June 4, 2025 • 41 mins
Why has transgenderism become so popular? To find the answer, we follow the incredible story of Walt Heyer – a man that reveals something about the transgender movement that the media will not discuss.
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Speaker 1 (00:35):
I know we're not the only ones that have noticed
that transgenderism is everywhere.
Speaker 2 (00:42):
For Moroders also made history last night, though, making Democrat
Christine Halquist the first transgender candidate to win a party's
nomination for governor.
Speaker 3 (00:50):
Angela Ponce is the first openly transgender contestant to compete
in the Miss Universe finale.
Speaker 4 (00:56):
New Zealand's first transgender whitelifter enters the international arena.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
Two transgender students are causing some contract in Connecticut. They
came in first and second at a state track meet.
Speaker 1 (01:07):
Over the course of just a few years, transgenderism seems
to have permeated almost every single corner of society. Why
has transgenderism becomes such a massively popular topic. I'm Patrick Carrelci.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
And I'm Adriana Cortes.
Speaker 1 (01:24):
And this is Red Pilled America, a storytelling show.
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You could think of Red Pilled America as audio documentaries,
and we promise only one thing, the truth. Welcome to
Red Pilled America. In just a few short years, it seems,
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transgenders have surfaced everywhere. They're on stage at the Miss
Universe pageant, They've entered sports, they're on the campaign trail,
and one was even awarded the Woman of the Year.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
Haitlan Jenner dazzles as she accepts.
Speaker 5 (02:16):
The Woman of the Year award from Glamour magazine.
Speaker 1 (02:20):
But why why has the topic of transgenderism become so popular?
To find the answer, we follow the incredible story of
Walt Hayre, a man that reveals something about the transgender
movement that the media will not discuss. Walt Hare is
Nanngelino Through and Through. Born in nineteen forty, he grew
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up in the Eagle Rock, California area, a Los Angeles
village just outside of Glendale. He comes from a long
line of La natives.
Speaker 4 (02:48):
Yeah, I went to Egrock High School. My dad was
a police officer in LA. My grandfather was a part
time detective during the war in La. My grandfather went
to La High my dad went to Igua High School.
So we're several generations through Eagle Rock, LA area.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
Growing up, he had a brother in a great relationship
with his parents. His father was an outdoorsman, a fisherman,
and so was his mother.
Speaker 4 (03:18):
When my dad mom would go fishing, usually at June Lake,
they would drop me off at my mother's mother's house.
My grandmother and then my other brother would go to
his dad's mothers. So we each went to different grandmother's
and that's where we stayed for the weekend.
Speaker 1 (03:36):
His mom's parents lived on Figaroa in Highland Park, a
small enclave that butts up to Eagle Rock's southeast border.
He stayed there frequently, about every two weeks or so,
and when he did, he hung out a lot with
his grandmother.
Speaker 4 (03:49):
And she had a little house behind a tow yard
where my grandpa was drove a tow truck, and so
grandma was a seamstress, and I always, as a four
and five year old kid, just kind of wandered around
the house.
Speaker 1 (04:07):
His grandmother made her money as a seamstress, so women
were constantly coming through the house to be fitted for
their dresses. As a young boy, Walt was kind of
curious about that. But what his grandmother did with that
curiosity would affect Walt for the rest of his life.
She decided to make a dress for Walt to wear.
Speaker 4 (04:26):
My grandmother made a purple chiffon dress for me and
told me how cute I looked and how wonderful I looked,
and she said, this has got to be our little secret.
Speaker 1 (04:35):
And it was their little secret for several years. Even
his grandfather was kept in the dark.
Speaker 4 (04:40):
He was a tow truck driver, so grandma always waited
till he had a call to go get a to
go toe a car, and he was usually gone a
long time, and so that's what she would do. And
she knew when he was parking the truck in the
towyard because it was the house was right next to
it so she would know he's there, and then I'd
come out of the dress and would he would never
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be the wiser. So for about two and a half years,
I'd go over there and she would fit me with
the dress and dress me up and tell me how
cute I looked as a little girl. And it seemed
to me, as a four year old boy, that she
was just really fascinated by how I looked as a
girl and seemed to like me and appreciate me much
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better as a girl.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
Thinking back on it all these years later, Walt doesn't
think his grandmother had any nefarious intent by dressing him
as a girl, but something began to take Root and
Walt during their secret playtime.
Speaker 4 (05:38):
And I didn't know what all that meant when I
was four or five. I didn't know what the implications were,
but I got so into wanting that affirmation from her
that after about two and a half years, I tried
to sneak the dress home.
Speaker 1 (05:54):
He successfully snuck it out and placed it in his
bottom dresser drawer, but unknown to little Walt at the time,
parents eventually rummaged through their kids' dressers. His mother found
the dress at roughly six years old, had to confess.
Speaker 4 (06:08):
And then my dad found out that what Grandma was doing,
and my mom found out, and so I could never
go back to Grandma's. But yet no one was talking
or no one had any idea this. Keep in mind
this was nineteen forty four. I'm seventy eight years old,
so that was a long time ago, but the impact
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was permanent in many ways. What happened to me was
that planted the seed of gender confusion, gender depression about
who I was as a boy, because the little boy
didn't get affirmed, the little girl did. So it was
a splitting of who I was. And anybody that's quite normal,
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I think, would go wherever they're affirmed the most, and
that's what I did. But that two and a half
years was very significant and shape and molding my ideas
about who I was.
Speaker 1 (07:07):
His father was understandably angry with Walt's grandmother, and he
began to cert pretty heavy discipline on Walt.
Speaker 4 (07:13):
So I had the shame of sort of breaking the secret,
which really kind of hurt me because it was supposed
to be a secret and I was the one that
divulged it. And then Dad was using heavy discipline on me.
Speaker 1 (07:27):
The cross dressing could possibly have stopped there forever. But
then something tragic happened.
Speaker 4 (07:32):
My dad's adopted teen brother, who wasn't quite right, decided
that I was fair game because he found out that
I had been wearing this dress, that he would begin
to sexually molest me. So before I'm ten years old,
I've been put in a purple dress, I've been disciplined
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pretty heavily, and I've been sexually abused by my uncles.
Speaker 1 (07:57):
This was the nineteen forties. There was no Internet to
search for help. There were no widely known victim hotlines
or support groups. These things just weren't openly talked about.
As a very young boy, Walt was forced to stew
in it all by himself, And.
Speaker 4 (08:12):
So I struggled with who I was, and the shame
of knowing what had happened and being molested and so
forth was pretty unpleasant.
Speaker 1 (08:23):
He eventually met a girl and told her about his
gender confusion, but that didn't stop them from getting married
in his early twenties. They had two kids, a daughter
and a son, and he began a successful career, first
working on the Apollo Space missions in Downey, California, then
as a national operations manager at Honda and Guardina, but
through the marriage and the career, he couldn't shake what
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happened to him as a young boy.
Speaker 4 (09:00):
But I was also still struggling every single day from
the time I was first put in that dress, with
the image of that purple dress, and so I kept
trying to put it away and put it aside. But
I didn't quite know what to do with it. I
didn't know what it meant. In the forties, you didn't
have any terms like gender dysporty or transgenderism or what
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to do with it. You just lived with it and
dealt with as best you could. My wife, first wife,
we just thought that perhaps if I got married, it
would go away. If I had children, it would go away.
If I had a good job, it would go away.
If I was successful, it would go away. Nothing made
it go away. So I went to a therapist in
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San Francisco who was the most renowned person, at least
in the country, maybe in the world at the time
his neighbors, doctor Paul Walker.
Speaker 1 (09:57):
Doctor Paul Walker was a social psychologist and transgender activist
that was at the time thought to be one of
the worst old's leading doctors treating what was then called
gender identity disorder.
