September 24, 2025 • 43 mins
Why are the media & Hollywood so obsessed with Richard Nixon? In Part Seven, we explore an alternative theory behind the break-in of the DNC headquarters – an incredibly salacious theory that turns the official Watergate narrative on its head.
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Speaker 2 (00:31):
People have got to be put to the torch for
this sort of thing.
Speaker 3 (00:34):
This is terrible.
Speaker 4 (00:37):
The Pendagon paper's leak was deemed to be the most
significant national security breach in modern history.
Speaker 5 (00:43):
Hoover refused to investigate Elsberg.
Speaker 4 (00:46):
The White House created this unit to stop links, called
the Plumbers Hunting.
Speaker 5 (00:50):
Lyddy then sent the Cubans to the doctor's office.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
Well, you know, we may be back in business.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
G Gordon Lyddy got to go ahead.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
And mister McGruder then called me in, And it was
towards the end of April, and he said, can you
get into the watergate?
Speaker 1 (01:02):
The five team was arrested.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
Then we got the softly spoken word over the transceivers.
They got us.
Speaker 1 (01:08):
It's someone else was calling the shots. Why are Hollywood
and the media so obsessed with Nixon?
Speaker 5 (01:16):
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Red Pilled America. We're at part seven of our series
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of episodes entitled the If you haven't heard the previous episode,
stop and go back and listen from the beginning. We're
looking for the answer to the question why are the
media and Hollywood so obsessed with Richard Nixon by telling
the often ignored story of his life. So to pick
up where we left off, g Gordon Liddy was executing
his opposition research plan when he received a directive from Magruder,
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his superior on Nixon's re election committee. Lyddy, was to
send his team back into the Watergate complex for a
second time to put a wiretap on the phone of
the Democrat National Committee's chairman. The break in team was
also directed to take pictures of any dirt they could
dig up from the chairman's desk. So Lyddy relayed the
order to his colleague, Howard Hunt.
Speaker 2 (02:43):
And those are the orders I gave to mister Hunt,
and that is what I thought they were doing the
night that the men were caught.
Speaker 6 (02:49):
It was not.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
On the night of June sixteenth, nineteen seventy two, Hunt
and his team of four Cubans entered the DNC headquarters
in the Watergate Complex. Before the night was over, all
five of the men were arrested. Liddy would I'd later
learned that Hunt and his Cuban courts never placed a
wire tap on the chairman's phone. They instead embarked on
a separate mission, one that must have been directed by
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a different ringleader.
Speaker 5 (03:18):
One of the Cubans on the team was a man
named Martinez G. Gordon. Liddy would later describe how Martinez
was taking orders from someone else.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
So what happened was that mister Johenio Rolando Martinez was
given by mister Hunt a map, if you will, a
diagram of the interior of that office, and it led
him directly to a desk. That desk was subsequently identified
as that of Idemaxine Wells, the secretary to mister Oliver Spencer.
Speaker 5 (03:44):
Oliver was an obscure DNC staffer. Why was the team
led to his secretary's desk? It was strange. In addition
to the map, mister Martinez was handed something else as well.
Speaker 2 (03:56):
He was also given a key, and when he was
arrested by the three District of Columbia police officers, one
of those officers almost shot him because he was trying
to get rid of that key. That key was to
itam Maxine Wells's desk. He was ordered to clean out
that desk and give the contents to mister Howard Haunts.
Speaker 5 (04:18):
A completely different mission appeared to be happening right under
Lyddy's nose. Was Ida Maxie Wells really the target of
the break in? Liddy would later recall a small detail
about their lookout spot on the night of the arrest,
a detail that proved her office was in fact the
actual target.
Speaker 2 (04:37):
If you go upstairs to the lookout room, lookout on
the balcony and see what you can say, you cannot
see Larry O'Brien's office.
Speaker 5 (04:45):
The DNC Chairman.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
Now that is significant because these wiretaps have tiny little
FM transmitters in them, and FM RF energy is transmitted
line of sight.
Speaker 5 (04:57):
Meaning that the DNC chairman's office could not have been
the target of the wire tap because in order to
hear the signal from the device they were planting, Liddy's
team needed a line of sight to the office outfitted
with the device. It was only later that Liddy would
learn which office was actually in the line of sight
from their lookout room.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
When the whole operation went south, the wiretap was found
to be on a telephone that this room looks right
down the throat up. It was in an area called
the Spencer Oliver Idam Maxie Wells Governor's area.
Speaker 5 (05:34):
In other words, someone else was directing the break in team,
not g Gordon Lyddy. Why was this different phone targeted,
Why was the Cuban supposed to raid Idam Maxie Wells's desk?
Who gave these orders? And why even break into the
DNC in the first place. I mean, Nixon was on
his way to winning a historic landslide election, a fact
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his campaign no doubt predicted Nixon had stopped all campaigning
for the nineteen seventy two election and just came off
of his story trip to China and the Soviet Union,
both were universally praised. Why would anyone from Nixon's orbit
want to break into the DNC and risk his assured victory. Well,
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the prevailing theory leads to the central figure in the
takedown of President Nixon, and that man is John Dean.
Speaker 7 (06:24):
John Deane came into the White House in July of
nineteen seventy as a young Republican attorney in his early thirties,
very flashy.
Speaker 6 (06:32):
He wore Gucci shoes, and he drove a Porsche.
Speaker 5 (06:35):
That's Robert Gedlin, co author of Silent Coup, The Removal
of a President, a nineteen ninety one book that offered
a sensational alternative explanation for the Watergate break ins. In
an interview promoting the book, Gedelin described John Deane's understanding
as he entered the Nixon administration as a White House.
Speaker 7 (06:52):
Council He understood that the ticket to the top in
the Nixon White House was gathering dirt on the Democrats
in the opposition.
Speaker 5 (07:02):
You may recall that John Dean was a White House
staffer that acted as a liaison between the White House
and Nixon's re election committee. At the time of the
break in, he was allegedly resting in San Francisco on
his way back to Washington, d C. After a trip
to the Philippines. He thought he'd get some rn R
in the Bay area, but shortly after his arrival he
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got worded to get back to d C pronto to
figure out what happened at the Watergate complex. In the moment,
Dean should have been worried. He was the one that
hired G. Gordon Liddy to create an opposition research plan.
At the very least, he'd participated in the meetings where
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Liddy presented his scheme, a strategy that included wire tapping.
If Liddy was involved in the Watergate break in, Dean
could be subjected to potential criminal prosecution. The Monday after
the break in, Liddy says he got a call from
John Dean.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
That very Monday, the nineteenth, at about eleven o'clock in
the morning, I got a telephone call and it's from
John Deane. Not surprisingly, he said he wanted to see me,
and I went over to meet him in his office
he intercepted me in a hall because I was so hot.
I guess he figured he didn't want to have me
actually physically in his office. And we went outside, didn't talk.
We were walking down Seventeenth Street and we came to
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a park behind the old Executive office building, and there
I established from him that he was the damaged control
action officer on his thing, not surprising in so much
as he had hired me for this whole thing. And
I laid out for him exactly what had happened, and
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he questioned me and so on, and I gave him
every bit of detail, not only about that, but because
he was the damaged control action officer, I had to
tell him what could be tuned out in the worst
case scenario. So I went into all the details of
the Fielding break in for him too.
Speaker 5 (09:07):
That's when Lyddy and the plumbers broke into Daniel Ellsberg's
psychiatrist's office, Doctor Fielding with his five team members in jail.
Liddy said he made a financial request of Dean.
Speaker 2 (09:18):
I told him that the DC jail was a hellhole.
This was a summary time. You know, it was very
bad that the men were there and that they expected that,
which is the usual thing in a situation like that.
He bailed out attorney's fees, family support and things like that,
and John Dean said his exact words were that everyone
will be taken care of. It goes without saying. As
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we're walking back, and this is around noon on the
nineteenth now, he said, where's Howard Hunt these days? And
I said, well, he's lying low because the press is
after him. And he said, well, because of that and
the other things you've told me, meaning I just related
Howard Hunt was in bob with fielding breaking and everything else.
He said, I think it would be best if he
would get out of the country and I said, well,
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like when and he said simmer the better when? Well,
today he want out of the country today.
Speaker 5 (10:15):
The cover up had begun and John Dene was its
chief desk officer.
Speaker 2 (10:24):
I said, his family is already abroad. Maybe he could
be induced to join him.
