October 6, 2025 • 42 mins
Should patriots abandon major American cities? To find the answer, we’re updating one of our very first episodes – the seminal 2016 Trump San Jose rally case – where a MAGA-hat-wearing man was forced into an angry far-left mob…by the police. His ugly ordeal quietly came to an end in March 2020 – and the result sends a clear message to law and order Americans all over the country.
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Shocks the Conscience. It originally aired on November eighth, twenty eighteen,
but it's just as relevant today as it was when
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it first aired.
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Now onto the show.
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Mayors all across America have lost control of their cities
to the far left mob.
Speaker 3 (01:34):
They're on my car. We can't do anything, ma'am.
Speaker 4 (01:37):
The city told us that this is a station event.
Speaker 5 (01:39):
Oh they're off my car.
Speaker 6 (01:41):
They're off my car, and I got a little girl
in the car flying.
Speaker 3 (01:44):
Are you kidding me?
Speaker 5 (01:45):
If this country doesn't give us what we want, then
we will burn down this system and replace it all right.
Speaker 7 (01:52):
Leaving the precinct was not my decision. You fought for
days to protect it.
Speaker 8 (01:57):
Ultimately, the city had other plans for the building.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
With officers unable to enforce the law and a metropolis
near you, it begs the question should patriots abandon major
American cities.
Speaker 2 (02:13):
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red Pilled America. It's become clear that mayors of democratic
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strongholds like Los Angeles, New York City, Minneapolis, Chicago, Seattle, Atlanta, Baltimore,
and Washington, d c D have completely lost control of
their streets. The far left mob has been able to
take over blocks of major metropolitan areas and has even
burned down a police precinct with almost no resistance by
law enforcement. With the mayhem continuing in a city near you,
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it begs the question should patriots abandon major American cities
to find the answer. We're revisiting one of our very
first episodes, a twenty sixteen story about a man that
was forced through an angry far left mob by the police.
His ugly ordeal quietly came to an end in March
twenty twenty, and the result sends a clear message to
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law and order Americans all over the country, surrounded on
three sides by mountains and on the fourth by the Bay.
San Jose is the cultural and political center of one
of the most storied corporate enclaves in the world, Silicon Valley,
being home to the masters of the Internet. The county
is one of the richest in the world and markets
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itself as the most innovative place on the planet. But
Silicon Valley is quickly becoming an epicenter of intolerance, a
development that hit one of its homegrown citizens hard in
twenty sixteen. Literally raised in Silicon Valley, Juan Hernandez is
a soft spoken, thin young man with a small frame.
His family has been in America, dating back to his
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great grandparents, who immigrated to the States from Mexico.
Speaker 7 (04:26):
It was like during the Revolution. I think that they
all kind of came here at the same time.
Speaker 1 (04:30):
Demographically, Wan is a lot in common with the stereotypical
citizen of the area. He's Latino. The area has almost
double the national average at thirty three percent. He's openly gay,
not uncommon living in the shadow of San Francisco. But
the narrative breaks apart there because Wan is a Republican
that supports Trump's immigration policies.
Speaker 7 (04:50):
I completely support the Wall. I like immigration. I like
legal immigration a lot. I just don't like illegal yeatch immigration.
Speaker 1 (05:01):
Given his families belief, he could have gone either way politically.
Speaker 8 (05:05):
Half of them are conservatives, half of them are liberal.
Speaker 7 (05:08):
Like within my immediate family, my mom is staunch chillery
like Hillary could have done the worst humanly thing possible,
more so than she's already done, and my mom will
still stand by her side.
Speaker 8 (05:20):
And my dad is a little bit more well, he's conservative.
Speaker 7 (05:25):
Some of us have the conservatives because of the religious
aspect of it and because of the family values.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
For the most part, his family has had healthy, if
sometimes heated discussions about politics. Wang got politically active during
California's debate over same sex marriage at the turn of
the century, advocating at the time for the LGBT community's
right to marry. That said, because where he grew up,
he learned to keep his politics to himself.
Speaker 7 (05:50):
I never talked about politics with anyone, like at work
or with friends. I just never did because I knew
that I was in a minority, because I was a
conservative and everyone else I knew it was liberal.
Speaker 1 (06:03):
When the twenty sixteen election came along. He initially liked
Marco Rubio and Carly Fiorina, but as the Republican primary
started to wind down, he jumped on the chump train
with both feet and wanted to come out and support
his candidate.
Speaker 7 (06:15):
He came to the California GOP conference that we had
in May of twenty sixteen, and when I was going
to it, I couldn't see him at lunch. I saw
a casic at dinner, but I saw all of the
chaos that was happening over there.
Speaker 9 (06:32):
All right, now, we're looking at something incredibly unusual. I
think the motorcade carrying Donald Trump arrived.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
But because of all the.
Speaker 9 (06:41):
Protesters were out in front, they circled around and went
to the backside of the building and Donald Trump literally
had to jump down from one of the barricades.
Speaker 7 (06:53):
And all of the riots, and he had a sneak
inside through a sideway. So when he came to San Jose,
I knew that I wanted to see him because I
was sorry that I had missed him and earl game,
and so I knew everything was going to be happening,
Like I knew that there was going to be a
lot of protesters. I knew that they were going to
be out in full force, and so, but I thought,
you know, I still should I still want to support him,
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just because the protesters are there. You know, I don't
think anything will happen to us because we'll be protected.
Speaker 1 (07:20):
One thinking he'd be safe wasn't a silly notion.
Speaker 10 (07:23):
I believe we have one of the most professional police
departments in the nation.
Speaker 1 (07:26):
San Jose Police Chief Eddie Garcia issued a statement the
day before the June tewid Trump rally that read, in
part quote, the San Jose Police Department recognizes and respects
everyone's right to express their First Amendment, and we will
do everything possible to ensure the event is safe for
all attendees and surrounding neighborhoods end quote.
Speaker 8 (07:45):
See.
Speaker 1 (07:45):
Trump supporters had a reason to believe the San Jose
PD had their back, but what the public wasn't aware
of was that there was a last minute adjustment to
how the police would approach violent protesters at Trump's rally,
an adjustment that changed everything for decades, dating back to
the end of World War II, the presidential vote in
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Silicon Valley, officially Santa Clara County, bounced between parties, sometimes
going Democrat, but more often going Republican. Up through the
nineteen eighty four election, or fifty five percent voted for
Ronald Reagan. But since the nineteen eighty six amnesty, the
Republican Party's fortunes drastically changed in the area. Two years later,
fifty one percent voted for the Democrat Ducaucus, and the
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vote has gone strongly Democrat ever since. In twenty sixteen,
a wopping seventy three percent voted for Hillary Clinton. Aside
from now being a deep Blue stronghold, Silicon Valley also
has the highest estimated population of non citizens of any
county in California, and the third highest in the nation.
Speaker 10 (08:48):
It's with great honor that I stand before you today.
I want to personally thank the city manager and city
council for selecting me and confirming me this morning.
Speaker 1 (08:56):
San Jose Police Chief Eddie Garcia appears to have benefited
from this political and demographic shift. Born in Puerto Rico,
it came to San Jose as a young boy that
couldn't speak English. He entered the force at the age
of twenty one and rose up to the top cop
spot just three months before the Trump rally.
Speaker 11 (09:12):
Simplementa Sina The chief often taps his Latino roots and
was a regular participant in a group called Larasa Roundtable
de California.
Speaker 1 (09:24):
A local outfit whose goal is to bring together community
leaders that can quote impact positive change for Larasa or
the race. So a presidential candidate traveling through town with
a promise of stronger immigration enforcement wouldn't have aligned well
with the position of the large non citizen population of
San Jose or Larasa, who would publicly label Candidate Trump's
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campaign statements as racist when given the opportunity. For some
Chief Grisia's involvement with the group would put into question
his decision making for the Trump rally. Initially, the San
Jose Police Department's public statement regarding the upcoming Trump rally
in included a direct warning to troublemakers, stating, quote, we
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are taking a zero tolerance approach to violent protesters end quote.
The advisory went on to say, quote, we will utilize
all resources within the department and through mutual aid to
ensure a safe event for everyone end quote. But just
fifteen minutes before the statement went public, Chief Grasia deleted
all mention of a zero tolerance approach to violent protesters,
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as well as the claim that the city would use
outside resources to ensure a safe event. By eliminating this
forceful language, on its face, it appeared the San Jose
PD was signaling a different approach altogether, one Trump's supporters
would see play out in graphic form. On the afternoon
of June second, Juan picked up a friend and drove
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to the Trump rally at the San Jose Convention Center.
Actually it was more than just Juan's friend. Did you
go by yourself or did you go with somebody?
Speaker 7 (10:56):
Or he went with a friend? Okay, yeah, it's kind
of like almost our first day.
Speaker 1 (11:01):
Gotcha, what's their trumpro And he was a writer, center.
Speaker 8 (11:05):
Guy, libertarian right though waste was.
Speaker 1 (11:10):
He Trump supporter at the time.
