'm alife. I'm
totally fine, and I am sorry. I was going to
do a show for you guys this evening, but I
am truly exhausted. Very productive conversation. I asked every single question,
I mean, from the Egyptian planes to Turning Point USA faith,
and I was very surprised by some of the answers
(11:22):
that I got, and I think they were also very
surprised when I shared certain intel.
Speaker 1 (11:27):
Yeah, no, they weren't anyways. So she says there that
she's alive, very subtle. He didn't kill me.
Speaker 3 (11:34):
He killed me like they killed him.
Speaker 1 (11:35):
Exactly exactly, and so this is what she's a master at.
So they go on from there. She goes on from there,
and this is how we know that our theory in
regards to this, this moment that finally had TPUSA speaking
out against Candace is in her follow up show to
this interview, and this is what Candace had to say.
Speaker 4 (11:54):
In the realm. It was just Justine Strife and Erica
George joined me just for the beginning portion of the
conversation because he had that thing going on that I
told you on the fifteenth. All day he was in
a conference.
Speaker 3 (12:05):
There was a lot.
Speaker 4 (12:06):
There's a lot going on, okay. And the conversation started
with Justine Strife very sensibly saying, what are we looking
to accomplish here? Like, what is the actual aim of
this conversation? And he was pretty clear and eric was
very clear that they were sort of most upset with
(12:28):
what I obviously a bit of a fever pitch when
I tweeted that it was a god forsaking company and
people should not give money to it, and I have
to own that that's aggressive, that is actually aggressive. In
the retrospect, I was very frustrated, and I don't know,
I just I felt like weren't getting any answers and
there were so many lies, and then I was getting
(12:48):
attacked for asking all meaningful questions that was within their
capacity to answer. And I've told you I definitely my
problem in life is that I can rise to anger
very quickly.
Speaker 1 (12:59):
So you get the idea there, this is something that
I don't seen many people talking about I saw Viva
Fry talk about this. I saw a couple other people
talk about, well, maybe this has to do with, you know,
a defamation lawsuit, and that's why they had the lawyers
in the room. I think what this had to do
with was this tweet that she put out. She says
there very specifically, the most important thing to them was
(13:23):
this tweet that I put out about basically that this
is a god forsaken organization and for people to request
a refund and that action of her doing that. We
faced this once. I don't know if you remember this,
Agriana years ago, when we had an advertising business and
we had a competitor of ours that had the same
(13:46):
client contact our client and bad mouth us. I think
they were saying, oh, they work from home, you know,
their office is from home, or something along those lines.
And that is a very specific action. It's called tortious interference.
And I didn't know what that term was back then.
(14:07):
This is probably what two thousand and six or something
like that. I knew that these guys are okay a
long time ago. I knew that what they were trying
to do was basically defame us with our client and
trying to basically get in the way of our contracts
with our client. And so I called my lawyer, and
(14:28):
our lawyer basically said, yeah, what they're doing is this tortious,
tortious interference. And so we wrote a letter to them
and they immediately back down and they immediately stopped. And
that is because you can get sued for that.
Speaker 3 (14:42):
It's basically their ability to make money.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
If you come in between a company and their client,
then you can be sued for that, especially if you're
doing it in a defamation way. And so you know
a perfect example of that is the Gibson Bakery case
in Oberlin. If you guys were remember this, it was
a couple years ago where you basically had these black
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students from Oberlin come into this bakery, they stole some stuff,
the bakery called the cops on them, got them arrested.
Then you know, these students, along with some staff from Oberlin,
ended up protesting the bakery. They ended up saying this
bakery was racist. They took that approach, and the bakery
(15:28):
sued Oberlin College. I want to say they got something
like forty million dollars in the settlement.
Speaker 3 (15:35):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (15:35):
And then I think there was a cap in that
area in that state to twenty five million plus something
like maybe six million dollars for legal fees or something
like that, big case, tens of millions of dollars. And
it's very kind of established law. And so here she
is going on Twitter basically saying, you know, these people
(15:56):
were involved in Charlie Kirk's assassination. Do not give them
money and ask for a refund. It's pretty straightforward, much
more egregious than what you know, our competitor was doing
with our client back in the day. And I think
her going on the air and addressing that and saying, ah,
you know, I've kind of I kind of went overboard there.
(16:17):
That was a little bit aggressive. That was her way
of backing, of backpedaling on that from a legal perspective.
