October 14, 2025 • 45 mins
What is cultural appropriation? To find the answer, we tell the story behind the origin of the concept…and a time when your humble co-host faced serious bodily injury over cultural appropriation. As is often the case, cultural appropriation may describe an actual behavior…but it’s not the one the media is peddling.
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This episode was originally broadcast on July eighth, twenty twenty two.
If you listen into pop culture news, one phrase comes
up a lot, cultural appropriation. The phrase has become a
staple in the media cultural appropriation.
Speaker 3 (01:12):
Cultural appropriation, cultural appropriation.
Speaker 4 (01:15):
Kim is being accused of blackfishing and cultural appropriation.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
But as often as we hear the phrase, it doesn't
seem to be clearly defined.
Speaker 5 (01:23):
Cultural appropriation is when someone adopts a culture that isn't
their own and does not acknowledge or respect of the
culture being used for their own benefits.
Speaker 6 (01:31):
Appropriation occurs when a style leads to racist generalizations or stereotypes.
Are it originated, but is deemed as high fashion, cool,
or funny when the privilege take it for themselves.
Speaker 1 (01:42):
With all of this talk about this behavior, what is
cultural appropriation?
Speaker 2 (01:49):
I'm Patrick Currelci and I'm Adriana Cortez.
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Welcome to Red Pilled America.
Speaker 1 (02:33):
Cultural appropriation is a phrase that's so widely used by
the media that it's become a given that it exists.
In fact, it's so established that it's created offshoot behaviors.
Speaker 8 (02:43):
There's an alarming new trend making national headlines that needs
to be addressed. Blackfishing. So blackfishing is when a non
black person pretends to be black on their social media
by culturally appropriating black features in an attempt to gain
followers and attention.
Speaker 1 (03:03):
But as frequently as the phrase is used, the definition
attached to cultural appropriation doesn't seem to match the phenomenon
we're all witnessing. So what is it To find.
Speaker 2 (03:13):
The answer, We're going to tell the story of a
time that your Humble co host was accused of cultural appropriation.
Then take a journey to the roots of the phrase.
As with many things we hear in the news, cultural
appropriation may describe an actual behavior, but it's not the
one the meat is peddling.
Speaker 1 (03:32):
At the end of this story, we want your opinion.
Who was right, Adriana or me. It isn't popular when
a man tells a woman how to dress, So I'm
starting off this whole endeavor with a bit of a
handicap because that's what I once did with Adriana. She's
easily the most fashionable woman I've ever met, but on
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this one occasion I stepped in to tell her what
or actually what not to wear. It was a Sunday
early evening in May night, eighteen ninety three, and I
was on my way with a group of friends to
Adriana's house in West Covina. We were all going to
a concert and.
Speaker 2 (04:11):
The band was The Diggable Planet. They just released the
hit track The Rebirth of Slick, better known to most
as Cool Like That. The song was a cut and
I loved it. But truth be told, I knew very
little about the band members other than it was comprised
of three people, two guys and a girl. I knew
nothing about their backgrounds, and frankly, I didn't care. What
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was there to know. They had a funky, fresh hit
and I was going to go see them perform.
Speaker 9 (04:38):
Now.
Speaker 1 (04:38):
Fashion played a big role in our lives at the time,
and my crew of guys had a particular look. Our
uniform consisted of baggy jeans and a tight fifties polyester
shirt we'd pick up at one of the vintage clothing
shops on Melrose in Hollywood. We'd close it out with
a customed stitched baseball cap and some Nike sneakers. The
ensemble wasn't a mainstream fashion trend, but it was our
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own look. We didn't have much money, so we had
to get creative to stand out, and this look did
the trick. Adriana had a much wider palette, so I
didn't ever really know what to expect from her.
Speaker 2 (05:12):
We were young and in love, and I always made
an effort to look extra cute on our dates. I
really wanted to wear something that would knock Patrick's socks off,
something that he'd never seen me wear before. That meant
I needed a new outfit, So the week leading up
to the concert, I planned on hitting up the local
mall to buy something that would make me look funky, fresh,
dressed to impress, ready to party. But I was busy
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with school, homework, and a full time job. Before I
knew it, it was the morning before the Diggable Planet's
concert and I still didn't have anything new to wear.
I woke up that Sunday morning determined to get something
new that day. Problem was I didn't have a lot
of money. But then I remembered that Judy's was going
out of business and having an everything must go sale.
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Judy's was a trendy retail chain of the time that
sold super cute women wear and Accessories. I always liked
shopping there, but most of the time it was slightly
out of my budget. But with this going out of
business sale, I was sure to find the perfect outfit
for the concert. So I hopped into my Vintage three
twenty I and headed to the mall. As I drove,
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I daydreamed about showing my friends all the cute things
I bought at Judy's. I got this skirt, this stress,
two pairs of ear rings, YadA, YadA, YadA, and all
for forty dollars. I pulled up to the mall and
walked into Judy's with dreams of fashion euphoria dancing in
my head. But the dreams soon became a dystopian nightmare.
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I couldn't believe what I was seeing. The place looked ransacked,
sort of like BLM had just peacefully protested through the
joint and confiscated all the good stuff. It was slim pickens, Hmmm.
After making several rounds in the store, it was clear
that there wasn't one single item of clothing that would
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work for me, so in desperate I headed over to
the last frontier, the accessories area, and that's when I
spotted it. A cream colored crochet hat of sorts. It
was beautiful, delicate and feminine, yet still edgy. It had
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that bohemian chic vibe that I liked so much, so
I tried it on and it was much more fitted
than I had anticipated. It was basically a skull cap.
I'd have to do something about my poofy, curly hair
to make it work, but it wasn't anything a little
gel couldn't handle. I made my way over to the
cash register to make the purchase. It'll be thirty seven
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eighty nine, thirty seven dollars, I asked, in bewilderment. I mean,
this thing was tiny, and that seemed like a whole
lot of money for what it was. I tried making
a joke to hide my sticker shock. The loincloth of
a moll Man is ten times the size of this thing.
Speaker 10 (08:05):
I'm a jiggy.
Speaker 2 (08:06):
It's thirty seven eighty nine. I stood there for a
second thinking about it, but then the girl behind me said,
I'll take it if you don't want it, and that's
when I knew what I had to do. No, I'm
getting it, here you go, I smiled as I handed
the cashier two twenty dollars bills. It cleaned me out,
but I convinced myself that I couldn't miss out on
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this amazing opportunity. This was an item that was clearly
in high demand, and this sort of kind of a
hat from Judy's was on sale. Practically a steal, I
said to myself. I rushed home from Judies to get
ready because Patrick would be picking me up soon, and
per usual, I was running late. I just knew that
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he was gonna love mine new fitted hat. I didn't
have a lot of time, so I needed to work quickly.
Since the hat was crocheted, it had small areas where
you'd be able to see my hair underneath. I have
curly hair, which tends to frizz easily, especially when it's
hot and humid, sort of like it is inside of
a concert venue. I had to make sure that my
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hair didn't start wiggling its way out of the crochet
holes and make me look like some lunatic who'd stuck
her finger in a light socket. So I took a
big glob of my brother's gel. He used the kind
of stuff that turned hair into rock, and I slicked
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my hair back into a low ponytail I thought I
sort of looked like one of those babes from Robert
Palmer's Addicted to Love video. For extra measure, I generously
sprayed extra strongholding hairspray. Then I put on my new
cute hat from Judy's I was so pleased with my
look for the night, I couldn't wait for my boyfriend
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to see it. Perfect timing, Patrick had arrived to pick
me up. I enthusiastically opened the door, then stood there
with a big grin on my face, waiting for him
to shower me with compliments about how cute I looked.
Speaker 1 (10:08):
My mouth dropped. Adriana's cute hat was a kufie. For
those that aren't familiar with the term, a kufee is
a brimless skull cap. It's often rounded to the contour
of ukrainium, crocheted, and covers the top portion of the head.
The thing may have looked like just a form fitted beanie,
but it had other cultural meaning. In America, coufis are
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known as African headdresses for men, and in particular Muslim men. Now,
this was a problem at the time. In the early nineties,
there was a big movement happening in Black music, an
offshoot of the Nation of Islam had infiltrated hip hop.
They called themselves the five Percenters. The five Percenters were
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and are a black nationalist religious sect that follows a
form of Islam that believes that eighty five percent of
the people live in axit economic and psychological oppression. Ten
percent of people are the white elites that keeps the
truth from the eighty five percent in order to control them,
and the remaining five percent are an enlightened group of
blacks tasked with awakening the eighty five percent. They are
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the five Percenters. It was an aggressive movement, and many
of the hip hop artists of the time incorporated these
Islamic beliefs into their lyrics. Groups like Public Enemy, The Poor,
Righteous Teachers, Buster Rhymes, and Brand Nubian align their music
with this movement.