Speaker 8 (11:14):
Trump.
Speaker 1 (11:15):
When the two drove up to the rally, they didn't
really see any protesters. They parked in a garage that
was attached to the convention center and came out of
the lot right next to the venue.
Speaker 7 (11:24):
So when we came out, you go right and you
take a few steps, and that's the entrance of where
he was holding the rally.
Speaker 8 (11:34):
So when we come out, you know, there wasn't really
much happening.
Speaker 1 (11:38):
Once that he could see a few protesters near the
vendors that were selling items, but they were your guarden
variety type calm unions with their coalitions channing various things, so.
Speaker 7 (11:47):
There wasn't really much protesting going on. Everything was cool,
everything was great. Bought some of the gear from the
clothing were wearing a walking through the street to the
convention center back to it and there were no problems
at all.
Speaker 8 (12:02):
Got some but there weren't any problems.
Speaker 1 (12:04):
With their new be purchased MAGA gear. They had arrived
two gay Trump supporters on their first real date together,
looking to find people that accepted them for who they were,
for what they believed in. When they walked into the rally,
it was everything that Juan was hoping for.
Speaker 12 (12:21):
Thank you Latinas for Trump. That's what I love that Latina.
Speaker 7 (12:28):
And then you go inside and it was like it
was it was incredible.
Speaker 12 (12:34):
The Hispanics really love the histritics.
Speaker 7 (12:37):
Here everybody, So it was an incredible feeling to like
walk in and think here we are, like we can
be who we want to be right now and everyone
here in San Jose, these are the people.
Speaker 8 (12:49):
Wow, like we exist here.
Speaker 7 (12:51):
Like there are other Republicans, other Trump supporters and this
large quantity of people, and so it was really awesome
to feel that in San Jose.
Speaker 8 (13:01):
And he was awesome. Of course when he was talking,
he got crowd going. The crowd was pumped up, and.
Speaker 9 (13:06):
We are going to start winning again.
Speaker 5 (13:10):
We're gonna win in so many different ways.
Speaker 8 (13:13):
You're gonna be begging me. You're gonna be so upset.
Speaker 10 (13:16):
You're gonna be saying, mister President, we're winning too much, sir.
Speaker 8 (13:20):
We don't want to win so much.
Speaker 7 (13:22):
There was a Bernie's Center supporter in there and he
had a sign and he put his sign up and
started yelling something and everyone starts chanting, you know, USA, USA,
going back to him, and Trump came out and he
was just like stop, like let this guy do it,
you know, let him do what he wants to do.
Speaker 1 (13:42):
It's all right, that's up.
Speaker 11 (13:45):
Now leave him alone.
Speaker 2 (13:47):
We gotta be nice.
Speaker 8 (13:49):
Don't forget. Don't forget.
Speaker 3 (13:53):
The only one I hear.
Speaker 4 (13:54):
At you people, I don't hear him. All right, don't
hurt him.
Speaker 7 (14:03):
And it was really coolse life, Wow, that was cool.
Like he didn't try and stop him. He's like, keep
your pretty side, little sign up.
Speaker 1 (14:11):
So Wan was having the time of his life at
the San Jose Trump rally. But it must have been
strange as well. Here he was a gay Latino man
living in the shadow of San Francisco, in the heart
of uber liberal, uber Hispanic Silicon Valley, and of all things,
it was a Trump rally that made him feel connected
to like minded people. That's odd given the narrative is
that the media feeds us. So the event wraps up
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and it's time to head out for one it seemed
like it was going to be a quick trek to
his car. I mean, he'd parked in the garage connected
to the convention center, which was steps away from one
of the entrances. When he arrived, there weren't many protesters outside.
It was going to be easy, peasy, right wrong.
Speaker 7 (14:49):
So we walk out and we walk out and there's
a lot of law enforcement that we're standing there, guiding
us and to what we thought was the safe way.
Speaker 8 (14:59):
You know, law enforcement, you trust them.
Speaker 1 (15:02):
That's a pretty standard sentiment for conservatives, the respect and
trust law enforcement almost unconditionally.
Speaker 3 (15:08):
Well, I was actually at this rally as a supporter
of Donald Trump for president.
Speaker 1 (15:14):
That's our meat. Dylan, a San Francisco native.
Speaker 3 (15:17):
Most conservatives are brought up to believe that the authorities
are there to keep the peace and are at least
going to be neutral.
Speaker 7 (15:24):
So as we're exiting, it was like, okay, well, there's
the door that we just came out of from the
parking garage, and we told the cop can we go
in there? This is all we're apart and there are
other people saying the same thing, and he said, no,
you can't go this way.
Speaker 8 (15:36):
It's locked.
Speaker 7 (15:37):
You have to go around the other way. Whether the
police are leading you or so.
Speaker 1 (15:41):
You were, you trying to leave the same place that
you came in.
Speaker 7 (15:45):
Right, so, the same door that we came out. We
wanted to go back in that door because our car
was literally right there, and there were other people who
had the same thing, but they said no, and so
we thought, okay, well we'll protect.
Speaker 8 (15:57):
We're surrounded by the cops.
Speaker 1 (15:58):
Our meat received the same police order.
Speaker 3 (16:01):
There were people like myself and others who asked if
we could go in a different direction. We were not
allowed to go in a different direction.
Speaker 7 (16:08):
But they said no, and so we thought, okay, well
we'll protect we're surrounded by the cops.
Speaker 8 (16:17):
Because at that point that's when you can see all
the protesters out were there?
Speaker 7 (16:20):
Those were the protesters were You could tell that those
were going to be the violent ones. And the cops
are like facing us, and I'm like, why isn't you
facing them, Like we're republic we don't do that, Like
you need to be facing them, watching if they're going
to come and attack us. And they weren't responding anyway.
So they let us down this path.
Speaker 1 (16:40):
Picture this maga hat wearing Trump voters, staunch, staunch supporters
of law enforcement, some parents with their kids, some grandparents,
being directed down a single path by the people they
have been raised to trust, people they have been raised
to obey, all with the sound of hostile protesters getting
louder and more unhinged.
Speaker 3 (16:59):
One of the things I'll never forget about this is
that as these supporters and citizens were walking out of
the event and there's a blue line, all of us
were saying blue lives matter, thanking them for their service
and appreciating them for being there to keep us safe.
Little did we know that as we turned the corner
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we were going to be forced into a mob.
Speaker 7 (17:22):
So they let us down this path, and all of
a sudden they were no longer there, and they let
us literally right into the heart of the protesters just
like left us. And then the next part was it
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was really hard walking through because I had never seen
anything like it ever, where people are just getting attact.
They're getting You could see them protesters is running and
diving on people, jumping on people, taking them down, chasing people,
grabbing their hats, burning burning American flags, and you know,
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to a patriot like me, to all of us seeing
the American flag burning, it was like what is going on?
Speaker 8 (18:13):
Like where are we right now?
Speaker 7 (18:15):
And and it was really tough to see.
Speaker 8 (18:20):
Like other humans, but especially these people that.
Speaker 7 (18:25):
You have this connection with, this bond with, like seeing
them get slaughtered. It's like the comps are around there
and they're not doing anything.
Speaker 8 (18:33):
It was like Armageddon running through that.
Speaker 7 (18:36):
It's like God, Like, if this isn't, please God, just
come and pick me up and take me, because it's like,
that's I think how Armageddon is going to look.
Speaker 1 (18:44):
They had found themselves led right into the hands of
not just their political opponents, but a violent enemy, and
they were led to them by people they unquestionably trusted,
the police. Hearing the story reminded me of a rarely
discussed hurting tactic that I read about recently. Meat packing
plants sometimes use a devious method to lead sheep into
an area they don't want to go into for some reason,
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whether because they are too smart, or naturally skeptical, or
any number of other reasons. Sheep are a bit more
resistant than other livestock and being herded by humans, and
can't be easily led to the part of a slaughter
house where they are well slaughtered, So some meat packing
plants have devised a rather sinister scheme. They train a
goat to become friends with the flock. When the sheep
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appear to be comfortable with their new horned buddy, the
goat walks down the pass, up the ramp, and into
the slaughterhouse, with the sheep following their trusted friend the
entire way. When the goat gets to his final destination,
he's taken to the side and given a treat a cigarette.
No seriously, the meat packers get the goat addicted to
nicotine in return for directing the sheep to their death.
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This devious leader of the flock is called a Judas goat,
given the name after Judas Iscariot, the disciple of Jesus
that sold him out for a few pieces of silver.
I'm not saying that the San Jose Police Department was
one big Judas goat on that day, but hearing this story,
she reminded me of that little talked about slaughterhouse tactic.
In the moment, one was shocked by the actions of
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the police, and it wasn't long until he could tell
that he was going to be facing the mob on
his own.
Speaker 7 (20:17):
And you can see them there just watching, not an contentment,
but that they were just sitting there watching. And so
it was like, okay, and there's points where you want
to help the people who are getting them choked, but
you know that if you start helping them, you're just
going to get attacked also. And based on all of
the people that all the officers that were setting mind,
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they weren't going to help.
