August 4, 2025 • 41 mins
Why is the media afraid of free speech? To find the answer, we tell the story of Twitter, and why it shifted away from free speech. We hear from Allum Bokhari, Big Tech investigative journalist for Breitbart News and author of #Deleted. We also here from Miranda Devine, author of Laptop from Hell. And we dig into our vaults to hear from Breitbart News’ Editor-in-Chief Alex Marlow…whose early encounter with Twitter revealed the true potential of the platform.
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There's something about Elon Musk owning Twitter that's driving the
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media bonkers. His pledge to restore free speech to the
platform has the so called free speech industry flipping out.
Speaker 3 (01:31):
Elon Musk has never been an advocate for free speech.
Speaker 4 (01:34):
He's an advocate for speech without consequences.
Speaker 5 (01:37):
And when he's asked whether he's a free speech absolutist
and he says yes, I guess what does that mean?
Speaker 4 (01:43):
When Elon Musk says, wow, this is about free speech,
it seems to me that it's about free speech of
straight white men.
Speaker 6 (01:52):
If you can invite it to something where there is
total freedom for everybody, do you actually want to go
to that party?
Speaker 1 (01:58):
All their whining got us thinking, why does a free
speech Twitter scare them?
Speaker 2 (02:06):
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Speaker 1 (02:19):
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Speaker 2 (02:22):
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Welcome to red Pilled America.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
It was December two thousand and six, a cold but
sunny San Francisco day, when the founders of a scrappy
social media startup sat down for one of their first interviews.
Speaker 7 (03:00):
And today we're in the office of Twitter.
Speaker 8 (03:01):
Yes we are, and please introduce to yourself. I'm Biz Stone,
Jack Dorsey, Evan Williams.
Speaker 1 (03:08):
Jack Dorsey was in a T shirt and jeans. His
du co founders weren't buttoned up either. Their office was
in a Bay Area borough called South Park, not the
Comedy Central show, but it might as well have been,
because the trio were in a process of making a
community that would become just as politically incorrect as the
Cartoon City, maybe even more so. All three had something
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to say about their new creation, but Jack Dorsey, the
guy who came up with the idea, appeared to be
the lead spokesman for the project. He was the soul
of the startup.
Speaker 9 (03:39):
Well, can you tell us what Twitter is, because some
people who are watching may not even know what Twitter is.
Speaker 1 (03:43):
Absolutely no.
Speaker 8 (03:44):
Twitter is a way to keep connected with your friends.
It's basically mini blogging. It's a very low barrier to
entry way to blog what you're thinking about. And how
does it differ from a traditional blog or how's it similar.
We have some different input methods, the major one being
the phone. The other major constraint is we limit everything
tow one hundred and sixty characters. So these are very short,
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focused updates and they're usually personal, and they're usually about
just random things you're doing during the day instead of
being a very composed article or you know, a normal
blog post. But it's also about receiving what your friends
are doing right now, which is the other side of it.
Speaker 7 (04:21):
So we forgot to ask what is the origin of
the name twitter?
Speaker 8 (04:25):
If you look it up in the dictionary, it's actually
the just short burst of activity and it's something that
birds to It's just like chirping. So we felt that
it fit fit our application perfectly because we limit each
update to one hundred and sixty characters. They're short, they're rapid,
and they come all the time.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
They were just a few months old, very few people
outside of the company were using the site.
Speaker 8 (04:49):
So we're looking at my Twitter account and I have
ninety followers at the moment, so ninety people are watching
what I'm doing and getting that update on their phone
or on their i AM client, and I have customized
my account with this pretty red maroon background. We allow
our users to just customize in simple way background image.
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They can tilt, they can change the color of the links,
they can change the sidebar color, and that's about it.
Speaker 1 (05:20):
In those early days, Jack Dorsey had a very lazy
fair approach to moderation. In his view, the community would
self regulate.
Speaker 10 (05:27):
I have been threatened though, because it's so easy to use.
Speaker 2 (05:32):
So what is your recommendation for that?
Speaker 8 (05:35):
Like, you know, is there an keep question?
Speaker 11 (05:38):
How to newbies who are who are who have a
d D use this product?
Speaker 8 (05:43):
Probably seems so it's like so it's just in my
i AM you know right there, So I'm just.
Speaker 6 (05:48):
Like, oh, go to get coffee in my kitchen or
you know, like what's the I.
Speaker 8 (05:52):
Think We've been finding that socially it works itself out,
Like your friends are going to they're going to stop following,
turning off off.
Speaker 1 (06:01):
Yeah, there was no heavy hand and no kicking people
off for saying too much. People would simply unfollow undesirable accounts.
When it went live nine months earlier in March two
thousand and six, Twitter was behind in the social media game.
My Space was the reigning king of socials. Facebook had
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launched over two years earlier and was nipping at my
Space's heels. Yet, Jack still had big hopes for his
simple social media site, but in hearing him speak in
those early days, it appeared that he didn't fully grasp
what he'd built. Jack Dorsey and his co founders had
created one of the most disruptive communication tools in modern history.
Speaker 12 (06:46):
I Twitter a lost her.
Speaker 8 (06:49):
Okay, it's great.
Speaker 5 (06:50):
Okay, Hi, It's Friday Live and I'm on Twitter for
the first time.
Speaker 13 (06:53):
I am going to make history here as the first
president to live tweet.
Speaker 14 (06:58):
We're very excited because we've taken up the Twitter here
on the Late Show and it's fantastic.
Speaker 5 (07:03):
Merril, here's my idea. Okay, so you are nominated. It's
a record breaking eighteen times, right, So I thought we
would try to break another record right now with the
most retweets of a photo.
Speaker 14 (07:13):
Well, I wanted to save my first tweet for the
world's first reusable rocket.
Speaker 5 (07:17):
Kim Kardashian tweeting what color is that dress?
Speaker 3 (07:20):
Icee white and gold?
Speaker 11 (07:21):
Kanye sees black and blue?
Speaker 5 (07:22):
Who's colorblinde?
Speaker 10 (07:23):
This all started with a single tweet that was posted
by Vanity Fair magazine, and as you see it here,
there's the picture. It shows Caitlin, who was formerly known
as Bruce Jenner, on the cover of the July issue.
I tweeted today at real Donald Trump by tweet you
know it sounds though, Don't worry.
Speaker 1 (07:39):
I'll give it up after imp President, we want a
ride up. This means that Donald Trump will be the
forty fifth president of the United States.
Speaker 15 (07:48):
Let me tell you about tweeted.
Speaker 14 (07:49):
I think that maybe I wouldn't be here if it
wasn't for Twitter, because I get such a fake press,
such a dishonest press.
Speaker 16 (07:55):
Creating a backlash on Twitter pictures in video depicting comedian
Kathy Griffin holding the bloody, decapitated head of press.
Speaker 10 (08:03):
Trump, but the hashtag me too has already been tweeted
nearly half a million times.
Speaker 6 (08:07):
ABC is just as yared a stunning statement Wolf that
says the show has been canceled I'll read you the
two sentence statement Roseanne's Twitter statement, these racist remarks earlier
in the day are abhorrent, repugnant, and inconsistent with our values.
And then we have decided to cancel her show.
Speaker 3 (08:22):
I thought that was.
Speaker 7 (08:24):
Why Twitter trying to kill reports into linked the emails
that were found apparently on the abandoned computer of Hunt
to Biden. When you're trying to click on to that story,
the initial story in the New York Post on these emails,
Twitter said no, you can't, it's unsafe, and it banned
you from retweeting links to it as well, and it
locked even the New York Post's own Twitter account.
Speaker 4 (08:47):
Twitter is meddling in the twenty twenty election.
Speaker 5 (08:51):
That's the only way.
Speaker 3 (08:52):
Of putting it.
Speaker 4 (08:52):
Tonight, a deafening silence from the President's Twitter account in
his waiting days as commander in chief, Twitter, run by
CEO Jack Dorsey, saying after close review of the President's
recent tweets, it banned him due to the risk of
further incitement of violence.
Speaker 1 (09:14):
Twitter has launched massive social movements, exposed frauds, helped exonerate
the innocent, ended political dynasties, and some believe it even
meddled in an election. Jack Dorsey's creation has become one
of the most powerful communication tools in America. But it
really begs the question what is this social media platform?
Because it sure isn't just a microblogging site, as its
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founders initially described.
Speaker 2 (09:39):
To fully grasp what Twitter would become, you really need
to understand how the site got its start and how
the soul of the company, Jack Dorsey, seemed to stumble
into building a revolution in media. We reached out to
Jack Dorsey to be interviewed for this story. He didn't respond,
but we've pieced together his story from the many interviews
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and speeches he's given throughout the years. I grew up
in Saint Louis, Missouri, and fell in love with the.
