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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Wake that ass up in the morning.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
Breakfast Club Morning, everybody is j n V Jess hilarious,
Schela mean the guy. We are the Breakfast Club. We
got a special guest in the buildings. Indeed TI tribute.
Welcome brother, Thanks having me.
Speaker 1 (00:13):
What's up y'all? Y'all?
Speaker 2 (00:15):
Congratulations They just won a Grammy twenty twenty four Grammy
for this gospel album.
Speaker 1 (00:19):
So congratulations. Yeah, three in total. Man, I'm so hype
about that and excited. You know, Uh, it wasn't needed,
but it's it's appreciated.
Speaker 3 (00:28):
Do you pray for stuff like that?
Speaker 1 (00:29):
Noah? I used to. Okay, Okay, I used to, but
I had to get my you know, uh, the reason
why I do what I do. I had to get
that in order. I had to you know, yeah, intention exactly.
Last year I was nominated for two Grammys, and I
just knew I was gonna walk away with at least one.
And when I walked away with none, it was like
a soul check for me, Like, all right, well, why
do you do what you do? Bro? You gotta just
just kind of re evaluate all of that stuff. So
(00:51):
I kind of like stopped needing it or stop wanting it.
So bad and stopped so ambitiously going for it just
to the reason why I do what I do, have
fun doing it. Bless the people, show love, give him
Christ and uh this year when I walked away with it, Yo,
we literally sat like in the back. Because the Gospels,
they don't present the gospel on the on the grammy,
we got the pre warn they could do. It was
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like nine o'clock in the morning, you know what I'm saying.
I had to wake up on early. And we went
to the pre show and it's open seating there, so
you can see anywhere you want. So my manager like, YO,
come on, let's let's go to the front. Bro. I'm like, nah, man,
I'm just gonna sit back here. We're gonna take an
l I don't like that long walk of shame. It's
too far, so let's just stay close to the exit.
So we was in the back chill, and I got
it all on video and they called on everybody's name.
(01:33):
Of course when they call my name, I was like
what because I was really content. I had to learn
really just to be content, because you know, being overly
ambitious is rob your gratitude. Then you just get on
and feel like going down that rabbit hole, so you
have to take that long walk up to the stage.
I had to take that. I was running like, oh
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my goodness, trying to figure out what I'm gonna say
on the way because I literally didn't respect to win,
but you know I was gonna beat. Had to show
them how to be a good, sore loser in christ.
Speaker 4 (02:03):
But I'm just proud of you every time you nominated.
Thirteen nomination is that crazy?
Speaker 1 (02:10):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (02:10):
So even without winning the awards, I'm like, you're recognized
like by so many to be nominated thirteen times.
Speaker 4 (02:17):
True?
Speaker 1 (02:18):
True, I love that. After a while, you just get
used to I should start celebrating the nominations, you know
what I.
Speaker 5 (02:24):
Mean, because it's a lot of people that don't make
it there either exactly or.
Speaker 1 (02:27):
You just pile up the l Yeah thirteen but I
lost them.
Speaker 4 (02:30):
No, yeah albums. Your work touched a lot of souls.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
Thank you for that, you know.
Speaker 4 (02:35):
To me, I love that.
Speaker 1 (02:37):
I love doing what I do and why I do it.
You know what I'm saying. People leave my shows, they're
not just turned up, but they got hope, you know
what I mean. They got inspiration, you know what I mean?
And they're healing and all of that's taking place. So
I love what I do and why I do it. Man,
it's a blessing.
Speaker 3 (02:51):
And you're from Camden, Camden, New Jersey, bro and you
lived there your whole life.
Speaker 1 (02:55):
Yeah, in Florida, then Houston for a year in Florida. Okay, yeah,
so growing up in Can then you know, well, if
you don't know, y'all should know here. You know New York,
y'all know about Can.
Speaker 3 (03:05):
Now to ask God why?
Speaker 1 (03:10):
So many days I have got why? But I had to.
I had to get it in the trenches. I had
to learn in the gun how to. I had to
learn how to be in the valley before you be
in the mountain. You know what I'm saying. So so
I can know what it is to struggle, so I
can know what it is to be impoverished. So I
can know what it is you know what I mean
to be underprivileged. So when it happened for me, I
could reach back and say, hey, this is how you
do it, This is how you come up and help others.
Speaker 4 (03:31):
Man.
Speaker 3 (03:31):
I think it takes people like you, because when I
see somebody like you have the success that they have
from Camden, you really don't hear a lot of good
things about Cam.
Speaker 1 (03:38):
Yeah, for real, this murder capital of the world sometime,
or the most violent city. I remember those stats growing up, like, hey,
Cam's on the map. We in the newspaper for what,
oh most violent city? You know what I mean. That's
not in Baltimore. Probably not too different. No shade to Baltimore. Love,
I love, yeah, everybody you know coming up coming out
of that, you know, I'm glad I had like the
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little family church. We had, little fifty member family church
that we had just kept us ground and kept us focused.
And I was just like tunnel vision the whole time,
and slowly but surely I just saw myself not like
my surroundings. Now, that was a challenge in itself, because
you don't know you're different until you know you different,
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And then you know you got family to deal with
and friends to deal with who are like, oh, don't
change on us, d da da da. But bro, if
I don't change, I can't help you, you know what
I'm saying. So that was a challenge for me at
a very young age, knowing I can now when I
was talented, knowing I could play, knowing I could do
music and knowing it was what's the word extraordinary, It
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wasn't just normal. So that change was a challenge, but
you know, I'm glad that all things work together were good.
Speaker 3 (04:47):
Man.
Speaker 1 (04:47):
I want to ask you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
With being a gospel singer, do you feel like it's
a lot of pressure on you where it's almost like
people look at your life differently right, Like it's almost
like they want you to be perfect. Did you have
a hard time dealing with that?
Speaker 1 (05:00):
Dealt with that before I became a gospel artist. So
speaking of growing up in this small church, my grandmother
was the pastor. First, my dad was on the organ.
I'm watching him every Sunday, like, oh my god, this
guy is amazing. I start playing. Then he became the pastor.
So I got that pressure as a PK the perfection,
all of that, all of that. I got all of
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that pressures as a young kid, like twelve nine when
I was. Since I was, since I've been born, spotlight
has been on me to be the poster child for
what Christ is. I'm like, yo, the worst why pressure though?
Speaker 3 (05:39):
Because of the damn too much hand comes leads the rebellion.
Speaker 1 (05:48):
Man, you know, what I mean that legalism and that
religious structure. It leads to like, yo, I'm not cut
out for this. I didn't sign up for this. Y'all
sign up for this, and the expectation is too much
for me. Yo, So I just rebel. People go completely
opposite of the ways that their parents bring them up
when you bring them up too strict. I came up
the same way. I had the pressure of perfection and
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I tried to live up to it until my parents
got a divorce and I'm like, WHOA. In my day
that was like, you know, it's normal now every day,
it happens every day. Back then, it was like a
culture shock for me. It shattered my whole world. I
was like, bump the church. Then, what I'm doing there?
Why am I being fable to God in it? Man?
My dad? I'm out, you know what I'm saying. That's
when I went to all the clubs, did all that stuff.
(06:31):
I didn't dance though, I just played at all the clubs.
I didn't, you know, I still didn random smoked. I
just went and played the keyboard at all the club
for like music soul Child Jill Scott. Everybody in the
Philadelphia area of the roots and all that stuff. So
I'm in there playing hymns to the beasts. They don't
even know what I'm doing. But I kind of had
my little rebellious moment during that time, just to find
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out who I am outside of y'all expectations. Man, I said,
of who y'all saying God is to me, let me
find them for myself. Let me figure out who you're
for myself. And it's been the most liberating thing. And
I've been walking in that since.
Speaker 3 (07:03):
I feel like that's a journey, and that's a formal
liberation every human has to experience in their life. You
and you should like strive to feel that.
Speaker 1 (07:11):
No literally, whether you're religious or a church or not.
Just the family, just family bond, you know what I mean.
Bloods all of that family can bind you. Bro Family
can keep you stuck in a level that you never
supposed to be in for the rest of your life.
People who love you can bind you through their care,
through their love, through their expectations, through manipulation, through emotional manipulation.
(07:32):
It's a whole lot of things that keep us from
being who we're supposed to be in this earth because
of other people's expectations and demand. So I'm all about freedom, man.
My My whole life is freedom. My whole mantra is
about freedom. So when you when you you know, contact
me or hear my music, people think it's energy. I
like to call it the spirit of freedom, man, liberating everybody,
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and you need that. When you don't know you bound,
that's the worst. When you don't know you're bound, that
is the worst. When you become used to being manipulated,
used to being controlled, used to being used. You can
either be used or loved. You can't be both. You
could either be used or love. And a lot of
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people are being used and not realizing they're not experiencing
true love man. So they just just get used to
being used, like all right, I'll do this for you,
I'll come through for you, I'll do it whenever you
call me, I'm there. And they think that's that's love.
But a lot of them are being used.
Speaker 3 (08:29):
Did a lot of those triggers resurface in your marriage
when you separated?
Speaker 1 (08:35):
Oh yeah, oh yeah, yeah. Well me and my wife separated.
It was it was it was bad, yo, it was.
It was very very bad for me because I didn't
think my whole thing when my father messed up with
my dad, I'm like, I ain't never gonna be like him.
I'm never gonna do that. No, no, no, So I
went the pride way. So my heart just really was like,
you know what I mean, I got more exposure than
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he ever got. I got more notiot than he ever got.
And I'm still ain't gonna do what he did. I'm
still letting that pride comes before a fall. And I
fell hard and I moved to La. My wife was
in Jersey. We just separated. I ain't think we will ever,
you know, get back together again. I was just out
there working on me. She was out there. She was
out there working on her, not really trying to get
(09:17):
the marriage back together. And I think when you try
to do that too soon, sometimes you damage you know,
you damage it because you just your point is just
to try to get them get back together, but not
work on you, because you still got stuff you got
to work I still have stuff I had to work on.
I still had weaknesses I had to work on. And
so I'm out there working on me. She's working on her.
I'm praying, she's praying, and God kind of just brought
(09:37):
our hearts back together. But through that whole time, I
realized my mortality, I realized my humanism, I realized my weaknesses.
I realized who I was for real, Like this religious perspective.
I became that like like now I'm a pastor, right,
But I don't say I'm a pastor. I'm just I'm
(09:58):
just a child of God with the asignment. You understand
what I'm saying. I'm a child of God who got
something to say to a certain group of people. I
don't become my assignment. You understand what I'm saying. But
that's the world today. If I were to meet you
in the street, the first thing I'll say is what
do you do? Not who are you? You understand what
I'm saying. And I think we lose who we are
and what we do. And that's what I did. I
got lost in all of that and I forgot who
(10:21):
I was.
Speaker 3 (10:22):
Now. I read that you you you battled with deep
depression during that time. Yeah, contmpleted suicide. What got you
out of that?
Speaker 1 (10:29):
Literally, what got me out of suicide initially was just people.
It was just people around me too much. I couldn't
get by myself. It was just always Literally it wasn't
my prayer life. It wasn't the Holy Goos, it was Pep,
it was physical people around me. Ty you good time
you want to eat TI. I'm like, cause y'all just
leaves like a pop these pillscause, y'all just leaves like
to try to do all this stuff. But depression is
(10:51):
a deep, deep, deep dark spirit, man, And I'm glad
that I had people around me to help me get
through that season. Man. Just all those thoughts and all
those suggestions that come to us, man, and we feel
like it's us. I love that I call them. I
call them well. I had a little series that I
called Ghostbusters, right, so, because there's other ghosts besides the
(11:15):
Holy ghosts. And if you don't differentiate what ghosts is
speaking to you, bro, you could be lost in that
whole rabbit hole of depression, suicide, stress, all of these things.
My issue is we let all these ghosts talk to us,
and we do what they say, and we take on
the moves and the and the and the attitudes of
all these voices that are speaking to us. Therapy helps,
(11:38):
counseling helps, but ultimately the spirit of God is the
only one that could really you know, deliver us and
rescue us from that man. And I had I had that.
I had that, but I was there, and I couldn't
believe I was there. I love my life, I love
my wife. I love I thought I was I thought
I was good. But then when tragedy hits you and
you just can't take it and you just feel like
you have no other option. It was really the embarrassment.
(12:01):
It was really the pride of everybody know who I am.
It really wasn't life was so hard. It was how
I saw myself and how I thought I was. So
when you just drop who you are, like yo, when
you just just just kill who you think you are, man,
just be nothing. The Bible says, uh uh, he who
seeks to save his life will lose it. But if
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you lose your life, you'll gain it. So I lost
the celebrity side of me. I lost the God's artists.