You know, I'm going to correct that publicly, and so
that's kind of how things went from there. So she
went on and at first she just she'd started to
backpedal a little bit, and you start to see her
(16:38):
audience rip her apart. And it's happening live because you're
getting live streamers and you're getting super chats on YouTube
where people are paying so that their message pops up
over here on the side, and they're calling her basically
that she bent the knee and that she basically the
only reason why there's closed rooms is because deals are
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being made. She wanted to they wanted it to be public.
And this is the problem paid one hundred and this
is the problem when you basically appeal to and corral
a retarded audience, they're at some point they're going to
turn on you. And that's what happened there. And I
thought Cernovich put it best when he said, cultivating a
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low IQ, unsophisticated audience that's addicted to drama is a
lot like getting fat. It's a lot of fun to
get fat. You can eat what you want. Eventually you
have to pay the piper, and a low IQ audience
goes feral. Better to keep them at an arm's length
from jump. I think that that was really well put
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by Cernovich, and I think what happens and what we're
seeing here with Candice Owans, with Megan Kelly, with Tucker
Carlson is they are captured by their audience. Right now,
Megan Kelly probably has a lot of crossover. There's probably
a lot of people that watch, especially all these mommy
sleuths that watch Candace Owens that also watch Megan Kelly,
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and I think that's why you are seeing her kind
of not go at Candace the way that you would
expect her, the way she's gone at Megan Markle in
the past, the way that she's gone at the Cardi
B's of the world, and you know, the AOC's of
the world for the you know, the the minorists of
infractions are going at Beyonce for something. So her mob,
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her crowd goes crazy on her. So then now she
has to start feeding the beast. And what does she do?
She has on this guy. His name is Mitch snow.
He basically claims that he saw Erica Kirk on a
military base with some of Charlie Kirk's security detail the
day before or the days before uh this assassination, basically
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suggesting that Erica Kirk had something to do along with
Charlie Kirk's security detail of in this assassination. And you
have He basically is asked by Candice, how sure are
you that this was Erica Kirk.
Speaker 7 (19:11):
There's a picture of Erica Kirk with a ponytail, and
from from her past, that person matches who I saw
at fort Wa Chuka in the lobby the night before,
and she was with that with that man in the lobby,
and that man he was president at that meeting the
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next morning.
Speaker 4 (19:35):
So you had to put it at a percentage that
you saw that the girl in the ponytail matches the
description of Erica Kirk.
Speaker 1 (19:44):
What percentage would you put that at?
Speaker 7 (19:47):
Those are really rare eyes.
Speaker 1 (19:52):
That's ninety he said, ninety ninety nine percent. And that
is a pretty bold statement to make.
Speaker 3 (20:00):
That's pretty you're pretty sure.
Speaker 1 (20:02):
Well, what the fascinating thing is is you had some
of these guys that were simps for Candace her hardest,
Like every time she puts something out on a podcast,
they're putting out this, Oh, Candace destroys this, or Candace
come up with the receipts. You have some of those
people coming forward now and saying, Ah, this Mitch Snow guy,
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isn't that credible? And they pull up that he basically
allegedly has several domestic violence cases against him, he's a
wife beater, and he doesn't have the credibility that he
said he had. He basically said some things about his
career that aren't matching up with reality. And so this
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is her MO is that Okay, I'm just gonna have
this person on and let them spew what they are
going to spew about Erica and go straight at Erica
Kirk now suggesting that she was intimately involved in the
assassination of Charlie Kirk, her husband. And so this whole
idea that she wasn't doing that, it was wiped away,
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you know, months ago, But now it's just as clear
as you could possibly be.
Speaker 2 (21:11):
You know what, I do want to make one thing
clear to the audience, because we've had a lot of
people come at us and say.
Speaker 3 (21:15):
Oh, well, you know, you got to watch Candace's show.
You're you're obviously not watching. We've seen it.
Speaker 2 (21:19):
Guys, we're watching. We're not just you know, given commentary.
We are watching. So let's just be clear about that.
Speaker 1 (21:27):
So I want to play for you guys this moment
that I thought was very telling. And this is from
Jeremy Boring.
Speaker 3 (21:37):
He my, God, is he still around?
Speaker 2 (21:39):
He is?