Speaker 8 (10:06):
City, and my parents always stayed in the city. They
never moved out to the suburbs. There were true believers
in the city, and Saint Louis was one of the
hardest hit cities in America apart from Detroit in the
Great Flight to the suburbs in the forties and fifties
in the sixties, So when I was growing up, I
was surrounded by this urban atmosphere and I just loved it.
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My first love, I think, was the city and was
walking around downtown Saint Louis, and it was fairly desolate
when I was growing up, but it was still a
joy and a wonder to me.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
To add to his urban love affair, at a young age,
Jack developed an enthusiasm for computer programming. He'd eventually marry
his two passions by writing programs that could draw city
maps on a screen.
Speaker 8 (10:55):
And then I put some dots on the map, and
then I learned how to move the dots around. And
then the next challenge was to figure out how to
keep the dots on the streets because they're kind of
going all over the place. And then they had all
these dots moving around this beautiful picture of this map
which represented downtown Saint Louis and then later represented New
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York City, which I was amazed by. And the issue
was that none of the dots had any meaning whatsoever.
They're just random dots moving around this city.
Speaker 2 (11:27):
His parents had a c BE in a police scanner.
Jack was mesmerized by these two communication tools because ambulances
and fire trucks and police cars and taxi drivers were
constantly reporting where they were. So he figured out a
way to take that information and input it into a
program he'd written to have the dots on the map
move with real life meaning.
Speaker 8 (11:52):
And I found all these open databases of this information.
This A lot of this was after the fact, but
it was still interesting to watch and to see unfold.
So now I had this picture of real live data
of a real live city operating in front of me,
and I just thought it was the most beautiful thing
ever that I could visualize a city living and breathing.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
He learned that there was a company that created the
same kind of software. It was called Dispatch.
Speaker 8 (12:18):
So I went to University of Mersi, Rala initially, and
I was deciding between political science at the time in
computer science because I've always been fascinated by cities and
at some point want to maybe potentially go into government.
Still not quite sure if I have more effect there
or more effect in programming.
Speaker 2 (12:36):
Then he came to a realization writing government policy and
writing computer programs were very similar. Both could get people
to react, they could affect behavior, but.
Speaker 8 (12:47):
The difference is the timescal So I could write a
policy as as a senator or as a mayor, and
I could see the effect. Maybe in eight years but
I could write that same policy and write a simulator
around it and write populations around it, and I could
see that effect instantly with the computer. So I went
down the computer science track and all that time I
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was building this dispatch system because I was just fascinated
by these cities and the visualizations.
Speaker 2 (13:13):
He enjoyed the work, but it was lacking in one thing, humans,
but it.
Speaker 8 (13:18):
Was all verticals. There were no people in it, where
all the people in the city.
Speaker 2 (13:26):
The city visualizations showed objects moving around. But he wanted
to be able to map and maybe even impact people's movement.
Speaker 8 (13:35):
And that's when I started working on a very very
simple prototype based on some inspiration from instant Messenger and
also a service called live journal, which was a very
simple journal blogging application that allowed you to compose a
blog post and it would go to a friend's page.
And I also had the first BlackBerry because I was
still working in dispatch at the time. It was called
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the RIM eight point fifty and it was basically just
an email pager. But what it allowed is I could
be anywhere in the world, anywhere in the city, and
I could share what I was doing, and maybe I
could also see what other people were doing. So I
wrote some very simple software to receive an email from
my BlackBerry and then send it out to an email
list of some people I put on that list, and
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I got that done in about a day. And then
I went out to Golden Gate Park and I went
to the bison paddock, and I typed out an email
that said I'm at Golden Gate Park watching the bison.
And I went out to my service and was broadcast
out to all these people. And I immediately recognized two things. First,
no one cared what I was doing. And second, no
one else had a BlackBerry, so I was alone in
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my sharing and also receiving, so I was getting no
information back. So wrong time, good idea. Put it on
the shelf.
Speaker 2 (14:52):
Jack continued working for the Dispatch company writing visualization programs,
then went on to work random contract jobs until two
thousand and five when he found a company called Odio.
Odio was a tool that helped people create, record, and
share the newest thing in media at the time, podcast
The small but growing community of audio podcasts had no
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industry leader. Odio was looking to be that.
Speaker 8 (15:17):
I had no interest in podcasting whatsoever, but I was
a really good programmer and I wanted to understand the
consumer side of the Internet.
Speaker 2 (15:29):
The problem was that Odio was about to meet one
of the biggest tech juggernauts that has ever existed, and
it was an encounter that their podcasting software wouldn't survive.
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Speaker 2 (16:55):
Welcome back to red Pilled America. So in two thousand
and five, Jack Dorsey went to work for a small
podcasting outfit called Odeo. The company helped people create, record,
and share a new fangled thing called podcast The problem
was that Odeo was about to meet one of the
biggest tech juggernauts that has ever existed, and it was
an encounter that their podcasting software wouldn't survive.
Speaker 13 (17:22):
How many of you here use an iPod?
Speaker 1 (17:26):
That's Apple founder Steve Jobs at a two thousand and
five conference called all Things Digital.
Speaker 13 (17:31):
How many have you heard of podcasting? So let me
start at the beginning and tell you what it's all about.
Podcasting is a word that's concatenation of iPod and broadcasting.
Right put together, podcasting and what podcasting is. It's started
off as Wayne's World for radio. Think about that way
right where you've got anybody could make a radio show
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and put it on the Internet and broadcast it out there.
Anybody else could listen to it. And then what you
could do is, because people like to put out multiple
episod the radio show, you could subscribe to a radio
show and every time it's updated, you'll get the update
right on your computer and it'll go into your iPod
when you sink your iPod.
Speaker 6 (18:12):
Right.
Speaker 13 (18:12):
Pretty cool. What's happened since is that it's not just
the Wayne's World of radio, but real radio is jumping
onto this and there's over eight thousand podcasts today. It's
kind of interesting. There's no FCC regulation because you're not
using spectrum, you're using the Internet, so that makes it
very simple. It's worldwide. You put your radio show out
there and anyone in the world can listen to this.
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And if you Google podcast, six point two million entries
in Google and podcasting, which is kind of fun. So again,
it's sort of like Tbow for radio for your iPod.
So let me show you what it's like. This is
the next release of iTunes called Release four point nine,
and I'm just going to run it right now. And
what we can do is we go to the music
store and there's a little thing called podcasts right here.
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You click that and we've got a page full of
podcasts right here.
Speaker 1 (18:58):
Steve Jobs effectively legitimize the new media form, and with
the entry into the podcasting business, Apple left Odio without
a sustainable business model. The company had to think of
something else quickly. So Odio turned to its employees, including
Jack Dorsey.
Speaker 8 (19:16):
And we were given the assignment of come up with
an idea of something you'd like to work on. And
the first thing that came to my mind was this
idea back in two thousand but now in two thousand
and five, two thousand and six, we had SMS.
Speaker 1 (19:30):
We know of SMS today as texting.
Speaker 8 (19:33):
I could actually send an SMS message from Singular to Horizon.
That was that was very, very new to the United States,
and I was in love with the technology. It's you know,
it degrades gracefully to every single device, even the cheapest devices,
and it has this beautiful constraint of one hundred and
sixty characters, and it doesn't really work all the time,
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and it's really rough around the edges. I love stuff
like that. So I brought up this idea, what if
we could just use SMS. You could send what you're doing.
They would go out in real time to all the
people who are interested in hearing it, and then it
would be archived on the web. You could also enter
it from the web and it would be device agnostic.
It and be a whole thing. It'd be awesome. And
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my two other people in the park were on a
playground said it was a good idea, and we presented
to the company and it took about a week, but
then the company finally got behind it, and I was
given two weeks, one other programmer and viz Stone to
write the software and end and we did it. And
at the end of that two weeks, I wrote the
first tweet, which was inviting coworkers, and then all the
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audio coworkers came on. They loved it.
Speaker 1 (20:45):
For the first few months, the Twitter team tinkered away
with the platform, making modifications, then seeing how the small
group of users reacted. They'd make seemingly little, inane personal
updates about their day, where they were, what they were doing.
It was fun, even addictive. But it wasn't until once
summer night that the true potential of Twitter was revealed.
Speaker 2 (21:08):
On the evening of August two, two thousand and six,
a small four point five magnitude earthquake, centered about fifty
miles north of San Francisco lightly shook the Bay area.
Twitter co founder Eb Williams immediately took to his Twitter
account and posted did anyone just feel that earthquake? A
minute later, Jack Dorsey joined in, posting just felt that earthquake?