Speaker 1 (20:40):
Then the mob heard something from the San Jose police
that made them pounce even harder on the Trump supporters.
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Speaker 1 (21:03):
Welcome back to red pilled America. So the San Jose
police herded Trump supporters into a violent anti Trump mob,
and then they stood on the sidelines is the mob
began pummeling on the rally attendees.
Speaker 3 (21:16):
One of the mobs people who was beating up an
elderly lady, heard the police say I'm sorry, I can't
do anything about this, and then yelled to their supporters
they're not going to intervene, and then the violence became
even worse. The fact that they were there and not
taking action actually emboldened some of the criminals.
Speaker 7 (21:36):
So it was like, Okay, we've got to just make
it to a car and then we'll figure it out
at that point. So we're running and we turned the
corner where our car is.
Speaker 8 (21:44):
There's like a.
Speaker 7 (21:45):
Another mob of people and we're walking like with them,
And as I look around, I'm like, oh, like, these
are other protesters that are here right now, like walking
with us, and they're realizing that we're walking with them
also because this is another section, and they're making eye
contact with my friend and I and it like because
we had our hats on our make America Greater gain
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hats and carrying our signs and then at that point
I made eye contact with one of the.
Speaker 8 (22:12):
One of the protesters.
Speaker 7 (22:13):
He's carrying a Mexican flag, and he looked at me
and he like, I was like, what the are you doing?
Speaker 8 (22:20):
And I was like, oh God, here we go. This
is our time now. So I had a small amount
of video.
Speaker 7 (22:26):
But then when they started walking to us, I thought, Okay,
this is it, Like this is our turn now.
Speaker 8 (22:30):
So a bunch of them surrounded us. There are about
five guys that surrounded us.
Speaker 7 (22:33):
And when they surrounded us, they went up to my
friend and they pushed them. And then that's when we
just started getting hit from all the directions.
Speaker 8 (22:42):
And there was a point that when I went down
kind of.
Speaker 7 (22:44):
Just to protect myself, like in a fetal position, and
I was sitting there, I can just feel the blows
coming in from all the directions, and like the adrenaline
is just pumping, and I remember thinking, I Am not
going to get knocked down on the floors, like I've
seen too many movies where you get knocked down on
the farm people just kick your insides.
Speaker 8 (23:01):
In your head in this is it now.
Speaker 7 (23:04):
So then I came up and I went and I
swung at one of the guys got him in the face,
but then he came and clogged me in the face,
and he got.
Speaker 8 (23:10):
Me in the nose, and when he hit my nose,
it just started pouring blood.
Speaker 7 (23:14):
And at that point that's when kind of everyone just
like kind of backed off. All the protesters just backed off,
and they were like all the blood was pouring out.
So I grabbed my friend and we ran and we
ran inside the parking garage where the car was, and
so we go inside there and I'm thinking, Okay, we
finally made it. And I look around and like, oh
my god, there's like mobs of protesters walking around like
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in groups, and I'm thinking, will this ever stop?
Speaker 8 (23:40):
Now?
Speaker 7 (23:40):
I'm like pouring blood. My shirt's covered with blood. I
run into one of the hotels that's there. They're kicking
us out of the hotel. I'm like, I need to
clean up, Like I need to clean up.
Speaker 8 (23:50):
I have all this blood, and I'm.
Speaker 7 (23:51):
Getting dizzy because I'm losing so much blood. And I
thought we're just going to get out of here.
Speaker 1 (23:55):
He finally made it to his car, but because one
was bleeding pretty bad, his friend got behind the wheel.
Speaker 8 (24:00):
So my friend was driving.
Speaker 7 (24:01):
He got he started driving Mike and as we're leaving,
we can't leave because the cars are stopped and the
parking garage gate is down, and there are other people
that are trying to leave, and all the people are
over the cars, pushing the cars, knocking him. Headlights are
being kicked in, and I'm thinking, how are we getting
out of here?
Speaker 8 (24:20):
And that, And.
Speaker 7 (24:20):
I told my friend, I said, just push the pedal,
just push them all through, go through the gate, because
then they started coming back to us, and I was like,
put and I almost put my foot over and just
slamming on the pedal, But as soon as I was
about to do that, they lifted the gate somehow, and
then we all just took off running out. And as
we're leaving, like the cops are just standing there and
it's like, how is this happening? All I'm looking in
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my head, I'm thinking San Jose Police Apartment absolutely failed.
Speaker 1 (24:45):
Us Wan said he was forced to run through the
gauntlet for maybe twenty minutes, twenty long minutes. Him and
his friend went immediately to the emergency room. He found
out he had a broken nose, concussion, black eyes, bruises everywhere.
They also had to get tetnis shots because of the scrapes.
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After some dodging, our meat luckily made it out okay.
After the attack, wanted a hard time understanding what he'd
just experienced. This was a law noider Republican and he
couldn't quite reconcile how the police could be so close
to the attacks and do nothing.
Speaker 8 (25:22):
Feet away from people getting attacked.
Speaker 7 (25:24):
I mean, they were right there, They knew what was
going on, they could see what was going on, but
they just stood there, well was going on.
Speaker 8 (25:33):
That was the fearful thing of that.
Speaker 7 (25:36):
They're supposed to be there to protect us, and they.
Speaker 8 (25:41):
Weren't doing that.
Speaker 1 (25:42):
The shocking images of Trump supporters being spit on, egged,
hit with objects, and punched within steps of unresponsive police
in rio gear hit the news that night like a
ton of bricks.
Speaker 5 (25:53):
This was one of the most violent scenes I have
ever witnessed at a Trump rally. At times, it seemed
like the police had no control of the situation. People
were getting beat up right in in front of them.
Speaker 8 (26:03):
And these were not classes.
Speaker 5 (26:05):
These were pure attacks. Trump supporters, men, women, even the
elderly left this building last night and walked right into danger.
Speaker 1 (26:13):
Even the liberal mainstream media was shocked, but some actually
question if the Trump supporters did anything to provoke the attacks,
as effect somehow mattered. The next day, the mayor of
San Jose, Samuel Lecardo, a staunch Hillary supporter, attempted to
deflect by blaming the violence on Trump himself.
Speaker 8 (26:31):
First of all, Locardo comes up with a statement.
Speaker 6 (26:34):
The mayor said, quote, at some point, Donald Trump needs
to take responsibility for the irresponsible behavior of his campaign.
Speaker 7 (26:44):
And when I heard that, I thought, Nope, this is
not going to go down. I'm not going to just
sit back and let this happened.
Speaker 1 (26:49):
WANDFA the police report, and when he started working with
law enforcement, he began to see their actions on that
day differently. At least a dozen detectives said that they
were there to protect the attendees but received a stand
down order. According to the police. He says they weren't
allowed to intervene and who gave the standdown order?
Speaker 8 (27:07):
The police chief.
Speaker 1 (27:08):
Wan felt like he finally understood what happened, and his
opinion of the San Jose Police Department changed abruptly. Moving forward,
he no longer blamed the rank and file officers.
Speaker 7 (27:18):
I told the SANESPD because I was working with a
lot of them specifically because of the attack, and I said,
you know, you guys, you guys did the best that
you could do. And they said go after them full
force because they got the standout in order, and they.
Speaker 8 (27:34):
Said, we sign on to protect people. That's why we're
here to protect people. But when you're given a standown order,
you can't do it.
Speaker 1 (27:42):
Juan wanted to file a lawsuit against the city. Lucky
for him, there was someone that was at the rally
that was a lawyer and she wanted to make the
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red pilled America. So while attending a twenty sixteen Trump
rally in San Jose, Juan Hernandez was viciously beaten by
protesters as the San Jose police stood idly by. He
was angry with them, but after working with some of
the rank and file officers, he learned that they wanted
to intervene, but they were given a stand down order
from the city's far left police chief. The rank and
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file officers urged Juan to file a lawsuit. Lucky for
him there was someone at the rally that was a
lawyer and was willing to take on the case. Harmeiat Dylan.
Speaker 3 (29:46):
I personally witnessed the police standing down and watching as
citizens were beaten up, literally hundreds of people running, playing
for their lives, and a violent and angry mob being
allowed to beat them with him unity, and I found
that shocking and appalling, and as a citizen, I felt
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like something needed to be done. And then when we
go home and we start seeing pictures on the news
of people with blood running down their faces, a fourteen
year old child who was assaulted, an elderly lady who
was assaulted, it was clear to me that this was
bigger than just what I had witnessed with my own
two eyes, and that they need to be addressed legally.
Speaker 1 (30:27):
Armie Dillon's law office filed the lawsuit against the City
of San Jose and several of the police supervisors in
charge of the planning and coordinating of law enforcement at
the rally. The lower courts allowed a part of the
case to move forward, but the city appealed the decision.
