April 7, 2025 • 35 mins
What's an American? At first glance, the question seems simple, but it's anything but. We take a deep dive into the meaning of one of the most fundamental questions for an American citizen. Along the way, we find the surprising answer, and learn that a popular conspiracy theory about our great nation may be a reality.
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Speaker 3 (01:03):
I'm not willing to have a discussion about the definition
of what an American is. Everybody knows what an American is.
Speaker 1 (01:13):
For the past three months, we've been obsessed with a
question one that's proven far more difficult to answer than expected.
Researching this topic has taken us down some unanticipated rabbit
holes to kind of make conspiracy theories like foreigners control
America look more like reality than theory.
Speaker 4 (01:30):
We're now known as an occupied country.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
Who are an occupied cutch You could you believe we've
been forced to confront taboo subjects the kind to get
people canceled, and our obsession all started over the twenty
twenty four Christmas holiday.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
I'm Patrick Carelchi and I'm Adriana Cortes.
Speaker 1 (01:51):
And this is Red Pilled America, a storytelling show.
Speaker 2 (01:55):
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We're all about telling stories.
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Speaker 2 (02:30):
Just as Americans, we're getting ready to settle in for
the family focused week, A story broke. President elect Donald
Trump announced the appointment of a man named Shri Ram Krishnan.
Speaker 6 (02:42):
Donald Trump picked Krishnan as his AI advisor. Krishnan has
an impressive resume. He has worked with the words leading
internet platforms like Facebook, Twitter, which is now X, and Snap.
He'll be advising Trump on AI, or artificial intelligence, and
working alongside David Sachs, the former CEO of Paper.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
With major fights brewing over Trump's more high profile nominees,
Krishnan's appointment seemed small potatoes in the big scheme of things,
but the little development would eventually spark a civil war
within the MAGA movement. Shortly after the announcement, investigative journalist
Laura Lumer uncovered Krishnan's stance on a hot button issue,
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that being H one B visas. An H one B
visa is a type of US work visa that purports
to bring so called highly skilled immigrant workers to America.
This category of visa is supposed to only be used
when a qualified American can't be found, but US employers
have famously abused the process.
Speaker 7 (03:49):
We'll see.
Speaker 8 (03:49):
IBC announced this week it would be cutting some one
hundred and thirty positions and they will outsource that work
to India. But adding insult to injury, it's forcing those
employees who are losing their jobs to help with the
training of their replacements.
Speaker 2 (04:02):
Proponents claim and that abuse of H one B visas
is negligible. Only eighty five thousand of these visas are
handed out per year, and there is a cap on
how many are issued to each country. Krishnuan was born
in India and came to the US in two thousand
and seven via a work visa. He was naturalized in
twenty sixteen. Over the years it followed, he'd become a
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vocal advocate for removing the country caps on H one
B visas. Krish Nun wanted to open the floodgates to
Indian immigrants. Laura Lumer brought attention to his advocacy by
showing the receipts. Krish Nun devoted entire podcast episodes to
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the topic.
Speaker 5 (04:48):
This is a topic that we have not just cared
about for a while, but lived through, and that is
the topic of skilled immigration.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
At one point, he even jokingly advocated for Indian immigrants
to ev avoid the visa process altogether by just marrying
an American.
Speaker 5 (05:07):
Elephant in the room is just get married to a
US citizen. Make that happen. Stay tuned for our upcoming
episode on finding romance with people of the US.
Speaker 2 (05:17):
What Krishnan was promoting was the idea of America as
an economic zone to be exploited. With Krishnan now entering
the role as White House AI advisor, he could help
push for policies that would open the door to a
new title wave of immigrant tech workers, workers that would
take jobs meant for Americans permanently. Maga heard Laura Lumer's
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alarm bell and a few began speaking out. But it
was Christmas. A story of this nature at that time
of year usually fizzles out quickly. But about seventy two
hours after Krishnan's appointment, Vivek Ramaswami entered the conversation and
he took a surprising position.
Speaker 1 (05:59):
Vivek, a political commentator of Indian descent, post the diatribe
defending big Tech's hiring of foreign workers and who is
to blame for their hiring practices. According to Vivec, it
was lazy Americans.
Speaker 9 (06:14):
As usual with administrations, the knife fights start early, and
sometimes even on Christmas. I'm referring, of course, to the
massive Maga civil war that has taken place over the
Christmas holidays that began with the critique over H one
B visas. Then a tech write versus magarite fight about
who really is in power, and it ended with one
of the most extraordinary posts I've ever seen from Vivek
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rama Swami. It basically said white people are lazy bake Ramaswami.
Speaker 10 (06:40):
He says it's a cultural issue that there aren't more
competitive engineers in the US. Here's what he said online.
A culture that celebrates the prom queen over the math
olympiad champ or the jock over the valedictorian will not
produce the best engineers. A culture that venerates Cory from
Boy Meets World, or Zach and Slater over Screech and
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Saved by the Bell, or stefan and over Steve Erkele
and family Matters will not produce the best engineers.
Speaker 9 (07:08):
Now Vick's prescription as an Americans instead to adopt a
parent in culture like the one he was raised in,
the Immigrants Striver model.
Speaker 1 (07:15):
The Veck was scheduled to join Elon Musk's groundbreaking Department
of Government Efficiency Group or DOGE. The project was supposed
to cut the fat out of the federal government, but
after his post, many feared that what Vivek meant by
getting efficient was replacing Americans with cheap foreign labor. The
MAGA wing of the Republican Party went nuclear.
Speaker 11 (07:36):
What these guys want is they don't want employees, they
want indentured servants. You saying there's not enough qualified Americans
as bs. You want Indians because you know you can
work them like dogs and threaten to deport them if
they don't go along with the program.
Speaker 1 (07:52):
And it was around this time that the world's richest
man entered the debate.
Speaker 12 (07:56):
Trump's new AI advisor has advocated for the US to
remove country specific caps on H one visas. Tech industry
leaders and Trump advisors Vivic Ramaswami and Elon Musk, both
made long posts on X on how their businesses rely
on H one B workers.
Speaker 9 (08:15):
The ultimate tech aligned right wing figure that weighed in
with Elon Musk, tweets this quote. The reason I am
in America along with so many critical people who built SpaceX,
Tesla at hundreds of other companies that made America strong
is because of H one B. Take a big step
back and fok yourself in the face.
Speaker 3 (08:31):
Elon continued, I will go to war on this issue,
the likes of which you cannot possibly comprehend.
Speaker 1 (08:40):
Elon called those that disagreed with Vivek and him retards
and racists, and vowed to remove them from the Republican
Party by root and stem. The window between Christmas and
New Year's, typically a time when culture warriors laid down
their swords, erupted into a civil war.
Speaker 12 (08:56):
An online debate between big tech and politics continues into
the weekend. At the center of the issue the H
one B visa program.
Speaker 10 (09:04):
Elon Musk and Vivek Ramaswami are both facing major blowback
from their own supporters for not only backing, but encouraging
offering more vises to highly skilled foreign workers.
Speaker 13 (09:16):
This is a showdown between the big tech wing of
Trump's Republican Party, led by Elon Musk, and the far
right MAGA wing. And this all started with a far
right activist, Laura Lumer, criticizing a Trump appointees stance on
expanding skilled immigration.
