Week Two In Quarantine

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Speaker 1 (00:10):
You are entering the Freedom Hunt. It's week two of
the fifteen days to stop the spread. We have updates
about our fight against COVID nineteen, the Wuhan virus. We'll
talk about not just the risks of this pandemic to
our health, but also to our economy. We've got a
number of US senators in quarantine. One senator already has

(00:32):
been positive for it. We'll talk about what happens next
and where we're going. Coming up on the Buck Sexton Show.
This is the bus Sexton Show where the mission or
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make no mistakes, Great American Again, the Buck Sexon Show begins.

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He's a great guy. Now for those word and afraid,
please know as long as I am your president, you
can feel confident that you have a leader who will
always fight for you and I will not stop until
we win. This will be a great victory. Welcome the
Buck sex and show everybody. The President trying to reassure

(01:19):
us that it's all going to be okay. I think
it is going to be okay, but we have some
big decisions to make, not just in the months ahead,
but in fact in the weeks ahead, we have decisions
that we will have to make about whether or not
we allow this virus to fundamentally transform our economy, really

(01:43):
to destroy our economy, and that's going to be one
of my main focuses today. The President also tweeted out
that we cannot let the cure be worse than the
problem itself. At the end of the fifteen day period,
will make a decision as to which way we want
to go. Look, I've been advocating here that the end
of the fifteen day period is something we should all

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try to adhere to as much as we can give
the government a little more time to figure out what
it is that they need. Right. I've been thinking about
the best ways for us in our own individual capacity
to try and fight against this or prevent the spread
of this. But the fifteen days was supposed to be

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allowing the government to get prepared, really to play catch up.
Because the government lost time, and I've seen even more
information now about the problem, not just with the CDC
but with the FDA. Government agencies are not capable of
moving swiftly and decisively. It is like against their bureaucratic DNA.

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If we have time, we'll get into some more of
the information on that how exactly that all fell apart.
But now we've gone through a week of these extreme
measures at different levels, and we have all these on
the screens. If you're watching TV or if you're opening
up the news, you look at the cases around the world.

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Three hundred and fifty thousand more or less as of today,
about fifteen thousand, three hundred deaths worldwide, over one hundred
thousand recoveries worldwide, pending cases two hundred and thirty plus thousand.
That's in a population of what seven going on eight
billion people. The numbers are actually quite small, and I

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want to bring to your attention the most interesting analysis
of this that I have seen from a true epidemiologist,
a person who is honestly able to look at this
and not be not be terrified, not be overwhelmed by

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the pressures of the moment, and see where this is
all really going. So this is something that's very important
for us. The economy is falling apart right now in
real time. I don't want to overstate this. I know
we're already dealing with a lot of anxiety. We already
have a lot of problems with regard to unemployment. We

(04:19):
understand that this is going to aspire a lot of
control very quickly. But the President tweeted this out. We
cannot let the krebe worse than the problem. It's at
the end of the fifteen day period, we will make
a decision as to which way we want to go.
Okay that when this fifteen day period is over, America's
got to go back to work. We can't do this.

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We simply cannot do this. It's not feasible. That's why
when I hear things like Governor Cuomo, who I do
think is trying to be an adult about this whole situation.
I think he's being responsible about this whole situation. When
I hear him say this, I'm disheartened because this is

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not really an option, this is not really a possibility.
Here's what he says, play clip five. This is not
a short term situation. This is not a long weekend.
This is not a week The timeline nobody can tell you.
It depends on how we handle it. But up to
eighty percent of the population will wind up getting this virus.

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All we're trying to do is slow the spread, but
it will spread. It is that contagious again. That's nothing
to panic over. You saw the numbers, unless you're older
with an underlying illness, etc. It's something that you're going
to resolve, but it's going to work its way through.
Society will manage that capacity rate, but it is going

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to be four months, six months, nine months. You look
at China once they really change the trajectory, we have
not done yet eight months. We're in that range. We're
not in that range because we can't be. And this

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is what the President has woken up to this week.
People who understand the economy, who understand macroeconomics, or just
forget about macroeconomics, just common sense. What happens when people,
all of a sudden, after being told they can't they're
not allowed, legally not allowed. You would be violating a
state mandate of quarantine if you try to open up

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your bar, open up your small business. What happens when
those people feel like they're not just losing their businesses,
they can't feed their families. Twelve hundred dollars check from
the government here, twelve hundred dollars check from the government there.
That's not going to do it. That's not going to
cover everyone's expenses. What happens. Then the government has been

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so reactive to this because I do think that the press,
and I'm sorry, I wish it were not the case,
but I do believe that the press is a portion
of them, are deeply pleased with the notion that now
Donald Trump faces a crisis that is a real crisis,

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not like Russia collusion, not like the Ukraine phone call
and the impeachment fiasco and all the other things they
made up. You know, the emoluments clause and Trump is crazy,
and Trump sexually assaulted somebody, and a what do you
call it? A retail store, trying the department stores. We're
trying to think of all these crazy stories you've heard
it's all nonsense. Well, this is real, and there's a

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lot there are a lot of people in the press
who like the fact that now they have a crisis
that they can bash Trump with. And we'll get into this.
This is real. I mean, the politics of this are
becoming very apparent. And I have to tell you, I
am really sick and tired of people in the media
and in positions of perception of authority right now, right

(08:01):
perceived authority, whether it's to give us information or it's
government officials. I've gotten really sick and tired of them
saying this isn't political, and then they go on to
say something grotesquely political, and I'm supposed to sit there
and go, Okay, well it's not political, so I'll just
let them keep doing what they're doing. The dishonesty here,

(08:23):
the lack of seriousness from the left and from the Libs,
is greatly concerning. It really is. But we have to
focus on the first order business here. Yeah, of course
the rescue package is delayed. I'll bring you up to
speed on that. Nancy Pelosi is a person of no ethics,
no integrity, no honor. That's not a surprise. Well knew

(08:43):
that people are suffering. The working class the Democrats pretend
to care so much about are the ones who are
suffering the most. They are in true fear for their livelihoods.
And small business owners are going to watch as everything
that they've built this appears. Do you think anyone's going
to write them a check for the restaurant that they
spent five ten years with their own hands, late nights,

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tough months, scrimping, saving, doing everything they could to try
to keep it going. And finally they've got a good
customer base, they've got decent cash flow. You know, maybe
they're operating on five seven percent profit margin for all
their all their expenses year and year out, and that
shuts down. Guess what, the govern's not going to pay

(09:28):
you for that entity. The best thing that they could
possibly do is try at this point that they're talking
about is trying to help you keep payroll going for
a while, but you still have rent, you still have
other expenses, and it's just not going to work. We
all know this. So we've been so focused on is
this virus going to kill all of us? Basically that's

(09:50):
really been the perception and the answers. No, it's not
not even close. If we did absolutely nothing, if we
were running around high five in kissing each other, are
on the cheek, constantly gathering in large numbers, going on partying,
doing what these generations Z people, By the way, don't
blame this on the millennials, gen Z, I'm watching you

(10:11):
down on spring break. Millennials now are most of them
late twenties into their thirties, a lot of them are married,
a lot of them have kids, gen Z, was I
don't not letting them pull this gen z were the
ones that were doing shots of soco and lime and
Jagermeister down in Clearwater and wherever else. They were gathered

(10:31):
in Florida until they shut the beaches down there. But
now as when we start to recognize we can't keep
doing this, this doesn't work. The government isn't going to
be able to turn the economy back on because the
economy is going to be dead. And those who were
saying fuck this is about protecting life. I saw there

(10:52):
was a Cuomo line, I think from Friday, but it
might have been over the weekend, that he'll be happy
with all these measures if it's just one life. No,
that's a terrible idea. We accept that there are a
lot of things that we don't do that would save lives,
but the cost to the rest of our existence isn't

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worth it. The one that everyone always points to is driving. Right,
thirty to forty thousand fatalities from driving in the United
States every year. Okay, but what are we supposed to
do about that? If we drove at twenty miles an
hour everywhere, there would probably be a hundreds instead of

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tens of thousands of vehicle fatalities, maybe a few thousand.
It would cut it down if the speed limit was
strictly enforced at twenty miles an hour. If somebody went
over twenty miles an hour, you take their car away.
You're gonna tell me that's not going to cut down.
But think about what that would be like to live.
What would that mean for commerce? What would that mean
for you getting home, you getting to work, you getting around?

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Those are trade offs. We're going to have to have
a serious adult American conversation about the tradeoffs here. The
President has talked about this in the context of it
being a war, and I think that's a useful way
to speak about this. But we must remember that in
wars there are casualties, and I know we're already taking

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some and every loved one that we lose. You know,
for every family where someone dives from virus, hits a tragedy.
But we also have to understand that for every family
where someone dies flu from H one and one from
heart failure, from cancer, from accidents in and around the home,
those are all tragedies too, just as tragic. We seem

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to have frightened ourselves into a corner here, or we
think we have to do everything in anything, because we
have to make sure that there is a bare minimum
risk from this instead of a manageable risk from this.
Those are not the same thing. If we try this
bare minimum risk approach, we risk and we don't risk.