Speaker 1 (21:40):
This was from This was from the town hall the
day that Candice Owns was fired from TPUs or fired
from the Daily Wire, And somehow Stephen Crowder got a
hold of this town hall that he had this internal
town hall and he said something very interesting. He said
that he goes through and he lays out to the crowd,
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to his employees why Daily Weyer has decided to let
go of Candice Owans. And he goes through it pretty methodically,
just kind of spelling it out moment by moment, month
by month where this started to go wrong. And he
comes to one point where he says to her, what
is it that you kind of stand for? Like, you know,
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what is it that you stand for? And this was
her response, I don't plan to know what Candas actually believes.
Speaker 5 (22:30):
When I've asked her directly what she believes, She's told
me quote.
Speaker 1 (22:33):
I believe what the people believe. I am the voice
of the people. That is a pretty interesting statement there.
I believe what the people believe. So, in other words,
if she sees the mob going certain direction, she's going
to go in the direction of the mob, rather than
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be the shepherd or be a leader and say no,
this is actually what is true. No, she's decided that
she is going to go in the direction wherever the
mob goes and feed them and be their voice. Doesn't
matter if these people are going at Erica Kirk, the
widow of Charlie Kirk. And the reason why that is
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so troubling is very obvious because you're not following the truth.
What you're doing is following the crowd. And what we're
seeing with most of Candace's crowd, it's the same people
that believed in Q. It's the same people that were
heavily involved in that movement. You know who you guys are.
You know that you guys are into the Q thing.
Speaker 2 (23:37):
It was you like to call you the Q tards. Sorry, guys,
I say that with love.
Speaker 1 (23:42):
There was a time where a lot of people were
kind of caught up in that whole Q thing.
Speaker 3 (23:48):
Yeah, but then most people, most saying people came out.
Speaker 1 (23:50):
And it was there was a point where okay, now
they're clones. And by the way, some of Candace's audience
were calling her a clone. They said that she was
cloned after Erica Kirk came through. Okay, that's how you
know it's a Q crowd. Okay, So she starts to
feed them, you know, red meat. After they start to
come at her, she starts to blame Israel again. Now
she gets back on message. That's what they all want.
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They didn't like the whole going to the French thing.
They liked the Israel thing because this is who these
people are. They all have this vehement disgust and hate
for Israel and she's been kind of the voice of
those people and she's just going where the crowd is.
That is very very telling, and it keeps very and
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it's very dangerous. So and I think it's that people
don't really I think what they're they're kind of forgetting
where this woman came from.
Speaker 3 (24:44):
Oh they don't know. I don't know. I don't think
that they've taken the time to actually find out.
Speaker 1 (24:49):
You know, there's this part of Candice that a lot
of people aren't very aware of.
Speaker 3 (24:52):
And she was a video ho Okay, that's that's what
we're gonna tell you, guys.
Speaker 1 (24:58):
Video You see that in these videos that are out there,
you see being a video you know, vixen or whatever
you want to call it. Back in the day, we
called them video hose. But they were the girls that
kind of danced with the rapper. And you see her
in these old videos. It was always about fame. She
was also trying to be a model at one point.
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And I mean a lot of people say Candice is beautiful.
I mean, come on, I don't see that.
Speaker 3 (25:25):
I don't think she's ugly. I think she's cute.
Speaker 1 (25:27):
Well, she's pretty.
Speaker 3 (25:28):
She's cleaned up very well. She's cleaned up very well.
And I know a lot of people.
Speaker 2 (25:32):
Were upset last week because I said that she looked
like a minion and I said that because she did
it was a bad outfit. But I think that she's
cute and I think she's cleaned up really well.
Speaker 3 (25:41):
I do.
Speaker 1 (25:42):
I don't agree with you, but whatever I think at
the end of the day. She's had has this past
of wanting to be famous, and you see that so
often with some of these people that come into the
conservative world. When she first came in, she was sharp, articulate,
she had a very specific message. She was trying to
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get black people to come over to the conservative movement,
and so many of us welcomed her. We didn't know
much about her past. She had kind of like this
thing where she did with Social Autopsy, there was a
doxing site. We all kind of took her word for
it that it was just something that I was doing
when I was a liberal, and we kind of like, okay,
but you don't know this person until they really are
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around for a while, and you're starting to see that
kind of obviously seeing that shift the second that she
leaves the Daily Wire and people are like, oh, you know,
why are you guys talking so much about Candice Owans.