Speaker 4 (10:07):
So he said, I had gender identity disorder. He knew
at the time that was going to eventually be called
gender dysport. You I remember him explaining that, and I
was in nineteen eighty one. And so for the next
two years, I did the hormone therapies.
Speaker 1 (10:23):
Walt says the hormone treatments at the time were not
very critically altering. Nevertheless, Walt did start to noticeably change. Eventually,
Walt decided to go forward with the surgery to alter
his appearance to look more like a woman. But while
making that decision, he decided to do something that still
pains him to this day. He decided not to tell
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his wife.
Speaker 4 (10:47):
Yeah, I had actually gone to Trinidad, Colorado to actually
have the surgery and hadn't told her that I was
going to do it. I was going to do it
in secret.
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Welcome back to red pilled America. So Walt eventually decided
to go forward with the surgery to look more like
a woman, but he decided to do it without telling
his wife.
Speaker 4 (12:33):
I had actually gone to Trinidad, Colorado to actually have
the surgery, and hadn't told her that I was going
to do it. I was going to do it in secret.
And when I got to the hospital and signed in
to have the surgery, after the doctor had seen me,
I turned around, got on a bus, went back to Denver,
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flew home and told her what I had done and
what I was about to do was like a bomb
going off.
Speaker 1 (13:05):
He'd almost gotten the surgery done behind his wife's back. Instead,
he decided he'd try another.
Speaker 4 (13:10):
Out, and I told her, I'm going to try to
be the husband and father that I should be, and
I began to do things. I bought a Camaro to
fix up with my son, who was in his young teens,
and for the next a year and a half, that's
what I tried to do. I was trying to build
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myself back up as a father and a husband, and
I was not doing a very good job. And so
I was very successful at work. It was one of
the most successful times in my life financially. So I
was very productive, and I was you know, the white
picket fence and the two cars, and the income was there,
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but I was lost in a sea of not knowing
where to turn and how to resolve what had happened
to me years ago. So after about a year and
a half, I told her I just can't. I can't
do this. They tell me there is no other choice
but to go through this surgery.
Speaker 1 (14:15):
Walt and his wife divorced in nineteen eighty three, and
about three months later he had the surgery. Walt Hare
became Laura Jensen. Why did doctor Paul Walker recommend that
Walt get a sex change in nineteen eighty three? To
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understand why, we need to take a brief look at
the state of transgender treatment at the time.
Speaker 2 (14:45):
In the mid nineteen sixties, doctor John Money, a professor
of pediatrics and medical psychology at John Hopkins University, had
a passion that he began pressing with his colleagues. He
was interested in the topic of gender identity, a psychological
term coined to describe a person's inner sense of themselves
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as male or female. Doctor Money was drawn to John
Hopkins for a particular reason.
Speaker 6 (15:13):
His training was at Harvard rather back in the nineteen forties.
Speaker 2 (15:16):
That's Quentin van Meter, a pediatric endocrinologist, someone who specializes
in glands and the hormones. They produce. Quentin studied under
doctor Money at John Hopkins in the late nineteen seventies.
Speaker 6 (15:29):
He came to Hopkins because JOHNS Hopkins was sort of
the epicenter in the United States of clinical research on
how sexual differentiation of the human fetus happens. He was
an individual that was sort of one of what I
refer to as the Big Three and the sexual Revolution
of the nineteen seventies and sixties to sort of say, well,
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we think that whatever somebody has in their head about
their sexual identity can be manipulated.
Speaker 2 (15:59):
Doctor Money wanted to set up a clinic at John
Hopkins to prefer form what is today commonly referred to
as sex reassignment surgery or sex changes. The surgery would
not actually reassign or change the sex of the patient.
That was not biologically possible then, nor is it today.
But instead the clinic would perform plastic surgery to give
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the appearance of the patient's inner gender identity. At the time,
the field was focused almost exclusively on adults. But doctor
Money had a radical idea about human sexuality.
Speaker 7 (16:34):
We've been stereotyped in our view of male and female.
Speaker 2 (16:38):
That's doctor Money, male and female behavior.
Speaker 7 (16:42):
I suppose, primarily because it's been that way for literally
centuries and probably hundreds of centuries.
Speaker 2 (16:57):
The radical idea he had was that gender identity was
a social construct that could be taught to a child
through their environment, regardless of their biology. He was one
of the few researchers pushing for a revolution in human
sexuality at the time. Doctor Money worked with doctor Harry Benjamin,
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a sexologist and androcinologist who treated people diagnosed with gender
identity disorder with hormones. Doctor Benjamin authored the seminal nineteen
sixty six book The Transsexual Phenomenon. Before its publication, gender
identity research was considered an oddity, but his book helped
bring some legitimacy to the field in the nineteen sixties.
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In July nineteen sixty six, doctor Money established the Hopkins
Gender Identity Clinic to perform cosmetic sex change surgeries, with
his colleague doctor Harry Benjamin providing the clinic with prospective
patients for the operations. For the initial male to female surgeries,
they were careful to select the most feminine adult patients
for maximum public acceptance. That year, the clinic and they
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performed their first surgery on an African American Man, and
the news of the surgery hit the front page of
the New York Times. The sensationalism of the clinic assured
more media coverage.
Speaker 8 (18:14):
Only a few weeks ago, Johns Hopkins Hospital in Baltimore
announced that it was opening a gender identity clinic espressly
for people who wanted to change their sex.
Speaker 2 (18:23):
Doctor Money, an exceedingly confident man, was the mouthpiece of
the clinic. He made media appearances discussing the so called
sex change surgeries, including a Canadian talk.
Speaker 4 (18:34):
Show Doctor Money. It's still a pretty drastic procedure, isn't it.
Speaker 8 (18:41):
Well, it's a drastic procedure by your standards in mine.
But for the people who are living in desperation, perhaps
the best way to understand it is that it seems
no more drastic to them than circumcision.
Speaker 2 (18:55):
By chance, watching the show were Canadian parents dealing with
a horrendous accident. The parents had twin boys named Bruce
and Brian. When they were still toddlers, they acquired a
problem with urinating, so their doctor suggested circumcision. But the
morning after the surgery, the parents got some tough news
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about their son Bruce's procedure.
Speaker 9 (19:20):
And then the doctor said, there has been a slight accident. Uh,
the penis has been burnt off from circumcision. And I
could not comprehend what he was talking about because, you see,
I thought they were going to use a knife. I
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didn't know there was electricity involved.
Speaker 2 (19:45):
The parents were distraught and didn't know what to do.
But then a few months later they saw doctor Money
on the TV show speaking about the promising new field
of sex change surgery. He appeared on the show with
one of his post operation patients, a transsexual female.
Speaker 9 (20:03):
The transsexual certainly made an impact because she was a
very feminine seeming woman, and I thought, here's our answer.
Speaker 2 (20:19):
Bruce's family wrote to doctor Money and he quickly responded.
When they met, doctor Money suggested that their son, Bruce
could be changed into a girl. After months of agonizing desperation,
Bruce's parents thought they'd finally had a stroke of good luck.
But what they didn't realize was that it was doctor
Money who was the lucky one. You see, he'd stumbled
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across the perfect case two twin boys to test his
radical theory that a child could be raised to become
either a boy or a girl, regardless of their biological
sex in his eyes, if a young child was given
consistent affirmation in a gender opposite his biological gender, nurture
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could open power nature, and now he'd be able to
prove it by ensuring one twin was raised as a
boy and the other as a girl. A few months later,
around his second birthday, Bruce was castrated and cosmetic surgery
was performed to create the appearance of a volva. Bruce
then began receiving hormones, and his parents started raising him
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as a girl. Bruce became Brenda, but Brenda's mother almost
immediately had doubts the change would stick.