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If we continue with this bare minimum risk approach, we're
going to destroy the United States economy and with it
there'll be civil disorder, riots in the streets, mass non compliance,
class warfare that actually starts to look like warfare. This
is going to get really ugly, and people's livelihoods, intergenerational

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economic destruction, all of this will occur, and it's really
almost a near certainty if we continue on this current path.
The government is just running on money created by us.
The only reason the United States government is the powerhouse
it is is because of us economic activity. Right any

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country can print money. The reason American money is so
valuable is because of the assets, the ingenuity, the capital,
human and otherwise. All of the United States of America
are industry, our commerce, our capitalism, our system. This is
why people trust us to pay our bills, this is
why we're the reserve currency, and we're now at risk

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if we continue doing this, not just on the civil
disorder side, which I think is very apparent. We're also
effectively going to be running an experiment that would run
close to what you call modern monetary theory. I've talked
to you about this before. This is the AOC far
left wing Bernie Sanders economic advisor approach to an economy.
Don't worry, just write the check. Doesn't matter how big

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it is, doesn't matter how bigger deficit is. Whatever you want,
whatever you think is a social good, right to check
for it, figure it out later. Just trying to manage
just quote, trying to manage inflation unquote right, that's what
they'll say. This is a way. The problem with inflation
is that usually when it sets in, it's very hard
for governments to deal with. And if inflation gets bad
quickly because the market is speaking, not just because policymakers
are saying one thing or another, guess what, then all

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of a sudden you could have the complete annihilation of
an economy, which has happened in countries. We've seen this happened.
People who's talking about why mar Republic in Germany. You
look at Zimbabwe, look at what's going on in Venezuela.
These economies effectively barely exist. I mean they're back to
almost trade and barter because of what's been done to
their currency. We're going to start spending a trillion dollars here,

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a trillion dollars there, on top of twenty two trillion
dollars of debt. The people who have been worried about
US debt being too high for decades, you were all correct.
You've always been correct. How many times have I said,
in short segments on this show in the last year,
those of you who have really been with me here
in the Hut, day in and day out, how many
times I said, Look, no one wants, no one cares,

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but the debt's too high, and we all know it.
No one cares though things are good. I'm just telling
you it's too high, and I know people don't want
to hear about it. Well, now everyone's saying, wow, it
was kind of fiscally irresponsible to spend a trillion dollars
when the economy was a trillion dollars more than we
were taking in to run up the debt by a
trillion dollars a year. That was fiscally responsible when things

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were rocking in the economy was great, and it was,
but nobody wanted to hear it. Nobody wants to believe
there's no Santa Claus, especially when they're politicians, to say,
oh yeah, I'm Santa Claus. The Democrats. We can't keep
doing what we are doing right now for long. Maybe
maybe we could stretch this out into the next month,

(16:23):
maybe the middle of April, but right around what used
to be known as tax Day now it's been pushing
in July fifteenth, right around the middle of April. If
we have this complete shutdown of business in place, we
are looking at national we are looking at a national
economic suicide. We are heading for great depression. To a

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thirty percent jobless rate is on the horizon. That's unsustainable
even in the short term. Can't do it. We have
been through pandemics before, we have been through wars before.
I think we've gotten very comfortable in American in this society,
thinking that we'll never have to make the tough choices again.
A tough choice is telling people to stay home. You know,

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it's a really tough choice telling people that we're going
to put some measures in place, but we are going
to go to work and we're going to lose people
to this virus. But we're also not going to allow
the country to completely collapse. That is a really tough
choice that will require real leadership, and we have to
push them right now to do that. You're in the

(17:27):
Freedom Hunt. This is the Buck Sexton Show podcast. I
think it's part of my duty not just to inform
you about what's going on right now in the midst
of this true national crisis. I also think I need
to make the argument here, need to make the case
about why we can't continue these measures. And I understand

(17:49):
there will be costs. I understand this is going to
be very difficult, but I want to make the case today,
in this week. Why we're in week two of the
fifteen days, this is it. After this, we still practice
some sensible social distancing. We still take measures to protect
our vulnerable population, no question about it, tremendous expenditure of
resources at the personal and all throughout government level to

(18:12):
protect those who are the more vulnerable population. But a
lot of the rest of us need to be told
if you want to go in and work and you
want to try to conduct normal business, you are allowed
to do it, even though you are aware of the risks,
and there will be risks. Then we will lose people.
But as I've been saying, if this is a war,
we should expect that there will be losses. Then we

(18:34):
need to make policy based on what is best for
all of us, not what is best for eliminating risk,
because we can never do that. Thanks for listening to
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want America to understand this week, it's going to get

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bad and we really need to come together as a nation.
I heard the stories that you were just playing young
people out on beaches. We see here in DC that
the district set up a cam for people to watch
the cherry blossoms. If you look on the cam, you
see more people walking around than you see cherry blossoms.
And this is how the spread is occurring. And so

(19:17):
we really, really, I think that there are a lot
of people who are doing the right things, but I
think that unfortunately we're finding out a lot of people
think this can't happen to them when you look at
what's going on in New York. And we said this
at the beginning of our fifteen Days to Stop the
Spread initiative, that the numbers you see reflect what happens
two weeks ago. We don't want Dallas or New Orleans

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or Chicago to turn into the next New York. And
it means everyone needs to be taking the right steps
right now. And that means stay at home, okay for
two weeks. It's in doing enormous damage already the economy.
Let's understand that even even with a two week policy

(20:02):
in place like this of lockdown, we are risking massive
economic damage. And I want to tell you about that,
so we all understand we're heading right now. The estimates
are we're heading for a thirty percent joblessness rate if
we stay on this current course. Thirty percent. Anybody want

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to guess what the jobless rate was in the Great
Depression twenty five percent. I don't even really think that
we're going to be able to snap back out of this.
We did not in nineteen eighteen have a total secession
of all activity in response to this, and then we

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did historically. Just go back and look what happened after
nineteen eighteen nineteen nineteen, a period in America known as
the Roaring twenties. Tremendous growth, prosperity, relative peace didn't last
too long overall, But the twenties were good. That's what happened,
and we lost millions of Americans in that circumstance. Now,

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I understand millions of Americans right now. That would seem
to be too high a cost for anyone to bear.
But we have a much better healthcare system now than
we did then. We have much better treatments in general,
meaning ventilators, you know, much better procedures in place, perhaps
is the way to say it, than we did in
nineteen eighteen to help people that had interstitial pneumonia, which

(21:26):
is a very scary thing, and I understand that comes
with a lot of the very dangerous cases of this,
but we don't really have data to support the annihilation
of the US economy. By the way, I am going
to take the Democrats to task for what they've done
here with holding up this aid bill that everyone agrees
is needed. The Democrat the Democrat Party is a disgrace.

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I mean, they are true national hostage takers. Pelosi and
Schumer are unethical, scummy, disgraceful people. I will get there,
but I want to focus to start out with on
right now, this key decision making the calculation about what
is acceptable for us in terms of losses and what

(22:09):
we need to do in order to get the economy
running again. By the way, the economy is not going
to be off to a gallop. That's not going to happen.
I'm just saying, we need to get some stuff going here.
We need to get businesses moving to the degree that
we can, because otherwise there's not going to be an
economy to restart. Keeping this shutdown going as is much

(22:32):
longer than this week. And I've given member I said,
the fifteen days. Fine, that's what they say they need
to get ready for this. Fifteen days that does That's
not four months, it's not even thirty days. So the President,
I think understands us. He knows the status quo cannot hold.
I am seeing all these messages from people and hearing

(22:52):
from people everywhere that they're going to lose everything. People
put their hearts, their lives, their heart and soul, everything
into building a career, building a business, saving up some money,
trying to make sure they're up with their bills. What

(23:12):
happens now, the confederal Government's not going to make anybody
whole whose business is gone. It's not going to happen.
You can't just rehire all the people that have been
fired as businesses have closed down. Think about all the
time it'll just take to untangle the insurance claims they
are going to come out of this. All the lawyered

(23:34):
up bureaucratic minut show that this is going to go.
I mean, it's just going to be a mess, a mess,
and America is going to have to go to work
very soon. Because even if that means there are more
casualties from COVID nineteen than would occur into this continued

(23:54):
extreme shutdown, it doesn't matter. And this is a hard
thing to say, but it is reality and we need
to accept it and act on it. Now. I could
die from COVID nineteen. Anyone listening to this could also
die from COVID nineteen. And no matter what the government does,

(24:15):
that is not going to change. We are simply trying
to deal with risk, risk management, which bureaucracies are notoriously
that at doing. And a lot of that risk management
is on an individual level. What are you willing to do?
What do you think is safe for you? Now? Part

(24:37):
of that risk management has to be what does the
country look like if we just go into this this
state of hibernation. I mean, this is economic hibernation, and
then we try to revive ourselves in three months or
six months. Now, I do think that the warmer period
ahead will be a godsend, and that alone based on

