September 23, 2025 • 42 mins
Why are the media & Hollywood so obsessed with Richard Nixon? In Part Six, we explore the creation of The White House Plumbers – a group formed by Nixon to plug top-secret leaks. We also hear from Geoff Shepard – author of The Nixon Conspiracy.
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Speaker 2 (00:30):
Previously on Red Pilled.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
America, McNamara decided to commission a report. It was a
harshly anti war document.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
They kept personal copies in the top secret safe in
the Washington offices of the Rand Corporation.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
Ellsberg began smuggling the Pentagon study out of the safe
at the Rand Corporation.
Speaker 3 (00:49):
The New York Times began publishing top secret sensitive details
and documents.
Speaker 4 (00:53):
The Supreme Court today ruled that the New York Times
and the Washington Post may continue to publish the secret
Pentagon papers.
Speaker 5 (01:00):
People have got to be put to the porch for
this sort of thing.
Speaker 6 (01:02):
That no one has proved that the Republicans are behind
the break in.
Speaker 7 (01:06):
The voters have returned to President Nixon to the White
House by our landslide.
Speaker 1 (01:10):
Why are Hollywood and the media so obsessed with Nixon?
Speaker 2 (01:16):
I'm Patrick Curlcy and I'm Adriana Cortez.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
And this is Red Pilled America, a storytelling show.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
This is not another talk show covering the day's news.
We are all about telling stories.
Speaker 1 (01:29):
Stories. Hollywood doesn't want you to hear stories.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
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Speaker 1 (01:38):
You could think of Red Pilled America as audio documentaries,
and we promise only one thing, the truth. Welcome to
Red Pilled America. We're at part six of our series
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of episodes entitled The Fighter. You've probably heard Part five,
but if you haven't, stop and go back and listen
from the beginning. We're looking for the answer to the
question why are the media and Hollywood so obsessed with
Richard Nixon? By telling the often ignored story of his life.
So to pick up where we left off. By the
end of nineteen seventy two, President Nixon had brought a
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sense of normalcy back to America. He cooled two decades
of tension with China and Russia, and perhaps most importantly,
the Vietnam War was on the verge of ending The
American people rewarded him on election day by giving him
one of the biggest landslides in American history. He won
forty nine states, losing only in Ted Kennedy's Massachusetts and
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the swamp of Washington, d c. And what made his
lopsided win even more impressive was that there were eleven
million new youngsters in the voting booth, carab the twenty
sixth Amendment. As he opened his second term in January
nineteen seventy three, he immediately delivered for this new constituency.
Speaker 5 (02:59):
Good evening.
Speaker 3 (03:00):
I have asked for this radio and television time tonight
for the purpose of announcing that we today have concluded
an agreement to end the war and bring peace with
honor in Vietnam and in Southeast Asia, at.
Speaker 8 (03:14):
Twelve thirty Paris.
Speaker 3 (03:15):
Time to day, January twenty three, nineteen seventy three. The
Agreement on ending the War and restoring peace in Vietnam
was initialed by Doctor Henry Kissinger on behalf of the
United States and Special Advisor Lee Doctor on behalf of
the Democratic Republic of Vietnam.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
Richard Milhouse Nixon, the Fighter from your Belinda brought an
end to this seemingly endless war, a deadly war initiated
and escalated by two Democrat presidents. America had a leader
for the ages, but behind the scenes, something was brewing.
His historic win was quietly under attacked by a powerful
enemy that would come to be known as the deep State.
Speaker 2 (03:59):
When Daniel Ellsberg leaked the top secret Pentagon papers in
Ia teen seventy one, President Nixon was deeply concerned that
America would no longer have an orderly government, and he
looked to write the ship.
Speaker 5 (04:10):
I told Holoman the day, and I also told the cabinet,
and I told him Mitchela, We're going to fight all
out in this thing. The point is that the Elsburg case,
however it comes out, is going to get all through
this government among the intellectual types and the people that
have no loyalties, the idea that they will be the
ones that will determine what's good for this country. That's right,
Odnam that they weren't elected and they're not going to
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determine it that way.
Speaker 2 (04:34):
President Nixon saw Daniel Ellsberg's leak as a security breach
of the highest magnitude. On many levels. It had real
life and death consequences. The Pentagon Papers portrayed a weakening
America to the Vietcong enemy, a display that emboldened the
enemy's resolve. American soldiers, no doubt died because of the leak.
The FBI also informed Nixon's team that the documents were
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given to the Soviet embassy. This was a troubling possibility.
If Moscow had both an encrypted cast of a document
and its original unencrypted version as published in the Pentagon Papers,
the Soviet Union would be able to crack America's encryption code.
If this wasn't enough, Elsberg could cause further damage.
Speaker 6 (05:15):
Elsberg had access to fifty four thousand pages of other
classified documents because he was a consultant for the Rand
Corporation out in Santa Monica.
Speaker 2 (05:27):
That's Jeff Shepherd, author of The Nixon Conspiracy. Jeff is
the leading expert on Watergate and was a one time
member of the Nixon Watergate defense team. He recalls Nixon's
inner circle view on Daniel Elsberg.
Speaker 6 (05:38):
At the time, he had been sneaking the forty eight
volumes of the Pentagon Papers out at night making photocopies,
and they didn't know what else he had done. The
Pentagon Papers league was deemed to be the most significant
national security breach in modern history, so they were scrambling
to figure out what else could he do.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
After the Supreme Court gave the New York Times and
others the right to publish top secret documents like the
Pentagon Papers, the security crisis escalated because the decision sent
a message to other government leakers. Perhaps there'd be no
real consequences for leaking top secret documents. President Nixon believed
that Daniel Elsberg had to be stopped and destroyed to
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send a message to any further leakers.
Speaker 5 (06:25):
People have got to be put to the torture for
this sort of thing.
Speaker 1 (06:27):
This is terrible.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
The problem was Nixon had limited options. He couldn't turn
to the media, they were busy making a martyr out
of Elsburg, and perhaps even more surprisingly, he couldn't get
help from the FBI. One of FBI Director Jay Edgar
Hoover's best friends was Daniel Elsberg's father in law, Lewis Marx.
Marx was a successful toy maker that gave Hoover toys
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to distribute to kids at Christmas time, so Hoover refused
to investigate Elsberg. In fact, when an FBI agent attempted
to interview Elsbrog's father in law. Hoover tried to demote
the agent. The Nixon administration was on its own, so
the president turned to his White House Domestic Affairs advisor,
John Erlikman, with the directive find the leaks and plug them.
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As a result, the White House Special Investigations Unit was formed,
but the team would come to be known by a
different name again, Jeff Shephard.
Speaker 6 (07:27):
Now when the Pentagon papers laked, the White House created
this unit to stop lenkes, called the Plumbers because they
were supposed to stop lakes.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
The Plumbers quietly began working in the summer of nineteen
seventy one. John Erlickman would periodically give Nixon updates on
their efforts. They worked to find any co conspirators and
were able to plant negative Elsburg stories with friendly journalists
to combat the media's martyr treatment. The Plumbers also scanned
newspaper reports looking for traces of leaked information. By the
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end of the year, their work began to taper off,
but not before finding a startling leak that needed to
be put At the time, in December nineteen seventy one,
Nixon was working privately with his National security advisor Henry
Kissinger to forge his foreign policy in Vietnam, China, and
the Soviet Union. In doing so, Nixon kept the establishment
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in the dark about his decision making, including the Joint
chiefs of Staff housed at the Pentagon. The Joint chiefs
of Staff are the most senior military leaders from the
Department of Defense, and they were angry that Nixon was
executing foreign policy without their guidance, so they took action.
In a stunning move, the plumbers learned that to bypass
their isolation, the Joint chiefs of Staff began spying on
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the president. For over a year, a yowman from their
White House liaison office was stealing documents from Henry Kissinger's
briefcase and burn bags. He'd then feed them up the
chain of command to the highest levels of the Joint
chiefs of Staff. Then they'd leak select information to the
press to force their influence on the president's foreign policy.
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Was what's a startling discovery, But perhaps even more troubling
was that Nixon's deputy National Security Advisor, General Haig, was
implicated in the spying operation. You may remember General Haig
from a previous episode. He was the one that first
brought attention to the importance of the Pentagon Paper's leap
to Nixon, also.
Speaker 5 (09:22):
That trist in the world are very significant. This goddamn
New York Times expos of the most highly classified documents
of the war.
Speaker 2 (09:32):
What was Nixon to do? The Joint Chiefs were considered
a Republican friendly institution. If he attempted to prosecute the
liaison spy, further investigation would ultimately lead to both the
Joint Chiefs of Staff and even reach all the way
into the White House with Alexander Haigh. There were already
tensions between Nixon's inner circle and the Pentagon over the
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Pentagon Paper's leaks. Prosecutions would surely exacerbate the rift with
the crucial military department, So Nixon's Attorney General, John Mitchell
came up with solution.