Speaker 10 (21:34):
I lied to myself, I uh pretended it was going
to work. But when he was two years old and
I put him in a dress, he tried to rip
it off. Then I thought, oh my god, he doesn't
want to be a girl.
Speaker 2 (21:50):
Twins met doctor Money once a year so he could
see how they were progressing. But sometime before Brenda became
seven years old, the doctor began doubting that Brenda would
ever feel like a girl. And what the doctor did
next was unforgivable. Do you want to hear red Pilled
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So in the mid nineteen sixties, a twin baby boy
named Bruce lost his penis after a botched circumcision. In
a panic, his parents called gender identity pioneer doctor John Money.
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The doctor suggested that they could change their boy, Bruce
into a girl. Around his second birthday, Bruce was fully
castrated and cosmetic surgery was performed to create the appearance
of a volva. His parents began giving him hormones and
started raising him as a girl. Bruce became Brenda, but
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sometime before Brenda became seven years old, the doctor began
doubting that Brenda would ever feel like a girl. Nevertheless,
in nineteen seventy two, doctor Money published the book Man
and Woman, Boy and Girl, touting Brenda as verification of
his theory that a child could be raised to believe
they were the opposite sex. The book was a sensation
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in the medical field, but back at Brenda's home, the
reality was entirely different. His mother noted that Brenda acted
masculine looked masculine, and everyone else saw it as well.
As the twins' visits with doctor Money progressed, it became
unmistakably obvious that Brenda was not taking to being a girl.
So doctor Money began trying different techniques to convince the
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child he was a she, first talking to both of
the twins about their genitalia, then showing them pictures of
women giving birth. When that didn't appear to work, doctor
Money became more aggressive. He tried to convince Brenda to
have surgery to construct a vagina. Brenda said no, but
when doctor Money pressed, Brenda said maybe. When he was thirteen,
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Doctor Money got more dressed. The twins claimed that doctor
Money forced them to undress and to look at each
other's genitulia, and even instructed them to participate in sexual
foreplay with each other. They claimed he took pictures of
them naked. It was extremely traumatic for the boys.
Speaker 6 (24:19):
But Doctor Money was unequivocally a sexual.
Speaker 2 (24:23):
Perverbe again doctor Quentin van Meterer.
Speaker 6 (24:26):
And that bothered those of us that had to deal
with him as a professor and teacher. He had bizarre
ideas about what was socially appropriate and what was sexually appropriate.
Speaker 2 (24:40):
By nineteen seventy eight, when Brenda was almost thirteen, Doctor
Money tried one last attempt to convince Brenda to have
the surgery by introducing Brenda to a transsexual. It didn't work.
Brenda told his parents that he'd kill himself if he
had to see doctor Money again. With Brenda near suicidal,
his parents decided to tell him the truth about what
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had happened to him. Shock turned into a sense of
relief for Brenda. He decided to begin living as a
boy and renamed himself David. But doctor Money failed to
update the gender identity community on Brenda's case. Around the
same time Brenda refused the surgery, both doctor Money and
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his colleague, doctor Harry Benjamin began receiving serious scrutiny from
their research colleagues. Doctor Harry Benjamin's partner publicly announced that
eighty percent of the people that wanted to change their
gender shouldn't do it, and he stopped administering hormones to
patients experiencing gender identity disorder. In doctor Money's case, John
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Hopkins decided to evaluate the outcomes of his work by
reviewing both patients that underwent gender reassignment and those that
didn't have the surgery. A report on the findings was
issued in nineteen seventy nine, claiming there was no medical
necessity for surgery. The Hopkins Gender Identity Clinic abruptly closed
shortly after. The affirming treatment approach, where patient's desired gender
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identity was affirmed and treated with hormones and surgery, took
a major hit with the closure of the John Hopkins
Clinic and the alarm sounded off by doctor Benjamin's partner.
The affirmation advocates needed a new approach, so doctor Money
and doctor Benjamin formed what would become known as the
World Professional Association for Transgender Health, or w PATH, and
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drafted a standard of care for patients suffering with gender
identity disorder. If the medical community no longer backed their approach,
they'd do it privately. They recruited a psychologist to head
the w PATH organization, a colleague that shared their approach.
That person was doctor Paul Walker, the same doctor that
convinced Walt Hare that a sex change was the answer
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to his problems.
Speaker 1 (26:55):
So after Walt got the surgery in nineteen eighty three,
his daughters stopped talking to him. Walt thought it was
an appropriate response, but his son had different take.
Speaker 4 (27:04):
My son looked at me one day and said, well,
I can see what you are on the outside, but
I actually know who you are on the inside.
Speaker 1 (27:11):
He was now living his life as Laura in San Francisco.
He worked for the FDIIC and then the postal Service.
Speaker 4 (27:17):
Eventually, my curiosity got me to start opening books on
psychology at uc Santa Cruz, where I was studying substance
abuse and drug abuse and psychology and many things so
I could become a counselor, which is one thing I
really wanted to do.
Speaker 1 (27:37):
And in his studies, he read some books that spoke
specifically to his early.
Speaker 4 (27:41):
Trauma, and looking at the books, I began to realize
that there's a lot of psychological issues that go along
with people who cross dress are identify in a different gender.
And the first one that I remember was an article
or a study that was done from Cornell University, and
it was a boy who cross dressed and identified as
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a girl. And it said in the study that they
did of this young man that he did so because
his mother had died. He was very close to his mother,
and the way that he in his mind could stay
close to his mother was to actually take on her identity,
so he became he identified as a female so that
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he would feel close to the mother who had passed away.
So I looked at that, that's pretty unusual. And when
I've found out one hundred percent of the people that
I work with had something happened to them when they
were younger, and it could be a story like mine,
it could be many other different types of stories. Some
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of them were passed around from foster home to foster
home and were just felt like they just wanted to
erase their past, their past was just too painful, or
they were physically abused. A large portion of them have
been sexually abused. And I've learned that some of the
boys who were sexually molested like I was at an
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early age, opted to do this whole gender identity change
and go for the surgery because, strangely enough, if they
feel like, if they can rid themselves of their genitalia,
then nobody will ever sexually molest them again.
Speaker 1 (29:29):
Slowly, over time reading these studies, Walt began to come
to a personal realization.
Speaker 4 (29:34):
And so as I began to see this, and I
began to realize that no one actually changes. You can't.
A man can't become a woman. I realize that a
woman can't actually become a man. Alls we can do
is masquerade and in this way to feel like we're
protected against further abuse. But it's not actually a real
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change of who we are. It's just a matter of
putting on some sort of armor against it, and sometimes
across gender identity feels like it's armor against further abuse.
So as I begin to realize this, then I begin
to detransition, the term we use today to detransition, and
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start working my way back to identifying as Walt again.
After living eight years as Laura.
Speaker 1 (30:31):
Walt began believing that the source of his gender confusion
was rooted in the tragic events of his youth, events
that he didn't fully understand at the time and didn't
properly deal with as he came of age.
Speaker 6 (30:41):
There are issues which I call the dark.
Speaker 1 (30:43):
Basement again, doctor quintin van Meter.
Speaker 6 (30:46):
Where things are scary and frightening to the point where
you can't really open the door and go down in
there unless you have a guide with you who takes
you down the stairs, turns the lights on, opens the windows.
You know, brings in fresh air and cleans up the mass,
gets rid of the mob than the dead animals and
anything else that's in the basement or the ghosts or
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whatever is down there inside the human psyche that is
so frightening that you can't go down without help.
Speaker 1 (31:14):
Walt thinks that the core reason why most people transition
is because they haven't dealt with this dark basement.
Speaker 4 (31:20):
There was nobody around that was talking about other things
or what happened to them. To help people look back
and try to discover what caused them to feel this way.
