June 15, 2023 • 34 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:11):
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Speaker 2 (00:20):
Hey, everybody, Welcome to the Buck Sexton Show. Very special
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from his omnipresent Internet presence, the formidable Dave Rubin of
the Ruben Report Show, which you can all watch on
Rumble and listen to the podcast. And mister Rubin is
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an honor. Good to have you here, sir.
Speaker 1 (00:43):
Fuck I'm feeling very overdressed. I'm wearing like a very
well fitting jacket, nice shirt today, and you're in a
black T shirt. There's an asymmetry here that I don't
know that we're gonna be able to get past.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
I think we're just gonna have to roll with it.
We go casual for the podcast.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
Here.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
You gotta remember, I'm a radio I feel like i'm
your agent right now. You're like or these days. I
feel like lawyer might be the way people are thinking
that might be better. But yeah, no, I think that
you're used to being a video TV personality. I remember
the old days, not that long ago, when as a
radio host you could just sit there and wear like
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the biggest slumpiest sweatshirt you have, and nobody even knew.
Now everything is streaming, Dave, We've entered this new world
where everyone's streaming all the time, you.
Speaker 1 (01:29):
Know, Buck. I don't know if you know this, but
I actually started in a broadcast sense. My first show
ever was on Sirius XM. This is maybe fifteen years ago,
quite some time ago, but yeah, I remember wandering around
the halls over at Sirius XM, and you know they
were at the time. I don't know who's left on
Sirious now, but back then a lot of big celebrities
and obviously Howard Stern and everybody else. And you'd walk
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past these guys thinking that they were like these ultra
elite people, and everybody basically looked like crap and was
wearing sweatpants and holes in their shirts and everything else.
You've never seen Martha Stewart without in makeup. It ain't pretty,
tell you that much, Baron.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
Oh, what'd you think of her on the cover of
a swimsuit issue?
Speaker 1 (02:08):
Though I've ever been gayer, it made me a little gayer. Frankly,
I thought you looked I mean, you know, it's like
I saw it. It's like with air brushing, they can
do anything they you know what I mean, Like they
could they could literally do anything between air brushing and AI.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
So this isn't I know, we could talk about like
the future of the country and all that stuff. In
a second, I think though, that we're entering an era
where between what's this between ozembic TRT anabolic steroids, filters
and uh, you know, photoshop. It's like, no, no, no
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one really knows what anyone looks like based on their
public persona anymore, right, Like it's all there are a
million ways to put your hand on the scale one
way or another.
Speaker 1 (02:57):
Dude. Not only that that's all the visual stuff, but
you know with AI now and everything else they can
do with your voice and deep fakes. It's like we
are really I mean joking aside, We are like sort
of at the uncanny valley right now where we do
not know in three years it would be very possible
for them to put up The President of the United
States has announced that we have just knew China and
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how many people will fall for it for and will
have every reason to fall for it because it will
look exactly right it'll look like it's at the Rose Garden,
it'll sound like the president and everything else. So it's
going to be a big mess.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
So here's what I see coming, Dave in the I
think in the twenty twenty four election cycle, this is
even likely to happen, and it's it doesn't even have
to be something that really confuses people at the top
level down right. So it's not like CNN and the
New York Times have to say, oh, well, do we
think this video is real. They can even put out there,
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oh this is unverified or whatever, but there'll still be
a lot of people with these AI deep fakes who
believe it and vote on it. I mean, I think
it was thirty percent of Democrats as of the Biden
administration still believe Russia collusion happened, and at one point
it was like seventy percent, right, So if you see
a video of something, even if it could be fake,
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you'll believe whatever you want to believe at this point,
at least for a lot.
Speaker 1 (04:18):
Of You know, that's a great point if you think
about all of the lies over the last couple of years,
so you know, Russiagate, all of the COVID lies, Jesse Smilette,
Brett Kavanaugh as a serial rapist, Kyle Rittenhouse is a
white supremacist. The Covington kids are all racists. Like if
you just go through all the lives, that's all without
deep fakes and AI. So you're right once we now
add this into the mix, if you think of how
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many people you know are basically NPC's non playable characters
who just believe whatever it is that the machine spits
at them at any given day. Oh man, I was.
I was having a very hopeful day till we started this,
and now I've realized we're in a lot of trouble.
I thought we were turning the corner and freedom was
about to win.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
I always think that until I wake up in the
morning and I look at what's going on all over
the interwebs. Dave, Yeah, waking up is terrible, And then
it feels pretty sad to me. Yeah, No, I understand.
It's the old. The older I get, the more I appreciate,
you know, alternate reality dreams that we can all have.
And now I guess in.
Speaker 1 (05:13):
Florida, Man, you live in Florida, It's gonna be just
fine here. All hell is gonna be breaking loose everywhere
else and we'll be it'll be the end. I mean,
I accept that Florida will be the last place standing,
and it could be a little messy at the end.
But you've been to my place, like we could hang out.
I got a basketball court, whatever you need.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
It is nice. I do you're familiar with.
Speaker 1 (05:33):
By the way, what was that. I have a decent
sized fence. I think it's about six foot around the perimeter,
so very nice.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
So I have a lot of weapons. So if the
zombie apocalypse happens, I'll show up. You know what I mean,
you you and and and the husband. You guys can
can give me a safe refuge and I'll keep the
zombies off your property.
Speaker 1 (05:52):
Yow. We'll get you up top with the sniper rifle.
I've got a full house generator. We got a lot
of baby food here. You're good, You're good.
Speaker 2 (05:59):
I'll tell you why The Walking Dead was such an
incredibly popular show because every Second Amendment enthusiast out there
they're fond of sol is that in the zombie apocalypse
they get to be like the one guy in the
in the band of survivors who's got that that ar fifteen,
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Like ready to go with their EO tech sited in
and they're just they're just popping zombies left and right,
like there's nothing more exciting than that.
Speaker 1 (06:27):
Unless you're the chick with the two big knives with
the dreadlocks, and she kept them on a leash.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
Remember she had a katana sword, I believe, Yeah, she was.
Speaker 1 (06:36):
Something else that one. Whatever happened to her.
Speaker 2 (06:38):
So you watch that seriously?
Speaker 1 (06:39):
I would not. I watched. I watched the first four
or five season then and then actually I know the
exact episode that I stopped watching. I think it was
the I think it was season five episode one. Remember
when they had that very graphic thing of all of
them kind of sitting in a circle and the guy
starts clubbing them with the baseball bat break.
Speaker 2 (06:56):
And I couldn't. I stopped after that.
Speaker 1 (06:58):
Yeah, I literally stopped halfway through that episode. I said,
you know what, I love zombie movies. I love sci fi,
I love dystopia, I love murder and Mayhem. And I
was just like, we're just putting this one down now.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
And I thought she a level of nihilism. I got
pretty close. I'll be honest, there are sometimes I thought
the first two seasons of Game of Thrones were like
some of the best TV I had seen at that
time ever, But there were different points in that series
too where it felt to me like is this just
nihilistic sadism for its own sake? Like what really is
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the point here? And then the final season or two
or final season, I guess I think everyone kind of
agreed with David, we have to save the country. So
as much as I want to talk to you about
all the fun things out there, we can talk about war.
Speaker 1 (07:39):
All right, Let's do Game of Thrones reality version. Trump DeSantis?
What's gonna happen.
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Speaker 1 (07:51):
I'll have a sip of coffee.
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to say about Trump DeSantis. But we had our friend
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Especially on page one, that's a key to the whole thing.