Speaker 14 (09:30):
They want society to operate like a corporation. They believe
that the most high IQ people, the tech elites, the
wealthiest people in our countries, should be the people who
are leading our society.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
Perhaps the loudest voice leading the charge against the Silicon
Valley tech bros. With Steve Bannon.
Speaker 15 (09:55):
That's the problem. The Americans are retarded, the Americans are dumb,
the Americans are lazy.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
Well, I beg to differ.
Speaker 2 (10:03):
Argued that the H one B visa had long been
a tool used by Silicon Valley to lower wages of
American workers.
Speaker 15 (10:09):
The H one B visa program is a total and
complete scam concocted by the lords of easy money on
Wall Street, in the Ola Garks and Silicon Valley, initially
to just increase profit margins. But there's a darker element
to it today, a contempt of America and American citizens,
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and we're not going to tolerate it.
Speaker 2 (10:32):
Bannon saw the issue as a core fight not only
for the MAGA movement, but for American citizens as well.
Speaker 15 (10:38):
Here's our position. The program completely goes away, all of it.
We're gonna get HB one visas out, root and stem
and all the workers you brought in. Just like we're
deporting fifteen million here. We want to deport it out
and give those jobs for American citizens today, and we
demand they get reparations. You stole from them, you stole
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their lives for them. Don't talk to me, to talk
to these chech words, these people are broken.
Speaker 2 (11:04):
The debate went on for days, with writers like Mike
Cernovich uncovering the stunning abuses of the H one B
visa program. Some US employers were trying to use the
system to fill entry level accounting positions and even jobs
for convenience store cashiers, not quite the highly skilled labor
of the H one B visas purported to foster. At
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every turn, the Silicon Valley tech bros were getting demolished
in the debate, so much so that Elon Musk Vivekramswami,
and incoming Ai Zre David Sachs all backpedaled, suggesting strict
parameters be added to the visa program that would eliminate
the abuse. In the wake of their walk back, the
debate began to simmer down as New Year's Eve approached.
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Some already began reflecting on the digital knife fight that
had just erupted, and one Man, a provocative comedian, posted
a genius response to Elon that would eventually inspire our
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Speaker 1 (13:25):
Welcome back to red Pilled America. So just as the
vitriolic H one B controversy started to cool down, a
few began to reflect on the debate it had just erupted.
One man, a performance artist named Sam Hyde, hosted a
video giving his thoughts on the outburst.
Speaker 3 (13:42):
Elon Musk. By the way, please don't watch this if
you're not Elon Musk. Okay, this is a one off
video that we're doing. This is private personal I'd put
this in his email.
Speaker 5 (13:52):
I don't know how you got this hide.
Speaker 1 (13:54):
Gave a forty five minute lecture to Elon trying to
convey to the newly MAGA billionaire where he'd gone wrong.
Speaker 3 (14:01):
You tapped into a critical, mainline concern for the American people,
and you treated it in a way that was glib
and dismissive. You just became a Republican three months ago,
and you're talking about removing a big portion of regular people,
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root and stem.
Speaker 1 (14:25):
The lecture was peppered with strokes of genius.
Speaker 3 (14:28):
You've courted the MAGA base. You wanted these people on
your side. They're ready to be on your side. But
you have to fight not for Ben Shapiro's idea of
the country of America, the notion of America as this
collection of ideas. That's not what it is. It's Americans.
That's who you have to fight for. If you're in America,
doing business in America, you want to be the man
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in America, you have to fight for the American people.
That's fundamentally why I think people are pissed off here.
You have to at least say that the H one
B program is being scammed. If you don't admit that,
then as far as like any type of discussion that
goes anywhere is concerned, it's over.
Speaker 1 (15:10):
The video went megaviral on x because it got to
the core frustrations of the Maga movement.
Speaker 3 (15:15):
People didn't suddenly have a flare up of India hate.
There were very few overt Indian haters spewing their nonsensical
filth everywhere. Seventy two hours ago. Most people in the
Maga bass looked at Vivek Ramaswami with some notion of
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admiration or Hey, that guy says cool stuff every once
in a while. Hey, you know what, I think, I
like that guy. Now he's got to be deported. And
he's not being deported because of the color of his skin.
He's being deported for the content of his character. The
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hate and racism and anti Indian sentiment. It's there to
the extent that Indians are being used to replace white people.
That's it.
Speaker 1 (16:14):
His lecture was provocative and at times outlandish.
Speaker 3 (16:17):
I want to believe that Elon is one of the
great men of our age and that he has what
it takes to become a twenty first century Andrew Carnegie.
Speaker 1 (16:26):
But in total, it was a genius piece of work.
It came from an unexpected voice, and as he concluded
his message to Elon, Sam Hyde made a statement it
would eventually send us on our quest.
Speaker 3 (16:37):
We all know what an American is, and all these
paragraph long definitions and high minded ideas, it's just propaganda.
We know what an American is.
Speaker 1 (16:51):
We all know what an American is. That brief statement
stood out. We all know what an American is. What's
an American? I thought At first the answer felt like
a quick, no brainer. But the more I thought about it,
the more I realized that the answer was not so simple.
According to the tech bros, an immigrant whose green card
inc has barely dried could be as much of an
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American as a citizen that has ancestors dating back to
the American Revolution. Sam Hyde had a different take.
Speaker 3 (17:19):
Healthy functioning societies they need more than gadgets. They need
a shared ideology, heritage, history, beliefs, and values, religion, or
they collapse and they crumble. America is not a collection
of ideas. America is a people.
Speaker 1 (17:34):
So what is an American? That's the question this series
intends to answer.
Speaker 2 (17:53):
So what's an American? There are a lot of ways
to look at this question. There's the legal designation, citizenship
by birth or naturalization. There's the cultural aspect of being American,
things like a connection to God and country, the English language, Christmas,
the fourth of July, Clint Eastwood, movies, yacht Rock, hot
dogs at a baseball game, the Super Bowl, and apple Pie.
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Then there's affirming the American ideals, believing in freedom of
speech and freedom of religion, the right to bear arms,
the right to question authority, the bravery to dream big,
and the will to fight to keep the country the
land of opportunity for Americans. But perhaps most importantly, there's
a personal connection to the land. The story of your
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ancestors quest to America, then putting their life on the line,
defending the country, burying your loved ones in American soil.
Some of us have long ties to the land, all
the way back to colonial times, to the early British
colonies of Jamestown and Plymouth. Then there are much more
recent arrivals like the vek Ramaswami was born in Cincinnati, Ohio,
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on August ninth, nineteen eighty five, to Hindu parents from
South India. His mom and dad were both Brahmins, the
highest caste in Indian social hierarchy system. They moved to
the US sometime before vi Veck's birth, and neither were
American citizens, a fact of which Vivec seemed to be
a bit touchy about during the twenty twenty four race
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for the White House.
Speaker 16 (19:27):
You've lately been talking on the campaign trail more about
your mother than your father, and some folks have been
asking questions, and I just want to be super clear.
Did your father also take the citizenship test? And is
your father a citizen?
Speaker 7 (19:42):
He did not, and that's a choice that he has
made for familial reasons.
