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save America one story at a time. Now on with
the show. Previously on Red Pilled America.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
Was Ida Maxie Wells really the target of the break in?
Speaker 3 (00:37):
Martinez was given by mister Hutt and Max.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
Someone else was directing the break in team, not g
Gordon Liddy.
Speaker 4 (00:43):
John Dean said his exact words were that everyone will
be taken care of.
Speaker 1 (00:47):
John Dean began running a cover up.
Speaker 4 (00:49):
You're a lawyer, that you're obstructing justice.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
The scandal did breach into the White House, and it
crept in through John Dean himself.
Speaker 4 (00:57):
The reason the burglars went into the Watergate was because
that's where they could find records of visits by prominent
Demica adds to the prostitution ring.
Speaker 5 (01:04):
Who ordered Patergate then John Deane.
Speaker 6 (01:07):
According to The evidence that I developed and the research
that I conducted is the most logical answers.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
Why are Hollywood and the media so obsessed with Nixon?
Speaker 2 (01:17):
I'm Patrick Carrelci and I'm Adriana Cortez.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
And this is Red Pilled America, a storytelling show.
Speaker 2 (01:25):
This is not another talk show covering the day's news.
We are all about telling stories.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
Stories. Hollywood doesn't want you to hear stories.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
The media marks stories about everyday Americans if the globalist ignore.
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You could think of Red Pilled America as audio documentaries,
and we promise only one thing, the truth. Welcome to
Red Pilled America. We're at part eight of our series
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of episodes titled The Fighter. If you haven't heard the
previous episodes, stop and go back and listen from the beginning.
We're looking for the answer to the question why are
the media and Hollywood so obsessed with Richard Nixon? By
telling the often ignored story of his life. So to
pick up where we left off, prosecutors in the Watergate
burglary case argued that the break in didn't go higher
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than g Gord and Lyddy and Howard Hunt. That should
have been the end of the entire Watergate affair, but
Judge Sirica, who was overseeing the case, had something different
in mind. He'd been reading articles in the Washington Post
that claimed that the scandal reached deep into the White
House's inner circle, So Judge Cirica decided to play hardball.
He threatened Lyddy Hunt and the five burglars with life
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in prison if they didn't start to cooperate. He then
postponed sentencing by almost two months, hoping someone would crack.
Judge Syrica then called for the Senate to conduct hearings
to see how high this Watergate scandal went. In February
nineteen seventy three, the Senate complied and formed a came
to be known as the Irvine Committee. Then, just two
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days before sentencing, Howard Hunt began to break. He got
word to the ringleader of the cover up, John Dean,
that he demanded one hundred and twenty thousand dollars for
legal fees and walk around money. If he didn't receive
it pronto, he'd start implicating others in the Watergate case.
With the sentencing just forty eight hours away and no doubt,
feeling that the walls were closing in on his cover
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up operation. John Dean asked for a meeting with President Nixon.
Speaker 7 (03:40):
The reason I thought we ought to talk this sorry,
is because in our conversations I have the impression that
you don't know everything I know, and it makes it
very difficult for you to make judgments that if only
you could make on.
Speaker 8 (03:54):
Some of these things.
Speaker 1 (03:55):
Nixon interjected, wondering if maybe they shouldn't unravel the issue,
but Dean went.
Speaker 8 (04:01):
On, I think and I think that.
Speaker 7 (04:05):
There's no doubt about the seriousness a problem works. We've
got we have a cancer within the close to the presency.
It's growing, it's growing daily, it's compounding. It grows geometrically.
Now because it's compounds, it sucks. That'll be clear, as
I claimed, you know some of the details.
Speaker 1 (04:23):
For the first time, Nixon was going to hear how
the Watergate scandal developed, or at least John Dene's version
of the events.
Speaker 2 (04:31):
Dean opened with the biggest problem one, we're being blackmailed.
Speaker 8 (04:35):
Two people are going.
Speaker 7 (04:37):
To start furguring himself very quickly that have not had
to purgure themselves to protect other people.
Speaker 2 (04:43):
John Dene warned that there was no guarantee that the
Watergate affair was not going to bust right open.
Speaker 7 (04:48):
First of all, on the water Gate pound it all
start where it starts, started with constructing to the round.
Speaker 8 (04:56):
Bob Hall of.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
Dean says he was asked to set up a legitimate
campaign intelligence operation. Explained why he went to g Gordon
Liddy to create this plan. In Dean's telling, he heard
Liddy had handled some extremely sensitive intelligence gathering on Daniel
Ellsberg's Pentagon papers leak. According to John Dean, everyone thought
highly of Liddy, so Dean hired him. That he left
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that last part out. He told the President that he
was present when Liddy pitched his plan to John Mitchell,
who was preparing to resign as Attorney General to take
over the re election committee.