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All right, So Trump, DeSantis, let it rid, my friend,
we tell everybody where you stand and why.
Speaker 1 (09:39):
Okay, look, here we go. I did not vote for
Trump the first time. I did not know who I
was going to vote for as I went to the
ballot box on that November in twenty fifteen. I hated Hillary.
I was, I wasn't there yet on Trump. I ended
up voting for Gary Johnson because I had had him
on the show. He liked Weed. I was like, eh, all.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
Right, now I know why you have a sense of
humor about yourself. You voted for Gary Johnson for God's sake. Anyway,
he was hard.
Speaker 1 (10:04):
He was a hard you know, I'm mostly libertarian. I
know you have a lot of libertarian beliefs too, but
he was a horrible libertary candidate. I mean, the guy
just he was Aleppo was the highlight of the campaign. Well,
let's not get lost on Gary Johnson. Point is. I
did not vote for Trump, however, and you can find
this video on YouTube or wherever else. The day after
Trump was inaugurated, I put out a video. I didn't
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even have a studio yet because I had just moved
into a new home, so I did a video off
my phone in my backyard construction in the background saying, look,
Trump's the president now, and I think we got to
give this guy a chance, because what if he doesn't
get us into wars? What if the economy's doing well?
And I laid out a series of other what ifs
that might be positive, and he basically nailed all of
those things until COVID. I obviously supported him big time
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the second time around. I was at rallies in LA
all the time. The Trump rallies loved every second of it.
I've interviewed Trump, I've been to mar A Lago. I'm
friends with several of the kids. They're a good family,
He was a good president. Did he screw up some stuff.
The wall didn't get done, he bungled COVID, and you know,
hindsight's twenty twenty and all that. However, all of that
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being said, that does not mean all the good parts
of him. He read pilled everybody, he woke us up
to CNN, his fake news in the failing New York Times,
all the stuff, right, But that does not mean he
should be king forever. And it is fairly obvious to
me as a New Floridian in the past year and
a half. And I think you're how long are you
even less than that? Right? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (11:29):
Like gosh, I came hi to the math call it
eight months?
Speaker 1 (11:32):
Yeah right, you're not even a year. But you've seen
how incredibly well run this state is, and it's in
large part because of Ron de Santis. Ron de Santis
created a bastion of freedom in the craziest time in
modern American history. Not only did the COVID stuff right,
but has done virtually everything right. And not only that,
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he did everything right, every single thing. And I would
welcome you or anyone watching this to find the flaw
on this. What has he set out to do that
he has not accomplished since he has been governor. He
got everything done he has tried to get done. He
did the Disney thing. We've gotten wokeness out of school.
He's fighting everybody across the board. We have a surplus
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in Florida. We get one point three million people have
moved here in less than three years, twelve hundred people
a day. Our infrastructure, which is stretched because of our success,
is building super fast. He's cutting regulation related to building.
I mean, everything is working here, and that is the
blueprint that I think has to be exported to America.
On top of the fact that Trump, whether you like
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Trump or not, what was the main thing that all
the people on the fence, You know, there's not many
people in America that can move. You have your Republicans,
you have your Democrats. And then there's this question. I
don't know what it is. It's a twenty percent, is
a ten percent of this middle ground people that those
are the ones that can move? Right? Well, what did
most of those people say about Trump? They were like, well,
you know, I like the policy, I just don't like
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the grab them by the pussy, and I don't like
the tweets blah, blah blah. Well, here you have with DeSantis,
a forty four year old he's younger than me, forty
four year old, father of three, with a great wife,
and Casey DeSantis good man. There's no reason to believe
they're going to find any crazy skeletons in his closet.
He believes in this country there aren't going to be scandals.
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I think he's given us everything that we could want
out of a politician. I don't worship politicians at all
at all, and they will always let you down. But
every now and again, especially in a crazy time like
we've been in in these last four years or whatever
you want to say, somebody shows up. Somebody shows up
and is ready to do it. And I think when
that person shows up, you got to back them. And
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it's just very clear. And just one other thing on this.
That's why I've been hitting Trump the way I have,
because there is a case to be made for Trump.
The case to be made for Trump is, Hey, before COVID,
I was rolling man, and we didn't get into wars,
and Russia wasn't in Ukraine and everything else, lowest all
time black unemployment, blah blah blah. But instead of making
that case. Trump every day basically for the last three months,
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has woke up, got onto truth social and lied about
DeSantis and or Florida. The attacks make no sense. He's
not a rhino. If Ron DeSantis is a rhino, then
everyone's a rhino because he's done everything a conservative could
have ever wanted. Some things that are more conservative than
I would even want. The six week abortion thing, for example.
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I know that's I'm not in line with most conservatives
on that. I'm just showing you that I have some
difference of opinion with the guy. But you know, Trump
lying about Florida, pretending New York was better on COVID,
I mean, there's some stuff that's not even that I
don't even want to repeat some of the things that
he's said about DeSantis. So that's been why I've had
to push back on him the way that I have.
Speaker 2 (14:42):
But I will say this, yeah, go ahead, go ahead,
and then I got a question, just say well.
Speaker 1 (14:46):
No, no, no, one last thing. Although I obviously want DeSantis
to be president, and I think he could be a
Reagan esque transformative president, getting us through woke, showing us
how to deal with the mainstream media, good family man
in the White House. I think it's all great. If
this thing ends in a year and a half and
it's now it's January twenty five and Donald Trump is
the president and Ron DeSantis is my governor, I will
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be fine with that, would I do not is Joe
Biden or Kamala Harris or god forbid, Gavin Newsom.
Speaker 2 (15:14):
So that's a that's a perfect transition point, Dave, because
when you come back, I just want to ask you.
Let's assume for a second that I was gonna say Biden,
pardon me, DeSantis wins the primary and is up against
Biden in the general election.
Speaker 1 (15:29):
He will not be up against Biden. They will take there.
Speaker 2 (15:32):
Is no okay, all right, let's come back to that,
because I was going to say people on the a
lot of the Trump voters that I speak to say,
just Sant just can't win, can't win against can't win
a national level election. He's a governor, he's not a president. Right,
That's what they say. We can get to that, but
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of the Ruben Report. First off, Joe Biden's not gonna
be You're on the Bill O'Reilly side of this. I
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want to tell you, Bill and I have had a
few We've had a few back and forths on the
radio over this one. I say it's gonna be Biden.
They don't care. They would roll Biden out with a
blanket across his knees, drooling and feeding a apple sauce,
and they'll s this is the Democrat nominee because they
just you know, nothing matter, they don't care. You say no,
tell me, why, tell me why in what happens?
Speaker 1 (17:14):
Well, first off, I probably could make both your arguments,
because on one hand, I can make your argument that,
no matter how bad it is with Biden, whether he
has completely zombified and he's drooling and all the stuff,
that so many people are so bamboozled by mainstream media
and everything else, that they could roll him out there
as a vegetable and people would still say that he
won the debate. So I can make that argument. The
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other argument, I haven't heard Bill make it, but my
argument would be that the juxtaposition good word. That's a
good word for you, Buck. The juxtaposition of having Ron DeSantis,
forty four years old, in complete command of all of
the issues. You know, DeSantis, We've been to events together.
This guy freaking remembers everything. He remembers where he was
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for every vote, he remembers the numbers of the votes,
what people were wearing, blah blah blah. He has complete
command of the ideas and America's history and everything else.