(24:58):
what we see, and experts are saying this too, so
I'll be like, fuck, you're not an epidemiologist. I'm reading
people who all they do is study this, and they're saying, Look,
it would be strange if there was not a dramatic
slowdown in this virus just from the change in seasonal temperature.
But when you see things like this, I mean, you've
got GDP predictions for the second quarter, according to Goldman Sachs,

(25:21):
range from horrible down eight percent to catastrophic down fifteen percent.
But Goldman Sachs actually just came out with a new
research note this week. Now you might say, oh, Goldben Sacks, Yeah,
but they're trying to assess what's happening to people's money.
Trust me, Goldman Sachs cares about money. A research note

(25:43):
with a project projection for GDP loss in the second
quarter of twenty twenty suggest Golden Sacks believes that the
United States GDP will be down twenty four percent. We
can't do this. We can't do this. We can't do

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that because even if you look at the possibility of
hundreds and remember we've only lost in total right now
in the United States, while we're in the hundreds of
people who have been killed by this virus. If we
lost hundreds of thousands of people from this, it would
be similar to a very bad flu season, right, I mean,

(26:26):
if we lost let say, one hundred thousand people. You've
had up to sixty seventy thousand from the flu, and
no one even really talked much about it, and h
one n one infected tens of millions, and people say,
don't be a flu truther, not a flu truth We're
trying to assess real risk here. You can go out
and get the flu during flu season in particularly, you
can go out and get the flu and come home.

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And that's all she wrote. No matter who you are,
it can shut down your system. If you catch a
bad flu, you can die from it. Fact, do you
not leave your home? Do you insist that no one
else leave their home? Do you have the government telling
you that, WHOA, we can't have the loss of fifty
thousand people this year from flu? So no one's allowed
to do anything. That's what we're doing right now. And

(27:11):
I understand I've seen all the scary stuff about it, LA.
I've seen, yeah, but we have two weeks of preparation
here to get masks in everything in place. We have
had social distancing. People are taking it in many places
more seriously. I'm here in the epicenter, by the way,
I'm here in New York City, which has by far
the greatest concentration of cases a New York state, because

(27:32):
of New York City is a state that is worst
has been the worst hit by this. I mean cases
in New York twenty eight hundred and seventy five, one
hundred and fifty seven. We've had four hundred and sixty
three total deaths from this so far. We've had more
people die while this has been going on. We've had
more people die from the flu than I've died from this.

(27:53):
That's the fact, meaning that while COVID has been spreading
the United States, more people have died from flu. Now
people can say, oh, it's worse than the flu and
higher mortality. Those people don't know what the mortality is.
Stop with the panic. We we have to present facts
and rationality here. We can't do this based on emotion.

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No one wants anyone to die of any disease in
this country, but trying to ensure an almost zero risk
factor for people could create much worse risks for everybody,
systemic risks. Think about how many people die from suicide
from untreated illness because the medical system will be a

(28:38):
fraction of what it used to be, because people will
be out of work. Who makes the masks, who makes
the ventilators, all the things that are doctors and God
bless our doctors, nurses, first responders, everybody who's on the
front lines of this, but all the tools that they
use to fight against us come from the private sector,
comes from commerce and business and industry. We need those

(29:01):
things to keep working, or else we're not going to
have a medical sector to speak of. We're not going
to be able to fight against other diseases too. So
this is why I think it's so important right now
that we all understand there needs to be a shift
in the national mindset on this. We need people to
be able to go back to work. We need social

(29:24):
distancing to be a standard. We need elderly populations and
those with compromise immune systems to be on lockdown. But
the government has to wake up. This is not an option.
What they think is an option. Three months, six months,
nine month is not an option. It's catastrophe. And we're

(29:45):
still going to have a lot of people get sick
and still gonna have a lot of people die from
from COVID nineteen. No matter what, it's not going to change.
So we really just have to look at what is acceptable,
and at some point that's going to be having a
conversation about usualties, just as you would in any war.
A war isn't worth fighting for, you know, you talk
about a war of self defense, even a war of

(30:06):
self defense. At a certain point, if your casualties are
too high, you'll just capitulate. Fine, the other side wins.
That's what ends up happening in a war. Right now,
we can't capitulate against a virus. But in any wartime scenario,
you're looking at the number of casualties and you're making
decisions and assessments understanding that there will be casualties that's

(30:28):
going to happen, and you're trying to just assess what
are acceptable numbers of that we are going to suffer
casualties from COVID nineteen. We already have suffered a few hundred,
which I'm going to walk you through the numbers on this,
and I think you'll see. And not from me, this
is from an epidemiologist at Stanford University School of Medicine,

(30:51):
one of the premier medical schools in the country, in
the world, and I'll walk you through point by point
what he is saying about this, because I think we
have the we are over we are overreacting. If we
extend this shutdown of business beyond this week. That's where
I am. And all I do is think about this.

(31:12):
All I do is read about this, talk to the
smartest people I know, and I'm just not seeing the
case for this continued shutdown. I'm not seeing the case
for this to extend beyond where we already are. And
I am really you know, I'm not terrified of us
against coronavirus. We'll win, We'll get through it. I do
get scared when we start to see the government thinking, yeah,

(31:36):
we're gonna have extra judicial detainment authority, which there are
reports that are asking for in certain circumstances regarding quarantine,
and we're gonna shut down businesses We're going to deploy
you know, government resources of force, police, deputizing people at
the state level, making sure that all these mandates are enforced,

(31:57):
that you know, GPS tracking of individuals with this starts
to get scary real quick. And the thing that scared
me than this virus is the government mishandling this and
destroying the entire United States economy and taking the constitution
down with it. That's now the enemy that we face
in addition to the virus. You're in the Freedom Hunt.

(32:17):
This is the Buck Sexton Show podcast. I was in
New York City yesterday. It was a pretty day. There
is a density level in New York City that is
wholly inappropriate. You would think there was nothing going on
in parts of New York City. You would think it

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was just a brighton sunny Saturday. I don't know what
I'm saying that people don't get. I'm normally accused of
being overly blunt and director, and I take that it's true.
I don't know what they're not understanding. This is not
life as usual. None of this is life as usual.

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And this kind of density. We talked about social distancing.
I was in these parks. You would not you would
not know that anything was going on. This is just
a mistake. It's a MISTAKEE. It's insensitive, it's arrogant, it's

(33:21):
self destructive, it's disrespectful to other people. And it has
to stop, and it has to stop now. Now. I
can't speak to what Cuomo saw in parks, but I
can speak to being out in New York yesterday walking
on the street, which you are allowed to do. I

(33:41):
was walking the dog to Lula. It's very cute. She
knows something's up to she knows the humans do not
seem to be in good moods these days. But I
took her on a walk all through some of the
most from Midtown down to what you consider to be
the start of Flat Iron, which is before the village
in New York City. These are I'm bringing it up

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just because these are the most densely packed parts of
New York. Usually there's a ghost town. There's nobody in
the streets. I walk through areas that would usually be
just bumping with people out to brunch and bars and
you know, watching the game. I know there's no games
right now. I went to Madison Square Park, one of

(34:23):
my favorite parks in New York, formerly where Madison Square Garden,
the place where the Knicks and the Rangers play used
to be. And I went to check this out, and
I'm telling you, yeah, there were some people on the streets,
but it was not packed. And what I saw was
a lot of businesses shut down that they rely on
people coming in on Sundays to buy things, to get food,

(34:46):
to just engage in commerce. Shutdowns everywhere all of the
city because the initial guidance about the mandate about this
went into effect. So I can't speak to what's going
on in Prospect Park out in Brooklyn or whatever, but
I can speak to this is really scary. I mean,
the city should not be shut down in this way
for long because it's not going to survive it. And

(35:09):
I know that for a lot of you are like, oh, buck,
this isn't really this doesn't really affect us out here.
There are going to be more outbreaks in other states,
and they're going to be clusters of this, so you
never know when this is going to hit. But also
understand that, you know, if things get bad enough in
New York City, that has an effect not just on
the national economy, but also people are going to start

(35:30):
trying to leave New York to go to other places,
and what are we going to have? Then? You know
people are gonna want to go. They've already been doing this,
They're already been trying to find places to seek refuge
in other states, you know, Vermont, Hampshire, more rural parts
of Connecticut. So that's already happening. If New York starts
to get out of control of guess what, you're going
to have people that are trying to do everything they

(35:50):
can to leave. What are gonna do. You're gonna tell them,
no cars in the roads, no one's allowed to go anywhere.
So I didn't see that the New York that Cuomo did. There.
I saw one that's on. I saw New York City
on life support this weekend, on a beautiful spring weekend.
Life support. That's what I saw. Thanks for listening to
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Apple podcasts, the iHeartRadio app, or wherever you get your podcasts.
We have to help the American worker. We have to
help the countries from which the American workers. I mean
they came out of these companies. They were doing phenomenally well.
You see where payroll was going way up where wages
were going way way up. There's never been a time