Speaker 5 (10:05):
Her mind before fighting at which stopt operations here.
Speaker 2 (10:10):
To Mitchell, the most important thing was to end the
spying operation, so he suggested that the President close the
Joint Chiefs of Staff Liaison office. By doing so, the
Pentagon would be put on notice if the White House
was aware of their spying operation. That would avoid the
upheaval of prosecutions. Nixon agreed and immediately ordered the closure
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of the liaison office. He was choosing the best way
out of a bad situation, but something was clear. President
Nixon was surrounded by the d C swamp.
Speaker 1 (10:46):
By the end of nineteen seventy one, the activity of
the Plumber's unit had quietly, perhaps mysteriously, tapered off. It
was around this time that Nixon went on a remarkable
run of historic events, venturing to China, then the Soviet Union.
But shortly after his return from Moscow, he was hit
with some surprising news.
Speaker 4 (11:05):
The Democratic National Committee is trying to solve a spy mystery.
He began before dawn Saturday, when five incruiters were captured
by police inside the offices of the Committee in Washington.
Speaker 1 (11:15):
On June seventeenth, nineteen seventy two, the news broke that
five burglars were arrested for breaking into the Democrat National
Committee's headquarters at the Watergate Complex in Washington, d C.
From the outset, there was no question that Nixon's re
election committee were involved somehow. One of the five arrested
was James McCord. McCord was an ex CIA officer who
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was at the time working as the head of security
for the Committee for the Reelection of the President, often
mockingly referred to as Creep. About three months before the
break in, John Mitchell resigned as Attorney General to head
the nineteen seventy two re election committee. It was a
familiar job to Mitchell, He'd led Nixon's first successful White
House run. When the break in hit the news, Mitchell
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spoke to the media.
Speaker 7 (11:58):
Neither the President, obviously, or anybody in the White House,
or anybody in a and any of the committees working
for the reelection of the President, have any responsibility for it,
and therefore there's no reason why it should be a
matter of concern to the American public.
Speaker 1 (12:13):
John Mitchell thought his remarks rang true. The re election
committee was completely separate from the White House. Again, Jeff Shepherd,
there's the White House.
Speaker 6 (12:21):
It's a physical place. The White House compound includes not
just the residents, but the West Wing and the old
Executive office building. It's all friends doaf heavily guarden Kitty
cornered across the street from seventeenth in Pennsylvania Avenue, is
an office building seventeen oh one Pennsylvania Avenue, that's where
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the campaign committee was, So people who were working on
the campaign, even if they came from the White House staff,
went across the street and reported for work in a
physically separate building. Now, most of the people working on
the re election campaign either came from the White House
or from the Department of Justice, because that's where Attorney
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General John Metschell was, But they weren't employees of the government,
they were employees of the campaign.
Speaker 1 (13:12):
Also, the person who was the liaison between the White
House and the re election Committee, a guy named John Dean,
continually assured Nixon's inner circle that no one from the
White House was involved in the break in. By most accounts,
the White House's inner circle were blindsided and confused by
the break in. As details emerged, something didn't smell right
about the operation. The five who were arrested all had
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some connection to the CIA. The one re election committee
staffer that was arrested, James McCord, was a former CIA agent,
and the other four burglars were Cubans active in the
anti Castro movement and were recruited to the team by
a guy named E. Howard Hunt, a former CIA officer.
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The burglars were caught with several leads for law enforcement
to investigate. For one, they had a floor plan of
the Democrat National Committee headquarters office layout on it was
an X marked at a specific desk. They also had
what looked like a desk key and a hotel room key.
They searched the hotel room and found five thousand uncirculated
one hundred dollars bills, sequentially numbered. Within just a few days,
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they traced that cash to President Nixon's re election campaign.
The break in was quickly connected to Nixon's re election committee,
which wasn't hard because one of the guys who was
arrested was the head of security for Nixon's re election committee.
Six days after the break in, President Nixon met with
his chief of staff, a guy named Bob Haldeman, and
in that meeting, it's clear that Nixon was unaware of
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the break in before it happened, because he asked his
chief of staff who was the a hole that orchestrated
the Watergate break in, and he learned that it was
a man named g. Gordon Liddy. If you didn't catch that,
President Nixon said, he must be a little nuts. I mean,
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he just isn't well screwed on?
Speaker 7 (15:10):
Is he?
Speaker 1 (15:11):
Who was this g Gordon lady character? Well, this is
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Welcome back to red pilled America. So just six days
after the June nineteen seventy two watergate break in, Nixon
learned that a man named G. Gordon Liddy was possibly
the guy that led the break in operation.
Speaker 7 (17:27):
Who was this G.
Speaker 2 (17:28):
Gordon Liddy character, Well, he was a member of the
Plumbers again.
Speaker 6 (17:33):
Jeff Shepherd my boss, my immediate boss. Bud Krogue was
the head plumber, and Lyddy was the chief operating officer
of the Plumbers.
Speaker 2 (17:43):
Lyddy being G. Gordon Lyddy. When the Plumbers were first
formed in the summer of nineteen seventy one, Lyddy had
just finished a stint working law enforcement at the Treasury
Department with head plumber Bud Krug. Lyddy was also a
former FBI agent. The Plumber team also included a lawyer
named David Young and another guy named Howard Hunt, a
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twenty plus year veteran of the CIA.
Speaker 5 (18:07):
When G.
Speaker 2 (18:08):
Gordon Liddy joined the Plumber's team, their first order of
business was investigating Daniel Elsberg. Liddy would later reflect on
why targeting Elsberg was so urgent.
Speaker 9 (18:18):
The FBI surveillance of the then Soviet embassy up on
Sixteenth Street turned up the fact that somebody identity unknown
had given the whole shooting match to the Soviet.
Speaker 2 (18:28):
Union, the whole shooting match being the Pentagon papers.
Speaker 9 (18:31):
Maybe it was Elsburg, Maybe it was somebody else.
Speaker 6 (18:33):
But we needed to know that.
Speaker 2 (18:35):
And as we explained earlier, the enemy could use the
Pentagon papers to crack ENCRYPTI documents.
Speaker 9 (18:40):
And because we knew that Elsberg and his associates had
taken out other stuff too, we didn't know what Elsburg
had in addition to what he said he had. We
didn't know where he had its stashed, where he was
keeping it. We didn't know whether Elsburg was a romantic
loaner of the left acting out of conscience the way
he was being portrayed in the press, or whether he
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was in with the show with the KGB and had
gone over to the other side. And so it was
important that we know that because he had additional stuff
and we didn't know what he was going to do
with it.
Speaker 3 (19:11):
So g.
Speaker 2 (19:11):
Gordon Lyddy and his plumber colleague Howard Hunt first turned
to the FBI for insight on Ellsberg.
Speaker 9 (19:17):
So what we did was we checked with the FBI,
what do we know about Elsberg? Well, they said he
has terminated the services of a psychiatrist named Fielding out
in Beverly Hills, to whom he used to go. But
in spite of that fact, he still calls that doctor
on the phone almost every day, discusses the more intimate
details of his daily life with him, and we said
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to ourselves, well, if he's doing that, maybe he would
discuss with the Good Doctor what else he's taken out
of the rams safe where he's keeping it, whether he
gave this stuff to the Soviet Union, what he intends
to do with the stuff that he has, and the
Good Doctor might have put it in the file. So
then we said to the FBI, get the doctor's files
so we can check that. And we of course also
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wanted to know one of the doctor's files so we
can do a psychological profile Ondaniel Elsberg. The FBI tried
to get the information from the doctor, and the FBI
failed because all they did was just say would give
it to us please, and he said no.
Speaker 5 (20:11):
And that was it.
Speaker 2 (20:13):
Information from the FBI dried up because, as you recall,
the FBI's director at the time, j Edgar Hoover, was
close friends with Elsberg's father in law, making the FBI
a dead end. So the team turned to the CIA.
The plumbers asked the CIA to put together a psychological
profile on Elsberg to figure out what he'd do next. Again,
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g Gordon Liddy and.
Speaker 9 (20:43):
We had approached the CIA for a psychological profile. They said,
we'll give us your holdings on Elsburg and we did,
which consisted really just of newspaper stories, and they came
back with the psychological profile that we didn't think was
very good, and they said, well, you know, garbage and
garbage out.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
So they brainstormed for a bit. The plumbers believed that
the psychiatrist had some information about Elsberg's actions, both past
and future, but there was only two options to retrieve it.
One was to get a search warrant, but that was
a no go. They didn't want to go to court
and reveal national security sensitive information and at the time
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there was no PIZA court. That's when g Gordon Lyddy
and Howard Hunt came up with the second option again
Jeff Shepherd.