The juxtaposition of versus a bumbling, old, buffoonish Biden. And
also you got to keep in mind again this is
the debates will be about a year from now, a
little more than a year from now. The level that
he could still fall from where he's at now, which
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ain't good, is could be quite significant. I just don't
think they can risk putting that on stage. And the
fact that we're seeing so much out of Gavin Newsom
right now. And remember Gavin Newsom. Remember a couple of
months ago, Biden took an international trip and then Gavin
Newsom magically appeared at the White House. That felt like
a low grade coup to me, there is just no
doubt you have. The Democrats are so freaking corrupt. Look,
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the Republicans suck. They screw us up all the time.
They never do anything right once you give them a
chance to do it. But I don't think they're downright evil.
The Democrats are so evil. Just ask Bernie Sanders what
they did to him last time. Just asked Tulsey Gabbard
when she was the last one going against Biden, and
Hillary said that she was a Russian asset, a woman
who's in our military right now, literally right this moment,
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leading a brigade doing training. These people are so corrupt
that there is no doubt in my mind that if
they have to figure out a way to get rid
of Biden. I mean, that's just step one. If you
get rid of Biden, now you have Kamala. They know
they can't run Kamala. So now you got to figure
out a way to get a man who I think
is genuinely a lizard person from another planet, Gavin Newsom,
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soulless liver, lizard person. You gotta get him in. So
the machinations and trickery, I just don't put anything by them.
How about that.
Speaker 2 (19:34):
I think that's a fair place to be. I think
it's interesting. Do you agree with my co host Clay
that even though you know he's destroying the state of California.
You find Gavin Newsom personally likable. This was a big
This is a big back and forth that Clay and
I had.
Speaker 1 (19:52):
Thinks he's likable.
Speaker 2 (19:54):
Yeah, very he is.
Speaker 1 (19:55):
He's I'm shocked. I'm shocked. Uh for I'll have to
discuss this.
Speaker 2 (20:00):
Yeah, you and Clay should fight this one out, because
I mean, I think he's slick. I wouldn't.
Speaker 1 (20:04):
I would never.
Speaker 2 (20:05):
I would never say. I did call him evil Keanu
Reeves once, because that's kind of what becomes across, like
see that that one works. Clay likes that one too,
But I think that people see there's just something so
like unctuous, so just is like it's so sleazy with gay.
Speaker 1 (20:23):
He's the he's the he's the bad guy in a
Disney movie, or he's the bad guy in an eighties
Schwarzenegger movie that's supposed to be the good guy the
whole time and turns out to be the bad guy.
He's so fabricous.
Speaker 2 (20:33):
Bill Pax Aliens remember that one, Bill packs and Bill
Pax is a good guy. No, No, Paul Reiser, he's
Paul Reiser and Aliens. There we go, Paul Riser and Aliens.
Speaker 1 (20:41):
He works for the company, right, and then you find
out some stuff. Yes, he is. He's deeply, deeply evil
and I really mean that and what I mean by evil.
I said this on Fox the other day and I
was I said, they said, what do you think of him?
I think I said something like he's an evil psychopath,
And it was on Fox Business. The host was like, well,
that's a bit much, and I was like, no, actually,
it's not. Everything this man touches in the public sphere
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goes to U crack, whether it's San Francisco or California
at large. Somehow, though, is plump Jack Winery his forty
two acres in Sonomo over there they managed to stay
open during COVID. Somehow the guy got to French laundry
during COVID. Blah blah blah. But on the likability factor,
I really don't understand client's position on that because he
strikes me as the most inauthentic shell of a human being.
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That's why I call him a lizard person. There's no
real person there. There's someone that is on an endless
quest for power. That's all there is with him. I
don't see how that's likable in any way whatsoever. I
don't See, he doesn't strike me as pleasant or decent
or fun even if I disagreed with the policies. You know,
there are people you could go, Okay, they're pleasant or likable.
(21:49):
I suppose I just disagree with them. But no, I
get pure stench of death evil off that guy.
Speaker 2 (21:56):
Oh that's a strong opinion on Gavinussom. I want to
let's talk about the free speech battle here in a second,
but more specifically, how do you think Elon's doing with Twitter?
So I know you spent some time out there, and
and how this is going to factor into not just
the twenty twenty four election but politics going forward. You know,
what are we going to do about Google? How's rumble dooing?
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All that kind of can we do with some of
that stuff? We'll come back, Dave, talk about this. Yeah,
because you're very involved, come back and do that stuff
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Speaker 1 (23:39):
Tell me, look, I've been up to Twitter a couple
of times. I've spent a few hours with Elon I
think he is a really good human being. He really is.
There is a softness and a decency and a thoughtfulness
to him. I actually genuinely believe he bought Twitter for
the right reasons. It's why he doesn't even want to
(23:59):
bring it public now, you know, the thing is purging money.
If he wanted to bring it public, meaning just get
other investors involved and get shareholders back in to stop
some of the bleeding, he could do that, but he
doesn't want to do it because he wants to control
it so that they can fix it. He has massive
freaking problems there. They no doubt have bad guys that
are still there. You know, he fired They had about
(24:20):
seven thousand, five hundred employees. He fired half of them,
so they've got a little over three thousand. He still
has people he has to fire. He's not sure who
all the bad guys are, meaning literally programmers that might
be doing things that you know, might be shadow banning
you or me, And he just doesn't know about it,
So he has huge problems. The code is written incredibly horribly,
as he described to me in a long Twitter thread
(24:42):
that I put out after the first time I was there.
So they have huge, huge issues. You know, he's trying
to go more into the video space, make it more
of a YouTube rumble type competitor. There's a lot of
work that has to be done by that. He also
is still using Amazon Aws, which is a big problem
because if Amazon itself wanted to parlor him, they could.
(25:03):
Meaning you know, right after January sixth, they didn't like Parlor,
and it was it had nothing to do with January sixth,
that was the excuse, but Parlor was the new guy.
They were getting twenty three monthly million unique users and
they just flip a switch. Amazon blows them up. So
he has a problem there. I mean, he definitely has
some weak points. All that being said, I think he
will continue to fight the good fight. And you know,
(25:23):
in terms of what he's done, say with Twitter spaces,
the DeSantis announcement, he's had RFK on, he's offered it
to every presidential candidate. I think that's all good. But Buck,
as you and I have talked about before, over drinks.
Twitter seems off still, the engagement seems very bizarre. It's
hard to make sense of any of it. Things that
I used to write that would literally get ten thousand
(25:45):
retweets within three minutes, you know, now get one hundred
likes or something, and people's behaviors change. By the way.
I don't think everything's up to conspiracy, but something kind
of doesn't feel right. You know. He also had that
comment where he said, what was it. We'll have freedom
of speech, but not freedom of reach. And that's a
very slippery slope because Okay, we're not going to ban
(26:07):
you outright for your speech, but we can depress the
view use that's actually more subversive in a weird way,
especially if you don't know the rules around that. So
I think he's got a lot of crap to deal with.
I can tell you this, and you know, I'm part
owner of Rumble because I started locals dot com, which
eventually merged. We are a free speech platform period as
long as you do not break the laws of the
(26:28):
United States. You can put on whatever you want, you
can title your videos whatever you want, you can gender
anyone the way you want. And we are fighting very,
very hard for free speech. As a matter of fact,
we are not on in France right now, Rumble because
the government of Rumble, they were upset that we had
RT Russia today uses Rumble. They said you got to
(26:48):
get our t off or we're going to take you
off in France, and we said we're not going to
do it. And we are no longer on in France
because Chris Pavlovski, who's the CEO, the guy's standing up
for our principles. There's a cost, of course by not
being on in France, and you know, people always have
ways with VPNs or whatever to get around it. But
the point is we have an incredible team of people
that are fighting for the right things, and that's why
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we merged in the first place. That's why I did it.