Speaker 5 (10:28):
At around noon, by Lyddy's account, the two went their
separate ways. John Dene went back to the White House
and Liddy went looking for a phone. And this is
where the affair entered a crucial point. You see, when
John Dene reported back to the White House, he assured
them that no one from the White House was involved
in the breaking. In fact, for the next nine months,
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he continued that assurance, even to President Nixon himself. But
in that assertion, Dean left out one critical point. At
the time, John Dean was a member of the White
House staff. He was the one that hired G. Gordon Liddy,
and he had attended the meeting where Liddy presented the
wild plan that included wire tapping, the exact thing the
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five burglars were in the act of doing when they
were arrested. So the scandal did reach into the White House,
and it crept in through John Dean himself.
Speaker 1 (11:28):
As Dean returned to the White House, Liddy got to
a phone and called Howard Hunt's office, and.
Speaker 2 (11:33):
Sure enough he was there. And I got him on
the phone and I told him that I wanted to
meet him. And I had a dry clean which is
an intelligence expression.
Speaker 1 (11:41):
Meaning quietly leave his office, like he was headed to
the dry cleaners.
Speaker 2 (11:44):
Go out, walk a certain way. I would be reading
a paper. I would be able to observe whether he
was being followed or not. And I got a hold
of it, and I said, you know, they want you
out of the country. And you can join your family
over there. And he immediately protested, he said, this is
another one of those stupid magruder ideas. I said, uh uh,
the people over there across the street.
Speaker 1 (12:03):
It was an order from the White House.
Speaker 2 (12:05):
Well, that made him feel more confident about it. And
he's talking to me about funds and he said he
still had fifteen hundred dollars of contingency money. Off I said,
go ahead and use that, because it's not fair to
have him use his own money to get out of it.
Then Off Howard goes to get out of the country.
Speaker 1 (12:22):
But then something strange happened. Shortly after he convinced Hunt
to leave, Leady got a call and.
Speaker 2 (12:28):
It's John Dean and I said, gee, John, you know
a long time no see and you think that was
very funny. And he said, you know that the order
is to get Hunt out of the country. Yeah, we'll
cancel that. I said, cancel it you and he said.
Erlickman says, cancel it.
Speaker 1 (12:45):
One of Nixon's closest advisors, John Erlickman.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
Now, I looked at my watch at the time and
I said, I said, you know, it's about forty minutes
had gone by since I had ordered Hunt out of
the country, And I said, well, I don't know if
I can get him. You know, he may have already
taken off because I had indicated all that urgency to him.
I said, I will try, and I was able to
get a hold of Hunt, and I told him that
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the signals were off, and he was very upset by
that because it indicated they were irresolute and this, that
and the other thing. But the point is this had
all taken place very very early in the afternoon, and
I had been ordered to get him out of the
country and order to bring him back, and he specifically
invoked the name Erlkman to cancel the order, and that
was about like forty minutes later.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
But Lyddy would eventually find out something that seemed to
contradict John Dean's reversal order. Dean would later say under
oath that he didn't meet with John Erlickman until around
four pm that afternoon. Therefore, Erlikman couldn't have been the
one that canceled the order for Howard Hunt to leave
the country. The reversal order was given roughly three hours
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before Dean and Erlikman even met, So how did the
order get reversed, and.
Speaker 3 (13:55):
There was a witness to the call being made to Gordon.
Speaker 1 (13:58):
That's when Collodney, co author of Silent Coup.
Speaker 3 (14:01):
Chuck Colson, is sitting in his office.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
Chuck Colson was a White House aide, and.
Speaker 3 (14:05):
In walks John Dene. It's around noontime and John Dene
he says, what happened to Howard Hunt? And Dean says,
hey sent him out of the country, and to which
Colson is, that's the dumbest thing I've ever heard. Yeah,
you're a lawyer, that you're obstructing justice, and he says,
go to the fund. He goes to the phone and
calls Gordon. So that's where the call came from. The
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invocation of Erlickman is again John Dene using an innocent
in order to cover himself. And it's what I think
they call a modus operandi.
Speaker 1 (14:37):
John Dene was a White House lawyer. Why would he
allow himself to get so personally mixed up? And this
whole sortid affair. Well, the potential answer turns the official
Watergate narrative on its head.
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on the Monday after the Watergate break in Arreests, John
Dean began running a cover up. He had reason to
be nervous. It was Dean that hired the apparent ringleader
of the break in, g Gordon Liddy, and it was
Dean that had been present when Liddy pitched his wild
opposition research plan. This made Dean subject to potential criminal prosecution.
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That was perhaps enough of a reason for the White
House liaison to lead a cover up. But around ten
years after President Nixon's resignation, a new theory began to
surface that would explain why John Deane got mixed up
in the whole Watergate affair, and over the years since
its introduction, the theory has only grown more plausible.
Speaker 5 (17:46):
In nineteen eighty four, investigative reporter Jim Hogan published a
book entitled Secret Agenda, and it made an instant splash
in the media.
Speaker 8 (17:55):
As his book title suggests, Hogan says there was a
secret agenda behind the break in into Democratic headquarters undisclosed
till now. Hogan claims that Howard Hunt and James McCord,
who led the break in, never left employment with the CIA,
which used the men to spy on President Nixon.
Speaker 5 (18:12):
Hogan claimed that at the time of the Watergate break in,
the CIA was monitoring a high class call girl operation
down the street from Watergate and the reason why Howard
Hunt and James McCord broke into the Watergate.
Speaker 8 (18:25):
He says the reason the burglars went into the Watergate
was because that's where they could find records of visits
by prominent Democrats to the prostitution ring.
Speaker 5 (18:34):
You may remember a man named Baldwin from earlier in
the series. Alfred Baldwin played lookout on the night of
the failed Watergate break in. He was also the man
that monitored the conversations on the original wire tap that
was supposed to be on the DNC chairman's phone. Baldwin
would later describe conversations on the DNC wire tap that
had little to do with the Democrats' politics. Secret Agenda
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author Jim Hogan described what Baldwin heard on the wire
tap line.
Speaker 6 (19:01):
Now.
Speaker 9 (19:01):
One of the major anomalies the Watergate affair has been that,
while Baldwin was told he was listening to conversations emanating
from inside the DNC, most of those conversations, he told
federal attorneys were sexual in nature.
Speaker 5 (19:14):
Baldwin would eventually testify that the conversations he overheard on
the original Watergate wire tap would lead eight out of
ten listeners to believe that quote that's a call groll ring.
This is a prostitution ring. End quote. Hogan argued in
Secret Agenda that the Watergate break in was to acquire
information related to this prostitution ring, and that the CIA
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was somehow involved in the break in. This theory laid
dormant for about seven years until nineteen ninety one, when
the book Silent Coup The Removal of a President first
hit the scene. In an interview promoting the book, its
co author, Len Cologne explained how Silent Coup expanded on
Hogan's prostitution ring theory and it brought the Watergate break
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in into a shocking new area.
Speaker 10 (20:01):
Phil Bailey was an attorney who represented the criminals and
prostitutes and pimps and assorted people here in Washington in
the late sixties and early seventies, and one of his
clients was a woman named Kathy Dieterer, who set up
a call girl ring after another ring had been raided
on Eighteenth Street in the Columbia Plaza, and mister Bailey,
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working with her, knew that there was a connection between
the Democratic National Committee and her call girl ring.
Speaker 5 (20:28):
He knew about the connection because he was the one
that set it up. This attorney eventually called Lenclodny and
told him that he used his connections at the DNC
to promote his client's prostitution ring. The lawyer explained that
when a DNC staffer named Spencer Oliver was out of
the Watergate office. A phone near his desk was allegedly
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used to arrange meetings between DNC visitors and the call girls.
That phone apparently avoided the DNC office switchboard, allowing for
these scandalous phone calls to be private. This detail was
corroborated by Alfred Baldwin, the man who monitored the wiretap
of the phone. Baldwin said the callers using the phone
would say, we can talk. I'm on Spencer Oliver's phone.
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According to the prostitute's lawyer, pictures of the call girls
were kept in a desk in the DNC, and various
DNC personnel would display this hooker brochure to visitors and
would then arrange meetings with the visitor and the girl
of their choice. And whose desk were these photos in?
According to the prostitute's lawyer, the pictures were in the
desk of Ida Maxie Wells. That name should mean something
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to you by now. Remember one of the Cubans that
broke into the DNC headquarters was given a map and
a key to the desk of Ida Maxie Wells.
Speaker 2 (21:56):
He was also given a key and when he was
arrested by the three District of come Umbia police officers.
One of those officers almost shot him because he was
trying to get rid of that key. That key was
to Itomaxine Wells's desk.
Speaker 5 (22:11):
As the prostitute's former lawyer relayed this story, Kollodney, who
was working on a Watergate book at the time, immediately
saw the potential implications of this information. The Watergate break
and was potentially connected to the DNC involvement in a
prostitution ring. So Collodney and his co author began digging
into the claim, trying to find its holes. Collodney reached
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out to the Watergate burglar arrested with the desk key.