Speaker 9 (11:36):
The teats, then.
Speaker 1 (12:02):
The five Percenters saturated the early nineteen nineties hip hop community.
The band that Adriana and I Were Gonna Go See
were not openly five Percenters, but because of the prominence
of this movement in hip hop at the time, the
Diggable Planets would no doubt attract a fair amount of
this Islamic crowd. To their concert. So when I saw
Adriana wearing what many would think was a traditionally Islamic
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head dress, my first thought was big mistake. So I
said to Adriana, You're not wearing that coofee to the concert?
Are you?
Speaker 2 (12:33):
What's koofy?
Speaker 1 (12:34):
What do you have on your head?
Speaker 2 (12:35):
This is from Judy's. It's not a koofe whatever that is.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
You can't wear that to the Digible Planets concert. Honey,
excuse me.
Speaker 2 (12:44):
It was very much a oh no, he didn't moment.
I could not believe it. He had another thing coming
if he thought for one second that he could control
what I was or wasn't going to wear. Yeah, I'm
wearing this. It's cute and I like it. I don't
care if you or anybody else for that matter, doesn't
like it, because I like it. I got it from Judy's.
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Patrick tried in vain to convince me not to wear
the hat, but the more he talked, the angrier I became.
Who the hell does this guy think he is? I
paid good money for this hat, thirty seven dollars, and
I'm wearing it. He gave me some cocamany spiel about
there possibly being a lot of Muslims people at the concert,
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and they likely wouldn't like me wearing a kofee. It's
not a kofe. I got it at Judy's, I yelled
at him. After several minutes of fighting me, he realized
this was not an argument he was gonna win, and
he gave up.
Speaker 1 (13:43):
I mean, listen, I agreed with Adriana. She should have
been able to wear whatever she wanted. We live in America,
but I thought of it like wearing an all red
outfit to a party thrown by the Crips, who were
all blue and view the red wearing Bloods as their
mortal enemy. It may just be a color, but it's
a color that'll get you killed. Adrianna insisted that it
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was not a koofy, it was just a hat she
got from Judy's. And when it came to fashion, I
didn't and don't have much to say in what Adrianna wears.
She wasn't taking it off, so I thought maybe this
was going to be one of those times where you
smile and let someone learn from experience. So we jumped
in my VW golf and headed out to Hollywood.
Speaker 2 (14:31):
It was a tense drive to the concert. I couldn't
get over the fact that I'd been bamboozled into dating
a male chauvinist.
Speaker 5 (14:39):
This is a dead end.
Speaker 2 (14:40):
There's no future with this guy, I thought to myself.
I'd have to beat the misogyny right out of him
if this relationship was gonna work. As we got closer
to the concert, the mood started to lighten as the
excitement for the show started to settle in.
Speaker 1 (14:54):
The concert was at a famed place called The Palace,
which was once an old TV studio from the nineteen sixties.
It had since been averted to a live venue that
fit about fifteen hundred people. As we walked up to
the show, I'd be lying if I didn't say that
I was a bit on edge. What most young women
don't really grasp is that when they caused turmoil in
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the public, it often escalates to violence because their boyfriend
has to get involved, and at the time, I was
not exactly the most even tempered young man. A year earlier,
I shut down a concert when rapper Markie Mark better
known today as Mark Wahlberg, pulled Adriana up on stage.
That night, Adriana was wearing a sexy boostier and Marky
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Mark fell in love with her at first sight. Within
a few seconds, I caused a violent scene and shut
down the concert. Now it was just one year later,
and once again the piece of Adriana's clothing had the
potential to create trouble. You see, I was no stranger
to the Muslim community. A few of the guys and
our crew were actually Muslims, and there were some of
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the nicest, most peaceful people I'd ever met. But the
five percenters were something different, especially if a non believer
was wearing something that they viewed as sacred. Black nationalism
mixed with the aggression of the time did not make
for a peaceful combo, and I knew they weren't gonna
like Adriana, a Mexican wearing a koofee. The concert started
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at eight pm. We got there a little early and
the crowd was just starting to trickle in. We made
our way over to the bar, and as we did,
I began scanning the crowd looking for possible five percenter
clicks that could be problematic. We'd been there maybe ten minutes,
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just long enough to start dancing to the music. The
DJ was spinning when it happened a guy walked up
to Adriana and asked, are you Muslim?
Speaker 2 (16:57):
I should have looked at the guy and said asamalama
lakeum and kept it moving, But in true I went
with the sass instead, not that it's any of your business,
but I'm Catholic. You want me to say in our
father for you, I responded.
Speaker 1 (17:11):
It was clear the guy didn't like her response, and
he was there with a few others who looked on.
All I could think was here we go. If you
not a Muslim, then you shouldn't be wearing that kofee.
The guy snapped back.
Speaker 2 (17:24):
It's not a coofee. I got it at Judy's I
could see Patrick in my peripheral view shaking his head.
Speaker 1 (17:31):
What Adriana was being accused of in that moment was
what we know today as cultural appropriation, and it was
a concept that had recently made its way out of
the college campuses and onto the street. The phrase cultural
appropriation is actually thought to have been first used in
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a nineteen forty five essay by American literature professor Arthur E. Christie.
He used it to describe how Western civilization writers were
taking some of the mysticism found and quote Oriental literature
in infusing it within their work, but the idea didn't
gain a wide audience until the early nineteen seventies.
Speaker 11 (18:11):
Say that those nominated for the Best Performance by an
Actor are Marlon Brando in The Godfather. The winner is.
Speaker 2 (18:20):
Marlon Brundel and The Godfather.
Speaker 1 (18:23):
At the nineteen seventy three Academy Awards, a global audience
was introduced to a movement that was in the making.
Speaker 12 (18:29):
Hello, my name is Sasheen Little Feather. I'm Apache and
I am president of the National Native American Affirmative Image Committee.
I'm representing Marlon Brando this evening, and he has asked
me to tell you in a very long speech which
I cannot share with you presently because of time, but
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I will be glad to share with the press afterwards,
that he very regretfully cannot accept this very generous award,
and the reasons for this being are the treatment of
American Indians to day by the film industry excuse me,
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and on television in movie reruns, and also with recent
happenings that wounded me. I beg at this time that
I have not intruded upon this evening and that we
will in the future, our hearts and our understandings will
meet with love and generosity. Thank you on behalf of
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Marlon Brando.
Speaker 1 (19:43):
Actor Marlon Brando had a history of taking up social causes,
but never on the Oscar stage. Now he was using
his platform to argue that the Hollywood colonizers were profiting
from creating negative images of Native Americans. It was the
beginnings of the cultural appropriation argument. Later in the night,
actor Clin Eastwood presented the award for Best Picture when
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he decided to take a jab at Brando's stunt. I
don't know if I should present this award on behalf
of all the cowboys shot in all of john Ford
Westerns over the years.
Speaker 2 (20:16):
By the mid nineteen seventies, British artist and art historian
Kenneth Cote Smith helped evolve the concept of cultural appropriation
in an essay entitled Some General Observations on the Problem
of Cultural Colonialism. In it, he melts colonialism with the
Marxist concept of class appropriation, where the elites appropriate art
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from the lower class than redefined it as high culture.
The result was what he termed cultural colonialism. In this process,
Kenneth Cote Smith argued that the bourgeois acquired the cultural
property of the lower class to perpetuate their privileged class.
This argument that certain things can be the property of
another culture is one that would come into play in
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the decades that followed. He argued that further research and
announce was needed in this area. Academics further developed this
concept in the nineteen eighties, but even as late as
nineteen eighty seven, the term cultural appropriation hadn't yet made
its way into the Random House Dictionary of the English Language. However,
behind the scenes, American Indians were developing the narrative underpinning
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the concept, and they were about to go after some
low hanging fruit.
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nineteen eighty seven, the term cultural appropriation hadn't yet made
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its way into the Random House Dictionary of the English Langue, which, however,
behind the scenes, American Indians were developing the narrative underpinning
the concept, and they were about to go after some
low hanging fruit. Enter Suzanne shown Harjo, a poet and
Native American rights activist. In the nineteen eighties, Harjo began
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an effort to pressure the NFL franchise, known at the
time as the Redskins, to drop its name, claiming American
Indian symbols were the cultural property of her people that
should not be appropriated by non Native Americans. She also
felt that Redskins was a racist term that had life
or death implications for her people. In a two thousand
and one speech, she highlighted the problem.
Speaker 13 (23:43):
Our Native teenagers have the highest rate of suicide and
suicide attempts in the United States of any segment of
American society bar none. Part of that comes from low
self esteem, and part of that comes from the spumbar
of negative images and belittling and being written out of
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history and written wrongly about and presented in stereotypic ways.