I lost I like, forget being the father, forget being
a husband, forget all these things I think I am.
I'm just I'm just tired right now. And then that's
when salvation begin to come, because.
Speaker 5 (12:37):
You really are bigger than your image, and it was
all in the image that you were living in.
Speaker 1 (12:41):
Yeah, but that's that's not that's not social media today.
You are your image today. You understand what I'm saying.
You are, you are who you post today.
Speaker 5 (12:50):
So that's why it's also a lot of suicide out
of a lot of depression, a lot more than we
see it.
Speaker 1 (12:57):
You know how challenging it is it to be to
be on social media? You understand what I'm saying. I
know some people who will never be beyond the camera
without they lashes on, or who will never get on
there without certain things. So how challenging is it to
be your authentic self on social media? I don't think
or onto the world. I don't think people are ready
to bear that nakedness, you know what I'm saying. But
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it's gonna take somebody who's understaning to be like, hey,
this is me and love me or leave me and
just run the risk of that. But I don't think
people are ready for that.
Speaker 4 (13:24):
I did that early.
Speaker 5 (13:25):
I got a little it's a little ponytail.
Speaker 1 (13:28):
It's still going around you trying to get it off.
Speaker 5 (13:32):
Yeah, I'm trying get it off now, but I'm like, yo,
that's that's when I first started, and it was out
there they put T shirt put it on T shirts
and everything.
Speaker 4 (13:39):
Like, Jess, it was a lot of I sold out,
but I was like, you know what this know you down.
Speaker 1 (13:47):
But that's what I loved about you, Jess. That's what
I love you.
Speaker 3 (13:50):
Understand what I'm saying, Jeff, don't give them right right?
Speaker 1 (13:55):
Would you do it? Though? You you admire that, but
would you do it? Would you do it.
Speaker 3 (13:59):
If I had the ponty that you would?
Speaker 1 (14:05):
Here?
Speaker 2 (14:06):
There's a picture's a picture of Charlamagne with here and
look kind of like it starts back here.
Speaker 1 (14:10):
But you never posted that. I got to see that.
Speaker 3 (14:13):
I think you and your whole situation is just a
testament to the glory of God. You, you and your
wife together.
Speaker 1 (14:18):
Now, yeah, she's right here, right behind me. Man. She
survived the car.
Speaker 3 (14:26):
Y'all been through a.
Speaker 1 (14:27):
Lot, a whole a whole, a whole lot. It seemed
like a series of unfortunate events, you know what I'm saying.
And her life, I mean, it's just it just it
just starts from I'm gonna say it starts from birth.
Everybody's life starts from but with the with growing up
with parents like I had, and she was basically fatherless,
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for a long period of time. You grow up with
a whole lot of unmet needs. You know what I mean.
You have needs as a child that you should have
met that you don't have met. Security, protection, encouragement, validation,
all of these things. We we affection. We have to
grow up without that, right, So now we got to
make the choice of either like living without it or
killing the desire period. So now we commit what we call,
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my man Tim Fletcher calls sole suicide. So you commit
sole suicide because as a child of three year old,
I need affection. I don't know I need it, but
naturally I need it. And if I don't get it,
I just killed the desire for it. So now I'm
in a relationship and I don't know how to be
affection you understand what I'm saying. Or I got kids
and I don't know how to show that because I've
been killed that. So now we're trying to like restore
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those things and trying to do it in the context
of marriage. I married her at eighteen. I was twenty one,
So that's a that's a kid. Those are kids when
I look at them ages now I'm like, man, it
was a kid, that little really little kid.
Speaker 3 (15:47):
We huh, how long y'all been together?
Speaker 1 (15:50):
Twenty eight? Now? Yeah, that twenty eight years?
Speaker 3 (15:52):
Yeah, my wife twenty six over being his wife thirty on?
Speaker 1 (15:56):
Congrass bro. So y'all know what I'm talking about. Listen.
Speaker 3 (16:00):
I relate to your story so much, even when you
talk about how you know what you saw in your
father and not wanting to be like that, yeah, and
then finding out that you became just like that later.
Do you understand?
Speaker 1 (16:11):
Do you understand? Man? That's like a that's like a
that's like a it's like a shock to your whole
to your whole system.
Speaker 4 (16:16):
Man.
Speaker 1 (16:17):
You got to do a whole lot of rewiring man.
And my thing is, I think a lot of people
know they need help. Where they go to get help
is just as important as knowing you need help. So
you know what I mean. So therapists and all that stuff,
I think that I think that's all is great. But
I like to go to the source. I like to
go to the creator, and I believe God is the
creative of all of us. If you don't turn to God, man,
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you'll get a bandon, you'll get medicated. But the real
healing is in Jesus Christ.
Speaker 3 (16:41):
I believe in God and therapy me too too, and
plant based medicine and healing and meditation.
Speaker 1 (16:47):
And I can't with you, but I feel I am
mad at you. Bro. I ain't hear the judge at all.
But you know, I just feel like when something else
becomes your source, something else is your source, you know
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what I mean. And that's the scary part to me.
I don't want another thing besides God to be my source.
Everything could be a resource. And if God leads me
to that, fine, But if I just choose it, I
could damage myself and my life and what I want
and desire to do or be in life.
Speaker 2 (17:21):
But what do you think about some of the It
seems like for a while, maybe the last ten years,
it seems like being a pastor was cool, right, So
it was like.
Speaker 1 (17:29):
Like everybody wanted to be a rapper, everybody wanted to
be a podcast host. At least, like a.
Speaker 2 (17:33):
Lot of people wanted to be a pastor for the
wrong reasons. Yeah, how do you feel about.
Speaker 1 (17:37):
That you missed that pastor? Or remember the past you know, man,
it was building them huge churches, everybody was. I think
the pastor phenomenon came from oh Man, getting money, there's
a bunch of different things.
Speaker 3 (17:54):
You can speak to them more.
Speaker 5 (17:55):
But I think getting money in the church and how
you look and how you're praised is and you forget
that he's supposed to be praised, but he praise you
and all that type of stuff.
Speaker 4 (18:05):
So yeah, I see a lot of Instagram paces out there,
but you know it is you.
Speaker 1 (18:08):
You killed that whole thing. I think a lot of
pastors were not called the pastor. They just you know, study,
you go to school and then you just become a pastor,
like you become a manager at you know, publics or
something like that. And that's that's unfortunate for a lot
of people who invest their you know, money, time, attention,
and their soul into people who they believe are literally
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called from God. I don't believe a lot of pastors are.
I think I think it's a system. Now on God,
It's a system. Everything is a system, and systems work
with or without God. So I think the institution of
church is whack. I think how church is ran is whack.
I think the religious system and structure is whack. I
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don't subscribe to it, even though I grew up in it,
I benefited from it. But I learned that God is
not the church. And once I realized whoa God? Ain't
church for me? You know what I mean? I ain't
from the streets. I'm from the church. So that was
a huge thing as well.
Speaker 3 (19:06):
It's in the Bibles say you can't even find God
in the man made.
Speaker 1 (19:09):
Why don't we read that?
Speaker 4 (19:10):
Though?
Speaker 1 (19:10):
How often do you hear that sermon?
Speaker 3 (19:12):
No?
Speaker 1 (19:12):
You hear people pastors make the people about the church.
We got the church name we Church and the church
and the bumper stick of the church.
Speaker 6 (19:22):
The church should be about the people. The church should
be about the people. But the church makes the people
about the church. So all churches now are a movement,
but they're not about the people. They're not about serving
and loving the people.
Speaker 1 (19:34):
So I just kind of pulled that. We online right now.
We're not even in the building, a physical building or
nothing like that. So Live Church, shout out to Live Church.
I love y'all so much, Live Church, Orlando. We're online
right now. And because we had an issue with a building,
and now I'm like, hold up, what's going on here?
Like do we need a bit like you understand what
I'm saying, Like in order to do what we need
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to do affect people, serve and love and minister. I'm
just looking at everything differently at this point because the
church structure has really I mean, there's a lot of
people who won't even go to church. Honestly, when the
last time y'all been to church?
Speaker 3 (20:08):
I go every Sunday on TV and go bedside Baptist.
Oh yeah, I like watching Potter's House online.
Speaker 1 (20:15):
Oh yeah, okay, wait to.
Speaker 4 (20:17):
Jump down here through and be like, no, you don't.
Speaker 1 (20:20):
Every Sunday. But why not?
Speaker 3 (20:26):
Honestly, is because it's not too many churches that speak
to my spirit. I really do like what they do
in the Potter's House. I think there's a lot of
annoying in that church from Bishop td Jake's Jake Roberts
the Truth to tore. So even when I'm in Dallas,
if I'm now on like you go today, I'll stay
just to go on like.
Speaker 1 (20:41):
This you physically go, oh absolutely, what about you?
Speaker 2 (20:44):
For me, it's I used to hate going to church
as a kid, right because Baptist Church is staying there
for or five hours, especially if somebody's getting baptized, you
got to dress up.
Speaker 4 (20:53):
So it made me.
Speaker 1 (20:54):
Not necessarily love it.
Speaker 3 (20:55):
Right.
Speaker 2 (20:56):
And I noticed that with my kids when I took
him to church, it became mature.
Speaker 1 (21:00):
I gotta get dressed. I got this.
Speaker 2 (21:01):
But now on Sunday morning, we can cook breakfast together,
sit down on the couch and watch it and it's comfortable.
They gotta get dressed. They ain't got mammy an gotta
do the kids here. Yeah, they ain't got to make
sure things are right because they got to sit there. Now,
it's not that at all. It's all about the church,
which I prefer. So yeah, we go online, you know
what I mean. And I don't have to just stick
to one church. You know, as a kid growing up
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in New York, we always had to go to Brooklyn,
the Grandma's church.
Speaker 1 (21:25):
There was no option. It was let me try something else.
Speaker 2 (21:28):
Now on TV one day, I can turn dollar next day,
I can next day, and I can get different feelings
and my kids can as well.
Speaker 1 (21:36):
So I prefer that as well too.
Speaker 3 (21:37):
Why I was, he was going to ask me.
Speaker 5 (21:40):
I was, so yeah, So I still have I still
belong to my home church in Baltimore City, Restoration Christian
Coclegia Church. And I'm not in Baltimore on Sundays anymore.
Speaker 4 (21:55):
You know, just I have to be here. I gotta
wake up three forty five in the morning.
Speaker 5 (21:57):
But even before that, I was doing shows Thursday through Sunday,
so I wasn't able to go. And if I just
try more, I can definitely get on the road to
come up here after a church because church is from
ten to twelve, ten to one sometimes.
Speaker 4 (22:11):
But I still pay my times, you know what I mean, I.
Speaker 1 (22:15):
Still give all.
Speaker 4 (22:16):
Friend, my mom's a deacon. I grew up in that church.
Speaker 5 (22:19):
It was called Holy Church of Christ when I was younger,
and my son has been Christian in that church. And
my my baby that I'm having now will go and
get Christian. I'm never I don't want to go to
another church now. I will listen to a sermon from
someone else like I listen to Sarah Jakes, you know
I will, and different podcasts as well. But I just
(22:39):
my my reason is simply just an excuse. I just
don't go to church because I travel.
Speaker 1 (22:45):
Okay, I get that. What do y'all look for when
you go to a church? What do y'all? What do
y'all look for? Like you said, everyone, don't don't touch
your soul, don't minister to your spirit.
Speaker 3 (22:55):
It's not about what I look for, It's about what
I feel got it. It's a feeling, you know what
I mean, Like you just I know what you mean,
would just speak to your soul.
Speaker 1 (23:01):
You know.
Speaker 3 (23:01):
I think, sorry, Jake's right now, Man's used to me
all the time, you know what. I just want to
listen to her podcast. So I just think some people
have an annoying on them for the moment that we
are in, and just like her father had it and
still has it, you know, of course for the current
moment that we're in.
Speaker 5 (23:21):
And then another thing. So growing up in a church
where you know, I'm so used to that back in
the day like Manson's, I don't want to go to
a big, big, big church because the pastor don't know me.
I'm used to going to talk to the past pastor
after church, going to get that individual preyer, going to
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show him what I'm struggling with and all that. As
a teenager, I was going through a lot of things,
you know what I mean. So I would be able
to go and talk to my uncle he is the bishop,
like go and talk to him and stuff like that.
But I've gone to churches where, you know, the pastor
don't even know you, and he's not even.
Speaker 4 (23:57):
Tripping off getting to know nobody.
Speaker 1 (23:59):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5 (24:00):
Yeah, he just come and he do his thing. They
sing a whole album before he started dis sermon. Yeah, yes, right,
you shout. I see people shouting. I see you know
all of that, And that's what I'm used to be.