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No one else here did. It may have seemed like
a small, unimportant event, especially to Californians who are used
to far worse tremors, but in hindsight, it was a
truly earth shattering moment. Twitter was being used to give
first hand eyewitness accounts of what was happening on the ground.
The team had accidentally stumbled onto the true power of
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their tool. It could be a news gathering and spreading
tool that could operate far faster than the legacy media
and without their filter.
Speaker 1 (22:06):
By early two thousand and seven, the same company that
wiped out their original podcasting project came up with another
innovation that would catapult Twitter's popularity.
Speaker 13 (22:15):
This is a day I've been looking forward to for
two and a half years. Every once in a while,
a revolutionary product comes along that changes everything. Apple's been
very fortunate. It's been able to introduce a few of
these into the world. Nineteen eighty four, we introduced the Macintosh.
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It didn't just change Apple, it changed the whole computer industry.
In two thousand and one, we introduced the first iPod,
and it didn't just It didn't just change the way
we all listen to music, it changed the entire music industry. Well,
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today we're introducing three revolutionary products of this class. The
first one is a widescreen iPod with touch controls, second
is a revolutionary mobile phone, and the third is a
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breakthrough Internet communications device. So three things, a wide screen
iPod with touch controls, a revolutionary mobile phone, and a
breakthrough Internet communications device an iPod, a phone, and an
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Internet communicator an iPod a phone.
Speaker 14 (23:59):
Are you getting it?
Speaker 13 (24:04):
These are not three separate devices.
Speaker 16 (24:08):
This is one device.
Speaker 13 (24:14):
And we are calling it iPhone. Today Apple is going
to reinvent the phone.
Speaker 1 (24:29):
And Apple did just that, but it also helped launch
a thousand new services that would sit on the iPhone platform,
one of them being Twitter. When the iPhone launched, Twitter
was there to piggyback on its success.
Speaker 15 (24:42):
Twitter was one of the more interesting of the big platforms,
I think because it's really a platform that succeeded because
of the concept and the technology more than the marketing.
Speaker 1 (24:52):
That's Alan Baccari, who investigates big tech for Breitbart News.
He's also the author of Deleted, Big Tech's Battle to
erase the Trump Movement and steal the election.
Speaker 15 (25:03):
So to contrast it with Facebook, Facebook had a really
clever marketing strategy of going campus by campus and making
it exclusive. It started off as a Harvard only thing,
then it expanded to other campuses, and that slowly built
hype over time. Every college campus is wondering when Facebook
would come to it next. Twitter didn't do that. What
they had was a very interesting concept. We're going to
limit people to one hundred and forty characters, and we're
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going to see what people do with that. And that
concept that just became very very addictive right away, and
it immediately took off. They didn't have to do any
clever marketing strategy with making it exclusive or anything like that.
And I think it was particularly attractive to journalists because
journalists love receiving information and small little in small little bites,
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you know, journals always on deadline. They have to just
get the most important facts and put it into their articles.
They want things as brief as possible, so it instantly
became the platform for journalists.
Speaker 1 (26:01):
Journalists love the tool. It gave quick insight, story ideas
from the ground, and it came in short bursts. Twitter
became the media industry's de facto dashboard. But what the
media didn't realize at the time was that this new
tool was going to challenge its gatekeeping status. Perhaps the
first red flag displaying the power of Twitter came along
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in twenty eleven. We've told the following story in detail
in a previous episode, but it's worth telling an abridged
version again here because it's crucial and understanding Twitter's evolution.
Speaker 2 (26:34):
It was a Friday night, the beginning of Memorial Day weekend,
when rumors began swirling that a rising Democrat politician had
tweeted out a lude image to an attractive young woman,
a young woman that was not his wife. Descriptions of
the alleged tweet seemed designed for the tabloids.
Speaker 9 (26:52):
Anthony Wiener, the congressman, had texted a picture of gray
jockey shorts with a prominent bulge in them.
Speaker 13 (27:01):
He had tweeted that.
Speaker 9 (27:03):
Out and then immediately deleted it. An announced that he
was hacked.
Speaker 2 (27:07):
That's Alex Marlow. At the time, he was part of
a team of rebel journalist led by new media pioneer
Andrew Breitbart. By twenty eleven, Andrew Breitbart had become a
Jedi master of the Twitter verse, and everyone in the
grassroots conservative movement knew.
Speaker 9 (27:23):
It, and people were sending Andrew screen caps and saying
this really happened, though it had been deleted from the
Internet and things weren't captured quite as easily at the time,
so we weren't one hundred percent sure if it was
real because it was gone and it was hard to
check right away had this been tweeted, because Twitter was
not as big as it is it is now.
Speaker 2 (27:49):
But this story, this lewd tweet from a congressman, sounded
like a sex scandal, and that wasn't something that the
team at Breitbart covered. However, there was one loose thread
in the whole affair that caught Alex's eye.
Speaker 9 (28:02):
But there was some thing that we all started to
fixate on, and I was very vocal about this that
him tweeting that he was hacked was a massive problem
because if a hacker is hacking into accounts of United
States Congress people and tweeting porn or soft porn, light porn,
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everyone want to call it tweeting pictures of genitals. That
is a story. That is not a sex story. That
is a cybersecurity story. Now, and Wiener really backed himself
into a corner with that tweet. If he had not
tweeted that he had been hacked, who knows what would
have happened. That was ultimately the tweet that made sure
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that we went forward with the story that night, and
so we published. Now.
Speaker 2 (28:53):
At the time, the mainstream media had a long established
strategy on dealing with salacious stories about democrats. They just
ignore them. But with the rise of new media and
now Twitter, they had to design a new tactic again,
Alex Marlow.
Speaker 9 (29:07):
They started to attack Andrew, which was their playbook. They
started to attack Breitbart, which is their playbook.
Speaker 10 (29:13):
The person who reported it, Andrew Breitbart, has a history
of taking Democrats out of context and smearing them.
Speaker 17 (29:19):
I think we do need to point out that the
person behind this is Andrew Breitbart, who has made a
practice of targeting democrats, and his stories tend to fall
apart on close inspection.
Speaker 11 (29:30):
It is a right wing blogger who was pushing this
in a pretty unreliable one of that which you know
Mama always said, consider the source.
Speaker 15 (29:37):
Look, Breitbart is a proven liar.
Speaker 14 (29:39):
Okay, he doctor the Shirley Sharad tapes.
Speaker 7 (29:42):
He's done this over and over again.
Speaker 14 (29:43):
Why would anybody take this fool seriously?
Speaker 9 (29:46):
And they start shooting the messenger and acting as though
Wiener is the victim of all this.
Speaker 11 (29:53):
I'm inclined to give him the benefit of the doubt
because this originated with Andrew Breitbart.
Speaker 17 (29:57):
What Andrew Breitbart was insinuating about him with young girls
and stuff is outrageous, and frankly, it's too bad that
he got to say that stuff on CNN. Look, this
is a lighthearted story. This is a silly little thing
that happened. It's not a big deal.
Speaker 2 (30:13):
The legacy media carpet bombed the news airwaves with the
tax on Andrew Breitbart, his character, and his conservative leaning
news operation. But after a few days of the story
trending on Twitter, the media could no longer ignore it.
This was Congressman Anthony Wiener, husband to Huma Aberdeen, Hillary
Clinton's top confidant. Their marriage was even officiated by former
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President Bill Clinton. If the sitting congressman was hacked, the
media had to, at the very least feign interest, So
a few enterprising journalists decided to press Congressman Wiener on
his claims.
Speaker 3 (30:48):
Is that picture of you?
Speaker 8 (30:50):
You know?
Speaker 11 (30:50):
Look, I'm not going to talk about this anymore.
Speaker 3 (30:52):
Why did you hire a lawyer? Why not let law
enforcement just handle this now?
Speaker 11 (30:56):
Put out a couple of statements over the last couple
of days. I would refer you to those to answer
these questions. And I understand you're doing your job, but
I'm going to go.
Speaker 12 (31:03):
Back to work now.
Speaker 7 (31:04):
Can you say, though, if you're concerned about if there's
hacking going on with members of Congress? I mean that's
a serious thing.
Speaker 8 (31:09):
I mean, aren't you concerned if somebody's looking at your
sensitive information.
Speaker 11 (31:12):
I'm going to return to working on the things I
care about. You know, I participated in the story a
couple of days now, given comments on it. This is
a distraction and I'm not going to let it distract me.
Speaker 2 (31:23):
Anyone watching the exchange could see that Congressman Wiener was deflecting,
deflecting on two simple questions. Were the pictures of him?