Speaker 10 (22:36):
I was able to interview mister Martinez, the burglar that
the target was in fact the desk with the photos
number one and number two. The phone that was tapped
at the Watergate was the phone used to make the dates.
Speaker 5 (22:48):
The authors of Silent Coup were also able to find
the real name of the person running the prostitution ring.
Silent Coup co author Robert Getlin revealed the name that
they found.
Speaker 7 (22:59):
We were able to confirm through law enforcement sources.
Speaker 6 (23:02):
US at time her as a people working on the.
Speaker 7 (23:04):
Case that Heidi Reichen in fact had this Kathy Deader
alias and is Kathy Deeter.
Speaker 6 (23:09):
She was a madam so to speak, in this call
girl ring.
Speaker 5 (23:13):
So the Silent Coup authors were able to connect the
call Girl madam's alias to her real name, Heidi Reichen.
And this is where things get interesting.
Speaker 1 (23:22):
Heidi Reichen had a close friend by the name of
Maureen Beiner. The two were once roommates. Maureen Beiner would
later write a book and in it she talked about
her good friend, Heidie Reichen.
Speaker 6 (23:33):
And there was even a picture of Heidie Reichen in there.
Speaker 1 (23:36):
What does this have to do with the Watergate break in,
you might ask, Well, the madam's close friend, Maureen Weiner
had a direct connection to the Watergate scandal. Her fiance
at the time of the Watergate arrests was John Dean,
the White House lawyer running the cover up.
Speaker 7 (23:51):
She had been his girlfriend Maureen Weiner previous to the marriage.
The secret to understand, or the ticket to understanding all
this is that Dean knew that at the Democratic National Committee,
and specifically the desk that we discussed earlier in the
telephone the.
Speaker 6 (24:06):
Call Girly was being facilitated.
Speaker 7 (24:07):
How did Dean know that he knew because Maureen Byner
is then girlfriend had a roommate, Heidi Reichen, who went
by an alias Kathy Deeter.
Speaker 1 (24:22):
So, according to the authors of Silent Coop, before the
first Watergate breaking occurred, John Dean knew from his girlfriend
who was close friends with the Madam, that the DNC
was using the madam's prostitution services.
Speaker 7 (24:34):
And he wanted to get sexual dirt out of that operation.
Speaker 1 (24:38):
Again, Lenn Kalodney, co author of Silent Coup, there's.
Speaker 10 (24:41):
No question what the target of the break in is now.
The target of the break in is in fact that complex,
that desk and that phone. To understand that Kathy Deeter
is really Heidie Reichen, who is Maureen Bner's old girlfriend
from Texas who she was staying with here in Washington.
That's how Dean found out the sexual dirt was there
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to get.
Speaker 1 (25:03):
They believed John Dene was the person that ordered the
original May nineteen seventy two break in of the DNC
to get sexual a dirt to gain the favour of
the Oval office. But after the first break in, something
happened On June ninth, nineteen seventy two, a week before
the final Watergate break in, news of the Columbia Plaza
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prostitution ring hit the front page of the Washington Star.
The headline read Capitol Hill call girl ring. The story
continued stating, quote, the FBI here has uncovered a high
priced call girl ran allegedly headed by a Washington attorney
and staffed by secretaries and office workers from Capitol Hill
and involving at least one White House secretary, sources said today.
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The news reportedly piqued John Dene's interest, and he called
the federal prosecutors in the case to his White House office,
directing them to bring all of their evidence. The federal
prosecutors complied, and, according to the authors of Silent Coup,
John Dene perused through the evidence and found a name,
Maureen Biner. Dean found his fiance's name in the Columbia
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Plausa's trick books. The authors believe this triggered John Deane
into action. The Silent Coup authors interviewed G. Gordon Lyddy's
boss Magruder, and he told them on tape that it
was John Dean that ordered the break into the DNC office.
Dean met with the prosecutors of the Washington DC Call
Girl ring on a Friday. The following Monday, Magruder called
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Lyddy to his office and told him he needed to
send his team back into the DNC for a second time.
Dean's alleged motive was to retrieve any damning information on
his fiance in the desk of Ida Maxie Wells. Again,
Lenn Collodney, co author of Silent Coup.
Speaker 10 (26:48):
The real borders were going directly from Dean to Hunt,
and mister Martinez was given a key and was arrested
with the key that fit that desk, and he was
arrested with a floor plan with that X mark. And
he then told us himself, in his own words, that
was the target. Her desk and that phone were in
fact the target of the Watergate break in.
Speaker 1 (27:09):
Journalist James Rosen would later pick up on where the
book's Silent Agenda and Secret Coup left off. According to Rosen,
in writing his book about Nixon's former Attorney General, John Mitchell,
his research tended to confirm the allegation that John Dene's fiance,
Marien Biner, had her own ties to the Columbia Plaza
call Girl operation. Here's James Rosen discussing the issue in
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a two thousand and eight speech.
Speaker 11 (27:32):
So the question is having identified what the real target was,
why it was worth bugging, which we know now from
the sexually graphic material on there. Who would have been
in a position to know that our Spencer Oliver's phone
was worth bugging? And as I say in the book,
John Dean is the only logical candidate because of the
allegations about his wife and Columbia Plaza in the nineteen nineties.
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Mister Dean and missus Dean, who I should point out,
deny these charges vigorously, either that he ordered the Watergate
operation or that she has had anything to do with
prostitution activity. In the nineteen nineties, they sued Gordon Lyddy
for espousing this theory and others. The litigation went on
for nine years without ever going to trial, and that
litigation saw offshoot litigation.
Speaker 1 (28:15):
In one of the cases, Ida Maxiwells sued g Gordon
Liddy for defamation based on his statements that she was
involved in a call girl ran. The Fourth Circuit Court
sent the case back to Maryland with a statement stating,
quote this evidence tends to corroborate the call girl theory
generally end quote. This was from the federal Appellate Court,
one step below the Supreme Court. When the case was
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sent back to Maryland, it went to trial, and the
former prosecutor of the nineteen seventy two Columbia Plaza prosecution
ring the same prosecutor that was called to John Dene's
office the week before the failed Watergate break in that
prosecutor testified that his team had developed credible evidence showing
that quote employees at the DNC were assisting in getting
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the Democrats connected with the prostitutes at the Columbia Plaza.
And he then added a bombshell stating that the investigation
was shut down in the summer of nineteen seventy two
by the district's US attorney, who believed a probe into
the prostitution ring was a political time bomb for the Democrats.
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The jury in this two thousand and two case eventually
decided in Liddy's favor, again James Rosen, And.
Speaker 11 (29:27):
As a result of all that litigation, there was testimony
adduced to the record that tended to confirm this Dean's
relationship with Columbia Plaza.
Speaker 1 (29:35):
John Dean and Maureen Beiner, as well as Ida Maxie Wells,
have always vehemently denied any involvement in prostitution activity, and
John Deane maintained that he didn't know about the break
ins before they happened, that at the end of nearly
ten years of litigation, out a single word of silent
coup or secret agenda was retracted. In his two thousand
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and eight speech at the Nixon Library, heralded journalist James
Rosen answered the question of who he thought directed the
Watergate break in.
Speaker 11 (30:08):
Who ordered Watergate, then John Dean, according to the evidence
that I developed and the research that I conducted, is
the most logical answer for that question.
Speaker 1 (30:17):
If this prevailing theory is correct, it means John Dene
ordered the initial Watergate break in to exploit his knowledge
of the DNC's use of the prostitution ring, and then
after the ring hit the newspapers, he ordered the second
break in to conceal his fiance's connection to the ring,
and he did it with the CIA monitoring the entire operation.
Speaker 5 (30:37):
Allegedly, after the five burglars were arrested, there was no
investigation as to why they committed the break in. They
were caught red handed. The reason why seemed evident the
Nixon reelection committee wanted political dirt on their opponent. Hours
after John dene canceled that get out of the country order,
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he met with Nixon's close adviser John Erlickman and told
him that G. Gordon Lyddy was involved in the break in.
A day later, Dean met with the reelection committee and
reportedly informed them that Lyddy assured him that his team
would not say a word, but they needed their legal
expenses covered. The legal fees were paid by the reelection team.
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At the time, the payment wasn't thought to be inappropriate.