(36:32):
like this. We can't lose those companies, and we want
the worker to be happy, and we're being I think,
more generous than anybody's ever been. We want to take
care of the worker, but we want to make sure
that when we win the war, it's only a question
of it's when, not if. When we win the war
against the virus, we want to make sure those companies
are ready to charge forward, not that they've been disbanded

(36:54):
because we were pennywise and dollar foolish. They're trying to
keep businesses open as long as they can by sending
them checks. That's the idea. The federal government's going to
try to give them money I will get into the
response package, and the Democrats efforts to just leverage it

(37:18):
at the eleventh hour for maximum part as in political benefit.
I mean, it's an abject disgrace. It's absolutely disgusting what's
going on. But here first, I want to walk you
through this analysis from Professor John Ianidis, who has put

(37:38):
a piece out. We are making decisions without reliable data. Now,
this guy is professor of medicine and professor of Epidemiology
and Population Health at Stanford University School of Medicine. And
he's not alone in this thinking, but I mean he's
he's as credential the person as you're going to find
on this topic, basically, and here's what he said. I mean,

(37:59):
this is my point. And by the way, I'm also
I'm now getting attacked by the left for saying that
we have to go back to work, even if it
means that we would suffer a higher casualty rate than
a multi month lockdown. And their homny deaths are okay.
These people are morons, their disgrace, and they don't understand
that we make these decisions just as I was telling
the last time, we make policy decisions where we know

(38:20):
they'll be casualties all the time. We are heading into
a great depression unless we stop this. We cannot keep
doing this. I know everyone's all scared and they're terrified.
They're petrified. We are heading into a great depression unless
we stop this. So that's the President's basically said as much.
But I'm getting the sense that there are some people
who think that they're going to stop him from doing

(38:41):
They're going at the state level, they're gonna keep this
going or they're going to manage to convince the President
that we need to have this forever. Let me go
back to what is the real risk here? What is
the real what is the real data? Say? And here's
what you get. Professor John Unitis has the following to
add to this. The data, the data collected so far

(39:02):
on how many people are infected and how the epidemic
is evolving are utterly unreliable. Given the limited testing to date,
some deaths and probably the vast majority of infections due
to SARS cove two are being missed. We don't know
if we are failing to capture infections by a factor
of three or three hundred three months after the outbreak emerged.

(39:25):
Most countries, including the US, lack the ability to test
a large number of people, and no countries have reliable
data on the prevalence of the virus and representative random
sample of the general population. So we don't know. We
don't know what the mortality rate is, We don't know

(39:49):
how many infections there are out there, not even close
to how many infections are out there. And one of
the major reasons that I've been saying this along for
the overreaction has been. People assume that we have a
fatality rate that's at least ten times some are initially
setting I think more like fifty times what you have
for the flu. Well, that scares people understandably, But we

(40:14):
have a case study here where you have effectively almost
a control that it's not a controlled experiment, but a
contained environment for an experiment in real time. The Diamond
Princess case study. The one situation where an entire closed
population was tested was the Diamond Princess cruise ship and
its quarantine passengers. This is all from this piece by

(40:37):
the professor at Stanford. The case fatality rate there was
one percent, but this was a largely elderly population in
which the death rate from COVID nineteen is much higher.
Projecting the Diamond Princess mortality rate onto the age structure
of the US population, the death rate among people infected
with COVID nineteen would be point one two five ent.

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But since this estimate is based on extremely thin data
there were just seven deaths among the seven hundred infected
passengers and crew, the real death rate could stretch from
five times lower point zero to five percent to five
times higher point six to five percent It is also
possible that some of the passengers who were infected might

(41:22):
die later, and that tourists may have different frequencies of
chronic diseases, a risk factor for worse outcomes with SARS
cove to infection than the general population. Adding these extra
sources of uncertainty, reasonable estimates for the case fatality ratio
in the general US population vary from point zero five

(41:43):
percent to one percent. That huge range markedly affects how
severe the pandemic is and what should be done. A
population of point zero five percent rather to one percent,
a population wide case fatality rate of point zero five
sin is lower than seasonal influenza. If that is the

(42:04):
true rate, locking down the world with potentially tremendous social
and financial consequences may be totally irrational. It's like an
elephant being attacked by a house cat. Frustrated and trying
to avoid the cat, the elephant accidentally jumps off a
cliff and dies. This is what I am trying to say,
And by the way, I mean, I'm being attack now

(42:26):
on social media, on Twitter and else where. Are just
just psychotically by the left for making exactly this point.
I'm saying, Look, we have to go back to work,
even if it means that there would be a greater
incidence of infection, and with that there will be a
greater loss of life than if we continue in complete
lockdown mode for I don't know six months, but we can't.

(42:46):
The country can't sustain, and people will their lives will
be ruining, people will die. That's what's going to happen
from the depression that will come from this. And I
feel like some especially these like work from home journo types,
you know, and people that are in the information economy
and they're used to teleworking, and they feel like, you know,
they've got savings for six months or a year. They

(43:08):
seem to think this isn't that big a deal. We
are on the precipice of really scary stuff if this continues.
And I look, I know me, I'm not trying to fearmonger,
but I feel like, Okay, now we take the virus seriously,
we need to take the possibility of a depression seriously too.
He continues, by the way, with this analysis, which I
think is essential for everybody to know. Could the COVID

(43:29):
nineteen case fatality rate be that low? No, some say,
pointing to the high rate and elderly people people. However,
even some so called mild or common cold type coronaviruses
that have been known for decades can have a case
fatality rate as high as eight percent when they infect
elderly people in nursing homes. In fact, such mild coronaviruses

(43:50):
infect tens of millions of people every year and account
for three to eleven percent of those hospitalized in the
US with lower respiratory infections each winter. So what he's
saying here is that even you know, among the elderly population,
coronaviruses that are more similar to a common coal not

(44:10):
this coronavir not COVID nineteen, but other coronaviruses. It's known
for a long time if they get into the elderly population,
they can kill as many as eight percent of the elderly.
So he says, these mild corona. Remember this is a
professor of disease and epidemiology at Stanford Medical School. This
is all he does. This is his entire life's work

(44:31):
has been on this issue. He's saying that among the elderly,
you could have an eight percent fatality rate for a
standard coronavirus not COVID nineteen. He also so he's saying
that not only is that a higher rate than a
lot of people are talking about, now, he's saying, COVID
viruses kill people all the time. We have no idea

(44:52):
what the true number is. I'm sorry, coronaviruses, not covid viruses, coronaviruses.
Here's where he gives you some details on this. In
an autopsy series that tested for respiratory viruses and specimens
from fifty seven elderly persons who die during the twenty
sixteen to twenty seventeen influenza season. Influenza viruses were detected

(45:12):
in eighteen percent of the specimens, while any kind of
respiratory virus was found in forty seven percent. In some
people who die. In some people who die from viral
respiratory pathogens, more than one virus is found upon autopsy,
and bacteria are often superimposed. A positive test for coronavirus
does not mean necessarily that this virus is always primarily
responsible for a patient's demise. So this then goes again

(45:36):
to we don't even know. Just because somebody has coronavirus
when they die, it doesn't even mean that that necessarily
is the reason for that death? Based upon what we
see from looking at the twenty sixteen twenty seven flu season,
where there can be a number of a number of
factors and a number of different viruses at play at

(45:58):
any point in time, what is the mortality rate? If
we assume the case fatality rate among individuals infected by
sarus curve two is point three percent in the general
population a mid range guests from the Diamond Princess analysis,
and that one percent of the US population gets infected,
about three point three million people, This would translate to
about ten thousand deaths. This sounds like a huge number,

(46:21):
but it is buried within the noise of the estimates
of death from influenza alike illness. If we had not
known about a new virus out there and had not
checked individuals with PCR tests, the total number of new
deaths due to influenza alike illness would not seem unusual
this year. Are we sure that flattening the curve is
that much better? As another point than he raises, if

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the health system does become overwhelmed, the majority the extra
deaths may not be due to coronavirus, but to other
common diseases and conditions such as heart attack, strokes, traum
and bleeding. If the level of the epidemic does overwhelm
the health system, extreme measures have only modest effectiveness. Flattening
the curve may make things worse. Instead of being overwhelmed
during a short acute phase, the health system will remain

(47:04):
overwhelmed for a more protracted period. That's another reason we
need to think about the exact level of activity. And
then he basically says that, and this is what I've
been saying. This could lead to riots, this could even
lead again. I'm not trying to be alarm ast, folks.
We're gonna be okay. I know that today I'm a
little more dark on this topic than I've been in

(47:24):
a while. But I'm seeing that, you know, the economic
data doesn't lie. I mean, there's a graph going around
right now about unemployment and unemployment after two thousand, after
the two thousand and eight crisis, or during the two
thousand and eight financial crisis, versus unemployment now. And yeah,
that's where we are. We're seeing I think six hundred

(47:46):
thousand was a number that I saw in this graph,
and one week it's astonishing. The unemployment spike. I mean
it's it's a graph, and then all of a sudden,
there's this huge hockey stick like projection that just goes
straight up for unemployment, and we're what in week two
of the extreme shutdown measures. He also says when we

(48:11):
could we could end up making this, meaning that government
could end up making this worse than the nineteen eighteen
influence a pandemic. With lockdowns of months, if not years,
life largely stops. Short term and long term consequences are
entirely unknown, and billions, not just millions of lives maybe
eventually at stake. One can only hope that much like
in nineteen eighteen, life will continue. Conversely, with lockdowns of months,

(48:34):
if not years, life largely stops. The long term consequences
of this could end up killing more people. That's where
we are and that's the reality. So everyone needs to
wake up to that right now. And that means that
trying to limit the risk to as close to zero
as possible of people getting this that's going to become counterproductive.