In April twenty eighteen, the City of San Jose asked
California's Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals to dismiss the lawsuit
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against the supervising police officers, claiming that they had what's
called qualified immunity, a type of immunity that is frequently
given to government officials for any harm caused by their actions.
Speaker 13 (31:01):
May please the court. The officers in this case are
entitled to qualified immunity both because plaintiffs failed to state
below that failed to state a constitutional violation below, and
because under the second prong of the qualified immunity analysis,
no clearly established law would have put these particular officers
on notice that their conduct at the time of the
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Trump rally violated a constitutional right.
Speaker 1 (31:24):
The crux of the case appears to hinge on whether
the actions of the police officers created danger for the
rally attendees, and whether the supervising police officers would be
held responsible for that danger. A judge on the Ninth
Circuit panel explained it this way.
Speaker 12 (31:39):
The argument is, and the allegation of the complaint is,
there was an angry mob waiting at this exit. The
police said, you're going out that excit and we're not
going to let you out the other accent, even though
it's safer that sounds like state created answer to me.
Speaker 1 (31:53):
The lawyers for the City of San Jose tried to
argue that violence comes with the territory of attending a rally.
He argued that Trump supporters had no right to protection
from protesters by the so the actions of the police,
no matter how problematic, should be taken out of the equation.
Speaker 13 (32:07):
The very nature of engaging in speech activity is that
you will face political opponents who may become violent in
their opposition to you. That just adheres in the speech
activity itself. When you take state action out of a
picture here, what you're left with is a group of
people attending a controversial political rally with a candidate that
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is highly controversial in the area where he is speaking.
Those people without police protection cannot plausibly allege that had
the police been absent altogether from that rally, they would
not have faced hostile protesters from any exit that they
left that rally.
Speaker 1 (32:45):
From One of the panel of judges appeared not to
agree with the city's framing of the case.
Speaker 12 (32:51):
But I'm not sure that's the way we're supposed to
look at it. The police are there, they have a
ready mechanism. According to the complaint, may or may not
be true of protecting these people, and they failed to
take advantage of it.
Speaker 1 (33:04):
As with all cases, there are several technical hurdles that
Juan's legal team needs to overcome, but a key point
in the case is whether the actions of the police
officers in charge were so delinquent that it shocks the
conscience of the court, a rather arbitrary standard, meaning that
in order for the court to decide in one's favor,
the judges have to feel that the actions of the
officers were both grossly unjust and the officers knew that
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they were violating the constitutional rights of the rally attendees
Harmit argued that the actions of the police easily met
that threshold.
Speaker 14 (33:36):
Your honors, I think it is clearly established from the
over five hundred paragraphs of detailed allegations in the second
complaint in this matter that the actions in this case
taken by the police, they do shock the conscience. They
did put the plaintiffs in a very dangerous position. There
were alternatives, and it isn't just pointing to a single
door and saying going out that door. The allegations in
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the complaint talk about funneling people a block away and
then forcing them to wars words a crowd of four
hundred protesters. Four hundred. This is not a case where
as the appellant is arguing, plaintiffs asked for it by
going to a rally. They had the right to go
to the rally, and while they don't have the right
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for the police to intervene and prevent the harm that
would be there in an ambient fashion, they absolutely have
the right, according to this Court, and according to numerous
authorities and the Supreme Court as well, that once the
police take an action to put them into danger, once
they put them in harm's way by forcing them to
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take a particular route when other routes were available, and
then by blocking exits, by not allowing them to flee,
by refusing to intervene, by in fact stating in the
earshot of violent protesters that we're not going to do
anything and you have to keep going this way, by
blocking them from reaching their cars at the garage blocks
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away from this protest. These are all actions that the
police took that put the plaintiffs in danger and thereby
created a duty for them to act.
Speaker 1 (35:10):
ARMI then made the argument the supervising police officers should
not be granted immunity and should be held responsible for
their actions.
Speaker 14 (35:18):
What happened here was the police operated almost like a
diosx makana on the gates of Thermopylae, driving people towards
danger in a narrow channel, and then causing that harm
when it was right in front of their eyes. It
wasn't theoretical, it wasn't five blocks away, It wasn't it
might happen. This does shock the conscience, your honor, and
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this is demonstrated by the allegation of the complaint that
six hundred members of the public immediately complained to the
city within days about this. You don't see that in
normal circumstances. And we have to also understand that we're
operating in a system here where if the police give
you orders, we've all seen on television what happens if
you don't follow the police's orders, you go in a
different direction. Your life could be at risk from the police.
So these citizens followed the orders of the police. They
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didn't have a choice, and they were harmed as a result.
And under our well established law here of qualified immunity,
qualified immunity is not available.
Speaker 1 (36:10):
Our meat Dilon won the argument. The appeals court denied
the officer's qualified immunity, but another court would eventually dismiss
charges against San Jose Police Chief Garcia, and the plaintives
would also later drop their case against San Jose Mayor Lecardo.
After a series of court filings and extensive settlement discussions,
the case came to an end in March twenty twenty.
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We dismissed the case earlier this year, stated our meat
Dillon in an e mail to Red Pilled America. As
part of their settlement, the San Jose mayor agreed to
make changes to the police training practices, privately met with
and apologized to Juan Hernandez and other plaintiffs in the suit,
and also issued a public statement that read, in part
quote where we can do better, we will learn and
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improve on our strategies, tactics, and planning with the goal
of achieving safety for all end quote. There was no
financial settlement nor an admission of guilt by the City
of San Jose, but the mayor claims that city authorities
are prosecuting twenty two rioters for the attacks on Trump
rally attendees. Towards the end of my original conversation with
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one I posed a question to him, how did this
event change you at all? Did it make you? How
did you how did you come out of this feeling.
Speaker 3 (37:25):
It it?
Speaker 8 (37:29):
Uh?
Speaker 7 (37:30):
I mean it was already one hundred percent on the
Trump trick. Like it didn't make me more like you,
I couldn't have been more. But it changed my personal
life completely. When you come out as day like you
come out like when I came out, you know, you
tell certain people here and there, you tell your parents,
then you tell your cousins, then you tell your friends,
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and so it's all kind of like at your pace.
With this, it was like everybody found out from one
day to the next, and so it was just this
influx of hate that I got.
Speaker 1 (38:03):
And he has a reason to be upset by being
outed as a Trump supporter by this incident. His hometown
is Silicon Valley, a place that has been openly growing
more and more hostile to rite of center people. Google
has been accused of discriminating against conservative voices within its
employee ranks, and its video sharing site YouTube seems to
demonetize only right wing speech. Facebook has censored conservative voices
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and been accused of throttling traffic to right leaning media.
Even Facebook's founder admits that the company's existence in a
heavily liberal corridor may be problematic.
Speaker 15 (38:36):
All mister Zuckerberger, I will say, there are a great
many Americans who I think are deeply concerned that Facebook
and other tech companies are engaged in a pervasive pattern
of bias and political censorship.
Speaker 6 (38:51):
Senator, let me say a few things about this. First,
I understand where that concern is coming from because Facebook
and the tech industry are located in Silicon Valley, which
is an extremely left leaning place. And this is actually
a concern that I have and that I try to
root out in the company is making sure that we
don't have any bias.
Speaker 1 (39:11):
And to add to the bias online, Silicon Valley authorities
got away with allowing Trump supporters to be pummeled while
law enforcement watched with no punishment. It's hard to imagine
that leaders of the San Jose police force would have
ordered their rank and file officers to stand down while
Hillary supporters were being savagely beaten by neo Nazi thugs.
But that's basically what happened to the Trump rally attendees.
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I remember watching the mob attacks on television that night,
having a temporary chilling effect on me. I'm usually active
around the elections, but I pulled back for a bit.
In twenty sixteen, we raise our daughter in the rapidly
leftist stronghold of Los Angeles. After seeing images of rally
attendees being beaten bloody right in front of the cops
with no consequences, and the liberals around me actually blaming
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Trump and supporters, it made me fear for my daughter's safety.
The San Jose maulings sent the message to the public
that Trump supporters are so heinous they don't even deserve
police protection. They in fact deserve to be beaten. That
message could not have been delivered any more effectively, which
ultimately led me to believe that that was exactly the intention.
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I think Silicon Valley meant to show the world that
the Internet wasn't the only place that they could muzzle
the right, and they'll use any means necessary to do it,
Which leads us back to the question should patriots abandon
major American cities? The answer is, of course, conservatives should
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get the hell out of metropolitan cities, especially ones run
by Democrats. And why well, what Juan Hernandez versus the
city of San Jose shows us is that police officers
in a liberal city can sit back and watch law
enforcement loving conservatives be pummeled by an angry leftist mob
and there be no repercussions, no punishment for the liberal
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police chief, nor the leftist mayor that allegedly let it happen,
not even when the beatings are caught on camera for
the whole world to see. And if you think things
have changed since twenty sixteen when Juan Hernandez, a gay conservative,
was bloodied by the far left mob, you must be
living under a rock.