Speaker 3 (19:46):
But my mother did.
Speaker 7 (19:48):
And I think that every immigrant who comes to this
country in order to become a full voting citizen, has
to do the same. And I believe in being consistent
about my policies.
Speaker 5 (19:58):
Where so your.
Speaker 16 (19:58):
Father is not a citizen of the United States.
Speaker 1 (20:00):
He's okay.
Speaker 2 (20:01):
If some wondered why that sounded like he favored Indian
over American culture, this moment may clear things up.
Speaker 12 (20:09):
And your mother.
Speaker 16 (20:10):
When did your mom take the citizenship test? Was it
before or after you were born? After I was born,
after you were born, Okay.
Speaker 7 (20:18):
After years of being in this you know, following the
legal process of becoming a naturalized citizen. She followed it
through the legal process.
Speaker 16 (20:25):
So you gained birth, you gained citizenships through birthright then.
Speaker 7 (20:28):
Well, but you gained citizenship through birthright citizenship in that
sense too, right, I mean every American. So what I
want to do is revive a vision of citizenship where
every kid who is.
Speaker 16 (20:39):
Sorry, just attract So your father is not a citizen.
Speaker 7 (20:42):
Your man came to this country legally.
Speaker 2 (20:44):
The Vex's father reportedly worked as a patent lawyer for
General Electric at the time of the vex birth, meaning
he likely came to America on a work visa. Some
of his detractors have claimed that that makes vec a
so called anchor baby, but that's not an entirely fair assessment.
It's true that the was born in the US to
non citizen parents, but the term anchor baby suggests his
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parents had him in the United States to gain citizenship.
According to the Veck, his father never became a US citizen.
Could it have helped his mother gain citizenship. Perhaps so my.
Speaker 7 (21:19):
View is any kid who was born in this country
of parents who are here legally, that's the scope of
where birthright citizenship applies. And I think it's a very
simple principle. The Fourteenth Amendment says subject to the laws
and jurisdiction thereof So anybody who's in this country legally
under the auspices of federal law here legally, the kid
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of anyone who's in this country legally, whether or not
they're an immigrant, that's the scope of to whom birthright
citizenship applies.
Speaker 2 (21:48):
If the vex explanation of his parents' legal status is true,
few would dispute his citizenship, or for that matter, anyone
who mirrors his experience. But this citizenship aspect of defining
what an American is gets trickier when discussing the top
of dual citizenship.
Speaker 4 (22:04):
As soon as you ask the question what is an American?
Speaker 17 (22:08):
You start to try to think about what it means
to be an American and what the relationship is between
different kinds of citizenship and American identity.
Speaker 1 (22:18):
That's Stanley Renshawn, an author and political science professor at
the City University of New York Graduate Center.
Speaker 17 (22:25):
I'm primarily interested in American national identity because that is
the glue that helps hold this country together.
Speaker 1 (22:39):
Stanley has been studying American national identity for decades and
wrote a seminal two thousand article on this subject for
this Center for Immigration Studies. It's titled Dual citizens in
America An Issue of Vast proportions and broad Significance. While
researching for this series, we found Stanley's work and have
come to the same conclusion. The road to answering the
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question what's in America inevitably leads through the topic of
dual citizenship.
Speaker 4 (23:06):
The United States does not officially recognize dual citizenship.
Speaker 1 (23:11):
A dual citizen in the US is someone who is
legally recognized as a citizen of the United States and
another country at the same time. The topic of dual
citizenship is not debated much in America, so to get
a gauge on how people feel about this topic, we
spoke to you, are loyal listeners who we affectionately call
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the fanban. We asked many of you a series of
simple questions on the topic. Do you think it's legal
for an American citizen to also be a citizen of
one or more countries. Yes, yes, I believe it is.
Speaker 18 (23:50):
I know people that have dual citizenship.
Speaker 1 (23:52):
Do you think it's legal for an American citizen to
also be a citizen of one or more other countries?
Speaker 7 (23:58):
And do I think it's legal?
Speaker 12 (23:59):
Yes, yes, yes, I've heard that people can have dual
citizenship ours.
Speaker 4 (24:05):
I know.
Speaker 1 (24:05):
I think it is legal.
Speaker 15 (24:07):
I think it is.
Speaker 11 (24:08):
It just depends on the other country.
Speaker 1 (24:10):
Everyone knew that dual citizenship existed and was legal for
an American citizen, but there were some differences of opinion
on whether dual citizenship should be allowed.
Speaker 18 (24:20):
Probably not, the thinking being that, you know, if you're
a citizen in the United States, you should probably be
loyal to the United States and you know, not too
great Britain or Zimbabwe.
Speaker 1 (24:31):
Do you think it should be allowed?
Speaker 5 (24:33):
Yes, yes, I do.
Speaker 19 (24:34):
You know, I think it's probably done worldwide with dual citizenships,
so I guess.
Speaker 5 (24:40):
I guess.
Speaker 4 (24:40):
I would say, you know, I think that that could
be allowed.
Speaker 7 (24:43):
I think it should be illegal because then there are
no border zone.
Speaker 12 (24:47):
You are sovereign to one nation.
Speaker 1 (24:48):
Do you think the dual citizenship should be allowed?
Speaker 16 (24:51):
I think so.
Speaker 20 (24:52):
I think yeah, because personally I was born in Mexico.
I became naturalized here in the US, so as far
as I know, we're still a citizen of Mexico, but
my allegiance is to the US. Once I was naturalized.
Speaker 1 (25:05):
It was a mixed bag. Most believe dual citizenship should
be allowed, others not so much.
Speaker 2 (25:10):
But then almost everyone came back together when we asked
another question whether DC politicians should be allowed to be
dual citizens?
Speaker 1 (25:19):
Do you think US senators or congress members should be
allowed to also be a citizen of a foreign country.
Speaker 4 (25:25):
No, I don't think so.
Speaker 7 (25:26):
No, it's a good question.
Speaker 20 (25:28):
I think it should be illegal.
Speaker 7 (25:29):
I don't think that is illegal, but I think it
should be illegal. I can't imagine that they could be.
I don't think it should be legal, but I don't
know whether.
Speaker 4 (25:38):
It is or it isn't.
Speaker 1 (25:39):
This question got some of you curious.
Speaker 19 (25:41):
Patrick, just out of curiosity.
Speaker 10 (25:42):
Are there many what congressmen do we have that has
got a dual citizenship?
Speaker 1 (25:47):
We're going to get into that in this show.
Speaker 4 (25:49):
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (25:50):
I don't want to like Okay, sorry, yes, no problem, okay.
And this is where the topic of dual citizenship gets shocking.