And why hadn't he contacted Capitol police to investigate the
hacking of his Twitter account. The scandal came to be
known as hashtag wiener Gate. The hashtag was exploding on Twitter,
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CNN could no longer avoid the story.
Speaker 12 (31:47):
Tory the questions Democratic Congressman Anthony Wiinner is refusing to
answer about elude photographs and from his Twitter account to
a twenty z one year old college student. Conservative blogger
Andrew Breitbard broke the story on Friday, and the next
day Winner's office released his statement saying the congressman Twitter
account had been hacked? Is the victim of a prank?
Speaker 2 (32:04):
CNN sent out a few reporters to press the congressman
on the issue.
Speaker 3 (32:08):
You say that you were hacked, which is potentially a crime.
Speaker 11 (32:11):
So why haven't you asked the Capitol Police or any
law enforcement to investigate? But this was a prank that
I've now been talking about for a couple of days.
I'm not going to allow it to decide what I
talk about for the next week or the next two weeks,
and so I'm not going to be giving anything more
about that today.
Speaker 3 (32:29):
I think I've been pretty.
Speaker 16 (32:29):
Responsive to you on the path you want to answering the questions,
Can you just say why you haven't asked law enforcement.
Speaker 3 (32:34):
To investigate what you are a legings.
Speaker 11 (32:36):
A you know, Dana. If I was giving a speech
to forty five thousand people and someone in the back
of the room threw a pie or yelled out an insult,
would I spend the next two hours responding to that?
Speaker 10 (32:49):
No, I would get back.
Speaker 11 (32:51):
I would get back that I would this is not
that situation.
Speaker 3 (32:55):
Would I wouldn't get back?
Speaker 14 (32:56):
Well, why don't you do what you want to do?
Speaker 7 (32:57):
The brief you were had?
Speaker 8 (32:58):
Do you you want to do the briefing?
Speaker 7 (33:00):
Sir?
Speaker 8 (33:00):
From your Twitter account, a mood photograph was sent to
the allege students.
Speaker 14 (33:04):
Sir, answer the question was it from you were prevented permitted?
Speaker 11 (33:09):
Do you guys want me to finish my answer?
Speaker 17 (33:11):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (33:11):
This what this answered?
Speaker 11 (33:13):
Did you send it or not? If I were giving
a speech to forty five thousand people and someone in
the back through a pie or yelled at an insult,
I would not spend the next two hours of my
speech responding to that pie or that insult.
Speaker 15 (33:29):
I would return to the things.
Speaker 11 (33:30):
That I want to talk about to the audience that
I wanted to all you have to do the same note,
and that is what I intend to do this.
Speaker 2 (33:38):
It was becoming glaringly obvious that Anthony Wiener was not
telling the whole truth. Even the liberal late night host
could see it.
Speaker 12 (33:46):
Four days ago, Representative Wiener's Twitter account sent a twit
pick to a female college student over the Twitter.
Speaker 16 (33:54):
Now, I'm gonna show you the photo right now, Yoosa,
how to even tweet that thing?
Speaker 15 (34:01):
That is at least one hundred fifty characters.
Speaker 2 (34:05):
While Weiener was finally being pressed by the media, Andrew
Breitbart and his team were working on a lead. A
different woman had sent a tip to his news organization
claiming the congressman had sent her salacious pictures as well.
Exactly one week after Wiener get kicked off, they tracked
the Texas woman down. Shortly after talking to Andrew, she
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sent him pictures that Congressman Weener forwarded to her, and
this time the images included Anthony's face within the frame
of the photo. Weiener was toast. Andrew made his way
to New York City to answer the swarm of media
requests from this firestorm, and while he was en route,
Breitbart News began slowly publishing the pictures, dripping them out
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one by one. Andrew essentially wanted Anthony Weener to admit
that Breitbart were not the hackers. The congressmen could no
longer claim ignorance. Breibart News had the goods. When Andrew
landed in New York City, he caught word that Anthony
Weiener had announced a last minute press conference, so instinctively,
Andrew began walking to the Sheraton. He arrived to a
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hall packed with journalists waiting for Anthony Wiener to step
to the podium. He stood quietly in the back of
the room, and what happened next would go down in
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So Andrew Breitbart and his team of rebel journalists were
being accused by Anthony Wiener and the media of hacking
the congressman's account. Andrew dug into the story and found
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another woman who'd received lewd pictures from Congressman Wiener as well,
so to get him to admit that team Breitbart were
not the hackers, Andrew slowly began publishing the photos. When
Andrew landed in New York City to deal with the
media firestorm, he learned that Anthony Wiener had called a
press conference at the Sheraton, so Andrew made his way
(36:16):
to the event. He quietly stood in the back of
the room, but to his surprise, a reporter waved him
up to the stage. The entire country had been captivated
by Wienergate, so every significant media outlet in America was
in the room. As word was spread across Twitter that
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Anthony Wiener was about to make an announcement, people began
turning their TV dials to their trusted news stations, and
what happened next went down in media history.
Speaker 16 (36:49):
I'm Andrew Breibart. By the way, we reported this at
Big Government and Big.
Speaker 9 (36:54):
Journalism again Alex Marlow, and somehow Andrew got himself onto
Wiener's podium and started to take questions from the media.
Speaker 16 (37:05):
Why did you put this on.
Speaker 9 (37:07):
The web in the first place? What were you trying
to achieve?
Speaker 16 (37:09):
Well, it's clearly a news story. Why are you trying
to challenge in the news story? Look, we received a
tweet that came from his official Twitter page, sent out
to a woman in Seattle. We did not go with
the story until after we saw that the that the
congressman took down all of his photos, and the woman
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in Seattle took down her Facebook account and her Twitter account,
and even worse, he went to his Twitter page to
claim that he was hacked. We only wrote the story
after a sitting congressman claimed that his computer system had
been invaded by a hack. I've seen a lot of
this congressman's body, and he's a very good shape, and
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it appears to be his body.
Speaker 2 (37:55):
Moments later, Anthony Weiner made his way to the.
Speaker 11 (37:58):
Stage last Friday night, I tweeted a photograph of myself
that I intend to send us a direct message as
part of a joke to a woman in Seattle. Once
I realized I had posted to Twitter, I panicked. I
took it down and said that I had been hacked.
I then continued with that story. To stick to that story,
which was a usually regrettable mistake.
Speaker 2 (38:18):
The congressman hoped the story would die down. It wouldn't.
The wiener gate hashtag continued to trend on Twitter. The
media had lost control of the narrative and now had
to continue to press the politician. On May sixteenth, twenty eleven,
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just a week and a half after his admission, Anthony
Wiener called another press conference.
Speaker 11 (38:45):
I had hoped to be able to continue the work
that the citizens of my district elected me to do,
to fight for the middle class and those struggling to
make it. Unfortunately, the distraction that I have created has
made that impossible. So today I am announcing my resignation
from Congress.
Speaker 2 (39:05):
Andrew Breitbart and his team of conservative journalists had taken
out one of the Democrat Party's most beloved congressmen, and
they did it using Twitter.
Speaker 1 (39:21):
The whole affair would have massive implications, implications that would
be revealed in due time. Conservatives were quietly becoming experts
at using this new social media tool in a way
that allowed them to bypass the legacy media gatekeepers and
force inconvenient stories into the mainstream consciousness. It was not
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a widely acknowledged phenomenon at the time, but some began
to pick up on the idea that Twitter was a threat.
Speaker 14 (39:49):
When they write about this, thousands and thousands and thousands
of years from now, Twitter will be the indicator that
it was the beginning of the end of civilization.
Speaker 1 (39:56):
By the end of Wienergate, Twitter management had already gone
through major turmoil. Jack Dorsey had been forced out as
CEO and was in the largely figurehead position of chairman.
The new CEO, Dick Costello, underscored Twitter's company ethos at
a tech conference.
Speaker 8 (40:12):
You know, one of the things our general counsel always says,
and he says it proudly, and I agree with.
Speaker 7 (40:17):
Him, is were the free speech wing of the free
speech Party.
Speaker 1 (40:20):
At the time, there was nothing controversial about the statement.
It didn't raise the ire of anyone in media. People
hadn't fully processed what Wienergate exposed. But in time, Twitter's
free speech ethos would oddly become polarizing, and the years
that followed, a few disruptive right wing figures would adopt
Twitter as their megaphone. They'd become extraordinarily effective at using
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the platform, so much so that it became apparent that
the media was losing its grip on the narrative and
they'd have to do something about it.
Speaker 2 (40:52):
Coming up on red Pilled America.
Speaker 11 (40:54):
I've been pretty mean through the years on Twitter, but
I don't think that's the reason to eximize somebody from
the platform, and.