Speaker 1 (31:35):
Walt eventually had surgery to fully transition back to living
life as a male. He reconnected with his daughter, and
he remarried. In the late nineties, Around the time that
Walt started his new life and marriage, two men started
their own challenging new quest. The twin boys, treated by
doctor John Money, started to speak out publicly about the
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trauma that doctor Money put them through. The medical community
was stunned. According to a PBS documentary on the Twins,
doctor Money led the scientific community to believe that his
seminal brenda transition case was an unmitigated success. Now, twenty
five years later, the world was finding out that it
was anything but a success. Doctor Money was disgraced.
Speaker 6 (32:17):
And so it was a sad circumstance that he was
actually a revered act in emission at Johns Hopkins. And
when he lost his reputation and his clinical was closed,
we those of us that knew him, said, well, it's
about time.
Speaker 1 (32:32):
The twin boy that transitioned to Brenda later underwent detransition surgery,
renamed himself David, and eventually married, becoming fathers to the
kids of his new wife, But his twin brother, shortly
after speaking out against doctor Money, committed suicide. David would
spiral shortly after, unable to find work and separated from
his wife, he would also commit suicide. The entire ordeal
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was a major setback for the field of sex reassignment.
Much of the field remained an oddity in the US,
but that would change soon. In the Netherlands, the field
was blossoming because of a relatively new development. Instead of
focusing treatments almost exclusively on adults, the Netherlands began to
popularize the treatments of adolescence before they hit puberty. The
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practice of affirming or accepting a person's gender identity was
experiencing a renewal. Adolescents with gender dysphoria the new name
for the condition, were given hormone blockers to halt the
effects of puberty. This was done to give them time
to decide whether they wanted a sex change. If the
condition didn't desist, the person could undergo sex reassignment surgery.
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The affirming approach of old had matured. The man widely
thought to have brought over the Netherlands treatment to the
US as doctor Norman Spack, a pediatric and acnologist, again
the study of glands and the hormones they make.
Speaker 6 (33:52):
He came to this conclusion after he had spent time
in the Netherlands looking at their clinical experience in children
which were treated with psychologice therapy, affirmation of their new
gender concepts, medical manipulation, and surgical interventions. So that came
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to the United States in two thousand and six. Before that,
there was literally no place for a patient to go
to talk to it quote an expert unquote in the
field because it was not an entity that was common
enough to have protocols for treatment, particularly in children adults.
Everything was pretty much underground. So this opened the door.
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Doctor Spack was a member of the American Endocrine Society.
He brought in a panel of individuals who were very
much aligned with him in terms of his ideas, and
he was able to get this organization, which had been
the Harry Benjamin Society previously but which is now called
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the World Professional Association of Transgender Health WPATH is their acronym.
They had a set of guidelines for treatment for affirmation,
medical treatment, and surgical treatment of children and adults, and
it was pretty much rubber stamped and brought into the
AFRIN Society as normative scientifically based treatment, and the guidelines
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were published and approved by the Anderfrin Society in two
thousand and nine.
Speaker 1 (35:25):
In this country, the approach of affirming a child's chosen
gender identity was now the standard of treatment. The transgender
community took on the same template as the gay community.
They were in essence born this way. This introduction to
the United States had perfect timing. President Obama was appointing
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an unprecedented number of LGBT people in key positions throughout
his administration, more than three hundred over his two terms.
This included his safe schools are Kevin Jennings again, Walter Hayer.
Speaker 4 (36:00):
Kevin Jennings is a homosexual act of who began to
put into all the public school systems all of the
gay and transgender days, and now our schools have become
an indoctrination center for LGBT activities. We didn't step up
(36:21):
the activity on teaching kids how to get better prepared
to go into society to become engineers and scientists. We're
teaching them how to change genders. And so I think
it's a powerful political move for the Democratic Party to
embrace this group and grow them up so that they
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become part of the base of the Democratic Party for
future voting. And that's exactly what's going to happen. So
they can grow the transgender and LGBT population, they also
grow their voting base.
Speaker 1 (36:56):
With activists now pushing the agenda, gender dysphoria became a
political weapon. Anyone that opposed horn momebokers for kids became
a transphobe. Any treatment that tried to help a child
accept their biological sex was labeled as conversion therapy, an
ugly smear dating back to when people tried to convert
homosexuals into heterosexuals. Activism had now entered a field that
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should have been void of politics. By the time the
twenty sixteen election cycle began. In twenty fifteen, the stage
was set. With the debate over gay marriage taken off
the table by the Supreme Court, another issue was needed
to attack Republicans with. Nothing can do that better than
the issue of transgenderism. Bruce Jenner's transition announcement lit the fuse.
Speaker 4 (37:41):
I would say, I've always been very confused with my
gender identity since I was this bit twenty fifteen's going
to be quite a ride.
Speaker 10 (37:51):
Quite a ride.
Speaker 1 (37:53):
Transgenderism went mainstream overnight. It was immediately weaponized to attack Republicans.
Speaker 2 (37:58):
Caitlin General, I'll call him, Caitlyn Jeneral, No her, you're
not being polite to the prone because disrespect.
Speaker 4 (38:04):
Okay, forget about the disrespect facts.
Speaker 2 (38:06):
Don't care about your feelings.
Speaker 1 (38:07):
And at times it was used with devastating decision to
take out prominent Trump supporters. Any comment that suggested an
insensitivity towards transgenders was used to take them out.
Speaker 3 (38:17):
I'm like, yeah, three year olds can't be trans. Everyone's
like what and so long story short, I make these
problematic statements and then my agent drops me like you're
not a woman.
Speaker 5 (38:28):
I'm sorry, it's not something you can procure and that's
my opinion, and there's lots of data to back it up.
But so they hit the fan. I mean I always
have about fifteen spinning plates. All the plates flew off
the sticks and crashed to the floor. Uh, my company,
I think is shut down.
Speaker 3 (38:46):
One self proclaimed internet troll, Milo Yanopolis tells us he's
unapologetic and proud even after being banned from Twitter for
his infamous online taunting of Ghostbusters star Leslie Jones.
Speaker 7 (38:59):
In the Twitter storm, they were done.
Speaker 1 (39:13):
Which leads us back to the question why has transgenderism
become so popular? The answer is transgenderism has become weaponized.
It has become the perfect tool for so many to
further their cause. It's being used by the left to
attack Republicans, by activists to deep platform their voters. It's
being used by the media as clickbait by the gay
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community to add to their ranks, and it's being used
to create a booming pharmaceutical treatment center and surgery market.
Let me make myself clear here. If adults want to
choose to have sex reassignment surgery, that's their decision. But
when a topic is serious as transgenderism becomes weaponized, lives
can be unnecessarily ruined. We should be able to debate
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whether automatically affirming a person's desired gender is healthy for
our society. We should be able to debate the normalizing
a hormone blockers for kids. And we should be able
to discuss whether what we are experiencing is culture's natural
evolution or some new form of trendy genderism caused by Hollywood,
the media, Silicon Valley, and political activists. We should be
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able to debate all of this without being branded transphobes.
If Walt Hayer wasn't automatically affirmed in the eighties, instead
met with a treatment to explore the origin of his genderness,
for you, he would never have had to go through
the irreversible ordeal of sex reassignment surgery twice. Maybe as
a society, we should be teaching our kids that they
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are beautiful just the way they are, that they don't
need to change their body. Because if we open the
door to affirmation for how people identify, no matter what
the biological facts, we will be opening up a door
that we may never be able to shut again.
Speaker 6 (40:53):
I first developed the idea that I need to be
blind when I was around six.
Speaker 9 (41:00):
Becoming blind was definitely a difficult decision to make.
Speaker 11 (41:03):
They analogize this to gender identity disorder. But here instead
of a sexual reassignment, Jule is saying, I want to
cite reassignment.
