September 23, 2024 • 19 mins
Buck Sexton is joined by Jeff Tiegs, a retired special operations veteran, who has returned from a recent trip to Israel to discuss the escalating conflict in the region. With firsthand insight from top Israeli defense officials and Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, Jeff provides an in-depth analysis of the ongoing tensions with Hezbollah in the north and the aftermath of Israeli operations in Gaza. He shares details on the precision of Israel’s military strategy, Hezbollah’s limited capabilities, and the existential threat Israel faces. Jeff also reflects on his experience in Gaza, comparing the destruction to previous battle zones, and touches on the critical role of U.S.-Israel relations in the conflict.
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Speaker 1 (00:11):
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Speaker 2 (00:20):
Hey guys, welcome to the Buck Brief. Jeff Tigus is
with us now. He is of the Special Operations Community
for a couple of decades, a guy who saw a
lot of combat in the War on Terror.
Speaker 3 (00:32):
He is now retired.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
And just got back from Israel where he had tremendous
access to Prime Minister Benjamin Nett. Yahoo top is really
defense officials got out and went into Gaza and he's
going to talk to us about the situation on the
ground over there right now, as there's more activity up
north with Hesbola. Jeff, good to see you.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
Thanks for having me back. Buck really appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
So we know that the Israelis pulled off a pretty
astonishing operation with the exploding pagers and radios, wounding a
couple of thousand terrorists. Now there are concerns that first
of all, were being told that Hesbela was about to
launch an offensive before the Israelis did that. That was
(01:19):
reported over the weekend, and there's the possibility of now
a Hesbela counter strike. How do you see that likely
playing out, what's the threat level and what do you
think happens.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
Yeah, a couple different things. I think some unique angles
to look at this buck and one of those is
recognizing and people figured out pretty quick those pagers had
been rigged a long time ago. These targets have been
designated within hes Blah a long time ago. Israel has
been tracking the movements of Hamas within Gaza. They've been
tracking the movements in Hesblat to the north, and what
(01:55):
they prioritized was hes Blah. So they were caught a
little bit with their pants down with Hamas, but their
more existential threat is from the north with Hesbla. So
people need to understand and recognize. Even though it appears
to many of us like this war has just begun,
it hasn't. These pieces have been getting put into place
on the chessboard for weeks and years. And one of
(02:18):
the things that I'm really proud about is the involvement
that I've had with Israel through the years as a
US soldier, specifically after two thousand and six when they
tangled with heads Black, they made a lot of mistakes.
They didn't have the intelligence that they needed, so they
began to prep from two thousand and six until now
to have the accuracy and precision and the efficiency of
(02:39):
what we're seeing. And people need to really understand and
appreciate that and also recognize when you talk about that
pager attack, the restraint that Israel used on the time
and place and when to actually execute that attack. And
it should be easy for Ugwin to understand who's intellectually
honest that Israel either responds to the attacks or they
(03:02):
have a preemptive strike, and that's exactly what we're seeing.
And they have absolutely obliterated the leadership of the Rodwan brigades,
which are the biggest threat coming out of Hesbelah. So
Hesbelah can rattle their swords, Iran can rattle their swords.
I personally don't believe that there will be a level
of escalation that any of us would be overly concerned with,
(03:23):
one because of the precision of the attacks that Israel
has been successful with. And two it's just part of
the mo of Iran and its proxies to just re
bellicos and scream and holler and shout and try to
win this fight in the media versus on the battlefield.
Speaker 2 (03:42):
The updates this morning from York Times were Israel and
Hesbela trade heavy fire, over one hundred and eighty killed
in Lebanon, seven hundred others injured, Israeli strikes in southern Lebanon,
sirens going off in northern Israel, Hesbel avowing to continue attacking. So,
I mean there's exchange of artillery and rocket fire going on,
(04:02):
right I mean, this is a reality right now up
in the north. But it sounds like, especially after that operation,
that these really were able to pull off. Hesbola is
limited in what it can do beyond that, and clearly
the Israelis could meet them if there was some kind
of escalation.
Speaker 3 (04:19):
I mean, they could bring up.