So our very humanity is in question. That's one reason
we want all of this eliminated, not just the R word,
although that's an excellent start. We want all the Native
images eliminated from sports. In the nineteen sixties. When this
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movement began, there were over three thousand of these Native
references and schools across the country. Now there are fewer
than fifteen hundred. That's a tremendous gain in fewer than
thirty years.
Speaker 1 (24:51):
So in the nineteen eighties, Harjo tried meeting with the
then owner of the Redskins, a guy named Jack Kent Cook,
but she had no luck. The team's earlier name was
the Indian themed Boston Brain Yes, but the city had
a baseball team with the same name. As the story goes,
he changed the name to the Boston Redskins to retain
the team's Indian imagery and honor their coach, who identified
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as a Native American. The team would later move to Washington,
d c. The word redskin even appeared to come from
the Native Americans themselves, According to a Smithsonian linguist, eighteenth
century European settlers appeared to have adopted the term from
Native Americans, who referred to themselves as Redskins. Also, the
redskin head logo at the time was created by Walter
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Blackie Wetzel, the one time president of the National Congress
of American Indians. The nineteen eighties owner of the Redskins
felt there was no malice in the name and logo
and wouldn't meet with Harjo. The issue went quiet until
the early nineteen nineties when Harjo got a call.
Speaker 13 (25:52):
A young lawyer from Minnesota named Stephen Baird, who worked
with a law firm named Dorsey and Whitney, called up
and asked if I would meet with him. He had
done a lot Lexus search and my name kept popping
up on this issue. So my name popped up here
and there, and Steve Baird wanted to interview me for
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his law journal article about the US Patent and Trademark
Board Lanham Act.
Speaker 1 (26:21):
The Lanham Act is a nineteen forty statute that governs
whether a trademark is or isn't registered by the federal government.
Speaker 13 (26:28):
So eventually we got together and he asked me two questions.
The first was, why did you reject the US Patent
and Trademark Board as a forum for getting rid of
this name. I said, well, we didn't know about it, actually,
hadn't thought about it. Tell me more and he said, well,
why did you reject the Lanham Act as a cause
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of action? I said, I don't know what the Lanham
Act is. Tell me more, and it basically has a
four prong test. Does something an image or a name,
hold a group or another person up to ridicule? Does
it pull people up to contempt? Is it disparaging? Is
it scandalous? So by the end of his taking me
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to school on the law, I asked him if he
would be my lawyer in the matter, and he said yes,
and we went on from there.
Speaker 1 (27:20):
So in nineteen ninety two, harjo along with a group
of Native Americans, filed a petition to the United States
Patent and Trade Office requesting all of the Redskins trademarks
be revoked. Stunningly, in April nineteen ninety nine, the US
Patent and Trademark Office sided with Harjoe, finding that the
name was disparaging to Native Americans. The board ordered the
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cancelation of seven Redskins trademarks, including the team's name and
Indian head logo. But the fight was just getting started
at the time. The Redskins came under new ownership. Businessman
Dan Snyder purchased the team for a reported seven hundred
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and fifty million dollars. It was a record amount at
the time, and he wasn't about to let the name
of his prize go. He cited the history of the
name and logo and the tradition of the team. Snyder
vowed to keep the name. He appealed the decision, and
in two thousand and three, a federal judge overturned the
nineteen ninety nine ruling revoking the Redskins trademark. The judge
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found that there was quote insufficient evidence to conclude that
the name was disparaging to American Indians, but Harjo and
her team continued to press the issue. They filed an appeal,
and in two thousand and five, the DC Court of
Appeals revived the case, giving Harjo another chance to prove
the Redskins trademarks was disparaging to American Indians. In a
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seemingly coordinated effort, later that year, the American Psychological Association
issued a finding.
Speaker 14 (28:48):
The American Psychological Association came out and said there needs
to be an immediate ban and abolishment of Native American
mascots because it has been proven to harm the mental
health and stability of kids, and not just Native kids,
but all kids.
Speaker 1 (29:01):
But ultimately, the appeals court decided that Harjo and her
co plaintiffs had waited too long to file their suit
using the legal doctrine known as latches. So Harjo in
her group pressed the case to the highest court, and
in two thousand and nine, the Supreme Court refused to
hear the case, leaving the lower court's decision to stand.
The issue seemed to come to a conclusion. That is
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until twenty thirteen, when a young group of American Indians,
trying to avoid the latches issue faced by Harjo's case,
filed a new lawsuit again petitioning to strip the redskins
federal trademark rights. The Redskins had to start the process
all over.
Speaker 2 (29:41):
That's when the media began putting their finger on the scale.
The far left Slate magazine announced they'd no longer be
referring to the Redskins by their name. Instead, they'd call
them the Washington DC football team, The New Republic, Mother Jones,
the Washington City Paper, the Kansas City Star, and football
writers at the Buffalo News. In Philadelphia Daily News followed suit.
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Protesters took to the stadiums to amp up the pressure.
Speaker 10 (30:07):
We're here to help the Washington team to get an education.
They need to learn that Indian mascots and logos are
harmful to all of our children, and it's time to
remove this kind of stereotyping from our society.
Speaker 2 (30:24):
At the time, in twenty thirteen, America was in the
throes of a new racial tension, and the person that
helped instigate the turmoil stepped in to give his two
cents on the Redskins name issue.
Speaker 11 (30:35):
Obviously, people get pretty attached to team names, mascots, you know.
I don't think there are any Redskins fans that mean offense.
Speaker 2 (30:43):
President Obama was about to make the issue go nuclear.
Speaker 11 (30:47):
I've got to say, if I were the owner of
the team and I knew that there was a name
of my team, even if it had a storied history
that was offending a sizeable group of people, I think
about changing it.
Speaker 14 (31:01):
You know.
Speaker 11 (31:02):
I think of all these mascots and team names related
to Native Americans. Native Americans feel pretty strongly about it,
and I don't know whether our attachment to a particular
name should override the real legitimate concerns that people have
about these things.
Speaker 2 (31:21):
The comment sent the media into overdrive.
Speaker 15 (31:25):
Even President Obama has weighed in saying he thinks the
name should be changed.
Speaker 16 (31:33):
The way to gauge if it's offensive or not right
is to walk into a bar full of Native Americans and.
Speaker 5 (31:39):
Yell out Redskins.
Speaker 2 (31:40):
Here's what's going to happen. You're going to be beaten
up near to near death.
Speaker 4 (31:44):
Right.
Speaker 2 (31:44):
So it's offensive.
Speaker 8 (31:45):
If it's offensive, and it clearly is offensive to group
of people, I mean, you've got to look at changing.
Speaker 2 (31:52):
Feeling the pressure, NFL leadership decided to take an action.
Speaker 7 (31:56):
The NFL is now eight weeks into its season, and
pressure continues to mount on the Washington Redskins to change
their name, which many consider racists. This week there's a
big meeting between the NFL and an angry tribal nation.
Speaker 15 (32:08):
After tribal leaders first requested a meeting with league officials.
In early October, Redskins owner Dan Snyder issued a letter
to fans, calling the name part of the football team's heritage.
He writes, I respect the feelings of those who are
offended by the team name, but I hope such individuals
also try to respect what the name means. Snyder also
says he has the support of ninety percent of Native Americans.
Speaker 16 (32:31):
The name of our team.
Speaker 17 (32:32):
Is the name of our team.
Speaker 5 (32:33):
And it represents honored, represents pride, it represents respect. Snyder,
who bought the franchise in nineteen ninety nine, has long
resisted calls to alter the name, claiming it honors Native
American heritage, even telling USA Today in twenty thirteen, quote,
will never change the name. It's that simple.
Speaker 18 (32:55):
Never.
Speaker 5 (32:56):
You can use caps.
Speaker 19 (32:57):
In his mind, he believes he's never going to change
the nickname. But the world around him is starting to
cave in.
Speaker 15 (33:03):
Other teams across the country with controversial mascots will likely
be impacted by what happens with the Redskins.
Speaker 19 (33:09):
When Washington's name changes. I think these others will be
examined and looked at, and I think one by one,
Domino's will fall.
Speaker 2 (33:18):
And that prediction would prove to be prescient. As the
Redskins owner was fielding a constant barrage of attacks, both
in the media and by American Indian protesters at their games,
the US Patent and Trademark Office made their decision on
the second case challenging the validity of the Redskins trademarks.
Speaker 20 (33:35):
It might be time for the Washington Redskins to start
brainstorming new team names. The US Patent Office canceling the
team's trademarks today saying the Redskins name is disparaging to
Native Americans.