Speaker 4 (41:30):
And it was a frightening scene in San Jose tonight
as a car drove into the crowd, appearing to seriously
injure one person. It came at the end of a
day full of demonstrations featuring multiple confrontations between protesters and police.
Speaker 2 (41:48):
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it first aired.
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Now onto the show.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
Mayors all across America have lost control of their cities
to the far left mob.
Speaker 3 (01:34):
They're on my car. We can't do anything, ma'am.
Speaker 4 (01:37):
The city told us that this is a station event.
Speaker 5 (01:39):
Oh they're off my car.
Speaker 6 (01:41):
They're off my car, and I got a little girl
in the car flying.
Speaker 3 (01:44):
Are you kidding me?
Speaker 5 (01:45):
If this country doesn't give us what we want, then
we will burn down this system and replace it all right.
Speaker 7 (01:52):
Leaving the precinct was not my decision. You fought for
days to protect it.
Speaker 8 (01:57):
Ultimately, the city had other plans for the building.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
With officers unable to enforce the law and a metropolis
near you, it begs the question should patriots abandon major
American cities.
Speaker 2 (02:13):
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and we promise only one thing, the truth. Welcome to
red Pilled America. It's become clear that mayors of democratic
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strongholds like Los Angeles, New York City, Minneapolis, Chicago, Seattle, Atlanta, Baltimore,
and Washington, d c D have completely lost control of
their streets. The far left mob has been able to
take over blocks of major metropolitan areas and has even
burned down a police precinct with almost no resistance by
law enforcement. With the mayhem continuing in a city near you,
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it begs the question should patriots abandon major American cities
to find the answer. We're revisiting one of our very
first episodes, a twenty sixteen story about a man that
was forced through an angry far left mob by the police.
His ugly ordeal quietly came to an end in March
twenty twenty, and the result sends a clear message to
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law and order Americans all over the country, surrounded on
three sides by mountains and on the fourth by the Bay.
San Jose is the cultural and political center of one
of the most storied corporate enclaves in the world, Silicon Valley,
being home to the masters of the Internet. The county
is one of the richest in the world and markets
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itself as the most innovative place on the planet. But
Silicon Valley is quickly becoming an epicenter of intolerance, a
development that hit one of its homegrown citizens hard in
twenty sixteen. Literally raised in Silicon Valley, Juan Hernandez is
a soft spoken, thin young man with a small frame.
His family has been in America, dating back to his
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great grandparents, who immigrated to the States from Mexico.
Speaker 7 (04:26):
It was like during the Revolution. I think that they
all kind of came here at the same time.
Speaker 1 (04:30):
Demographically, Wan is a lot in common with the stereotypical
citizen of the area. He's Latino. The area has almost
double the national average at thirty three percent. He's openly gay,
not uncommon living in the shadow of San Francisco. But
the narrative breaks apart there because Wan is a Republican
that supports Trump's immigration policies.
Speaker 7 (04:50):
I completely support the Wall. I like immigration. I like
legal immigration a lot. I just don't like illegal yeatch immigration.
Speaker 1 (05:01):
Given his families belief, he could have gone either way politically.
Speaker 8 (05:05):
Half of them are conservatives, half of them are liberal.
Speaker 7 (05:08):
Like within my immediate family, my mom is staunch chillery
like Hillary could have done the worst humanly thing possible,
more so than she's already done, and my mom will
still stand by her side.
Speaker 8 (05:20):
And my dad is a little bit more well, he's conservative.
Speaker 7 (05:25):
Some of us have the conservatives because of the religious
aspect of it and because of the family values.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
For the most part, his family has had healthy, if
sometimes heated discussions about politics. Wang got politically active during
California's debate over same sex marriage at the turn of
the century, advocating at the time for the LGBT community's
right to marry. That said, because where he grew up,
he learned to keep his politics to himself.
Speaker 7 (05:50):
I never talked about politics with anyone, like at work
or with friends. I just never did because I knew
that I was in a minority, because I was a
conservative and everyone else I knew it was liberal.
Speaker 1 (06:03):
When the twenty sixteen election came along. He initially liked
Marco Rubio and Carly Fiorina, but as the Republican primary
started to wind down, he jumped on the chump train
with both feet and wanted to come out and support
his candidate.
Speaker 7 (06:15):
He came to the California GOP conference that we had
in May of twenty sixteen, and when I was going
to it, I couldn't see him at lunch. I saw
a casic at dinner, but I saw all of the
chaos that was happening over there.
Speaker 9 (06:32):
All right, now, we're looking at something incredibly unusual. I
think the motorcade carrying Donald Trump arrived.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
But because of all the.
Speaker 9 (06:41):
Protesters were out in front, they circled around and went
to the backside of the building and Donald Trump literally
had to jump down from one of the barricades.
Speaker 7 (06:53):
And all of the riots, and he had a sneak
inside through a sideway. So when he came to San Jose,
I knew that I wanted to see him because I
was sorry that I had missed him and earl game,
and so I knew everything was going to be happening,
Like I knew that there was going to be a
lot of protesters. I knew that they were going to
be out in full force, and so, but I thought,
you know, I still should I still want to support him,
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just because the protesters are there. You know, I don't
think anything will happen to us because we'll be protected.
Speaker 1 (07:20):
One thinking he'd be safe wasn't a silly notion.
Speaker 10 (07:23):
I believe we have one of the most professional police
departments in the nation.
Speaker 1 (07:26):
San Jose Police Chief Eddie Garcia issued a statement the
day before the June tewid Trump rally that read, in
part quote, the San Jose Police Department recognizes and respects
everyone's right to express their First Amendment, and we will
do everything possible to ensure the event is safe for
all attendees and surrounding neighborhoods end quote.
Speaker 8 (07:45):
See.
Speaker 1 (07:45):
Trump supporters had a reason to believe the San Jose
PD had their back, but what the public wasn't aware
of was that there was a last minute adjustment to
how the police would approach violent protesters at Trump's rally,
an adjustment that changed everything for decades, dating back to
the end of World War II, the presidential vote in
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Silicon Valley, officially Santa Clara County, bounced between parties, sometimes
going Democrat, but more often going Republican. Up through the
nineteen eighty four election, or fifty five percent voted for
Ronald Reagan. But since the nineteen eighty six amnesty, the
Republican Party's fortunes drastically changed in the area. Two years later,
fifty one percent voted for the Democrat Ducaucus, and the
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vote has gone strongly Democrat ever since. In twenty sixteen,
a wopping seventy three percent voted for Hillary Clinton. Aside
from now being a deep Blue stronghold, Silicon Valley also
has the highest estimated population of non citizens of any
county in California, and the third highest in the nation.
Speaker 10 (08:48):
It's with great honor that I stand before you today.
I want to personally thank the city manager and city
council for selecting me and confirming me this morning.
Speaker 1 (08:56):
San Jose Police Chief Eddie Garcia appears to have benefited
from this political and demographic shift. Born in Puerto Rico,
it came to San Jose as a young boy that
couldn't speak English. He entered the force at the age
of twenty one and rose up to the top cop
spot just three months before the Trump rally.
Speaker 11 (09:12):
Simplementa Sina The chief often taps his Latino roots and
was a regular participant in a group called Larasa Roundtable
de California.
Speaker 1 (09:24):
A local outfit whose goal is to bring together community
leaders that can quote impact positive change for Larasa or
the race. So a presidential candidate traveling through town with
a promise of stronger immigration enforcement wouldn't have aligned well
with the position of the large non citizen population of
San Jose or Larasa, who would publicly label Candidate Trump's
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campaign statements as racist when given the opportunity. For some
Chief Grisia's involvement with the group would put into question
his decision making for the Trump rally. Initially, the San
Jose Police Department's public statement regarding the upcoming Trump rally
in included a direct warning to troublemakers, stating, quote, we
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are taking a zero tolerance approach to violent protesters end quote.
The advisory went on to say, quote, we will utilize
all resources within the department and through mutual aid to
ensure a safe event for everyone end quote. But just
fifteen minutes before the statement went public, Chief Grasia deleted
all mention of a zero tolerance approach to violent protesters,
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as well as the claim that the city would use
outside resources to ensure a safe event. By eliminating this
forceful language, on its face, it appeared the San Jose
PD was signaling a different approach altogether, one Trump's supporters
would see play out in graphic form. On the afternoon
of June second, Juan picked up a friend and drove
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to the Trump rally at the San Jose Convention Center.
Actually it was more than just Juan's friend. Did you
go by yourself or did you go with somebody?
Speaker 7 (10:56):
Or he went with a friend? Okay, yeah, it's kind
of like almost our first day.
Speaker 1 (11:01):
Gotcha, what's their trumpro And he was a writer, center.
Speaker 8 (11:05):
Guy, libertarian right though waste was.
Speaker 1 (11:10):
He Trump supporter at the time.
Speaker 8 (11:14):
Trump.
Speaker 1 (11:15):
When the two drove up to the rally, they didn't
really see any protesters. They parked in a garage that
was attached to the convention center and came out of
the lot right next to the venue.