Speaker 2 (04:21):
Uh, you know, bring up more of their own heavier
weaponry and military force in the south. In Gaza, how
close is that operation against Hamas? I mean, you just
tell everyone you were in Gaza just a few weeks ago.
Speaker 3 (04:35):
What was that? What was that?
Speaker 1 (04:36):
Like?
Speaker 2 (04:36):
I mean what tell I mean, I know you've been
in a bunch of combat zones, Jeff, what's alike in
Gaza these days?
Speaker 1 (04:44):
The only way, the only thing I can compare to
what you see on the ground in Gaza is what
Mosul looked like after Isis had inhabited it and US
forces predominantly with the Iraqi forces retook it. Just just
the destruction, that is the most like battle that I
can come up with. Also because of the way that
Isis was using civilians, the way that Isis had the
(05:06):
buildings to blow. So it's interesting when we were there
couple of weeks ago, it was about eighty percent complete
and there were just kind of a pockets yet left
in the center where they still had to work through
and clear. And when we had that opportunity to sit
down with the Prime Minister, net Yahoo and if the
world is listening, Israel is telling us exactly what their
priorities are. They did not want a two front war.
(05:28):
When Hamas attacked out of Gaza. Their priority was to
decimate Hamas to ensure that they were able to protect
civilians in and around that southern border and recover the hostages.
Then their next phase was to get the displaced persons
up in north back to their homes. There's somewhere out
between sixteen eighty thousand displaced persons up there in the North.
(05:48):
So net Yahoo has been telling us exactly what his
intentions were Again hezblond Hamas tell us exactly what their
intentions were and are, so we shouldn't be surprised. So
I think, even though I haven't been on the ground
in a couple of weeks, I think the fact that
they have shifted from the Southern War to the Northern
War tells us they are very comfortable with what they
have at hand and what they have trolled within Gaza
(06:11):
to this point.
Speaker 2 (06:12):
I mean, Jeff, you've been a part of US military
elite kind of terrorism operations before.
Speaker 3 (06:19):
What's the environment.
Speaker 2 (06:21):
Like when when when the equivalent of an Israeli Tier
one unit is going in to rescue hostages in Gaza?
As as they have not enough of the hostages tragically
have been brought home. But I mean the preparation for
that kind of mission, and I mean, what's what's going
through your mind when you're having to do that behind
(06:42):
hostile lines? Each doorway is possibly you know, somebody in
trench with a with an ak ready to go. I mean,
just to take me through like how that kind of
operational planning and thinking presents itself.
Speaker 1 (06:58):
Yeah, when when you are dealing with Israel and the
Israeli Defense Force the IDF they have. Again, people have
to recognize and understand it's a conscript course. A young
man and a young woman have to serve with the
Israel government and many of them go into the military,
so a lot of their soldiers are very young. They
do have these professional elements that people know about with
(07:19):
the Sarah McCall and shell Dag you know, and even
your mom and those people train every single day, day
in and day out. But I think I mentioned last
time when I was here, the learning curve from what
these lower soldiers, all of these soldiers that have gone
into Gaza have to become a bit of a special
operations time because it's that close, battle, complicated fight. And
(07:41):
I am absolutely impressed on how that learning curve was
reached and how quickly even the regular id of soldiers
were prepared, and how they've integrated not just with the
special operations, with the engineers and blowing these tunnels, et cetera.
A special ops guy, this is what they do right,
They're ready and they're prepared at all times to get
(08:02):
the rest of the forces up to speed. Is something
that has been really impressive. And once again not to
jump out of the South, but back to the north.
We're not seeing that learning curve they learned back in
two thousand and six how they need to defeat Hezbolah
in the north. So we aren't seeing the mistakes, we
aren't seeing the things moving slowly. It is a precision
strike with the intel that they've gathered and all they're
(08:25):
asking for. Again when people recognize just like in Gaza,
they're asking for the control of Philadelphi Quarder and the
hostages returned in up in the north. With Hesbolah, they're
asking for hez blood return back beyond the Latani River,
which was agreed upon in two thousand and six with
the UN Council. So even the things that Israel is
(08:45):
asking for are things that the world years ago agree to.