Speaker 17 (33:45):
Dan Snyder saw that, and even he saw the writing
on the wall that went with it. At some point
a trademarking needs for his business, A business worth hundreds
of millions of dollars is going to expire, and unless
things change drammatically, the office is not good to grant
him a new one.
Speaker 21 (34:00):
You think about it, The team makes a lot of
money off licensing the use of their name and their
logo on merchandise and in other ways. If this decision
stands in the federal court does not intervene and change
the outcome, then that money that they're getting from the
use of all of their name and the merchandise and
so forth that will dry up. That would be very,
very expensive to the team.
Speaker 20 (34:21):
But there are all kinds of companies, schools, products, that
kind of thing with similar names. What does this mean
for them?
Speaker 21 (34:27):
So if you have a name like this and you're
a school, you're a ski resort like Squad Valley, for example,
you are going to be concerned about this ruling. If
number one, you've registered as a trademark your name. Number two,
you care about having the exclusive right to use that
name for what you do, and or three you want
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to make money by licensing the name. If you fit
into those categories, then you're a little concerned about this.
But as we said, the outcomes far from certain. This
is set up to be a battle royale. It's essentially
power in Washington against the money. It's not clear how
it will turn out.
Speaker 17 (35:03):
A lot of people are watching.
Speaker 2 (35:06):
As the outcome of the controversy appeared certain, President Obama
honored Native American activists Susan Shoan Harjoe with the Presidential
Medal of Freedom. The fury over sports teams so called
appropriation of American Indian culture spread to other teams. The
Kansas City Chiefs and the Atlanta Braves began to feel
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the heat, and tempers erupted outside the Cleveland Indians games.
Speaker 22 (35:32):
Change the name of your baseball team and change the logo.
How you.
Speaker 18 (35:39):
Go try it's a caricature.
Speaker 22 (35:41):
Get all rage, you think everybody, you think, any Irish
person rags on an owner name logo.
Speaker 1 (35:56):
As the controversy over cultural appropriation appeared to be reaching
an apex, the Supreme Court announced the decision that would
put an end to the entire legal debate.
Speaker 16 (36:05):
The Redskins have this rock band to thank the Slants.
They've been fighting eight years, ever since the US Patent
and Trademark Office refused their name on the basis that
it was offensive.
Speaker 1 (36:17):
In June twenty seventeen, the Supreme Court ruled that the
offensive provision of the Lanham Act was unconstitutional.
Speaker 16 (36:24):
The vote was unanimous. Just as Samuel Alito said, it's
not up to that government office to limit speech. It
would constitute quote, a huge and dangerous extension of the
government speech doctrine. So what does this mean for the Redskins?
Their case is very similar.
Speaker 23 (36:38):
The Supreme Court decision is clear that trademarks are private speech,
not government speech. I don't see how the team loses
after this case.
Speaker 1 (36:47):
The Indian plaintiffs in the trademark lawsuit soon announced that
they'd be dropping their case against the Redskins. The football
team had won the legal battle.
Speaker 23 (36:56):
Er Dan Snyder said he was thrilled today a Supreme
Court decision will be a game changer for football team's
fight to keep its name.
Speaker 16 (37:03):
As for the Redskins, while legally the win is on
their side, the moral case isn't exactly a touchdown.
Speaker 23 (37:09):
To the extent people are not happy with the name,
and there are a lot of people are that way.
You're gonna have to rely on public pressure and sort
of court of public opinion to prevent this name from
continuing to be used.
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Speaker 1 (39:04):
Welcome back to Red Pilled America. So after the Supreme
Court ruled that the offensive provision of the Landamak was unconstitutional,
the Redskins had finally won the legal battle over their
name and logo.
Speaker 5 (39:16):
To the extent.
Speaker 23 (39:16):
People are not happy with the name, and there are
a lot of people are that way. You're gonna have
to rely on public pressure and sort of court of
public opinion to prevent this name from continuing to be used.
Speaker 1 (39:31):
And that public pressure would come.
Speaker 18 (39:33):
In twenty twenty, overnight, Minneapolis on fire, the protesters leaving
an auto art store in flames. So others seen looting
a local target they've gathered hours before, furious that the
death of forty six year old George Floyd.
Speaker 7 (39:55):
When is there really golf changed?
Speaker 3 (39:56):
When is it really golf?
Speaker 15 (39:57):
Stossi?
Speaker 18 (39:58):
The outrage building nationwide.
Speaker 1 (40:00):
With the death of George Floyd and the rise of BLM,
A new kind of pressure was unleashed on the Washington Redskins,
one of.
Speaker 5 (40:07):
The original NFL teams, under mounting pressure to change its
controversial name. The Washington Redskins facing a new corporate and
political push to scrap its name, widely viewed as a
racial slur against Native Americans. FedEx, which owns the naming
rights for the team's home stadium, requesting that the name
given to the team in nineteen thirty three become a
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thing of the past. In a one sentence statement, the
Delivery Giant, writing, we have communicated to the team in
Washington our requests that they changed the team name. Overnight,
Nike appearing to remove all of the team's merchandise from
its online store.
Speaker 1 (40:43):
Washington, d C. Lawmakers also announced that the team could
not relocate a new stadium if they didn't change their name.
The political campaign against the Redskins that started in the
nineteen eighties had finally reached a tipping point.
Speaker 7 (40:56):
One of the most controversial team names in sports history
is being removed tonight, Washington's NFL team.
Speaker 5 (41:03):
It's under pressure dropping the Redskins name and logo.
Speaker 1 (41:06):
In the months that followed, others fell in line.
Speaker 4 (41:09):
It was a common sight every opening day and at
baseball games throughout the season, a small, relentless group of
people would gather in protest, calling for the Indians to
drop Chief Wahoo and find a new team name.
Speaker 2 (41:22):
We're going to continue to keep coming out here until
it's eliminated, and finally that day has come.
Speaker 24 (41:27):
The Kansas City Chiefs will not be changing their name
anytime soon. The organization's president said they are keeping it,
but they are retiring their mascot, a horse named Warpaint.
Speaker 2 (41:37):
The cultural appropriation bloodgates had opened. The Native American activists
understood that politics its downstream of culture. They had an
almost complete victory.
Speaker 1 (41:51):
When Adriana was asked at the Diggable Planets concert if
she was a Muslim, she answered, with her signature flair,
not that.
Speaker 2 (41:58):
It's any of your business, but I'm Catholic. You want
me to say an our father for you.
Speaker 1 (42:02):
If you're not a Muslim, then you shouldn't be wearing
a coofee. The guy responded, it's not a coofee.
Speaker 2 (42:08):
I got it at Judy's.
Speaker 1 (42:09):
The two had in exchange for what seemed like a
minute or so. Adriana made her case while I surveyed
the building audience. As usual, she wasn't backing down.
Speaker 2 (42:19):
I did not appreciate this guy trying to tell me
what to do, or Patrick with that I told you
so look on his face.
Speaker 1 (42:26):
But in the end, I think we both saw the
writing on the wall. I may have shut down a
club a year earlier with a fit of rage, but
one look at the building crowd and it was easy
to see that we were wildly outnumbered.
Speaker 2 (42:38):
So against my better judgment, I went to the bathroom
and took off my adorable Judy's hat and tried to
fix the gel saturated mess that was my hair underneath it.
To this day I maintained that I was right, even
though Patrick's prediction ended up coming true, and if I
had to do it over again, I would have rather
left the concert than take off the cute Judy's hat
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that was definitely not.
Speaker 1 (43:03):
A koofy, which leads us back to the question what
is cultural appropriation. Cultural appropriation is nothing but a power grab,
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carefully crafted by ethnic groups that have adopted a victim ideology,
and it's used to keep their perceived opponents constantly on
the defense. If we were to follow their twisted concept
that cultural elements can only be used by the culture
that created them, the only whites could skateboard, play baseball,
and basketball because each was invented by a white person.
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That would of course be wrong. When the Native Americans
began their attack on the Redskins, aside from a small
group of activists, there was no hue and cry about
the name. They claimed their Native teenagers had the highest
rate of suicide in the United States, and they tied
that statistic directly to Native American references in sports. But
from nineteen ninety nine to twenty seventeen, after American Indian
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references have been drastically reduced in schools and sports, the
CDC reported that the suicide rate increased among Native Americans
by as much as one hundred and thirty nine percent.
It's almost as if the fight over cultural appropriation had
nothing to do with what the activists were claiming.
Speaker 2 (44:28):
And that's because it didn't. Cultural appropriation is nothing but
a power grab by victim groups that want advantages embedded
into the law. So if you're going to put a
coofee on, keep it on in the face of their attacks,
or they'll continue to cry victim until they get their way.
Speaker 3 (44:44):
The larger question I think that we have to wrestle
with in this conversation about cultural appropriation is how do
we change the rules in Hollywood and throughout many industries.