Speaker 4 (24:11):
He's not cut. I started coming from that and then
absolutely no wood.
Speaker 3 (24:17):
I started going to church till later got you growing
for that whole going around knocking on the doors.
Speaker 1 (24:22):
How you doing? How you know? That's what I'm talking about.
That's what I'm talking time of that.
Speaker 5 (24:28):
But you got time to walk down every block and
going hand in the hamplets.
Speaker 1 (24:34):
Yeah, and too early y'all come to he came around
noon'll be so yeah, this is the personal.
Speaker 5 (24:42):
Personal has been lost, you know what I mean. And
then it becomes to the point where the the like
I said, the pastor feel like he's got Yeah, that's churches.
Speaker 1 (24:53):
And and that's what I met by churches is whacking,
because I know I went on realig whack whack wacking
church probably like you just at my church last week.
I don't mean that, I mean I mean that stuff
right there and what has become I have found it.
I have found it. I think I said the right
challenging to know everyone in my church though, I found it.
I found it challenging. I try to be personal. I
(25:15):
try to I stay after church and just I stand
at whoever want to come to me, they can talk
to me. I don't got the eighty security guards and
all that, right I standing, They can talk to me.
But it's a challenge to know everybody in the church.
Speaker 4 (25:24):
And that's a big that's because a bigger it's a bigger, bigger.
Speaker 2 (25:27):
But your new families though, like like my church, they
knew the Casey family and parents, they knew the Johnson's
and it is one of that one new family.
Speaker 1 (25:36):
Yeah yeah, yeah overall, and that means something that that
that means a lot to people. But what if you
didn't get that, does that mean that's not the church
for you? Because Moses led millions of people. I doubt
he knew you know what I mean, John Qubbos, whatever
his name was, I doubt I doubt he knew everyone,
but he was still their leader. So I try to
look at it from a lot of perspectives. You know
what I mean, and make sure people are coming for
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the right reason and make sure or the pastor is
there for.
Speaker 2 (26:01):
Let me ask you a question. Right, So, growing up
in Queen's I went to Catholic school. Right, my zone
school is the worst. So my parents was making me
go to Catholic school. I wasn't going to Andrew Jackson.
But I noticed in Catholic school as a kid, Catholic schools.
Speaker 1 (26:12):
Thirty thirty minutes, maybe thirty five. You are out of there.
Speaker 2 (26:15):
It's I mean, didn't gone, I'm back home. Baptist church
is three hours, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (26:22):
So we want to say but it's the point.
Speaker 2 (26:24):
As a kid, you know, you you feel like I
get everything I needed in this thirty minutes. I don't
need this in three and a half hours. I always
wonder like why is the church so long? Because you know,
you got announcements, then you get passed it. You're gonna
pass it around twice, and then since then so and
so got to talk about.
Speaker 4 (26:40):
And if you don't give up on the first off,
we almost.
Speaker 1 (26:47):
Almost they double back, you know what I mean. And
I think that's part of it why it's so long. Yeah,
I think churches have changed since then. I don't think
churches is three hours like that anymore. I mean not
she I think it's like nothing I've seen she going in.
I've seen church tructures like ninety minutes. You know what
(27:08):
I'm saying. They try to be more mindful of that.
And the more you know, current churches and stuff like that,
they try to do, they try to cut that down
a little bit. But I think the reason is people
just have a lot of expression. Man, they got a
lot of They got a lot to say, they got
a lot to get out. You understand I'm saying. I
hated the law churches. I grew up Pentecostal Pentecostal church.
What three hours? That's it. We're just getting right, yo.
(27:30):
Three When you said three hours, like what, man, we
just getting started. We had nothing else to do. Why
you had no social media? Sundays was for God. So
we was gonna stay all Sunday. So after the five
hours center back, after the five hour service service, come on,
(27:51):
you better stay for that second we got people coming.
I hated that, but I'm so glad it was like
that for me as a remember young you understand what
I'm saying. I'm so glad. It was like that for
me because it just kept me from a whole lot.
You like Michael Willis, Yeah, Chris rock a lot and uh,
(28:15):
I don't know who Michael k Willi soon.
Speaker 3 (28:18):
You got a similar energy.
Speaker 1 (28:21):
Yeah, I never met him, very energetic. I never met him.
Maybe we need to hook up with something like that.
Oh yeah, he dad, he done. Oh I don't know. Okay,
I guess I can. I guess I can. I guess
I can't. Don't give, don't get, don't give me the
dog the other day, I'm sorry, I didn't know. I
don't know. I'm trying to cut him on. He's met
brom y'all will connect one day if you believe you again.
Speaker 3 (28:48):
Done is true that you worked on justin Timberlakes Crime.
Speaker 1 (28:53):
River, Yeah, I worked on I was. We was in
the Root Studio again, growing up in the Philly Camden,
Philly area. We did our first album at the at
the Root Studio. Crazy how we got signed to. Vivian
Green is like an R and B soul artist, And
she was doing the showcase for Tommy Mottola and Donnie
Ironer and the Matt Sony and she said, tie, you
(29:13):
know I was like her cousin at the time. We
were real close. Tie. I want you to m D
my show case. I know, even asked me this. I'm
just taking on you know, you know, I want you
to MD my showcase. I said, all right, Bet, I
got a little couple of people from the choir, a
couple of people from the band. We just put together
a little show for viv So, speaking of energy and
all that, we in there with Tommy Mattola and Donnie
Iron and all these people at Columbia, and I'm just
(29:34):
a young you know, I'm just playing. I'm I'm like
this all the time. If I'm playing, I'm like this,
you know what I mean. Everything is energetic. So they like,
we love Vivian Green, we're gonna sign her to Columbia,
and we're gonna sign this guy right here. Who's that?
And it was like, oh, no, no, no, no, that's that's a
that's a gospel guy. You know, he does choir and
stuff like that. We're signing Vivian and we're signing the
gospel guy.
Speaker 3 (29:54):
I was like, what.
Speaker 1 (29:55):
Within ninety days we had a contract at our crib
from Columbia Records. No demo, black and white, no, no
profile picture, no nothing, and we got signed to Columbia.
Uh nah, she got her deal. I got my deal.
So my first album came out under Columbia Records called
Life because because of that that moment right there, I'm like, well,
(30:15):
God is really real, you know what I mean. I mean,
you could say being in the right place at the
right time, but I believe in the favor of God.
And so we're doing our album in the Root studio.
James Poyser shout out. James Poyser was a producer on that.
He's with the Roots. Now you're seing on Jimmy Fallon
every night and uh in the Root studio they had
the plant based you know stuff going on every single day.
(30:41):
Ge he was in there. We was in there getting contact,
you'll try to sing the praises of the Lord and
just being in that environment. Then the Roots is like, oh,
you know, why don't you do this such as us
coming to the studio, such as us coming to the studio,
such and such. We just became the choir for like
everybody who came. So we're on Jessica Simpsons Christmas album
and we're on uh so many albums as background singers.
(31:02):
So Timberland came through and we just caught a vibe Timberland.
We were just in there, just vibing. Tim just put
a beat on it. We were just in there playing.
I love working with Tim. Tim. We could ever do
that again, bro, Yeah, please, let's look that up. So
we was in there vibing the crimea River. He said,
I got this Humble Justice. So I'm in there like, okay,
dude and dud dude. So that's me playing that literally
(31:27):
on the world it sir, that's literally literally me. And
then the backgrounds on there and me and my girl
Marshall from Flower Tree did the background. Yeah, ain't she amazing? Yo,
shout out Marsha, I love you girl.
Speaker 5 (31:39):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (31:39):
We did the backgrounds to that. And so just when
it came out and we listened to it and it's
everywhere since seventy eleven and said why were like, oh my,
that's us, that's us. Shut up boy, now to be
twenty dollars you know what I mean. I'm like, wait, yes,
that's give me at did you get pay for it
(32:00):
the right way? Oh damn, I got two thousand dollars
for the past o. Man, you don't do the past.
Speaker 3 (32:08):
Yeah, I know you cried you a river, that's all
you got that Murphy dollars for river.
Speaker 1 (32:17):
Yeah, I got two thousand dollars for that, But you
played I played it with this song.
Speaker 3 (32:23):
That's what everybody knows.
Speaker 4 (32:24):
That's when what you hear.
Speaker 1 (32:26):
That's what you look for before anybody else. They don't
take care of the past him. It was, it was,
it was, it was. Yeah, But you know, I didn't
know the business at the time, and I was so
hyped to get two thousand dollars. I didn't know what
to do. Y'all think got treated everybody to a fry
at McDonald's. Everybody, you understand what I'm saying. So I
(32:47):
was just so hyped, but I didn't know the business then,
So I don't got no hard feelings about Yeah. Yeah,
you can go check it out. Go check out the credit.
Check the credits, Go check the credit.
Speaker 5 (32:55):
You know what you give it Chris Rock, Yes, go
check the credit. Show Yeah, it's definitely I see it now.
Speaker 1 (33:04):
But yeah, that now did a whole lot, the whole
What is that? What did you do with usher? I'ven
know what, I don't think, I mean, says toured with us,
I don't know.
Speaker 5 (33:16):
If you work, you gotta be specific.
Speaker 1 (33:19):
Yeah, yeah, what you do? What I should hold up
in the church for a second, we might have been
on the same program. I didn't do anything. We didn't
do you know. I love to be usher man. That's
that's the homie. Yes, come on, don't be with the
right don't don't right now?
Speaker 5 (33:39):
Every day with the niggas yo every day, So I'm like,
what are you talking about?
Speaker 1 (33:44):
It's a lot. That's a lot to go because you
don't never know what they go.
Speaker 3 (33:48):
You got to tell you congratulations. Let me get you
out of here. You're get in some trouble.
Speaker 1 (33:56):
Last year Reunion tour was was last year. It was amazing.
I did All Things New tour and in the spring and
then I did the Reunion Tour in the fall winter.
It was it was an amazing, dude that with Kirk and
h Clark, sisters, Israel, David and Tambla man, that was
incredible my first arena tour. Never did that before, so
I'm like to hear the songs with all them people.
It was just it was it was surreal. So we're
doing it again this year. I'm going out May June
(34:20):
on the only one night though tour, only one night though.
That's my new single that's out only one night though,
and the tour is going May June. I'm telling y'all,
I have uh a second win of some sort. I
don't have a second, third, or fourth whatever, but I
have this, this momentum behind me right now, and I
(34:41):
am so excited to get out there and do this music.
I got new music coming, book, coming podcasts, all this
stuff is coming, you know, off the hinges of the Grammy.
And it's just a good season for me right now. Yes,
I want everybody to come what he's great man record
on quick.
Speaker 4 (34:58):
Let me just say this, So what you did for
me growing up is to your music. You you didn't
make it.
Speaker 1 (35:07):
You like you.
Speaker 5 (35:08):
You and Kirk Franklin was the first two men that
did not make listening in the gospel boring, yo, because
like me, growing up with a deaconess as a mom,
and you know, my daddy was a little bit more lenient,
you know, but we had to go to church and
a little bit playing to what he was saying, like
we had to. I had to get the stiff ponytail
with the bullyball, you know. He wasn't really long, so
(35:31):
when I moved it didn't you know.
Speaker 1 (35:33):
So I'm like, I don't want.
Speaker 5 (35:34):
To go here, you know. And I had the little
church socks and all that, the ones that Jermaine the
Free had on at the You know, I will always
do that, you know, like you when when my mom
would put you on, she would put she will put
you on just so we can get excited to go
to church. Wow, So that is really something crazy. You
and Kirk Franklin, y'all the only two my mom be like,
(35:56):
all right, all right, and then she knew how to
play some other people when we were going too much.
So I was like, I don't want to listen to
much then, but but to get us in the mood
to go to church, Tripp and Kirk Franklin, that's what.
Speaker 3 (36:08):
That's what I love about you or the song you
remember the.
Speaker 1 (36:11):
No way I can't even then You're going to the animal,
I know, you know, not what you say strike them
down heart.
Speaker 4 (36:32):
That strike him down a lord.
Speaker 1 (36:37):
Do you think people have my times?
Speaker 5 (36:38):
I know?
Speaker 1 (36:39):
But do you think people have a problem with God?
Speaker 3 (36:42):
No? No, no, I mean.
Speaker 1 (36:44):
Most people I know. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (36:47):
My whole life has been God fearing but see, I
think that I think that you have to show improve
that through actions, you know what I'm saying. I think
it's one thing to say, oh, I believe in God,
I love God. But do you really try to at
least scribe to move the way God would want you
to move.