But Hezbolah has been bulking on.
Speaker 2 (08:52):
How much more advanced are the forces that Hesbolah CA
can deploy talking on the infantry level than what Hamas
has or is it quite similar? I mean they both
have Iranian IRGC coods force trainers, right. I mean they've
had that for a long time. The Iranians have been
providing them whatever whatever skill said they can, but is
(09:16):
hesbela significantly more advanced. I know Hesbela has significantly more
missiles at rockets at its disposal.
Speaker 1 (09:25):
Two things that I want to comment on that real quickly,
buck One is these are terror armies. We talk of
them about them as terrorist groups. Hamas as a terror group.
Hezbelah is a terror group. Again, America is familiar with
al Qaeda and ISIS and Taliban. Taliban is now a
terror army. Hezbolah has always been a terror army. We've
(09:46):
allowed Hamas to become a terror army. So what Israel
continues to do is decimate that leadership. So the combat
skills of someone like the most. To answer your initial question,
it's they're sophisticated and they've got a combined arms maneuver.
But one of the things that I always fall back
to is what's the motivation. Shockingly, we saw them motivation
(10:10):
with Hamas. The level of hate that they had for
the Jewish people was something that even I wasn't prepared for.
I don't believe Hezbolah has that level of hate because
they're not inculcated as much with this idea of hate
the Jews. The Jews are response for everything, like you're
fed in Gaza, They're still indoctrinated with that. But Lebanon
(10:32):
is a free nation and there are parts of Lebanon
that are really thriving. So in addition to the capabilities
of Hesblah, which is now beheaded with most of its
capable leadership, I just don't think they really have the
drive for a ground fight. What is there to gain?
What is their motivation? We hate Israel, we hate the Jews,
(10:54):
whereas the Israelis have an existential threat looming above them
and they want to return to their homes in the North.
Speaker 2 (11:02):
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to our programming here with Jeff Tes Jeff. A second
assassination attempt on Trump.
Speaker 3 (12:08):
This guy.
Speaker 2 (12:09):
This time they fired first, meaning that they didn't allow
the would be assassin to get a shot off and
actually hit the president or hit President Trump. People have
talked a lot about maybe we need to bring in
you know, Eric Prince. I know Blackwater, it was z
and now it's something else. I forget what Constellus is
(12:31):
that right, it's got.
Speaker 3 (12:32):
Some new name.
Speaker 2 (12:33):
I don't even I don't know what the new name is.
But anyway, what do you think about that? As a
you know, how the interface between secret service a private
security entity working with the president.
Speaker 3 (12:45):
How do you view this? Basically?
Speaker 2 (12:48):
You know, you've had to keep high value target good
guys alive before. What needs to happen here to get
President Trump's security to where it should be.
Speaker 1 (12:59):
It needs to become prioritized, and they need to relook
how does they do business. The acting director of the
Secret Service, I heard him talk a couple of days
ago where he said, maybe it's time for us to
relook our standard operating PROCs. Maybe it's time to relook
our manning. And let me tie all this together with
for Rebuk. Okay, what we were just talking about with
with Hesbela. They killed Ibraham Akiel for us right. He
(13:21):
was responsible for the nineteen eighty three bombings, the Bay
Root bombings. The reason America didn't kill Ibraham Akiel because
it wasn't prioritized. We weren't really looking for him. He
was on our list. Why did it take us so
long to get bin laden Because it wasn't prioritized. He
was on our list, but it wasn't things that we
really put time and money and effort into because we
(13:42):
were focusing on other things. I don't know precisely what
the Secret Service is focusing on, but if they didn't
get a wake up call with the first assassination attempt,
they certainly have had a wake up call with the
second assassination attempt, and they need to prioritize the security
of what they're being tasked, or like you're I would
be fine with threatening if you can't do it, we'll
(14:04):
privatize it. But my first offer would be relook the
standard operating procedures within a sect service, get out anybody
who's politicized in that place, and get the job done
on how the American people would expect it. The lack
of confidence and the Secret Service I don't think has
ever been lower, and they've got a long ways to
(14:24):
go before they're going to instill that back into us.