Speaker 1 (44:56):
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Speaker 1 (00:56):
This episode was originally broadcast on July eighth, twenty twenty two.
If you listen into pop culture news, one phrase comes
up a lot, cultural appropriation. The phrase has become a
staple in the media cultural appropriation.
Speaker 3 (01:12):
Cultural appropriation, cultural appropriation.
Speaker 4 (01:15):
Kim is being accused of blackfishing and cultural appropriation.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
But as often as we hear the phrase, it doesn't
seem to be clearly defined.
Speaker 5 (01:23):
Cultural appropriation is when someone adopts a culture that isn't
their own and does not acknowledge or respect of the
culture being used for their own benefits.
Speaker 6 (01:31):
Appropriation occurs when a style leads to racist generalizations or stereotypes.
Are it originated, but is deemed as high fashion, cool,
or funny when the privilege take it for themselves.
Speaker 1 (01:42):
With all of this talk about this behavior, what is
cultural appropriation?
Speaker 2 (01:49):
I'm Patrick Currelci and I'm Adriana Cortez.
Speaker 1 (01:52):
And this is Red Pilled America a storytelling show.
Speaker 2 (01:57):
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Speaker 7 (02:22):
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Speaker 1 (02:33):
Cultural appropriation is a phrase that's so widely used by
the media that it's become a given that it exists.
In fact, it's so established that it's created offshoot behaviors.
Speaker 8 (02:43):
There's an alarming new trend making national headlines that needs
to be addressed. Blackfishing. So blackfishing is when a non
black person pretends to be black on their social media
by culturally appropriating black features in an attempt to gain
followers and attention.
Speaker 1 (03:03):
But as frequently as the phrase is used, the definition
attached to cultural appropriation doesn't seem to match the phenomenon
we're all witnessing. So what is it To find.
Speaker 2 (03:13):
The answer, We're going to tell the story of a
time that your Humble co host was accused of cultural appropriation.
Then take a journey to the roots of the phrase.
As with many things we hear in the news, cultural
appropriation may describe an actual behavior, but it's not the
one the meat is peddling.
Speaker 1 (03:32):
At the end of this story, we want your opinion.
Who was right, Adriana or me. It isn't popular when
a man tells a woman how to dress, So I'm
starting off this whole endeavor with a bit of a
handicap because that's what I once did with Adriana. She's
easily the most fashionable woman I've ever met, but on
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this one occasion I stepped in to tell her what
or actually what not to wear. It was a Sunday
early evening in May night, eighteen ninety three, and I
was on my way with a group of friends to
Adriana's house in West Covina. We were all going to
a concert and.
Speaker 2 (04:11):
The band was The Diggable Planet. They just released the
hit track The Rebirth of Slick, better known to most
as Cool Like That. The song was a cut and
I loved it. But truth be told, I knew very
little about the band members other than it was comprised
of three people, two guys and a girl. I knew
nothing about their backgrounds, and frankly, I didn't care. What
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was there to know. They had a funky, fresh hit
and I was going to go see them perform.
Speaker 9 (04:38):
Now.
Speaker 1 (04:38):
Fashion played a big role in our lives at the time,
and my crew of guys had a particular look. Our
uniform consisted of baggy jeans and a tight fifties polyester
shirt we'd pick up at one of the vintage clothing
shops on Melrose in Hollywood. We'd close it out with
a customed stitched baseball cap and some Nike sneakers. The
ensemble wasn't a mainstream fashion trend, but it was our
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own look. We didn't have much money, so we had
to get creative to stand out, and this look did
the trick. Adriana had a much wider palette, so I
didn't ever really know what to expect from her.
Speaker 2 (05:12):
We were young and in love, and I always made
an effort to look extra cute on our dates. I
really wanted to wear something that would knock Patrick's socks off,
something that he'd never seen me wear before. That meant
I needed a new outfit, So the week leading up
to the concert, I planned on hitting up the local
mall to buy something that would make me look funky, fresh,
dressed to impress, ready to party. But I was busy
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with school, homework, and a full time job. Before I
knew it, it was the morning before the Diggable Planet's
concert and I still didn't have anything new to wear.
I woke up that Sunday morning determined to get something
new that day. Problem was I didn't have a lot
of money. But then I remembered that Judy's was going
out of business and having an everything must go sale.
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Judy's was a trendy retail chain of the time that
sold super cute women wear and Accessories. I always liked
shopping there, but most of the time it was slightly
out of my budget. But with this going out of
business sale, I was sure to find the perfect outfit
for the concert. So I hopped into my Vintage three
twenty I and headed to the mall. As I drove,
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I daydreamed about showing my friends all the cute things
I bought at Judy's. I got this skirt, this stress,
two pairs of ear rings, YadA, YadA, YadA, and all
for forty dollars. I pulled up to the mall and
walked into Judy's with dreams of fashion euphoria dancing in
my head. But the dreams soon became a dystopian nightmare.
(06:40):
I couldn't believe what I was seeing. The place looked ransacked,
sort of like BLM had just peacefully protested through the
joint and confiscated all the good stuff. It was slim pickens, Hmmm.
After making several rounds in the store, it was clear
that there wasn't one single item of clothing that would
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work for me, so in desperate I headed over to
the last frontier, the accessories area, and that's when I
spotted it. A cream colored crochet hat of sorts. It
was beautiful, delicate and feminine, yet still edgy. It had
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that bohemian chic vibe that I liked so much, so
I tried it on and it was much more fitted
than I had anticipated. It was basically a skull cap.
I'd have to do something about my poofy, curly hair
to make it work, but it wasn't anything a little
gel couldn't handle. I made my way over to the
cash register to make the purchase. It'll be thirty seven
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eighty nine, thirty seven dollars, I asked, in bewilderment. I mean,
this thing was tiny, and that seemed like a whole
lot of money for what it was. I tried making
a joke to hide my sticker shock. The loincloth of
a moll Man is ten times the size of this thing.
Speaker 10 (08:05):
I'm a jiggy.
Speaker 2 (08:06):
It's thirty seven eighty nine. I stood there for a
second thinking about it, but then the girl behind me said,
I'll take it if you don't want it, and that's
when I knew what I had to do. No, I'm
getting it, here you go, I smiled as I handed
the cashier two twenty dollars bills. It cleaned me out,
but I convinced myself that I couldn't miss out on
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this amazing opportunity. This was an item that was clearly
in high demand, and this sort of kind of a
hat from Judy's was on sale. Practically a steal, I
said to myself. I rushed home from Judies to get
ready because Patrick would be picking me up soon, and
per usual, I was running late. I just knew that
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he was gonna love mine new fitted hat. I didn't
have a lot of time, so I needed to work quickly.
Since the hat was crocheted, it had small areas where
you'd be able to see my hair underneath. I have
curly hair, which tends to frizz easily, especially when it's
hot and humid, sort of like it is inside of
a concert venue. I had to make sure that my
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hair didn't start wiggling its way out of the crochet
holes and make me look like some lunatic who'd stuck
her finger in a light socket. So I took a
big glob of my brother's gel. He used the kind
of stuff that turned hair into rock, and I slicked
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my hair back into a low ponytail I thought I
sort of looked like one of those babes from Robert
Palmer's Addicted to Love video. For extra measure, I generously
sprayed extra strongholding hairspray. Then I put on my new
cute hat from Judy's I was so pleased with my
look for the night, I couldn't wait for my boyfriend
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to see it. Perfect timing, Patrick had arrived to pick
me up. I enthusiastically opened the door, then stood there
with a big grin on my face, waiting for him
to shower me with compliments about how cute I looked.
Speaker 1 (10:08):
My mouth dropped. Adriana's cute hat was a kufie. For
those that aren't familiar with the term, a kufee is
a brimless skull cap. It's often rounded to the contour
of ukrainium, crocheted, and covers the top portion of the head.
The thing may have looked like just a form fitted beanie,
but it had other cultural meaning. In America, coufis are
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known as African headdresses for men, and in particular Muslim men. Now,
this was a problem at the time. In the early nineties,
there was a big movement happening in Black music, an
offshoot of the Nation of Islam had infiltrated hip hop.
They called themselves the five Percenters. The five Percenters were
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and are a black nationalist religious sect that follows a
form of Islam that believes that eighty five percent of
the people live in axit economic and psychological oppression. Ten
percent of people are the white elites that keeps the
truth from the eighty five percent in order to control them,
and the remaining five percent are an enlightened group of
blacks tasked with awakening the eighty five percent. They are
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the five Percenters. It was an aggressive movement, and many
of the hip hop artists of the time incorporated these
Islamic beliefs into their lyrics. Groups like Public Enemy, The Poor,
Righteous Teachers, Buster Rhymes, and Brand Nubian align their music
with this movement.