Speaker 15 (40:59):
I think that was one of the very earliest things
that thought it a push Twitter in the direction of censorship.
Speaker 8 (41:04):
And then Twitter just locked our account and they locked
it for the next two weeks and we only got
it back just before the election.
Speaker 2 (41:10):
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There's something about Elon Musk owning Twitter that's driving the
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media bonkers. His pledge to restore free speech to the
platform has the so called free speech industry flipping out.
Speaker 3 (01:31):
Elon Musk has never been an advocate for free speech.
Speaker 4 (01:34):
He's an advocate for speech without consequences.
Speaker 5 (01:37):
And when he's asked whether he's a free speech absolutist
and he says yes, I guess what does that mean?
Speaker 4 (01:43):
When Elon Musk says, wow, this is about free speech,
it seems to me that it's about free speech of
straight white men.
Speaker 6 (01:52):
If you can invite it to something where there is
total freedom for everybody, do you actually want to go
to that party?
Speaker 1 (01:58):
All their whining got us thinking, why does a free
speech Twitter scare them?
Speaker 2 (02:06):
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Welcome to red Pilled America.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
It was December two thousand and six, a cold but
sunny San Francisco day, when the founders of a scrappy
social media startup sat down for one of their first interviews.
Speaker 7 (03:00):
And today we're in the office of Twitter.
Speaker 8 (03:01):
Yes we are, and please introduce to yourself. I'm Biz Stone,
Jack Dorsey, Evan Williams.
Speaker 1 (03:08):
Jack Dorsey was in a T shirt and jeans. His
du co founders weren't buttoned up either. Their office was
in a Bay Area borough called South Park, not the
Comedy Central show, but it might as well have been,
because the trio were in a process of making a
community that would become just as politically incorrect as the
Cartoon City, maybe even more so. All three had something
(03:29):
to say about their new creation, but Jack Dorsey, the
guy who came up with the idea, appeared to be
the lead spokesman for the project. He was the soul
of the startup.
Speaker 9 (03:39):
Well, can you tell us what Twitter is, because some
people who are watching may not even know what Twitter is.
Speaker 1 (03:43):
Absolutely no.
Speaker 8 (03:44):
Twitter is a way to keep connected with your friends.
It's basically mini blogging. It's a very low barrier to
entry way to blog what you're thinking about. And how
does it differ from a traditional blog or how's it similar.
We have some different input methods, the major one being
the phone. The other major constraint is we limit everything
tow one hundred and sixty characters. So these are very short,
(04:06):
focused updates and they're usually personal, and they're usually about
just random things you're doing during the day instead of
being a very composed article or you know, a normal
blog post. But it's also about receiving what your friends
are doing right now, which is the other side of it.
Speaker 7 (04:21):
So we forgot to ask what is the origin of
the name twitter?
Speaker 8 (04:25):
If you look it up in the dictionary, it's actually
the just short burst of activity and it's something that
birds to It's just like chirping. So we felt that
it fit fit our application perfectly because we limit each
update to one hundred and sixty characters. They're short, they're rapid,
and they come all the time.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
They were just a few months old, very few people
outside of the company were using the site.
Speaker 8 (04:49):
So we're looking at my Twitter account and I have
ninety followers at the moment, so ninety people are watching
what I'm doing and getting that update on their phone
or on their i AM client, and I have customized
my account with this pretty red maroon background. We allow
our users to just customize in simple way background image.
(05:12):
They can tilt, they can change the color of the links,
they can change the sidebar color, and that's about it.
Speaker 1 (05:20):
In those early days, Jack Dorsey had a very lazy
fair approach to moderation. In his view, the community would
self regulate.
Speaker 10 (05:27):
I have been threatened though, because it's so easy to use.
Speaker 2 (05:32):
So what is your recommendation for that?
Speaker 8 (05:35):
Like, you know, is there an keep question?
Speaker 11 (05:38):
How to newbies who are who are who have a
d D use this product?
Speaker 8 (05:43):
Probably seems so it's like so it's just in my
i AM you know right there, So I'm just.
Speaker 6 (05:48):
Like, oh, go to get coffee in my kitchen or
you know, like what's the I.
Speaker 8 (05:52):
Think We've been finding that socially it works itself out,
Like your friends are going to they're going to stop following,
turning off off.
Speaker 1 (06:01):
Yeah, there was no heavy hand and no kicking people
off for saying too much. People would simply unfollow undesirable accounts.
When it went live nine months earlier in March two
thousand and six, Twitter was behind in the social media game.
My Space was the reigning king of socials. Facebook had
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launched over two years earlier and was nipping at my
Space's heels. Yet, Jack still had big hopes for his
simple social media site, but in hearing him speak in
those early days, it appeared that he didn't fully grasp
what he'd built. Jack Dorsey and his co founders had
created one of the most disruptive communication tools in modern history.
Speaker 12 (06:46):
I Twitter a lost her.
Speaker 8 (06:49):
Okay, it's great.
Speaker 5 (06:50):
Okay, Hi, It's Friday Live and I'm on Twitter for
the first time.
Speaker 13 (06:53):
I am going to make history here as the first
president to live tweet.
Speaker 14 (06:58):
We're very excited because we've taken up the Twitter here
on the Late Show and it's fantastic.
Speaker 5 (07:03):
Merril, here's my idea. Okay, so you are nominated. It's
a record breaking eighteen times, right, So I thought we
would try to break another record right now with the
most retweets of a photo.
Speaker 14 (07:13):
Well, I wanted to save my first tweet for the
world's first reusable rocket.
Speaker 5 (07:17):
Kim Kardashian tweeting what color is that dress?
Speaker 3 (07:20):
Icee white and gold?
Speaker 11 (07:21):
Kanye sees black and blue?
Speaker 5 (07:22):
Who's colorblinde?
Speaker 10 (07:23):
This all started with a single tweet that was posted
by Vanity Fair magazine, and as you see it here,
there's the picture. It shows Caitlin, who was formerly known
as Bruce Jenner, on the cover of the July issue.
I tweeted today at real Donald Trump by tweet you
know it sounds though, Don't worry.
Speaker 1 (07:39):
I'll give it up after imp President, we want a
ride up. This means that Donald Trump will be the
forty fifth president of the United States.
Speaker 15 (07:48):
Let me tell you about tweeted.
Speaker 14 (07:49):
I think that maybe I wouldn't be here if it
wasn't for Twitter, because I get such a fake press,
such a dishonest press.
Speaker 16 (07:55):
Creating a backlash on Twitter pictures in video depicting comedian
Kathy Griffin holding the bloody, decapitated head of press.
Speaker 10 (08:03):
Trump, but the hashtag me too has already been tweeted
nearly half a million times.
Speaker 6 (08:07):
ABC is just as yared a stunning statement Wolf that
says the show has been canceled I'll read you the
two sentence statement Roseanne's Twitter statement, these racist remarks earlier
in the day are abhorrent, repugnant, and inconsistent with our values.
And then we have decided to cancel her show.
Speaker 3 (08:22):
I thought that was.
Speaker 7 (08:24):
Why Twitter trying to kill reports into linked the emails
that were found apparently on the abandoned computer of Hunt
to Biden. When you're trying to click on to that story,
the initial story in the New York Post on these emails,
Twitter said no, you can't, it's unsafe, and it banned
you from retweeting links to it as well, and it
locked even the New York Post's own Twitter account.
Speaker 4 (08:47):
Twitter is meddling in the twenty twenty election.
Speaker 5 (08:51):
That's the only way.
Speaker 3 (08:52):
Of putting it.
Speaker 4 (08:52):
Tonight, a deafening silence from the President's Twitter account in
his waiting days as commander in chief, Twitter, run by
CEO Jack Dorsey, saying after close review of the President's
recent tweets, it banned him due to the risk of
further incitement of violence.
Speaker 1 (09:14):
Twitter has launched massive social movements, exposed frauds, helped exonerate
the innocent, ended political dynasties, and some believe it even
meddled in an election. Jack Dorsey's creation has become one
of the most powerful communication tools in America. But it
really begs the question what is this social media platform?
Because it sure isn't just a microblogging site, as its
(09:37):
founders initially described.
Speaker 2 (09:39):
To fully grasp what Twitter would become, you really need
to understand how the site got its start and how
the soul of the company, Jack Dorsey, seemed to stumble
into building a revolution in media. We reached out to
Jack Dorsey to be interviewed for this story. He didn't respond,
but we've pieced together his story from the many interviews
(09:59):
and speeches he's given throughout the years. I grew up
in Saint Louis, Missouri, and fell in love with the.