I'm not ready to threaten them with privatizing it, but
I certainly certainly would put it on the wall and
tell them you need to be at this level of
proficiency and these tasks and you need to demonstrate those
tasks or else.
Speaker 2 (14:40):
I mean, is it something that let's say that the
decision was made that Trump wanted to do it, I mean,
would you just bring in, like, what kind of a
team do you think should be pulled together?
Speaker 3 (14:51):
Would it be a bunch.
Speaker 2 (14:52):
Of former Tier one guys like you who have seen
a lot of combat.
Speaker 3 (14:56):
And so have that experience. Would you also mix in.
Speaker 2 (14:59):
Some people with more local law enforcement, you know, swat
team commander types, Like, how would you do it on
the private side?
Speaker 3 (15:05):
Do you think if you had to pull it together?
Speaker 2 (15:07):
Because I mean, I know that if Trump does get
elected I've been hearing Jeff, I'll tell you that there
may be some use of contractors and a whole range
of security functions to try to up federal government capability,
which is what we certainly saw during the War on Terror.
But I'm just you know, give me a sketch, and
you're how does that look if we're going to have
an auxiliary force of elite protect protective detail for Donald Trump?
Speaker 1 (15:34):
I think you nailed it.
Speaker 3 (15:34):
Buck.
Speaker 1 (15:35):
You have to go straight to the professionals who used
to do this for a living and who really understand
mission over everything else. So I think the if this
was to happen, it would be coming from the community.
You know, people that are are in Tier one. There's
people that are working with the agency that all have
this expertise. But what I would tell you you bring
them in to initially plug the whole and to develop
(15:57):
a training an assessment pipeline. Because guys like me, guys
like Tier one, we just get bored with it. We
get bored with being a bodyguard. It isn't what we
set out to do. So while it is the short
term answer, you need to take that professionalism and bring
in the right person. And we know who that person is.
We know who has the right personality to not get
(16:19):
bored standing there for ten hours staring at a golf course,
et cetera, et cetera. And if that's not what they're using,
even with the psychological metrics for a secret service, it
needs to come in because we can tell you precisely
what is the psychological, intellectual, physical breakdown of an assaulter,
What is it of an intel analyst? What is of
someone on a protection detail? So if they don't have
(16:40):
those out their fingertips, they need to get the big
boys in to bring it in and get that brought
into a process that can then last for more than days,
weeks and months, but for years to come.
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just one more for you before we close up here.
I think Trump's gonna win this one.
Speaker 1 (17:57):
Man. I have no idea, you know, and I never
like to come on and be political, right but Here's
the thing, Buck, I don't think I shared this with
you when I always had the opportunity to meet with
PM net Yahoo. There were three things on his wall.
Did I mention this year before?
Speaker 3 (18:12):
No.
Speaker 1 (18:13):
One of them was a giant map of Gaza. A
giant map of Gaza. It filled the whole wall. To
the left of that was a framed picture of the
declaration signed by Harry Truman recognizing Israel as a sovereign state.
Next to that, it was two framed documents where President
(18:35):
Trump recognized Jerusalem as the capital of Israel and he
was going to move the embassy there. So I stood
in that office and I saw those things, and I thought,
am I being played? Are those things always on the wall?
Are is the fact that Trump recognized Jerusalem and moved
the embassy there really an equivalent to Truman recognizing Israel
(18:57):
as a sovereign state? And Buck, the answer is yes,
those are things if you like Donald Trump or you
hate Donald Trump, and we get we get way too
bogged down with personalities, right. We're comparing one personality against another,
not policies. And we've seen the policies from the Biden
administration that Harris is one hundred percent a part of
(19:18):
even though she tries to distance herself from it. And
we've seen the policies of Trump, and when it comes
to Israel, it is unequivocal. They are absolutely terrified of
a Harris administration. They are looking for Trump because they
are looking for continued support in that region. And right
now they're going it alone, and they're going to go
it alone through November into January. And if Trump isn't elected,
(19:42):
I fear that they're going to end up going it
alone for much longer than needs to be.