Speaker 2 (41:14):
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Speaker 1 (00:35):
I know we're not the only ones that have noticed
that transgenderism is everywhere.
Speaker 2 (00:42):
For Moroders also made history last night, though, making Democrat
Christine Halquist the first transgender candidate to win a party's
nomination for governor.
Speaker 3 (00:50):
Angela Ponce is the first openly transgender contestant to compete
in the Miss Universe finale.
Speaker 4 (00:56):
New Zealand's first transgender whitelifter enters the international arena.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
Two transgender students are causing some contract in Connecticut. They
came in first and second at a state track meet.
Speaker 1 (01:07):
Over the course of just a few years, transgenderism seems
to have permeated almost every single corner of society. Why
has transgenderism becomes such a massively popular topic. I'm Patrick Carrelci.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
And I'm Adriana Cortes.
Speaker 1 (01:24):
And this is Red Pilled America, a storytelling show.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
This is not another talk show covering the day's news.
We are all about telling stories.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
Stories Hollywood doesn't want you to hear stories.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
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Speaker 1 (01:42):
You could think of Red Pilled America as audio documentaries,
and we promise only one thing, the truth. Welcome to
Red Pilled America. In just a few short years, it seems,
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transgenders have surfaced everywhere. They're on stage at the Miss
Universe pageant, They've entered sports, they're on the campaign trail,
and one was even awarded the Woman of the Year.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
Haitlan Jenner dazzles as she accepts.
Speaker 5 (02:16):
The Woman of the Year award from Glamour magazine.
Speaker 1 (02:20):
But why why has the topic of transgenderism become so popular?
To find the answer, we follow the incredible story of
Walt Hayre, a man that reveals something about the transgender
movement that the media will not discuss. Walt Hare is
Nanngelino Through and Through. Born in nineteen forty, he grew
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up in the Eagle Rock, California area, a Los Angeles
village just outside of Glendale. He comes from a long
line of La natives.
Speaker 4 (02:48):
Yeah, I went to Egrock High School. My dad was
a police officer in LA. My grandfather was a part
time detective during the war in La. My grandfather went
to La High my dad went to Igua High School.
So we're several generations through Eagle Rock, LA area.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
Growing up, he had a brother in a great relationship
with his parents. His father was an outdoorsman, a fisherman,
and so was his mother.
Speaker 4 (03:18):
When my dad mom would go fishing, usually at June Lake,
they would drop me off at my mother's mother's house.
My grandmother and then my other brother would go to
his dad's mothers. So we each went to different grandmother's
and that's where we stayed for the weekend.
Speaker 1 (03:36):
His mom's parents lived on Figaroa in Highland Park, a
small enclave that butts up to Eagle Rock's southeast border.
He stayed there frequently, about every two weeks or so,
and when he did, he hung out a lot with
his grandmother.
Speaker 4 (03:49):
And she had a little house behind a tow yard
where my grandpa was drove a tow truck, and so
grandma was a seamstress, and I always, as a four
and five year old kid, just kind of wandered around
the house.
Speaker 1 (04:07):
His grandmother made her money as a seamstress, so women
were constantly coming through the house to be fitted for
their dresses. As a young boy, Walt was kind of
curious about that. But what his grandmother did with that
curiosity would affect Walt for the rest of his life.
She decided to make a dress for Walt to wear.
Speaker 4 (04:26):
My grandmother made a purple chiffon dress for me and
told me how cute I looked and how wonderful I looked,
and she said, this has got to be our little secret.
Speaker 1 (04:35):
And it was their little secret for several years. Even
his grandfather was kept in the dark.
Speaker 4 (04:40):
He was a tow truck driver, so grandma always waited
till he had a call to go get a to
go toe a car, and he was usually gone a
long time, and so that's what she would do. And
she knew when he was parking the truck in the
towyard because it was the house was right next to
it so she would know he's there, and then I'd
come out of the dress and would he would never
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be the wiser. So for about two and a half years,
I'd go over there and she would fit me with
the dress and dress me up and tell me how
cute I looked as a little girl. And it seemed
to me, as a four year old boy, that she
was just really fascinated by how I looked as a
girl and seemed to like me and appreciate me much
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better as a girl.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
Thinking back on it all these years later, Walt doesn't
think his grandmother had any nefarious intent by dressing him
as a girl, but something began to take Root and
Walt during their secret playtime.
Speaker 4 (05:38):
And I didn't know what all that meant when I
was four or five. I didn't know what the implications were,
but I got so into wanting that affirmation from her
that after about two and a half years, I tried
to sneak the dress home.
Speaker 1 (05:54):
He successfully snuck it out and placed it in his
bottom dresser drawer, but unknown to little Walt at the time,
parents eventually rummaged through their kids' dressers. His mother found
the dress at roughly six years old, had to confess.
Speaker 4 (06:08):
And then my dad found out that what Grandma was doing,
and my mom found out, and so I could never
go back to Grandma's. But yet no one was talking
or no one had any idea this. Keep in mind
this was nineteen forty four. I'm seventy eight years old,
so that was a long time ago, but the impact
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was permanent in many ways. What happened to me was
that planted the seed of gender confusion, gender depression about
who I was as a boy, because the little boy
didn't get affirmed, the little girl did. So it was
a splitting of who I was. And anybody that's quite normal,
(06:53):
I think, would go wherever they're affirmed the most, and
that's what I did. But that two and a half
years was very significant and shape and molding my ideas
about who I was.
Speaker 1 (07:07):
His father was understandably angry with Walt's grandmother, and he
began to cert pretty heavy discipline on Walt.
Speaker 4 (07:13):
So I had the shame of sort of breaking the secret,
which really kind of hurt me because it was supposed
to be a secret and I was the one that
divulged it. And then Dad was using heavy discipline on me.
Speaker 1 (07:27):
The cross dressing could possibly have stopped there forever. But
then something tragic happened.
Speaker 4 (07:32):
My dad's adopted teen brother, who wasn't quite right, decided
that I was fair game because he found out that
I had been wearing this dress, that he would begin
to sexually molest me. So before I'm ten years old,
I've been put in a purple dress, I've been disciplined
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pretty heavily, and I've been sexually abused by my uncles.
Speaker 1 (07:57):
This was the nineteen forties. There was no Internet to
search for help. There were no widely known victim hotlines
or support groups. These things just weren't openly talked about.
As a very young boy, Walt was forced to stew
in it all by himself, And.
Speaker 4 (08:12):
So I struggled with who I was, and the shame
of knowing what had happened and being molested and so
forth was pretty unpleasant.
Speaker 1 (08:23):
He eventually met a girl and told her about his
gender confusion, but that didn't stop them from getting married
in his early twenties. They had two kids, a daughter
and a son, and he began a successful career, first
working on the Apollo Space missions in Downey, California, then
as a national operations manager at Honda and Guardina, but
through the marriage and the career, he couldn't shake what
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happened to him as a young boy.
Speaker 4 (09:00):
But I was also still struggling every single day from
the time I was first put in that dress, with
the image of that purple dress, and so I kept
trying to put it away and put it aside. But
I didn't quite know what to do with it. I
didn't know what it meant. In the forties, you didn't
have any terms like gender dysporty or transgenderism or what
(09:23):
to do with it. You just lived with it and
dealt with as best you could. My wife, first wife,
we just thought that perhaps if I got married, it
would go away. If I had children, it would go away.
If I had a good job, it would go away.
If I was successful, it would go away. Nothing made
it go away. So I went to a therapist in
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San Francisco who was the most renowned person, at least
in the country, maybe in the world at the time
his neighbors, doctor Paul Walker.
Speaker 1 (09:57):
Doctor Paul Walker was a social psychologist and transgender activist
that was at the time thought to be one of
the worst old's leading doctors treating what was then called
gender identity disorder.