What if I told you nearly fifty percent of US
Democrat senators could be citizens of a foreign nation. Would
that surprise you? Or here's another one. What if I
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said over forty percent of US Democrats in the House
of Representatives were in the same boat. Would you think
I'm crazy? Well, if so, you'd be wrong. Both of
those statistics are correct. Red Pilled America conducted a nearly
three month analysis of every U s Senator and US
representative in the current one hundred nineteenth Congress. We checked
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their biographies, their claimed heritage, whether they spoke of themselves
as a hyphenated American like Mexican American, Jewish American, Cuban American,
Native American, and so on. We reviewed the dual citizenship
laws in the countries these politicians claimed to be connected
to ethnically, and what we learned was that forty nine
percent of Democrats in the Senate and forty three percent
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in the House were eligible to be dual citizens. And
they aren't alone. Many Republicans also fall into this category,
but we'll get to that later. The bottom line here
is that an extraordinary amount of DC politicians could be
citizens of the same foreign nations that are impacted by
the laws they pass. And here's the kicker, if they are,
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If you're representative or senator is a citizen of a
country other than America, they don't have to tell you.
It's their little secret. There are no laws currently in
place that require members of the House or Senate to
divulge whether they are citizens of a foreign country. There
have been attempts to make them fess up, but they've
gone nowhere. Does that surprise you, well, it shocked us.
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I mean, these are the people that pass and enforce
immigration laws, craft and implement our foreign policy, declare wars,
and send our hard earned tax dollars to other countries.
Shouldn't they be required to tell the American people whether
they are citizens of a foreign country. And what we
found even more surprising was with which nations are DC
politicians potentially have dual citizenship. Matching that data with our
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foreign and domestic policy z fun exercise, and we'll get
to that in upcoming episodes of this series.
Speaker 2 (28:07):
This potential dual citizenship phenomenon is not just in Washington.
Speaker 16 (28:11):
D C.
Speaker 2 (28:12):
Stanley Renshawn found that in nineteen seventy, roughly nine point
six million foreign born people were in the United States
By nineteen ninety, that number doubled to roughly twenty million
according to Pew Research. Today, that number has grown almost
two and a half times to roughly forty eight million
foreign born people in the United States, and some estimates
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put that number much higher. But that statistic is only
one way to look at the dual citizenship number in America.
Another is by dual citizenship eligibility. A Forbes report estimates
that roughly forty percent of Americans are eligible for dual
citizenship in Europe alone. That number doesn't even include places
like Mexico.
Speaker 1 (29:00):
I asked Stanley Renshaw if he received any push back
from his early articles on the topic of dual citizenship.
Speaker 4 (29:06):
I happened to.
Speaker 17 (29:07):
Be Jewish, so Jews can be dual citizens of a
country in Israel, And somebody asked me, essentially, well, you
know what about Jews, And my response is really the same,
I said, I feel the same way about Jews as
I do about any other group, which is the idea
of dual citizenship is not a positive one overall.
Speaker 4 (29:30):
For American national identity. And honestly, I don't care whether
you're Jewish or not Jewish or Irish. You're not Irish.
Speaker 17 (29:37):
The issue is the way it works for attachment and
emotional commitment.
Speaker 1 (29:45):
Hey, Fambam, we want to hear from you on this subject.
What's an American? Send us a brief audio answer to
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You can record it on your phone or however you
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have to say on this Welcome back to red Pilled America.
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The existence of dual citizenship brings into questions someone's personal
connection to America. If an American citizen also has citizenship
from another country, let's say Mexico, which country are they
tied to emotionally? Political commentator Ben Shapiro was famously asked
this question, and his answer was revealing.
Speaker 18 (30:31):
Do you have if one day you'll have to flee
the United States?
Speaker 21 (30:35):
I mean, I think that every Jew throout world history
who has a brain and knows history has always wondered
if a country that is not a Jewish state is
going to eternally provide them security guarantees in full citizenship.
Of course, I mean that's I think to think that
that's why the existence of the State of Israel's is
the single greatest guaranteur of my loyalty to the United States.
Frankly right, because Israel exists, that means the United States
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is going to be more welcoming place. Or maybe because
Israel is there is a back stop in case anything
should go wrong.
Speaker 1 (31:04):
Do we all agree that an American can also have
an equal or perhaps greater allegiance with another foreign country?
Is that healthy for national unity? The Vek Ramaswami situation
illuminates this further. According to Vivek, his mother became a
naturalized US citizen, but his father retained Indian citizenship. In
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the case of the Vek, by one of his parents
remaining an Indian citizen and the other obtaining American citizenship,
which culture does Bevek feel a stronger connection to? If
we're to believe his famous H one B vsapost some
would say India. And this was a man that was
running for the White House. When the time comes, will
Vivek and his parents be buried here in the United
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States or in India? And if India, does that make
him less of an American. There are many degrees of
personal ties to American soil. Five ancestors that date back
to colonial times that fought in the American Revolution, the
Civil War, both World Wars, and in Vietnam. Does that
make me any more American than vivek Ramaswami. I also
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have grandparents that immigrated to the US at a much
later time. You can see how the topic starts to
get tricky. Both my grandparents on my dad's side came
to the US from Mexico in the nineteen twenties. They
vowed to speak English in the house so their kids
would assimilate. My dad's dad served in World War II.
My dad served in Vietnam. My nana on my mom's
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side immigrated to New York via Ireland in the early
nineteen twenties. She also served in World War Two. So
in one path I have roots that go back over
three centuries, and in the others about one hundred years.
Adriana has a different connection to America.
Speaker 2 (32:44):
Patrick often jokes about me barely making it into this country.
That my great grandmother first came here in the nineteen tens.
She brought my Grammatoni to the US. A decade later,
Grammatoni and my grandfather were both buried here in America.
(33:04):
My brother served in the Iraq War, but my grandparents
on my dad's side and my dad died Mexican citizens Patrick,
Do you think that makes you more American than me?
Speaker 1 (33:15):
I'll be able to answer that before the end of
this series. This is all to say that everyone's personal
connection to America is much different. What does that tell
us about being American? As for me, I've never really
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thought of myself of being anything but an American.
Speaker 2 (33:38):
Neither have I. I don't call myself a Mexican American.
I call myself an American.
Speaker 1 (33:43):
But looking into this topic of dual citizenship has got
me to wondering, am I eligible to be a citizen
in any other countries? If so, which ones? And what
about Adriana. How easy would it be for us to
acquire citizenship in another country? Well, I think we need
to find out.
Speaker 2 (34:01):
Coming up on red Pilled America, I.
Speaker 1 (34:03):
Think this means I could pretty easily get citizenship in
these two countries.
Speaker 4 (34:07):
Where the United States.
Speaker 17 (34:08):
Dual citizenship does make a difference because of the nature
of our country, the foundations on which it's premise and
on which at rest.
Speaker 2 (34:17):
To understand why this issue of dual citizenship is at
the core of what it means to be American, we
need to go back way back to the dawn of
the sixteenth century, where a British king helped set the
stage for the creation of America.
Speaker 1 (34:32):
A Protestant movement arose that wanted to purify the Church
of England of all remaining Catholic influences. They'd come to
be known as the Puritans.
Speaker 7 (34:41):
And so when the womb of the Mayflowers conceived this
child of self governance, a polarity change in the low
power on planet Earth.
Speaker 19 (34:46):
So at a top down its bottom up, I discovered
that the National Academy of Sciences had faked a shortage
of scientists and engineers to pass the nineteen ninety Immigration Act,
which came with H one B. They spun an entire
story but we need the best and the brightest, But
it was all about money.
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Speaker 3 (01:03):
I'm not willing to have a discussion about the definition
of what an American is. Everybody knows what an American is.