Speaker 1 (37:04):
I think that's the difficult Okay. So it's not the
it's not the it's not the it's not the belief.
It's the behavior.
Speaker 2 (37:12):
Yes, I think, yeah, sometimes it's the behavior of the messenger.
Speaker 1 (37:16):
What you mean.
Speaker 2 (37:17):
Somebody will say I have an assignment, right like you said,
I have an assignment. And maybe your assignment is to
help Jess in her situation and her problems, and maybe
you do, but then you as a person, it's not
coming from the perspective of somebody giving assignment, you see
what I'm saying. So let's say, if you're here to
help Jess in her life and whatever it may be,
but you know you cheating on your wife with Charlamagne.
Speaker 1 (37:39):
It's it's I look at it as that's example, but.
Speaker 5 (37:44):
I just look at it as it's not gonna be
the thing.
Speaker 2 (37:50):
But I look at it as you're giving assignment. But
the person giving assignment is not living the life that
But that's what a little bit that's what makes me
hard to see because you're giving the excitement, but you're
not living, right.
Speaker 1 (38:02):
It's like, are you really giving it? Nobody around Jesus
living that's all about to say, like your's your teacher
living algebra? Like you know what I'm saying, Can somebody
get can somebody give you information that will help you?
That's still flawed? Right? But sometimes it's like it is
that information true?
Speaker 2 (38:21):
If you're out there selling crack every night, giving crack
TI you, you might be felty and saving me, but
then you're killing a hundred others. It's like, is this
coming from God? Or is that coming from a negative evil?
Speaker 1 (38:33):
The devil? You know what I'm saying. So it's kind
of I got you hard to trust it, operate and
trust it.
Speaker 3 (38:36):
But that's a decernment coming in exactly.
Speaker 1 (38:39):
So you need the spirit as well, you know what
I'm saying. That's what I think. So when I say
how you feel about God? I was going to ask
how you feel about all of that? You said you're
too growing for the holy cost? But playing I know
what you're saying.
Speaker 4 (38:51):
In some people, some people do they.
Speaker 1 (38:53):
Get most, do most most most and seeing.
Speaker 3 (38:56):
Them harlem shake, I'm like making you harlem shaking.
Speaker 1 (39:00):
I cut it out. Man embrace. I think most embrace
the culture of church, but not the Christ of them,
you know, not Christ. So I think that's that's the
issue as well. I think when you when you try
to move without the spirit of God, not just the
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word of God, but the spirit of God. This is
this is where personal relationship comes in. When you try
to move or live your life without the spirit of God.
That is your God, that is your direction. Holy goes
to the Bible said, the Holy Spirit comes to lead and
to guide us into all truth. So there's a lot
of wisdom and truth that we forfeit by not being
led by the Spirit of God, by being led by Google,
(39:43):
by being led by other things like that. Even a therapist,
I will add, the Bible says, add to your faith, knowledge,
but add to your faith. I think we let knowledge
replace our faith, we let counsel replace our faith. Every
new information you get as a believer should add to
your faith, and that comes through the discernment and knowing the
(40:04):
Spirit of God. So take the time to develop that
relationship with God like this sounds crazy, but Lord, all right,
let me pray. You know what I mean, whatever it is,
take that time to develop. It's your protection, you know
what I mean, from the wolves in sheep's clothing. It's
your protection from wrong relationships and dating the wrong person.
God knows all, He knows the person you're dealing with.
(40:25):
He knows the thoughts and the intents of and the
motives of the people you're dealing with. So the Holy
Spirit is a cheat cold to help us deal with life,
to right to make the right business decisions, to make
the right decisions for our children, because this child is
different from this one. I can't do that on my own.
So when you allow the Holy Spirit to be elite
and your God, I mean, your way will be prosperous.
(40:48):
The Bible says so, and you'll be protected because everybody
is for themselves in this world. And there as much
evil in darkness as you know, as you said, even
in clergy collars. Yo, And I'm tired of it. My
wife and I are going to work on I think
a podcast or something called Flipping Tables, just to kind
of like not to expose nobody, nothing like that, but like, hey, y'all,
you know what I'm saying. This is choreography. Praise is
(41:10):
not it. You know what I'm saying. We want people
to get relationship and not religion. Man, So if anything
I'll leave y'all, it will be that, please please please
take a prayer. Oh prayer? Okay, but you want to prayer?
Speaker 4 (41:24):
Yeah, I'm you ain't worrying about what we did twenty
four hours ago.
Speaker 5 (41:29):
Wow, because a cigarette outside.
Speaker 1 (41:33):
You want to ask that, you want to ask where
I was last night before you received my prayer?
Speaker 4 (41:36):
You can pray for me in the corner.
Speaker 1 (41:38):
Thank you, thank you, thank you. I guess that is
important because we never saw presidents or we never saw
Obama or his family partying. Yeah, because he had to
be the president, you know what I'm saying. I'm saying
so it's very important as the leaders what your image
is to the people. But part of it to me,
I don't know. Maybe because I'm.
Speaker 3 (41:56):
Always found God in the most unlikely places.
Speaker 1 (41:58):
What you mean by that?
Speaker 3 (41:59):
Because he's a in the most I'm just saying I
understand what n be saying. But I think sometimes you
will miss a message from God because you appearance or
not the messenger, you know. Yeah, And sometimes that's who
God is working through.
Speaker 1 (42:14):
That's what they did with Jesus. They was like, who
this guy that ain't the Savior, That's not him. They
missed the Savior of the world still to this day
because of how he was presented. So, but I think
you have to know him to see him and things.
You can see him in the most unlikely places because
you know him. Well.
Speaker 3 (42:32):
If you know God and you, you'll recognize them and
everybody else exactly.
Speaker 1 (42:34):
I can see him in movies, comic but I can
see him on his wall. I can see anywhere because
I know him. So nothing from without can defile you.
Always was taking. You can't go to clubs or when
we grew up, you couldn't go to nothing. We couldn't
go to movies, we couldn't go bowling, we couldn't play
basketball because there was this drinks, there is that and that. Whatever.
I can say, what's wrong with bowling? Jesus shut out?
(43:00):
I got it. I didn't know. I just saw but he.
Speaker 4 (43:07):
Yeah, that's what I'm saying that.
Speaker 1 (43:11):
But I had to learn nothing from without can defile you.
If it's in you, it's in you. If you ratchet,
you don't need music to that. You know what I'm saying,
It only exposes what's allready in you. So we got
to change and challenge what's in us. Absolutely.
Speaker 3 (43:28):
I got one last question because you made me think,
let's do this conversation me and just had when they
had the New Year's Eve thing and they did the
swag surf in the church.
Speaker 1 (43:35):
Thank you all for having me. Man appreciate it very much.
Speaker 5 (43:38):
Clowned out, tell them what you're thought, tell them passed
what you're throwing up here.
Speaker 3 (43:42):
I didn't think it was anything wrong with it because
my whole thing was they doing it outside the church anyway,
you know what I mean. So if you're having a
and it wasn't like it was a regular church service,
it was new partying, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (43:55):
Yeah, what did you think?
Speaker 4 (43:58):
Lot of plans were very much sorry about that.
Speaker 1 (44:00):
But you said all of them were clown everybody.
Speaker 5 (44:02):
Was clowns because that was the explicit version being played,
just like I said Charlamagne, and I'm like, no, I
didn't grow up like that in church. Like it's just
certain things you don't play with. You can swag and
surf one day. Even if he disagreed, I don't get Yeah,
I still think that it was clowned dollar.
Speaker 1 (44:17):
No, I agree with you, and that the lyrics was like, yeah,
I couldn't believe.
Speaker 5 (44:22):
I was hearing that all day, but yeah, I got
patron on my yah, girl got a bad behind me
and a friend by right.
Speaker 1 (44:30):
But they didn't explicit I think that was a mistake
in production or something like that. I don't think that
was intentional.
Speaker 4 (44:37):
I think it was very much intentional because you think
it was.
Speaker 3 (44:40):
It was the youth, a little youth, you faster.
Speaker 4 (44:43):
And yes, and was like, you know what, I'm gonna
just play this by mistake on purpose.
Speaker 2 (44:46):
But if it was the clean version, was a clean version,
you'd have been okay with it. You can swag surfing church,
but why does that have to be to the song.
We can swag surf to It's harums. So we can
swag surf to the Kirk Franklin and the little baby
you on that. We can swag surf to something. We
can swag surf the silence. We made it into another year.
Go to the club after you get out. God bless
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you here, all right.
Speaker 1 (45:08):
Do what you do so how you feel about just
the instrumental that's cool. You can put whatever words on
top of it you want, but you like the lyrics
and everything and there. I didn't have a problem with it, man,
because you know they're gonna listen to it anyway outside
and it's just a dirty version.
Speaker 3 (45:24):
In my mind, I'm like, whoever was in that church
that night is coming back, and to me that's more important.
Speaker 1 (45:30):
If she was in that church, she wouldn't come back.
I definitely wouldn't.
Speaker 4 (45:32):
Even I don't write in the middle.
Speaker 1 (45:34):
I think the church I'm the wildest, craziest I'm with
every day, I swaged whatever. I still think that the
church should have something a sacred.
Speaker 5 (45:43):
Like what they met people will they don't take that
and they run with that though I'm not with that.
Speaker 1 (45:50):
Nobody, no nobody met. If Jesus met somebody where they were,
he literally went to them, like when they come to church,
they meeting you where you are.
Speaker 3 (46:00):
For the club, that is what you're saying.
Speaker 1 (46:04):
You say that, I'm saying that they should be across
the street from the trip club so that when they
come out, not inside club. I have been to a
strip club, I am yeah, yeah, you have. I have
been to club.
Speaker 4 (46:20):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (46:21):
It was a birth what birthday was? And I'm forty eight.
Now I just wanted. It was one of them New
Years when I was like, forget the church, I'm going,
I'm going there. I did not enjoy. I went one
time in my entire lit to pray over the girls.
I didn't pray over them, No, I didn't. I didn't pray.
I prayed over myself more than anything. Yeah, like I did.
Speaker 3 (46:38):
Huh why did you like it?
Speaker 1 (46:40):
Oh? Man, for real?
Speaker 3 (46:43):
Your wife?
Speaker 5 (46:44):
No?
Speaker 1 (46:44):
No, no, no, how I didn't enjoy. I didn't enjoy.
I have never talked about this in my life, I said,
people who know before I have. I didn't enjoy the performers.
What state was it? Florida? Should have went to Atlanta.
No Florida, you mean Florida crazy would do especially in Miami. Yeah.
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So I didn't enjoy. I didn't enjoy the performers, and
I was like, this is why I don't belonger. Yeah,
booby trap wasn't went back then. It's okay. Professionally, I
think I think God was like, you got it out
of your good little private moment and you strang. So
this is what you wanted, did you? I'm like, man,
this is not four and five that night all God
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knew what he was doing. I never I never ever
desired to go back. Ever. It was horrible, bro, it
was horrible. Man. Can you pray for the stupid show?
First of all, thank y'all for being like cultural leaders.
Speaker 5 (47:51):
Man.
Speaker 1 (47:51):
I appreciate what y'all do for for for the culture.
It's amazing what y'all do here. Thank you for keeping
it positive and you crazy. Y'all all crazy, but that's
who we are, and we're not a shame to who
we are. Let's pray for a minute. Thank you, Okay,
Father God, I thank you for this opportunity to just
to pray over these blessed people in this show. I
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pray now, God that you just continue to be our
guide and our lead. There are so many needs just
in this room, and so many needs of people that
are listening. We can't solve every need. We don't know
every need, but you promise to supply every need. So
I pray from emotions to finances, to mental health, to
physical health to relational security, I pray that you just
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supply every need. Once we're in scarcity and we need,
we get desperate and we do things that's not even
in our character. So may we never be insecure, and
may we never lack anything. And when we never fear,
perfect love, cast out all fear. Fill us with your
perfect love today, and we won't fear anything. We won't
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fear the enemy, we won't feel the way of the world.
We won't fear anything because we are loved by you.
Let everybody know for a masurrety that they are loved,
crazy and all baselating in all not. Whatever whatever state
we're in, it does not disqualify us from your everlasting love.
So embrace us with that today. In the name of Jesus.
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Bless everyone, Blessed Charlamagne, bless Envy, blessed Jess. Bless this show. God.
Let it be a beacon of light and a beacon
of hope to everyone who listens. Let me put a
smile on people's face, put joy in their heart and
happiness in their day. I thank you for the opportunity
to pray over this, and I pray in Jesus' name
that it prospers in Jesus' name. Amen, Hey, I love
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y'all so much. Man, wake that ass up in the morning.