Speaker 2 (19:47):
Jeff Tig's always a pleasure to have you on. Jeff,
appreciate you. Thank you for your service and your expertise.
As always, we'll talk against soon.
Speaker 1 (19:54):
Thanks about God bless you
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Speaker 2 (00:20):
Hey guys, welcome to the Buck Brief. Jeff Tigus is
with us now. He is of the Special Operations Community
for a couple of decades, a guy who saw a
lot of combat in the War on Terror.
Speaker 3 (00:32):
He is now retired.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
And just got back from Israel where he had tremendous
access to Prime Minister Benjamin Nett. Yahoo top is really
defense officials got out and went into Gaza and he's
going to talk to us about the situation on the
ground over there right now, as there's more activity up
north with Hesbola. Jeff, good to see you.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
Thanks for having me back. Buck really appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
So we know that the Israelis pulled off a pretty
astonishing operation with the exploding pagers and radios, wounding a
couple of thousand terrorists. Now there are concerns that first
of all, were being told that Hesbela was about to
launch an offensive before the Israelis did that. That was
(01:19):
reported over the weekend, and there's the possibility of now
a Hesbela counter strike. How do you see that likely
playing out, what's the threat level and what do you
think happens.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
Yeah, a couple different things. I think some unique angles
to look at this buck and one of those is
recognizing and people figured out pretty quick those pagers had
been rigged a long time ago. These targets have been
designated within hes Blah a long time ago. Israel has
been tracking the movements of Hamas within Gaza. They've been
tracking the movements in Hesblat to the north, and what
(01:55):
they prioritized was hes Blah. So they were caught a
little bit with their pants down with Hamas, but their
more existential threat is from the north with Hesbla. So
people need to understand and recognize. Even though it appears
to many of us like this war has just begun,
it hasn't. These pieces have been getting put into place
on the chessboard for weeks and years. And one of
(02:18):
the things that I'm really proud about is the involvement
that I've had with Israel through the years as a
US soldier, specifically after two thousand and six when they
tangled with heads Black, they made a lot of mistakes.
They didn't have the intelligence that they needed, so they
began to prep from two thousand and six until now
to have the accuracy and precision and the efficiency of
(02:39):
what we're seeing. And people need to really understand and
appreciate that and also recognize when you talk about that
pager attack, the restraint that Israel used on the time
and place and when to actually execute that attack. And
it should be easy for Ugwin to understand who's intellectually
honest that Israel either responds to the attacks or they
(03:02):
have a preemptive strike, and that's exactly what we're seeing.
And they have absolutely obliterated the leadership of the Rodwan brigades,
which are the biggest threat coming out of Hesbelah. So
Hesbelah can rattle their swords, Iran can rattle their swords.
I personally don't believe that there will be a level
of escalation that any of us would be overly concerned with,
(03:23):
one because of the precision of the attacks that Israel
has been successful with. And two it's just part of
the mo of Iran and its proxies to just re
bellicos and scream and holler and shout and try to
win this fight in the media versus on the battlefield.
Speaker 2 (03:42):
The updates this morning from York Times were Israel and
Hesbela trade heavy fire, over one hundred and eighty killed
in Lebanon, seven hundred others injured, Israeli strikes in southern Lebanon,
sirens going off in northern Israel, Hesbel avowing to continue attacking. So,
I mean there's exchange of artillery and rocket fire going on,
(04:02):
right I mean, this is a reality right now up
in the north. But it sounds like, especially after that operation,
that these really were able to pull off. Hesbola is
limited in what it can do beyond that, and clearly
the Israelis could meet them if there was some kind
of escalation.
Speaker 3 (04:19):
I mean, they could bring up.
Speaker 2 (04:21):
Uh, you know, bring up more of their own heavier
weaponry and military force in the south. In Gaza, how
close is that operation against Hamas? I mean, you just
tell everyone you were in Gaza just a few weeks ago.
Speaker 3 (04:35):
What was that? What was that?
Speaker 1 (04:36):
Like?