Speaker 6 (21:31):
So they decided what they should do is go have
a look at his files on Elsberg. Now he wouldn't
share them, so they hit upon this idea of going
in surreptitiously. Gordon says, look, we used to do this
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stuff all the time. The FBI would go in, those
were called black bag jobs. The CIA would go in,
those were called surreptitious entries. Now Lyddy had worked for
the FBI. He said he'd done these himself and his
colleague Howard Hunt, who becomes a consultant to the Plumbers,
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is a career CIA officer. He says, no, we did
them by the CIA. They were called sarafitious entries. We
should do that with Elsberg's shrink.
Speaker 2 (22:28):
Both Lyddy and Hunt assured the Plumber leadership that this
type of activity had been going on for forty years.
These were FBI and CIA veterans, and at the time
this type of activity was rampant in the intel community.
The FBI used covert tactics to infiltrate subversive groups like
the Communist Party USA, the Black Panthers, the Nation of Islam,
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and the KKK, to name a few. So the legal
mind of the Plumbers, David Young, looked at the idea
and concluded that it met the national security exemption of
the Fourth Amendment on search and seizures.
Speaker 6 (22:59):
And David Young, a very competent accomplished for maintained that
yes we did. We had an absolute right to do it.
Speaker 2 (23:10):
In other words, in cases where national security was in jeopardy.
By their interpretation, the executive branch could enter a premises
without a search warrant, so they turned to Nixon's domestic
affairs advisor John Erlickman for authorization on what they called
a covert operation. Legal covert operations were nothing new, so
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Erlickman approved it, but he told them that it could
not be connected to the White House staff. The Plumber
team thought fair enough, maybe a honeypock could help them
get into the psychiatrist's office. They tried to recruit a
pretty barmaid to work her way in, but she was
afraid she wouldn't be able to pull it off.
Speaker 6 (23:49):
Howard Hunt says, well, I've had to deal for you.
Getting ready for the Bay of Pigs. We recruited these
Cubans and I was in charge of recruiting the Cubans
and my secret name was EDWARDO. So they're still in
the little Havanah, you know they're around. I'd go get
my friends. We'll tell them this is national security.
Speaker 2 (24:12):
And that's when the Plumber's plan began to go astray.
Howard Hunt rounded up the Cubans that he'd worked with
while at the CIA, grabbed some surveillance cere from the CIA,
then on labor day, nineteen seventy one, Hunt, Liddy, and
the Cubans took a trip to doctor Fielding's office in
Beverly Hills. Hunt and Liddy then sent the Cubans to
the doctor's office.
Speaker 6 (24:33):
The difficulty is they can't pick the lock, so Liddy says,
I'm not coming back. Just break in. Make it look
like you're after prescription drugs. You know, he's a shrink.
He can get prescriptions and scatter some stuff on the floor,
so it looks like a drug breaking.
Speaker 2 (24:50):
So the Cubans broken, pulled out a camera provided to
them by the CIA, and took some pictures. The Cubans
would later tell Liddy that they couldn't find Daniel Ellsbrog's
file and what about the pictures. Well, the camera why
the CIA provided, was apparently constructed in such a way
that only the CIA could open it to access the film.
The team returned the camera to the CIA, and the
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plumbers never saw it again. The whole thing was strange.
The entire team, except for Lyddy, was connected to the CIA,
and the only people that could get the film out
of the camera were the CIA as well. It was
as if the CIA was actually running the break in. Operation. Well,
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when Nixon's Domestic Affairs advisor, John Erlickman learned about what
Lydian Hunt had done in Beverly Hills, he was stunned.
He'd authorized a legal covert operation, not a break in.
There was too much gray area here, and that was
it for Erlickman. He wanted to boot lydian Hunt off
the White House Plumbers team. A few days later, Erlickman
met with President Nixon to fill him in on what
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the plumbers were learning about Daniel Ellsberg. They'd been gathering
some useful intel, things like how the documents were handed
off to the Times, if he had any co conspirators,
but when he got around to discussing what transpired at
the psychiatrist's office, he opted to keep it from the President.
Speaker 7 (26:14):
Tomorrow.
Speaker 6 (26:15):
We'll review as we try to do.
Speaker 5 (26:18):
The league.
Speaker 7 (26:19):
We had one oftle operation, the memorder down Loman, where.
Speaker 6 (26:24):
I think it is better than he.
Speaker 2 (26:27):
The United The White House Plumber leadership continued their work
finding leaks and plugging them, but they wanted the loose
cannons off the unit.
Speaker 1 (26:36):
It was around that time that the Committee for the
re Election of the President or CREEP, was heating up
across the street from the White House. The committee had
raised almost too much money, around ten million in nineteen
seventy one dollars, and they needed to spend it. The
acting director of CREEP at the time was a guy
named Magruder. Magruder was basically keeping the seat warm until
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Attorney General John Mitchell resigned to come take over CREEP.
Around late nineteen one. The head plumber, Bud Crowe was
looking to get rid of the loose cannon again. G
Gordon Liddy and I.
Speaker 9 (27:09):
Was called by my superior, who was Bud Crow, and
he said, can you come up to the office. John
Dean wants to pitch you on something.
Speaker 1 (27:18):
Remember John Deane acted as a liaison between the White
House and the re election committee. Liddy didn't care too
much for Dean, but Bud Crow was Liddy's boss, so
he took the meeting.
Speaker 9 (27:28):
And John Dean said, it may be necessary for you
and mister Caulfield, who was one of his assistants, to
go into.
Speaker 1 (27:34):
The closet, meaning go off the grid for a while.
Speaker 9 (27:36):
And he proceeded to say that we had just had
a taste with all the demonstrations of what was going
to be like in this campaign and that they needed
a full service, all out intelligence operation, and that it
was thought that I could could do it. And because
he'd mentioned mister Caulfield, and mister Caulfield had shown me
a previous plan that he had drawn up called sand Wedge,
which had black bag jobs, bugging and the rest of
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it in there. I said, you mean like sand Wedge,
and mister Dean said, no, I want something much it's
more sophisticated than that. And I said, you know you're
going to be talking a tremendous amount of money to
have a full, all out offensive and defensive capability, a
clandestine operation, and intelligence service. And he said, how about
half a million dollars for openers. Well, the sand Wedge
program had been budgeted for per half a million dollars
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he was given me just to open the bidding the
entire budget of sandwiched.
Speaker 1 (28:30):
Liddy was intrigued. He thought that signaled at least a
one million dollar budget.
Speaker 9 (28:35):
But I also said, look, there's a lot of ways
I can help Richard Nixon in nineteen seventy two. This
is just one of them. I'm over here because of
the sponsorship of John Mitchell. I am working for mister Erlickman.
And it is only if those two men say that
this is what I ought to do and the best
way I can serve the president next year, will I
do it. And I was assured that I would receive
those assurances, and I want to tell every one of
you now that I never got from either of those
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men any such assurance.
Speaker 1 (28:59):
Liddy sent out his former plumber colleague, Howard Hunt.
Speaker 9 (29:03):
Former FBI, he was former CIA, and I said, well,
you know, we may be back in business. What these
people tell me is right, and I laid it all
out for him, and he said, great, because this way
we won't have any more mickey mouse radio such as
we were forced to use when we went out there
to break into the psychiatrist's office, doctor Fielding. He assured
me that I would have his help and that of
the Cuban cohort if this thing went.
Speaker 1 (29:26):
So Lydian Hunt began drawing up their intelligence plans, what
today we'd call an opposition research plan. They were going
to present it to the future re Election Committee chairman
and current Attorney General John Mitchell.
Speaker 9 (29:37):
And then I needed a way to have a sort
of a show and tell for the Attorney General and
Hunt said not to worry. He'd have the CIA do it.
And so the charts for this meeting in the Attorney
General's office were actually drawn by somebody from the Central
Intelligence Agency. I guess they had an exhibit section such
as the FBI has.
Speaker 1 (29:55):
They paid the CIA guy three hundred dollars to create
the charts, and they were on their way. But the
CIA now also had copies of their plans, which could
not have been a good thing. The head of the
CIA was a guy named Richard Helms. Elms didn't like Nixon,
and Nixon didn't care for Helms.
Speaker 4 (30:14):
Well.
Speaker 1 (30:15):
In late January nineteen seventy two, Diddy headed out to
make the pitch.
Speaker 9 (30:19):
I went to a meeting with the Attorney General and
we had John Deane, Jeb Stewart McGruder, who was sort
of keeping the chair warm for mister Mitchell when he
would come over as the head of the campaign. And
I went in there and I set up the charts,
and I gave this whole elaborate deal to the Attorney General.
Speaker 1 (30:40):
It was a wild plan that included wire tapping, mugging, kidnapping, prostitution,
an upgrade to the array of dirty tricks that he
saw in the plans shown to him by John Deane's assistant,
and he just.
Speaker 9 (30:51):
Sort of sat there a second on his pipe and
making sat on a comments.
Speaker 1 (30:54):
Mitchell reportedly displayed a poker face while saying, quote, that's
not exactly what we have in mind.