Speaker 8 (10:06):
City, and my parents always stayed in the city. They
never moved out to the suburbs. There were true believers
in the city, and Saint Louis was one of the
hardest hit cities in America apart from Detroit in the
Great Flight to the suburbs in the forties and fifties
in the sixties, So when I was growing up, I
was surrounded by this urban atmosphere and I just loved it.
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My first love, I think, was the city and was
walking around downtown Saint Louis, and it was fairly desolate
when I was growing up, but it was still a
joy and a wonder to me.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
To add to his urban love affair, at a young age,
Jack developed an enthusiasm for computer programming. He'd eventually marry
his two passions by writing programs that could draw city
maps on a screen.
Speaker 8 (10:55):
And then I put some dots on the map, and
then I learned how to move the dots around. And
then the next challenge was to figure out how to
keep the dots on the streets because they're kind of
going all over the place. And then they had all
these dots moving around this beautiful picture of this map
which represented downtown Saint Louis and then later represented New
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York City, which I was amazed by. And the issue
was that none of the dots had any meaning whatsoever.
They're just random dots moving around this city.
Speaker 2 (11:27):
His parents had a c BE in a police scanner.
Jack was mesmerized by these two communication tools because ambulances
and fire trucks and police cars and taxi drivers were
constantly reporting where they were. So he figured out a
way to take that information and input it into a
program he'd written to have the dots on the map
move with real life meaning.
Speaker 8 (11:52):
And I found all these open databases of this information.
This A lot of this was after the fact, but
it was still interesting to watch and to see unfold.
So now I had this picture of real live data
of a real live city operating in front of me,
and I just thought it was the most beautiful thing
ever that I could visualize a city living and breathing.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
He learned that there was a company that created the
same kind of software. It was called Dispatch.
Speaker 8 (12:18):
So I went to University of Mersi, Rala initially, and
I was deciding between political science at the time in
computer science because I've always been fascinated by cities and
at some point want to maybe potentially go into government.
Still not quite sure if I have more effect there
or more effect in programming.
Speaker 2 (12:36):
Then he came to a realization writing government policy and
writing computer programs were very similar. Both could get people
to react, they could affect behavior, but.
Speaker 8 (12:47):
The difference is the timescal So I could write a
policy as as a senator or as a mayor, and
I could see the effect. Maybe in eight years but
I could write that same policy and write a simulator
around it and write populations around it, and I could
see that effect instantly with the computer. So I went
down the computer science track and all that time I
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was building this dispatch system because I was just fascinated
by these cities and the visualizations.
Speaker 2 (13:13):
He enjoyed the work, but it was lacking in one thing, humans,
but it.
Speaker 8 (13:18):
Was all verticals. There were no people in it, where
all the people in the city.
Speaker 2 (13:26):
The city visualizations showed objects moving around. But he wanted
to be able to map and maybe even impact people's movement.
Speaker 8 (13:35):
And that's when I started working on a very very
simple prototype based on some inspiration from instant Messenger and
also a service called live journal, which was a very
simple journal blogging application that allowed you to compose a
blog post and it would go to a friend's page.
And I also had the first BlackBerry because I was
still working in dispatch at the time. It was called
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the RIM eight point fifty and it was basically just
an email pager. But what it allowed is I could
be anywhere in the world, anywhere in the city, and
I could share what I was doing, and maybe I
could also see what other people were doing. So I
wrote some very simple software to receive an email from
my BlackBerry and then send it out to an email
list of some people I put on that list, and
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I got that done in about a day. And then
I went out to Golden Gate Park and I went
to the bison paddock, and I typed out an email
that said I'm at Golden Gate Park watching the bison.
And I went out to my service and was broadcast
out to all these people. And I immediately recognized two things. First,
no one cared what I was doing. And second, no
one else had a BlackBerry, so I was alone in
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my sharing and also receiving, so I was getting no
information back. So wrong time, good idea. Put it on
the shelf.
Speaker 2 (14:52):
Jack continued working for the Dispatch company writing visualization programs,
then went on to work random contract jobs until two
thousand and five when he found a company called Odio.
Odio was a tool that helped people create, record, and
share the newest thing in media at the time, podcast
The small but growing community of audio podcasts had no
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industry leader. Odio was looking to be that.
Speaker 8 (15:17):
I had no interest in podcasting whatsoever, but I was
a really good programmer and I wanted to understand the
consumer side of the Internet.
Speaker 2 (15:29):
The problem was that Odio was about to meet one
of the biggest tech juggernauts that has ever existed, and
it was an encounter that their podcasting software wouldn't survive.
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Speaker 2 (16:55):
Welcome back to red Pilled America. So in two thousand
and five, Jack Dorsey went to work for a small
podcasting outfit called Odeo. The company helped people create, record,
and share a new fangled thing called podcast The problem
was that Odeo was about to meet one of the
biggest tech juggernauts that has ever existed, and it was
an encounter that their podcasting software wouldn't survive.
Speaker 13 (17:22):
How many of you here use an iPod?
Speaker 1 (17:26):
That's Apple founder Steve Jobs at a two thousand and
five conference called all Things Digital.
Speaker 13 (17:31):
How many have you heard of podcasting? So let me
start at the beginning and tell you what it's all about.
Podcasting is a word that's concatenation of iPod and broadcasting.
Right put together, podcasting and what podcasting is. It's started
off as Wayne's World for radio. Think about that way
right where you've got anybody could make a radio show
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and put it on the Internet and broadcast it out there.
Anybody else could listen to it. And then what you
could do is, because people like to put out multiple
episod the radio show, you could subscribe to a radio
show and every time it's updated, you'll get the update
right on your computer and it'll go into your iPod
when you sink your iPod.
Speaker 6 (18:12):
Right.
Speaker 13 (18:12):
Pretty cool. What's happened since is that it's not just
the Wayne's World of radio, but real radio is jumping
onto this and there's over eight thousand podcasts today. It's
kind of interesting. There's no FCC regulation because you're not
using spectrum, you're using the Internet, so that makes it
very simple. It's worldwide. You put your radio show out
there and anyone in the world can listen to this.
(18:34):
And if you Google podcast, six point two million entries
in Google and podcasting, which is kind of fun. So again,
it's sort of like Tbow for radio for your iPod.
So let me show you what it's like. This is
the next release of iTunes called Release four point nine,
and I'm just going to run it right now. And
what we can do is we go to the music
store and there's a little thing called podcasts right here.
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You click that and we've got a page full of
podcasts right here.
Speaker 1 (18:58):
Steve Jobs effectively legitimize the new media form, and with
the entry into the podcasting business, Apple left Odio without
a sustainable business model. The company had to think of
something else quickly. So Odio turned to its employees, including
Jack Dorsey.
Speaker 8 (19:16):
And we were given the assignment of come up with
an idea of something you'd like to work on. And
the first thing that came to my mind was this
idea back in two thousand but now in two thousand
and five, two thousand and six, we had SMS.
Speaker 1 (19:30):
We know of SMS today as texting.
Speaker 8 (19:33):
I could actually send an SMS message from Singular to Horizon.
That was that was very, very new to the United States,
and I was in love with the technology. It's you know,
it degrades gracefully to every single device, even the cheapest devices,
and it has this beautiful constraint of one hundred and
sixty characters, and it doesn't really work all the time,
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and it's really rough around the edges. I love stuff
like that. So I brought up this idea, what if
we could just use SMS. You could send what you're doing.
They would go out in real time to all the
people who are interested in hearing it, and then it
would be archived on the web. You could also enter
it from the web and it would be device agnostic.
It and be a whole thing. It'd be awesome. And
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my two other people in the park were on a
playground said it was a good idea, and we presented
to the company and it took about a week, but
then the company finally got behind it, and I was
given two weeks, one other programmer and viz Stone to
write the software and end and we did it. And
at the end of that two weeks, I wrote the
first tweet, which was inviting coworkers, and then all the
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audio coworkers came on. They loved it.
Speaker 1 (20:45):
For the first few months, the Twitter team tinkered away
with the platform, making modifications, then seeing how the small
group of users reacted. They'd make seemingly little, inane personal
updates about their day, where they were, what they were doing.
It was fun, even addictive. But it wasn't until once
summer night that the true potential of Twitter was revealed.
Speaker 2 (21:08):
On the evening of August two, two thousand and six,
a small four point five magnitude earthquake, centered about fifty
miles north of San Francisco lightly shook the Bay area.
Twitter co founder Eb Williams immediately took to his Twitter
account and posted did anyone just feel that earthquake? A
minute later, Jack Dorsey joined in, posting just felt that earthquake?
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No one else here did. It may have seemed like
a small, unimportant event, especially to Californians who are used
to far worse tremors, but in hindsight, it was a
truly earth shattering moment. Twitter was being used to give
first hand eyewitness accounts of what was happening on the ground.