The families caught up in the affair were suffering. It
was dispersed for humanitarian reasons. In the wake of the arrest,
Nixon's inner circle didn't want to ask the director of
the reelection Committee, John Mitchell, if he was involved, because
that would pull the White House into the affair, but
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Nixon's Chief of Staff Bob Haldeman did approach Mitchell and
suggested that if something embarrassing was likely to service about
the break in, maybe it was best he resigned before
the information came out. Just two weeks after the arrest
John Mitchell resigned from the re election Committee. President Nixon
called on his new Attorney general to perform a full
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investigation into the break in. Howard Hunt and G. Gordon
Liddy were both indicted. John Deane finagled his way into
observing the FBI investigation and periodically gave status updates to
Nixon's inner circle on how the investigation was progressing. He
also provided the information to the Defense Council. As the
summer of nineteen seventy two came to a close. In
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the eyes of the investigators, the break in was isolated
to the re election Committee. Although embarrassing for the White House,
it did not reach into the Oval Office. On September fifteenth,
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nineteen seventy two, John Deane met with President Nixon for
the very first time. Nixon's Chief of Staff Haldeman, joined
the meeting. Dean met with the President to update him
on the progress of the instigation into the break in.
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The consensus in the room was that it was good
that Hunt and Liddy were indicted.
Speaker 11 (33:11):
Five plus the MO guy.
Speaker 2 (33:15):
On that's good that that.
Speaker 11 (33:18):
Takes the end off my one.
Speaker 5 (33:19):
John Dene told them that the investigation was taking up
more resources than the investigation into JFK's assassination.
Speaker 3 (33:27):
The retort would have.
Speaker 12 (33:28):
Been, again, they are really alarmed.
Speaker 5 (33:42):
Nixon's chief of staff expressed that he couldn't believe how
big this quote silly ass damn thing had gotten. President
Nixon agreed. He recalled that his campaign plane was bugged
in nineteen sixty eight by the FBI on order of
President Johnson. He said that if it weren't for the
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fact that LBJ ordered it, he'd use it to his advantage,
but he decided against it because it would have negatively
reflected on both the former president and the FBI. John
Deane gave his assessment of the state of the Watergate situation.
He said, quote, I think that I can say that
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fifty four days from now, not a thing will come
crashing down to our surprise. In other words, in John
Dene's estimation, by election day nineteen seventy two, the pitfalls
of the Watergate affair would be behind them. But John
Dene's prediction wouldn't age.
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Welcome back to Red Pilled America. In John Dene's estimation,
by election day nineteen seventy two, the pitfalls of the
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Watergate affair would be behind them. But John Dene's prediction
wouldn't age well. On election Day, Nixon, of course, won
in a historic landslide. A few months later, on January thirtieth,
nineteen seventy three, just days after Nixon announced the end
of the Vietnam War, the Watergate burglars were convicted. It
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would have been understandable if people closely watching the case
believe that the Watergate fiasco was coming to a close.
The prosecutors presented the case to Judge John Sirica, stating
that G. Gordon Lyddy was the mastermind and that there
were no higher ups involved in the break in. That
should have been the end of the affair, but Judge
had something different in mind. Washington Post reporter Bob Woodward
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would later reflect on how his newspaper impacted Judge Serrica's
decision making on the case.
Speaker 13 (37:13):
And I think where there was real impact was with
two subscribers the Washington Post. The first was Judge Sirrica,
who was trying the Watergate burglars, and in his courtroom
they had the Watergate burglars and Howard Hunt Gordon Letty,
the operational commanders, and they presented the prosecutors presented the
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case saying Gordon Letty's the mastermind. No higher ups are involved.
And Judge Sirrica is reading in the Washington Post quite
regularly that higher ups are involved. And I talked to
him many years later about this, and he said when
he saw that, he then cranked up his questioning of
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the burglars, and in fact he threatened twenty five years
sent if they didn't start cooperating.
Speaker 5 (38:05):
John Sirica was looking to use the Watergate case to
increase his profile. He warned Liddy, Hunt and the burglars
that if they didn't plead guilty to everything, he'd send
them to jail for the rest of their lives. Judge
Sirrica played it smart. He postponed their sentencing for roughly
two months, hoping someone would crack and help expand the case.
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To the Oval Office to help ensure the investigation wouldn't
end with his sentencing, Judge Sirica called for the Senate
to investigate the White House's involvement in the Watergate break in.
A week later, the Democrat controlled Senate responded.
Speaker 14 (38:40):
The Senate tonight voted seventy seven to nothing to establish
a select committee to investigate alleged political espionage in last
year's election campaign that includes the Watergate bugging case. The
committee will be headed by North Carolina Democrat Sam Irvin.
Speaker 5 (38:55):
That's when the networks began to cover the scandal full time.
The Democrat senator leading the Select Committee, sam Irvin, was
a segregationist. He hoped to create a show trial. He
just needed someone from Nixon's camp to create the drama.
Speaker 1 (39:11):
As sentencing day approached, Howard Hunt began to crack. A
few months earlier, his wife died in a plane crash,
leaving him with four children, one with special needs. At
the time, he was fifty four years old and he
was facing the rest of his life in prison, so
Hunt began to lean on the Nixon re election committee.
A week before sentencing, Hunt's lawyer contacted the chief desk
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operator of the cover up, John Dean, and demanded seventy
five thousand for legal fees and another fifty thousand for
walk around money for his family. Dean called President Nixon's
closest adviser, John Erlickman, and informed him of Hunt's demand.
Erlickman reportedly responded saying, quote sounds like blackmail to me.
Erlickman suggested John Dene call the former director of the
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Election Committee, John Mitchell. This was not a White House issue.
It was a re election committee concerned with the sentencing
just two days away, and no doubt, feeling that the
walls were closing in on his cover up operation, John
Dene asked for a meeting with President Nixon.
Speaker 12 (40:13):
The reason I thought we ought to talk to Sony
is because in our conversations I have the impression that
you don't know everything I know, and it makes it
very difficult for you to make judgments that if only
you could make.
Speaker 9 (40:29):
On some of these things.
Speaker 1 (40:30):
And I thought that Nixon interjected wondering if they shouldn't
unravel something not going to give you.
Speaker 12 (40:36):
My overall first and I think that there's no doubt
about the seriousness or problem works we've got. We have
a cancer within close to the presidency.
Speaker 15 (40:46):
It's growing.
Speaker 12 (40:48):
It's growing daily. It's a compounding. It grows geometrically. Now
because of the compounds, it sucks. That'll be clear if
I claimed you know some of the details.
Speaker 1 (41:10):
Nixon was about to get the full scope of what
John dene and the reelection team had done. But what
President Nixon didn't know at the time was that he
was speaking to the man who was going to end
his presidency.
Speaker 5 (41:26):
Coming up on red pilled America.
Speaker 2 (41:28):
What did the president know and when did he know it?
Speaker 16 (41:31):
I made my mistakes, but in all of my years
of public life, I have never profited from public service.
I've earned every cent, and in all of my years
of public life, I have never obstructed justice. And I
think too that I could say that in my years
of public life that I welcome this kind of examination
because people have got to know whether or not their
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president's a crook. Well, I'm not a crook. I've earned
everything I've got but the butterfield.
Speaker 8 (41:57):
Are you aware of the installation of any listening devices
and the oval office of the President?
Speaker 12 (42:03):
I was aware of listening devices, Yes, sir.
Speaker 15 (42:08):
President Nixon has not yet responded to the sledgehammer decision
of the Supreme Court today which ruled that he must
immediately turn over tapes of sixty four presidential conversation.
Speaker 11 (42:19):
What you would see is subtle but significant changes in
witnesses testimony from closed door to three days later when
they go on television.
Speaker 10 (42:26):
John Dene pulled off an incredible hoax, and he pulled
it off on the Watergate Committee, and he pulled it
off on the courts, and he pulled it off on
the American people, and in a sense, he erased the election.
Speaker 5 (42:39):
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Speaker 2 (00:31):
People have got to be put to the torch for
this sort of thing.
Speaker 3 (00:34):
This is terrible.
Speaker 4 (00:37):
The Pendagon paper's leak was deemed to be the most
significant national security breach in modern history.
Speaker 5 (00:43):
Hoover refused to investigate Elsberg.
Speaker 4 (00:46):
The White House created this unit to stop links, called
the Plumbers Hunting.
Speaker 5 (00:50):
Lyddy then sent the Cubans to the doctor's office.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
Well, you know, we may be back in business.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
G Gordon Lyddy got to go ahead.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
And mister McGruder then called me in, And it was
towards the end of April, and he said, can you
get into the watergate?
Speaker 1 (01:02):
The five team was arrested.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
Then we got the softly spoken word over the transceivers.
They got us.
Speaker 1 (01:08):
It's someone else was calling the shots. Why are Hollywood
and the media so obsessed with Nixon?
Speaker 5 (01:16):
I'm Patrick Curlci and I'm Adriana Cortez.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
And this is Red Pilled America a storytelling show.
Speaker 5 (01:24):
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We are all about telling stories.