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We're going to reach a point at which that's no
longer possible. I'm not saying we're there already. I've said
fifteen days fine, but this is where the situation stands
right now. We have to get America back to work,
not in months, in weeks, and really within two weeks,
I think is the goal should be. That doesn't mean

(49:21):
that there's not social distancing. It doesn't mean that we
don't do a lot of things wash the hands, protect
the vulnerable elderly population, those individuals, people that are more
vulnerable should be given additional special resources and protections. And
we all understand everyone is paying attention to what's going
on in this country that we need to protect our
vulnerable populations. But that's where we are. We have to

(49:44):
do something to get the economy going again, or else
that is going to become a bigger threat to this
country than this virus. That's where we are right now,
according to experts who are looking at it. I don't
know what else to say. I'm just trying to spread
what I think is the most necessary information for decision making.
Right now. You're in the freedom hunt. This is the

(50:04):
Buck Sexton Show podcast. Do you think it'll be wrapped
up by Monday? Well, I hope it is. Where I'm
having good bipartisan agreements. The initial bill leader McConnell put
In didn't have any Democratic input, and we were worried
they would just try to put it on the floor
and not consultant Speaker Pelosi because the House still has

(50:26):
to pass this. But actually, to my delight and surprise,
there has been a great deal of bipartisan cooperation thus far. Yeah,
even the President was speaking very positively about you, and
hasn't happened very often, even Speaker Pelosi. And what was
the thanks that the President got for that and other

(50:46):
Republicans for working with Democrats like Schumer for days in
a bipartisan way to try to get a bill passed
that would help with the situation. The Democrats were involved
in the very beginning. This should be right, We should
be all set. What happened last night at the eleventh hour,
I mean it almost was the eleventh hour. I don't

(51:07):
know what the time was, but what happened last night,
Oh Nancy Pelosi showed up and all of a sudden said, now,
no bipartisan bill. I'm going to start a new bill.
And the Democrats in the Senate went along with it.
Wouldn't let the cloture vote happen, wouldn't let the Senate
vote on a trillion dollar plus relief package. Right, that's

(51:30):
exactly what happened, that they were involved Schumer and the Democrats.
But I mean, the left is completely insane. The bipartisan
facade has been breaking down very quickly on this. I mean,
leftists are totalitarians and they're vicious, So even in a pandemic,
they don't stop being vicious totalitarians. A lot of us
are trying to talk about solutions and what's best for everybody,

(51:52):
trying to save as many people as possible while also
preventing the depression that will destroy the country and end
up killing who knows how many people. We like to
think that we can have a bipartisan conversation about something
of this seriousness. But leftists are insane. They're insane with
their hatred of Trump, but also they have a vicious
totalitarian impulse that they absolutely cannot put aside. Right, they

(52:19):
want to control everything has to be their way, and
you see this with Democrats, with Pelosi. What do you
think is the thing that they absolutely want to make
sure they get funding for. I mean, I know that
they've just decided. I think it was They're they're trying
to limit I think elective procedures like abortions right now. Oh,
just give it time. I'm sure there'll be a federal

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judge because all medical elective procedures right now are being
put on hold. Is an abortion an elective procedure? Ask
a Democrat that, oh, it's not elective. It's like they'd
say it's life saving, it's life ending. But Pelosi came
in and is going to have a whole I'm sure,
a laundry list of things that she wants that have
nothing to do with saving anybody from this pandemic, have
nothing to do with just helping the American people. It's

(53:02):
Pelosi holding the American economy hostage right now. I mean,
the market is now below the Dow is below nineteen thousand,
plummeting again today. Okay, it was at thirty thousand a
few weeks ago. The market's getting absolutely crushed and people
are losing money, and you know, there's there's real pain here.

(53:25):
Pelosi doesn't care. Let's just say Pelosi is an unethical
and nasty person. She is. It doesn't affect her at all.
She's gonna keep getting money. She's going to keep getting
you know, the millions and millions of dollars. You know,
as long as she has access to her bank accounts
probably you know, foreign and domestic, she's good. You know, whatever,

(53:48):
whatever she needs, she's got, she's covered. It doesn't really
matter to her. He lives in a mansion. You know.
Some of this is bouncing around Congress. Anyone can get
this anywhere. We know that you've got five Republican senators
out of action right now. Senator Ran Paul actually is
positive for this for COVID nineteen. He's asymptomatic. Merkel, the
Chancellor of Germany, she is in self quarantine right now.

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So yeah, I mean politicians are subject to this as well.
But Pelosi seems to lack a fundamental appreciation for the
severity and the seriousness of the economic moment right now.
And this is just another example of the Democrats even now,
can't stop playing politics even now. Thanks for listening to

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at a time when the country is crying out from
bipartisanship and cooperation, and we saw that over the last
forty eight hours when regular members of the Senate, not
in the leadership office, not in the Speaker's office. For

(54:50):
good to say she's a Speaker of the House, I'll
the speaker of the Senate. We don't have one. We
were doing just fine until that intervention. So I want
the American people to fully understand what's go on on here.
The markets are already reacting to this outrageous nonsense. We
have an obligation to the American people to deal with
this emergency and to deal with it tomorrow. And if

(55:11):
we don't, I want everybody to fully understand. You're saying
everybody who's own record, I'm conspicuously avoided trying to turn
this into any kind of partisan effort for two days.
But it's pretty clear what's going on here. Yes it is.
Have you ever heard Mitch McConnell get that upset about
really anything? And this is just a betrayal. It's a

(55:32):
betrayal not just of the bipartisan effort that was going on.
Remember Schumer, I played that clippery that was from last week.
He's saying, we're working with Republicans, it's good, we're on this,
We're going to take care of this. Then Nancy Pelosi
shows up she's like, nope, let's hold them hostage and
the Democrats in the cenacle. Yeah, fine, that sounds good.
Mitch McConnell's upset because it's also a betrayal of the

(55:52):
American people. I mean, the country is going to be
increasingly politically combustible here, meaning that we're not going to
just you know, continue to say, oh, well, well, you know,
political leadership is on this and they're working on it,
and you know they'll take care of us. Politicians haven't
missed a paycheck. Politicians don't plan on missing a paycheck.

(56:14):
Most members of the media, and look, you know, for now,
even members of the conservative media. We're in that fortunate
those of us who can work from home or write
from home, or do whatever it is that we can
do remotely. You know. So far, media organizations are keeping
up with business, they're keeping going. But by and large,
I mean this is this isn't going to continue either.

(56:36):
You need businesses, you need you know, do you watch
you know, cable news shows and they've got sponsors. You know,
they've got car companies and Starbucks, and if everything shut down,
the sponsorships are going to go away. Two folks, you
know that this is where we are. Everyone's going to
be affected by this and in ways that they can't
even begin to really accurately gauge. And in that environment,

(57:00):
Pelosi is doing this. It is a complete, a complete disgrace.
The Senate bill was a bipartisan bill, it had Democrat
input from the very beginning, and Pelosi just saunters in
and it's like, you know, yeah, this is debor we're
gonna do. We're gonna do it. I would. And you

(57:21):
have to look at this and say, when do we
get to call Pelosi out for just being a disgraceful
and unethical person. The delay here matters. You know, we
keep hearing about how the timing matters for fighting against
COVID nineteen, it matters for getting masks, it matters for
any five wrestiers. The delay matters, and it also matters
for the economy. We don't have days and days to

(57:44):
wait here. I mean, people are making decisions, they're shutting
businesses down. Bad stuff is happening in real time. And
she just also, what does this mean about the confidence
we could have in any part of the legislative ability
to fix this right now at any point in time. Nancy,
you can just throw a fit and the Democrats will
go along with her Democrats in the Senate. She's not

(58:05):
the speaker of the Senate. It was Senate Democrats that
took their marching orders from Nancy on this, and I
saw a friend of mine from Capel Hill tweeted this out,
Josh Holmes, you said, the Democrat filibuster of Corona relief
is the single most irresponsible act I've seen in twenty
years of being around the Senate. God hope the Americans

(58:25):
who've livelihoods will be irreparably damaged tomorrow as a result.
The anger is going to rise, my friends, and the
anger is going to start rising toward people who don't
understand how painful this is for a lot of folks
out there who are losing everything, who are losing businesses,
losing livelihoods, losing life savings, losing hope, losing a future.