Speaker 9 (31:00):
And here's Dean, who had recruited me for all of this,
and he and Macgruder was sitting there, you know, looking
at Mitchell like rabbits in front of a cobra, because
they were scared to death of Mitchell, and I was
getting no help from them at all. And finally Mitchell said, oh,
he said, you know this has been much too elaborate.
Million dollars is a lot of money. You know, you're
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going to have to come back with something more realistic.
And he said, by the way, burn those charts personally.
So we left and I started chewing on the ass
both Dean and Macgruder. I said, you know, you put
me in here in the posture of somebody selling something
that you told me was you know, had already been ordered,
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and you're no help to me at all. And so
Macgruder said, cut it in half. And so I had
to go back to Hunt and tell him that we
now had half the amount of money that we gave
him promise, and so we eliminated a whole lot of stuff,
but we kept the heart of the program, which was
called Gemstone.
Speaker 1 (32:00):
The mugging, the prostitution, and the kidnapping wardly removed, but
wiretapping remained. In early February nineteen seventy two, Lyddy headed
back in to pitch his revised plan.
Speaker 9 (32:15):
This time, no big elaborate charts from the CIA. I
had just small charts that were made on pieces of paper,
because it's it's rather difficult burning all of those charts
in your fireplace. And I figured I've had to burn these,
you know, it'll be very much at a lot easier.
Speaker 1 (32:30):
So Lyddy went back in and presented his revised version
of the intelligence plan to Liaison Dean and Attorney General
John Mitchell, and at.
Speaker 9 (32:37):
The end Dean said, well, a decision on a matter
like this should not come out of the Attorney General's office.
It should come from someplace else, and so they all
agreed on that. I was annoyed at that because I
figured it's going to delay us even.
Speaker 1 (32:49):
More, Lyddy said. Dean scampered off after the meeting, apparently
worried that Liddy was going to bite his head off,
so he turned to the acting chair Magruder and chewed
him out instead. Magruder was reportedly afraid of Liddy. No approval,
Liddy was forced to play the waiting game. It was
early February nineteen seventy two. Weeks went by, but no approval.
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As March arrived, still no answer. On March first, nineteen
seventy two, John Mitchell resigned as Attorney General and took
over as director of the Reelection Committee. As the days
went deep into March, Magruder reportedly paid Liddy thirty seven
thousand dollars because he was concerned Lyddy would beat him
up otherwise. Then, in late March, Magruder brought a tailored
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down version of Liddy's plan to Miami to present to
John Mitchell and his aide. When John Mitchell saw the plan,
his aid later recalled Mitchell saying this again, I don't
want to see this. Nevertheless, by early April nineteen seventy two, G.
Gordon Liddy got the go ahead.
Speaker 9 (33:52):
Way I got the go ahead was an aid to
Magruiter came up and said, you've got to go on
your plan, and that's how we finally got going on it.
Speaker 1 (34:05):
Lyddy and Howard Hunt began working on their plan, but
within just a few days, Lyddy got a strange request
from recruiter.
Speaker 9 (34:12):
And mister macgruder then called me in and it was
towards the end of April, and he said, can you
get into the watergate?
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Speaker 1 (35:54):
Welcome back to Red Pilled America. So in April nineteen
seventy two, g Gordon Lyddy and Howard Hunt got started
on their opposition research plan. Within just a few days,
Liddy got a strange request from his boss macgruder, and.
Speaker 9 (36:07):
Mister McGruder then called me in and it was toward
the end of April, and he said, can you get
into the Watergate and I said, well, yeah, you know,
we could probably get into the Watergate but why and
he said, well, he wanted us to go in and
to wiretap Larry O'Brien's office.
Speaker 1 (36:21):
Larry O'Brien was the chair of the Democratic National Committee.
Liddy turned to his partner in crime, Howard Hunt, and.
Speaker 9 (36:27):
I said, well, we're instructed to go in waretap Larry
Bryan's office, and we decided, well we could do it.
Speaker 1 (36:32):
In late May nineteen seventy two, they executed a break
in at the DNC headquarters at the Watergate complex.
Speaker 9 (36:37):
We went in to wiretap it. Now, mister Hunt and
I did not go in. The Cuban cohort went in,
and mister McCord went in.
Speaker 1 (36:43):
The cord went in with some of the same Cubans
that broke into the psychiatrist's office. Liddy thought they went
in to tap the DNC chair's phone.
Speaker 9 (36:51):
There we were, We got in, we got out, and
I reported success. And what I expected to receive were
transcripts of tape recordings of what was going on in
Larry O'Brien's office. Instead, I got got typed, not very
well typed summary locks that were given to me. And
they were useless. I mean, we were getting hair dressing
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appointments and some guy taking trips to Texas and things
like that. At least that was what it purported to be.
Speaker 1 (37:17):
The phone was being monitored by someone else, and summaries
were given to Liddy, but the phone tap didn't appear
to be coming from the DNC chair's phone. Something went wrong,
or at least that's what Liddy was being told. So
he turned in mcord, who went in with the Cubans.
Speaker 9 (37:32):
So I had talked to mister McCord, and I said,
what's gone wrong? And he said, well, we were to
put in two devices, one on the telephone, and what
you're getting is you know what we get in the
telephone and a room monitoring device which either is defective
or we have inadvertently placed it on the wall near
a steel beam that's absorbing all its tiny RF energy.
Speaker 1 (37:51):
These were line of sight monitoring devices, meaning you had
to be in the line of sight of the device
to hear the signal. Whether they were broken or placed
poorly or something else. They weren't working, and Liddy getting
a heat from his superior magruder.
Speaker 9 (38:05):
And then mister macgruder said, look, this is what I
want right here, and he took his left hand and
he slapped his lower left hand drawer, which meant the
same information. That's where he kept negative information on the Democrats.
And I said, okay to myself, that's what he wants.
He wants whatever Lawrence O'Brien has against us. But he said,
I want you to bring up all the Cuban cohort,
give him all the cameras and film they can carry,
because if you're going to undertake this risk of going
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back in again, let's make it worth our while. And
so what was to have been a quick five minute
in and out fix it mission was now about a
two hour photo recon mission. And those are the orders
I gave to mister Hunt.
Speaker 1 (38:39):
So on the night of June sixteenth, nineteen seventy two,
Hunt gathered up his Cuban team and sent them in
with the re election Committee's head of security, McCord Lydian
Hunt set up shop across the street at the Howard
Johnson Hotel.
Speaker 9 (38:52):
Mister Hunt and I were in room two fourteen, and
the men, of course were in the Watergate office building
that's on the sixth floor, which at that time had
the Democratic National Committee Quarters, and.
Speaker 1 (39:03):
A third man named Baldwin was on this seventh floor
across the street, perched in an office that looked right
down into a DNC Watergate office. Baldwin was the lookout and.
Speaker 9 (39:13):
Mister Baldwin was over there, and we were all connected
by transceivers walkie talkies, if you will, and we were
monitoring what was going on from room two fourteen mister
Hunt and I.
Speaker 1 (39:23):
Then it all started to unravel.
Speaker 9 (39:26):
Mister Baldwin called over and he said that there were
people up on a think on the eighth floor, and
that really didn't trouble me because I figured, Okay, that's
the guards, you know, going through their shift, and the
men aren't going to have any lights on in there.
And then then when mister Baldwin said, are any of
your men wearing casual clothes? That's when I got the
first clue because all our men were in suits. And
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then he said, to any of you men have guns? Well,
I knew none of our men had guns, and I
knew that this thing was going south. We tried to
get in touch with him, couldn't, but then we got
the softly spoken word over the transceivers. You know, they
got US.
Speaker 1 (40:10):
The five man team was arrested and with the police recovered,
shed a whole new light on the operation. G Gordon
Lyddy thought he was the man orchestrating the break in,
but he'd later figure out that someone else was calling
the shots.
Speaker 2 (40:27):
Coming up on red pilled America.
Speaker 9 (40:29):
What it was really about was getting sexual a dirt
on the Democrats.
Speaker 10 (40:32):
There was a connection between the Democratic National Committee and
her call girl.
Speaker 5 (40:36):
Ran Pulgan claims that Howard Haunt and James McCord, who
led the break in, never left employment with the CIA,
which used the men to spy on President Nixon.
Speaker 4 (40:45):
What you would see is subtle but significant changes in
a witnesses testimony from closed door to three days later
when they go on television.
Speaker 10 (40:52):
John Dene pulled off an incredible hoax, and he pulled
it off on the Watergate Committee, and he pulled it
off on the courts, and he pulled it off on
the American people, And in a sense, he erased the election.
Speaker 4 (41:02):
The biggest White House scandal in a century, the Watergate
scandal broke wide open today.
Speaker 6 (41:07):
Nixon was driven from office by secret cabal of corrupt judges, prosecutors,
and Hill staff. Endorsed by a complacent press.