The team had accidentally stumbled onto the true power of
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their tool. It could be a news gathering and spreading
tool that could operate far faster than the legacy media
and without their filter.
Speaker 1 (22:06):
By early two thousand and seven, the same company that
wiped out their original podcasting project came up with another
innovation that would catapult Twitter's popularity.
Speaker 13 (22:15):
This is a day I've been looking forward to for
two and a half years. Every once in a while,
a revolutionary product comes along that changes everything. Apple's been
very fortunate. It's been able to introduce a few of
these into the world. Nineteen eighty four, we introduced the Macintosh.
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It didn't just change Apple, it changed the whole computer industry.
In two thousand and one, we introduced the first iPod,
and it didn't just It didn't just change the way
we all listen to music, it changed the entire music industry. Well,
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today we're introducing three revolutionary products of this class. The
first one is a widescreen iPod with touch controls, second
is a revolutionary mobile phone, and the third is a
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breakthrough Internet communications device. So three things, a wide screen
iPod with touch controls, a revolutionary mobile phone, and a
breakthrough Internet communications device an iPod, a phone, and an
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Internet communicator an iPod a phone.
Speaker 14 (23:59):
Are you getting it?
Speaker 13 (24:04):
These are not three separate devices.
Speaker 16 (24:08):
This is one device.
Speaker 13 (24:14):
And we are calling it iPhone. Today Apple is going
to reinvent the phone.
Speaker 1 (24:29):
And Apple did just that, but it also helped launch
a thousand new services that would sit on the iPhone platform,
one of them being Twitter. When the iPhone launched, Twitter
was there to piggyback on its success.
Speaker 15 (24:42):
Twitter was one of the more interesting of the big platforms,
I think because it's really a platform that succeeded because
of the concept and the technology more than the marketing.
Speaker 1 (24:52):
That's Alan Baccari, who investigates big tech for Breitbart News.
He's also the author of Deleted, Big Tech's Battle to
erase the Trump Movement and steal the election.
Speaker 15 (25:03):
So to contrast it with Facebook, Facebook had a really
clever marketing strategy of going campus by campus and making
it exclusive. It started off as a Harvard only thing,
then it expanded to other campuses, and that slowly built
hype over time. Every college campus is wondering when Facebook
would come to it next. Twitter didn't do that. What
they had was a very interesting concept. We're going to
limit people to one hundred and forty characters, and we're
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going to see what people do with that. And that
concept that just became very very addictive right away, and
it immediately took off. They didn't have to do any
clever marketing strategy with making it exclusive or anything like that.
And I think it was particularly attractive to journalists because
journalists love receiving information and small little in small little bites,
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you know, journals always on deadline. They have to just
get the most important facts and put it into their articles.
They want things as brief as possible, so it instantly
became the platform for journalists.
Speaker 1 (26:01):
Journalists love the tool. It gave quick insight, story ideas
from the ground, and it came in short bursts. Twitter
became the media industry's de facto dashboard. But what the
media didn't realize at the time was that this new
tool was going to challenge its gatekeeping status. Perhaps the
first red flag displaying the power of Twitter came along
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in twenty eleven. We've told the following story in detail
in a previous episode, but it's worth telling an abridged
version again here because it's crucial and understanding Twitter's evolution.
Speaker 2 (26:34):
It was a Friday night, the beginning of Memorial Day weekend,
when rumors began swirling that a rising Democrat politician had
tweeted out a lude image to an attractive young woman,
a young woman that was not his wife. Descriptions of
the alleged tweet seemed designed for the tabloids.
Speaker 9 (26:52):
Anthony Wiener, the congressman, had texted a picture of gray
jockey shorts with a prominent bulge in them.
Speaker 13 (27:01):
He had tweeted that.
Speaker 9 (27:03):
Out and then immediately deleted it. An announced that he
was hacked.
Speaker 2 (27:07):
That's Alex Marlow. At the time, he was part of
a team of rebel journalist led by new media pioneer
Andrew Breitbart. By twenty eleven, Andrew Breitbart had become a
Jedi master of the Twitter verse, and everyone in the
grassroots conservative movement knew.
Speaker 9 (27:23):
It, and people were sending Andrew screen caps and saying
this really happened, though it had been deleted from the
Internet and things weren't captured quite as easily at the time,
so we weren't one hundred percent sure if it was
real because it was gone and it was hard to
check right away had this been tweeted, because Twitter was
not as big as it is it is now.
Speaker 2 (27:49):
But this story, this lewd tweet from a congressman, sounded
like a sex scandal, and that wasn't something that the
team at Breitbart covered. However, there was one loose thread
in the whole affair that caught Alex's eye.
Speaker 9 (28:02):
But there was some thing that we all started to
fixate on, and I was very vocal about this that
him tweeting that he was hacked was a massive problem
because if a hacker is hacking into accounts of United
States Congress people and tweeting porn or soft porn, light porn,
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everyone want to call it tweeting pictures of genitals. That
is a story. That is not a sex story. That
is a cybersecurity story. Now, and Wiener really backed himself
into a corner with that tweet. If he had not
tweeted that he had been hacked, who knows what would
have happened. That was ultimately the tweet that made sure
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that we went forward with the story that night, and
so we published. Now.
Speaker 2 (28:53):
At the time, the mainstream media had a long established
strategy on dealing with salacious stories about democrats. They just
ignore them. But with the rise of new media and
now Twitter, they had to design a new tactic again,
Alex Marlow.
Speaker 9 (29:07):
They started to attack Andrew, which was their playbook. They
started to attack Breitbart, which is their playbook.
Speaker 10 (29:13):
The person who reported it, Andrew Breitbart, has a history
of taking Democrats out of context and smearing them.
Speaker 17 (29:19):
I think we do need to point out that the
person behind this is Andrew Breitbart, who has made a
practice of targeting democrats, and his stories tend to fall
apart on close inspection.
Speaker 11 (29:30):
It is a right wing blogger who was pushing this
in a pretty unreliable one of that which you know
Mama always said, consider the source.
Speaker 15 (29:37):
Look, Breitbart is a proven liar.
Speaker 14 (29:39):
Okay, he doctor the Shirley Sharad tapes.
Speaker 7 (29:42):
He's done this over and over again.
Speaker 14 (29:43):
Why would anybody take this fool seriously?
Speaker 9 (29:46):
And they start shooting the messenger and acting as though
Wiener is the victim of all this.
Speaker 11 (29:53):
I'm inclined to give him the benefit of the doubt
because this originated with Andrew Breitbart.
Speaker 17 (29:57):
What Andrew Breitbart was insinuating about him with young girls
and stuff is outrageous, and frankly, it's too bad that
he got to say that stuff on CNN. Look, this
is a lighthearted story. This is a silly little thing
that happened. It's not a big deal.
Speaker 2 (30:13):
The legacy media carpet bombed the news airwaves with the
tax on Andrew Breitbart, his character, and his conservative leaning
news operation. But after a few days of the story
trending on Twitter, the media could no longer ignore it.
This was Congressman Anthony Wiener, husband to Huma Aberdeen, Hillary
Clinton's top confidant. Their marriage was even officiated by former
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President Bill Clinton. If the sitting congressman was hacked, the
media had to, at the very least feign interest, So
a few enterprising journalists decided to press Congressman Wiener on
his claims.
Speaker 3 (30:48):
Is that picture of you?
Speaker 8 (30:50):
You know?
Speaker 11 (30:50):
Look, I'm not going to talk about this anymore.
Speaker 3 (30:52):
Why did you hire a lawyer? Why not let law
enforcement just handle this now?
Speaker 11 (30:56):
Put out a couple of statements over the last couple
of days. I would refer you to those to answer
these questions. And I understand you're doing your job, but
I'm going to go.
Speaker 12 (31:03):
Back to work now.
Speaker 7 (31:04):
Can you say, though, if you're concerned about if there's
hacking going on with members of Congress? I mean that's
a serious thing.
Speaker 8 (31:09):
I mean, aren't you concerned if somebody's looking at your
sensitive information.
Speaker 11 (31:12):
I'm going to return to working on the things I
care about. You know, I participated in the story a
couple of days now, given comments on it. This is
a distraction and I'm not going to let it distract me.
Speaker 2 (31:23):
Anyone watching the exchange could see that Congressman Wiener was deflecting,
deflecting on two simple questions. Were the pictures of him?
And why hadn't he contacted Capitol police to investigate the
hacking of his Twitter account. The scandal came to be
known as hashtag wiener Gate. The hashtag was exploding on Twitter,
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CNN could no longer avoid the story.