Speaker 1 (01:13):
For the past three months, we've been obsessed with a
question one that's proven far more difficult to answer than expected.
Researching this topic has taken us down some unanticipated rabbit
holes to kind of make conspiracy theories like foreigners control
America look more like reality than theory.
Speaker 4 (01:30):
We're now known as an occupied country.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
Who are an occupied cutch You could you believe we've
been forced to confront taboo subjects the kind to get
people canceled, and our obsession all started over the twenty
twenty four Christmas holiday.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
I'm Patrick Carelchi and I'm Adriana Cortes.
Speaker 1 (01:51):
And this is Red Pilled America, a storytelling show.
Speaker 2 (01:55):
This is not another talk show covering the day's news.
We're all about telling stories.
Speaker 5 (02:00):
Stories.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
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Speaker 2 (02:04):
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Speaker 2 (02:30):
Just as Americans, we're getting ready to settle in for
the family focused week, A story broke. President elect Donald
Trump announced the appointment of a man named Shri Ram Krishnan.
Speaker 6 (02:42):
Donald Trump picked Krishnan as his AI advisor. Krishnan has
an impressive resume. He has worked with the words leading
internet platforms like Facebook, Twitter, which is now X, and Snap.
He'll be advising Trump on AI, or artificial intelligence, and
working alongside David Sachs, the former CEO of Paper.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
With major fights brewing over Trump's more high profile nominees,
Krishnan's appointment seemed small potatoes in the big scheme of things,
but the little development would eventually spark a civil war
within the MAGA movement. Shortly after the announcement, investigative journalist
Laura Lumer uncovered Krishnan's stance on a hot button issue,
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that being H one B visas. An H one B
visa is a type of US work visa that purports
to bring so called highly skilled immigrant workers to America.
This category of visa is supposed to only be used
when a qualified American can't be found, but US employers
have famously abused the process.
Speaker 7 (03:49):
We'll see.
Speaker 8 (03:49):
IBC announced this week it would be cutting some one
hundred and thirty positions and they will outsource that work
to India. But adding insult to injury, it's forcing those
employees who are losing their jobs to help with the
training of their replacements.
Speaker 2 (04:02):
Proponents claim and that abuse of H one B visas
is negligible. Only eighty five thousand of these visas are
handed out per year, and there is a cap on
how many are issued to each country. Krishnuan was born
in India and came to the US in two thousand
and seven via a work visa. He was naturalized in
twenty sixteen. Over the years it followed, he'd become a
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vocal advocate for removing the country caps on H one
B visas. Krish Nun wanted to open the floodgates to
Indian immigrants. Laura Lumer brought attention to his advocacy by
showing the receipts. Krish Nun devoted entire podcast episodes to
(04:47):
the topic.
Speaker 5 (04:48):
This is a topic that we have not just cared
about for a while, but lived through, and that is
the topic of skilled immigration.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
At one point, he even jokingly advocated for Indian immigrants
to ev avoid the visa process altogether by just marrying
an American.
Speaker 5 (05:07):
Elephant in the room is just get married to a
US citizen. Make that happen. Stay tuned for our upcoming
episode on finding romance with people of the US.
Speaker 2 (05:17):
What Krishnan was promoting was the idea of America as
an economic zone to be exploited. With Krishnan now entering
the role as White House AI advisor, he could help
push for policies that would open the door to a
new title wave of immigrant tech workers, workers that would
take jobs meant for Americans permanently. Maga heard Laura Lumer's
(05:39):
alarm bell and a few began speaking out. But it
was Christmas. A story of this nature at that time
of year usually fizzles out quickly. But about seventy two
hours after Krishnan's appointment, Vivek Ramaswami entered the conversation and
he took a surprising position.
Speaker 1 (05:59):
Vivek, a political commentator of Indian descent, post the diatribe
defending big Tech's hiring of foreign workers and who is
to blame for their hiring practices. According to Vivec, it
was lazy Americans.
Speaker 9 (06:14):
As usual with administrations, the knife fights start early, and
sometimes even on Christmas. I'm referring, of course, to the
massive Maga civil war that has taken place over the
Christmas holidays that began with the critique over H one
B visas. Then a tech write versus magarite fight about
who really is in power, and it ended with one
of the most extraordinary posts I've ever seen from Vivek
(06:35):
rama Swami. It basically said white people are lazy bake Ramaswami.
Speaker 10 (06:40):
He says it's a cultural issue that there aren't more
competitive engineers in the US. Here's what he said online.
A culture that celebrates the prom queen over the math
olympiad champ or the jock over the valedictorian will not
produce the best engineers. A culture that venerates Cory from
Boy Meets World, or Zach and Slater over Screech and
(07:01):
Saved by the Bell, or stefan and over Steve Erkele
and family Matters will not produce the best engineers.
Speaker 9 (07:08):
Now Vick's prescription as an Americans instead to adopt a
parent in culture like the one he was raised in,
the Immigrants Striver model.
Speaker 1 (07:15):
The Veck was scheduled to join Elon Musk's groundbreaking Department
of Government Efficiency Group or DOGE. The project was supposed
to cut the fat out of the federal government, but
after his post, many feared that what Vivek meant by
getting efficient was replacing Americans with cheap foreign labor. The
MAGA wing of the Republican Party went nuclear.
Speaker 11 (07:36):
What these guys want is they don't want employees, they
want indentured servants. You saying there's not enough qualified Americans
as bs. You want Indians because you know you can
work them like dogs and threaten to deport them if
they don't go along with the program.
Speaker 1 (07:52):
And it was around this time that the world's richest
man entered the debate.
Speaker 12 (07:56):
Trump's new AI advisor has advocated for the US to
remove country specific caps on H one visas. Tech industry
leaders and Trump advisors Vivic Ramaswami and Elon Musk, both
made long posts on X on how their businesses rely
on H one B workers.
Speaker 9 (08:15):
The ultimate tech aligned right wing figure that weighed in
with Elon Musk, tweets this quote. The reason I am
in America along with so many critical people who built SpaceX,
Tesla at hundreds of other companies that made America strong
is because of H one B. Take a big step
back and fok yourself in the face.
Speaker 3 (08:31):
Elon continued, I will go to war on this issue,
the likes of which you cannot possibly comprehend.
Speaker 1 (08:40):
Elon called those that disagreed with Vivek and him retards
and racists, and vowed to remove them from the Republican
Party by root and stem. The window between Christmas and
New Year's, typically a time when culture warriors laid down
their swords, erupted into a civil war.
Speaker 12 (08:56):
An online debate between big tech and politics continues into
the weekend. At the center of the issue the H
one B visa program.
Speaker 10 (09:04):
Elon Musk and Vivek Ramaswami are both facing major blowback
from their own supporters for not only backing, but encouraging
offering more vises to highly skilled foreign workers.
Speaker 13 (09:16):
This is a showdown between the big tech wing of
Trump's Republican Party, led by Elon Musk, and the far
right MAGA wing. And this all started with a far
right activist, Laura Lumer, criticizing a Trump appointees stance on
expanding skilled immigration.
Speaker 14 (09:30):
They want society to operate like a corporation. They believe
that the most high IQ people, the tech elites, the
wealthiest people in our countries, should be the people who
are leading our society.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
Perhaps the loudest voice leading the charge against the Silicon
Valley tech bros. With Steve Bannon.