Speaker 8 (41:17):
Last June seventeen, while I was in Florida trying to
get a few days rest after my visit to Moscow,
I first learned from news reports of the Watergate.
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Speaker 2 (00:30):
Previously on Red Pilled.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
America, McNamara decided to commission a report. It was a
harshly anti war document.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
They kept personal copies in the top secret safe in
the Washington offices of the Rand Corporation.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
Ellsberg began smuggling the Pentagon study out of the safe
at the Rand Corporation.
Speaker 3 (00:49):
The New York Times began publishing top secret sensitive details
and documents.
Speaker 4 (00:53):
The Supreme Court today ruled that the New York Times
and the Washington Post may continue to publish the secret
Pentagon papers.
Speaker 5 (01:00):
People have got to be put to the porch for
this sort of thing.
Speaker 6 (01:02):
That no one has proved that the Republicans are behind
the break in.
Speaker 7 (01:06):
The voters have returned to President Nixon to the White
House by our landslide.
Speaker 1 (01:10):
Why are Hollywood and the media so obsessed with Nixon?
Speaker 2 (01:16):
I'm Patrick Curlcy and I'm Adriana Cortez.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
And this is Red Pilled America, a storytelling show.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
This is not another talk show covering the day's news.
We are all about telling stories.
Speaker 1 (01:29):
Stories. Hollywood doesn't want you to hear stories.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
The media marks stories about everyday Americans if the globalist ignore.
Speaker 1 (01:38):
You could think of Red Pilled America as audio documentaries,
and we promise only one thing, the truth. Welcome to
Red Pilled America. We're at part six of our series
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of episodes entitled The Fighter. You've probably heard Part five,
but if you haven't, stop and go back and listen
from the beginning. We're looking for the answer to the
question why are the media and Hollywood so obsessed with
Richard Nixon? By telling the often ignored story of his life.
So to pick up where we left off. By the
end of nineteen seventy two, President Nixon had brought a
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sense of normalcy back to America. He cooled two decades
of tension with China and Russia, and perhaps most importantly,
the Vietnam War was on the verge of ending The
American people rewarded him on election day by giving him
one of the biggest landslides in American history. He won
forty nine states, losing only in Ted Kennedy's Massachusetts and
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the swamp of Washington, d c. And what made his
lopsided win even more impressive was that there were eleven
million new youngsters in the voting booth, carab the twenty
sixth Amendment. As he opened his second term in January
nineteen seventy three, he immediately delivered for this new constituency.
Speaker 5 (02:59):
Good evening.
Speaker 3 (03:00):
I have asked for this radio and television time tonight
for the purpose of announcing that we today have concluded
an agreement to end the war and bring peace with
honor in Vietnam and in Southeast Asia, at.
Speaker 8 (03:14):
Twelve thirty Paris.
Speaker 3 (03:15):
Time to day, January twenty three, nineteen seventy three. The
Agreement on ending the War and restoring peace in Vietnam
was initialed by Doctor Henry Kissinger on behalf of the
United States and Special Advisor Lee Doctor on behalf of
the Democratic Republic of Vietnam.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
Richard Milhouse Nixon, the Fighter from your Belinda brought an
end to this seemingly endless war, a deadly war initiated
and escalated by two Democrat presidents. America had a leader
for the ages, but behind the scenes, something was brewing.
His historic win was quietly under attacked by a powerful
enemy that would come to be known as the deep State.
Speaker 2 (03:59):
When Daniel Ellsberg leaked the top secret Pentagon papers in
Ia teen seventy one, President Nixon was deeply concerned that
America would no longer have an orderly government, and he
looked to write the ship.
Speaker 5 (04:10):
I told Holoman the day, and I also told the cabinet,
and I told him Mitchela, We're going to fight all
out in this thing. The point is that the Elsburg case,
however it comes out, is going to get all through
this government among the intellectual types and the people that
have no loyalties, the idea that they will be the
ones that will determine what's good for this country. That's right,
Odnam that they weren't elected and they're not going to
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determine it that way.
Speaker 2 (04:34):
President Nixon saw Daniel Ellsberg's leak as a security breach
of the highest magnitude. On many levels. It had real
life and death consequences. The Pentagon Papers portrayed a weakening
America to the Vietcong enemy, a display that emboldened the
enemy's resolve. American soldiers, no doubt died because of the leak.
The FBI also informed Nixon's team that the documents were
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given to the Soviet embassy. This was a troubling possibility.
If Moscow had both an encrypted cast of a document
and its original unencrypted version as published in the Pentagon Papers,
the Soviet Union would be able to crack America's encryption code.
If this wasn't enough, Elsberg could cause further damage.
Speaker 6 (05:15):
Elsberg had access to fifty four thousand pages of other
classified documents because he was a consultant for the Rand
Corporation out in Santa Monica.
Speaker 2 (05:27):
That's Jeff Shepherd, author of The Nixon Conspiracy. Jeff is
the leading expert on Watergate and was a one time
member of the Nixon Watergate defense team. He recalls Nixon's
inner circle view on Daniel Elsberg.
Speaker 6 (05:38):
At the time, he had been sneaking the forty eight
volumes of the Pentagon Papers out at night making photocopies,
and they didn't know what else he had done. The
Pentagon Papers league was deemed to be the most significant
national security breach in modern history, so they were scrambling
to figure out what else could he do.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
After the Supreme Court gave the New York Times and
others the right to publish top secret documents like the
Pentagon Papers, the security crisis escalated because the decision sent
a message to other government leakers. Perhaps there'd be no
real consequences for leaking top secret documents. President Nixon believed
that Daniel Elsberg had to be stopped and destroyed to
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send a message to any further leakers.
Speaker 5 (06:25):
People have got to be put to the torture for
this sort of thing.
Speaker 1 (06:27):
This is terrible.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
The problem was Nixon had limited options. He couldn't turn
to the media, they were busy making a martyr out
of Elsburg, and perhaps even more surprisingly, he couldn't get
help from the FBI. One of FBI Director Jay Edgar
Hoover's best friends was Daniel Elsberg's father in law, Lewis Marx.
Marx was a successful toy maker that gave Hoover toys
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to distribute to kids at Christmas time, so Hoover refused
to investigate Elsberg. In fact, when an FBI agent attempted
to interview Elsbrog's father in law. Hoover tried to demote
the agent. The Nixon administration was on its own, so
the president turned to his White House Domestic Affairs advisor,
John Erlikman, with the directive find the leaks and plug them.
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As a result, the White House Special Investigations Unit was formed,
but the team would come to be known by a
different name again, Jeff Shephard.
Speaker 6 (07:27):
Now when the Pentagon papers laked, the White House created
this unit to stop lenkes, called the Plumbers because they
were supposed to stop lakes.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
The Plumbers quietly began working in the summer of nineteen
seventy one. John Erlickman would periodically give Nixon updates on
their efforts. They worked to find any co conspirators and
were able to plant negative Elsburg stories with friendly journalists
to combat the media's martyr treatment. The Plumbers also scanned
newspaper reports looking for traces of leaked information. By the
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end of the year, their work began to taper off,
but not before finding a startling leak that needed to
be put At the time, in December nineteen seventy one,
Nixon was working privately with his National security advisor Henry
Kissinger to forge his foreign policy in Vietnam, China, and
the Soviet Union. In doing so, Nixon kept the establishment
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in the dark about his decision making, including the Joint
chiefs of Staff housed at the Pentagon. The Joint chiefs
of Staff are the most senior military leaders from the
Department of Defense, and they were angry that Nixon was
executing foreign policy without their guidance, so they took action.
In a stunning move, the plumbers learned that to bypass
their isolation, the Joint chiefs of Staff began spying on
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the president. For over a year, a yowman from their
White House liaison office was stealing documents from Henry Kissinger's
briefcase and burn bags. He'd then feed them up the
chain of command to the highest levels of the Joint
chiefs of Staff. Then they'd leak select information to the
press to force their influence on the president's foreign policy.
(09:02):
Was what's a startling discovery, But perhaps even more troubling
was that Nixon's deputy National Security Advisor, General Haig, was
implicated in the spying operation. You may remember General Haig
from a previous episode. He was the one that first
brought attention to the importance of the Pentagon Paper's leap
to Nixon, also.
Speaker 5 (09:22):
That trist in the world are very significant. This goddamn
New York Times expos of the most highly classified documents
of the war.
Speaker 2 (09:32):
What was Nixon to do? The Joint Chiefs were considered
a Republican friendly institution. If he attempted to prosecute the
liaison spy, further investigation would ultimately lead to both the
Joint Chiefs of Staff and even reach all the way
into the White House with Alexander Haigh. There were already
tensions between Nixon's inner circle and the Pentagon over the
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Pentagon Paper's leaks. Prosecutions would surely exacerbate the rift with
the crucial military department, So Nixon's Attorney General, John Mitchell
came up with solution.
Speaker 5 (10:05):
Her mind before fighting at which stopt operations here.