Speaker 2 (27:13):
Zutlo not on in France. Blue, I was, we're gonna
go Soccra. So here's the thing, soccer Blue. All my
French friends, all like three of them my whole life.
They're like, that's not a French thing, that's a French
Canadian thing. And I'm like, oh, we're supposed to. We're
supposed to, you know, differentiate between like the Mounties and
(27:35):
the baguette eaters over in France, like it's all the
same thing.
Speaker 1 (27:39):
No, we're Americans. It's a miracle. We know the difference
between Mexico and Canada. It's for point, Mexico's the one
up north.
Speaker 2 (27:45):
Right, fair enough, So are we doing much better than
we uh going into this election? I think people forget
that in twenty twenty we were at an absolute low
point of free speech online for conservative voices, right, COVID stuff,
BLM stuff, a lot of there was a lot of
(28:07):
just different suppression, you know, oh this is anti science
and all that stuff. Do you think that we're in
a better place now and what has to happen for
us to be able to line up the artillery pieces
of free speech on our side so that we can
start to match the censorious and totalitarian impulses of the
(28:27):
Democrat side. Well, I would say, broadly speaking, we're in
a better situation.
Speaker 1 (28:31):
Right. YouTube is rolling back some of their election stuff
so that you can question that they're changing some things
related to gender pronouns and all that. And obviously Twitter
exists with elon now, and there are alternative platforms like Rumble,
So broadly speaking, we're in a better situation. I think
The thing that I'm worried about more so is that
(28:52):
as we all kind of go off in our own
little corners, and you know, the people that listen to
my show have a certain sense of the world, and
it's pretty somewhat similar obviously to the people that listen
to you and Clay, But that's very, very different than
the person that watches MSNBC. It's very different than the person.
I don't even know what the YouTube equivalent either one
of us is. I can't even believe that anyone watches
(29:12):
these miserable left these top politics. But okay, I guess
they exist somewhere, but we are increasingly all just living
in our separate world. So for example, you know, when
did you see this? The other day on Sunday night
was the Tony Awards, and one of the actresses from
Hamilton gets up there and she says that Ron DeSantis
is the Grand Wizard of the KKK, and it's like,
(29:33):
I get it, She's just being provocative and stupid. But
they all applaud like seals and they throw them little
fish and or or It's great, okay, fine, but the
fact that that is a joke that anyone laughs at
or even things is remotely true, or that there's anything
close to racism being tolerated in Florida, or that you
can't be gay in Florida, or whatever it might be.
It shows that we are so out of whack with
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each other that I don't know how you bridge that divide.
So that's not a direct answer to your question on
free speech, as sort of like the banner version of it.
But I am worried about the disconnect that we all
have from each other. And you know, look, we all
have this thing, we all have apps, and the question
is how do we have anything that will bring us
to some sort of national cohesion beyond just tragedy, Right,
(30:17):
Like I don't want another nine to eleven so that
we can suddenly all be like, oh, I guess we
could have let go of some of that petty nonsense.
But in a weird way, it feels like that's the
only thing that can bring us together now because goodness
is portrayed as evil by these guys. The goodness that
you and I know of Florida, where it's working and
it's American and it's great and it's flourishing and all
(30:39):
those things that is portrayed every single day as evil
on the View and on MSNBC and CNN, and whether
we like it or not, people watch those things less
and less people, but people do. And I don't know
how you do? You do you have any idea, like
how do we get over that chasm?
Speaker 2 (30:55):
I worry that we're increasingly not only in a political
world of dueling propaganda machines, but that people are now
being forced to increasingly adopt not just wrong but anti
truth positions like the polar opposite of truth to be
(31:16):
part of a political tribe like that's and I think
that this is on the left all over the place now,
and that's why the atomization of the media that's occurring
is well for people like us, an opportunity. It's interesting.
It also shows you that we were not arguing over
the same facts anymore.
Speaker 1 (31:34):
Right, Well, that's why when Trump went crazy on Florida,
remember that Friday where he put out that truth social post.
Speaker 2 (31:40):
And just I was like, this is crazy, guys. I
love Trump in so many ways, but Florida is awesome
and he knows it and everyone knows it, and this
is garbage. And I got a lot of heat for it,
but I don't care because I'm not living in the reality. Well, Buck, you.
Speaker 1 (31:54):
And I have discussed this over drinks many times, Like,
at the end of the day, if for us to
do what we do for a living, all I can
do is tell people what I think, and sometimes they're
going to like it, and sometimes they aren't. Right. But
if I was to wake up every morning and be like, oh,
what does my audience want or I'm a little scared
of this section of my audience or whatever, I'd be
freaking miserable, and honestly I would do something else right,
(32:15):
Like I really mean that, I really mean that. So
I think you're similar in that regard. You tell people
what you think and sometimes you're going to take callers
that are pissed at you, and sometimes people agree with you.
But I think ultimately most people, and it may not
be the commenters on YouTube, but most people actually respect
people that they feel are being authentic about things because
that comes across. So you know, Gavin Newsom, for example,
(32:37):
is deeply inauthentic. That's what I would say. So that's
why I want to ask Clay about it, because I
don't know how someone could be so inauthentic and also likable.
I don't see how those two things can coexist at
the same time. But that's why when Trump went on
that crazy anti Florida tirade, and I really was going
after him that day because it felt like, you're attacking
my home, you're attacking my family, you're attacking the place
(32:59):
that was the refuge for literally hundreds of thousands and
ultimately over a million Americans when COVID was going crazy.
I just did a bunch of stops in Europe and
everywhere there. You're from Florida, you moved to Florida, Dave
How's life in Florida. Florida's America. But people love Florida,
they love DeSantis. So when he did that, and by
(33:20):
the way, you know when he did that, the night before,
he had twelve Florida Congress people at Marlago who all
announced that they were supporting him. Then at nine am
the next morning on truth Social he puts up a
post saying how horrible Florida is. So he gets these
Congress people in there for a fancy dinner at Marlago,
and it's very nice. We've both been there. But then
(33:42):
the next morning he throws them all under the bus,
and it's like, how many times has he done this?
How many times has he done this? But I get it.
I get the point. A certain set of people are
going to excuse it no matter what, and you just
have to you just have to slog through.
Speaker 2 (33:58):
I suppose, Dave Rubin, everybody check out the Ruben Report
on Rumble right. That's the home of the Ruben Report.
I would assume that is the.
Speaker 1 (34:08):
Home of the Ruben Report. It's also on the YouTube
for as long as they'll let us be there. And
you know, we're on the other podcast platforms. And sometimes
I'm just wandering around the streets in Florida and people
can find me and that's nice too, Dave.
Speaker 2 (34:20):
I will see you, see you at the home with
the fancy sushi at the party soon, my friend. Thank
you so much. Good to see you.
Speaker 1 (34:28):
Thank you for not doxing me. But yes, there will
be sushi.
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Speaker 2 (00:20):
Hey, everybody, Welcome to the Buck Sexton Show. Very special
guest on this episode. Many of you will know him
from his omnipresent Internet presence, the formidable Dave Rubin of
the Ruben Report Show, which you can all watch on
Rumble and listen to the podcast. And mister Rubin is
(00:40):
an honor. Good to have you here, sir.