Speaker 7 (05:30):
And Riddy laid out a million dollar plan that was
the most incredible thing I have ever laid.
Speaker 8 (05:35):
My eyes on.
Speaker 7 (05:35):
Hauling codes and involved black bag operations, kidnapping, providing prostitutes,
and weakened the opposition to bugging mugging teams.
Speaker 8 (05:47):
It was just an incredible thing.
Speaker 2 (05:49):
It appeared to Dean that John Mitchell didn't take the
plan very seriously.
Speaker 7 (05:53):
Mitchell's the Birthchase sat there puffing and laughing, and I
could tell after Liddy left the office, I said, that's
the most incredible thing I've ever seen that.
Speaker 8 (06:00):
I agree.
Speaker 2 (06:01):
Dean explained how Liddy came back with the new plan,
but it still had bugging and other dirty tricks.
Speaker 8 (06:07):
And at this point, I.
Speaker 7 (06:08):
Said, right in front of everybody, very clearly, I said,
these are not the sort of things.
Speaker 8 (06:13):
On that are ever to be discussed in the office.
Fragenal of the United States Story.
Speaker 2 (06:17):
Show was Dean claimed he told G. Gordon Liddy to
pack the hell up and get the ridiculous plan out
of the Attorney General's office. He then said he spoke
with President Nixon's Chief of Staff, Bob Haldeman and warned
him that Liddy was trouble and that the White House
needed to stay away from him. According to Dean, Haldeman
agreed through his questions, it was obvious that Nixon had
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no knowledge of any of this. He asked who was
in the meeting when it occurred things of that nature.
Dean continued, and I thought at.
Speaker 8 (06:47):
That point the thing was turned off.
Speaker 7 (06:50):
That's the last I've heard of it. And I thought
it was turned off because it was an absurd proposal.
Speaker 2 (06:56):
Then John Deane said something that didn't pass the smell test.
After his pitch, Dean had worked with Liddy, but they
never talked about his pitch again Liddy, I did.
Speaker 8 (07:06):
We never talked about it. I would be hard to
believe for some people, but we never did.
Speaker 2 (07:11):
Just the fact of the matter, and this is where
Dean's problem becomes clear. Any prosecutor investigating the break in
would see John Deane's fingerprints all over the Watergate scandal.
He was the one that hired G. Gordon Liddy to
create an opposition research plan. He continued to work with
Liddy as the plan was being executed. Dean was the
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one that met with Liddy right after the arrests, and
according to Liddy and a White House aid, it was
Dean that ordered Hunt out of the country, a clear
obstruction of justice attempt. And then there was the alleged
prostitution ring. If anyone dug deep into the scandal, it
was easy to see that John Dean was in real
trouble if the Watergate investigation expanded into the White House.
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Dean went on to explain to President Nixon that somehow
Liddy got an intelligence plan approved and that Liddy started
gathering information and feeding it to the Real Life Committee,
who then fed that information to a White House staffer.
Dean had no proof that anyone in President Nixon's inner
circle knew exactly how the information was obtained, but according
to Dean, they weren't happy with what they were getting.
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You may remember that even G. Gordon Liddy said that
the summary transcripts of the wire tap were useless.
Speaker 6 (08:22):
I got typed summary logs that were given to me,
and they were useless. I mean, we were getting hairdressing
appointments and some guy taking trips to Texas and things
like that.
Speaker 3 (08:32):
At least that was what it purported to be.
Speaker 2 (08:35):
Lyddy would, of course, later learn that he wasn't getting
the full scoop on the content of the conversations. They were,
in fact, sexual in nature. The person monitoring the wire
taps believed most people would think they were listening to
a prostitution ring. John Deane told Nixon that his chief
of staff, Bob Haldeman and the re election committee head
John Mitchell appeared to have no idea that G. Gordon
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Liddy's plan had anything illegal in it. He then explained
what happened next.
Speaker 7 (09:03):
Point in time of high the team aware of anything
was on to seventeen when I got the word that
there had been this bright game as the Democratic National
Committee and somebody from the committee had been caught from
our committee had been caught in the DNC, and I said,
oh my.
Speaker 2 (09:16):
God, Dean says. He instantly put the pieces together.
Speaker 8 (09:23):
I know what it was. So I called Liddy on
that Monday morning and I said Gordon. I said, first,
I want to know if anybody in the White.
Speaker 7 (09:28):
House was involved, and he said no, they weren't. Said well,
I want to know how in God's name this happened.
And he said, well, I was pushed, without mercy, violent
Ruder to get in there to get more information than
the information it was not satisfactory.
Speaker 2 (09:43):
Dean said that the deputy chairman of the re election Committee, Magruder,
was getting pressure from the White House because they weren't
happy with the intel they were receiving that caught Nixon
by surprise.
Speaker 7 (09:53):
Macgruder said, the White House was not happy with what
we're getting into the White House.