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And we've promised only one thing, the truth. Welcome to
Red Pilled America. We're at part seven of our series
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of episodes entitled the If you haven't heard the previous episode,
stop and go back and listen from the beginning. We're
looking for the answer to the question why are the
media and Hollywood so obsessed with Richard Nixon by telling
the often ignored story of his life. So to pick
up where we left off, g Gordon Liddy was executing
his opposition research plan when he received a directive from Magruder,
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his superior on Nixon's re election committee. Lyddy, was to
send his team back into the Watergate complex for a
second time to put a wiretap on the phone of
the Democrat National Committee's chairman. The break in team was
also directed to take pictures of any dirt they could
dig up from the chairman's desk. So Lyddy relayed the
order to his colleague, Howard Hunt.
Speaker 2 (02:43):
And those are the orders I gave to mister Hunt,
and that is what I thought they were doing the
night that the men were caught.
Speaker 6 (02:49):
It was not.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
On the night of June sixteenth, nineteen seventy two, Hunt
and his team of four Cubans entered the DNC headquarters
in the Watergate Complex. Before the night was over, all
five of the men were arrested. Liddy would I'd later
learned that Hunt and his Cuban courts never placed a
wire tap on the chairman's phone. They instead embarked on
a separate mission, one that must have been directed by
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a different ringleader.
Speaker 5 (03:18):
One of the Cubans on the team was a man
named Martinez G. Gordon. Liddy would later describe how Martinez
was taking orders from someone else.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
So what happened was that mister Johenio Rolando Martinez was
given by mister Hunt a map, if you will, a
diagram of the interior of that office, and it led
him directly to a desk. That desk was subsequently identified
as that of Idemaxine Wells, the secretary to mister Oliver Spencer.
Speaker 5 (03:44):
Oliver was an obscure DNC staffer. Why was the team
led to his secretary's desk? It was strange. In addition
to the map, mister Martinez was handed something else as well.
Speaker 2 (03:56):
He was also given a key, and when he was
arrested by the three District of Columbia police officers, one
of those officers almost shot him because he was trying
to get rid of that key. That key was to
itam Maxine Wells's desk. He was ordered to clean out
that desk and give the contents to mister Howard Haunts.
Speaker 5 (04:18):
A completely different mission appeared to be happening right under
Lyddy's nose. Was Ida Maxie Wells really the target of
the break in? Liddy would later recall a small detail
about their lookout spot on the night of the arrest,
a detail that proved her office was in fact the
actual target.
Speaker 2 (04:37):
If you go upstairs to the lookout room, lookout on
the balcony and see what you can say, you cannot
see Larry O'Brien's office.
Speaker 5 (04:45):
The DNC Chairman.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
Now that is significant because these wiretaps have tiny little
FM transmitters in them, and FM RF energy is transmitted
line of sight.
Speaker 5 (04:57):
Meaning that the DNC chairman's office could not have been
the target of the wire tap because in order to
hear the signal from the device they were planting, Liddy's
team needed a line of sight to the office outfitted
with the device. It was only later that Liddy would
learn which office was actually in the line of sight
from their lookout room.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
When the whole operation went south, the wiretap was found
to be on a telephone that this room looks right
down the throat up. It was in an area called
the Spencer Oliver Idam Maxie Wells Governor's area.
Speaker 5 (05:34):
In other words, someone else was directing the break in team,
not g Gordon Lyddy. Why was this different phone targeted,
Why was the Cuban supposed to raid Idam Maxie Wells's desk?
Who gave these orders? And why even break into the
DNC in the first place. I mean, Nixon was on
his way to winning a historic landslide election, a fact
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his campaign no doubt predicted Nixon had stopped all campaigning
for the nineteen seventy two election and just came off
of his story trip to China and the Soviet Union,
both were universally praised. Why would anyone from Nixon's orbit
want to break into the DNC and risk his assured victory. Well,
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the prevailing theory leads to the central figure in the
takedown of President Nixon, and that man is John Dean.
Speaker 7 (06:24):
John Deane came into the White House in July of
nineteen seventy as a young Republican attorney in his early thirties,
very flashy.
Speaker 6 (06:32):
He wore Gucci shoes, and he drove a Porsche.
Speaker 5 (06:35):
That's Robert Gedlin, co author of Silent Coup, The Removal
of a President, a nineteen ninety one book that offered
a sensational alternative explanation for the Watergate break ins. In
an interview promoting the book, Gedelin described John Deane's understanding
as he entered the Nixon administration as a White House.
Speaker 7 (06:52):
Council He understood that the ticket to the top in
the Nixon White House was gathering dirt on the Democrats
in the opposition.
Speaker 5 (07:02):
You may recall that John Dean was a White House
staffer that acted as a liaison between the White House
and Nixon's re election committee. At the time of the
break in, he was allegedly resting in San Francisco on
his way back to Washington, d C. After a trip
to the Philippines. He thought he'd get some rn R
in the Bay area, but shortly after his arrival he
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got worded to get back to d C pronto to
figure out what happened at the Watergate complex. In the moment,
Dean should have been worried. He was the one that
hired G. Gordon Liddy to create an opposition research plan.
At the very least, he'd participated in the meetings where
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Liddy presented his scheme, a strategy that included wire tapping.
If Liddy was involved in the Watergate break in, Dean
could be subjected to potential criminal prosecution. The Monday after
the break in, Liddy says he got a call from
John Dean.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
That very Monday, the nineteenth, at about eleven o'clock in
the morning, I got a telephone call and it's from
John Deane. Not surprisingly, he said he wanted to see me,
and I went over to meet him in his office
he intercepted me in a hall because I was so hot.
I guess he figured he didn't want to have me
actually physically in his office. And we went outside, didn't talk.
We were walking down Seventeenth Street and we came to
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a park behind the old Executive office building, and there
I established from him that he was the damaged control
action officer on his thing, not surprising in so much
as he had hired me for this whole thing. And
I laid out for him exactly what had happened, and
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he questioned me and so on, and I gave him
every bit of detail, not only about that, but because
he was the damaged control action officer, I had to
tell him what could be tuned out in the worst
case scenario. So I went into all the details of
the Fielding break in for him too.
Speaker 5 (09:07):
That's when Lyddy and the plumbers broke into Daniel Ellsberg's
psychiatrist's office, Doctor Fielding with his five team members in jail.
Liddy said he made a financial request of Dean.
Speaker 2 (09:18):
I told him that the DC jail was a hellhole.
This was a summary time. You know, it was very
bad that the men were there and that they expected that,
which is the usual thing in a situation like that.
He bailed out attorney's fees, family support and things like that,
and John Dean said his exact words were that everyone
will be taken care of. It goes without saying. As
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we're walking back, and this is around noon on the
nineteenth now, he said, where's Howard Hunt these days? And
I said, well, he's lying low because the press is
after him. And he said, well, because of that and
the other things you've told me, meaning I just related
Howard Hunt was in bob with fielding breaking and everything else.
He said, I think it would be best if he
would get out of the country and I said, well,
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like when and he said simmer the better when? Well,
today he want out of the country today.
Speaker 5 (10:15):
The cover up had begun and John Dene was its
chief desk officer.
Speaker 2 (10:24):
I said, his family is already abroad. Maybe he could
be induced to join him.
Speaker 5 (10:28):
At around noon, by Lyddy's account, the two went their
separate ways. John Dene went back to the White House
and Liddy went looking for a phone. And this is
where the affair entered a crucial point. You see, when
John Dene reported back to the White House, he assured
them that no one from the White House was involved
in the breaking. In fact, for the next nine months,
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he continued that assurance, even to President Nixon himself. But
in that assertion, Dean left out one critical point. At
the time, John Dean was a member of the White
House staff. He was the one that hired G. Gordon Liddy,
and he had attended the meeting where Liddy presented the
wild plan that included wire tapping, the exact thing the
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five burglars were in the act of doing when they
were arrested. So the scandal did reach into the White House,
and it crept in through John Dean himself.
Speaker 1 (11:28):
As Dean returned to the White House, Liddy got to
a phone and called Howard Hunt's office, and.
Speaker 2 (11:33):
Sure enough he was there. And I got him on
the phone and I told him that I wanted to
meet him. And I had a dry clean which is
an intelligence expression.
Speaker 1 (11:41):
Meaning quietly leave his office, like he was headed to
the dry cleaners.
Speaker 2 (11:44):
Go out, walk a certain way. I would be reading
a paper. I would be able to observe whether he
was being followed or not. And I got a hold
of it, and I said, you know, they want you
out of the country. And you can join your family
over there. And he immediately protested, he said, this is
another one of those stupid magruder ideas. I said, uh uh,
the people over there across the street.
Speaker 1 (12:03):
It was an order from the White House.