It's all she's basically completely consuming conservative media right now.
She's going at everybody and blaming all these separate, huge
figures within conservative media of being involved in the assassination
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of Charlie Kirk. How do we not say something about this?
And when she comes out with these accusations, how do
we not address these? It's just as simple as that.
And the fascinating thing about it is, and I've been
seeing this now for a while. I think that she
is being amplified on these social media platforms, whether it
be YouTube, whether it be Twitter, because she is creating
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discord within the conservative movement. I mean, think about what
people were getting banned for just a year or two ago,
and how quickly they would be getting banned. She is
not getting banned from YouTube for some of the most
craziest accusations that you can make going at people. I mean,
imagine for a second, and we do this a lot.
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People in media Oh, imagine if you know this, what
about is and what about if the liberals did this?
This is very very eye opening. What if Rachel mad
Out on MSNBC was accusing Erica Kirk of being associated
or somehow being complicit in the assassination of Charlie Kirk.
How do you think people would respond to that? People
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would be going nuts. They would be going we would
be It would be in the conservative news cycle for
weeks and weeks and months and months. Imagine Rachel Maddow
going on MSNBC, who by the way, probably has less
viewership than Candice Owens, going and constantly every show, every
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episode that you're going out, devoting entire episodes for twenty
thirty episodes going at TPUSA and Erica Kirk for the
assassination of Charlie Kirk. How would conservative media respond to that?
We would be going nuts. Everybody would be speaking about it,
including Tucker Carlson. You'd have Megan Kelly talking about this constantly.
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She would probably lead protests at MSNBC for them doing that,
But now she's silent, completely crickets on it. I take
that back. She has recently addressed this, and we're going
to get to that right after the break, you're listening
to to America's fan boogie, and we are talking about
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the kind of moral clarity that we should be seeing
on the right and the conservative media that has been
very much lacking, and in particular with Megan Kelly. So
Megan Kelly has not been responding about this whole. Candace
Owens attacking TPUSA and Erica Kirk for months, and there
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was a point a couple of months ago, I believe
in the beginning of October, she made this claim that
she didn't really even know Candace and they weren't that close.
She didn't know her. And fast forward a couple of
months and now everybody's wondering, like, why aren't you speaking
up on this? Why aren't you talking about this? People
need to be speaking out about Candace Owens right now
(29:51):
because she's ripping apart the conservative movement at the seams.
And she finally came forward to say something recently. And
what did she do. She told her audience to f.
Speaker 8 (30:03):
With things ratcheting up between Erica and Candace last week,
many people had been asking me, why aren't you saying anything?
Obviously I love Erica Kirk, I do I love her,
and I feel, as I said on the tour, protective
of her because she's in an extremely vulnerable state right now. Yes,
she's taken on the CEO position of turning Point, and
(30:27):
you know, it's a fair question to ask whether that's
a job she can do right now while she's at
the height of her grieving. That's I take no position
on that. I think she's doing fine, but I also
think it's fair you can ask that, so don't. I
don't like to see her get attacked at all, and
I wish that would stop, and I, to be honest,
(30:48):
I wish Candace wouldn't be pursuing the turning Point narrative
at all, never mind Erica. Though again she hasn't graduated
to blaming Erica for Charlie's murder. She's criticizing her and
the media tour wrong.
Speaker 1 (31:04):
Wrong, Yes she has, She very clearly has on multiple occasions.
Your researchers have failed you, Megan Kelly, You're completely off
on that. You are you're basically gas lighting your audience.
She goes on, that's.
Speaker 8 (31:19):
That is fair game, that piece of it is fair game.
So in an event, Candace knows I disagree with her
on this petty Internet people want to turn that into
a catfight between Candace and yours truly, which will fail.
She and I actually have only gotten closer over the
past couple of months as people try to make me
attack her, So fuck off. Okay, I have no obligation
(31:42):
to you to hate the people you hate or try
to bring down the people you want brought down.