Speaker 8 (09:57):
Now.
Speaker 2 (10:05):
Nixon asked who he thought it was that was pushing
from the White House. Dean responded that it was probably
an aid to Nixon's Chief of staff, Bob Haldeman, a
guy named Strawn, but Dean have no clear evidence that
people from within Nixon's inner circle knew that the intel
information was coming into the White House from a break in.
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They just come back from a successful Moscow trip. His
foreign policy efforts were being universally heralded, and the Democrats
nominated a candidate that couldn't beat him. Nixon sounded dumbfounded
by the entire Watergate break in. Nixon couldn't understand why
they did it. John Deane assured the President that no
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one in the White House had prior knowledge of the
failed Watergate break in.
Speaker 8 (10:51):
I honestly belief that no one over here knew that.
I know, as God is my maker, I had known
age that they were going to.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
And here's where things got tricky. John Deane said he
knew staffers that the Nixon reelection committee had already committed perjury.
The scandal was initially isolated to the committee across the street,
but then Dean began to infect Nixon's inner circle. He'd
been involved with paying the legal fees of the team
that was arrested. Dean turned to some of Nixon's closest
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colleagues to help raise money for the legal fee payments,
including nixon re election chairman John Mitchell, and even Nixon's
chief of staff Bob Haldeman and his closest advisor, John
Erlickman come up with posting.
Speaker 7 (11:40):
Because one Bobby's talking John is involved in that time,
involved in that chol involved in a.
Speaker 8 (11:47):
Constructive governors.
Speaker 2 (11:55):
Dean equated the legal fee request to blackmail, and according
to him, Nixon's inner circle were already involved in these payments.
To add to their troubles, Howard Hunt was now demanding
more than just legal fees.
Speaker 8 (12:08):
Now the blackmail is continuing.
Speaker 7 (12:11):
Hunt called one of the lawyers in the re election
committee on last Friday, leaving him on over the weekend.
The guy came in to me and seeing me to
made a message directly.
Speaker 8 (12:22):
From Hunt to me for the frontal out of his
Hunt now is demanding.
Speaker 7 (12:25):
Another seventy two thousand dollars for his own personal expenses,
another fifty thousand dollars pay at attorneys Dase one hundred
and twenty te thousand dollars, and he says, I'm going
to be sentenced on Friday, and I've got to be
able to get my financial affairs in order.
Speaker 2 (12:38):
According to Dean, if Howard Hunt didn't receive the money immediately,
he'd take down Nixon's closest advisor, John Erlickman, and how well.
Howard Hunt was threatening to go public with what he
did while investigating Daniel Ellsberg as a plumber. In other words,
Hunt was now tying the Watergate issue to the unrelated
Daniel Ellsberg investigation.
Speaker 8 (12:59):
The Cubans that were.
Speaker 7 (13:01):
Used in the Watergate were also the same humans that
used California Elsburg.
Speaker 8 (13:07):
To the breaking out there.
Speaker 1 (13:10):
This was the pile of excrement that John Deane dumped
on President Nixon's desk all at once, and there were
problems at multiple levels. Even though Nixon's closest advisers had
no prior knowledge of the failed DNC break in, that
Watergate scandal could now be lumped in with the Daniel
Ellsberg investigation. At the time, Ellsburg was on trial for espionage.
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If the Watergate investigation forced the White House into divulging
their covert operation against Ellsburg in the eyes of Nixon,
it would severely threaten national security. In the months and
years leading up to Ellsberg's leak of the Pentagon papers,
America was in violent turmoil, During the nineteen sixty nine
to nineteen seventy school year, there were nearly eighteen hundred
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campus protests and around two hundred and fifty cases of arson.
In the spring and summer of nineteen seventy, a wave
of bombing's plague college campuses and cities. Gun battles had
even erupted between militants like the Black Panthers and the police,
and some of this violent activity was being sponsored by
foreign entities. To add to the turmoil of the times,
the White House was in extremely sensitive negotiations with the Vietcong, China,
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the Soviet Union, and others. What the public didn't know
was that throughout this tumultuous era, the CIA and the
FBI had cut off communications with one another. The FBI
had actually discontinued their liaison with the CIA and all
other intelligence agencies, only keeping communications with the White House.
The intelligence community had become dysfunctional. This was the environment
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that the White House faced as Daniel Ellsberg leaked the
Pentagon Papers, a massive, unprecedented leak of top secret documents.
The White House had even learned from the FBI that
someone leaked the forty seven volume, seven thousand page document
to the Soviet embassy. These leaks were placing America's national
security in jeopardy, so President Nixon had to get creative.