Speaker 2 (12:05):
Well, that made him feel more confident about it. And
he's talking to me about funds and he said he
still had fifteen hundred dollars of contingency money. Off I said,
go ahead and use that, because it's not fair to
have him use his own money to get out of it.
Then Off Howard goes to get out of the country.
Speaker 1 (12:22):
But then something strange happened. Shortly after he convinced Hunt
to leave, Leady got a call and.
Speaker 2 (12:28):
It's John Dean and I said, gee, John, you know
a long time no see and you think that was
very funny. And he said, you know that the order
is to get Hunt out of the country. Yeah, we'll
cancel that. I said, cancel it you and he said.
Erlickman says, cancel it.
Speaker 1 (12:45):
One of Nixon's closest advisors, John Erlickman.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
Now, I looked at my watch at the time and
I said, I said, you know, it's about forty minutes
had gone by since I had ordered Hunt out of
the country, And I said, well, I don't know if
I can get him. You know, he may have already
taken off because I had indicated all that urgency to him.
I said, I will try, and I was able to
get a hold of Hunt, and I told him that
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the signals were off, and he was very upset by
that because it indicated they were irresolute and this, that
and the other thing. But the point is this had
all taken place very very early in the afternoon, and
I had been ordered to get him out of the
country and order to bring him back, and he specifically
invoked the name Erlkman to cancel the order, and that
was about like forty minutes later.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
But Lyddy would eventually find out something that seemed to
contradict John Dean's reversal order. Dean would later say under
oath that he didn't meet with John Erlickman until around
four pm that afternoon. Therefore, Erlikman couldn't have been the
one that canceled the order for Howard Hunt to leave
the country. The reversal order was given roughly three hours
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before Dean and Erlikman even met, So how did the
order get reversed, and.
Speaker 3 (13:55):
There was a witness to the call being made to Gordon.
Speaker 1 (13:58):
That's when Collodney, co author of Silent Coup.
Speaker 3 (14:01):
Chuck Colson, is sitting in his office.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
Chuck Colson was a White House aide, and.
Speaker 3 (14:05):
In walks John Dene. It's around noontime and John Dene
he says, what happened to Howard Hunt? And Dean says,
hey sent him out of the country, and to which
Colson is, that's the dumbest thing I've ever heard. Yeah,
you're a lawyer, that you're obstructing justice, and he says,
go to the fund. He goes to the phone and
calls Gordon. So that's where the call came from. The
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invocation of Erlickman is again John Dene using an innocent
in order to cover himself. And it's what I think
they call a modus operandi.
Speaker 1 (14:37):
John Dene was a White House lawyer. Why would he
allow himself to get so personally mixed up? And this
whole sortid affair. Well, the potential answer turns the official
Watergate narrative on its head.
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on the Monday after the Watergate break in Arreests, John
Dean began running a cover up. He had reason to
be nervous. It was Dean that hired the apparent ringleader
of the break in, g Gordon Liddy, and it was
Dean that had been present when Liddy pitched his wild
opposition research plan. This made Dean subject to potential criminal prosecution.
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That was perhaps enough of a reason for the White
House liaison to lead a cover up. But around ten
years after President Nixon's resignation, a new theory began to
surface that would explain why John Deane got mixed up
in the whole Watergate affair, and over the years since
its introduction, the theory has only grown more plausible.
Speaker 5 (17:46):
In nineteen eighty four, investigative reporter Jim Hogan published a
book entitled Secret Agenda, and it made an instant splash
in the media.
Speaker 8 (17:55):
As his book title suggests, Hogan says there was a
secret agenda behind the break in into Democratic headquarters undisclosed
till now. Hogan claims that Howard Hunt and James McCord,
who led the break in, never left employment with the CIA,
which used the men to spy on President Nixon.
Speaker 5 (18:12):
Hogan claimed that at the time of the Watergate break in,
the CIA was monitoring a high class call girl operation
down the street from Watergate and the reason why Howard
Hunt and James McCord broke into the Watergate.
Speaker 8 (18:25):
He says the reason the burglars went into the Watergate
was because that's where they could find records of visits
by prominent Democrats to the prostitution ring.
Speaker 5 (18:34):
You may remember a man named Baldwin from earlier in
the series. Alfred Baldwin played lookout on the night of
the failed Watergate break in. He was also the man
that monitored the conversations on the original wire tap that
was supposed to be on the DNC chairman's phone. Baldwin
would later describe conversations on the DNC wire tap that
had little to do with the Democrats' politics. Secret Agenda
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author Jim Hogan described what Baldwin heard on the wire
tap line.
Speaker 6 (19:01):
Now.
Speaker 9 (19:01):
One of the major anomalies the Watergate affair has been that,
while Baldwin was told he was listening to conversations emanating
from inside the DNC, most of those conversations, he told
federal attorneys were sexual in nature.
Speaker 5 (19:14):
Baldwin would eventually testify that the conversations he overheard on
the original Watergate wire tap would lead eight out of
ten listeners to believe that quote that's a call groll ring.
This is a prostitution ring. End quote. Hogan argued in
Secret Agenda that the Watergate break in was to acquire
information related to this prostitution ring, and that the CIA
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was somehow involved in the break in. This theory laid
dormant for about seven years until nineteen ninety one, when
the book Silent Coup The Removal of a President first
hit the scene. In an interview promoting the book, its
co author, Len Cologne explained how Silent Coup expanded on
Hogan's prostitution ring theory and it brought the Watergate break
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in into a shocking new area.
Speaker 10 (20:01):
Phil Bailey was an attorney who represented the criminals and
prostitutes and pimps and assorted people here in Washington in
the late sixties and early seventies, and one of his
clients was a woman named Kathy Dieterer, who set up
a call girl ring after another ring had been raided
on Eighteenth Street in the Columbia Plaza, and mister Bailey,
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working with her, knew that there was a connection between
the Democratic National Committee and her call girl ring.
Speaker 5 (20:28):
He knew about the connection because he was the one
that set it up. This attorney eventually called Lenclodny and
told him that he used his connections at the DNC
to promote his client's prostitution ring. The lawyer explained that
when a DNC staffer named Spencer Oliver was out of
the Watergate office. A phone near his desk was allegedly
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used to arrange meetings between DNC visitors and the call girls.
That phone apparently avoided the DNC office switchboard, allowing for
these scandalous phone calls to be private. This detail was
corroborated by Alfred Baldwin, the man who monitored the wiretap
of the phone. Baldwin said the callers using the phone
would say, we can talk. I'm on Spencer Oliver's phone.
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According to the prostitute's lawyer, pictures of the call girls
were kept in a desk in the DNC, and various
DNC personnel would display this hooker brochure to visitors and
would then arrange meetings with the visitor and the girl
of their choice. And whose desk were these photos in?
According to the prostitute's lawyer, the pictures were in the
desk of Ida Maxie Wells. That name should mean something
(21:47):
to you by now. Remember one of the Cubans that
broke into the DNC headquarters was given a map and
a key to the desk of Ida Maxie Wells.
Speaker 2 (21:56):
He was also given a key and when he was
arrested by the three District of come Umbia police officers.
One of those officers almost shot him because he was
trying to get rid of that key. That key was
to Itomaxine Wells's desk.
Speaker 5 (22:11):
As the prostitute's former lawyer relayed this story, Kollodney, who
was working on a Watergate book at the time, immediately
saw the potential implications of this information. The Watergate break
and was potentially connected to the DNC involvement in a
prostitution ring. So Collodney and his co author began digging
into the claim, trying to find its holes. Collodney reached
(22:33):
out to the Watergate burglar arrested with the desk key.
Speaker 10 (22:36):
I was able to interview mister Martinez, the burglar that
the target was in fact the desk with the photos
number one and number two. The phone that was tapped
at the Watergate was the phone used to make the dates.
Speaker 5 (22:48):
The authors of Silent Coup were also able to find
the real name of the person running the prostitution ring.
Silent Coup co author Robert Getlin revealed the name that
they found.
Speaker 7 (22:59):
We were able to confirm through law enforcement sources.
Speaker 6 (23:02):
US at time her as a people working on the.
Speaker 7 (23:04):
Case that Heidi Reichen in fact had this Kathy Deader
alias and is Kathy Deeter.
Speaker 6 (23:09):
She was a madam so to speak, in this call
girl ring.
Speaker 5 (23:13):
So the Silent Coup authors were able to connect the
call Girl madam's alias to her real name, Heidi Reichen.
And this is where things get interesting.
Speaker 1 (23:22):
Heidi Reichen had a close friend by the name of
Maureen Beiner. The two were once roommates. Maureen Beiner would
later write a book and in it she talked about
her good friend, Heidie Reichen.
Speaker 6 (23:33):
And there was even a picture of Heidie Reichen in there.