Speaker 15 (09:55):
That's the problem. The Americans are retarded, the Americans are dumb,
the Americans are lazy.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
Well, I beg to differ.
Speaker 2 (10:03):
Argued that the H one B visa had long been
a tool used by Silicon Valley to lower wages of
American workers.
Speaker 15 (10:09):
The H one B visa program is a total and
complete scam concocted by the lords of easy money on
Wall Street, in the Ola Garks and Silicon Valley, initially
to just increase profit margins. But there's a darker element
to it today, a contempt of America and American citizens,
(10:30):
and we're not going to tolerate it.
Speaker 2 (10:32):
Bannon saw the issue as a core fight not only
for the MAGA movement, but for American citizens as well.
Speaker 15 (10:38):
Here's our position. The program completely goes away, all of it.
We're gonna get HB one visas out, root and stem
and all the workers you brought in. Just like we're
deporting fifteen million here. We want to deport it out
and give those jobs for American citizens today, and we
demand they get reparations. You stole from them, you stole
(11:01):
their lives for them. Don't talk to me, to talk
to these chech words, these people are broken.
Speaker 2 (11:04):
The debate went on for days, with writers like Mike
Cernovich uncovering the stunning abuses of the H one B
visa program. Some US employers were trying to use the
system to fill entry level accounting positions and even jobs
for convenience store cashiers, not quite the highly skilled labor
of the H one B visas purported to foster. At
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every turn, the Silicon Valley tech bros were getting demolished
in the debate, so much so that Elon Musk Vivekramswami,
and incoming Ai Zre David Sachs all backpedaled, suggesting strict
parameters be added to the visa program that would eliminate
the abuse. In the wake of their walk back, the
debate began to simmer down as New Year's Eve approached.
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Some already began reflecting on the digital knife fight that
had just erupted, and one Man, a provocative comedian, posted
a genius response to Elon that would eventually inspire our
journey down a rabbit hole. Netflix, Hulu, HBO, Max, Disney Plus,
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They are all storytelling platforms. Which of these platforms are
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(12:36):
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Speaker 1 (13:25):
Welcome back to red Pilled America. So just as the
vitriolic H one B controversy started to cool down, a
few began to reflect on the debate it had just erupted.
One man, a performance artist named Sam Hyde, hosted a
video giving his thoughts on the outburst.
Speaker 3 (13:42):
Elon Musk. By the way, please don't watch this if
you're not Elon Musk. Okay, this is a one off
video that we're doing. This is private personal I'd put
this in his email.
Speaker 5 (13:52):
I don't know how you got this hide.
Speaker 1 (13:54):
Gave a forty five minute lecture to Elon trying to
convey to the newly MAGA billionaire where he'd gone wrong.
Speaker 3 (14:01):
You tapped into a critical, mainline concern for the American people,
and you treated it in a way that was glib
and dismissive. You just became a Republican three months ago,
and you're talking about removing a big portion of regular people,
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root and stem.
Speaker 1 (14:25):
The lecture was peppered with strokes of genius.
Speaker 3 (14:28):
You've courted the MAGA base. You wanted these people on
your side. They're ready to be on your side. But
you have to fight not for Ben Shapiro's idea of
the country of America, the notion of America as this
collection of ideas. That's not what it is. It's Americans.
That's who you have to fight for. If you're in America,
doing business in America, you want to be the man
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in America, you have to fight for the American people.
That's fundamentally why I think people are pissed off here.
You have to at least say that the H one
B program is being scammed. If you don't admit that,
then as far as like any type of discussion that
goes anywhere is concerned, it's over.
Speaker 1 (15:10):
The video went megaviral on x because it got to
the core frustrations of the Maga movement.
Speaker 3 (15:15):
People didn't suddenly have a flare up of India hate.
There were very few overt Indian haters spewing their nonsensical
filth everywhere. Seventy two hours ago. Most people in the
Maga bass looked at Vivek Ramaswami with some notion of
(15:38):
admiration or Hey, that guy says cool stuff every once
in a while. Hey, you know what, I think, I
like that guy. Now he's got to be deported. And
he's not being deported because of the color of his skin.
He's being deported for the content of his character. The
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hate and racism and anti Indian sentiment. It's there to
the extent that Indians are being used to replace white people.
That's it.
Speaker 1 (16:14):
His lecture was provocative and at times outlandish.
Speaker 3 (16:17):
I want to believe that Elon is one of the
great men of our age and that he has what
it takes to become a twenty first century Andrew Carnegie.
Speaker 1 (16:26):
But in total, it was a genius piece of work.
It came from an unexpected voice, and as he concluded
his message to Elon, Sam Hyde made a statement it
would eventually send us on our quest.
Speaker 3 (16:37):
We all know what an American is, and all these
paragraph long definitions and high minded ideas, it's just propaganda.
We know what an American is.
Speaker 1 (16:51):
We all know what an American is. That brief statement
stood out. We all know what an American is. What's
an American? I thought At first the answer felt like
a quick, no brainer. But the more I thought about it,
the more I realized that the answer was not so simple.
According to the tech bros, an immigrant whose green card
inc has barely dried could be as much of an
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American as a citizen that has ancestors dating back to
the American Revolution. Sam Hyde had a different take.
Speaker 3 (17:19):
Healthy functioning societies they need more than gadgets. They need
a shared ideology, heritage, history, beliefs, and values, religion, or
they collapse and they crumble. America is not a collection
of ideas. America is a people.
Speaker 1 (17:34):
So what is an American? That's the question this series
intends to answer.
Speaker 2 (17:53):
So what's an American? There are a lot of ways
to look at this question. There's the legal designation, citizenship
by birth or naturalization. There's the cultural aspect of being American,
things like a connection to God and country, the English language, Christmas,
the fourth of July, Clint Eastwood, movies, yacht Rock, hot
dogs at a baseball game, the Super Bowl, and apple Pie.
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Then there's affirming the American ideals, believing in freedom of
speech and freedom of religion, the right to bear arms,
the right to question authority, the bravery to dream big,
and the will to fight to keep the country the
land of opportunity for Americans. But perhaps most importantly, there's
a personal connection to the land. The story of your
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ancestors quest to America, then putting their life on the line,
defending the country, burying your loved ones in American soil.
Some of us have long ties to the land, all
the way back to colonial times, to the early British
colonies of Jamestown and Plymouth. Then there are much more
recent arrivals like the vek Ramaswami was born in Cincinnati, Ohio,
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on August ninth, nineteen eighty five, to Hindu parents from
South India. His mom and dad were both Brahmins, the
highest caste in Indian social hierarchy system. They moved to
the US sometime before vi Veck's birth, and neither were
American citizens, a fact of which Vivec seemed to be
a bit touchy about during the twenty twenty four race
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for the White House.
Speaker 16 (19:27):
You've lately been talking on the campaign trail more about
your mother than your father, and some folks have been
asking questions, and I just want to be super clear.
Did your father also take the citizenship test? And is
your father a citizen?
Speaker 7 (19:42):
He did not, and that's a choice that he has
made for familial reasons.