Breakfast Club
Wake that ass up in the morning.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
Breakfast Club Morning, everybody is j n V Jess hilarious,
Schela mean the guy. We are the Breakfast Club. We
got a special guest in the buildings. Indeed TI tribute.
Welcome brother, Thanks having me.
Speaker 1 (00:13):
What's up y'all? Y'all?
Speaker 2 (00:15):
Congratulations They just won a Grammy twenty twenty four Grammy
for this gospel album.
Speaker 1 (00:19):
So congratulations. Yeah, three in total. Man, I'm so hype
about that and excited. You know, Uh, it wasn't needed,
but it's it's appreciated.
Speaker 3 (00:28):
Do you pray for stuff like that?
Speaker 1 (00:29):
Noah? I used to. Okay, Okay, I used to, but
I had to get my you know, uh, the reason
why I do what I do. I had to get
that in order. I had to you know, yeah, intention exactly.
Last year I was nominated for two Grammys, and I
just knew I was gonna walk away with at least one.
And when I walked away with none, it was like
a soul check for me, Like, all right, well, why
do you do what you do? Bro? You gotta just
just kind of re evaluate all of that stuff. So
(00:51):
I kind of like stopped needing it or stop wanting it.
So bad and stopped so ambitiously going for it just
to the reason why I do what I do, have
fun doing it. Bless the people, show love, give him
Christ and uh this year when I walked away with it, Yo,
we literally sat like in the back. Because the Gospels,
they don't present the gospel on the on the grammy,
we got the pre warn they could do. It was
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like nine o'clock in the morning, you know what I'm saying.
I had to wake up on early. And we went
to the pre show and it's open seating there, so
you can see anywhere you want. So my manager like, YO,
come on, let's let's go to the front. Bro. I'm like, nah, man,
I'm just gonna sit back here. We're gonna take an
l I don't like that long walk of shame. It's
too far, so let's just stay close to the exit.
So we was in the back chill, and I got
it all on video and they called on everybody's name.
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Of course when they call my name, I was like
what because I was really content. I had to learn
really just to be content, because you know, being overly
ambitious is rob your gratitude. Then you just get on
and feel like going down that rabbit hole, so you
have to take that long walk up to the stage.
I had to take that. I was running like, oh
(01:53):
my goodness, trying to figure out what I'm gonna say
on the way because I literally didn't respect to win,
but you know I was gonna beat. Had to show
them how to be a good, sore loser in christ.
Speaker 4 (02:03):
But I'm just proud of you every time you nominated.
Thirteen nomination is that crazy?
Speaker 1 (02:10):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (02:10):
So even without winning the awards, I'm like, you're recognized
like by so many to be nominated thirteen times.
Speaker 4 (02:17):
True?
Speaker 1 (02:18):
True, I love that. After a while, you just get
used to I should start celebrating the nominations, you know
what I.
Speaker 5 (02:24):
Mean, because it's a lot of people that don't make
it there either exactly or.
Speaker 1 (02:27):
You just pile up the l Yeah thirteen but I
lost them.
Speaker 4 (02:30):
No, yeah albums. Your work touched a lot of souls.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
Thank you for that, you know.
Speaker 4 (02:35):
To me, I love that.
Speaker 1 (02:37):
I love doing what I do and why I do it.
You know what I'm saying. People leave my shows, they're
not just turned up, but they got hope, you know
what I mean. They got inspiration, you know what I mean?
And they're healing and all of that's taking place. So
I love what I do and why I do it. Man,
it's a blessing.
Speaker 3 (02:51):
And you're from Camden, Camden, New Jersey, bro and you
lived there your whole life.
Speaker 1 (02:55):
Yeah, in Florida, then Houston for a year in Florida. Okay, yeah,
so growing up in Can then you know, well, if
you don't know, y'all should know here. You know New York,
y'all know about Can.
Speaker 3 (03:05):
Now to ask God why?
Speaker 1 (03:10):
So many days I have got why? But I had to.
I had to get it in the trenches. I had
to learn in the gun how to. I had to
learn how to be in the valley before you be
in the mountain. You know what I'm saying. So so
I can know what it is to struggle, so I
can know what it is to be impoverished. So I
can know what it is you know what I mean
to be underprivileged. So when it happened for me, I
could reach back and say, hey, this is how you
do it, This is how you come up and help others.
Speaker 4 (03:31):
Man.
Speaker 3 (03:31):
I think it takes people like you, because when I
see somebody like you have the success that they have
from Camden, you really don't hear a lot of good
things about Cam.
Speaker 1 (03:38):
Yeah, for real, this murder capital of the world sometime,
or the most violent city. I remember those stats growing up, like, hey,
Cam's on the map. We in the newspaper for what,
oh most violent city? You know what I mean. That's
not in Baltimore. Probably not too different. No shade to Baltimore. Love,
I love, yeah, everybody you know coming up coming out
of that, you know, I'm glad I had like the
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little family church. We had, little fifty member family church
that we had just kept us ground and kept us focused.
And I was just like tunnel vision the whole time,
and slowly but surely I just saw myself not like
my surroundings. Now, that was a challenge in itself, because
you don't know you're different until you know you different,
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And then you know you got family to deal with
and friends to deal with who are like, oh, don't
change on us, d da da da. But bro, if
I don't change, I can't help you, you know what
I'm saying. So that was a challenge for me at
a very young age, knowing I can now when I
was talented, knowing I could play, knowing I could do
music and knowing it was what's the word extraordinary, It
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wasn't just normal. So that change was a challenge, but
you know, I'm glad that all things work together were good.
Speaker 3 (04:47):
Man.
Speaker 1 (04:47):
I want to ask you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
With being a gospel singer, do you feel like it's
a lot of pressure on you where it's almost like
people look at your life differently right, Like it's almost
like they want you to be perfect. Did you have
a hard time dealing with that?
Speaker 1 (05:00):
Dealt with that before I became a gospel artist. So
speaking of growing up in this small church, my grandmother
was the pastor. First, my dad was on the organ.
I'm watching him every Sunday, like, oh my god, this
guy is amazing. I start playing. Then he became the pastor.
So I got that pressure as a PK the perfection,
all of that, all of that. I got all of
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that pressures as a young kid, like twelve nine when
I was. Since I was, since I've been born, spotlight
has been on me to be the poster child for
what Christ is. I'm like, yo, the worst why pressure though?
Speaker 3 (05:39):
Because of the damn too much hand comes leads the rebellion.
Speaker 1 (05:48):
Man, you know, what I mean that legalism and that
religious structure. It leads to like, yo, I'm not cut
out for this. I didn't sign up for this. Y'all
sign up for this, and the expectation is too much
for me. Yo, So I just rebel. People go completely
opposite of the ways that their parents bring them up
when you bring them up too strict. I came up
the same way. I had the pressure of perfection and
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I tried to live up to it until my parents
got a divorce and I'm like, WHOA. In my day
that was like, you know, it's normal now every day,
it happens every day. Back then, it was like a
culture shock for me. It shattered my whole world. I
was like, bump the church. Then, what I'm doing there?
Why am I being fable to God in it? Man?
My dad? I'm out, you know what I'm saying. That's
when I went to all the clubs, did all that stuff.
(06:31):
I didn't dance though, I just played at all the clubs.
I didn't, you know, I still didn random smoked. I
just went and played the keyboard at all the club
for like music soul Child Jill Scott. Everybody in the
Philadelphia area of the roots and all that stuff. So
I'm in there playing hymns to the beasts. They don't
even know what I'm doing. But I kind of had
my little rebellious moment during that time, just to find
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out who I am outside of y'all expectations. Man, I said,
of who y'all saying God is to me, let me
find them for myself. Let me figure out who you're
for myself. And it's been the most liberating thing. And
I've been walking in that since.
Speaker 3 (07:03):
I feel like that's a journey, and that's a formal
liberation every human has to experience in their life. You
and you should like strive to feel that.
Speaker 1 (07:11):
No literally, whether you're religious or a church or not.
Just the family, just family bond, you know what I mean.
Bloods all of that family can bind you. Bro Family
can keep you stuck in a level that you never
supposed to be in for the rest of your life.
People who love you can bind you through their care,
through their love, through their expectations, through manipulation, through emotional manipulation.
(07:32):
It's a whole lot of things that keep us from
being who we're supposed to be in this earth because
of other people's expectations and demand. So I'm all about freedom, man.
My My whole life is freedom. My whole mantra is
about freedom. So when you when you you know, contact
me or hear my music, people think it's energy. I
like to call it the spirit of freedom, man, liberating everybody,
(07:53):
and you need that. When you don't know you bound,
that's the worst. When you don't know you're bound, that
is the worst. When you become used to being manipulated,
used to being controlled, used to being used. You can
either be used or loved. You can't be both. You
could either be used or love. And a lot of
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people are being used and not realizing they're not experiencing
true love man. So they just just get used to
being used, like all right, I'll do this for you,
I'll come through for you, I'll do it whenever you
call me, I'm there. And they think that's that's love.
But a lot of them are being used.
Speaker 3 (08:29):
Did a lot of those triggers resurface in your marriage
when you separated?
Speaker 1 (08:35):
Oh yeah, oh yeah, yeah. Well me and my wife separated.
It was it was it was bad, yo, it was.
It was very very bad for me because I didn't
think my whole thing when my father messed up with
my dad, I'm like, I ain't never gonna be like him.
I'm never gonna do that. No, no, no, So I
went the pride way. So my heart just really was like,
you know what I mean, I got more exposure than
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he ever got. I got more notiot than he ever got.
And I'm still ain't gonna do what he did. I'm
still letting that pride comes before a fall. And I
fell hard and I moved to La. My wife was
in Jersey. We just separated. I ain't think we will ever,
you know, get back together again. I was just out
there working on me. She was out there. She was
out there working on her, not really trying to get
(09:17):
the marriage back together. And I think when you try
to do that too soon, sometimes you damage you know,
you damage it because you just your point is just
to try to get them get back together, but not
work on you, because you still got stuff you got
to work I still have stuff I had to work on.
I still had weaknesses I had to work on. And
so I'm out there working on me. She's working on her.
I'm praying, she's praying, and God kind of just brought
(09:37):
our hearts back together. But through that whole time, I
realized my mortality, I realized my humanism, I realized my weaknesses.
I realized who I was for real, Like this religious perspective.
I became that like like now I'm a pastor, right,
But I don't say I'm a pastor. I'm just I'm
(09:58):
just a child of God with the asignment. You understand
what I'm saying. I'm a child of God who got
something to say to a certain group of people. I
don't become my assignment. You understand what I'm saying. But
that's the world today. If I were to meet you
in the street, the first thing I'll say is what
do you do? Not who are you? You understand what
I'm saying. And I think we lose who we are
and what we do. And that's what I did. I
got lost in all of that and I forgot who
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I was.
Speaker 3 (10:22):
Now. I read that you you you battled with deep
depression during that time. Yeah, contmpleted suicide. What got you
out of that?
Speaker 1 (10:29):
Literally, what got me out of suicide initially was just people.
It was just people around me too much. I couldn't
get by myself. It was just always Literally it wasn't
my prayer life. It wasn't the Holy Goos, it was Pep,
it was physical people around me. Ty you good time
you want to eat TI. I'm like, cause y'all just
leaves like a pop these pillscause, y'all just leaves like
to try to do all this stuff. But depression is
(10:51):
a deep, deep, deep dark spirit, man, And I'm glad
that I had people around me to help me get
through that season. Man. Just all those thoughts and all
those suggestions that come to us, man, and we feel
like it's us. I love that I call them. I
call them well. I had a little series that I
called Ghostbusters, right, so, because there's other ghosts besides the
(11:15):
Holy ghosts. And if you don't differentiate what ghosts is
speaking to you, bro, you could be lost in that
whole rabbit hole of depression, suicide, stress, all of these things.
My issue is we let all these ghosts talk to us,
and we do what they say, and we take on
the moves and the and the and the attitudes of
all these voices that are speaking to us. Therapy helps,
(11:38):
counseling helps, but ultimately the spirit of God is the
only one that could really you know, deliver us and
rescue us from that man. And I had I had that.
I had that, but I was there, and I couldn't
believe I was there. I love my life, I love
my wife. I love I thought I was I thought
I was good. But then when tragedy hits you and
you just can't take it and you just feel like
you have no other option. It was really the embarrassment.
(12:01):
It was really the pride of everybody know who I am.
It really wasn't life was so hard. It was how
I saw myself and how I thought I was. So
when you just drop who you are, like yo, when
you just just just kill who you think you are, man,
just be nothing. The Bible says, uh uh, he who
seeks to save his life will lose it. But if
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you lose your life, you'll gain it. So I lost
the celebrity side of me. I lost the God's artists.