Speaker 1 (23:36):
What does this have to do with the Watergate break in,
you might ask, Well, the madam's close friend, Maureen Weiner
had a direct connection to the Watergate scandal. Her fiance
at the time of the Watergate arrests was John Dean,
the White House lawyer running the cover up.
Speaker 7 (23:51):
She had been his girlfriend Maureen Weiner previous to the marriage.
The secret to understand, or the ticket to understanding all
this is that Dean knew that at the Democratic National Committee,
and specifically the desk that we discussed earlier in the
telephone the.
Speaker 6 (24:06):
Call Girly was being facilitated.
Speaker 7 (24:07):
How did Dean know that he knew because Maureen Byner
is then girlfriend had a roommate, Heidi Reichen, who went
by an alias Kathy Deeter.
Speaker 1 (24:22):
So, according to the authors of Silent Coop, before the
first Watergate breaking occurred, John Dean knew from his girlfriend
who was close friends with the Madam, that the DNC
was using the madam's prostitution services.
Speaker 7 (24:34):
And he wanted to get sexual dirt out of that operation.
Speaker 1 (24:38):
Again, Lenn Kalodney, co author of Silent Coup, there's.
Speaker 10 (24:41):
No question what the target of the break in is now.
The target of the break in is in fact that complex,
that desk and that phone. To understand that Kathy Deeter
is really Heidie Reichen, who is Maureen Bner's old girlfriend
from Texas who she was staying with here in Washington.
That's how Dean found out the sexual dirt was there
(25:02):
to get.
Speaker 1 (25:03):
They believed John Dene was the person that ordered the
original May nineteen seventy two break in of the DNC
to get sexual a dirt to gain the favour of
the Oval office. But after the first break in, something
happened On June ninth, nineteen seventy two, a week before
the final Watergate break in, news of the Columbia Plaza
(25:23):
prostitution ring hit the front page of the Washington Star.
The headline read Capitol Hill call girl ring. The story
continued stating, quote, the FBI here has uncovered a high
priced call girl ran allegedly headed by a Washington attorney
and staffed by secretaries and office workers from Capitol Hill
and involving at least one White House secretary, sources said today.
(25:46):
The news reportedly piqued John Dene's interest, and he called
the federal prosecutors in the case to his White House office,
directing them to bring all of their evidence. The federal
prosecutors complied, and, according to the authors of Silent Coup,
John Dene perused through the evidence and found a name,
Maureen Biner. Dean found his fiance's name in the Columbia
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Plausa's trick books. The authors believe this triggered John Deane
into action. The Silent Coup authors interviewed G. Gordon Lyddy's
boss Magruder, and he told them on tape that it
was John Dean that ordered the break into the DNC office.
Dean met with the prosecutors of the Washington DC Call
Girl ring on a Friday. The following Monday, Magruder called
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Lyddy to his office and told him he needed to
send his team back into the DNC for a second time.
Dean's alleged motive was to retrieve any damning information on
his fiance in the desk of Ida Maxie Wells. Again,
Lenn Collodney, co author of Silent Coup.
Speaker 10 (26:48):
The real borders were going directly from Dean to Hunt,
and mister Martinez was given a key and was arrested
with the key that fit that desk, and he was
arrested with a floor plan with that X mark. And
he then told us himself, in his own words, that
was the target. Her desk and that phone were in
fact the target of the Watergate break in.
Speaker 1 (27:09):
Journalist James Rosen would later pick up on where the
book's Silent Agenda and Secret Coup left off. According to Rosen,
in writing his book about Nixon's former Attorney General, John Mitchell,
his research tended to confirm the allegation that John Dene's fiance,
Marien Biner, had her own ties to the Columbia Plaza
call Girl operation. Here's James Rosen discussing the issue in
(27:31):
a two thousand and eight speech.
Speaker 11 (27:32):
So the question is having identified what the real target was,
why it was worth bugging, which we know now from
the sexually graphic material on there. Who would have been
in a position to know that our Spencer Oliver's phone
was worth bugging? And as I say in the book,
John Dean is the only logical candidate because of the
allegations about his wife and Columbia Plaza in the nineteen nineties.
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Mister Dean and missus Dean, who I should point out,
deny these charges vigorously, either that he ordered the Watergate
operation or that she has had anything to do with
prostitution activity. In the nineteen nineties, they sued Gordon Lyddy
for espousing this theory and others. The litigation went on
for nine years without ever going to trial, and that
litigation saw offshoot litigation.
Speaker 1 (28:15):
In one of the cases, Ida Maxiwells sued g Gordon
Liddy for defamation based on his statements that she was
involved in a call girl ran. The Fourth Circuit Court
sent the case back to Maryland with a statement stating,
quote this evidence tends to corroborate the call girl theory
generally end quote. This was from the federal Appellate Court,
one step below the Supreme Court. When the case was
(28:38):
sent back to Maryland, it went to trial, and the
former prosecutor of the nineteen seventy two Columbia Plaza prosecution
ring the same prosecutor that was called to John Dene's
office the week before the failed Watergate break in that
prosecutor testified that his team had developed credible evidence showing
that quote employees at the DNC were assisting in getting
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the Democrats connected with the prostitutes at the Columbia Plaza.
And he then added a bombshell stating that the investigation
was shut down in the summer of nineteen seventy two
by the district's US attorney, who believed a probe into
the prostitution ring was a political time bomb for the Democrats.
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The jury in this two thousand and two case eventually
decided in Liddy's favor, again James Rosen, And.
Speaker 11 (29:27):
As a result of all that litigation, there was testimony
adduced to the record that tended to confirm this Dean's
relationship with Columbia Plaza.
Speaker 1 (29:35):
John Dean and Maureen Beiner, as well as Ida Maxie Wells,
have always vehemently denied any involvement in prostitution activity, and
John Deane maintained that he didn't know about the break
ins before they happened, that at the end of nearly
ten years of litigation, out a single word of silent
coup or secret agenda was retracted. In his two thousand
(30:01):
and eight speech at the Nixon Library, heralded journalist James
Rosen answered the question of who he thought directed the
Watergate break in.
Speaker 11 (30:08):
Who ordered Watergate, then John Dean, according to the evidence
that I developed and the research that I conducted, is
the most logical answer for that question.
Speaker 1 (30:17):
If this prevailing theory is correct, it means John Dene
ordered the initial Watergate break in to exploit his knowledge
of the DNC's use of the prostitution ring, and then
after the ring hit the newspapers, he ordered the second
break in to conceal his fiance's connection to the ring,
and he did it with the CIA monitoring the entire operation.
Speaker 5 (30:37):
Allegedly, after the five burglars were arrested, there was no
investigation as to why they committed the break in. They
were caught red handed. The reason why seemed evident the
Nixon reelection committee wanted political dirt on their opponent. Hours
after John dene canceled that get out of the country order,
(31:00):
he met with Nixon's close adviser John Erlickman and told
him that G. Gordon Lyddy was involved in the break in.
A day later, Dean met with the reelection committee and
reportedly informed them that Lyddy assured him that his team
would not say a word, but they needed their legal
expenses covered. The legal fees were paid by the reelection team.
(31:20):
At the time, the payment wasn't thought to be inappropriate.
The families caught up in the affair were suffering. It
was dispersed for humanitarian reasons. In the wake of the arrest,
Nixon's inner circle didn't want to ask the director of
the reelection Committee, John Mitchell, if he was involved, because
that would pull the White House into the affair, but
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Nixon's Chief of Staff Bob Haldeman did approach Mitchell and
suggested that if something embarrassing was likely to service about
the break in, maybe it was best he resigned before
the information came out. Just two weeks after the arrest
John Mitchell resigned from the re election Committee. President Nixon
called on his new Attorney general to perform a full
(32:01):
investigation into the break in. Howard Hunt and G. Gordon
Liddy were both indicted. John Deane finagled his way into
observing the FBI investigation and periodically gave status updates to
Nixon's inner circle on how the investigation was progressing. He
also provided the information to the Defense Council. As the
summer of nineteen seventy two came to a close. In
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the eyes of the investigators, the break in was isolated
to the re election Committee. Although embarrassing for the White House,
it did not reach into the Oval Office. On September fifteenth,
(32:43):
nineteen seventy two, John Deane met with President Nixon for
the very first time. Nixon's Chief of Staff Haldeman, joined
the meeting. Dean met with the President to update him
on the progress of the instigation into the break in.
(33:04):
The consensus in the room was that it was good
that Hunt and Liddy were indicted.
Speaker 11 (33:11):
Five plus the MO guy.
Speaker 2 (33:15):
On that's good that that.
Speaker 11 (33:18):
Takes the end off my one.
Speaker 5 (33:19):
John Dene told them that the investigation was taking up
more resources than the investigation into JFK's assassination.