Speaker 7 (11:24):
So when we came out, you go right and you
take a few steps, and that's the entrance of where
he was holding the rally.
Speaker 8 (11:34):
So when we come out, you know, there wasn't really
much happening.
Speaker 1 (11:38):
Once that he could see a few protesters near the
vendors that were selling items, but they were your guarden
variety type calm unions with their coalitions channing various things, so.
Speaker 7 (11:47):
There wasn't really much protesting going on. Everything was cool,
everything was great. Bought some of the gear from the
clothing were wearing a walking through the street to the
convention center back to it and there were no problems
at all.
Speaker 8 (12:02):
Got some but there weren't any problems.
Speaker 1 (12:04):
With their new be purchased MAGA gear. They had arrived
two gay Trump supporters on their first real date together,
looking to find people that accepted them for who they were,
for what they believed in. When they walked into the rally,
it was everything that Juan was hoping for.
Speaker 12 (12:21):
Thank you Latinas for Trump. That's what I love that Latina.
Speaker 7 (12:28):
And then you go inside and it was like it
was it was incredible.
Speaker 12 (12:34):
The Hispanics really love the histritics.
Speaker 7 (12:37):
Here everybody, So it was an incredible feeling to like
walk in and think here we are, like we can
be who we want to be right now and everyone
here in San Jose, these are the people.
Speaker 8 (12:49):
Wow, like we exist here.
Speaker 7 (12:51):
Like there are other Republicans, other Trump supporters and this
large quantity of people, and so it was really awesome
to feel that in San Jose.
Speaker 8 (13:01):
And he was awesome. Of course when he was talking,
he got crowd going. The crowd was pumped up, and.
Speaker 9 (13:06):
We are going to start winning again.
Speaker 5 (13:10):
We're gonna win in so many different ways.
Speaker 8 (13:13):
You're gonna be begging me. You're gonna be so upset.
Speaker 10 (13:16):
You're gonna be saying, mister President, we're winning too much, sir.
Speaker 8 (13:20):
We don't want to win so much.
Speaker 7 (13:22):
There was a Bernie's Center supporter in there and he
had a sign and he put his sign up and
started yelling something and everyone starts chanting, you know, USA, USA,
going back to him, and Trump came out and he
was just like stop, like let this guy do it,
you know, let him do what he wants to do.
Speaker 1 (13:42):
It's all right, that's up.
Speaker 11 (13:45):
Now leave him alone.
Speaker 2 (13:47):
We gotta be nice.
Speaker 8 (13:49):
Don't forget. Don't forget.
Speaker 3 (13:53):
The only one I hear.
Speaker 4 (13:54):
At you people, I don't hear him. All right, don't
hurt him.
Speaker 7 (14:03):
And it was really coolse life, Wow, that was cool.
Like he didn't try and stop him. He's like, keep
your pretty side, little sign up.
Speaker 1 (14:11):
So Wan was having the time of his life at
the San Jose Trump rally. But it must have been
strange as well. Here he was a gay Latino man
living in the shadow of San Francisco, in the heart
of uber liberal, uber Hispanic Silicon Valley, and of all things,
it was a Trump rally that made him feel connected
to like minded people. That's odd given the narrative is
that the media feeds us. So the event wraps up
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and it's time to head out for one it seemed
like it was going to be a quick trek to
his car. I mean, he'd parked in the garage connected
to the convention center, which was steps away from one
of the entrances. When he arrived, there weren't many protesters outside.
It was going to be easy, peasy, right wrong.
Speaker 7 (14:49):
So we walk out and we walk out and there's
a lot of law enforcement that we're standing there, guiding
us and to what we thought was the safe way.
Speaker 8 (14:59):
You know, law enforcement, you trust them.
Speaker 1 (15:02):
That's a pretty standard sentiment for conservatives, the respect and
trust law enforcement almost unconditionally.
Speaker 3 (15:08):
Well, I was actually at this rally as a supporter
of Donald Trump for president.
Speaker 1 (15:14):
That's our meat. Dylan, a San Francisco native.
Speaker 3 (15:17):
Most conservatives are brought up to believe that the authorities
are there to keep the peace and are at least
going to be neutral.
Speaker 7 (15:24):
So as we're exiting, it was like, okay, well, there's
the door that we just came out of from the
parking garage, and we told the cop can we go
in there? This is all we're apart and there are
other people saying the same thing, and he said, no,
you can't go this way.
Speaker 8 (15:36):
It's locked.
Speaker 7 (15:37):
You have to go around the other way. Whether the
police are leading you or so.
Speaker 1 (15:41):
You were, you trying to leave the same place that
you came in.
Speaker 7 (15:45):
Right, so, the same door that we came out. We
wanted to go back in that door because our car
was literally right there, and there were other people who
had the same thing, but they said no, and so
we thought, okay, well we'll protect.
Speaker 8 (15:57):
We're surrounded by the cops.
Speaker 1 (15:58):
Our meat received the same police order.
Speaker 3 (16:01):
There were people like myself and others who asked if
we could go in a different direction. We were not
allowed to go in a different direction.
Speaker 7 (16:08):
But they said no, and so we thought, okay, well
we'll protect we're surrounded by the cops.
Speaker 8 (16:17):
Because at that point that's when you can see all
the protesters out were there?
Speaker 7 (16:20):
Those were the protesters were You could tell that those
were going to be the violent ones. And the cops
are like facing us, and I'm like, why isn't you
facing them, Like we're republic we don't do that, Like
you need to be facing them, watching if they're going
to come and attack us. And they weren't responding anyway.
So they let us down this path.
Speaker 1 (16:40):
Picture this maga hat wearing Trump voters, staunch, staunch supporters
of law enforcement, some parents with their kids, some grandparents,
being directed down a single path by the people they
have been raised to trust, people they have been raised
to obey, all with the sound of hostile protesters getting
louder and more unhinged.
Speaker 3 (16:59):
One of the things I'll never forget about this is
that as these supporters and citizens were walking out of
the event and there's a blue line, all of us
were saying blue lives matter, thanking them for their service
and appreciating them for being there to keep us safe.
Little did we know that as we turned the corner
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we were going to be forced into a mob.
Speaker 7 (17:22):
So they let us down this path, and all of
a sudden they were no longer there, and they let
us literally right into the heart of the protesters just
like left us. And then the next part was it
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was really hard walking through because I had never seen
anything like it ever, where people are just getting attact.
They're getting You could see them protesters is running and
diving on people, jumping on people, taking them down, chasing people,
grabbing their hats, burning burning American flags, and you know,
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to a patriot like me, to all of us seeing
the American flag burning, it was like what is going on?
Speaker 8 (18:13):
Like where are we right now?
Speaker 7 (18:15):
And and it was really tough to see.
Speaker 8 (18:20):
Like other humans, but especially these people that.
Speaker 7 (18:25):
You have this connection with, this bond with, like seeing
them get slaughtered. It's like the comps are around there
and they're not doing anything.
Speaker 8 (18:33):
It was like Armageddon running through that.
Speaker 7 (18:36):
It's like God, Like, if this isn't, please God, just
come and pick me up and take me, because it's like,
that's I think how Armageddon is going to look.
Speaker 1 (18:44):
They had found themselves led right into the hands of
not just their political opponents, but a violent enemy, and
they were led to them by people they unquestionably trusted,
the police. Hearing the story reminded me of a rarely
discussed hurting tactic that I read about recently. Meat packing
plants sometimes use a devious method to lead sheep into
an area they don't want to go into for some reason,
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whether because they are too smart, or naturally skeptical, or
any number of other reasons. Sheep are a bit more
resistant than other livestock and being herded by humans, and
can't be easily led to the part of a slaughter
house where they are well slaughtered, So some meat packing
plants have devised a rather sinister scheme. They train a
goat to become friends with the flock. When the sheep
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appear to be comfortable with their new horned buddy, the
goat walks down the pass, up the ramp, and into
the slaughterhouse, with the sheep following their trusted friend the
entire way. When the goat gets to his final destination,
he's taken to the side and given a treat a cigarette.
No seriously, the meat packers get the goat addicted to
nicotine in return for directing the sheep to their death.
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This devious leader of the flock is called a Judas goat,
given the name after Judas Iscariot, the disciple of Jesus
that sold him out for a few pieces of silver.
I'm not saying that the San Jose Police Department was
one big Judas goat on that day, but hearing this story,
she reminded me of that little talked about slaughterhouse tactic.
In the moment, one was shocked by the actions of
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the police, and it wasn't long until he could tell
that he was going to be facing the mob on
his own.
Speaker 7 (20:17):
And you can see them there just watching, not an contentment,
but that they were just sitting there watching. And so
it was like, okay, and there's points where you want
to help the people who are getting them choked, but
you know that if you start helping them, you're just
going to get attacked also. And based on all of
the people that all the officers that were setting mind,
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they weren't going to help.
Speaker 1 (20:40):
Then the mob heard something from the San Jose police
that made them pounce even harder on the Trump supporters.