Speaker 2 (04:36):
I mean what tell I mean, I know you've been
in a bunch of combat zones, Jeff, what's alike in
Gaza these days?
Speaker 1 (04:44):
The only way, the only thing I can compare to
what you see on the ground in Gaza is what
Mosul looked like after Isis had inhabited it and US
forces predominantly with the Iraqi forces retook it. Just just
the destruction, that is the most like battle that I
can come up with. Also because of the way that
Isis was using civilians, the way that Isis had the
(05:06):
buildings to blow. So it's interesting when we were there
couple of weeks ago, it was about eighty percent complete
and there were just kind of a pockets yet left
in the center where they still had to work through
and clear. And when we had that opportunity to sit
down with the Prime Minister, net Yahoo and if the
world is listening, Israel is telling us exactly what their
priorities are. They did not want a two front war.
(05:28):
When Hamas attacked out of Gaza. Their priority was to
decimate Hamas to ensure that they were able to protect
civilians in and around that southern border and recover the hostages.
Then their next phase was to get the displaced persons
up in north back to their homes. There's somewhere out
between sixteen eighty thousand displaced persons up there in the North.
(05:48):
So net Yahoo has been telling us exactly what his
intentions were Again hezblond Hamas tell us exactly what their
intentions were and are, so we shouldn't be surprised. So
I think, even though I haven't been on the ground
in a couple of weeks, I think the fact that
they have shifted from the Southern War to the Northern
War tells us they are very comfortable with what they
have at hand and what they have trolled within Gaza
(06:11):
to this point.
Speaker 2 (06:12):
I mean, Jeff, you've been a part of US military
elite kind of terrorism operations before.
Speaker 3 (06:19):
What's the environment.
Speaker 2 (06:21):
Like when when when the equivalent of an Israeli Tier
one unit is going in to rescue hostages in Gaza?
As as they have not enough of the hostages tragically
have been brought home. But I mean the preparation for
that kind of mission, and I mean, what's what's going
through your mind when you're having to do that behind
(06:42):
hostile lines? Each doorway is possibly you know, somebody in
trench with a with an ak ready to go. I mean,
just to take me through like how that kind of
operational planning and thinking presents itself.
Speaker 1 (06:58):
Yeah, when when you are dealing with Israel and the
Israeli Defense Force the IDF they have. Again, people have
to recognize and understand it's a conscript course. A young
man and a young woman have to serve with the
Israel government and many of them go into the military,
so a lot of their soldiers are very young. They
do have these professional elements that people know about with
(07:19):
the Sarah McCall and shell Dag you know, and even
your mom and those people train every single day, day
in and day out. But I think I mentioned last
time when I was here, the learning curve from what
these lower soldiers, all of these soldiers that have gone
into Gaza have to become a bit of a special
operations time because it's that close, battle, complicated fight. And
(07:41):
I am absolutely impressed on how that learning curve was
reached and how quickly even the regular id of soldiers
were prepared, and how they've integrated not just with the
special operations, with the engineers and blowing these tunnels, et cetera.
A special ops guy, this is what they do right,
They're ready and they're prepared at all times to get
(08:02):
the rest of the forces up to speed. Is something
that has been really impressive. And once again not to
jump out of the South, but back to the north.
We're not seeing that learning curve they learned back in
two thousand and six how they need to defeat Hezbolah
in the north. So we aren't seeing the mistakes, we
aren't seeing the things moving slowly. It is a precision
strike with the intel that they've gathered and all they're
(08:25):
asking for. Again when people recognize just like in Gaza,
they're asking for the control of Philadelphi Quarder and the
hostages returned in up in the north. With Hesbolah, they're
asking for hez blood return back beyond the Latani River,
which was agreed upon in two thousand and six with
the UN Council. So even the things that Israel is
(08:45):
asking for are things that the world years ago agree to.
But Hezbolah has been bulking on.