I lost I like, forget being the father, forget being
a husband, forget all these things I think I am.
I'm just I'm just tired right now. And then that's
when salvation begin to come, because.
Speaker 5 (12:37):
You really are bigger than your image, and it was
all in the image that you were living in.
Speaker 1 (12:41):
Yeah, but that's that's not that's not social media today.
You are your image today. You understand what I'm saying.
You are, you are who you post today.
Speaker 5 (12:50):
So that's why it's also a lot of suicide out
of a lot of depression, a lot more than we
see it.
Speaker 1 (12:57):
You know how challenging it is it to be to
be on social media? You understand what I'm saying. I
know some people who will never be beyond the camera
without they lashes on, or who will never get on
there without certain things. So how challenging is it to
be your authentic self on social media? I don't think
or onto the world. I don't think people are ready
to bear that nakedness, you know what I'm saying. But
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it's gonna take somebody who's understaning to be like, hey,
this is me and love me or leave me and
just run the risk of that. But I don't think
people are ready for that.
Speaker 4 (13:24):
I did that early.
Speaker 5 (13:25):
I got a little it's a little ponytail.
Speaker 1 (13:28):
It's still going around you trying to get it off.
Speaker 5 (13:32):
Yeah, I'm trying get it off now, but I'm like, yo,
that's that's when I first started, and it was out
there they put T shirt put it on T shirts
and everything.
Speaker 4 (13:39):
Like, Jess, it was a lot of I sold out,
but I was like, you know what this know you down.
Speaker 1 (13:47):
But that's what I loved about you, Jess. That's what
I love you.
Speaker 3 (13:50):
Understand what I'm saying, Jeff, don't give them right right?
Speaker 1 (13:55):
Would you do it? Though? You you admire that, but
would you do it? Would you do it.
Speaker 3 (13:59):
If I had the ponty that you would?
Speaker 1 (14:05):
Here?
Speaker 2 (14:06):
There's a picture's a picture of Charlamagne with here and
look kind of like it starts back here.
Speaker 1 (14:10):
But you never posted that. I got to see that.
Speaker 3 (14:13):
I think you and your whole situation is just a
testament to the glory of God. You, you and your
wife together.
Speaker 1 (14:18):
Now, yeah, she's right here, right behind me. Man. She
survived the car.
Speaker 3 (14:26):
Y'all been through a.
Speaker 1 (14:27):
Lot, a whole a whole, a whole lot. It seemed
like a series of unfortunate events, you know what I'm saying.
And her life, I mean, it's just it just it
just starts from I'm gonna say it starts from birth.
Everybody's life starts from but with the with growing up
with parents like I had, and she was basically fatherless,
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for a long period of time. You grow up with
a whole lot of unmet needs. You know what I mean.
You have needs as a child that you should have
met that you don't have met. Security, protection, encouragement, validation,
all of these things. We we affection. We have to
grow up without that, right, So now we got to
make the choice of either like living without it or
killing the desire period. So now we commit what we call,
(15:10):
my man Tim Fletcher calls sole suicide. So you commit
sole suicide because as a child of three year old,
I need affection. I don't know I need it, but
naturally I need it. And if I don't get it,
I just killed the desire for it. So now I'm
in a relationship and I don't know how to be
affection you understand what I'm saying. Or I got kids
and I don't know how to show that because I've
been killed that. So now we're trying to like restore
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those things and trying to do it in the context
of marriage. I married her at eighteen. I was twenty one,
So that's a that's a kid. Those are kids when
I look at them ages now I'm like, man, it
was a kid, that little really little kid.
Speaker 3 (15:47):
We huh, how long y'all been together?
Speaker 1 (15:50):
Twenty eight? Now? Yeah, that twenty eight years?
Speaker 3 (15:52):
Yeah, my wife twenty six over being his wife thirty on?
Speaker 1 (15:56):
Congrass bro. So y'all know what I'm talking about. Listen.
Speaker 3 (16:00):
I relate to your story so much, even when you
talk about how you know what you saw in your
father and not wanting to be like that, yeah, and
then finding out that you became just like that later.
Do you understand?
Speaker 1 (16:11):
Do you understand? Man? That's like a that's like a
that's like a it's like a shock to your whole
to your whole system.
Speaker 4 (16:16):
Man.
Speaker 1 (16:17):
You got to do a whole lot of rewiring man.
And my thing is, I think a lot of people
know they need help. Where they go to get help
is just as important as knowing you need help. So
you know what I mean. So therapists and all that stuff,
I think that I think that's all is great. But
I like to go to the source. I like to
go to the creator, and I believe God is the
creative of all of us. If you don't turn to God, man,
(16:37):
you'll get a bandon, you'll get medicated. But the real
healing is in Jesus Christ.
Speaker 3 (16:41):
I believe in God and therapy me too too, and
plant based medicine and healing and meditation.
Speaker 1 (16:47):
And I can't with you, but I feel I am
mad at you. Bro. I ain't hear the judge at all.
But you know, I just feel like when something else
becomes your source, something else is your source, you know
(17:07):
what I mean. And that's the scary part to me.
I don't want another thing besides God to be my source.
Everything could be a resource. And if God leads me
to that, fine, But if I just choose it, I
could damage myself and my life and what I want
and desire to do or be in life.
Speaker 2 (17:21):
But what do you think about some of the It
seems like for a while, maybe the last ten years,
it seems like being a pastor was cool, right, So
it was like.
Speaker 1 (17:29):
Like everybody wanted to be a rapper, everybody wanted to
be a podcast host. At least, like a.
Speaker 2 (17:33):
Lot of people wanted to be a pastor for the
wrong reasons. Yeah, how do you feel about.
Speaker 1 (17:37):
That you missed that pastor? Or remember the past you know, man,
it was building them huge churches, everybody was. I think
the pastor phenomenon came from oh Man, getting money, there's
a bunch of different things.
Speaker 3 (17:54):
You can speak to them more.
Speaker 5 (17:55):
But I think getting money in the church and how
you look and how you're praised is and you forget
that he's supposed to be praised, but he praise you
and all that type of stuff.
Speaker 4 (18:05):
So yeah, I see a lot of Instagram paces out there,
but you know it is you.
Speaker 1 (18:08):
You killed that whole thing. I think a lot of
pastors were not called the pastor. They just you know, study,
you go to school and then you just become a pastor,
like you become a manager at you know, publics or
something like that. And that's that's unfortunate for a lot
of people who invest their you know, money, time, attention,
and their soul into people who they believe are literally
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called from God. I don't believe a lot of pastors are.
I think I think it's a system. Now on God,
It's a system. Everything is a system, and systems work
with or without God. So I think the institution of
church is whack. I think how church is ran is whack.
I think the religious system and structure is whack. I
(18:51):
don't subscribe to it, even though I grew up in it,
I benefited from it. But I learned that God is
not the church. And once I realized whoa God? Ain't
church for me? You know what I mean? I ain't
from the streets. I'm from the church. So that was
a huge thing as well.
Speaker 3 (19:06):
It's in the Bibles say you can't even find God
in the man made.
Speaker 1 (19:09):
Why don't we read that?
Speaker 4 (19:10):
Though?
Speaker 1 (19:10):
How often do you hear that sermon?
Speaker 3 (19:12):
No?
Speaker 1 (19:12):
You hear people pastors make the people about the church.
We got the church name we Church and the church
and the bumper stick of the church.
Speaker 6 (19:22):
The church should be about the people. The church should
be about the people. But the church makes the people
about the church. So all churches now are a movement,
but they're not about the people. They're not about serving
and loving the people.
Speaker 1 (19:34):
So I just kind of pulled that. We online right now.
We're not even in the building, a physical building or
nothing like that. So Live Church, shout out to Live Church.
I love y'all so much, Live Church, Orlando. We're online
right now. And because we had an issue with a building,
and now I'm like, hold up, what's going on here?
Like do we need a bit like you understand what
I'm saying, Like in order to do what we need
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to do affect people, serve and love and minister. I'm
just looking at everything differently at this point because the
church structure has really I mean, there's a lot of
people who won't even go to church. Honestly, when the
last time y'all been to church?
Speaker 3 (20:08):
I go every Sunday on TV and go bedside Baptist.
Oh yeah, I like watching Potter's House online.
Speaker 1 (20:15):
Oh yeah, okay, wait to.
Speaker 4 (20:17):
Jump down here through and be like, no, you don't.
Speaker 1 (20:20):
Every Sunday. But why not?
Speaker 3 (20:26):
Honestly, is because it's not too many churches that speak
to my spirit. I really do like what they do
in the Potter's House. I think there's a lot of
annoying in that church from Bishop td Jake's Jake Roberts
the Truth to tore. So even when I'm in Dallas,
if I'm now on like you go today, I'll stay
just to go on like.
Speaker 1 (20:41):
This you physically go, oh absolutely, what about you?
Speaker 2 (20:44):
For me, it's I used to hate going to church
as a kid, right because Baptist Church is staying there
for or five hours, especially if somebody's getting baptized, you
got to dress up.
Speaker 4 (20:53):
So it made me.
Speaker 1 (20:54):
Not necessarily love it.
Speaker 3 (20:55):
Right.
Speaker 2 (20:56):
And I noticed that with my kids when I took
him to church, it became mature.
Speaker 1 (21:00):
I gotta get dressed. I got this.
Speaker 2 (21:01):
But now on Sunday morning, we can cook breakfast together,
sit down on the couch and watch it and it's comfortable.
They gotta get dressed. They ain't got mammy an gotta
do the kids here. Yeah, they ain't got to make
sure things are right because they got to sit there. Now,
it's not that at all. It's all about the church,
which I prefer. So yeah, we go online, you know
what I mean. And I don't have to just stick
to one church. You know, as a kid growing up
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in New York, we always had to go to Brooklyn,
the Grandma's church.
Speaker 1 (21:25):
There was no option. It was let me try something else.
Speaker 2 (21:28):
Now on TV one day, I can turn dollar next day,
I can next day, and I can get different feelings
and my kids can as well.
Speaker 1 (21:36):
So I prefer that as well too.
Speaker 3 (21:37):
Why I was, he was going to ask me.
Speaker 5 (21:40):
I was, so yeah, So I still have I still
belong to my home church in Baltimore City, Restoration Christian
Coclegia Church. And I'm not in Baltimore on Sundays anymore.
Speaker 4 (21:55):
You know, just I have to be here. I gotta
wake up three forty five in the morning.
Speaker 5 (21:57):
But even before that, I was doing shows Thursday through Sunday,
so I wasn't able to go. And if I just
try more, I can definitely get on the road to
come up here after a church because church is from
ten to twelve, ten to one sometimes.
Speaker 4 (22:11):
But I still pay my times, you know what I mean, I.
Speaker 1 (22:15):
Still give all.
Speaker 4 (22:16):
Friend, my mom's a deacon. I grew up in that church.
Speaker 5 (22:19):
It was called Holy Church of Christ when I was younger,
and my son has been Christian in that church. And
my my baby that I'm having now will go and
get Christian. I'm never I don't want to go to
another church now. I will listen to a sermon from
someone else like I listen to Sarah Jakes, you know
I will, and different podcasts as well. But I just
(22:39):
my my reason is simply just an excuse. I just
don't go to church because I travel.
Speaker 1 (22:45):
Okay, I get that. What do y'all look for when
you go to a church? What do y'all? What do
y'all look for? Like you said, everyone, don't don't touch
your soul, don't minister to your spirit.
Speaker 3 (22:55):
It's not about what I look for, It's about what
I feel got it. It's a feeling, you know what
I mean, Like you just I know what you mean,
would just speak to your soul.
Speaker 1 (23:01):
You know.
Speaker 3 (23:01):
I think, sorry, Jake's right now, Man's used to me
all the time, you know what. I just want to
listen to her podcast. So I just think some people
have an annoying on them for the moment that we
are in, and just like her father had it and
still has it, you know, of course for the current
moment that we're in.
Speaker 5 (23:21):
And then another thing. So growing up in a church
where you know, I'm so used to that back in
the day like Manson's, I don't want to go to
a big, big, big church because the pastor don't know me.
I'm used to going to talk to the past pastor
after church, going to get that individual preyer, going to
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show him what I'm struggling with and all that. As
a teenager, I was going through a lot of things,
you know what I mean. So I would be able
to go and talk to my uncle he is the bishop,
like go and talk to him and stuff like that.
But I've gone to churches where, you know, the pastor
don't even know you, and he's not even.
Speaker 4 (23:57):
Tripping off getting to know nobody.
Speaker 1 (23:59):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5 (24:00):
Yeah, he just come and he do his thing. They
sing a whole album before he started dis sermon. Yeah, yes, right,
you shout. I see people shouting. I see you know
all of that, And that's what I'm used to be.