(58:46):
There's more than just a virus to fight against here.
We all know that, or at least we should. And
it's just it's troubling today having leftists come after me
because I'm trying to make the case that we need
to balance this out. It can't be whatever we do
to stop the virus is inherently justified because at some

(59:08):
point you cross, you know, on the axis here of
how many people are you losing and how much are
you losing in American society, you cross the point at
which you're unwilling to continue with the lockdown because you
realize that the loss is in every other regard are
too much. It's just it's just, you know, troubling to see.

(59:31):
I mean, look, leftists are contemptible people in general. I
would like to do everything possible to save everybody I
can across the country, and not that I can, that
we can as a government and as a people across
the country. And yet leftists continue to be contemptible, even
of those of us who are really trying to approach
this in good faith and push for wise decision making,

(59:53):
wise policy. And as I've said to you, I'm right,
I'm not just in the middle of you know, I'm
not just in New York State or in New York City.
I'm in the middle of New York City, the greatest
concentration of COVID nineteen anywhere in the United States. The
United States now has the third most cases in the world.
And I'm saying, look, we have to find a compromise here.
We have to find a balance between the acceptable risk

(01:00:17):
and the damage done to the economy. That's where we
are right now, and the government's trying to figure this
out too, which I think is part of why you
have not seen at least yet the President come forward,
and I mean, as I go to air here, he
has not yet done a press conference. I saw Cuomo's
press conference this morning. But the Democrats playing a game

(01:00:38):
at this point is something that nobody should ever forget.
I mean, you know, Nancy Pelosi is somebody who she
sees power, she sees advantage, she sees the ability to
exercise leverage over the other side, doesn't matter how desperate
the situation. In fact, that the more desperate the situation,
the better. The more desperate the circumstance, the more she

(01:00:58):
feels like she's able to get her way because she'll
play as dirty as she has to play. And this
is why you're going to see all this stuff that
the Democrats in the House caving to the insane left
wing of the House Democrats, which these people are nuts,
and there's some people that are still, Oh, we shouldn't
lose sight of the throat of climate change. Well, this

(01:01:18):
is going on. These people are lunatics, But the Democrat
left still has a lot of influence over the party
and still has a lot of say, even over the
leadership at the party, like Nancy Pelosi, and so she's
willing to make this decision. She's willing to cave to them,
and it's just it's appalling. I mean, I'm I'm quick

(01:01:39):
to say that. You know, I've all along tried to
say that we should come together here and and I'm
already seeing this fray before we even know how bad
this is going to get and where we're going to be.
I'm already seeing that. I'm you know, the the hyper

(01:02:00):
part is in nature of all the stuff that's going
on right now in Congress, as well as in much
of the media. I mean, today there was a piece,
a c ann piece about how three people overdosed on
chloroquin in Nigeria in the aftermath of President Trump's comments
that maybe this will be an effective treatment for for

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COVID nineteen. I don't know if these are people who
just took it themselves, or if they had a doctor
who poorly administered it or something, But how is this
even a news story. I've asked, and I've seen a
lot of people, you know, snarky liberals. I'm under, I'm
under left wing assault that I just you know, on
social media, they're they're all coming after the buckster, which
is fine. They're morons, and you know, ultimately you start
to recognize, you know, what are these people? You know,

(01:02:43):
idiots wake up on They're idiots all the time, and
they'll never be right, they'll never be ethical, they'll never
be worth anyone's time, and they just speak to the
brainwashed and the largely brain dead of the progressive left.
And that's that's what they do. That's that's their existence.
You know, the people that work in the media that
eight or to this left wing insanity, you know, some

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of them are the same people that I've seen who
are big advocates for you know, Andrew Gillham should be
the governor of Florida because he seems like a really,
really solid ethical individual. Seeing the stories about gilliam situation,
I also I didn't know that there was some left
wing journos out there who who were saying, oh, he
was just at he was at a wedding and it

(01:03:24):
was with a friend I saw that. I think that
the young Turks guy put that out there. He was
just at a wedding, you know, he just no, he
was actually at a He was in a hotel with
a male escort and meth amphetamine on the on the
premises and a I mean, I'm not even getting this
is what the special medicine was for, but special medicine

(01:03:44):
for other stuff and that you inject, which I didn't
even know that was a thing. And you know, we
were told that this guy should be governor of Florida,
a very important, very large state, because yeah, that's right,
if we had a Democrat like Andrew Gillim in charge
in Florida, the COVID nineteen response, I would be better.
That's what they watch you to believe. And this story
in Nigeria, a country that of the journalists that are

(01:04:07):
all piling on me now for saying, how is why
does CNN think this is a new story. The answer
to my question is it's a new story because it's
a way of saying Trump overstated this, and so now
people are dying. Trump lied, Trump lied, Trump lied, people
died about chloroquine. That's supposed to be the takeaway or
Trump overstated and people, this is idiotic. Trump said, it
may not be anything, it may not mean anything. You know,

(01:04:29):
we're hopeful we'll see And three people in a country
that is over five thousand miles away, a country of
one hundred and eighty million plus people, to begin with,
three people overdose on this a drug that's been in
that country for decades, and people have been taken to
fight malaria for decades, and this is a CNN shares
this from their main account with forty million followers on Twitter.

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This is a new story. Why oh, because of the
Trump angle, And people will pretend that they can't see that,
but of course that's why. So you know he's here.
It's where we are with all of this. You know,
it's gonna get as it gets scarier, there'll be more
bad faith, partisan leftist morons running around yelling at people
and being crazy and saying that you know you're I mean.

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This is the same the same media that was telling
us for the last week the biggest problem is calling
it Wuhan virus because that's so racist, or calling it
a Chinese virus because that's so racist. Now they're turning
around and saying anybody who wants to shut the turn
the economy back on from the shut off as soon
as possible. I didn't say tomorrow wants more dead people.
This is just bad faith idiocy, that's all. It is,

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bad faith idiocy. So you know, you get a lot
of that from the left, though we're going to see
a lot more of it going forward. Let's talk about
some of them, trying to find some of the the
upside here, first of all things that have worked so far,
and then also things that might work in the future.
Let's let's switch gears into some of that. And then
also I'll tell you about we got to do sort

(01:05:58):
of our quarantine hangout session where I tell you about
what's going on with me, and we'll do a role call.
And because this is it, you guys, Team Buck is
my only team right now. I don't get to see anybody.
I'm on lockdown. I get to see the family French bulldog.
That's really that's really it, you know, with with very

(01:06:20):
very seldom exception for young family members who are who
are healthy. You know, I don't get to see the
people in my life. So I get to talk to
all of you. This is more important than ever from
a news standpoint that I get to address all of you,
but also personally and psychologically. I mean, you know the team,
you guys are all and gals. Of course I did

(01:06:42):
do the general guys. You know guys. It means everybody.
You guys, I'm from New York. It's how we talk.
You are keeping me company through this quarantine at a
time when that really is that is meaningful, and I
hope I'm providing at some level the same for those
of you who listen and who watch. And also it's

(01:07:02):
why I want more than ever as many people to
write in and just tell me what you're going through,
what it's like across the country, and what you're thinking.
You're in the freedom art. This is the Buck Sexton
Show podcast. If you look at the dynamics of the
outbreak in Italy, we don't know why they are suffering

(01:07:24):
so terribly, but there's a possibility and many of us
believe that early on they did not shut out as
well the input of infections that originated in China and
came to different parts of the world. One of the
things that we did very early and very aggressively, the
President that you know, put the travel restriction coming from

(01:07:47):
China to the United States and most recently from Europe
to the United States, because Europe is really the new China. Again.
I don't know why this is happening there to such
an extent, but it is conceivable that once you get
so many of these spreads out, they spread exponentially and
you can never keep up with the tsunami. And I

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think that's what unfortunately, our colleagues, enough dear friends in
Italy are facing. So again we returned to doctor Foucher
here saying that the shutdown of flights from China is
the single most important early stage decision that the Trump
administration made right. The shutdown from China is. The shutdown

(01:08:33):
of flights from China was something that the media, the
same media that's now telling us, yeah, you know, the
shutdown should continue as long the economic shutdown should continue
as long as possible. They seem to be saying, oh yeah,
we well, they will not admit that they were wrong
about flights from China. The truth is there should have
been a shutdown in flights from Europe too, but we

(01:08:55):
didn't know how badly Europe had been hit. And when
you break down what's gone on in Italy, the particularly
aged population there, they have I think the second oldest
in the world after Japan. They have direct flights, a
lot of direct flights not just from China, but from
Hubei Province, which is where Wuhan City is in China
because of the textile textile factories, and there's a lot

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of crossover with China on that. That's an important differentiator
between us and them. And then they also have a
higher percentage of smokers than we do, which unfortunately for
the smokers out there, that does increase your risk from
this disease. So please please take good care of yourself,

(01:09:41):
take a little extra precaution if you're a smoker. But
Italy has a higher rate of smoking, particularly among the elderly, substantially,
I think it's double what it is in the United States.
And you know, so they had and they got hit
and they weren't ready. We have been we're now going
to have been getting ready for two weeks. And people
that think that we should just continue in this current

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mode indefinitely, I'd want to ask them, what do what
do they think the acceptable cost to the economy are right?
What do they think the acceptable ranges of what we
should do here? And they don't have any answers, because
right now, people are scared, they're angry, and there's a
lot of jockeying for status among those who are in
the narrative right now, right who's going to be listened

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to on this and who's not. In the media, you'll
see a lot of that. I just want, I just
want my country and my city to be able to
continue to function and go back to work as soon
as possible. And that's just where we are right That's
just we have to confront this that there's not going
to be an easy and easy choice to make an
easy time. So doctor Faucci though saying that that's that's

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a very important part of us. And also we've got
some on the some update on the usage of chloroquin.
The usage of chloroquin is a very well, you know,
we're hopeful on this one. It could be turning a corner.
It will not eliminate the fear and the shutdowns and everything,

(01:11:08):
even if it shows some very high likelihood of working,
but it certainly will be an issue that we or
rather it will certainly be an advancement that will help
dramatically against this. It will help dramatically in our fight
against the disease, so we'll have to see. I'll give

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you a little bit of where we are on that.
I think New York State has as of tomorrow going
New York dat as of tomorrow will be using chloroquinn
to treat this. So we'll hopefully be getting frontline data.
And you know it's not going to be as control
the study as would like, but frontline data very very soon.