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He set up the plumbers to track down the leakers
and acquire intel on Daniel Ellsberg because no one knew
what else he had. If the Watergate investigation began to
creep into the unrelated area of the White House Plumbers,
it would send a signal to the world that America's
intelligence community was broken. The country would look severely vulnerable
during extremely unstable times. So to President Nixon, keeping the
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Watergate investigation confined to Watergate and not its intelligence operation
was of paramount importance, and Howard Hunt's threat was jeopardizing
that goal. As John Dene explained Howard Hunt's blackmail demand,
Nixon began exploring all options, including paying Hunt's legal fees
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to buy some time. Better to get full understanding of
what happened in Watergate than take on this same effort
while reacting to a serious national security concern. Besides, Nixon
was only hearing John Dene's side of the story. He
needed to get all of the relevant players together. His advisors,
Bob Haldeman and John Irkman, the former head of the
re election Committee, John Mitchell, bring those people together with
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John Deane to hear everyone side of the Watergate scandal
and figure out what to do next. Nixon thought out loud,
but pay the legal fees or just let it all
blow up right now and have those who are implicated
deal with the fallout. But nothing on the payment option
was decided. The two contemplated a few other trouble spots
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in the Watergate affair, and that's likely when John dene
heard something he didn't want to hear.
Speaker 8 (16:40):
What happened if it starts breaking and I didn't find
a criminal case against the hold.
Speaker 1 (16:43):
Of the Mitchell an arlect, Nixon said, if it really
comes down to that, we'd have to shed it in
order to contain it again.
Speaker 8 (16:53):
That's right, I'm coming down. I guess that Bob and
John and John Mitchell and I could sit.
Speaker 7 (16:59):
Down and spend a day or however long, figure out
one how this could be carved away from you so
it does not damage you or the presidency, because it.
Speaker 8 (17:10):
Just can't, and it's not something you're not involved in it,
and it's something you should answer that.
Speaker 1 (17:16):
I note the problem with this troubleshooting the crisis with
the President was that John Dene was now infecting him
with the problem.
Speaker 8 (17:22):
Well, I how from our conversations that you know, these
are things that you have no knowledge of.
Speaker 1 (17:29):
Nixon responded, stating the absurdity of the whole damn thing,
bugging and so on. He said he understood that there
was pressure to get more information, but he added they
all knew very well that they were supposed to comply
with the law.
Speaker 8 (17:43):
They all very well law that's trying.
Speaker 1 (17:47):
Before the meeting concluded, President Nixon stated he couldn't grant
anyone clemency.
Speaker 8 (17:54):
Gives.
Speaker 1 (17:56):
About an hour into the meeting, Nixon's chief of staff,
Bob Haldeman entered. Nixon gave hald him in a quick
rundown of what Dean had told. They again began to
weigh the options of dealing with Howard Hunt's blackmail threat.
President Nixon then proposed to John Dean, the clean way
out of this mess could possibly just be to let
Howard Hunt talk and let the chips fall where they may.
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But that didn't work for John Dene. He was implicated
he'd be criminally liable.
Speaker 8 (18:25):
I don't.
Speaker 7 (18:28):
Because we all need to discussed if there's some way
that we can get our story before a grand jury.
Speaker 1 (18:36):
What John Dene appeared to be recommending was a new
grand jury that could give immunity to select people involved
in the Watergate cover up. It looked like Dean wanted
immunity for himself. He knew what he'd done, and he
was just in too deep with the entire Watergate affair.
But Nixon had already concluded that he could not immediately
offer clemency to anyone involved in the Watergate break in
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something started to become clear. It appeared Dean's only way
way of avoiding a long jail sentence was to be
given immunity in exchange for testimony. The talk lasted about
an hour and a half. By the conclusion of the meeting,
the President left undecided the option of paying Hunt's blackmail demand,
but he did want to get John Mitchell, Dean, Erlickman,
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and Haldeman together as soon as possible to get everyone
side of the story and figure out how to move forward.
After the meeting, Bob Holdeman called John Mitchell in New
York and summoned him to the White House. Mitchell couldn't
get to Washington, d C. Until the following day in
the interim President Nixon, Haldeman, Erlickman, and Dean met to
prepare for their meeting with Mitchell the next day. The
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following afternoon, around two pm, John Mitchell joined the crew.
They met in a room with a horrible recording system.
Speaker 9 (19:51):
We are.
Speaker 1 (19:57):
It's hard to hear every word that's spoken, but a
theme that can be pulled out of the meeting is
that the night before, when the team met without Mitchell,
President Nixon rejected John Dene's idea of granting select people immunity.
Such an act would not reflect well on the institution
of the presidency. Instead, he opted for a different route.
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Welcome back to red Pilled America. So Howard Hunt was
threatening that if he didn't get roughly one hundred and
twenty thousand dollars pronto, he'd expose the Plumber's covert operation
against the Pentagon papers leaker Daniel Elsberg. Hunt believed that
disclosure would take down the president's closest advisor, John Erlickman.