Speaker 2 (20:49):
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Speaker 1 (21:03):
Welcome back to red pilled America. So the San Jose
police herded Trump supporters into a violent anti Trump mob,
and then they stood on the sidelines is the mob
began pummeling on the rally attendees.
Speaker 3 (21:16):
One of the mobs people who was beating up an
elderly lady, heard the police say I'm sorry, I can't
do anything about this, and then yelled to their supporters
they're not going to intervene, and then the violence became
even worse. The fact that they were there and not
taking action actually emboldened some of the criminals.
Speaker 7 (21:36):
So it was like, Okay, we've got to just make
it to a car and then we'll figure it out
at that point. So we're running and we turned the
corner where our car is.
Speaker 8 (21:44):
There's like a.
Speaker 7 (21:45):
Another mob of people and we're walking like with them,
And as I look around, I'm like, oh, like, these
are other protesters that are here right now, like walking
with us, and they're realizing that we're walking with them
also because this is another section, and they're making eye
contact with my friend and I and it like because
we had our hats on our make America Greater gain
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hats and carrying our signs and then at that point
I made eye contact with one of the.
Speaker 8 (22:12):
One of the protesters.
Speaker 7 (22:13):
He's carrying a Mexican flag, and he looked at me
and he like, I was like, what the are you doing?
Speaker 8 (22:20):
And I was like, oh God, here we go. This
is our time now. So I had a small amount
of video.
Speaker 7 (22:26):
But then when they started walking to us, I thought, Okay,
this is it, Like this is our turn now.
Speaker 8 (22:30):
So a bunch of them surrounded us. There are about
five guys that surrounded us.
Speaker 7 (22:33):
And when they surrounded us, they went up to my
friend and they pushed them. And then that's when we
just started getting hit from all the directions.
Speaker 8 (22:42):
And there was a point that when I went down
kind of.
Speaker 7 (22:44):
Just to protect myself, like in a fetal position, and
I was sitting there, I can just feel the blows
coming in from all the directions, and like the adrenaline
is just pumping, and I remember thinking, I Am not
going to get knocked down on the floors, like I've
seen too many movies where you get knocked down on
the farm people just kick your insides.
Speaker 8 (23:01):
In your head in this is it now.
Speaker 7 (23:04):
So then I came up and I went and I
swung at one of the guys got him in the face,
but then he came and clogged me in the face,
and he got.
Speaker 8 (23:10):
Me in the nose, and when he hit my nose,
it just started pouring blood.
Speaker 7 (23:14):
And at that point that's when kind of everyone just
like kind of backed off. All the protesters just backed off,
and they were like all the blood was pouring out.
So I grabbed my friend and we ran and we
ran inside the parking garage where the car was, and
so we go inside there and I'm thinking, Okay, we
finally made it. And I look around and like, oh
my god, there's like mobs of protesters walking around like
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in groups, and I'm thinking, will this ever stop?
Speaker 8 (23:40):
Now?
Speaker 7 (23:40):
I'm like pouring blood. My shirt's covered with blood. I
run into one of the hotels that's there. They're kicking
us out of the hotel. I'm like, I need to
clean up, Like I need to clean up.
Speaker 8 (23:50):
I have all this blood, and I'm.
Speaker 7 (23:51):
Getting dizzy because I'm losing so much blood. And I
thought we're just going to get out of here.
Speaker 1 (23:55):
He finally made it to his car, but because one
was bleeding pretty bad, his friend got behind the wheel.
Speaker 8 (24:00):
So my friend was driving.
Speaker 7 (24:01):
He got he started driving Mike and as we're leaving,
we can't leave because the cars are stopped and the
parking garage gate is down, and there are other people
that are trying to leave, and all the people are
over the cars, pushing the cars, knocking him. Headlights are
being kicked in, and I'm thinking, how are we getting
out of here?
Speaker 8 (24:20):
And that, And.
Speaker 7 (24:20):
I told my friend, I said, just push the pedal,
just push them all through, go through the gate, because
then they started coming back to us, and I was like,
put and I almost put my foot over and just
slamming on the pedal, But as soon as I was
about to do that, they lifted the gate somehow, and
then we all just took off running out. And as
we're leaving, like the cops are just standing there and
it's like, how is this happening? All I'm looking in
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my head, I'm thinking San Jose Police Apartment absolutely failed.
Speaker 1 (24:45):
Us Wan said he was forced to run through the
gauntlet for maybe twenty minutes, twenty long minutes. Him and
his friend went immediately to the emergency room. He found
out he had a broken nose, concussion, black eyes, bruises everywhere.
They also had to get tetnis shots because of the scrapes.
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After some dodging, our meat luckily made it out okay.
After the attack, wanted a hard time understanding what he'd
just experienced. This was a law noider Republican and he
couldn't quite reconcile how the police could be so close
to the attacks and do nothing.
Speaker 8 (25:22):
Feet away from people getting attacked.
Speaker 7 (25:24):
I mean, they were right there, They knew what was
going on, they could see what was going on, but
they just stood there, well was going on.
Speaker 8 (25:33):
That was the fearful thing of that.
Speaker 7 (25:36):
They're supposed to be there to protect us, and they.
Speaker 8 (25:41):
Weren't doing that.
Speaker 1 (25:42):
The shocking images of Trump supporters being spit on, egged,
hit with objects, and punched within steps of unresponsive police
in rio gear hit the news that night like a
ton of bricks.
Speaker 5 (25:53):
This was one of the most violent scenes I have
ever witnessed at a Trump rally. At times, it seemed
like the police had no control of the situation. People
were getting beat up right in in front of them.
Speaker 8 (26:03):
And these were not classes.
Speaker 5 (26:05):
These were pure attacks. Trump supporters, men, women, even the
elderly left this building last night and walked right into danger.
Speaker 1 (26:13):
Even the liberal mainstream media was shocked, but some actually
question if the Trump supporters did anything to provoke the attacks,
as effect somehow mattered. The next day, the mayor of
San Jose, Samuel Lecardo, a staunch Hillary supporter, attempted to
deflect by blaming the violence on Trump himself.
Speaker 8 (26:31):
First of all, Locardo comes up with a statement.
Speaker 6 (26:34):
The mayor said, quote, at some point, Donald Trump needs
to take responsibility for the irresponsible behavior of his campaign.
Speaker 7 (26:44):
And when I heard that, I thought, Nope, this is
not going to go down. I'm not going to just
sit back and let this happened.
Speaker 1 (26:49):
WANDFA the police report, and when he started working with
law enforcement, he began to see their actions on that
day differently. At least a dozen detectives said that they
were there to protect the attendees but received a stand
down order. According to the police. He says they weren't
allowed to intervene and who gave the standdown order?
Speaker 8 (27:07):
The police chief.
Speaker 1 (27:08):
Wan felt like he finally understood what happened, and his
opinion of the San Jose Police Department changed abruptly. Moving forward,
he no longer blamed the rank and file officers.
Speaker 7 (27:18):
I told the SANESPD because I was working with a
lot of them specifically because of the attack, and I said,
you know, you guys, you guys did the best that
you could do. And they said go after them full
force because they got the standout in order, and they.
Speaker 8 (27:34):
Said, we sign on to protect people. That's why we're
here to protect people. But when you're given a standown order,
you can't do it.
Speaker 1 (27:42):
Juan wanted to file a lawsuit against the city. Lucky
for him, there was someone that was at the rally
that was a lawyer and she wanted to make the
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red pilled America. So while attending a twenty sixteen Trump
rally in San Jose, Juan Hernandez was viciously beaten by
protesters as the San Jose police stood idly by. He
was angry with them, but after working with some of
the rank and file officers, he learned that they wanted
to intervene, but they were given a stand down order
from the city's far left police chief. The rank and
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file officers urged Juan to file a lawsuit. Lucky for
him there was someone at the rally that was a
lawyer and was willing to take on the case. Harmeiat Dylan.
Speaker 3 (29:46):
I personally witnessed the police standing down and watching as
citizens were beaten up, literally hundreds of people running, playing
for their lives, and a violent and angry mob being
allowed to beat them with him unity, and I found
that shocking and appalling, and as a citizen, I felt
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like something needed to be done. And then when we
go home and we start seeing pictures on the news
of people with blood running down their faces, a fourteen
year old child who was assaulted, an elderly lady who
was assaulted, it was clear to me that this was
bigger than just what I had witnessed with my own
two eyes, and that they need to be addressed legally.
Speaker 1 (30:27):
Armie Dillon's law office filed the lawsuit against the City
of San Jose and several of the police supervisors in
charge of the planning and coordinating of law enforcement at
the rally. The lower courts allowed a part of the
case to move forward, but the city appealed the decision.
In April twenty eighteen, the City of San Jose asked
California's Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals to dismiss the lawsuit
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against the supervising police officers, claiming that they had what's
called qualified immunity, a type of immunity that is frequently
given to government officials for any harm caused by their actions.