Speaker 4 (24:11):
He's not cut. I started coming from that and then
absolutely no wood.
Speaker 3 (24:17):
I started going to church till later got you growing
for that whole going around knocking on the doors.
Speaker 1 (24:22):
How you doing? How you know? That's what I'm talking about.
That's what I'm talking time of that.
Speaker 5 (24:28):
But you got time to walk down every block and
going hand in the hamplets.
Speaker 1 (24:34):
Yeah, and too early y'all come to he came around
noon'll be so yeah, this is the personal.
Speaker 5 (24:42):
Personal has been lost, you know what I mean. And
then it becomes to the point where the the like
I said, the pastor feel like he's got Yeah, that's churches.
Speaker 1 (24:53):
And and that's what I met by churches is whacking,
because I know I went on realig whack whack wacking
church probably like you just at my church last week.
I don't mean that, I mean I mean that stuff
right there and what has become I have found it.
I have found it. I think I said the right
challenging to know everyone in my church though, I found it.
I found it challenging. I try to be personal. I
(25:15):
try to I stay after church and just I stand
at whoever want to come to me, they can talk
to me. I don't got the eighty security guards and
all that, right I standing, They can talk to me.
But it's a challenge to know everybody in the church.
Speaker 4 (25:24):
And that's a big that's because a bigger it's a bigger, bigger.
Speaker 2 (25:27):
But your new families though, like like my church, they
knew the Casey family and parents, they knew the Johnson's
and it is one of that one new family.
Speaker 1 (25:36):
Yeah yeah, yeah overall, and that means something that that
that means a lot to people. But what if you
didn't get that, does that mean that's not the church
for you? Because Moses led millions of people. I doubt
he knew you know what I mean, John Qubbos, whatever
his name was, I doubt I doubt he knew everyone,
but he was still their leader. So I try to
look at it from a lot of perspectives. You know
what I mean, and make sure people are coming for
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the right reason and make sure or the pastor is
there for.
Speaker 2 (26:01):
Let me ask you a question. Right, So, growing up
in Queen's I went to Catholic school. Right, my zone
school is the worst. So my parents was making me
go to Catholic school. I wasn't going to Andrew Jackson.
But I noticed in Catholic school as a kid, Catholic schools.
Speaker 1 (26:12):
Thirty thirty minutes, maybe thirty five. You are out of there.
Speaker 2 (26:15):
It's I mean, didn't gone, I'm back home. Baptist church
is three hours, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (26:22):
So we want to say but it's the point.
Speaker 2 (26:24):
As a kid, you know, you you feel like I
get everything I needed in this thirty minutes. I don't
need this in three and a half hours. I always
wonder like why is the church so long? Because you know,
you got announcements, then you get passed it. You're gonna
pass it around twice, and then since then so and
so got to talk about.
Speaker 4 (26:40):
And if you don't give up on the first off,
we almost.
Speaker 1 (26:47):
Almost they double back, you know what I mean. And
I think that's part of it why it's so long. Yeah,
I think churches have changed since then. I don't think
churches is three hours like that anymore. I mean not
she I think it's like nothing I've seen she going in.
I've seen church tructures like ninety minutes. You know what
(27:08):
I'm saying. They try to be more mindful of that.
And the more you know, current churches and stuff like that,
they try to do, they try to cut that down
a little bit. But I think the reason is people
just have a lot of expression. Man, they got a
lot of They got a lot to say, they got
a lot to get out. You understand I'm saying. I
hated the law churches. I grew up Pentecostal Pentecostal church.
What three hours? That's it. We're just getting right, yo.
(27:30):
Three When you said three hours, like what, man, we
just getting started. We had nothing else to do. Why
you had no social media? Sundays was for God. So
we was gonna stay all Sunday. So after the five
hours center back, after the five hour service service, come on,
(27:51):
you better stay for that second we got people coming.
I hated that, but I'm so glad it was like
that for me as a remember young you understand what
I'm saying. I'm so glad. It was like that for
me because it just kept me from a whole lot.
You like Michael Willis, Yeah, Chris rock a lot and uh,
(28:15):
I don't know who Michael k Willi soon.
Speaker 3 (28:18):
You got a similar energy.
Speaker 1 (28:21):
Yeah, I never met him, very energetic. I never met him.
Maybe we need to hook up with something like that.
Oh yeah, he dad, he done. Oh I don't know. Okay,
I guess I can. I guess I can. I guess
I can't. Don't give, don't get, don't give me the
dog the other day, I'm sorry, I didn't know. I
don't know. I'm trying to cut him on. He's met
brom y'all will connect one day if you believe you again.
Speaker 3 (28:48):
Done is true that you worked on justin Timberlakes Crime.
Speaker 1 (28:53):
River, Yeah, I worked on I was. We was in
the Root Studio again, growing up in the Philly Camden,
Philly area. We did our first album at the at
the Root Studio. Crazy how we got signed to. Vivian
Green is like an R and B soul artist, And
she was doing the showcase for Tommy Mottola and Donnie
Ironer and the Matt Sony and she said, tie, you
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know I was like her cousin at the time. We
were real close. Tie. I want you to m D
my show case. I know, even asked me this. I'm
just taking on you know, you know, I want you
to MD my showcase. I said, all right, Bet, I
got a little couple of people from the choir, a
couple of people from the band. We just put together
a little show for viv So, speaking of energy and
all that, we in there with Tommy Mattola and Donnie
Iron and all these people at Columbia, and I'm just
(29:34):
a young you know, I'm just playing. I'm I'm like
this all the time. If I'm playing, I'm like this,
you know what I mean. Everything is energetic. So they like,
we love Vivian Green, we're gonna sign her to Columbia,
and we're gonna sign this guy right here. Who's that?
And it was like, oh, no, no, no, no, that's that's a
that's a gospel guy. You know, he does choir and
stuff like that. We're signing Vivian and we're signing the
gospel guy.
Speaker 3 (29:54):
I was like, what.
Speaker 1 (29:55):
Within ninety days we had a contract at our crib
from Columbia Records. No demo, black and white, no, no
profile picture, no nothing, and we got signed to Columbia.
Uh nah, she got her deal. I got my deal.
So my first album came out under Columbia Records called
Life because because of that that moment right there, I'm like, well,
(30:15):
God is really real, you know what I mean. I mean,
you could say being in the right place at the
right time, but I believe in the favor of God.
And so we're doing our album in the Root studio.
James Poyser shout out. James Poyser was a producer on that.
He's with the Roots. Now you're seing on Jimmy Fallon
every night and uh in the Root studio they had
the plant based you know stuff going on every single day.
(30:41):
Ge he was in there. We was in there getting contact,
you'll try to sing the praises of the Lord and
just being in that environment. Then the Roots is like, oh,
you know, why don't you do this such as us
coming to the studio, such as us coming to the studio,
such and such. We just became the choir for like
everybody who came. So we're on Jessica Simpsons Christmas album
and we're on uh so many albums as background singers.
(31:02):
So Timberland came through and we just caught a vibe Timberland.
We were just in there, just vibing. Tim just put
a beat on it. We were just in there playing.
I love working with Tim. Tim. We could ever do
that again, bro, Yeah, please, let's look that up. So
we was in there vibing the crimea River. He said,
I got this Humble Justice. So I'm in there like, okay,
dude and dud dude. So that's me playing that literally
(31:27):
on the world it sir, that's literally literally me. And
then the backgrounds on there and me and my girl
Marshall from Flower Tree did the background. Yeah, ain't she amazing? Yo,
shout out Marsha, I love you girl.
Speaker 5 (31:39):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (31:39):
We did the backgrounds to that. And so just when
it came out and we listened to it and it's
everywhere since seventy eleven and said why were like, oh my,
that's us, that's us. Shut up boy, now to be
twenty dollars you know what I mean. I'm like, wait, yes,
that's give me at did you get pay for it
(32:00):
the right way? Oh damn, I got two thousand dollars
for the past o. Man, you don't do the past.
Speaker 3 (32:08):
Yeah, I know you cried you a river, that's all
you got that Murphy dollars for river.
Speaker 1 (32:17):
Yeah, I got two thousand dollars for that, But you
played I played it with this song.
Speaker 3 (32:23):
That's what everybody knows.
Speaker 4 (32:24):
That's when what you hear.
Speaker 1 (32:26):
That's what you look for before anybody else. They don't
take care of the past him. It was, it was,
it was, it was. Yeah, But you know, I didn't
know the business at the time, and I was so
hyped to get two thousand dollars. I didn't know what
to do. Y'all think got treated everybody to a fry
at McDonald's. Everybody, you understand what I'm saying. So I
(32:47):
was just so hyped, but I didn't know the business then,
So I don't got no hard feelings about Yeah. Yeah,
you can go check it out. Go check out the credit.
Check the credits, Go check the credit.
Speaker 5 (32:55):
You know what you give it Chris Rock, Yes, go
check the credit. Show Yeah, it's definitely I see it now.
Speaker 1 (33:04):
But yeah, that now did a whole lot, the whole
What is that? What did you do with usher? I'ven
know what, I don't think, I mean, says toured with us,
I don't know.
Speaker 5 (33:16):
If you work, you gotta be specific.
Speaker 1 (33:19):
Yeah, yeah, what you do? What I should hold up
in the church for a second, we might have been
on the same program. I didn't do anything. We didn't
do you know. I love to be usher man. That's
that's the homie. Yes, come on, don't be with the
right don't don't right now?
Speaker 5 (33:39):
Every day with the niggas yo every day, So I'm like,
what are you talking about?
Speaker 1 (33:44):
It's a lot. That's a lot to go because you
don't never know what they go.
Speaker 3 (33:48):
You got to tell you congratulations. Let me get you
out of here. You're get in some trouble.
Speaker 1 (33:56):
Last year Reunion tour was was last year. It was amazing.
I did All Things New tour and in the spring and
then I did the Reunion Tour in the fall winter.
It was it was an amazing, dude that with Kirk and
h Clark, sisters, Israel, David and Tambla man, that was
incredible my first arena tour. Never did that before, so
I'm like to hear the songs with all them people.
It was just it was it was surreal. So we're
doing it again this year. I'm going out May June
(34:20):
on the only one night though tour, only one night though.
That's my new single that's out only one night though,
and the tour is going May June. I'm telling y'all,
I have uh a second win of some sort. I
don't have a second, third, or fourth whatever, but I
have this, this momentum behind me right now, and I
(34:41):
am so excited to get out there and do this music.
I got new music coming, book, coming podcasts, all this
stuff is coming, you know, off the hinges of the Grammy.
And it's just a good season for me right now. Yes,
I want everybody to come what he's great man record
on quick.
Speaker 4 (34:58):
Let me just say this, So what you did for
me growing up is to your music. You you didn't
make it.
Speaker 1 (35:07):
You like you.
Speaker 5 (35:08):
You and Kirk Franklin was the first two men that
did not make listening in the gospel boring, yo, because
like me, growing up with a deaconess as a mom,
and you know, my daddy was a little bit more lenient,
you know, but we had to go to church and
a little bit playing to what he was saying, like
we had to. I had to get the stiff ponytail
with the bullyball, you know. He wasn't really long, so
(35:31):
when I moved it didn't you know.
Speaker 1 (35:33):
So I'm like, I don't want.
Speaker 5 (35:34):
To go here, you know. And I had the little
church socks and all that, the ones that Jermaine the
Free had on at the You know, I will always
do that, you know, like you when when my mom
would put you on, she would put she will put
you on just so we can get excited to go
to church. Wow, So that is really something crazy. You
and Kirk Franklin, y'all the only two my mom be like,
(35:56):
all right, all right, and then she knew how to
play some other people when we were going too much.
So I was like, I don't want to listen to
much then, but but to get us in the mood
to go to church, Tripp and Kirk Franklin, that's what.
Speaker 3 (36:08):
That's what I love about you or the song you
remember the.
Speaker 1 (36:11):
No way I can't even then You're going to the animal,
I know, you know, not what you say strike them
down heart.
Speaker 4 (36:32):
That strike him down a lord.
Speaker 1 (36:37):
Do you think people have my times?
Speaker 5 (36:38):
I know?
Speaker 1 (36:39):
But do you think people have a problem with God?
Speaker 3 (36:42):
No? No, no, I mean.
Speaker 1 (36:44):
Most people I know. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (36:47):
My whole life has been God fearing but see, I
think that I think that you have to show improve
that through actions, you know what I'm saying. I think
it's one thing to say, oh, I believe in God,
I love God. But do you really try to at
least scribe to move the way God would want you
to move.
Speaker 1 (37:04):
I think that's the difficult Okay. So it's not the
it's not the it's not the it's not the belief.