Speaker 4 (10:07):
So he said, I had gender identity disorder. He knew
at the time that was going to eventually be called
gender dysport. You I remember him explaining that, and I
was in nineteen eighty one. And so for the next
two years, I did the hormone therapies.
Speaker 1 (10:23):
Walt says the hormone treatments at the time were not
very critically altering. Nevertheless, Walt did start to noticeably change. Eventually,
Walt decided to go forward with the surgery to alter
his appearance to look more like a woman. But while
making that decision, he decided to do something that still
pains him to this day. He decided not to tell
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his wife.
Speaker 4 (10:47):
Yeah, I had actually gone to Trinidad, Colorado to actually
have the surgery and hadn't told her that I was
going to do it. I was going to do it
in secret.
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Welcome back to red pilled America. So Walt eventually decided
to go forward with the surgery to look more like
a woman, but he decided to do it without telling
his wife.
Speaker 4 (12:33):
I had actually gone to Trinidad, Colorado to actually have
the surgery, and hadn't told her that I was going
to do it. I was going to do it in secret.
And when I got to the hospital and signed in
to have the surgery, after the doctor had seen me,
I turned around, got on a bus, went back to Denver,
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flew home and told her what I had done and
what I was about to do was like a bomb
going off.
Speaker 1 (13:05):
He'd almost gotten the surgery done behind his wife's back. Instead,
he decided he'd try another.
Speaker 4 (13:10):
Out, and I told her, I'm going to try to
be the husband and father that I should be, and
I began to do things. I bought a Camaro to
fix up with my son, who was in his young teens,
and for the next a year and a half, that's
what I tried to do. I was trying to build
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myself back up as a father and a husband, and
I was not doing a very good job. And so
I was very successful at work. It was one of
the most successful times in my life financially. So I
was very productive, and I was you know, the white
picket fence and the two cars, and the income was there,
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but I was lost in a sea of not knowing
where to turn and how to resolve what had happened
to me years ago. So after about a year and
a half, I told her I just can't. I can't
do this. They tell me there is no other choice
but to go through this surgery.
Speaker 1 (14:15):
Walt and his wife divorced in nineteen eighty three, and
about three months later he had the surgery. Walt Hare
became Laura Jensen. Why did doctor Paul Walker recommend that
Walt get a sex change in nineteen eighty three? To
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understand why, we need to take a brief look at
the state of transgender treatment at the time.
Speaker 2 (14:45):
In the mid nineteen sixties, doctor John Money, a professor
of pediatrics and medical psychology at John Hopkins University, had
a passion that he began pressing with his colleagues. He
was interested in the topic of gender identity, a psychological
term coined to describe a person's inner sense of themselves
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as male or female. Doctor Money was drawn to John
Hopkins for a particular reason.
Speaker 6 (15:13):
His training was at Harvard rather back in the nineteen forties.
Speaker 2 (15:16):
That's Quentin van Meter, a pediatric endocrinologist, someone who specializes
in glands and the hormones. They produce. Quentin studied under
doctor Money at John Hopkins in the late nineteen seventies.
Speaker 6 (15:29):
He came to Hopkins because JOHNS Hopkins was sort of
the epicenter in the United States of clinical research on
how sexual differentiation of the human fetus happens. He was
an individual that was sort of one of what I
refer to as the Big Three and the sexual Revolution
of the nineteen seventies and sixties to sort of say, well,
(15:53):
we think that whatever somebody has in their head about
their sexual identity can be manipulated.
Speaker 2 (15:59):
Doctor Money wanted to set up a clinic at John
Hopkins to prefer form what is today commonly referred to
as sex reassignment surgery or sex changes. The surgery would
not actually reassign or change the sex of the patient.
That was not biologically possible then, nor is it today.
But instead the clinic would perform plastic surgery to give
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the appearance of the patient's inner gender identity. At the time,
the field was focused almost exclusively on adults. But doctor
Money had a radical idea about human sexuality.
Speaker 7 (16:34):
We've been stereotyped in our view of male and female.
Speaker 2 (16:38):
That's doctor Money, male and female behavior.
Speaker 7 (16:42):
I suppose, primarily because it's been that way for literally
centuries and probably hundreds of centuries.
Speaker 2 (16:57):
The radical idea he had was that gender identity was
a social construct that could be taught to a child
through their environment, regardless of their biology. He was one
of the few researchers pushing for a revolution in human
sexuality at the time. Doctor Money worked with doctor Harry Benjamin,
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a sexologist and androcinologist who treated people diagnosed with gender
identity disorder with hormones. Doctor Benjamin authored the seminal nineteen
sixty six book The Transsexual Phenomenon. Before its publication, gender
identity research was considered an oddity, but his book helped
bring some legitimacy to the field in the nineteen sixties.
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In July nineteen sixty six, doctor Money established the Hopkins
Gender Identity Clinic to perform cosmetic sex change surgeries, with
his colleague doctor Harry Benjamin providing the clinic with prospective
patients for the operations. For the initial male to female surgeries,
they were careful to select the most feminine adult patients
for maximum public acceptance. That year, the clinic and they
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performed their first surgery on an African American Man, and
the news of the surgery hit the front page of
the New York Times. The sensationalism of the clinic assured
more media coverage.
Speaker 8 (18:14):
Only a few weeks ago, Johns Hopkins Hospital in Baltimore
announced that it was opening a gender identity clinic espressly
for people who wanted to change their sex.
Speaker 2 (18:23):
Doctor Money, an exceedingly confident man, was the mouthpiece of
the clinic. He made media appearances discussing the so called
sex change surgeries, including a Canadian talk.
Speaker 4 (18:34):
Show Doctor Money. It's still a pretty drastic procedure, isn't it.
Speaker 8 (18:41):
Well, it's a drastic procedure by your standards in mine.
But for the people who are living in desperation, perhaps
the best way to understand it is that it seems
no more drastic to them than circumcision.
Speaker 2 (18:55):
By chance, watching the show were Canadian parents dealing with
a horrendous accident. The parents had twin boys named Bruce
and Brian. When they were still toddlers, they acquired a
problem with urinating, so their doctor suggested circumcision. But the
morning after the surgery, the parents got some tough news
(19:18):
about their son Bruce's procedure.
Speaker 9 (19:20):
And then the doctor said, there has been a slight accident. Uh,
the penis has been burnt off from circumcision. And I
could not comprehend what he was talking about because, you see,
I thought they were going to use a knife. I
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didn't know there was electricity involved.
Speaker 2 (19:45):
The parents were distraught and didn't know what to do.
But then a few months later they saw doctor Money
on the TV show speaking about the promising new field
of sex change surgery. He appeared on the show with
one of his post operation patients, a transsexual female.
Speaker 9 (20:03):
The transsexual certainly made an impact because she was a
very feminine seeming woman, and I thought, here's our answer.
Speaker 2 (20:19):
Bruce's family wrote to doctor Money and he quickly responded.
When they met, doctor Money suggested that their son, Bruce
could be changed into a girl. After months of agonizing desperation,
Bruce's parents thought they'd finally had a stroke of good luck.
But what they didn't realize was that it was doctor
Money who was the lucky one. You see, he'd stumbled
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across the perfect case two twin boys to test his
radical theory that a child could be raised to become
either a boy or a girl, regardless of their biological
sex in his eyes, if a young child was given
consistent affirmation in a gender opposite his biological gender, nurture
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could open power nature, and now he'd be able to
prove it by ensuring one twin was raised as a
boy and the other as a girl. A few months later,
around his second birthday, Bruce was castrated and cosmetic surgery
was performed to create the appearance of a volva. Bruce
then began receiving hormones, and his parents started raising him
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as a girl. Bruce became Brenda, but Brenda's mother almost
immediately had doubts the change would stick.