When Nixon and his closest advisors gathered with John dene
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and John Mitchell to discuss how to move forward on Watergate,
they came up with the plan to take away Howard
Hunt's power. If Nixon couldn't keep that national security operation secret,
why not beat Hunt to the punch. He could simply
reveal the Plumber's operation on his terms and take away
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Hunt's blackmail leverage. Surely, the American people who'd personal experienced
the violent chaos of the time could understand why the
Nixon White House embarked on a covert operation against Daniel Elsberg.
And if they knew that at the time of the leak,
the White House could not turn to the FBI or
the CIA, they'd undoubtedly agree with the reasoning behind the
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formation of the plumbers. So out of this meeting of
the minds, held the day before the Watergate culprits were
to be sentenced, President Nixon instructed John Dene to write
a report containing everything he'd stated to him the previous day,
that they were being blackmailed, that people had perjured themselves,
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that there'd been a cover up. President Nixon would then
use the report to call for a renewed investigation into
the Watergate affair, and everyone involved would be hauled in
to testify. That way, they'd take away Howard Hunt's power,
they'd potentially avoid the Urban Committee show trial, and they
could end this ordeal once and for all. Nixon wanted
to lance the boil using the complete disclosure. The team
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suggested that Dean go to Camp David to draft the report,
where he'd be away from all the phone calls, commotion,
and hullabaloo of Washington.
Speaker 10 (24:12):
D C.
Speaker 2 (24:15):
John Dene agreed and headed to Camp David. The following day,
Judge John Ciica announced his sentencing of the Watergate culprits
and it was jaw dropping. He sentenced g Gordon Lyddy
to up to twenty years in prison. Another culprit that
pled guilty to second degree burglary was sentenced to a
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maximum of thirty five years, and four others were sentenced
to a maximum of forty years. Judge Sirica dropped the
hammer on all but one man, James McCord. Remember McCord
was chief of security for Nixon's re election committee. Judge
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Sirica postponed his sentencing again, and why well. McCord drafted
a bomb she letter that Judge Sirica could use to
bust open the whole Watergate scandal. In the letter, McCord
claimed that people had perjured themselves, he'd experienced political pressure
to plead guilty and remained silent, and that ultimately there
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was a cover up in the Watergate break in the
wall separating the White House from the scandal was about
to crumble. John Dene was at Camp David when the
verdicts came down. He knew McCord's cover up accusation included him,
whether it was his alleged break in order to acquire
evidence of the prostitution ring, or simply his participation in
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obstructing justice. John dene knew what he'd done writing the
report for President Nixon was feudal. He couldn't compose it
without incriminating himself because he had been the ringleader of
the whole damn cover up, and by talking about it
with John Erlickman, Bob Haldeman, Mitchell, and President Nixon, he'd
infected Nixon's innermost inner circle. Judge Serrica's announcement became a
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defining moment in the life of Richard Milhouse Nixon. Just
a few months earlier, Nixon was one of the most
successful and popular presidents in American history. The landslide victory
cemented that fact. But what President Nixon couldn't have known
at the time was that Judge si Rica's courtroom announcement
provided the man from Norblinda just one option to save
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his presidency. The only way to survive was to immediately
and ruthlessly cut ties with anyone and everyone involved in Watergate.
He had to perform what is referred to as a
noisy withdrawal, instantly demanding the resignation of everyone that had
prior knowledge of Watergate or its post break and cover up.
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But President Nixon had learned a lesson in an earlier
stint in the White House, and that lesson would taint
his decision making in this crucial moment. You may remember
that in nineteen fifty eight, President Eisenhower's chief of staff,
Sherman Adams, was under fire. Adams had accepted an expensive
overcoat and oriental rug from a Boston textile manufacturer. The
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problem was that the manufacturer was under investigation for Federal
Trade Commission violations. As Vice president at the time, Nixon
watched as his boss agonized over how to handle the situation.
Sherman Adams was under constant attack, and the stink was
spreading into the Oval office. Eisenhower eventually made the decision
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to shed his chief of staff. Nixon thought it was
the wrong move. Fast forward to his crucial Watergate moment.
He didn't want to repeat Eisenhower's mistake. He'd later recall
this trying moment.
Speaker 3 (27:46):
I had been through a very difficult period when President
Eisenhower had the Adams problem, and I'll never forget the
agony he went through. Here was Adams, a man that
had gone through the heart attack with him, a man
that had gone through the stroke with him, A man
had been totally selfless, but he was caught up in
a web guilty. I don't know. I consider Adams then
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to be an honest man in his heart. He did
have some misjudgment, but in any event, finally Eisenhower decided,
after months of indecision on it, he stood up for
him and press conferences over and over again. He decided
he had to go. You know who did it? I
did it. Eisenhower called me in and asked me to
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talk to Shearm.