Speaker 3 (19:46):
But my mother did.
Speaker 7 (19:48):
And I think that every immigrant who comes to this
country in order to become a full voting citizen, has
to do the same. And I believe in being consistent
about my policies.
Speaker 5 (19:58):
Where so your.
Speaker 16 (19:58):
Father is not a citizen of the United States.
Speaker 1 (20:00):
He's okay.
Speaker 2 (20:01):
If some wondered why that sounded like he favored Indian
over American culture, this moment may clear things up.
Speaker 12 (20:09):
And your mother.
Speaker 16 (20:10):
When did your mom take the citizenship test? Was it
before or after you were born? After I was born,
after you were born, Okay.
Speaker 7 (20:18):
After years of being in this you know, following the
legal process of becoming a naturalized citizen. She followed it
through the legal process.
Speaker 16 (20:25):
So you gained birth, you gained citizenships through birthright then.
Speaker 7 (20:28):
Well, but you gained citizenship through birthright citizenship in that
sense too, right, I mean every American. So what I
want to do is revive a vision of citizenship where
every kid who is.
Speaker 16 (20:39):
Sorry, just attract So your father is not a citizen.
Speaker 7 (20:42):
Your man came to this country legally.
Speaker 2 (20:44):
The Vex's father reportedly worked as a patent lawyer for
General Electric at the time of the vex birth, meaning
he likely came to America on a work visa. Some
of his detractors have claimed that that makes vec a
so called anchor baby, but that's not an entirely fair assessment.
It's true that the was born in the US to
non citizen parents, but the term anchor baby suggests his
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parents had him in the United States to gain citizenship.
According to the Veck, his father never became a US citizen.
Could it have helped his mother gain citizenship. Perhaps so my.
Speaker 7 (21:19):
View is any kid who was born in this country
of parents who are here legally, that's the scope of
where birthright citizenship applies. And I think it's a very
simple principle. The Fourteenth Amendment says subject to the laws
and jurisdiction thereof So anybody who's in this country legally
under the auspices of federal law here legally, the kid
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of anyone who's in this country legally, whether or not
they're an immigrant, that's the scope of to whom birthright
citizenship applies.
Speaker 2 (21:48):
If the vex explanation of his parents' legal status is true,
few would dispute his citizenship, or for that matter, anyone
who mirrors his experience. But this citizenship aspect of defining
what an American is gets trickier when discussing the top
of dual citizenship.
Speaker 4 (22:04):
As soon as you ask the question what is an American?
Speaker 17 (22:08):
You start to try to think about what it means
to be an American and what the relationship is between
different kinds of citizenship and American identity.
Speaker 1 (22:18):
That's Stanley Renshawn, an author and political science professor at
the City University of New York Graduate Center.
Speaker 17 (22:25):
I'm primarily interested in American national identity because that is
the glue that helps hold this country together.
Speaker 1 (22:39):
Stanley has been studying American national identity for decades and
wrote a seminal two thousand article on this subject for
this Center for Immigration Studies. It's titled Dual citizens in
America An Issue of Vast proportions and broad Significance. While
researching for this series, we found Stanley's work and have
come to the same conclusion. The road to answering the
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question what's in America inevitably leads through the topic of
dual citizenship.
Speaker 4 (23:06):
The United States does not officially recognize dual citizenship.
Speaker 1 (23:11):
A dual citizen in the US is someone who is
legally recognized as a citizen of the United States and
another country at the same time. The topic of dual
citizenship is not debated much in America, so to get
a gauge on how people feel about this topic, we
spoke to you, are loyal listeners who we affectionately call
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the fanban. We asked many of you a series of
simple questions on the topic. Do you think it's legal
for an American citizen to also be a citizen of
one or more countries. Yes, yes, I believe it is.
Speaker 18 (23:50):
I know people that have dual citizenship.
Speaker 1 (23:52):
Do you think it's legal for an American citizen to
also be a citizen of one or more other countries?
Speaker 7 (23:58):
And do I think it's legal?
Speaker 12 (23:59):
Yes, yes, yes, I've heard that people can have dual
citizenship ours.
Speaker 4 (24:05):
I know.
Speaker 1 (24:05):
I think it is legal.
Speaker 15 (24:07):
I think it is.
Speaker 11 (24:08):
It just depends on the other country.
Speaker 1 (24:10):
Everyone knew that dual citizenship existed and was legal for
an American citizen, but there were some differences of opinion
on whether dual citizenship should be allowed.
Speaker 18 (24:20):
Probably not, the thinking being that, you know, if you're
a citizen in the United States, you should probably be
loyal to the United States and you know, not too
great Britain or Zimbabwe.
Speaker 1 (24:31):
Do you think it should be allowed?
Speaker 5 (24:33):
Yes, yes, I do.
Speaker 19 (24:34):
You know, I think it's probably done worldwide with dual citizenships,
so I guess.
Speaker 5 (24:40):
I guess.
Speaker 4 (24:40):
I would say, you know, I think that that could
be allowed.
Speaker 7 (24:43):
I think it should be illegal because then there are
no border zone.
Speaker 12 (24:47):
You are sovereign to one nation.
Speaker 1 (24:48):
Do you think the dual citizenship should be allowed?
Speaker 16 (24:51):
I think so.
Speaker 20 (24:52):
I think yeah, because personally I was born in Mexico.
I became naturalized here in the US, so as far
as I know, we're still a citizen of Mexico, but
my allegiance is to the US. Once I was naturalized.
Speaker 1 (25:05):
It was a mixed bag. Most believe dual citizenship should
be allowed, others not so much.
Speaker 2 (25:10):
But then almost everyone came back together when we asked
another question whether DC politicians should be allowed to be
dual citizens?
Speaker 1 (25:19):
Do you think US senators or congress members should be
allowed to also be a citizen of a foreign country.
Speaker 4 (25:25):
No, I don't think so.
Speaker 7 (25:26):
No, it's a good question.
Speaker 20 (25:28):
I think it should be illegal.
Speaker 7 (25:29):
I don't think that is illegal, but I think it
should be illegal. I can't imagine that they could be.
I don't think it should be legal, but I don't
know whether.
Speaker 4 (25:38):
It is or it isn't.
Speaker 1 (25:39):
This question got some of you curious.
Speaker 19 (25:41):
Patrick, just out of curiosity.
Speaker 10 (25:42):
Are there many what congressmen do we have that has
got a dual citizenship?
Speaker 1 (25:47):
We're going to get into that in this show.
Speaker 4 (25:49):
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (25:50):
I don't want to like Okay, sorry, yes, no problem, okay.
And this is where the topic of dual citizenship gets shocking.
What if I told you nearly fifty percent of US
Democrat senators could be citizens of a foreign nation. Would
that surprise you? Or here's another one. What if I
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said over forty percent of US Democrats in the House
of Representatives were in the same boat. Would you think
I'm crazy? Well, if so, you'd be wrong. Both of
those statistics are correct. Red Pilled America conducted a nearly
three month analysis of every U s Senator and US
representative in the current one hundred nineteenth Congress. We checked
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their biographies, their claimed heritage, whether they spoke of themselves
as a hyphenated American like Mexican American, Jewish American, Cuban American,
Native American, and so on. We reviewed the dual citizenship
laws in the countries these politicians claimed to be connected
to ethnically, and what we learned was that forty nine
percent of Democrats in the Senate and forty three percent
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in the House were eligible to be dual citizens. And
they aren't alone. Many Republicans also fall into this category,
but we'll get to that later. The bottom line here
is that an extraordinary amount of DC politicians could be
citizens of the same foreign nations that are impacted by
the laws they pass. And here's the kicker, if they are,
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If you're representative or senator is a citizen of a
country other than America, they don't have to tell you.