Speaker 1 (00:43):
Fuck I'm feeling very overdressed. I'm wearing like a very
well fitting jacket, nice shirt today, and you're in a
black T shirt. There's an asymmetry here that I don't
know that we're gonna be able to get past.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
I think we're just gonna have to roll with it.
We go casual for the podcast.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
Here.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
You gotta remember, I'm a radio I feel like i'm
your agent right now. You're like or these days. I
feel like lawyer might be the way people are thinking
that might be better. But yeah, no, I think that
you're used to being a video TV personality. I remember
the old days, not that long ago, when as a
radio host you could just sit there and wear like
(01:21):
the biggest slumpiest sweatshirt you have, and nobody even knew.
Now everything is streaming, Dave, We've entered this new world
where everyone's streaming all the time, you.
Speaker 1 (01:29):
Know, Buck. I don't know if you know this, but
I actually started in a broadcast sense. My first show
ever was on Sirius XM. This is maybe fifteen years ago,
quite some time ago, but yeah, I remember wandering around
the halls over at Sirius XM, and you know they
were at the time. I don't know who's left on
Sirious now, but back then a lot of big celebrities
and obviously Howard Stern and everybody else. And you'd walk
(01:52):
past these guys thinking that they were like these ultra
elite people, and everybody basically looked like crap and was
wearing sweatpants and holes in their shirts and everything else.
You've never seen Martha Stewart without in makeup. It ain't pretty,
tell you that much, Baron.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
Oh, what'd you think of her on the cover of
a swimsuit issue?
Speaker 1 (02:08):
Though I've ever been gayer, it made me a little gayer. Frankly,
I thought you looked I mean, you know, it's like
I saw it. It's like with air brushing, they can
do anything they you know what I mean, Like they
could they could literally do anything between air brushing and AI.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
So this isn't I know, we could talk about like
the future of the country and all that stuff. In
a second, I think though, that we're entering an era
where between what's this between ozembic TRT anabolic steroids, filters
and uh, you know, photoshop. It's like, no, no, no
(02:48):
one really knows what anyone looks like based on their
public persona anymore, right, Like it's all there are a
million ways to put your hand on the scale one
way or another.
Speaker 1 (02:57):
Dude. Not only that that's all the visual stuff, but
you know with AI now and everything else they can
do with your voice and deep fakes. It's like we
are really I mean joking aside, We are like sort
of at the uncanny valley right now where we do
not know in three years it would be very possible
for them to put up The President of the United
States has announced that we have just knew China and
(03:18):
how many people will fall for it for and will
have every reason to fall for it because it will
look exactly right it'll look like it's at the Rose Garden,
it'll sound like the president and everything else. So it's
going to be a big mess.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
So here's what I see coming, Dave in the I
think in the twenty twenty four election cycle, this is
even likely to happen, and it's it doesn't even have
to be something that really confuses people at the top
level down right. So it's not like CNN and the
New York Times have to say, oh, well, do we
think this video is real. They can even put out there,
(03:53):
oh this is unverified or whatever, but there'll still be
a lot of people with these AI deep fakes who
believe it and vote on it. I mean, I think
it was thirty percent of Democrats as of the Biden
administration still believe Russia collusion happened, and at one point
it was like seventy percent, right, So if you see
a video of something, even if it could be fake,
(04:16):
you'll believe whatever you want to believe at this point,
at least for a lot.
Speaker 1 (04:18):
Of You know, that's a great point if you think
about all of the lies over the last couple of years,
so you know, Russiagate, all of the COVID lies, Jesse Smilette,
Brett Kavanaugh as a serial rapist, Kyle Rittenhouse is a
white supremacist. The Covington kids are all racists. Like if
you just go through all the lives, that's all without
deep fakes and AI. So you're right once we now
add this into the mix, if you think of how
(04:39):
many people you know are basically NPC's non playable characters
who just believe whatever it is that the machine spits
at them at any given day. Oh man, I was.
I was having a very hopeful day till we started this,
and now I've realized we're in a lot of trouble.
I thought we were turning the corner and freedom was
about to win.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
I always think that until I wake up in the
morning and I look at what's going on all over
the interwebs. Dave, Yeah, waking up is terrible, And then
it feels pretty sad to me. Yeah, No, I understand.
It's the old. The older I get, the more I appreciate,
you know, alternate reality dreams that we can all have.
And now I guess in.
Speaker 1 (05:13):
Florida, Man, you live in Florida, It's gonna be just
fine here. All hell is gonna be breaking loose everywhere
else and we'll be it'll be the end. I mean,
I accept that Florida will be the last place standing,
and it could be a little messy at the end.
But you've been to my place, like we could hang out.
I got a basketball court, whatever you need.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
It is nice. I do you're familiar with.
Speaker 1 (05:33):
By the way, what was that. I have a decent
sized fence. I think it's about six foot around the perimeter,
so very nice.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
So I have a lot of weapons. So if the
zombie apocalypse happens, I'll show up. You know what I mean,
you you and and and the husband. You guys can
can give me a safe refuge and I'll keep the
zombies off your property.
Speaker 1 (05:52):
Yow. We'll get you up top with the sniper rifle.
I've got a full house generator. We got a lot
of baby food here. You're good, You're good.
Speaker 2 (05:59):
I'll tell you why The Walking Dead was such an
incredibly popular show because every Second Amendment enthusiast out there
they're fond of sol is that in the zombie apocalypse
they get to be like the one guy in the
in the band of survivors who's got that that ar fifteen,
(06:19):
Like ready to go with their EO tech sited in
and they're just they're just popping zombies left and right,
like there's nothing more exciting than that.
Speaker 1 (06:27):
Unless you're the chick with the two big knives with
the dreadlocks, and she kept them on a leash.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
Remember she had a katana sword, I believe, Yeah, she was.
Speaker 1 (06:36):
Something else that one. Whatever happened to her.
Speaker 2 (06:38):
So you watch that seriously?
Speaker 1 (06:39):
I would not. I watched. I watched the first four
or five season then and then actually I know the
exact episode that I stopped watching. I think it was
the I think it was season five episode one. Remember
when they had that very graphic thing of all of
them kind of sitting in a circle and the guy
starts clubbing them with the baseball bat break.
Speaker 2 (06:56):
And I couldn't. I stopped after that.
Speaker 1 (06:58):
Yeah, I literally stopped halfway through that episode. I said,
you know what, I love zombie movies. I love sci fi,
I love dystopia, I love murder and Mayhem. And I
was just like, we're just putting this one down now.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
And I thought she a level of nihilism. I got
pretty close. I'll be honest, there are sometimes I thought
the first two seasons of Game of Thrones were like
some of the best TV I had seen at that
time ever, But there were different points in that series
too where it felt to me like is this just
nihilistic sadism for its own sake? Like what really is
(07:28):
the point here? And then the final season or two
or final season, I guess I think everyone kind of
agreed with David, we have to save the country. So
as much as I want to talk to you about
all the fun things out there, we can talk about war.
Speaker 1 (07:39):
All right, Let's do Game of Thrones reality version. Trump DeSantis?
What's gonna happen.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
Let's use that as a teaser because I've got a
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Trump DeSantis.
Speaker 1 (07:51):
I'll have a sip of coffee.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
I'm gonna let make sure everyone knows your Twitter handle
so they can yell at you for what you're going
to say about Trump DeSantis. But we had our friend
Pete hegseth on her in the week and he, I
mean he might be Trumps secretary of Defense, you know
what I mean? So like it's we're getting it coming
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Especially on page one, that's a key to the whole thing.