Speaker 10 (21:34):
I lied to myself, I uh pretended it was going
to work. But when he was two years old and
I put him in a dress, he tried to rip
it off. Then I thought, oh my god, he doesn't
want to be a girl.
Speaker 2 (21:50):
Twins met doctor Money once a year so he could
see how they were progressing. But sometime before Brenda became
seven years old, the doctor began doubting that Brenda would
ever feel like a girl. And what the doctor did
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So in the mid nineteen sixties, a twin baby boy
named Bruce lost his penis after a botched circumcision. In
a panic, his parents called gender identity pioneer doctor John Money.
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The doctor suggested that they could change their boy, Bruce
into a girl. Around his second birthday, Bruce was fully
castrated and cosmetic surgery was performed to create the appearance
of a volva. His parents began giving him hormones and
started raising him as a girl. Bruce became Brenda, but
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sometime before Brenda became seven years old, the doctor began
doubting that Brenda would ever feel like a girl. Nevertheless,
in nineteen seventy two, doctor Money published the book Man
and Woman, Boy and Girl, touting Brenda as verification of
his theory that a child could be raised to believe
they were the opposite sex. The book was a sensation
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in the medical field, but back at Brenda's home, the
reality was entirely different. His mother noted that Brenda acted
masculine looked masculine, and everyone else saw it as well.
As the twins' visits with doctor Money progressed, it became
unmistakably obvious that Brenda was not taking to being a girl.
So doctor Money began trying different techniques to convince the
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child he was a she, first talking to both of
the twins about their genitalia, then showing them pictures of
women giving birth. When that didn't appear to work, doctor
Money became more aggressive. He tried to convince Brenda to
have surgery to construct a vagina. Brenda said no, but
when doctor Money pressed, Brenda said maybe. When he was thirteen,
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Doctor Money got more dressed. The twins claimed that doctor
Money forced them to undress and to look at each
other's genitulia, and even instructed them to participate in sexual
foreplay with each other. They claimed he took pictures of
them naked. It was extremely traumatic for the boys.
Speaker 6 (24:19):
But Doctor Money was unequivocally a sexual.
Speaker 2 (24:23):
Perverbe again doctor Quentin van Meterer.
Speaker 6 (24:26):
And that bothered those of us that had to deal
with him as a professor and teacher. He had bizarre
ideas about what was socially appropriate and what was sexually appropriate.
Speaker 2 (24:40):
By nineteen seventy eight, when Brenda was almost thirteen, Doctor
Money tried one last attempt to convince Brenda to have
the surgery by introducing Brenda to a transsexual. It didn't work.
Brenda told his parents that he'd kill himself if he
had to see doctor Money again. With Brenda near suicidal,
his parents decided to tell him the truth about what
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had happened to him. Shock turned into a sense of
relief for Brenda. He decided to begin living as a
boy and renamed himself David. But doctor Money failed to
update the gender identity community on Brenda's case. Around the
same time Brenda refused the surgery, both doctor Money and
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his colleague, doctor Harry Benjamin began receiving serious scrutiny from
their research colleagues. Doctor Harry Benjamin's partner publicly announced that
eighty percent of the people that wanted to change their
gender shouldn't do it, and he stopped administering hormones to
patients experiencing gender identity disorder. In doctor Money's case, John
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Hopkins decided to evaluate the outcomes of his work by
reviewing both patients that underwent gender reassignment and those that
didn't have the surgery. A report on the findings was
issued in nineteen seventy nine, claiming there was no medical
necessity for surgery. The Hopkins Gender Identity Clinic abruptly closed
shortly after. The affirming treatment approach, where patient's desired gender
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identity was affirmed and treated with hormones and surgery, took
a major hit with the closure of the John Hopkins
Clinic and the alarm sounded off by doctor Benjamin's partner.
The affirmation advocates needed a new approach, so doctor Money
and doctor Benjamin formed what would become known as the
World Professional Association for Transgender Health, or w PATH, and
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drafted a standard of care for patients suffering with gender
identity disorder. If the medical community no longer backed their approach,
they'd do it privately. They recruited a psychologist to head
the w PATH organization, a colleague that shared their approach.
That person was doctor Paul Walker, the same doctor that
convinced Walt Hare that a sex change was the answer
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to his problems.
Speaker 1 (26:55):
So after Walt got the surgery in nineteen eighty three,
his daughters stopped talking to him. Walt thought it was
an appropriate response, but his son had different take.
Speaker 4 (27:04):
My son looked at me one day and said, well,
I can see what you are on the outside, but
I actually know who you are on the inside.
Speaker 1 (27:11):
He was now living his life as Laura in San Francisco.
He worked for the FDIIC and then the postal Service.
Speaker 4 (27:17):
Eventually, my curiosity got me to start opening books on
psychology at uc Santa Cruz, where I was studying substance
abuse and drug abuse and psychology and many things so
I could become a counselor, which is one thing I
really wanted to do.
Speaker 1 (27:37):
And in his studies, he read some books that spoke
specifically to his early.
Speaker 4 (27:41):
Trauma, and looking at the books, I began to realize
that there's a lot of psychological issues that go along
with people who cross dress are identify in a different gender.
And the first one that I remember was an article
or a study that was done from Cornell University, and
it was a boy who cross dressed and identified as
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a girl. And it said in the study that they
did of this young man that he did so because
his mother had died. He was very close to his mother,
and the way that he in his mind could stay
close to his mother was to actually take on her identity,
so he became he identified as a female so that
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he would feel close to the mother who had passed away.
So I looked at that, that's pretty unusual. And when
I've found out one hundred percent of the people that
I work with had something happened to them when they
were younger, and it could be a story like mine,
it could be many other different types of stories. Some
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of them were passed around from foster home to foster
home and were just felt like they just wanted to
erase their past, their past was just too painful, or
they were physically abused. A large portion of them have
been sexually abused. And I've learned that some of the
boys who were sexually molested like I was at an
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early age, opted to do this whole gender identity change
and go for the surgery because, strangely enough, if they
feel like, if they can rid themselves of their genitalia,
then nobody will ever sexually molest them again.
Speaker 1 (29:29):
Slowly, over time reading these studies, Walt began to come
to a personal realization.
Speaker 4 (29:34):
And so as I began to see this, and I
began to realize that no one actually changes. You can't.
A man can't become a woman. I realize that a
woman can't actually become a man. Alls we can do
is masquerade and in this way to feel like we're
protected against further abuse. But it's not actually a real
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change of who we are. It's just a matter of
putting on some sort of armor against it, and sometimes
across gender identity feels like it's armor against further abuse.
So as I begin to realize this, then I begin
to detransition, the term we use today to detransition, and
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start working my way back to identifying as Walt again.
After living eight years as Laura.
Speaker 1 (30:31):
Walt began believing that the source of his gender confusion
was rooted in the tragic events of his youth, events
that he didn't fully understand at the time and didn't
properly deal with as he came of age.
Speaker 6 (30:41):
There are issues which I call the dark.
Speaker 1 (30:43):
Basement again, doctor quintin van Meter.
Speaker 6 (30:46):
Where things are scary and frightening to the point where
you can't really open the door and go down in
there unless you have a guide with you who takes
you down the stairs, turns the lights on, opens the windows.
You know, brings in fresh air and cleans up the mass,
gets rid of the mob than the dead animals and
anything else that's in the basement or the ghosts or
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whatever is down there inside the human psyche that is
so frightening that you can't go down without help.
Speaker 1 (31:14):
Walt thinks that the core reason why most people transition
is because they haven't dealt with this dark basement.
Speaker 4 (31:20):
There was nobody around that was talking about other things
or what happened to them. To help people look back
and try to discover what caused them to feel this way.