Speaker 2 (28:32):
Now Nixon was faced with a similar issue. His two
closest advisers, Bob Haldeman and John Erlickman, were potentially implicated
in a Watergate cover up. Both men were professing their innocence,
so instead of throwing them under the bus, Nixon chose
a more compassionate route.
Speaker 3 (28:50):
I still wanted to give them a chance to survive.
I didn't want to have them sacked as Eisenhower sacked Adams.
And Adams goes off the New Hampshire and runs a
ski lite and is never prosecuted for anything. Sack because
of misjudgment yes, mistakes, yes, but an illegal act with
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any immoral, illegal motive.
Speaker 10 (29:18):
No.
Speaker 3 (29:19):
That's what I feel about Adams. That's why I felt
about these men at that time.
Speaker 2 (29:23):
Because of this Sherman Adams experience, President Nixon chose not
to ruthlessly shed his inner circle in the wake of
Judge Serrica's announcement that decision would change the trajectory of
its presidential legacy. While Nixon decided to take a wait
and see approach, John Dean was at Camp David, unable
to write the Watergate report without incriminating himself. He relayed
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his writer's block to Nixon's chief of staff, Bob Haldeman,
and Haldeman told Dean to just come back to the
White House, but Dean had another plan in mind.
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Speaker 1 (31:33):
Welcome back to Red pilled America while Nixon decided to
take a wait and see approach. John Dean was at
Camp David, unable to write the Watergate report without incriminating himself.
He relayed his writer's block to Nixon's chief of staff,
Bob Haldeman, and Haldeman told Dean to just come on
back to the White House. But Dean had another plan
in mind. On March twenty eighth, nineteen seventy three, just
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five days after the Watergate burglars were sentenced, John Dean
retained a lawyer, and his selection of legal counsel signaled
one thing that he was turning on President Nixon. Dean
hired a guy named Charles Schaefer. Schaefer was a well
connected Democrat and former Justice Department lawyer that worked in
both the JFK and LBJ administrations. The two quietly settled
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on a plan. Dean would look for what Nixon could
not give him, immunity. The movie that Dean's lawyer wanted
to produce placed John Dean as the hero whistleblower. Richard Nixon,
in his inner circle, would play the villain. In mid
April nineteen seventy three, just as they geared up to
make their pitch to Watergate prosecutors, President Nixon publicly proclaimed
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that no individual holding a position of major importance in
the administration should be given immunity. The message appeared to
resonate when Dean and his lawyer approached the Watergate prosecutors
asking for immunity in exchange for testimony. The career prosecutors
rejected their offer. By their estimation, John Dean had his
fingerprints all over this cover up, so Dean found a
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different option. The networks and the newly formed public broadcasting
system were going to give the Watergate hearings round the
clock coverage. The Irvin Committee orchestrating the hearings were looking
for some drama, and John Dean was willing to give
it to them. On one condition. In order to testify
against his Oval Office colleagues, he needed immunity, and he
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needed it fast.
Speaker 10 (33:24):
The President now believed, through a subsequent investigation, that his
previous Watergate investigation, conducted by John Dean, was full of holes.
Speaker 1 (33:33):
Dean was in trouble. Nevertheless, he was the perfect weapon
for Nixon's enemies. He'd worked in Nixon's inner circle. He
was the one that ran the cover up he was
the one that dirtied everyone up in the White House.
The Democrats could use Dean to attack one of the
most popular presidents of all time, and establishment Republicans could
put Dean to good use as well. You may recall
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that at the outset of the Pentagon Papers leak, Nixon
spoke to his National security adviser Henry Kissinger and reference
to caldey'd recently had.
Speaker 11 (34:03):
But boy, you're right about one thing. If anything was
needed to underline, we talked about Friday or Saturday morning,
about really cleaning house when we have the opportunity. By god,
this underlines it. Oh, and people have got to be
put to the torch for this sort of thing. This
is terrible.
Speaker 1 (34:19):
The Pentagon Papers leak underscored a point Kissinger had just
made hours earlier. At their first opportunity. The Nixon administration
had to clean house at the White House to reduce
future leaks, and that meant getting rid of establishment Republicans.
Speaker 9 (34:33):
He gets re elected landslide reelection took every state except
Massachusetts in the district.
Speaker 1 (34:38):
That's Jeff Shepard, a former Nixon Watergate defense lawyer and
author of the Nixon Conspiracy.
Speaker 9 (34:44):
So he ran up his total sixty one percent, the
second largest landslide in history. But he didn't campaign with
other GOP people. So after that re election, they're still
considerably in the minority and they're pissed.
Speaker 1 (35:00):
Then the day after the election, Nixon's Chief of si staff,
Bob Haldeman, made an announcement.
Speaker 9 (35:05):
Haldeman instructs the cabinet officers that every presidential appointee must
submit his resignation because we're going to clean house and
get some people in here who are more enthusiastic. So
he managed to alienate every Republican in Congress, every presidential appointee,
because now they weren't being rewarded for what they'd done.