Speaker 1 (31:46):
Okay, so you heard her there. Think about that for
a second. This woman, Candace Owens, has been going at
Erica Kirk and TPUSA day in, day out for months,
Yet over that timeframe, Megan Kelly and Candace Owens have
gotten closer. How does that possible? How can you possibly
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say that you love Erica Kirk and you loved Charlie
Kirk and that get closer to the person that is
trying to destroy TPUSA. And it's not like she buys
into Candace Owens' theories, because she's said multiple times I
think Tyler Robinson did this, and nothing has swayed me
away from that. He is the killer. So it's not
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even like she is you know, Oh, maybe there's something
here with what Candace Owens has to say. No, she
is basically completely captured by her audience. She is one
of the weakest people that I have ever seen reach
to the height of conservative media. It's it's it's been
shocking to me. And she's telling us a bit much.
Speaker 3 (32:52):
She's one of the weakest people you've ever seen.
Speaker 1 (32:54):
Oh, she totally is. Think about this. She goes like
she put she licks her finger and she puts her
her finger into the wind. From the very beginning when
she first went at uh, when at Trump.
Speaker 3 (33:05):
It was very makes her I think that makes her dishonest.
Speaker 1 (33:08):
No, what she is is is she goes with the crowd.
Speaker 3 (33:11):
She thought she's an opportunist.
Speaker 1 (33:13):
She thought that the Trump didn't have a chance, and
she was going to use this opportunity to kind of
make a name for herself. Fox News was had decided
that they were going to go at Trump, and so
she went at him from a feminist point of view.
She went at Trump from the very beginning. She went
at him constantly. She brought on that Michelle Fields with
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that bogus, you know, campaign assaults case that she had
or or you know, an event that she had. The
video showed clearly that she wasn't assaulted, and she went
with that and with all the never trumpers for months
and months and months, and then when she had and
so she was conservative for years on Fox News. Then
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when she had the opportunity to go on to n
NBC and take the big check, what does she do.
She goes right over onto NBC. She's going to the
met Gala events. She's praising trans kids.
Speaker 8 (34:08):
Well, the people with me on stage right now are
all transgender kids who want others to know it is
possible to transition socially with love and support and acceptance
within a family and a community.
Speaker 1 (34:19):
Praising trans kids for their bravery. Okay. So then when
that thing falls apart, when she says something about blackface
and they decide they don't want Megan Kelly here, she
gets fired. Now, all of a sudden, she becomes a
conservative again. I have never seen somebody in conservative media
go from conservative to liberal then back to conservative again.
(34:42):
That doesn't happen now at this age that one. We're
this old. Okay, she will go wherever the crowds go. Period.
She is one of the weakest people that I've ever
seen reach that height. You won't shake me from that.
And I know and you know that if you had
Rachel Maddow going at Candace going at Erica Kirk for months,
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for months. Can you imagine what conservative media would be doing.
Think about that. It's unimaginable. It's unimaginable with somebody, even
a single figure from MSNBC would be going at Erica
Kirk for as long and as hard at going at
TPUSA for as long as as hard as Candace Owens
has and Megan Kelly still didn't have the stones to
(35:29):
stand up to her because she doesn't want to alienate
the people that are watching her, that are also watching
Candace Owens. This was the litmus test. This Erica Kirk
moment was the litmus test, and she failed, and she
failed miserably. But there is one person that had the
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stones to come forward and finally tell Candace Owens to stop,
and that was her friend, her old friend at the
Daily Wire, Matt Walsh. I want to give it to
Matt Walsh because he did something that both Tucker Carl's
and Making Kelly did not have the stones to do.
He called out Candace directly, and he did it in
a way he showed that you don't have to condemn
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or go after your friend in a way that makes
it look like you're throwing them under the bus. He
did it in the most classy way that you can
do it. This is Matt Walsh directly addressing Candace Owens
and her attacks on Erica Kirk.
Speaker 9 (36:27):
And it was clear to me then and has become
all the more clear to me since, as I've gotten
a knower more that this is somebody with an immense
amount of strength and courage.
Speaker 1 (36:36):
He's talking about Erica Kirk.
Speaker 9 (36:37):
So when people look at Erica and say she's acting strange,
I've never seen a grieving person act this way. Well,
I agree, She's an exceptional person in an extraordinary situation,
handling it with remarkable poise and dignity. That is a virtue,
and virtue is a strange thing in our day. And
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even if she were not an impress of person, she
would still be a grieving widow. She would still be
my friend's wife, and I would still feel duty bound
to support her as I have over these past three months,
in ways both public and not so. What I am
asking everybody, including Canvas, is to please leave this woman alone,
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let her grieve, let her pick up the pieces of
her shattered life in whatever way she sees fit. She
deserves that grace, and we owe it to her, not
because of any specific debt, not because we have no
right to question her. Of course we do have the right,
but we have a moral obligation as children of our
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heavenly father, to be charitable and kind towards suffering widows,
especially the widow of a man that all of us
on the right say that we respected and admired.