Speaker 1 (31:35):
Walt eventually had surgery to fully transition back to living
life as a male. He reconnected with his daughter, and
he remarried. In the late nineties, Around the time that
Walt started his new life and marriage, two men started
their own challenging new quest. The twin boys, treated by
doctor John Money, started to speak out publicly about the
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trauma that doctor Money put them through. The medical community
was stunned. According to a PBS documentary on the Twins,
doctor Money led the scientific community to believe that his
seminal brenda transition case was an unmitigated success. Now, twenty
five years later, the world was finding out that it
was anything but a success. Doctor Money was disgraced.
Speaker 6 (32:17):
And so it was a sad circumstance that he was
actually a revered act in emission at Johns Hopkins. And
when he lost his reputation and his clinical was closed,
we those of us that knew him, said, well, it's
about time.
Speaker 1 (32:32):
The twin boy that transitioned to Brenda later underwent detransition surgery,
renamed himself David, and eventually married, becoming fathers to the
kids of his new wife, But his twin brother, shortly
after speaking out against doctor Money, committed suicide. David would
spiral shortly after, unable to find work and separated from
his wife, he would also commit suicide. The entire ordeal
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was a major setback for the field of sex reassignment.
Much of the field remained an oddity in the US,
but that would change soon. In the Netherlands, the field
was blossoming because of a relatively new development. Instead of
focusing treatments almost exclusively on adults, the Netherlands began to
popularize the treatments of adolescence before they hit puberty. The
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practice of affirming or accepting a person's gender identity was
experiencing a renewal. Adolescents with gender dysphoria the new name
for the condition, were given hormone blockers to halt the
effects of puberty. This was done to give them time
to decide whether they wanted a sex change. If the
condition didn't desist, the person could undergo sex reassignment surgery.
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The affirming approach of old had matured. The man widely
thought to have brought over the Netherlands treatment to the
US as doctor Norman Spack, a pediatric and acnologist, again
the study of glands and the hormones they make.
Speaker 6 (33:52):
He came to this conclusion after he had spent time
in the Netherlands looking at their clinical experience in children
which were treated with psychologice therapy, affirmation of their new
gender concepts, medical manipulation, and surgical interventions. So that came
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to the United States in two thousand and six. Before that,
there was literally no place for a patient to go
to talk to it quote an expert unquote in the
field because it was not an entity that was common
enough to have protocols for treatment, particularly in children adults.
Everything was pretty much underground. So this opened the door.
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Doctor Spack was a member of the American Endocrine Society.
He brought in a panel of individuals who were very
much aligned with him in terms of his ideas, and
he was able to get this organization, which had been
the Harry Benjamin Society previously but which is now called
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the World Professional Association of Transgender Health WPATH is their acronym.
They had a set of guidelines for treatment for affirmation,
medical treatment, and surgical treatment of children and adults, and
it was pretty much rubber stamped and brought into the
AFRIN Society as normative scientifically based treatment, and the guidelines
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were published and approved by the Anderfrin Society in two
thousand and nine.
Speaker 1 (35:25):
In this country, the approach of affirming a child's chosen
gender identity was now the standard of treatment. The transgender
community took on the same template as the gay community.
They were in essence born this way. This introduction to
the United States had perfect timing. President Obama was appointing
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an unprecedented number of LGBT people in key positions throughout
his administration, more than three hundred over his two terms.
This included his safe schools are Kevin Jennings again, Walter Hayer.
Speaker 4 (36:00):
Kevin Jennings is a homosexual act of who began to
put into all the public school systems all of the
gay and transgender days, and now our schools have become
an indoctrination center for LGBT activities. We didn't step up
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the activity on teaching kids how to get better prepared
to go into society to become engineers and scientists. We're
teaching them how to change genders. And so I think
it's a powerful political move for the Democratic Party to
embrace this group and grow them up so that they
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become part of the base of the Democratic Party for
future voting. And that's exactly what's going to happen. So
they can grow the transgender and LGBT population, they also
grow their voting base.
Speaker 1 (36:56):
With activists now pushing the agenda, gender dysphoria became a
political weapon. Anyone that opposed horn momebokers for kids became
a transphobe. Any treatment that tried to help a child
accept their biological sex was labeled as conversion therapy, an
ugly smear dating back to when people tried to convert
homosexuals into heterosexuals. Activism had now entered a field that
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should have been void of politics. By the time the
twenty sixteen election cycle began. In twenty fifteen, the stage
was set. With the debate over gay marriage taken off
the table by the Supreme Court, another issue was needed
to attack Republicans with. Nothing can do that better than
the issue of transgenderism. Bruce Jenner's transition announcement lit the fuse.
Speaker 4 (37:41):
I would say, I've always been very confused with my
gender identity since I was this bit twenty fifteen's going
to be quite a ride.
Speaker 10 (37:51):
Quite a ride.
Speaker 1 (37:53):
Transgenderism went mainstream overnight. It was immediately weaponized to attack Republicans.
Speaker 2 (37:58):
Caitlin General, I'll call him, Caitlyn Jeneral, No her, you're
not being polite to the prone because disrespect.
Speaker 4 (38:04):
Okay, forget about the disrespect facts.
Speaker 2 (38:06):
Don't care about your feelings.
Speaker 1 (38:07):
And at times it was used with devastating decision to
take out prominent Trump supporters. Any comment that suggested an
insensitivity towards transgenders was used to take them out.
Speaker 3 (38:17):
I'm like, yeah, three year olds can't be trans. Everyone's
like what and so long story short, I make these
problematic statements and then my agent drops me like you're
not a woman.
Speaker 5 (38:28):
I'm sorry, it's not something you can procure and that's
my opinion, and there's lots of data to back it up.
But so they hit the fan. I mean I always
have about fifteen spinning plates. All the plates flew off
the sticks and crashed to the floor. Uh, my company,
I think is shut down.
Speaker 3 (38:46):
One self proclaimed internet troll, Milo Yanopolis tells us he's
unapologetic and proud even after being banned from Twitter for
his infamous online taunting of Ghostbusters star Leslie Jones.
Speaker 7 (38:59):
In the Twitter storm, they were done.
Speaker 1 (39:13):
Which leads us back to the question why has transgenderism
become so popular? The answer is transgenderism has become weaponized.
It has become the perfect tool for so many to
further their cause. It's being used by the left to
attack Republicans, by activists to deep platform their voters. It's
being used by the media as clickbait by the gay
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community to add to their ranks, and it's being used
to create a booming pharmaceutical treatment center and surgery market.
Let me make myself clear here. If adults want to
choose to have sex reassignment surgery, that's their decision. But
when a topic is serious as transgenderism becomes weaponized, lives
can be unnecessarily ruined. We should be able to debate
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whether automatically affirming a person's desired gender is healthy for
our society. We should be able to debate the normalizing
a hormone blockers for kids. And we should be able
to discuss whether what we are experiencing is culture's natural
evolution or some new form of trendy genderism caused by Hollywood,
the media, Silicon Valley, and political activists. We should be
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able to debate all of this without being branded transphobes.
If Walt Hayer wasn't automatically affirmed in the eighties, instead
met with a treatment to explore the origin of his genderness,
for you, he would never have had to go through
the irreversible ordeal of sex reassignment surgery twice. Maybe as
a society, we should be teaching our kids that they
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are beautiful just the way they are, that they don't
need to change their body. Because if we open the
door to affirmation for how people identify, no matter what
the biological facts, we will be opening up a door
that we may never be able to shut again.
Speaker 6 (40:53):
I first developed the idea that I need to be
blind when I was around six.
Speaker 9 (41:00):
Becoming blind was definitely a difficult decision to make.
Speaker 11 (41:03):
They analogize this to gender identity disorder. But here instead
of a sexual reassignment, Jule is saying, I want to
cite reassignment.
Speaker 2 (41:14):
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