Speaker 13 (31:01):
May please the court. The officers in this case are
entitled to qualified immunity both because plaintiffs failed to state
below that failed to state a constitutional violation below, and
because under the second prong of the qualified immunity analysis,
no clearly established law would have put these particular officers
on notice that their conduct at the time of the
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Trump rally violated a constitutional right.
Speaker 1 (31:24):
The crux of the case appears to hinge on whether
the actions of the police officers created danger for the
rally attendees, and whether the supervising police officers would be
held responsible for that danger. A judge on the Ninth
Circuit panel explained it this way.
Speaker 12 (31:39):
The argument is, and the allegation of the complaint is,
there was an angry mob waiting at this exit. The
police said, you're going out that excit and we're not
going to let you out the other accent, even though
it's safer that sounds like state created answer to me.
Speaker 1 (31:53):
The lawyers for the City of San Jose tried to
argue that violence comes with the territory of attending a rally.
He argued that Trump supporters had no right to protection
from protesters by the so the actions of the police,
no matter how problematic, should be taken out of the equation.
Speaker 13 (32:07):
The very nature of engaging in speech activity is that
you will face political opponents who may become violent in
their opposition to you. That just adheres in the speech
activity itself. When you take state action out of a
picture here, what you're left with is a group of
people attending a controversial political rally with a candidate that
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is highly controversial in the area where he is speaking.
Those people without police protection cannot plausibly allege that had
the police been absent altogether from that rally, they would
not have faced hostile protesters from any exit that they
left that rally.
Speaker 1 (32:45):
From One of the panel of judges appeared not to
agree with the city's framing of the case.
Speaker 12 (32:51):
But I'm not sure that's the way we're supposed to
look at it. The police are there, they have a
ready mechanism. According to the complaint, may or may not
be true of protecting these people, and they failed to
take advantage of it.
Speaker 1 (33:04):
As with all cases, there are several technical hurdles that
Juan's legal team needs to overcome, but a key point
in the case is whether the actions of the police
officers in charge were so delinquent that it shocks the
conscience of the court, a rather arbitrary standard, meaning that
in order for the court to decide in one's favor,
the judges have to feel that the actions of the
officers were both grossly unjust and the officers knew that
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they were violating the constitutional rights of the rally attendees
Harmit argued that the actions of the police easily met
that threshold.
Speaker 14 (33:36):
Your honors, I think it is clearly established from the
over five hundred paragraphs of detailed allegations in the second
complaint in this matter that the actions in this case
taken by the police, they do shock the conscience. They
did put the plaintiffs in a very dangerous position. There
were alternatives, and it isn't just pointing to a single
door and saying going out that door. The allegations in
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the complaint talk about funneling people a block away and
then forcing them to wars words a crowd of four
hundred protesters. Four hundred. This is not a case where
as the appellant is arguing, plaintiffs asked for it by
going to a rally. They had the right to go
to the rally, and while they don't have the right
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for the police to intervene and prevent the harm that
would be there in an ambient fashion, they absolutely have
the right, according to this Court, and according to numerous
authorities and the Supreme Court as well, that once the
police take an action to put them into danger, once
they put them in harm's way by forcing them to
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take a particular route when other routes were available, and
then by blocking exits, by not allowing them to flee,
by refusing to intervene, by in fact stating in the
earshot of violent protesters that we're not going to do
anything and you have to keep going this way, by
blocking them from reaching their cars at the garage blocks
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away from this protest. These are all actions that the
police took that put the plaintiffs in danger and thereby
created a duty for them to act.
Speaker 1 (35:10):
ARMI then made the argument the supervising police officers should
not be granted immunity and should be held responsible for
their actions.
Speaker 14 (35:18):
What happened here was the police operated almost like a
diosx makana on the gates of Thermopylae, driving people towards
danger in a narrow channel, and then causing that harm
when it was right in front of their eyes. It
wasn't theoretical, it wasn't five blocks away, It wasn't it
might happen. This does shock the conscience, your honor, and
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this is demonstrated by the allegation of the complaint that
six hundred members of the public immediately complained to the
city within days about this. You don't see that in
normal circumstances. And we have to also understand that we're
operating in a system here where if the police give
you orders, we've all seen on television what happens if
you don't follow the police's orders, you go in a
different direction. Your life could be at risk from the police.
So these citizens followed the orders of the police. They
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didn't have a choice, and they were harmed as a result.
And under our well established law here of qualified immunity,
qualified immunity is not available.
Speaker 1 (36:10):
Our meat Dilon won the argument. The appeals court denied
the officer's qualified immunity, but another court would eventually dismiss
charges against San Jose Police Chief Garcia, and the plaintives
would also later drop their case against San Jose Mayor Lecardo.
After a series of court filings and extensive settlement discussions,
the case came to an end in March twenty twenty.
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We dismissed the case earlier this year, stated our meat
Dillon in an e mail to Red Pilled America. As
part of their settlement, the San Jose mayor agreed to
make changes to the police training practices, privately met with
and apologized to Juan Hernandez and other plaintiffs in the suit,
and also issued a public statement that read, in part
quote where we can do better, we will learn and
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improve on our strategies, tactics, and planning with the goal
of achieving safety for all end quote. There was no
financial settlement nor an admission of guilt by the City
of San Jose, but the mayor claims that city authorities
are prosecuting twenty two rioters for the attacks on Trump
rally attendees. Towards the end of my original conversation with
(37:15):
one I posed a question to him, how did this
event change you at all? Did it make you? How
did you how did you come out of this feeling.
Speaker 3 (37:25):
It it?
Speaker 8 (37:29):
Uh?
Speaker 7 (37:30):
I mean it was already one hundred percent on the
Trump trick. Like it didn't make me more like you,
I couldn't have been more. But it changed my personal
life completely. When you come out as day like you
come out like when I came out, you know, you
tell certain people here and there, you tell your parents,
then you tell your cousins, then you tell your friends,
(37:51):
and so it's all kind of like at your pace.
With this, it was like everybody found out from one
day to the next, and so it was just this
influx of hate that I got.
Speaker 1 (38:03):
And he has a reason to be upset by being
outed as a Trump supporter by this incident. His hometown
is Silicon Valley, a place that has been openly growing
more and more hostile to rite of center people. Google
has been accused of discriminating against conservative voices within its
employee ranks, and its video sharing site YouTube seems to
demonetize only right wing speech. Facebook has censored conservative voices
(38:26):
and been accused of throttling traffic to right leaning media.
Even Facebook's founder admits that the company's existence in a
heavily liberal corridor may be problematic.
Speaker 15 (38:36):
All mister Zuckerberger, I will say, there are a great
many Americans who I think are deeply concerned that Facebook
and other tech companies are engaged in a pervasive pattern
of bias and political censorship.
Speaker 6 (38:51):
Senator, let me say a few things about this. First,
I understand where that concern is coming from because Facebook
and the tech industry are located in Silicon Valley, which
is an extremely left leaning place. And this is actually
a concern that I have and that I try to
root out in the company is making sure that we
don't have any bias.
Speaker 1 (39:11):
And to add to the bias online, Silicon Valley authorities
got away with allowing Trump supporters to be pummeled while
law enforcement watched with no punishment. It's hard to imagine
that leaders of the San Jose police force would have
ordered their rank and file officers to stand down while
Hillary supporters were being savagely beaten by neo Nazi thugs.
But that's basically what happened to the Trump rally attendees.
(39:39):
I remember watching the mob attacks on television that night,
having a temporary chilling effect on me. I'm usually active
around the elections, but I pulled back for a bit.
In twenty sixteen, we raise our daughter in the rapidly
leftist stronghold of Los Angeles. After seeing images of rally
attendees being beaten bloody right in front of the cops
with no consequences, and the liberals around me actually blaming
(40:02):
Trump and supporters, it made me fear for my daughter's safety.
The San Jose maulings sent the message to the public
that Trump supporters are so heinous they don't even deserve
police protection. They in fact deserve to be beaten. That
message could not have been delivered any more effectively, which
ultimately led me to believe that that was exactly the intention.
(40:24):
I think Silicon Valley meant to show the world that
the Internet wasn't the only place that they could muzzle
the right, and they'll use any means necessary to do it,
Which leads us back to the question should patriots abandon
major American cities? The answer is, of course, conservatives should
(40:51):
get the hell out of metropolitan cities, especially ones run
by Democrats. And why well, what Juan Hernandez versus the
city of San Jose shows us is that police officers
in a liberal city can sit back and watch law
enforcement loving conservatives be pummeled by an angry leftist mob
and there be no repercussions, no punishment for the liberal
(41:12):
police chief, nor the leftist mayor that allegedly let it happen,
not even when the beatings are caught on camera for
the whole world to see. And if you think things
have changed since twenty sixteen when Juan Hernandez, a gay conservative,
was bloodied by the far left mob, you must be
living under a rock.
Speaker 4 (41:30):
And it was a frightening scene in San Jose tonight
as a car drove into the crowd, appearing to seriously
injure one person. It came at the end of a
day full of demonstrations featuring multiple confrontations between protesters and police.
Speaker 2 (41:48):
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