Speaker 9 (11:36):
The teats, then.
Speaker 1 (12:02):
The five Percenters saturated the early nineteen nineties hip hop community.
The band that Adriana and I Were Gonna Go See
were not openly five Percenters, but because of the prominence
of this movement in hip hop at the time, the
Diggable Planets would no doubt attract a fair amount of
this Islamic crowd. To their concert. So when I saw
Adriana wearing what many would think was a traditionally Islamic
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head dress, my first thought was big mistake. So I
said to Adriana, You're not wearing that coofee to the concert?
Are you?
Speaker 2 (12:33):
What's koofy?
Speaker 1 (12:34):
What do you have on your head?
Speaker 2 (12:35):
This is from Judy's. It's not a koofe whatever that is.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
You can't wear that to the Digible Planets concert. Honey,
excuse me.
Speaker 2 (12:44):
It was very much a oh no, he didn't moment.
I could not believe it. He had another thing coming
if he thought for one second that he could control
what I was or wasn't going to wear. Yeah, I'm
wearing this. It's cute and I like it. I don't
care if you or anybody else for that matter, doesn't
like it, because I like it. I got it from Judy's.
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Patrick tried in vain to convince me not to wear
the hat, but the more he talked, the angrier I became.
Who the hell does this guy think he is? I
paid good money for this hat, thirty seven dollars, and
I'm wearing it. He gave me some cocamany spiel about
there possibly being a lot of Muslims people at the concert,
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and they likely wouldn't like me wearing a kofee. It's
not a kofe. I got it at Judy's, I yelled
at him. After several minutes of fighting me, he realized
this was not an argument he was gonna win, and
he gave up.
Speaker 1 (13:43):
I mean, listen, I agreed with Adriana. She should have
been able to wear whatever she wanted. We live in America,
but I thought of it like wearing an all red
outfit to a party thrown by the Crips, who were
all blue and view the red wearing Bloods as their
mortal enemy. It may just be a color, but it's
a color that'll get you killed. Adrianna insisted that it
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was not a koofy, it was just a hat she
got from Judy's. And when it came to fashion, I
didn't and don't have much to say in what Adrianna wears.
She wasn't taking it off, so I thought maybe this
was going to be one of those times where you
smile and let someone learn from experience. So we jumped
in my VW golf and headed out to Hollywood.
Speaker 2 (14:31):
It was a tense drive to the concert. I couldn't
get over the fact that I'd been bamboozled into dating
a male chauvinist.
Speaker 5 (14:39):
This is a dead end.
Speaker 2 (14:40):
There's no future with this guy, I thought to myself.
I'd have to beat the misogyny right out of him
if this relationship was gonna work. As we got closer
to the concert, the mood started to lighten as the
excitement for the show started to settle in.
Speaker 1 (14:54):
The concert was at a famed place called The Palace,
which was once an old TV studio from the nineteen sixties.
It had since been averted to a live venue that
fit about fifteen hundred people. As we walked up to
the show, I'd be lying if I didn't say that
I was a bit on edge. What most young women
don't really grasp is that when they caused turmoil in
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the public, it often escalates to violence because their boyfriend
has to get involved, and at the time, I was
not exactly the most even tempered young man. A year earlier,
I shut down a concert when rapper Markie Mark better
known today as Mark Wahlberg, pulled Adriana up on stage.
That night, Adriana was wearing a sexy boostier and Marky
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Mark fell in love with her at first sight. Within
a few seconds, I caused a violent scene and shut
down the concert. Now it was just one year later,
and once again the piece of Adriana's clothing had the
potential to create trouble. You see, I was no stranger
to the Muslim community. A few of the guys and
our crew were actually Muslims, and there were some of
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the nicest, most peaceful people I'd ever met. But the
five percenters were something different, especially if a non believer
was wearing something that they viewed as sacred. Black nationalism
mixed with the aggression of the time did not make
for a peaceful combo, and I knew they weren't gonna
like Adriana, a Mexican wearing a koofee. The concert started
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at eight pm. We got there a little early and
the crowd was just starting to trickle in. We made
our way over to the bar, and as we did,
I began scanning the crowd looking for possible five percenter
clicks that could be problematic. We'd been there maybe ten minutes,
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just long enough to start dancing to the music. The
DJ was spinning when it happened a guy walked up
to Adriana and asked, are you Muslim?
Speaker 2 (16:57):
I should have looked at the guy and said asamalama
lakeum and kept it moving, But in true I went
with the sass instead, not that it's any of your business,
but I'm Catholic. You want me to say in our
father for you, I responded.
Speaker 1 (17:11):
It was clear the guy didn't like her response, and
he was there with a few others who looked on.
All I could think was here we go. If you
not a Muslim, then you shouldn't be wearing that kofee.
The guy snapped back.
Speaker 2 (17:24):
It's not a coofee. I got it at Judy's I
could see Patrick in my peripheral view shaking his head.
Speaker 1 (17:31):
What Adriana was being accused of in that moment was
what we know today as cultural appropriation, and it was
a concept that had recently made its way out of
the college campuses and onto the street. The phrase cultural
appropriation is actually thought to have been first used in
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a nineteen forty five essay by American literature professor Arthur E. Christie.
He used it to describe how Western civilization writers were
taking some of the mysticism found and quote Oriental literature
in infusing it within their work, but the idea didn't
gain a wide audience until the early nineteen seventies.
Speaker 11 (18:11):
Say that those nominated for the Best Performance by an
Actor are Marlon Brando in The Godfather. The winner is.
Speaker 2 (18:20):
Marlon Brundel and The Godfather.
Speaker 1 (18:23):
At the nineteen seventy three Academy Awards, a global audience
was introduced to a movement that was in the making.
Speaker 12 (18:29):
Hello, my name is Sasheen Little Feather. I'm Apache and
I am president of the National Native American Affirmative Image Committee.
I'm representing Marlon Brando this evening, and he has asked
me to tell you in a very long speech which
I cannot share with you presently because of time, but
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I will be glad to share with the press afterwards,
that he very regretfully cannot accept this very generous award,
and the reasons for this being are the treatment of
American Indians to day by the film industry excuse me,
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and on television in movie reruns, and also with recent
happenings that wounded me. I beg at this time that
I have not intruded upon this evening and that we
will in the future, our hearts and our understandings will
meet with love and generosity. Thank you on behalf of
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Marlon Brando.
Speaker 1 (19:43):
Actor Marlon Brando had a history of taking up social causes,
but never on the Oscar stage. Now he was using
his platform to argue that the Hollywood colonizers were profiting
from creating negative images of Native Americans. It was the
beginnings of the cultural appropriation argument. Later in the night,
actor Clin Eastwood presented the award for Best Picture when
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he decided to take a jab at Brando's stunt. I
don't know if I should present this award on behalf
of all the cowboys shot in all of john Ford
Westerns over the years.
Speaker 2 (20:16):
By the mid nineteen seventies, British artist and art historian
Kenneth Cote Smith helped evolve the concept of cultural appropriation
in an essay entitled Some General Observations on the Problem
of Cultural Colonialism. In it, he melts colonialism with the
Marxist concept of class appropriation, where the elites appropriate art
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from the lower class than redefined it as high culture.
The result was what he termed cultural colonialism. In this process,
Kenneth Cote Smith argued that the bourgeois acquired the cultural
property of the lower class to perpetuate their privileged class.
This argument that certain things can be the property of
another culture is one that would come into play in
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the decades that followed. He argued that further research and
announce was needed in this area. Academics further developed this
concept in the nineteen eighties, but even as late as
nineteen eighty seven, the term cultural appropriation hadn't yet made
its way into the Random House Dictionary of the English Language. However,
behind the scenes, American Indians were developing the narrative underpinning
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the concept, and they were about to go after some
low hanging fruit.
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nineteen eighty seven, the term cultural appropriation hadn't yet made
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its way into the Random House Dictionary of the English Langue, which, however,
behind the scenes, American Indians were developing the narrative underpinning
the concept, and they were about to go after some
low hanging fruit. Enter Suzanne shown Harjo, a poet and
Native American rights activist. In the nineteen eighties, Harjo began
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an effort to pressure the NFL franchise, known at the
time as the Redskins, to drop its name, claiming American
Indian symbols were the cultural property of her people that
should not be appropriated by non Native Americans. She also
felt that Redskins was a racist term that had life
or death implications for her people. In a two thousand
and one speech, she highlighted the problem.
Speaker 13 (23:43):
Our Native teenagers have the highest rate of suicide and
suicide attempts in the United States of any segment of
American society bar none. Part of that comes from low
self esteem, and part of that comes from the spumbar
of negative images and belittling and being written out of
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history and written wrongly about and presented in stereotypic ways.