Speaker 2 (09:24):
You're like, I'm my life is just disappearing because the computer,
you know, spit out my page the wrong way or something.
All right, So Trump, DeSantis, let it rid, my friend,
we tell everybody where you stand and why.
Speaker 1 (09:39):
Okay, look, here we go. I did not vote for
Trump the first time. I did not know who I
was going to vote for as I went to the
ballot box on that November in twenty fifteen. I hated Hillary.
I was, I wasn't there yet on Trump. I ended
up voting for Gary Johnson because I had had him
on the show. He liked Weed. I was like, eh, all.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
Right, now I know why you have a sense of
humor about yourself. You voted for Gary Johnson for God's sake. Anyway,
he was hard.
Speaker 1 (10:04):
He was a hard you know, I'm mostly libertarian. I
know you have a lot of libertarian beliefs too, but
he was a horrible libertary candidate. I mean, the guy
just he was Aleppo was the highlight of the campaign. Well,
let's not get lost on Gary Johnson. Point is. I
did not vote for Trump, however, and you can find
this video on YouTube or wherever else. The day after
Trump was inaugurated, I put out a video. I didn't
(10:25):
even have a studio yet because I had just moved
into a new home, so I did a video off
my phone in my backyard construction in the background saying, look,
Trump's the president now, and I think we got to
give this guy a chance, because what if he doesn't
get us into wars? What if the economy's doing well?
And I laid out a series of other what ifs
that might be positive, and he basically nailed all of
those things until COVID. I obviously supported him big time
(10:49):
the second time around. I was at rallies in LA
all the time. The Trump rallies loved every second of it.
I've interviewed Trump, I've been to mar A Lago. I'm
friends with several of the kids. They're a good family,
He was a good president. Did he screw up some stuff.
The wall didn't get done, he bungled COVID, and you know,
hindsight's twenty twenty and all that. However, all of that
(11:09):
being said, that does not mean all the good parts
of him. He read pilled everybody, he woke us up
to CNN, his fake news in the failing New York Times,
all the stuff, right, But that does not mean he
should be king forever. And it is fairly obvious to
me as a New Floridian in the past year and
a half. And I think you're how long are you
even less than that? Right? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (11:29):
Like gosh, I came hi to the math call it
eight months?
Speaker 1 (11:32):
Yeah right, you're not even a year. But you've seen
how incredibly well run this state is, and it's in
large part because of Ron de Santis. Ron de Santis
created a bastion of freedom in the craziest time in
modern American history. Not only did the COVID stuff right,
but has done virtually everything right. And not only that,
(11:53):
he did everything right, every single thing. And I would
welcome you or anyone watching this to find the flaw
on this. What has he set out to do that
he has not accomplished since he has been governor. He
got everything done he has tried to get done. He
did the Disney thing. We've gotten wokeness out of school.
He's fighting everybody across the board. We have a surplus
(12:13):
in Florida. We get one point three million people have
moved here in less than three years, twelve hundred people
a day. Our infrastructure, which is stretched because of our success,
is building super fast. He's cutting regulation related to building.
I mean, everything is working here, and that is the
blueprint that I think has to be exported to America.
On top of the fact that Trump, whether you like
(12:37):
Trump or not, what was the main thing that all
the people on the fence, You know, there's not many
people in America that can move. You have your Republicans,
you have your Democrats. And then there's this question. I
don't know what it is. It's a twenty percent, is
a ten percent of this middle ground people that those
are the ones that can move? Right? Well, what did
most of those people say about Trump? They were like, well,
you know, I like the policy, I just don't like
(12:58):
the grab them by the pussy, and I don't like
the tweets blah, blah blah. Well, here you have with DeSantis,
a forty four year old he's younger than me, forty
four year old, father of three, with a great wife,
and Casey DeSantis good man. There's no reason to believe
they're going to find any crazy skeletons in his closet.
He believes in this country there aren't going to be scandals.
(13:19):
I think he's given us everything that we could want
out of a politician. I don't worship politicians at all
at all, and they will always let you down. But
every now and again, especially in a crazy time like
we've been in in these last four years or whatever
you want to say, somebody shows up. Somebody shows up
and is ready to do it. And I think when
that person shows up, you got to back them. And
(13:41):
it's just very clear. And just one other thing on this.
That's why I've been hitting Trump the way I have,
because there is a case to be made for Trump.
The case to be made for Trump is, Hey, before COVID,
I was rolling man, and we didn't get into wars,
and Russia wasn't in Ukraine and everything else, lowest all
time black unemployment, blah blah blah. But instead of making
that case. Trump every day basically for the last three months,
(14:03):
has woke up, got onto truth social and lied about
DeSantis and or Florida. The attacks make no sense. He's
not a rhino. If Ron DeSantis is a rhino, then
everyone's a rhino because he's done everything a conservative could
have ever wanted. Some things that are more conservative than
I would even want. The six week abortion thing, for example.
(14:23):
I know that's I'm not in line with most conservatives
on that. I'm just showing you that I have some
difference of opinion with the guy. But you know, Trump
lying about Florida, pretending New York was better on COVID,
I mean, there's some stuff that's not even that I
don't even want to repeat some of the things that
he's said about DeSantis. So that's been why I've had
to push back on him the way that I have.
Speaker 2 (14:42):
But I will say this, yeah, go ahead, go ahead,
and then I got a question, just say well.
Speaker 1 (14:46):
No, no, no, one last thing. Although I obviously want DeSantis
to be president, and I think he could be a
Reagan esque transformative president, getting us through woke, showing us
how to deal with the mainstream media, good family man
in the White House. I think it's all great. If
this thing ends in a year and a half and
it's now it's January twenty five and Donald Trump is
the president and Ron DeSantis is my governor, I will
(15:08):
be fine with that, would I do not is Joe
Biden or Kamala Harris or god forbid, Gavin Newsom.
Speaker 2 (15:14):
So that's a that's a perfect transition point, Dave, because
when you come back, I just want to ask you.
Let's assume for a second that I was gonna say Biden,
pardon me, DeSantis wins the primary and is up against
Biden in the general election.
Speaker 1 (15:29):
He will not be up against Biden. They will take there.
Speaker 2 (15:32):
Is no okay, all right, let's come back to that,
because I was going to say people on the a
lot of the Trump voters that I speak to say,
just Sant just can't win, can't win against can't win
a national level election. He's a governor, he's not a president. Right,
That's what they say. We can get to that, but
first I want to get to your Biden thing. But
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of the Ruben Report. First off, Joe Biden's not gonna
be You're on the Bill O'Reilly side of this. I
(16:55):
want to tell you, Bill and I have had a
few We've had a few back and forths on the
radio over this one. I say it's gonna be Biden.
They don't care. They would roll Biden out with a
blanket across his knees, drooling and feeding a apple sauce,
and they'll s this is the Democrat nominee because they
just you know, nothing matter, they don't care. You say no,
tell me, why, tell me why in what happens?
Speaker 1 (17:14):
Well, first off, I probably could make both your arguments,
because on one hand, I can make your argument that,
no matter how bad it is with Biden, whether he
has completely zombified and he's drooling and all the stuff,
that so many people are so bamboozled by mainstream media
and everything else, that they could roll him out there
as a vegetable and people would still say that he
won the debate. So I can make that argument. The
(17:37):
other argument, I haven't heard Bill make it, but my
argument would be that the juxtaposition good word. That's a
good word for you, Buck. The juxtaposition of having Ron DeSantis,
forty four years old, in complete command of all of
the issues. You know, DeSantis, We've been to events together.