Speaker 1 (38:00):
That was very well done. I got to give it
to him, and it even got me a little bit
choked up hearing him say that, and I think he
handled it like a champ. He has definitely showed the
moral character and the moral clarity that you would hope
for somebody in his position, and I gotta give it
to him. Matt Walsh has been definitely somebody that I
(38:25):
think handles himself in these kinds of situations. He handled
that like a champ. He showed you don't have to
go at Candice and throw her under the bus to
do the right thing, to tell her that what she
is doing is morally reprehensible and to stop that. We
should be giving some grace to a widow. I mean,
(38:46):
it's just shock. It's so obvious to me isn't it
obvious to all of you. I mean, you have people
that are going at Erica Kirk. They literally have Charlie
Kirk in their avatar and on their banner on these
social media sites. That's how lost these people are, That's
how little they trust in the institutions. And somebody like
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Candace Owens is taking advantage of that mistrust and she's
feeding her narcissism in a way that we all should
have seen, probably a lot sooner, but it's there now.
It's very clear to see. The second that she left
the Daily Wire in twenty twenty four, it's been on
full display. It's why Charlie Kirk distanced himself from her,
(39:29):
It's why he no longer had her at his events,
It's why he put her at arm's length and then
stayed quiet because he knew what she was capable of
and didn't denounce her publicly. But Matt Walsh showed a
kind of leadership that you didn't see from Tucker Carlson,
who's been in this game a lot longer than Matt Walsh,
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and I want to give it to him for that,
because you need to call out, we need to call
out our side. We get a lot of flack. Oh,
you guys are always going after conservatives. This is why,
because you don't want this to happen what we're seeing
right now, where you let these you let these figures
get captured by their audience instead of being shepherds and
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being the people that are in the know and that
are seeing and watching this stuff every single day, and
then you imbue that you transfer that information to the public.
That is the responsibility of everybody that has a microphone
in front of their face and the fact that they
decided to not do that. I'm telling you, I'm close
(40:38):
to jumping off the Tucker train forever. Megan, goodbye. I'm
done with you. I don't need to see you anymore.
I don't need to see any of your clips or
any of your videos. I'm not going to pay attention
to anything that you have to say. Unless you start
going at people again like way Candae is, then I'll
go at you then. But as far as ever trusting you,
you missed out on that you told your audience to
(40:59):
f off of the people that are basically asking you
to have some decency. I'm done with those people. And
the reason why we need to go at and call
these people out. Is because what happened now with the
FBI and you see Dan Bongino stepping down from the FBI,
Why is he stepping down? I'm sure fast, it was
less than a year. That was fast, and because you
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know why, we can't have any nice things, because all
we're doing is going at the people that are that
have basically given up their careers to go and serve
this White House. Dan Bongino gave up his very lucrative
career to go and work at the White House, and
what has he been what has he got in return
(41:41):
for that? Constantly being said that he's sold out. Now
he's gotten accused of being involved in Charlie Kirk's murder,
He's basically decided, you know what, I need to go
back out there onto the media and get my show
back so I can fight back on this. I'm sure
that's the reason why he did this. When you see
somebody like Charlie Kirk assassinated, and then at the very
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end you see the people that are so called his
best friends going at his widow, somebody that is in
the media game, you start to say, why in the
hell am I doing this? What are we doing here.
Why am I wasting my time making money this way
when I could I'm smart, I could make money in
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other ways. If I am going to put my widow
in the line of fire by the audience that claims
that they support me. And you have to be an
imbecile to think that Charlie Kirk was brilliant on one
hand and stupid enough to have all of his murderers
around him as his best friend and his inside people.
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You have to be a complete imbecile to think that
Dan Bongino and Cash Batal and Donald Trump and Erica
Kirk had something to do with Charlie Kirk's death. And
so this is why we speak out about conservative media
because we have to because if we don't, you have
people like this and the moments like this that start
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to happen. We don't do it enough, and we end
up losing people like Dan Bongino in the positions that
in the position that he was in, and before you
know it, the left is going to take over again.
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