Speaker 3 (33:27):
The retort would have.
Speaker 12 (33:28):
Been, again, they are really alarmed.
Speaker 5 (33:42):
Nixon's chief of staff expressed that he couldn't believe how
big this quote silly ass damn thing had gotten. President
Nixon agreed. He recalled that his campaign plane was bugged
in nineteen sixty eight by the FBI on order of
President Johnson. He said that if it weren't for the
(34:03):
fact that LBJ ordered it, he'd use it to his advantage,
but he decided against it because it would have negatively
reflected on both the former president and the FBI. John
Deane gave his assessment of the state of the Watergate situation.
He said, quote, I think that I can say that
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fifty four days from now, not a thing will come
crashing down to our surprise. In other words, in John
Dene's estimation, by election day nineteen seventy two, the pitfalls
of the Watergate affair would be behind them. But John
Dene's prediction wouldn't age.
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Welcome back to Red Pilled America. In John Dene's estimation,
by election day nineteen seventy two, the pitfalls of the
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Watergate affair would be behind them. But John Dene's prediction
wouldn't age well. On election Day, Nixon, of course, won
in a historic landslide. A few months later, on January thirtieth,
nineteen seventy three, just days after Nixon announced the end
of the Vietnam War, the Watergate burglars were convicted. It
(36:43):
would have been understandable if people closely watching the case
believe that the Watergate fiasco was coming to a close.
The prosecutors presented the case to Judge John Sirica, stating
that G. Gordon Lyddy was the mastermind and that there
were no higher ups involved in the break in. That
should have been the end of the affair, but Judge
had something different in mind. Washington Post reporter Bob Woodward
(37:07):
would later reflect on how his newspaper impacted Judge Serrica's
decision making on the case.
Speaker 13 (37:13):
And I think where there was real impact was with
two subscribers the Washington Post. The first was Judge Sirrica,
who was trying the Watergate burglars, and in his courtroom
they had the Watergate burglars and Howard Hunt Gordon Letty,
the operational commanders, and they presented the prosecutors presented the
(37:36):
case saying Gordon Letty's the mastermind. No higher ups are involved.
And Judge Sirrica is reading in the Washington Post quite
regularly that higher ups are involved. And I talked to
him many years later about this, and he said when
he saw that, he then cranked up his questioning of
(37:58):
the burglars, and in fact he threatened twenty five years
sent if they didn't start cooperating.
Speaker 5 (38:05):
John Sirica was looking to use the Watergate case to
increase his profile. He warned Liddy, Hunt and the burglars
that if they didn't plead guilty to everything, he'd send
them to jail for the rest of their lives. Judge
Sirrica played it smart. He postponed their sentencing for roughly
two months, hoping someone would crack and help expand the case.
(38:26):
To the Oval Office to help ensure the investigation wouldn't
end with his sentencing, Judge Sirica called for the Senate
to investigate the White House's involvement in the Watergate break in.
A week later, the Democrat controlled Senate responded.
Speaker 14 (38:40):
The Senate tonight voted seventy seven to nothing to establish
a select committee to investigate alleged political espionage in last
year's election campaign that includes the Watergate bugging case. The
committee will be headed by North Carolina Democrat Sam Irvin.
Speaker 5 (38:55):
That's when the networks began to cover the scandal full time.
The Democrat senator leading the Select Committee, sam Irvin, was
a segregationist. He hoped to create a show trial. He
just needed someone from Nixon's camp to create the drama.
Speaker 1 (39:11):
As sentencing day approached, Howard Hunt began to crack. A
few months earlier, his wife died in a plane crash,
leaving him with four children, one with special needs. At
the time, he was fifty four years old and he
was facing the rest of his life in prison, so
Hunt began to lean on the Nixon re election committee.
A week before sentencing, Hunt's lawyer contacted the chief desk
(39:33):
operator of the cover up, John Dean, and demanded seventy
five thousand for legal fees and another fifty thousand for
walk around money for his family. Dean called President Nixon's
closest adviser, John Erlickman, and informed him of Hunt's demand.
Erlickman reportedly responded saying, quote sounds like blackmail to me.
Erlickman suggested John Dene call the former director of the
(39:56):
Election Committee, John Mitchell. This was not a White House issue.
It was a re election committee concerned with the sentencing
just two days away, and no doubt, feeling that the
walls were closing in on his cover up operation, John
Dene asked for a meeting with President Nixon.
Speaker 12 (40:13):
The reason I thought we ought to talk to Sony
is because in our conversations I have the impression that
you don't know everything I know, and it makes it
very difficult for you to make judgments that if only
you could make.
Speaker 9 (40:29):
On some of these things.
Speaker 1 (40:30):
And I thought that Nixon interjected wondering if they shouldn't
unravel something not going to give you.
Speaker 12 (40:36):
My overall first and I think that there's no doubt
about the seriousness or problem works we've got. We have
a cancer within close to the presidency.
Speaker 15 (40:46):
It's growing.
Speaker 12 (40:48):
It's growing daily. It's a compounding. It grows geometrically. Now
because of the compounds, it sucks. That'll be clear if
I claimed you know some of the details.
Speaker 1 (41:10):
Nixon was about to get the full scope of what
John dene and the reelection team had done. But what
President Nixon didn't know at the time was that he
was speaking to the man who was going to end
his presidency.
Speaker 5 (41:26):
Coming up on red pilled America.
Speaker 2 (41:28):
What did the president know and when did he know it?
Speaker 16 (41:31):
I made my mistakes, but in all of my years
of public life, I have never profited from public service.
I've earned every cent, and in all of my years
of public life, I have never obstructed justice. And I
think too that I could say that in my years
of public life that I welcome this kind of examination
because people have got to know whether or not their
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president's a crook. Well, I'm not a crook. I've earned
everything I've got but the butterfield.
Speaker 8 (41:57):
Are you aware of the installation of any listening devices
and the oval office of the President?
Speaker 12 (42:03):
I was aware of listening devices, Yes, sir.
Speaker 15 (42:08):
President Nixon has not yet responded to the sledgehammer decision
of the Supreme Court today which ruled that he must
immediately turn over tapes of sixty four presidential conversation.
Speaker 11 (42:19):
What you would see is subtle but significant changes in
witnesses testimony from closed door to three days later when
they go on television.
Speaker 10 (42:26):
John Dene pulled off an incredible hoax, and he pulled
it off on the Watergate Committee, and he pulled it
off on the courts, and he pulled it off on
the American people, and in a sense, he erased the election.
Speaker 5 (42:39):
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I’m Jay Shetty host of On Purpose the worlds #1 Mental Health podcast and I’m so grateful you found us. I started this podcast 5 years ago to invite you into conversations and workshops that are designed to help make you happier, healthier and more healed. I believe that when you (yes you) feel seen, heard and understood you’re able to deal with relationship struggles, work challenges and life’s ups and downs with more ease and grace. I interview experts, celebrities, thought leaders and athletes so that we can grow our mindset, build better habits and uncover a side of them we’ve never seen before. New episodes every Monday and Friday. Your support means the world to me and I don’t take it for granted — click the follow button and leave a review to help us spread the love with On Purpose. I can’t wait for you to listen to your first or 500th episode!
Crime Junkie
Does hearing about a true crime case always leave you scouring the internet for the truth behind the story? Dive into your next mystery with Crime Junkie. Every Monday, join your host Ashley Flowers as she unravels all the details of infamous and underreported true crime cases with her best friend Brit Prawat. From cold cases to missing persons and heroes in our community who seek justice, Crime Junkie is your destination for theories and stories you won’t hear anywhere else. Whether you're a seasoned true crime enthusiast or new to the genre, you'll find yourself on the edge of your seat awaiting a new episode every Monday. If you can never get enough true crime... Congratulations, you’ve found your people. Follow to join a community of Crime Junkies! Crime Junkie is presented by audiochuck Media Company.
Cardiac Cowboys
The heart was always off-limits to surgeons. Cutting into it spelled instant death for the patient. That is, until a ragtag group of doctors scattered across the Midwest and Texas decided to throw out the rule book. Working in makeshift laboratories and home garages, using medical devices made from scavenged machine parts and beer tubes, these men and women invented the field of open heart surgery. Odds are, someone you know is alive because of them. So why has history left them behind? Presented by Chris Pine, CARDIAC COWBOYS tells the gripping true story behind the birth of heart surgery, and the young, Greatest Generation doctors who made it happen. For years, they competed and feuded, racing to be the first, the best, and the most prolific. Some appeared on the cover of Time Magazine, operated on kings and advised presidents. Others ended up disgraced, penniless, and convicted of felonies. Together, they ignited a revolution in medicine, and changed the world.