This guy freaking remembers everything. He remembers where he was
(17:59):
for every vote, he remembers the numbers of the votes,
what people were wearing, blah blah blah. He has complete
command of the ideas and America's history and everything else.
The juxtaposition of versus a bumbling, old, buffoonish Biden. And
also you got to keep in mind again this is
the debates will be about a year from now, a
little more than a year from now. The level that
he could still fall from where he's at now, which
(18:21):
ain't good, is could be quite significant. I just don't
think they can risk putting that on stage. And the
fact that we're seeing so much out of Gavin Newsom
right now. And remember Gavin Newsom. Remember a couple of
months ago, Biden took an international trip and then Gavin
Newsom magically appeared at the White House. That felt like
a low grade coup to me, there is just no
doubt you have. The Democrats are so freaking corrupt. Look,
(18:43):
the Republicans suck. They screw us up all the time.
They never do anything right once you give them a
chance to do it. But I don't think they're downright evil.
The Democrats are so evil. Just ask Bernie Sanders what
they did to him last time. Just asked Tulsey Gabbard
when she was the last one going against Biden, and
Hillary said that she was a Russian asset, a woman
who's in our military right now, literally right this moment,
(19:04):
leading a brigade doing training. These people are so corrupt
that there is no doubt in my mind that if
they have to figure out a way to get rid
of Biden. I mean, that's just step one. If you
get rid of Biden, now you have Kamala. They know
they can't run Kamala. So now you got to figure
out a way to get a man who I think
is genuinely a lizard person from another planet, Gavin Newsom,
(19:25):
soulless liver, lizard person. You gotta get him in. So
the machinations and trickery, I just don't put anything by them.
How about that.
Speaker 2 (19:34):
I think that's a fair place to be. I think
it's interesting. Do you agree with my co host Clay
that even though you know he's destroying the state of California.
You find Gavin Newsom personally likable. This was a big
This is a big back and forth that Clay and
I had.
Speaker 1 (19:52):
Thinks he's likable.
Speaker 2 (19:54):
Yeah, very he is.
Speaker 1 (19:55):
He's I'm shocked. I'm shocked. Uh for I'll have to
discuss this.
Speaker 2 (20:00):
Yeah, you and Clay should fight this one out, because
I mean, I think he's slick. I wouldn't.
Speaker 1 (20:04):
I would never.
Speaker 2 (20:05):
I would never say. I did call him evil Keanu
Reeves once, because that's kind of what becomes across, like
see that that one works. Clay likes that one too,
But I think that people see there's just something so
like unctuous, so just is like it's so sleazy with gay.
Speaker 1 (20:23):
He's the he's the he's the bad guy in a
Disney movie, or he's the bad guy in an eighties
Schwarzenegger movie that's supposed to be the good guy the
whole time and turns out to be the bad guy.
He's so fabricous.
Speaker 2 (20:33):
Bill Pax Aliens remember that one, Bill packs and Bill
Pax is a good guy. No, No, Paul Reiser, he's
Paul Reiser and Aliens. There we go, Paul Riser and Aliens.
Speaker 1 (20:41):
He works for the company, right, and then you find
out some stuff. Yes, he is. He's deeply, deeply evil
and I really mean that and what I mean by evil.
I said this on Fox the other day and I
was I said, they said, what do you think of him?
I think I said something like he's an evil psychopath,
And it was on Fox Business. The host was like, well,
that's a bit much, and I was like, no, actually,
it's not. Everything this man touches in the public sphere
(21:04):
goes to U crack, whether it's San Francisco or California
at large. Somehow, though, is plump Jack Winery his forty
two acres in Sonomo over there they managed to stay
open during COVID. Somehow the guy got to French laundry
during COVID. Blah blah blah. But on the likability factor,
I really don't understand client's position on that because he
strikes me as the most inauthentic shell of a human being.
(21:26):
That's why I call him a lizard person. There's no
real person there. There's someone that is on an endless
quest for power. That's all there is with him. I
don't see how that's likable in any way whatsoever. I
don't See, he doesn't strike me as pleasant or decent
or fun even if I disagreed with the policies. You know,
there are people you could go, Okay, they're pleasant or likable.
(21:49):
I suppose I just disagree with them. But no, I
get pure stench of death evil off that guy.
Speaker 2 (21:56):
Oh that's a strong opinion on Gavinussom. I want to
let's talk about the free speech battle here in a second,
but more specifically, how do you think Elon's doing with Twitter?
So I know you spent some time out there, and
and how this is going to factor into not just
the twenty twenty four election but politics going forward. You know,
what are we going to do about Google? How's rumble dooing?
(22:18):
All that kind of can we do with some of
that stuff? We'll come back, Dave, talk about this. Yeah,
because you're very involved, come back and do that stuff
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Speaker 1 (23:39):
Tell me, look, I've been up to Twitter a couple
of times. I've spent a few hours with Elon I
think he is a really good human being. He really is.
There is a softness and a decency and a thoughtfulness
to him. I actually genuinely believe he bought Twitter for
the right reasons. It's why he doesn't even want to
(23:59):
bring it public now, you know, the thing is purging money.
If he wanted to bring it public, meaning just get
other investors involved and get shareholders back in to stop
some of the bleeding, he could do that, but he
doesn't want to do it because he wants to control
it so that they can fix it. He has massive
freaking problems there. They no doubt have bad guys that
are still there. You know, he fired They had about
(24:20):
seven thousand, five hundred employees. He fired half of them,
so they've got a little over three thousand. He still
has people he has to fire. He's not sure who
all the bad guys are, meaning literally programmers that might
be doing things that you know, might be shadow banning
you or me, And he just doesn't know about it,
So he has huge problems. The code is written incredibly horribly,
as he described to me in a long Twitter thread
(24:42):
that I put out after the first time I was there.
So they have huge, huge issues. You know, he's trying
to go more into the video space, make it more
of a YouTube rumble type competitor. There's a lot of
work that has to be done by that. He also
is still using Amazon Aws, which is a big problem
because if Amazon itself wanted to parlor him, they could.
(25:03):
Meaning you know, right after January sixth, they didn't like Parlor,
and it was it had nothing to do with January sixth,
that was the excuse, but Parlor was the new guy.
They were getting twenty three monthly million unique users and
they just flip a switch. Amazon blows them up. So
he has a problem there. I mean, he definitely has
some weak points. All that being said, I think he
will continue to fight the good fight. And you know,
(25:23):
in terms of what he's done, say with Twitter spaces,
the DeSantis announcement, he's had RFK on, he's offered it
to every presidential candidate. I think that's all good. But Buck,
as you and I have talked about before, over drinks.
Twitter seems off still, the engagement seems very bizarre. It's
hard to make sense of any of it. Things that
I used to write that would literally get ten thousand
(25:45):
retweets within three minutes, you know, now get one hundred
likes or something, and people's behaviors change. By the way.
I don't think everything's up to conspiracy, but something kind
of doesn't feel right. You know. He also had that
comment where he said, what was it. We'll have freedom
of speech, but not freedom of reach. And that's a
very slippery slope because Okay, we're not going to ban
(26:07):
you outright for your speech, but we can depress the
view use that's actually more subversive in a weird way,
especially if you don't know the rules around that. So
I think he's got a lot of crap to deal with.