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They're four thousand presidential appointees. Yeah, so there's trouble there.
Speaker 1 (35:33):
The establishment Republicans weren't happy with Nixon's attempt to clean
the swamp, so they saw John Deane as a potential
opportunity to attack Nixon. For all of these reasons, Dean
was the perfect weapon to take down Nixon, and the
ringleader of the cover up must have known it. One
of the main characters in the entire ugly Watergate or
Deal demanded immunity and the politicized Urban Committee gave it
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to him.
Speaker 2 (36:03):
As news of Dean's impending testimony surfaced, the media stepped
up their attacks on President Nixon and his inner circle.
The Washington Post wrote article after article based on anonymous
sources that would come to be known as deep Throat.
The newspaper claimed that the Watergate scandal went all the
way up to the top. The media attacks were so
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overwhelmingly negative that Henry Kissinger and Nixon's Secretary of State
Bill Rogers, urged the president to cut Bob Haldeman and
John Erlickman loose. Then Nixon's assistant Attorney General, Henry Peterson
came to the president with his Watergate investigation findings. Nixon
later recalled.
Speaker 3 (36:42):
The moment I remember Henry Peterson coming in on that
Sunday afternoon, came in off his boat, apologized for being
in its sneakers, pair of blue jeans, and so forth,
but it was very important to give me the update
on the developments that occurred up to April fifteen.
Speaker 2 (37:00):
Peterson presented a piece of paper to the implicated both
his chief of staff Bob Haldeman and his domestic affairs
advisor John Erlikman. In the Watergate cover up, and he.
Speaker 3 (37:11):
Said, mister President, these men have got to resign. You've
got to fire. I said, but Henry, I can't fire
men simply on the basis of charges. They've got to
have their day in court. They've got to have a
chance to prove their innocence. I've got to see more
than this, because they claim that they're not guilty. And
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Henry Peterson, very uncharacteristically, because he's very respectful to see
a Democrat career civil service splendid man sat back in
his chair. He said, you know, mister President, what you've
just said that you can't fire a man simply on
the basis of charges that have been made are the
fact that their continued service will be embarrassing to you.
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You've got to have proof before you do that. He said,
that speaks very well for you as a man, doesn't
speak well for you as a president.
Speaker 2 (38:02):
Nixon sold with the decision for the next two weeks.
He wanted them to first have their day in court,
but as April came to a close, it was becoming
clear that he had to shed his inner circle.
Speaker 3 (38:13):
So it took me two weeks to work it out. Tortuous,
long sessions. You've got hours and hours of talks with him,
which they resisted. Then I remember the day at Camp
David when they came up. Haloman came in first, Dan
and as he usually does, not a dramatic Nazi stormtrooper,
but just a decent, respected, true cut guy. That's the
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way Halloman was. Splendid Man, and he says, I disagree
with your decision totally. He said, I think it's going
eventually you're going to live to regret it, but I will.
Erlman came in. I knew that Earlyman was bitter because
he felt very strongly he shouldn't resign, although he'd even
indicated that Haliman should go and maybe he should stay.
Speaker 2 (38:58):
He took Erlokman out onto the cabin porch at Camp David.
Speaker 3 (39:01):
It was springtime. The tulips had just come out. I
never forget. We looked out across it was one of
those gorgeous days when the little clouds were in the mountain,
and I was pretty emotionally brought up, and I remember
that I could just hardly bring myself to tell Arligtman
that he had to go, because I knew he was
going to resist it. I said you know, John, when
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I went to bed last night, I said, I hoped.
I almost prayed I wouldn't wake up this morning. Well,
(39:45):
it's an emotional moment. I think there were tears in
her eyes, both of us. He said, don't say that.
We went back in. They agreed to leave, and so
it was late.
Speaker 8 (39:57):
But I did it.
Speaker 3 (39:58):
I cut off one arm and then cut off the other.
Now I can before I recognized it. Maybe I defended
them too long, Maybe I tried to help them too much.
But I was concerned about them. I was concerned about
their families. I felt that they and their hearts felt
they were not guilty. I felt they ought to have
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a chance, at least to prove that they were not guilty.
And I didn't want to be in the position of
just sawing them off in that way.
Speaker 2 (40:32):
President Nixon didn't have the same emotional reaction to the
loss of another man. He unceremoniously fired John Dean on
April thirtieth, nineteen seventy three. The news hit the airwaves
like a bombshell.
Speaker 3 (40:47):
Good evening.
Speaker 6 (40:48):
The biggest White House scandal in a century, the Watergate scandal,
broke wide open today. The Attorney General Richard kleindn'st has
resigned because, in his own words, he had close personal
and professional associations with people who may have broken the law.