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Thanks for listening to The Bus Sesson Show podcasts. Remember
to subscribe on Apple podcasts, the iHeartRadio app, or wherever
you get your podcasts. There's an issue here of we're
coming from. The President has heard, as we all have heard,
what I call anecdotal reports that certain drugs work. So

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what he was trying to do an express was the
hope that if they might work, let's try and push
their usage. I, on the other side, have said, I'm
not disagreeing with the fact anecdotally they might work, but
my job is to prove definitively from a scientific standpoint
that they do work. So I was taking a purely medical,

(01:12:31):
scientific standpoint, and the President was trying to bring hope
to the people. I think there's this issue of trying
to separate the two of us. There isn't fundamentally a
difference there. He's coming from it from a hope lay
person standpoint. I'm coming from it from a scientific standpoint.
That's the explanation that I think anybody who was being

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fair minded would have already known from watching the press
conference last week. You had this whole dust up between
President Trump and some NBC reporter over whether Trump was
giving a sense of false hope by saying that, you know,
we'll see if this combination of chloroquin and a zithromycin,
which is an antibiotic that i'm zpac. I'm sure a

(01:13:15):
lot of you are familiar. I think zpac is a
zithromycin um. If I'm wrong on that, apologies, I'm not
a doctor. I don't play one on radio. But this
would be a very very helpful tool. This would be
something that would finally make people feel like, all right,
we're gonna we're gonna turn the corner at some point here.
We're gonna get to a state where we know we're

(01:13:38):
winning this fight. And if you bring the mortality rate
down substantially, you're going to be able to make much
more clear headed I think decisions, and much you know
you're you're gonna have a better understanding of what's feasible
what's not when we can get back to work with
because right now we don't know what the mortality it

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really is and we don't have a real way to
treat this, and putting someone on a ventilator, all that
really does is keep them alive. Obviously critical keep them alive,
but it doesn't kill the virus. It just keeps the
keeps the cycle going of breathing while their system fights
off the virus. So having something that would even just

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give you know, substantial efficacy here, it doesn't even it
doesn't have to cure it the next day, but even
if it just prevents. That's why I keep focusing the
mortality aspect of it. I don't think that we're looking
to take chloroquin as at least my understanding right now
is that it's not it's not going to be something
you take as a prophylactic against this, even if it

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shows some efficacy against the disease when people are infected.
I think the likelier situation is that you're just going
to see this use in acute cases when somebody is
infected and they're trying to make sure they keep them alive.
They're going to have you know, the respiratory or the
respirator going, but they'll be giving them chloroquin in the
zithro mice, and hopefully that will be enough to make

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sure that we have very, very very few casualties among
anybody who catches this. Ye know, I'm also seeing now
and this is a classic thing. This happened. I went
on the Bill Marshaw too. I mean, I have people
who are actually hoping that I or someone in my
family gets COVID nineteen just because I'm trying to advocate
for a fact based and reasonable, numbers based approach to it.

(01:15:25):
You know, leftist see what I'm saying or hear what
I'm saying here on the show, and they you know,
I would never I'll just tell you this right now.
I would never do that. And that's it's important you
remember these things, especially when you're in my business. To
separate you from that. I get to go to sleep
every night and wake up every morning knowing that I'm

(01:15:47):
a decent, ethical person who cares about other human beings,
and even the biggest jerks around I would help if they,
you know, if they were in danger. I would help
if they needed it, and I want what's best for
all of my fellow Americans and all my fellow and
beings when it comes to dealing with this virus that
people think that it's a funny quip to say, you know, well, yeah,
hopefully you'll get this, then we won't have to hear

(01:16:07):
from you anymore. And these are blue checks, but I
mean these are journals. Yeah, that's hilarious. That's hilarious. I mean,
the left, it really is unfortunately morally rotten and diseased,
and that doesn't change is because there's a pandemic. They
have adopted beliefs, and they have adopted an approach to
other people they disagree with that is hateful and spiteful

(01:16:31):
and disgusting. So, you know, I think last week there
was such a shock around how frightening things had gotten,
how bad things had gotten, that we had a sense
that maybe there would be a little bit more of
a bipartisan flavor to this, a little bit more of
an all hands on deck from the politicians and from
the political class. But that seems to be changing very quickly.

(01:16:53):
That seems to be changing with the day. And just
wait until there's a there's an opening, they will pylon
to President Trump with everything that they've got because they
know that there's there's power at stake here right now.
The Obama administration came in during a financial crisis, and
Ram Emanuel and others, I mean they were explicit about
Ram Emanuel was at least, you know, never let a

(01:17:14):
crisis go to waste, and so they turned the financial
crisis into an opportunity to leverage the fear and panic
among people in this country to get what they wanted. Well,
that's that's really one of the you know, when when
you look at what they're going to do now, the
Democrats are going to be up to now, it's going

(01:17:35):
to be quite similar. They're going to leverage this for
their own political gain as much as they possibly can.
One of the point are about about by the way,
I know we've talked to this a lot today, but
you know you guys also need to let me know,
I mean, team that I want to make this as
interactive as I can, and we are. I have been researching.
I just got to figure out how to do it.
How to set up a voicemail in box so you

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we can play voicemails on the air about the show,
you know, for the show. I also have to note that,
you know, if you want me to try to find
I mean, there are other news stories that are happening.
It just feels like this is such a you know,
so much more central than anything else going on right

(01:18:17):
now that I don't know if you would think it
was a bit flip into it was a little bit
off key for me to get into some other things.
I mean, you just you look at at any news
site right now, though, and it's basically all coronavirus coverage.
It's basically all about this issue. You know, There's not

(01:18:41):
really a whole lot else that's being talked about or
going on. I mean, there's no sports, so I can't
even bring producer market to talk about sports. I'll try
to find ways talk to you about books and about
TV shows and other things. But you know, this is
where we are right now, this is the world that
we're living in. If you would like me to get

(01:19:05):
to a place where we can start, maybe in the
third hour, just do other kinds of stories. I'll look
for some things, find some things. I'm happy to do that,
but I want this to be a place where you
get information and you hear what's going on, and you know,
there's a sharing of how we're all feeling right now
that goes on. We're about to get into a roll
call to that end, but also I want this to

(01:19:26):
be a place where you can seek a little bit
of a rest bit from all of this and maybe
just knowing that you're hearing a friendly voice about this
and that you know, I am still optimistic. I know
we will get through this. I know we've been through
worse things as a country. But you know, let me
know a team, I am starting work on a history podcast.