I can tell you this, and you know, I'm part
owner of Rumble because I started locals dot com, which
eventually merged. We are a free speech platform period as
long as you do not break the laws of the
(26:28):
United States. You can put on whatever you want, you
can title your videos whatever you want, you can gender
anyone the way you want. And we are fighting very,
very hard for free speech. As a matter of fact,
we are not on in France right now, Rumble because
the government of Rumble, they were upset that we had
RT Russia today uses Rumble. They said you got to
(26:48):
get our t off or we're going to take you
off in France, and we said we're not going to
do it. And we are no longer on in France
because Chris Pavlovski, who's the CEO, the guy's standing up
for our principles. There's a cost, of course by not
being on in France, and you know, people always have
ways with VPNs or whatever to get around it. But
the point is we have an incredible team of people
that are fighting for the right things, and that's why
(27:10):
we merged in the first place. That's why I did it.
Speaker 2 (27:13):
Zutlo not on in France. Blue, I was, we're gonna
go Soccra. So here's the thing, soccer Blue. All my
French friends, all like three of them my whole life.
They're like, that's not a French thing, that's a French
Canadian thing. And I'm like, oh, we're supposed to. We're
supposed to, you know, differentiate between like the Mounties and
(27:35):
the baguette eaters over in France, like it's all the
same thing.
Speaker 1 (27:39):
No, we're Americans. It's a miracle. We know the difference
between Mexico and Canada. It's for point, Mexico's the one
up north.
Speaker 2 (27:45):
Right, fair enough, So are we doing much better than
we uh going into this election? I think people forget
that in twenty twenty we were at an absolute low
point of free speech online for conservative voices, right, COVID stuff,
BLM stuff, a lot of there was a lot of
(28:07):
just different suppression, you know, oh this is anti science
and all that stuff. Do you think that we're in
a better place now and what has to happen for
us to be able to line up the artillery pieces
of free speech on our side so that we can
start to match the censorious and totalitarian impulses of the
(28:27):
Democrat side. Well, I would say, broadly speaking, we're in
a better situation.
Speaker 1 (28:31):
Right. YouTube is rolling back some of their election stuff
so that you can question that they're changing some things
related to gender pronouns and all that. And obviously Twitter
exists with elon now, and there are alternative platforms like Rumble,
So broadly speaking, we're in a better situation. I think
The thing that I'm worried about more so is that
(28:52):
as we all kind of go off in our own
little corners, and you know, the people that listen to
my show have a certain sense of the world, and
it's pretty somewhat similar obviously to the people that listen
to you and Clay, But that's very, very different than
the person that watches MSNBC. It's very different than the person.
I don't even know what the YouTube equivalent either one
of us is. I can't even believe that anyone watches
(29:12):
these miserable left these top politics. But okay, I guess
they exist somewhere, but we are increasingly all just living
in our separate world. So for example, you know, when
did you see this? The other day on Sunday night
was the Tony Awards, and one of the actresses from
Hamilton gets up there and she says that Ron DeSantis
is the Grand Wizard of the KKK, and it's like,
(29:33):
I get it, She's just being provocative and stupid. But
they all applaud like seals and they throw them little
fish and or or It's great, okay, fine, but the
fact that that is a joke that anyone laughs at
or even things is remotely true, or that there's anything
close to racism being tolerated in Florida, or that you
can't be gay in Florida, or whatever it might be.
It shows that we are so out of whack with
(29:54):
each other that I don't know how you bridge that divide.
So that's not a direct answer to your question on
free speech, as sort of like the banner version of it.
But I am worried about the disconnect that we all
have from each other. And you know, look, we all
have this thing, we all have apps, and the question
is how do we have anything that will bring us
to some sort of national cohesion beyond just tragedy, Right,
(30:17):
Like I don't want another nine to eleven so that
we can suddenly all be like, oh, I guess we
could have let go of some of that petty nonsense.
But in a weird way, it feels like that's the
only thing that can bring us together now because goodness
is portrayed as evil by these guys. The goodness that
you and I know of Florida, where it's working and
it's American and it's great and it's flourishing and all
(30:39):
those things that is portrayed every single day as evil
on the View and on MSNBC and CNN, and whether
we like it or not, people watch those things less
and less people, but people do. And I don't know
how you do? You do you have any idea, like
how do we get over that chasm?
Speaker 2 (30:55):
I worry that we're increasingly not only in a political
world of dueling propaganda machines, but that people are now
being forced to increasingly adopt not just wrong but anti
truth positions like the polar opposite of truth to be
(31:16):
part of a political tribe like that's and I think
that this is on the left all over the place now,
and that's why the atomization of the media that's occurring
is well for people like us, an opportunity. It's interesting.
It also shows you that we were not arguing over
the same facts anymore.
Speaker 1 (31:34):
Right, Well, that's why when Trump went crazy on Florida,
remember that Friday where he put out that truth social post.
Speaker 2 (31:40):
And just I was like, this is crazy, guys. I
love Trump in so many ways, but Florida is awesome
and he knows it and everyone knows it, and this
is garbage. And I got a lot of heat for it,
but I don't care because I'm not living in the reality. Well, Buck, you.
Speaker 1 (31:54):
And I have discussed this over drinks many times, Like,
at the end of the day, if for us to
do what we do for a living, all I can
do is tell people what I think, and sometimes they're
going to like it, and sometimes they aren't. Right. But
if I was to wake up every morning and be like, oh,
what does my audience want or I'm a little scared
of this section of my audience or whatever, I'd be
freaking miserable, and honestly I would do something else right,
(32:15):
Like I really mean that, I really mean that. So
I think you're similar in that regard. You tell people
what you think and sometimes you're going to take callers
that are pissed at you, and sometimes people agree with you.
But I think ultimately most people, and it may not
be the commenters on YouTube, but most people actually respect
people that they feel are being authentic about things because
that comes across. So you know, Gavin Newsom, for example,
(32:37):
is deeply inauthentic. That's what I would say. So that's
why I want to ask Clay about it, because I
don't know how someone could be so inauthentic and also likable.
I don't see how those two things can coexist at
the same time. But that's why when Trump went on
that crazy anti Florida tirade, and I really was going
after him that day because it felt like, you're attacking
my home, you're attacking my family, you're attacking the place
(32:59):
that was the refuge for literally hundreds of thousands and
ultimately over a million Americans when COVID was going crazy.
I just did a bunch of stops in Europe and
everywhere there. You're from Florida, you moved to Florida, Dave
How's life in Florida. Florida's America. But people love Florida,
they love DeSantis. So when he did that, and by
(33:20):
the way, you know when he did that, the night before,
he had twelve Florida Congress people at Marlago who all
announced that they were supporting him. Then at nine am
the next morning on truth Social he puts up a
post saying how horrible Florida is. So he gets these
Congress people in there for a fancy dinner at Marlago,
and it's very nice. We've both been there. But then
(33:42):
the next morning he throws them all under the bus,
and it's like, how many times has he done this?
How many times has he done this? But I get it.
I get the point. A certain set of people are
going to excuse it no matter what, and you just
have to you just have to slog through.
Speaker 2 (33:58):
I suppose, Dave Rubin, everybody check out the Ruben Report
on Rumble right. That's the home of the Ruben Report.
I would assume that is the.
Speaker 1 (34:08):
Home of the Ruben Report. It's also on the YouTube
for as long as they'll let us be there. And
you know, we're on the other podcast platforms. And sometimes
I'm just wandering around the streets in Florida and people
can find me and that's nice too, Dave.
Speaker 2 (34:20):
I will see you, see you at the home with
the fancy sushi at the party soon, my friend. Thank
you so much. Good to see you.
Speaker 1 (34:28):
Thank you for not doxing me. But yes, there will
be sushi.
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