Speaker 2 (08:52):
How much more advanced are the forces that Hesbolah CA
can deploy talking on the infantry level than what Hamas
has or is it quite similar? I mean they both
have Iranian IRGC coods force trainers, right. I mean they've
had that for a long time. The Iranians have been
providing them whatever whatever skill said they can, but is
(09:16):
hesbela significantly more advanced. I know Hesbela has significantly more
missiles at rockets at its disposal.
Speaker 1 (09:25):
Two things that I want to comment on that real quickly,
buck One is these are terror armies. We talk of
them about them as terrorist groups. Hamas as a terror group.
Hezbelah is a terror group. Again, America is familiar with
al Qaeda and ISIS and Taliban. Taliban is now a
terror army. Hezbolah has always been a terror army. We've
(09:46):
allowed Hamas to become a terror army. So what Israel
continues to do is decimate that leadership. So the combat
skills of someone like the most. To answer your initial question,
it's they're sophisticated and they've got a combined arms maneuver.
But one of the things that I always fall back
to is what's the motivation. Shockingly, we saw them motivation
(10:10):
with Hamas. The level of hate that they had for
the Jewish people was something that even I wasn't prepared for.
I don't believe Hezbolah has that level of hate because
they're not inculcated as much with this idea of hate
the Jews. The Jews are response for everything, like you're
fed in Gaza, They're still indoctrinated with that. But Lebanon
(10:32):
is a free nation and there are parts of Lebanon
that are really thriving. So in addition to the capabilities
of Hesblah, which is now beheaded with most of its
capable leadership, I just don't think they really have the
drive for a ground fight. What is there to gain?
What is their motivation? We hate Israel, we hate the Jews,
(10:54):
whereas the Israelis have an existential threat looming above them
and they want to return to their homes in the North.
Speaker 2 (11:02):
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you in a second, talk a little bit about President
Trump's security between now and election day and beyond.
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assassination attempt on Trump.
Speaker 3 (12:08):
This guy.
Speaker 2 (12:09):
This time they fired first, meaning that they didn't allow
the would be assassin to get a shot off and
actually hit the president or hit President Trump. People have
talked a lot about maybe we need to bring in
you know, Eric Prince. I know Blackwater, it was z
and now it's something else. I forget what Constellus is
(12:31):
that right, it's got.
Speaker 3 (12:32):
Some new name.
Speaker 2 (12:33):
I don't even I don't know what the new name is.
But anyway, what do you think about that? As a
you know, how the interface between secret service a private
security entity working with the president.
Speaker 3 (12:45):
How do you view this? Basically?
Speaker 2 (12:48):
You know, you've had to keep high value target good
guys alive before. What needs to happen here to get
President Trump's security to where it should be.
Speaker 1 (12:59):
It needs to become prioritized, and they need to relook
how does they do business. The acting director of the
Secret Service, I heard him talk a couple of days
ago where he said, maybe it's time for us to
relook our standard operating PROCs. Maybe it's time to relook
our manning. And let me tie all this together with
for Rebuk. Okay, what we were just talking about with
with Hesbela. They killed Ibraham Akiel for us right. He
(13:21):
was responsible for the nineteen eighty three bombings, the Bay
Root bombings. The reason America didn't kill Ibraham Akiel because
it wasn't prioritized. We weren't really looking for him. He
was on our list. Why did it take us so
long to get bin laden Because it wasn't prioritized. He
was on our list, but it wasn't things that we
really put time and money and effort into because we
(13:42):
were focusing on other things. I don't know precisely what
the Secret Service is focusing on, but if they didn't
get a wake up call with the first assassination attempt,
they certainly have had a wake up call with the
second assassination attempt, and they need to prioritize the security
of what they're being tasked, or like you're I would
be fine with threatening if you can't do it, we'll
(14:04):
privatize it. But my first offer would be relook the
standard operating procedures within a sect service, get out anybody
who's politicized in that place, and get the job done
on how the American people would expect it. The lack
of confidence and the Secret Service I don't think has
ever been lower, and they've got a long ways to
(14:24):
go before they're going to instill that back into us.
I'm not ready to threaten them with privatizing it, but
I certainly certainly would put it on the wall and
tell them you need to be at this level of
proficiency and these tasks and you need to demonstrate those
tasks or else.