Speaker 2 (10:10):
To Mitchell, the most important thing was to end the
spying operation, so he suggested that the President close the
Joint Chiefs of Staff Liaison office. By doing so, the
Pentagon would be put on notice if the White House
was aware of their spying operation. That would avoid the
upheaval of prosecutions. Nixon agreed and immediately ordered the closure
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of the liaison office. He was choosing the best way
out of a bad situation, but something was clear. President
Nixon was surrounded by the d C swamp.
Speaker 1 (10:46):
By the end of nineteen seventy one, the activity of
the Plumber's unit had quietly, perhaps mysteriously, tapered off. It
was around this time that Nixon went on a remarkable
run of historic events, venturing to China, then the Soviet Union.
But shortly after his return from Moscow, he was hit
with some surprising news.
Speaker 4 (11:05):
The Democratic National Committee is trying to solve a spy mystery.
He began before dawn Saturday, when five incruiters were captured
by police inside the offices of the Committee in Washington.
Speaker 1 (11:15):
On June seventeenth, nineteen seventy two, the news broke that
five burglars were arrested for breaking into the Democrat National
Committee's headquarters at the Watergate Complex in Washington, d C.
From the outset, there was no question that Nixon's re
election committee were involved somehow. One of the five arrested
was James McCord. McCord was an ex CIA officer who
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was at the time working as the head of security
for the Committee for the Reelection of the President, often
mockingly referred to as Creep. About three months before the
break in, John Mitchell resigned as Attorney General to head
the nineteen seventy two re election committee. It was a
familiar job to Mitchell, He'd led Nixon's first successful White
House run. When the break in hit the news, Mitchell
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spoke to the media.
Speaker 7 (11:58):
Neither the President, obviously, or anybody in the White House,
or anybody in a and any of the committees working
for the reelection of the President, have any responsibility for it,
and therefore there's no reason why it should be a
matter of concern to the American public.
Speaker 1 (12:13):
John Mitchell thought his remarks rang true. The re election
committee was completely separate from the White House. Again, Jeff Shepherd,
there's the White House.
Speaker 6 (12:21):
It's a physical place. The White House compound includes not
just the residents, but the West Wing and the old
Executive office building. It's all friends doaf heavily guarden Kitty
cornered across the street from seventeenth in Pennsylvania Avenue, is
an office building seventeen oh one Pennsylvania Avenue, that's where
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the campaign committee was, So people who were working on
the campaign, even if they came from the White House staff,
went across the street and reported for work in a
physically separate building. Now, most of the people working on
the re election campaign either came from the White House
or from the Department of Justice, because that's where Attorney
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General John Metschell was, But they weren't employees of the government,
they were employees of the campaign.
Speaker 1 (13:12):
Also, the person who was the liaison between the White
House and the re election Committee, a guy named John Dean,
continually assured Nixon's inner circle that no one from the
White House was involved in the break in. By most accounts,
the White House's inner circle were blindsided and confused by
the break in. As details emerged, something didn't smell right
about the operation. The five who were arrested all had
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some connection to the CIA. The one re election committee
staffer that was arrested, James McCord, was a former CIA agent,
and the other four burglars were Cubans active in the
anti Castro movement and were recruited to the team by
a guy named E. Howard Hunt, a former CIA officer.
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The burglars were caught with several leads for law enforcement
to investigate. For one, they had a floor plan of
the Democrat National Committee headquarters office layout on it was
an X marked at a specific desk. They also had
what looked like a desk key and a hotel room key.
They searched the hotel room and found five thousand uncirculated
one hundred dollars bills, sequentially numbered. Within just a few days,
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they traced that cash to President Nixon's re election campaign.
The break in was quickly connected to Nixon's re election committee,
which wasn't hard because one of the guys who was
arrested was the head of security for Nixon's re election committee.
Six days after the break in, President Nixon met with
his chief of staff, a guy named Bob Haldeman, and
in that meeting, it's clear that Nixon was unaware of
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the break in before it happened, because he asked his
chief of staff who was the a hole that orchestrated
the Watergate break in, and he learned that it was
a man named g. Gordon Liddy. If you didn't catch that,
President Nixon said, he must be a little nuts. I mean,
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he just isn't well screwed on?
Speaker 7 (15:10):
Is he?
Speaker 1 (15:11):
Who was this g Gordon lady character? Well, this is
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Welcome back to red pilled America. So just six days
after the June nineteen seventy two watergate break in, Nixon
learned that a man named G. Gordon Liddy was possibly
the guy that led the break in operation.
Speaker 7 (17:27):
Who was this G.
Speaker 2 (17:28):
Gordon Liddy character, Well, he was a member of the
Plumbers again.
Speaker 6 (17:33):
Jeff Shepherd my boss, my immediate boss. Bud Krogue was
the head plumber, and Lyddy was the chief operating officer
of the Plumbers.
Speaker 2 (17:43):
Lyddy being G. Gordon Lyddy. When the Plumbers were first
formed in the summer of nineteen seventy one, Lyddy had
just finished a stint working law enforcement at the Treasury
Department with head plumber Bud Krug. Lyddy was also a
former FBI agent. The Plumber team also included a lawyer
named David Young and another guy named Howard Hunt, a
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twenty plus year veteran of the CIA.
Speaker 5 (18:07):
When G.
Speaker 2 (18:08):
Gordon Liddy joined the Plumber's team, their first order of
business was investigating Daniel Elsberg. Liddy would later reflect on
why targeting Elsberg was so urgent.
Speaker 9 (18:18):
The FBI surveillance of the then Soviet embassy up on
Sixteenth Street turned up the fact that somebody identity unknown
had given the whole shooting match to the Soviet.
Speaker 2 (18:28):
Union, the whole shooting match being the Pentagon papers.
Speaker 9 (18:31):
Maybe it was Elsburg, Maybe it was somebody else.
Speaker 6 (18:33):
But we needed to know that.
Speaker 2 (18:35):
And as we explained earlier, the enemy could use the
Pentagon papers to crack ENCRYPTI documents.
Speaker 9 (18:40):
And because we knew that Elsberg and his associates had
taken out other stuff too, we didn't know what Elsburg
had in addition to what he said he had. We
didn't know where he had its stashed, where he was
keeping it. We didn't know whether Elsburg was a romantic
loaner of the left acting out of conscience the way
he was being portrayed in the press, or whether he
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was in with the show with the KGB and had
gone over to the other side. And so it was
important that we know that because he had additional stuff
and we didn't know what he was going to do
with it.
Speaker 3 (19:11):
So g.
Speaker 2 (19:11):
Gordon Lyddy and his plumber colleague Howard Hunt first turned
to the FBI for insight on Ellsberg.
Speaker 9 (19:17):
So what we did was we checked with the FBI,
what do we know about Elsberg? Well, they said he
has terminated the services of a psychiatrist named Fielding out
in Beverly Hills, to whom he used to go. But
in spite of that fact, he still calls that doctor
on the phone almost every day, discusses the more intimate
details of his daily life with him, and we said
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to ourselves, well, if he's doing that, maybe he would
discuss with the Good Doctor what else he's taken out
of the rams safe where he's keeping it, whether he
gave this stuff to the Soviet Union, what he intends
to do with the stuff that he has, and the
Good Doctor might have put it in the file. So
then we said to the FBI, get the doctor's files
so we can check that. And we of course also
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wanted to know one of the doctor's files so we
can do a psychological profile Ondaniel Elsberg. The FBI tried
to get the information from the doctor, and the FBI
failed because all they did was just say would give
it to us please, and he said no.
Speaker 5 (20:11):
And that was it.
Speaker 2 (20:13):
Information from the FBI dried up because, as you recall,
the FBI's director at the time, j Edgar Hoover, was
close friends with Elsberg's father in law, making the FBI
a dead end. So the team turned to the CIA.
The plumbers asked the CIA to put together a psychological
profile on Elsberg to figure out what he'd do next. Again,
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g Gordon Liddy and.
Speaker 9 (20:43):
We had approached the CIA for a psychological profile. They said,
we'll give us your holdings on Elsburg and we did,
which consisted really just of newspaper stories, and they came
back with the psychological profile that we didn't think was
very good, and they said, well, you know, garbage and
garbage out.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
So they brainstormed for a bit. The plumbers believed that
the psychiatrist had some information about Elsberg's actions, both past
and future, but there was only two options to retrieve it.
One was to get a search warrant, but that was
a no go. They didn't want to go to court
and reveal national security sensitive information and at the time
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there was no PIZA court. That's when g Gordon Lyddy
and Howard Hunt came up with the second option again
Jeff Shepherd.
Speaker 6 (21:31):
So they decided what they should do is go have
a look at his files on Elsberg. Now he wouldn't
share them, so they hit upon this idea of going
in surreptitiously. Gordon says, look, we used to do this
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stuff all the time. The FBI would go in, those
were called black bag jobs. The CIA would go in,
those were called surreptitious entries. Now Lyddy had worked for
the FBI. He said he'd done these himself and his
colleague Howard Hunt, who becomes a consultant to the Plumbers,
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is a career CIA officer. He says, no, we did
them by the CIA. They were called sarafitious entries. We
should do that with Elsberg's shrink.