The two closest men to the President, H. R. Haldeman,
his chief of staff, and John Erlickman, his chief domestic advisor,
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have resigned last week. Both men were fighting hard to
keep their jobs. The President's White House legal counsel, John Dean,
has been fired. Reportedly, Dean is implicated in efforts to
cover up the Watergate scandal, and he may implicate Erlickman
and Haldeman.
Speaker 5 (41:29):
The White House is in a state of shock, and
a lot of people here are wondering how many more
heads are going to roll. Tonight, the President is expected
to explain to the nation how he reached his drastic
decision and why.
Speaker 10 (41:40):
In recent months, members of my administration and officials of
the Committee for the re Election of the President, including
some of my closest friends and most trusted aids, have
been charged with involvement and what has come to be
known as the Watergate affair. The inevitable result of these
charges has been to raise serious questions about the integrity
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of the White House itself. To Night, I wished to
address those questions. Last June seventeenth, while I was in
Florida trying to get a few days rest after my
visit to Moscow, I first learned from news reports of
the watergate break in. I was appalled at this senseless,
illegal action, and I was shocked to learn that employees
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of the re election Committee were apparently among those guilty.
I immediately ordered an investigation by appropriate government authorities. On
September fifteenth, as you will recall, indictments were brought against
seven defendants in the case. As the investigations went forward,
I repeatedly asked those conducting the investigation whether there was.
Speaker 11 (42:46):
Any reason to believe that.
Speaker 10 (42:48):
Members of my administration were in any way involved. I
received repeated assurances that there were not. Because of these
continuing reassurances, I discounted the stories in the press that
appeared to implicate members of my administration or other officials
of the campaign committee. Until March of this year, I
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remain convinced that the denials were true. However, new information
then came to me which persuaded me that there was
a real possibility that some of these charges were true,
and suggesting further that there had been an effort to
conceal the facts, both from the public, from you and
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from me. As a result, on March twenty first, I
personally assumed the responsibility for coordinating intensive new inquiries into
the matter, and I personally ordered those conducting the investigations
to get all the facts and to report them directly
to me right here.
Speaker 8 (43:49):
In this office.
Speaker 10 (43:50):
I was determined that we should get to the bottom
of the matter, and that the truth should be fully
brought out, no matter who was involved. Today, in one
of the most difficult decisions of my presidency, I accepted
the resignations of two of my closest dissociates in the
White House, Bob Halman John Rickman, two of the finest
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public servants it has been my privilege to know.
Speaker 3 (44:15):
I want to stress that in accepting.
Speaker 10 (44:17):
These resignations, I mean to leave no implication whatever a
personal wrongdoing on their part, and I leave no implication
tonight of implication on the part of others.
Speaker 3 (44:30):
Who have been charged in this manner.
Speaker 10 (44:33):
The Council to the President, John dene has also resigned.
Speaker 8 (44:38):
Whatever may appear to have been the.
Speaker 10 (44:39):
Case before, whatever improper activities may yet be discovered in
connection with this whole sordid affair.
Speaker 8 (44:46):
I want the American people.
Speaker 10 (44:48):
I want you to know, beyond the shadow of a doubt,
that during my term as president, justice will be pursued fairly, fully.
Speaker 8 (45:00):
And impartially, no matter who is involved.
Speaker 10 (45:03):
This office is a sacred trust, and I am determined
to be worthy of that trust.
Speaker 2 (45:25):
His enemies had landed a direct hit. The entire narrative
machine was practically giddy with excitement. The man from your
Belinda was on the ropes, and he was about to
face a media onslaught the likes of which no president
had ever experienced.
Speaker 1 (45:45):
Before, coming up on red pilled America.
Speaker 12 (45:48):
And if these allegations proved to be true, what they
were seeking to steal was not the jewels, money, or
the property of American citizens, but something much more valuable.
They are most precious heritage, the right to vote in
the free elections.
Speaker 4 (46:00):
John W. Adem Iid went before this at Watergate Committee
today and as expected, gave the committee names, dates, and
places involved in the Watergate affair and its cover up.
Included among those names of the names of those having
knowledge of the cover up was Dean's former boss, the
President of the United States.
Speaker 7 (46:16):
What I had hoped to do in this conversation was
to have the President tell me we had to end
the matter.
Speaker 8 (46:23):
Now.
Speaker 12 (46:24):
Butterfield, are you aware of the installation of any listening
devices and the oval office of the president.
Speaker 3 (46:29):
I was aware of listening devices, yes, sir.
Speaker 12 (46:34):
Central question at this point is simply put, what did
the president know and when did he know it?
Speaker 10 (46:41):
You authorized this break in, didn't you?
Speaker 4 (46:43):
I was trying to know, sir.
Speaker 11 (46:44):
I did not.
Speaker 1 (46:45):
Nixon may have resigned, but in the end history has
vindicated him.
Speaker 2 (46:53):
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