It's the behavior.
Speaker 2 (37:12):
Yes, I think, yeah, sometimes it's the behavior of the messenger.
Speaker 1 (37:16):
What you mean.
Speaker 2 (37:17):
Somebody will say I have an assignment, right like you said,
I have an assignment. And maybe your assignment is to
help Jess in her situation and her problems, and maybe
you do, but then you as a person, it's not
coming from the perspective of somebody giving assignment, you see
what I'm saying. So let's say, if you're here to
help Jess in her life and whatever it may be,
but you know you cheating on your wife with Charlamagne.
Speaker 1 (37:39):
It's it's I look at it as that's example, but.
Speaker 5 (37:44):
I just look at it as it's not gonna be
the thing.
Speaker 2 (37:50):
But I look at it as you're giving assignment. But
the person giving assignment is not living the life that
But that's what a little bit that's what makes me
hard to see because you're giving the excitement, but you're
not living, right.
Speaker 1 (38:02):
It's like, are you really giving it? Nobody around Jesus
living that's all about to say, like your's your teacher
living algebra? Like you know what I'm saying, Can somebody
get can somebody give you information that will help you?
That's still flawed? Right? But sometimes it's like it is
that information true?
Speaker 2 (38:21):
If you're out there selling crack every night, giving crack
TI you, you might be felty and saving me, but
then you're killing a hundred others. It's like, is this
coming from God? Or is that coming from a negative evil?
Speaker 1 (38:33):
The devil? You know what I'm saying. So it's kind
of I got you hard to trust it, operate and
trust it.
Speaker 3 (38:36):
But that's a decernment coming in exactly.
Speaker 1 (38:39):
So you need the spirit as well, you know what
I'm saying. That's what I think. So when I say
how you feel about God? I was going to ask
how you feel about all of that? You said you're
too growing for the holy cost? But playing I know
what you're saying.
Speaker 4 (38:51):
In some people, some people do they.
Speaker 1 (38:53):
Get most, do most most most and seeing.
Speaker 3 (38:56):
Them harlem shake, I'm like making you harlem shaking.
Speaker 1 (39:00):
I cut it out. Man embrace. I think most embrace
the culture of church, but not the Christ of them,
you know, not Christ. So I think that's that's the
issue as well. I think when you when you try
to move without the spirit of God, not just the
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word of God, but the spirit of God. This is
this is where personal relationship comes in. When you try
to move or live your life without the spirit of God.
That is your God, that is your direction. Holy goes
to the Bible said, the Holy Spirit comes to lead and
to guide us into all truth. So there's a lot
of wisdom and truth that we forfeit by not being
led by the Spirit of God, by being led by Google,
(39:43):
by being led by other things like that. Even a therapist,
I will add, the Bible says, add to your faith, knowledge,
but add to your faith. I think we let knowledge
replace our faith, we let counsel replace our faith. Every
new information you get as a believer should add to
your faith, and that comes through the discernment and knowing the
(40:04):
Spirit of God. So take the time to develop that
relationship with God like this sounds crazy, but Lord, all right,
let me pray. You know what I mean, whatever it is,
take that time to develop. It's your protection, you know
what I mean, from the wolves in sheep's clothing. It's
your protection from wrong relationships and dating the wrong person.
God knows all, He knows the person you're dealing with.
(40:25):
He knows the thoughts and the intents of and the
motives of the people you're dealing with. So the Holy
Spirit is a cheat cold to help us deal with life,
to right to make the right business decisions, to make
the right decisions for our children, because this child is
different from this one. I can't do that on my own.
So when you allow the Holy Spirit to be elite
and your God, I mean, your way will be prosperous.
(40:48):
The Bible says so, and you'll be protected because everybody
is for themselves in this world. And there as much
evil in darkness as you know, as you said, even
in clergy collars. Yo, And I'm tired of it. My
wife and I are going to work on I think
a podcast or something called Flipping Tables, just to kind
of like not to expose nobody, nothing like that, but like, hey, y'all,
you know what I'm saying. This is choreography. Praise is
(41:10):
not it. You know what I'm saying. We want people
to get relationship and not religion. Man, So if anything
I'll leave y'all, it will be that, please please please
take a prayer. Oh prayer? Okay, but you want to prayer?
Speaker 4 (41:24):
Yeah, I'm you ain't worrying about what we did twenty
four hours ago.
Speaker 5 (41:29):
Wow, because a cigarette outside.
Speaker 1 (41:33):
You want to ask that, you want to ask where
I was last night before you received my prayer?
Speaker 4 (41:36):
You can pray for me in the corner.
Speaker 1 (41:38):
Thank you, thank you, thank you. I guess that is
important because we never saw presidents or we never saw
Obama or his family partying. Yeah, because he had to
be the president, you know what I'm saying. I'm saying
so it's very important as the leaders what your image
is to the people. But part of it to me,
I don't know. Maybe because I'm.
Speaker 3 (41:56):
Always found God in the most unlikely places.
Speaker 1 (41:58):
What you mean by that?
Speaker 3 (41:59):
Because he's a in the most I'm just saying I
understand what n be saying. But I think sometimes you
will miss a message from God because you appearance or
not the messenger, you know. Yeah, And sometimes that's who
God is working through.
Speaker 1 (42:14):
That's what they did with Jesus. They was like, who
this guy that ain't the Savior, That's not him. They
missed the Savior of the world still to this day
because of how he was presented. So, but I think
you have to know him to see him and things.
You can see him in the most unlikely places because
you know him. Well.
Speaker 3 (42:32):
If you know God and you, you'll recognize them and
everybody else exactly.
Speaker 1 (42:34):
I can see him in movies, comic but I can
see him on his wall. I can see anywhere because
I know him. So nothing from without can defile you.
Always was taking. You can't go to clubs or when
we grew up, you couldn't go to nothing. We couldn't
go to movies, we couldn't go bowling, we couldn't play
basketball because there was this drinks, there is that and that. Whatever.
I can say, what's wrong with bowling? Jesus shut out?
(43:00):
I got it. I didn't know. I just saw but he.
Speaker 4 (43:07):
Yeah, that's what I'm saying that.
Speaker 1 (43:11):
But I had to learn nothing from without can defile you.
If it's in you, it's in you. If you ratchet,
you don't need music to that. You know what I'm saying,
It only exposes what's allready in you. So we got
to change and challenge what's in us. Absolutely.
Speaker 3 (43:28):
I got one last question because you made me think,
let's do this conversation me and just had when they
had the New Year's Eve thing and they did the
swag surf in the church.
Speaker 1 (43:35):
Thank you all for having me. Man appreciate it very much.
Speaker 5 (43:38):
Clowned out, tell them what you're thought, tell them passed
what you're throwing up here.
Speaker 3 (43:42):
I didn't think it was anything wrong with it because
my whole thing was they doing it outside the church anyway,
you know what I mean. So if you're having a
and it wasn't like it was a regular church service,
it was new partying, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (43:55):
Yeah, what did you think?
Speaker 4 (43:58):
Lot of plans were very much sorry about that.
Speaker 1 (44:00):
But you said all of them were clown everybody.
Speaker 5 (44:02):
Was clowns because that was the explicit version being played,
just like I said Charlamagne, and I'm like, no, I
didn't grow up like that in church. Like it's just
certain things you don't play with. You can swag and
surf one day. Even if he disagreed, I don't get Yeah,
I still think that it was clowned dollar.
Speaker 1 (44:17):
No, I agree with you, and that the lyrics was like, yeah,
I couldn't believe.
Speaker 5 (44:22):
I was hearing that all day, but yeah, I got
patron on my yah, girl got a bad behind me
and a friend by right.
Speaker 1 (44:30):
But they didn't explicit I think that was a mistake
in production or something like that. I don't think that
was intentional.
Speaker 4 (44:37):
I think it was very much intentional because you think
it was.
Speaker 3 (44:40):
It was the youth, a little youth, you faster.
Speaker 4 (44:43):
And yes, and was like, you know what, I'm gonna
just play this by mistake on purpose.
Speaker 2 (44:46):
But if it was the clean version, was a clean version,
you'd have been okay with it. You can swag surfing church,
but why does that have to be to the song.
We can swag surf to It's harums. So we can
swag surf to the Kirk Franklin and the little baby
you on that. We can swag surf to something. We
can swag surf the silence. We made it into another year.
Go to the club after you get out. God bless
(45:07):
you here, all right.
Speaker 1 (45:08):
Do what you do so how you feel about just
the instrumental that's cool. You can put whatever words on
top of it you want, but you like the lyrics
and everything and there. I didn't have a problem with it, man,
because you know they're gonna listen to it anyway outside
and it's just a dirty version.
Speaker 3 (45:24):
In my mind, I'm like, whoever was in that church
that night is coming back, and to me that's more important.
Speaker 1 (45:30):
If she was in that church, she wouldn't come back.
I definitely wouldn't.
Speaker 4 (45:32):
Even I don't write in the middle.
Speaker 1 (45:34):
I think the church I'm the wildest, craziest I'm with
every day, I swaged whatever. I still think that the
church should have something a sacred.
Speaker 5 (45:43):
Like what they met people will they don't take that
and they run with that though I'm not with that.
Speaker 1 (45:50):
Nobody, no nobody met. If Jesus met somebody where they were,
he literally went to them, like when they come to church,
they meeting you where you are.
Speaker 3 (46:00):
For the club, that is what you're saying.
Speaker 1 (46:04):
You say that, I'm saying that they should be across
the street from the trip club so that when they
come out, not inside club. I have been to a
strip club, I am yeah, yeah, you have. I have
been to club.
Speaker 4 (46:20):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (46:21):
It was a birth what birthday was? And I'm forty eight.
Now I just wanted. It was one of them New
Years when I was like, forget the church, I'm going,
I'm going there. I did not enjoy. I went one
time in my entire lit to pray over the girls.
I didn't pray over them, No, I didn't. I didn't pray.
I prayed over myself more than anything. Yeah, like I did.
Speaker 3 (46:38):
Huh why did you like it?
Speaker 1 (46:40):
Oh? Man, for real?
Speaker 3 (46:43):
Your wife?
Speaker 5 (46:44):
No?
Speaker 1 (46:44):
No, no, no, how I didn't enjoy. I didn't enjoy.
I have never talked about this in my life, I said,
people who know before I have. I didn't enjoy the performers.
What state was it? Florida? Should have went to Atlanta.
No Florida, you mean Florida crazy would do especially in Miami. Yeah.
(47:07):
So I didn't enjoy. I didn't enjoy the performers, and
I was like, this is why I don't belonger. Yeah,
booby trap wasn't went back then. It's okay. Professionally, I
think I think God was like, you got it out
of your good little private moment and you strang. So
this is what you wanted, did you? I'm like, man,
this is not four and five that night all God
(47:33):
knew what he was doing. I never I never ever
desired to go back. Ever. It was horrible, bro, it
was horrible. Man. Can you pray for the stupid show?
First of all, thank y'all for being like cultural leaders.
Speaker 5 (47:51):
Man.
Speaker 1 (47:51):
I appreciate what y'all do for for for the culture.
It's amazing what y'all do here. Thank you for keeping
it positive and you crazy. Y'all all crazy, but that's
who we are, and we're not a shame to who
we are. Let's pray for a minute. Thank you, Okay,
Father God, I thank you for this opportunity to just
to pray over these blessed people in this show. I
(48:13):
pray now, God that you just continue to be our
guide and our lead. There are so many needs just
in this room, and so many needs of people that
are listening. We can't solve every need. We don't know
every need, but you promise to supply every need. So
I pray from emotions to finances, to mental health, to
physical health to relational security, I pray that you just
(48:37):
supply every need. Once we're in scarcity and we need,
we get desperate and we do things that's not even
in our character. So may we never be insecure, and
may we never lack anything. And when we never fear,
perfect love, cast out all fear. Fill us with your
perfect love today, and we won't fear anything. We won't
(48:58):
fear the enemy, we won't feel the way of the world.
We won't fear anything because we are loved by you.
Let everybody know for a masurrety that they are loved,
crazy and all baselating in all not. Whatever whatever state
we're in, it does not disqualify us from your everlasting love.
So embrace us with that today. In the name of Jesus.
(49:20):
Bless everyone, Blessed Charlamagne, bless Envy, blessed Jess. Bless this show. God.
Let it be a beacon of light and a beacon
of hope to everyone who listens. Let me put a
smile on people's face, put joy in their heart and
happiness in their day. I thank you for the opportunity
to pray over this, and I pray in Jesus' name
that it prospers in Jesus' name. Amen, Hey, I love
(49:45):
y'all so much. Man, wake that ass up in the morning.
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