It's their little secret. There are no laws currently in
place that require members of the House or Senate to
divulge whether they are citizens of a foreign country. There
have been attempts to make them fess up, but they've
gone nowhere. Does that surprise you, well, it shocked us.
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I mean, these are the people that pass and enforce
immigration laws, craft and implement our foreign policy, declare wars,
and send our hard earned tax dollars to other countries.
Shouldn't they be required to tell the American people whether
they are citizens of a foreign country. And what we
found even more surprising was with which nations are DC
politicians potentially have dual citizenship. Matching that data with our
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foreign and domestic policy z fun exercise, and we'll get
to that in upcoming episodes of this series.
Speaker 2 (28:07):
This potential dual citizenship phenomenon is not just in Washington.
Speaker 16 (28:11):
D C.
Speaker 2 (28:12):
Stanley Renshawn found that in nineteen seventy, roughly nine point
six million foreign born people were in the United States
By nineteen ninety, that number doubled to roughly twenty million
according to Pew Research. Today, that number has grown almost
two and a half times to roughly forty eight million
foreign born people in the United States, and some estimates
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put that number much higher. But that statistic is only
one way to look at the dual citizenship number in America.
Another is by dual citizenship eligibility. A Forbes report estimates
that roughly forty percent of Americans are eligible for dual
citizenship in Europe alone. That number doesn't even include places
like Mexico.
Speaker 1 (29:00):
I asked Stanley Renshaw if he received any push back
from his early articles on the topic of dual citizenship.
Speaker 4 (29:06):
I happened to.
Speaker 17 (29:07):
Be Jewish, so Jews can be dual citizens of a
country in Israel, And somebody asked me, essentially, well, you
know what about Jews, And my response is really the same,
I said, I feel the same way about Jews as
I do about any other group, which is the idea
of dual citizenship is not a positive one overall.
Speaker 4 (29:30):
For American national identity. And honestly, I don't care whether
you're Jewish or not Jewish or Irish. You're not Irish.
Speaker 17 (29:37):
The issue is the way it works for attachment and
emotional commitment.
Speaker 1 (29:45):
Hey, Fambam, we want to hear from you on this subject.
What's an American? Send us a brief audio answer to
this question and you may hear it on the show.
You can record it on your phone or however you
want to record it. Send your audio recording to our
email info at Redpilled America dot com. That's info at
red Pill America. We're looking forward to hearing what you
have to say on this Welcome back to red Pilled America.
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The existence of dual citizenship brings into questions someone's personal
connection to America. If an American citizen also has citizenship
from another country, let's say Mexico, which country are they
tied to emotionally? Political commentator Ben Shapiro was famously asked
this question, and his answer was revealing.
Speaker 18 (30:31):
Do you have if one day you'll have to flee
the United States?
Speaker 21 (30:35):
I mean, I think that every Jew throout world history
who has a brain and knows history has always wondered
if a country that is not a Jewish state is
going to eternally provide them security guarantees in full citizenship.
Of course, I mean that's I think to think that
that's why the existence of the State of Israel's is
the single greatest guaranteur of my loyalty to the United States.
Frankly right, because Israel exists, that means the United States
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is going to be more welcoming place. Or maybe because
Israel is there is a back stop in case anything
should go wrong.
Speaker 1 (31:04):
Do we all agree that an American can also have
an equal or perhaps greater allegiance with another foreign country?
Is that healthy for national unity? The Vek Ramaswami situation
illuminates this further. According to Vivek, his mother became a
naturalized US citizen, but his father retained Indian citizenship. In
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the case of the Vek, by one of his parents
remaining an Indian citizen and the other obtaining American citizenship,
which culture does Bevek feel a stronger connection to? If
we're to believe his famous H one B vsapost some
would say India. And this was a man that was
running for the White House. When the time comes, will
Vivek and his parents be buried here in the United
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States or in India? And if India, does that make
him less of an American. There are many degrees of
personal ties to American soil. Five ancestors that date back
to colonial times that fought in the American Revolution, the
Civil War, both World Wars, and in Vietnam. Does that
make me any more American than vivek Ramaswami. I also
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have grandparents that immigrated to the US at a much
later time. You can see how the topic starts to
get tricky. Both my grandparents on my dad's side came
to the US from Mexico in the nineteen twenties. They
vowed to speak English in the house so their kids
would assimilate. My dad's dad served in World War II.
My dad served in Vietnam. My nana on my mom's
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side immigrated to New York via Ireland in the early
nineteen twenties. She also served in World War Two. So
in one path I have roots that go back over
three centuries, and in the others about one hundred years.
Adriana has a different connection to America.
Speaker 2 (32:44):
Patrick often jokes about me barely making it into this country.
That my great grandmother first came here in the nineteen tens.
She brought my Grammatoni to the US. A decade later,
Grammatoni and my grandfather were both buried here in America.
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My brother served in the Iraq War, but my grandparents
on my dad's side and my dad died Mexican citizens Patrick,
Do you think that makes you more American than me?
Speaker 1 (33:15):
I'll be able to answer that before the end of
this series. This is all to say that everyone's personal
connection to America is much different. What does that tell
us about being American? As for me, I've never really
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thought of myself of being anything but an American.
Speaker 2 (33:38):
Neither have I. I don't call myself a Mexican American.
I call myself an American.
Speaker 1 (33:43):
But looking into this topic of dual citizenship has got
me to wondering, am I eligible to be a citizen
in any other countries? If so, which ones? And what
about Adriana. How easy would it be for us to
acquire citizenship in another country? Well, I think we need
to find out.
Speaker 2 (34:01):
Coming up on red Pilled America, I.
Speaker 1 (34:03):
Think this means I could pretty easily get citizenship in
these two countries.
Speaker 4 (34:07):
Where the United States.
Speaker 17 (34:08):
Dual citizenship does make a difference because of the nature
of our country, the foundations on which it's premise and
on which at rest.
Speaker 2 (34:17):
To understand why this issue of dual citizenship is at
the core of what it means to be American, we
need to go back way back to the dawn of
the sixteenth century, where a British king helped set the
stage for the creation of America.
Speaker 1 (34:32):
A Protestant movement arose that wanted to purify the Church
of England of all remaining Catholic influences. They'd come to
be known as the Puritans.
Speaker 7 (34:41):
And so when the womb of the Mayflowers conceived this
child of self governance, a polarity change in the low
power on planet Earth.
Speaker 19 (34:46):
So at a top down its bottom up, I discovered
that the National Academy of Sciences had faked a shortage
of scientists and engineers to pass the nineteen ninety Immigration Act,
which came with H one B. They spun an entire
story but we need the best and the brightest, But
it was all about money.
Speaker 2 (35:04):
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