Speaker 2 (22:28):
Both Lyddy and Hunt assured the Plumber leadership that this
type of activity had been going on for forty years.
These were FBI and CIA veterans, and at the time
this type of activity was rampant in the intel community.
The FBI used covert tactics to infiltrate subversive groups like
the Communist Party USA, the Black Panthers, the Nation of Islam,
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and the KKK, to name a few. So the legal
mind of the Plumbers, David Young, looked at the idea
and concluded that it met the national security exemption of
the Fourth Amendment on search and seizures.
Speaker 6 (22:59):
And David Young, a very competent accomplished for maintained that
yes we did. We had an absolute right to do it.
Speaker 2 (23:10):
In other words, in cases where national security was in jeopardy.
By their interpretation, the executive branch could enter a premises
without a search warrant, so they turned to Nixon's domestic
affairs advisor John Erlickman for authorization on what they called
a covert operation. Legal covert operations were nothing new, so
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Erlickman approved it, but he told them that it could
not be connected to the White House staff. The Plumber
team thought fair enough, maybe a honeypock could help them
get into the psychiatrist's office. They tried to recruit a
pretty barmaid to work her way in, but she was
afraid she wouldn't be able to pull it off.
Speaker 6 (23:49):
Howard Hunt says, well, I've had to deal for you.
Getting ready for the Bay of Pigs. We recruited these
Cubans and I was in charge of recruiting the Cubans
and my secret name was EDWARDO. So they're still in
the little Havanah, you know they're around. I'd go get
my friends. We'll tell them this is national security.
Speaker 2 (24:12):
And that's when the Plumber's plan began to go astray.
Howard Hunt rounded up the Cubans that he'd worked with
while at the CIA, grabbed some surveillance cere from the CIA,
then on labor day, nineteen seventy one, Hunt, Liddy, and
the Cubans took a trip to doctor Fielding's office in
Beverly Hills. Hunt and Liddy then sent the Cubans to
the doctor's office.
Speaker 6 (24:33):
The difficulty is they can't pick the lock, so Liddy says,
I'm not coming back. Just break in. Make it look
like you're after prescription drugs. You know, he's a shrink.
He can get prescriptions and scatter some stuff on the floor,
so it looks like a drug breaking.
Speaker 2 (24:50):
So the Cubans broken, pulled out a camera provided to
them by the CIA, and took some pictures. The Cubans
would later tell Liddy that they couldn't find Daniel Ellsbrog's
file and what about the pictures. Well, the camera why
the CIA provided, was apparently constructed in such a way
that only the CIA could open it to access the film.
The team returned the camera to the CIA, and the
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plumbers never saw it again. The whole thing was strange.
The entire team, except for Lyddy, was connected to the CIA,
and the only people that could get the film out
of the camera were the CIA as well. It was
as if the CIA was actually running the break in. Operation. Well,
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when Nixon's Domestic Affairs advisor, John Erlickman learned about what
Lydian Hunt had done in Beverly Hills, he was stunned.
He'd authorized a legal covert operation, not a break in.
There was too much gray area here, and that was
it for Erlickman. He wanted to boot lydian Hunt off
the White House Plumbers team. A few days later, Erlickman
met with President Nixon to fill him in on what
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the plumbers were learning about Daniel Ellsberg. They'd been gathering
some useful intel, things like how the documents were handed
off to the Times, if he had any co conspirators,
but when he got around to discussing what transpired at
the psychiatrist's office, he opted to keep it from the President.
Speaker 7 (26:14):
Tomorrow.
Speaker 6 (26:15):
We'll review as we try to do.
Speaker 5 (26:18):
The league.
Speaker 7 (26:19):
We had one oftle operation, the memorder down Loman, where.
Speaker 6 (26:24):
I think it is better than he.
Speaker 2 (26:27):
The United The White House Plumber leadership continued their work
finding leaks and plugging them, but they wanted the loose
cannons off the unit.
Speaker 1 (26:36):
It was around that time that the Committee for the
re Election of the President or CREEP, was heating up
across the street from the White House. The committee had
raised almost too much money, around ten million in nineteen
seventy one dollars, and they needed to spend it. The
acting director of CREEP at the time was a guy
named Magruder. Magruder was basically keeping the seat warm until
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Attorney General John Mitchell resigned to come take over CREEP.
Around late nineteen one. The head plumber, Bud Crowe was
looking to get rid of the loose cannon again. G
Gordon Liddy and I.
Speaker 9 (27:09):
Was called by my superior, who was Bud Crow, and
he said, can you come up to the office. John
Dean wants to pitch you on something.
Speaker 1 (27:18):
Remember John Deane acted as a liaison between the White
House and the re election committee. Liddy didn't care too
much for Dean, but Bud Crow was Liddy's boss, so
he took the meeting.
Speaker 9 (27:28):
And John Dean said, it may be necessary for you
and mister Caulfield, who was one of his assistants, to
go into.
Speaker 1 (27:34):
The closet, meaning go off the grid for a while.
Speaker 9 (27:36):
And he proceeded to say that we had just had
a taste with all the demonstrations of what was going
to be like in this campaign and that they needed
a full service, all out intelligence operation, and that it
was thought that I could could do it. And because
he'd mentioned mister Caulfield, and mister Caulfield had shown me
a previous plan that he had drawn up called sand Wedge,
which had black bag jobs, bugging and the rest of
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it in there. I said, you mean like sand Wedge,
and mister Dean said, no, I want something much it's
more sophisticated than that. And I said, you know you're
going to be talking a tremendous amount of money to
have a full, all out offensive and defensive capability, a
clandestine operation, and intelligence service. And he said, how about
half a million dollars for openers. Well, the sand Wedge
program had been budgeted for per half a million dollars
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he was given me just to open the bidding the
entire budget of sandwiched.
Speaker 1 (28:30):
Liddy was intrigued. He thought that signaled at least a
one million dollar budget.
Speaker 9 (28:35):
But I also said, look, there's a lot of ways
I can help Richard Nixon in nineteen seventy two. This
is just one of them. I'm over here because of
the sponsorship of John Mitchell. I am working for mister Erlickman.
And it is only if those two men say that
this is what I ought to do and the best
way I can serve the president next year, will I
do it. And I was assured that I would receive
those assurances, and I want to tell every one of
you now that I never got from either of those
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men any such assurance.
Speaker 1 (28:59):
Liddy sent out his former plumber colleague, Howard Hunt.
Speaker 9 (29:03):
Former FBI, he was former CIA, and I said, well,
you know, we may be back in business. What these
people tell me is right, and I laid it all
out for him, and he said, great, because this way
we won't have any more mickey mouse radio such as
we were forced to use when we went out there
to break into the psychiatrist's office, doctor Fielding. He assured
me that I would have his help and that of
the Cuban cohort if this thing went.
Speaker 1 (29:26):
So Lydian Hunt began drawing up their intelligence plans, what
today we'd call an opposition research plan. They were going
to present it to the future re Election Committee chairman
and current Attorney General John Mitchell.
Speaker 9 (29:37):
And then I needed a way to have a sort
of a show and tell for the Attorney General and
Hunt said not to worry. He'd have the CIA do it.
And so the charts for this meeting in the Attorney
General's office were actually drawn by somebody from the Central
Intelligence Agency. I guess they had an exhibit section such
as the FBI has.
Speaker 1 (29:55):
They paid the CIA guy three hundred dollars to create
the charts, and they were on their way. But the
CIA now also had copies of their plans, which could
not have been a good thing. The head of the
CIA was a guy named Richard Helms. Elms didn't like Nixon,
and Nixon didn't care for Helms.
Speaker 4 (30:14):
Well.
Speaker 1 (30:15):
In late January nineteen seventy two, Diddy headed out to
make the pitch.
Speaker 9 (30:19):
I went to a meeting with the Attorney General and
we had John Deane, Jeb Stewart McGruder, who was sort
of keeping the chair warm for mister Mitchell when he
would come over as the head of the campaign. And
I went in there and I set up the charts,
and I gave this whole elaborate deal to the Attorney General.
Speaker 1 (30:40):
It was a wild plan that included wire tapping, mugging, kidnapping, prostitution,
an upgrade to the array of dirty tricks that he
saw in the plans shown to him by John Deane's assistant,
and he just.
Speaker 9 (30:51):
Sort of sat there a second on his pipe and
making sat on a comments.
Speaker 1 (30:54):
Mitchell reportedly displayed a poker face while saying, quote, that's
not exactly what we have in mind.
Speaker 9 (31:00):
And here's Dean, who had recruited me for all of this,
and he and Macgruder was sitting there, you know, looking
at Mitchell like rabbits in front of a cobra, because
they were scared to death of Mitchell, and I was
getting no help from them at all. And finally Mitchell said, oh,
he said, you know this has been much too elaborate.