Speaker 2 (14:40):
I mean, is it something that let's say that the
decision was made that Trump wanted to do it, I mean,
would you just bring in, like, what kind of a
team do you think should be pulled together?
Speaker 3 (14:51):
Would it be a bunch.
Speaker 2 (14:52):
Of former Tier one guys like you who have seen
a lot of combat.
Speaker 3 (14:56):
And so have that experience. Would you also mix in.
Speaker 2 (14:59):
Some people with more local law enforcement, you know, swat
team commander types, Like, how would you do it on
the private side?
Speaker 3 (15:05):
Do you think if you had to pull it together?
Speaker 2 (15:07):
Because I mean, I know that if Trump does get
elected I've been hearing Jeff, I'll tell you that there
may be some use of contractors and a whole range
of security functions to try to up federal government capability,
which is what we certainly saw during the War on Terror.
But I'm just you know, give me a sketch, and
you're how does that look if we're going to have
an auxiliary force of elite protect protective detail for Donald Trump?
Speaker 1 (15:34):
I think you nailed it.
Speaker 3 (15:34):
Buck.
Speaker 1 (15:35):
You have to go straight to the professionals who used
to do this for a living and who really understand
mission over everything else. So I think the if this
was to happen, it would be coming from the community.
You know, people that are are in Tier one. There's
people that are working with the agency that all have
this expertise. But what I would tell you you bring
them in to initially plug the whole and to develop
(15:57):
a training an assessment pipeline. Because guys like me, guys
like Tier one, we just get bored with it. We
get bored with being a bodyguard. It isn't what we
set out to do. So while it is the short
term answer, you need to take that professionalism and bring
in the right person. And we know who that person is.
We know who has the right personality to not get
(16:19):
bored standing there for ten hours staring at a golf course,
et cetera, et cetera. And if that's not what they're using,
even with the psychological metrics for a secret service, it
needs to come in because we can tell you precisely
what is the psychological, intellectual, physical breakdown of an assaulter,
What is it of an intel analyst? What is of
someone on a protection detail? So if they don't have
(16:40):
those out their fingertips, they need to get the big
boys in to bring it in and get that brought
into a process that can then last for more than days,
weeks and months, but for years to come.
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I think Trump's gonna win this one.
Speaker 1 (17:57):
Man. I have no idea, you know, and I never
like to come on and be political, right but Here's
the thing, Buck, I don't think I shared this with
you when I always had the opportunity to meet with
PM net Yahoo. There were three things on his wall.
Did I mention this year before?
Speaker 3 (18:12):
No.
Speaker 1 (18:13):
One of them was a giant map of Gaza. A
giant map of Gaza. It filled the whole wall. To
the left of that was a framed picture of the
declaration signed by Harry Truman recognizing Israel as a sovereign state.
Next to that, it was two framed documents where President
(18:35):
Trump recognized Jerusalem as the capital of Israel and he
was going to move the embassy there. So I stood
in that office and I saw those things, and I thought,
am I being played? Are those things always on the wall?
Are is the fact that Trump recognized Jerusalem and moved
the embassy there really an equivalent to Truman recognizing Israel
(18:57):
as a sovereign state? And Buck, the answer is yes,
those are things if you like Donald Trump or you
hate Donald Trump, and we get we get way too
bogged down with personalities, right. We're comparing one personality against another,
not policies. And we've seen the policies from the Biden
administration that Harris is one hundred percent a part of
(19:18):
even though she tries to distance herself from it. And
we've seen the policies of Trump, and when it comes
to Israel, it is unequivocal. They are absolutely terrified of
a Harris administration. They are looking for Trump because they
are looking for continued support in that region. And right
now they're going it alone, and they're going to go
it alone through November into January. And if Trump isn't elected,
(19:42):
I fear that they're going to end up going it
alone for much longer than needs to be.
Speaker 2 (19:47):
Jeff Tig's always a pleasure to have you on. Jeff,
appreciate you. Thank you for your service and your expertise.
As always, we'll talk against soon.
Speaker 1 (19:54):
Thanks about God bless you
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