So our very humanity is in question. That's one reason
we want all of this eliminated, not just the R word,
although that's an excellent start. We want all the Native
images eliminated from sports. In the nineteen sixties. When this
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movement began, there were over three thousand of these Native
references and schools across the country. Now there are fewer
than fifteen hundred. That's a tremendous gain in fewer than
thirty years.
Speaker 1 (24:51):
So in the nineteen eighties, Harjo tried meeting with the
then owner of the Redskins, a guy named Jack Kent Cook,
but she had no luck. The team's earlier name was
the Indian themed Boston Brain Yes, but the city had
a baseball team with the same name. As the story goes,
he changed the name to the Boston Redskins to retain
the team's Indian imagery and honor their coach, who identified
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as a Native American. The team would later move to Washington,
d c. The word redskin even appeared to come from
the Native Americans themselves, According to a Smithsonian linguist, eighteenth
century European settlers appeared to have adopted the term from
Native Americans, who referred to themselves as Redskins. Also, the
redskin head logo at the time was created by Walter
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Blackie Wetzel, the one time president of the National Congress
of American Indians. The nineteen eighties owner of the Redskins
felt there was no malice in the name and logo
and wouldn't meet with Harjo. The issue went quiet until
the early nineteen nineties when Harjo got a call.
Speaker 13 (25:52):
A young lawyer from Minnesota named Stephen Baird, who worked
with a law firm named Dorsey and Whitney, called up
and asked if I would meet with him. He had
done a lot Lexus search and my name kept popping
up on this issue. So my name popped up here
and there, and Steve Baird wanted to interview me for
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his law journal article about the US Patent and Trademark
Board Lanham Act.
Speaker 1 (26:21):
The Lanham Act is a nineteen forty statute that governs
whether a trademark is or isn't registered by the federal government.
Speaker 13 (26:28):
So eventually we got together and he asked me two questions.
The first was, why did you reject the US Patent
and Trademark Board as a forum for getting rid of
this name. I said, well, we didn't know about it, actually,
hadn't thought about it. Tell me more and he said, well,
why did you reject the Lanham Act as a cause
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of action? I said, I don't know what the Lanham
Act is. Tell me more, and it basically has a
four prong test. Does something an image or a name,
hold a group or another person up to ridicule? Does
it pull people up to contempt? Is it disparaging? Is
it scandalous? So by the end of his taking me
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to school on the law, I asked him if he
would be my lawyer in the matter, and he said yes,
and we went on from there.
Speaker 1 (27:20):
So in nineteen ninety two, harjo along with a group
of Native Americans, filed a petition to the United States
Patent and Trade Office requesting all of the Redskins trademarks
be revoked. Stunningly, in April nineteen ninety nine, the US
Patent and Trademark Office sided with Harjoe, finding that the
name was disparaging to Native Americans. The board ordered the
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cancelation of seven Redskins trademarks, including the team's name and
Indian head logo. But the fight was just getting started
at the time. The Redskins came under new ownership. Businessman
Dan Snyder purchased the team for a reported seven hundred
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and fifty million dollars. It was a record amount at
the time, and he wasn't about to let the name
of his prize go. He cited the history of the
name and logo and the tradition of the team. Snyder
vowed to keep the name. He appealed the decision, and
in two thousand and three, a federal judge overturned the
nineteen ninety nine ruling revoking the Redskins trademark. The judge
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found that there was quote insufficient evidence to conclude that
the name was disparaging to American Indians, but Harjo and
her team continued to press the issue. They filed an appeal,
and in two thousand and five, the DC Court of
Appeals revived the case, giving Harjo another chance to prove
the Redskins trademarks was disparaging to American Indians. In a
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seemingly coordinated effort, later that year, the American Psychological Association
issued a finding.
Speaker 14 (28:48):
The American Psychological Association came out and said there needs
to be an immediate ban and abolishment of Native American
mascots because it has been proven to harm the mental
health and stability of kids, and not just Native kids,
but all kids.
Speaker 1 (29:01):
But ultimately, the appeals court decided that Harjo and her
co plaintiffs had waited too long to file their suit
using the legal doctrine known as latches. So Harjo in
her group pressed the case to the highest court, and
in two thousand and nine, the Supreme Court refused to
hear the case, leaving the lower court's decision to stand.
The issue seemed to come to a conclusion. That is
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until twenty thirteen, when a young group of American Indians,
trying to avoid the latches issue faced by Harjo's case,
filed a new lawsuit again petitioning to strip the redskins
federal trademark rights. The Redskins had to start the process
all over.
Speaker 2 (29:41):
That's when the media began putting their finger on the scale.
The far left Slate magazine announced they'd no longer be
referring to the Redskins by their name. Instead, they'd call
them the Washington DC football team, The New Republic, Mother Jones,
the Washington City Paper, the Kansas City Star, and football
writers at the Buffalo News. In Philadelphia Daily News followed suit.
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Protesters took to the stadiums to amp up the pressure.
Speaker 10 (30:07):
We're here to help the Washington team to get an education.
They need to learn that Indian mascots and logos are
harmful to all of our children, and it's time to
remove this kind of stereotyping from our society.
Speaker 2 (30:24):
At the time, in twenty thirteen, America was in the
throes of a new racial tension, and the person that
helped instigate the turmoil stepped in to give his two
cents on the Redskins name issue.
Speaker 11 (30:35):
Obviously, people get pretty attached to team names, mascots, you know.
I don't think there are any Redskins fans that mean offense.
Speaker 2 (30:43):
President Obama was about to make the issue go nuclear.
Speaker 11 (30:47):
I've got to say, if I were the owner of
the team and I knew that there was a name
of my team, even if it had a storied history
that was offending a sizeable group of people, I think
about changing it.
Speaker 14 (31:01):
You know.
Speaker 11 (31:02):
I think of all these mascots and team names related
to Native Americans. Native Americans feel pretty strongly about it,
and I don't know whether our attachment to a particular
name should override the real legitimate concerns that people have
about these things.
Speaker 2 (31:21):
The comment sent the media into overdrive.
Speaker 15 (31:25):
Even President Obama has weighed in saying he thinks the
name should be changed.
Speaker 16 (31:33):
The way to gauge if it's offensive or not right
is to walk into a bar full of Native Americans and.
Speaker 5 (31:39):
Yell out Redskins.
Speaker 2 (31:40):
Here's what's going to happen. You're going to be beaten
up near to near death.
Speaker 4 (31:44):
Right.
Speaker 2 (31:44):
So it's offensive.
Speaker 8 (31:45):
If it's offensive, and it clearly is offensive to group
of people, I mean, you've got to look at changing.
Speaker 2 (31:52):
Feeling the pressure, NFL leadership decided to take an action.
Speaker 7 (31:56):
The NFL is now eight weeks into its season, and
pressure continues to mount on the Washington Redskins to change
their name, which many consider racists. This week there's a
big meeting between the NFL and an angry tribal nation.
Speaker 15 (32:08):
After tribal leaders first requested a meeting with league officials.
In early October, Redskins owner Dan Snyder issued a letter
to fans, calling the name part of the football team's heritage.
He writes, I respect the feelings of those who are
offended by the team name, but I hope such individuals
also try to respect what the name means. Snyder also
says he has the support of ninety percent of Native Americans.
Speaker 16 (32:31):
The name of our team.
Speaker 17 (32:32):
Is the name of our team.
Speaker 5 (32:33):
And it represents honored, represents pride, it represents respect. Snyder,
who bought the franchise in nineteen ninety nine, has long
resisted calls to alter the name, claiming it honors Native
American heritage, even telling USA Today in twenty thirteen, quote,
will never change the name. It's that simple.
Speaker 18 (32:55):
Never.
Speaker 5 (32:56):
You can use caps.
Speaker 19 (32:57):
In his mind, he believes he's never going to change
the nickname. But the world around him is starting to
cave in.
Speaker 15 (33:03):
Other teams across the country with controversial mascots will likely
be impacted by what happens with the Redskins.
Speaker 19 (33:09):
When Washington's name changes. I think these others will be
examined and looked at, and I think one by one,
Domino's will fall.
Speaker 2 (33:18):
And that prediction would prove to be prescient. As the
Redskins owner was fielding a constant barrage of attacks, both
in the media and by American Indian protesters at their games,
the US Patent and Trademark Office made their decision on
the second case challenging the validity of the Redskins trademarks.
Speaker 20 (33:35):
It might be time for the Washington Redskins to start
brainstorming new team names. The US Patent Office canceling the
team's trademarks today saying the Redskins name is disparaging to
Native Americans.
Speaker 17 (33:45):
Dan Snyder saw that, and even he saw the writing
on the wall that went with it. At some point
a trademarking needs for his business, A business worth hundreds
of millions of dollars is going to expire, and unless
things change drammatically, the office is not good to grant
him a new one.