Speaker 12 (31:47):
Tory the questions Democratic Congressman Anthony Wiinner is refusing to
answer about elude photographs and from his Twitter account to
a twenty z one year old college student. Conservative blogger
Andrew Breitbard broke the story on Friday, and the next
day Winner's office released his statement saying the congressman Twitter
account had been hacked? Is the victim of a prank?
Speaker 2 (32:04):
CNN sent out a few reporters to press the congressman
on the issue.
Speaker 3 (32:08):
You say that you were hacked, which is potentially a crime.
Speaker 11 (32:11):
So why haven't you asked the Capitol Police or any
law enforcement to investigate? But this was a prank that
I've now been talking about for a couple of days.
I'm not going to allow it to decide what I
talk about for the next week or the next two weeks,
and so I'm not going to be giving anything more
about that today.
Speaker 3 (32:29):
I think I've been pretty.
Speaker 16 (32:29):
Responsive to you on the path you want to answering the questions,
Can you just say why you haven't asked law enforcement.
Speaker 3 (32:34):
To investigate what you are a legings.
Speaker 11 (32:36):
A you know, Dana. If I was giving a speech
to forty five thousand people and someone in the back
of the room threw a pie or yelled out an insult,
would I spend the next two hours responding to that?
Speaker 10 (32:49):
No, I would get back.
Speaker 11 (32:51):
I would get back that I would this is not
that situation.
Speaker 3 (32:55):
Would I wouldn't get back?
Speaker 14 (32:56):
Well, why don't you do what you want to do?
Speaker 7 (32:57):
The brief you were had?
Speaker 8 (32:58):
Do you you want to do the briefing?
Speaker 7 (33:00):
Sir?
Speaker 8 (33:00):
From your Twitter account, a mood photograph was sent to
the allege students.
Speaker 14 (33:04):
Sir, answer the question was it from you were prevented permitted?
Speaker 11 (33:09):
Do you guys want me to finish my answer?
Speaker 17 (33:11):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (33:11):
This what this answered?
Speaker 11 (33:13):
Did you send it or not? If I were giving
a speech to forty five thousand people and someone in
the back through a pie or yelled at an insult,
I would not spend the next two hours of my
speech responding to that pie or that insult.
Speaker 15 (33:29):
I would return to the things.
Speaker 11 (33:30):
That I want to talk about to the audience that
I wanted to all you have to do the same note,
and that is what I intend to do this.
Speaker 2 (33:38):
It was becoming glaringly obvious that Anthony Wiener was not
telling the whole truth. Even the liberal late night host
could see it.
Speaker 12 (33:46):
Four days ago, Representative Wiener's Twitter account sent a twit
pick to a female college student over the Twitter.
Speaker 16 (33:54):
Now, I'm gonna show you the photo right now, Yoosa,
how to even tweet that thing?
Speaker 15 (34:01):
That is at least one hundred fifty characters.
Speaker 2 (34:05):
While Weiener was finally being pressed by the media, Andrew
Breitbart and his team were working on a lead. A
different woman had sent a tip to his news organization
claiming the congressman had sent her salacious pictures as well.
Exactly one week after Wiener get kicked off, they tracked
the Texas woman down. Shortly after talking to Andrew, she
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sent him pictures that Congressman Weener forwarded to her, and
this time the images included Anthony's face within the frame
of the photo. Weiener was toast. Andrew made his way
to New York City to answer the swarm of media
requests from this firestorm, and while he was en route,
Breitbart News began slowly publishing the pictures, dripping them out
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one by one. Andrew essentially wanted Anthony Weener to admit
that Breitbart were not the hackers. The congressmen could no
longer claim ignorance. Breibart News had the goods. When Andrew
landed in New York City, he caught word that Anthony
Weiener had announced a last minute press conference, so instinctively,
Andrew began walking to the Sheraton. He arrived to a
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hall packed with journalists waiting for Anthony Wiener to step
to the podium. He stood quietly in the back of
the room, and what happened next would go down in
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So Andrew Breitbart and his team of rebel journalists were
being accused by Anthony Wiener and the media of hacking
the congressman's account. Andrew dug into the story and found
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another woman who'd received lewd pictures from Congressman Wiener as well,
so to get him to admit that team Breitbart were
not the hackers, Andrew slowly began publishing the photos. When
Andrew landed in New York City to deal with the
media firestorm, he learned that Anthony Wiener had called a
press conference at the Sheraton, so Andrew made his way
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to the event. He quietly stood in the back of
the room, but to his surprise, a reporter waved him
up to the stage. The entire country had been captivated
by Wienergate, so every significant media outlet in America was
in the room. As word was spread across Twitter that
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Anthony Wiener was about to make an announcement, people began
turning their TV dials to their trusted news stations, and
what happened next went down in media history.
Speaker 16 (36:49):
I'm Andrew Breibart. By the way, we reported this at
Big Government and Big.
Speaker 9 (36:54):
Journalism again Alex Marlow, and somehow Andrew got himself onto
Wiener's podium and started to take questions from the media.
Speaker 16 (37:05):
Why did you put this on.
Speaker 9 (37:07):
The web in the first place? What were you trying
to achieve?
Speaker 16 (37:09):
Well, it's clearly a news story. Why are you trying
to challenge in the news story? Look, we received a
tweet that came from his official Twitter page, sent out
to a woman in Seattle. We did not go with
the story until after we saw that the that the
congressman took down all of his photos, and the woman
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in Seattle took down her Facebook account and her Twitter account,
and even worse, he went to his Twitter page to
claim that he was hacked. We only wrote the story
after a sitting congressman claimed that his computer system had
been invaded by a hack. I've seen a lot of
this congressman's body, and he's a very good shape, and
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it appears to be his body.
Speaker 2 (37:55):
Moments later, Anthony Weiner made his way to the.
Speaker 11 (37:58):
Stage last Friday night, I tweeted a photograph of myself
that I intend to send us a direct message as
part of a joke to a woman in Seattle. Once
I realized I had posted to Twitter, I panicked. I
took it down and said that I had been hacked.
I then continued with that story. To stick to that story,
which was a usually regrettable mistake.
Speaker 2 (38:18):
The congressman hoped the story would die down. It wouldn't.
The wiener gate hashtag continued to trend on Twitter. The
media had lost control of the narrative and now had
to continue to press the politician. On May sixteenth, twenty eleven,
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just a week and a half after his admission, Anthony
Wiener called another press conference.
Speaker 11 (38:45):
I had hoped to be able to continue the work
that the citizens of my district elected me to do,
to fight for the middle class and those struggling to
make it. Unfortunately, the distraction that I have created has
made that impossible. So today I am announcing my resignation
from Congress.
Speaker 2 (39:05):
Andrew Breitbart and his team of conservative journalists had taken
out one of the Democrat Party's most beloved congressmen, and
they did it using Twitter.
Speaker 1 (39:21):
The whole affair would have massive implications, implications that would
be revealed in due time. Conservatives were quietly becoming experts
at using this new social media tool in a way
that allowed them to bypass the legacy media gatekeepers and
force inconvenient stories into the mainstream consciousness. It was not
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a widely acknowledged phenomenon at the time, but some began
to pick up on the idea that Twitter was a threat.
Speaker 14 (39:49):
When they write about this, thousands and thousands and thousands
of years from now, Twitter will be the indicator that
it was the beginning of the end of civilization.
Speaker 1 (39:56):
By the end of Wienergate, Twitter management had already gone
through major turmoil. Jack Dorsey had been forced out as
CEO and was in the largely figurehead position of chairman.
The new CEO, Dick Costello, underscored Twitter's company ethos at
a tech conference.
Speaker 8 (40:12):
You know, one of the things our general counsel always says,
and he says it proudly, and I agree with.
Speaker 7 (40:17):
Him, is were the free speech wing of the free
speech Party.
Speaker 1 (40:20):
At the time, there was nothing controversial about the statement.
It didn't raise the ire of anyone in media. People
hadn't fully processed what Wienergate exposed. But in time, Twitter's
free speech ethos would oddly become polarizing, and the years
that followed, a few disruptive right wing figures would adopt
Twitter as their megaphone. They'd become extraordinarily effective at using
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the platform, so much so that it became apparent that
the media was losing its grip on the narrative and
they'd have to do something about it.
Speaker 2 (40:52):
Coming up on red Pilled America.
Speaker 11 (40:54):
I've been pretty mean through the years on Twitter, but
I don't think that's the reason to eximize somebody from
the platform, and.
Speaker 15 (40:59):
I think that was one of the very earliest things
that thought it a push Twitter in the direction of censorship.
Speaker 8 (41:04):
And then Twitter just locked our account and they locked
it for the next two weeks and we only got
it back just before the election.
Speaker 2 (41:10):
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