Million dollars is a lot of money. You know, you're
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going to have to come back with something more realistic.
And he said, by the way, burn those charts personally.
So we left and I started chewing on the ass
both Dean and Macgruder. I said, you know, you put
me in here in the posture of somebody selling something
that you told me was you know, had already been ordered,
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and you're no help to me at all. And so
Macgruder said, cut it in half. And so I had
to go back to Hunt and tell him that we
now had half the amount of money that we gave
him promise, and so we eliminated a whole lot of stuff,
but we kept the heart of the program, which was
called Gemstone.
Speaker 1 (32:00):
The mugging, the prostitution, and the kidnapping wardly removed, but
wiretapping remained. In early February nineteen seventy two, Lyddy headed
back in to pitch his revised plan.
Speaker 9 (32:15):
This time, no big elaborate charts from the CIA. I
had just small charts that were made on pieces of paper,
because it's it's rather difficult burning all of those charts
in your fireplace. And I figured I've had to burn these,
you know, it'll be very much at a lot easier.
Speaker 1 (32:30):
So Lyddy went back in and presented his revised version
of the intelligence plan to Liaison Dean and Attorney General
John Mitchell, and at.
Speaker 9 (32:37):
The end Dean said, well, a decision on a matter
like this should not come out of the Attorney General's office.
It should come from someplace else, and so they all
agreed on that. I was annoyed at that because I
figured it's going to delay us even.
Speaker 1 (32:49):
More, Lyddy said. Dean scampered off after the meeting, apparently
worried that Liddy was going to bite his head off,
so he turned to the acting chair Magruder and chewed
him out instead. Magruder was reportedly afraid of Liddy. No approval,
Liddy was forced to play the waiting game. It was
early February nineteen seventy two. Weeks went by, but no approval.
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As March arrived, still no answer. On March first, nineteen
seventy two, John Mitchell resigned as Attorney General and took
over as director of the Reelection Committee. As the days
went deep into March, Magruder reportedly paid Liddy thirty seven
thousand dollars because he was concerned Lyddy would beat him
up otherwise. Then, in late March, Magruder brought a tailored
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down version of Liddy's plan to Miami to present to
John Mitchell and his aide. When John Mitchell saw the plan,
his aid later recalled Mitchell saying this again, I don't
want to see this. Nevertheless, by early April nineteen seventy two, G.
Gordon Liddy got the go ahead.
Speaker 9 (33:52):
Way I got the go ahead was an aid to
Magruiter came up and said, you've got to go on
your plan, and that's how we finally got going on it.
Speaker 1 (34:05):
Lyddy and Howard Hunt began working on their plan, but
within just a few days, Lyddy got a strange request
from recruiter.
Speaker 9 (34:12):
And mister macgruder then called me in and it was
towards the end of April, and he said, can you
get into the watergate?
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Speaker 1 (35:54):
Welcome back to Red Pilled America. So in April nineteen
seventy two, g Gordon Lyddy and Howard Hunt got started
on their opposition research plan. Within just a few days,
Liddy got a strange request from his boss macgruder, and.
Speaker 9 (36:07):
Mister McGruder then called me in and it was toward
the end of April, and he said, can you get
into the Watergate and I said, well, yeah, you know,
we could probably get into the Watergate but why and
he said, well, he wanted us to go in and
to wiretap Larry O'Brien's office.
Speaker 1 (36:21):
Larry O'Brien was the chair of the Democratic National Committee.
Liddy turned to his partner in crime, Howard Hunt, and.
Speaker 9 (36:27):
I said, well, we're instructed to go in waretap Larry
Bryan's office, and we decided, well we could do it.
Speaker 1 (36:32):
In late May nineteen seventy two, they executed a break
in at the DNC headquarters at the Watergate complex.
Speaker 9 (36:37):
We went in to wiretap it. Now, mister Hunt and
I did not go in. The Cuban cohort went in,
and mister McCord went in.
Speaker 1 (36:43):
The cord went in with some of the same Cubans
that broke into the psychiatrist's office. Liddy thought they went
in to tap the DNC chair's phone.
Speaker 9 (36:51):
There we were, We got in, we got out, and
I reported success. And what I expected to receive were
transcripts of tape recordings of what was going on in
Larry O'Brien's office. Instead, I got got typed, not very
well typed summary locks that were given to me. And
they were useless. I mean, we were getting hair dressing
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appointments and some guy taking trips to Texas and things
like that. At least that was what it purported to be.
Speaker 1 (37:17):
The phone was being monitored by someone else, and summaries
were given to Liddy, but the phone tap didn't appear
to be coming from the DNC chair's phone. Something went wrong,
or at least that's what Liddy was being told. So
he turned in mcord, who went in with the Cubans.
Speaker 9 (37:32):
So I had talked to mister McCord, and I said,
what's gone wrong? And he said, well, we were to
put in two devices, one on the telephone, and what
you're getting is you know what we get in the
telephone and a room monitoring device which either is defective
or we have inadvertently placed it on the wall near
a steel beam that's absorbing all its tiny RF energy.
Speaker 1 (37:51):
These were line of sight monitoring devices, meaning you had
to be in the line of sight of the device
to hear the signal. Whether they were broken or placed
poorly or something else. They weren't working, and Liddy getting
a heat from his superior magruder.
Speaker 9 (38:05):
And then mister macgruder said, look, this is what I
want right here, and he took his left hand and
he slapped his lower left hand drawer, which meant the
same information. That's where he kept negative information on the Democrats.
And I said, okay to myself, that's what he wants.
He wants whatever Lawrence O'Brien has against us. But he said,
I want you to bring up all the Cuban cohort,
give him all the cameras and film they can carry,
because if you're going to undertake this risk of going
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back in again, let's make it worth our while. And
so what was to have been a quick five minute
in and out fix it mission was now about a
two hour photo recon mission. And those are the orders
I gave to mister Hunt.
Speaker 1 (38:39):
So on the night of June sixteenth, nineteen seventy two,
Hunt gathered up his Cuban team and sent them in
with the re election Committee's head of security, McCord Lydian
Hunt set up shop across the street at the Howard
Johnson Hotel.
Speaker 9 (38:52):
Mister Hunt and I were in room two fourteen, and
the men, of course were in the Watergate office building
that's on the sixth floor, which at that time had
the Democratic National Committee Quarters, and.
Speaker 1 (39:03):
A third man named Baldwin was on this seventh floor
across the street, perched in an office that looked right
down into a DNC Watergate office. Baldwin was the lookout and.
Speaker 9 (39:13):
Mister Baldwin was over there, and we were all connected
by transceivers walkie talkies, if you will, and we were
monitoring what was going on from room two fourteen mister
Hunt and I.
Speaker 1 (39:23):
Then it all started to unravel.
Speaker 9 (39:26):
Mister Baldwin called over and he said that there were
people up on a think on the eighth floor, and
that really didn't trouble me because I figured, Okay, that's
the guards, you know, going through their shift, and the
men aren't going to have any lights on in there.
And then then when mister Baldwin said, are any of
your men wearing casual clothes? That's when I got the
first clue because all our men were in suits. And
(39:47):
then he said, to any of you men have guns? Well,
I knew none of our men had guns, and I
knew that this thing was going south. We tried to
get in touch with him, couldn't, but then we got
the softly spoken word over the transceivers. You know, they
got US.
Speaker 1 (40:10):
The five man team was arrested and with the police recovered,
shed a whole new light on the operation. G Gordon
Lyddy thought he was the man orchestrating the break in,
but he'd later figure out that someone else was calling
the shots.
Speaker 2 (40:27):
Coming up on red pilled America.
Speaker 9 (40:29):
What it was really about was getting sexual a dirt
on the Democrats.
Speaker 10 (40:32):
There was a connection between the Democratic National Committee and
her call girl.
Speaker 5 (40:36):
Ran Pulgan claims that Howard Haunt and James McCord, who
led the break in, never left employment with the CIA,
which used the men to spy on President Nixon.
Speaker 4 (40:45):
What you would see is subtle but significant changes in
a witnesses testimony from closed door to three days later
when they go on television.
Speaker 10 (40:52):
John Dene pulled off an incredible hoax, and he pulled
it off on the Watergate Committee, and he pulled it
off on the courts, and he pulled it off on
the American people, And in a sense, he erased the election.
Speaker 4 (41:02):
The biggest White House scandal in a century, the Watergate
scandal broke wide open today.
Speaker 6 (41:07):
Nixon was driven from office by secret cabal of corrupt judges, prosecutors,
and Hill staff. Endorsed by a complacent press.
Speaker 8 (41:17):
Last June seventeen, while I was in Florida trying to
get a few days rest after my visit to Moscow,
I first learned from news reports of the Watergate.
Speaker 2 (41:27):
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