Speaker 21 (34:00):
You think about it, The team makes a lot of
money off licensing the use of their name and their
logo on merchandise and in other ways. If this decision
stands in the federal court does not intervene and change
the outcome, then that money that they're getting from the
use of all of their name and the merchandise and
so forth that will dry up. That would be very,
very expensive to the team.
Speaker 20 (34:21):
But there are all kinds of companies, schools, products, that
kind of thing with similar names. What does this mean
for them?
Speaker 21 (34:27):
So if you have a name like this and you're
a school, you're a ski resort like Squad Valley, for example,
you are going to be concerned about this ruling. If
number one, you've registered as a trademark your name. Number two,
you care about having the exclusive right to use that
name for what you do, and or three you want
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to make money by licensing the name. If you fit
into those categories, then you're a little concerned about this.
But as we said, the outcomes far from certain. This
is set up to be a battle royale. It's essentially
power in Washington against the money. It's not clear how
it will turn out.
Speaker 17 (35:03):
A lot of people are watching.
Speaker 2 (35:06):
As the outcome of the controversy appeared certain, President Obama
honored Native American activists Susan Shoan Harjoe with the Presidential
Medal of Freedom. The fury over sports teams so called
appropriation of American Indian culture spread to other teams. The
Kansas City Chiefs and the Atlanta Braves began to feel
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the heat, and tempers erupted outside the Cleveland Indians games.
Speaker 22 (35:32):
Change the name of your baseball team and change the logo.
How you.
Speaker 18 (35:39):
Go try it's a caricature.
Speaker 22 (35:41):
Get all rage, you think everybody, you think, any Irish
person rags on an owner name logo.
Speaker 1 (35:56):
As the controversy over cultural appropriation appeared to be reaching
an apex, the Supreme Court announced the decision that would
put an end to the entire legal debate.
Speaker 16 (36:05):
The Redskins have this rock band to thank the Slants.
They've been fighting eight years, ever since the US Patent
and Trademark Office refused their name on the basis that
it was offensive.
Speaker 1 (36:17):
In June twenty seventeen, the Supreme Court ruled that the
offensive provision of the Lanham Act was unconstitutional.
Speaker 16 (36:24):
The vote was unanimous. Just as Samuel Alito said, it's
not up to that government office to limit speech. It
would constitute quote, a huge and dangerous extension of the
government speech doctrine. So what does this mean for the Redskins?
Their case is very similar.
Speaker 23 (36:38):
The Supreme Court decision is clear that trademarks are private speech,
not government speech. I don't see how the team loses
after this case.
Speaker 1 (36:47):
The Indian plaintiffs in the trademark lawsuit soon announced that
they'd be dropping their case against the Redskins. The football
team had won the legal battle.
Speaker 23 (36:56):
Er Dan Snyder said he was thrilled today a Supreme
Court decision will be a game changer for football team's
fight to keep its name.
Speaker 16 (37:03):
As for the Redskins, while legally the win is on
their side, the moral case isn't exactly a touchdown.
Speaker 23 (37:09):
To the extent people are not happy with the name,
and there are a lot of people are that way.
You're gonna have to rely on public pressure and sort
of court of public opinion to prevent this name from
continuing to be used.
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Speaker 1 (39:04):
Welcome back to Red Pilled America. So after the Supreme
Court ruled that the offensive provision of the Landamak was unconstitutional,
the Redskins had finally won the legal battle over their
name and logo.
Speaker 5 (39:16):
To the extent.
Speaker 23 (39:16):
People are not happy with the name, and there are
a lot of people are that way. You're gonna have
to rely on public pressure and sort of court of
public opinion to prevent this name from continuing to be used.
Speaker 1 (39:31):
And that public pressure would come.
Speaker 18 (39:33):
In twenty twenty, overnight, Minneapolis on fire, the protesters leaving
an auto art store in flames. So others seen looting
a local target they've gathered hours before, furious that the
death of forty six year old George Floyd.
Speaker 7 (39:55):
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Speaker 3 (39:56):
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Speaker 15 (39:57):
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Speaker 18 (39:58):
The outrage building nationwide.
Speaker 1 (40:00):
With the death of George Floyd and the rise of BLM,
A new kind of pressure was unleashed on the Washington Redskins,
one of.
Speaker 5 (40:07):
The original NFL teams, under mounting pressure to change its
controversial name. The Washington Redskins facing a new corporate and
political push to scrap its name, widely viewed as a
racial slur against Native Americans. FedEx, which owns the naming
rights for the team's home stadium, requesting that the name
given to the team in nineteen thirty three become a
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thing of the past. In a one sentence statement, the
Delivery Giant, writing, we have communicated to the team in
Washington our requests that they changed the team name. Overnight,
Nike appearing to remove all of the team's merchandise from
its online store.
Speaker 1 (40:43):
Washington, d C. Lawmakers also announced that the team could
not relocate a new stadium if they didn't change their name.
The political campaign against the Redskins that started in the
nineteen eighties had finally reached a tipping point.
Speaker 7 (40:56):
One of the most controversial team names in sports history
is being removed tonight, Washington's NFL team.
Speaker 5 (41:03):
It's under pressure dropping the Redskins name and logo.
Speaker 1 (41:06):
In the months that followed, others fell in line.
Speaker 4 (41:09):
It was a common sight every opening day and at
baseball games throughout the season, a small, relentless group of
people would gather in protest, calling for the Indians to
drop Chief Wahoo and find a new team name.
Speaker 2 (41:22):
We're going to continue to keep coming out here until
it's eliminated, and finally that day has come.
Speaker 24 (41:27):
The Kansas City Chiefs will not be changing their name
anytime soon. The organization's president said they are keeping it,
but they are retiring their mascot, a horse named Warpaint.
Speaker 2 (41:37):
The cultural appropriation bloodgates had opened. The Native American activists
understood that politics its downstream of culture. They had an
almost complete victory.
Speaker 1 (41:51):
When Adriana was asked at the Diggable Planets concert if
she was a Muslim, she answered, with her signature flair,
not that.
Speaker 2 (41:58):
It's any of your business, but I'm Catholic. You want
me to say an our father for you.
Speaker 1 (42:02):
If you're not a Muslim, then you shouldn't be wearing
a coofee. The guy responded, it's not a coofee.
Speaker 2 (42:08):
I got it at Judy's.
Speaker 1 (42:09):
The two had in exchange for what seemed like a
minute or so. Adriana made her case while I surveyed
the building audience. As usual, she wasn't backing down.
Speaker 2 (42:19):
I did not appreciate this guy trying to tell me
what to do, or Patrick with that I told you
so look on his face.
Speaker 1 (42:26):
But in the end, I think we both saw the
writing on the wall. I may have shut down a
club a year earlier with a fit of rage, but
one look at the building crowd and it was easy
to see that we were wildly outnumbered.
Speaker 2 (42:38):
So against my better judgment, I went to the bathroom
and took off my adorable Judy's hat and tried to
fix the gel saturated mess that was my hair underneath it.
To this day I maintained that I was right, even
though Patrick's prediction ended up coming true, and if I
had to do it over again, I would have rather
left the concert than take off the cute Judy's hat
(43:01):
that was definitely not.
Speaker 1 (43:03):
A koofy, which leads us back to the question what
is cultural appropriation. Cultural appropriation is nothing but a power grab,
(43:28):
carefully crafted by ethnic groups that have adopted a victim ideology,
and it's used to keep their perceived opponents constantly on
the defense. If we were to follow their twisted concept
that cultural elements can only be used by the culture
that created them, the only whites could skateboard, play baseball,
and basketball because each was invented by a white person.
(43:48):
That would of course be wrong. When the Native Americans
began their attack on the Redskins, aside from a small
group of activists, there was no hue and cry about
the name. They claimed their Native teenagers had the highest
rate of suicide in the United States, and they tied
that statistic directly to Native American references in sports. But
from nineteen ninety nine to twenty seventeen, after American Indian
(44:11):
references have been drastically reduced in schools and sports, the
CDC reported that the suicide rate increased among Native Americans
by as much as one hundred and thirty nine percent.
It's almost as if the fight over cultural appropriation had
nothing to do with what the activists were claiming.
Speaker 2 (44:28):
And that's because it didn't. Cultural appropriation is nothing but
a power grab by victim groups that want advantages embedded
into the law. So if you're going to put a
coofee on, keep it on in the face of their attacks,
or they'll continue to cry victim until they get their way.
Speaker 3 (44:44):
The larger question I think that we have to wrestle
with in this conversation about cultural appropriation is how do
we change the rules in Hollywood and throughout many industries.
Speaker 1 (44:56):
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