(01:19:47):
That is something that I'll be doing. So you know,
there's there's some things that I'd like to introduce into
our show day to day that I'm I want to
be more relaxing, more laid back and everything else. So
that's I'm going to try to do that as well
as what I'm saying. But I also wanted to be
like why as Buck, you know, telling stories about what

(01:20:08):
it was like back in the day and you know,
in New York City or I don't know whatever, when
we need to be focusing in on the single biggest
problem facing humanity right now. So you know, to that end,
I want to try to keep things, uh, you know,
I want to try to keep things focused on what matters,
but also make sure that you're not like, oh, Buck,
you're really going to talk about coronavirus every day. Guys,

(01:20:30):
I don't know what else there is really that's going
to get at least our first hour of the show.
I mean, if something changes, that would be that would
be great. Um. But yeah, that's where that's where we are.
That is the reality of our situation right now, and
we need to deal in as we always try to
deal in this reality. Um, it was it was a
bit spooky walking around New York and door. I wasn't

(01:20:53):
I wasn't at a party or a lot of people
anything else. I was walking the dog. But walking around
this city and just seeing what it's doing here. Um.
Our response to this is crippling. I mean, I'm seeing restaurants,
I'm walking past places that I've got memories of. You know,
I've been on you know, been out with friends there,

(01:21:15):
been out with my parents, been on dates, bars and
restaurants and different stores. And you know, you when you
whether you're in a city or you're out in you know,
a rural area, you always have associations, memories that you
that you bring Tobara with certain places and and yeah,
I'm seeing places and thinking there is that is it

(01:21:37):
never going to open again? It would seem that's a
distinct possibility for a lot of them. And that's that's
really disconcerting because those are those are people that work there,
that that that's part of their life and that's how
they pay their bills, that's how they build a future
for their kids and for their families. So I'm I'm
looking for the optimistic side of this as much as

(01:21:58):
I can, and what I find is that we've been
through very difficult times as a country before. We've never
really been through this though. We've never really decided that
we were going to engage in extreme measures of this
kind to deal with a pandemic, and we don't have
a template to work off of. And so when I

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say we're going to get through this because we've been
through a lot of bad things, I'm also very cognitive
we've never been through this, We've never been through a
situation like this. That's really where we are. That's really
the recognition of where we are at this moment in time.
And I just hope that I can come to you

(01:22:41):
with good news sooner than later about how things are
going right now and it is a tough time in
this country and how can you escape? I mean, the
problem we also have is how can you escape coronavirus?
When we're all basically under different stages of self distancing
and quarantine. There's no sports going on, there's no gathering,
you're not seeing people. What do we really have to do?

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Books and media consumption. Actually, for the first time, I
try a puzzle over the weekend, which was interesting. I
try to puzzle. But books and media consumption are the
way that is most readily available for us to think
about something else, to deal with something else, And unfortunately

(01:23:24):
the media is completely dominated by this, right if you
look at the news media. So then you just got
to get into Netflix. And I'm pretty sure my Netflix
was the quality of it, the resolution of it was
down a little bit. But you know, like I said,
I want to try to do everything I can to
bring you into what we need to talk about every day,

(01:23:45):
but allso to give us all an escape from it.
So I'm working on some ideas. I've got some thoughts
and Facebook dot com slashbuck Sexton or a team bucket.
iHeartMedia dot Com to share you know what you if
you think there's a kind of segment we should do,
if they're things you just want to hear me talking about,
you know, I get up. I do this show for
three hours every day to serve this audience. So let

(01:24:06):
me know how best I can serve this audience during
this pandemic. I put that out to all of you,
and by serving you, I'll be helping myself out because
I want to be in touch with as many of
you every day as I possibly can. And this really
is you are my connection to the outside world. That
and walking this cute little French bulldog around on the street,

(01:24:27):
because you know that I'm so allowed to do and
I'm very thankful to have. Like I gotta say, those
of us who have a little canine companion around, it's
it's a special thing right now. You know, dogs, dogs
are amazing in general, but right now, I think a
lot of people are looking around saying, wow, it's really
or a cat or you know, if you're into birds

(01:24:47):
or lizards or whatever, you know, whatever kind of pet
you've got. I think now is a particularly helpful time
for us to have that companionship. You're in the freedom hunt.
This is the Buck Sexton Show podcast. Let's bring in

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the wisdom of the penalty box. We got Mark. I
want to do all the here from because we haven't
been able to talk to me a little while. Producer Mark, Hello,
how are you doing? Buddy? Your work from home now too? Yeah?
And I finally got equipment, So you're not gonna now
can hear me? I know everyone was there, they were like,
what is going on? It's not going to return to normal.
We're not gonna be okay unless Producer Mark is around. Yeah,

(01:25:28):
who's gonna yell at Buck for you know, doing stupid stuff? Correct? Exactly?
That needs to be like an ombudsman for the people
for the team. So how how do you spend I mean,
tell us just a little bit, because I think this
is we all need to share because we don't get
to see each other. There's this is water cooler talk now,
because no one can actually go to water coolers because
there's other people around them. Uh. Well, you know, how

(01:25:49):
do you spend your weekend? Uh? Not doing much? I
was glad to finally see my wife since she's back
and forth from Long Island. So that was nice, but
pretty much staying inside. I mean, what else can you
do when you're quarantined, not allowed to go anywhere? Yeah,
would you watch? I didn't. Well, let's see, we watched Manifest.

(01:26:09):
That's a good show. That's a show we watched together.
What's that about. It's about this plane. It's kind of
like Lost. It's about this plane that disappeared coming back
from Jamaica and then reappeared five years later and just
kind of landed as if nothing happened. And it's like
a mystery show. You know, where was the plane? Oh?
That sounds like a nice you know, for him and

(01:26:31):
for her, kind of kind of a show. Were you
a Lost person? By the way, if I bailed after
season three, it's very sound decision. I'm not going to
bail on Manifest just yet. It's actually kept me intrigued
the whole time. I'm shocked. No, it might be great.
I'm just saying for those that watch Lost all the
way to the end, because I made the decision, I

(01:26:51):
was like, there's no way they can make this make sense.
It's just gotten too convoluted and too weird. And everyone
I knew who watched it all the way through some
enjoyed it, and good for them, and I'm happy. But
everyone who watched it all the way through turnaround and
was like, yeah, it kind of just like mailed it
in at the end. I mean it was, you know,
the whole thing didn't really make sense. So I was
forced to watch I think the pilot and maybe another
episode in a class in college, and it didn't really

(01:27:14):
intrigue me. So I never bother to watch more. What
do you think? I mean, there's a piece in the
Wallstree journal. Now, what to do when you're sheltering in place?
What do you what do you want to do? Are
you like taking up any hobbies or anything, because man,
we're gonna have more time on our hands at home
than we have in a long time. No, I'm just
playing more video games and eating a lot more. All
I do is eat. I feel like I'm hungry every
ten minutes. I'm I'm really worried. I said that Corona

(01:27:37):
Bod maybe a thing, but it's really not Corona Bod.
It's it's gonna be a quarantine body. You know that's
gonna end up happen. People are trying to change that
with the Instagram challenges. I don't know if you've seen
these the c ten do ten push ups and other
stuff like that. I haven't seen that, but I probably
should because right now, you know, I don't know. It's

(01:27:59):
just really tough to to lie down on your living
room floor and really and like because it's also I
don't live in a house, so I got very limited space,
limited room. It's very tough to lie down your living
room floor and uh, you know, push yourself to do
like one hundred burpies at a time, I mean burpees,
so that you ever done a Burpee's the worst thing
in the world, the terrible. Yeah. So for your own home, yeah,

(01:28:21):
I mean, you know, also you're in quarantine. It's so
easy to tell yourself. Okay, I'm stressinging a little bit,
but it's a stressful situation. Yeah, I mean, I will
admit to getting an instacart delivery with a couple of
pints of Ben and Jerry's, and I'm discovered. I discovered
a kind of ice cream called not a Move, which
has coconut I discovered a kind of ice cream that

(01:28:43):
is absolutely delicious that instead of milk. Yes, I gotta
tell you it's because you know why they didn't have
the actual ice cream I wanted. And I'm usually anybody
that goes for like a substitute meat or substitute ice
cream is just destined for just appointment. But this not
a move. Cookies and cream was amazing, and it's coconut

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instead of milk. With coconut milk. I mean, I've had
halo top before. It's not dairy people like that. Yeah,
I can't. I don't really do that halo top, but
I've heard people have. All Right, by the way, you're
gonna Rooster Mark, maybe you should take up because I
know missus Mark also known as Ariel, is not around
that much right now at home. Maybe on the weekends.
Right during the week she's down in ali So, which

(01:29:26):
is Long Island for those who aren't from the New
York area, which is basically its own state, but it's
technically a part of New York. But it's a huge thing.
Maybe you should take up a little cooking in it.
You could come on the show and I could help
walk you through some of the stuff. Sure, I just
need ingredients to cook. It's kind of hard to get
stuff right now, buck, Are you really are other grocery
stores in because the grocery stores in New York. They're

(01:29:46):
empty because the only thing it's empty. You can't get
hand sanitizer. You can't get paper towel, so I don't
have a car during the week, so I can't paper.
I'm doing insta card or some sort of delivery strip.
Everybody wants home delivery. The guy will be coming in, like,
send me pictures of pasta aisle, for example, completely empty. Yeah, no,
the pasta. You can't get canned food. You can't get it.

(01:30:07):
It's crazy out there. Thanks for listening to the bus
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iHeart Radio app, or wherever you get your podcasts. All right, everybody,
it's where we get to hear your thoughts on everything
that is going on here for roll call, and let's

(01:30:30):
get to it. Shelley, I do very much appreciate those
of you who are writing in It is man. It
adds a layer of normalcy to my day that I
really look forward to. I mean I always look forward
to it. But all right, here we go, Brett hey Buck.
As terrible as everything is here in the States, I
hope no one forgets about the troops and sailors overseas,

(01:30:51):
the USS Dwight Eisenhower and Harry Truman have been deployed
and had all port calls canceled since mid February until
who knows when port calls keep a cruisane and the
morale hit of no port calls has to be terrible
for those ships and all of the deployed ships. Brett,
really good point, man, I hear you. That is being

(01:31:12):
stuck on ship under these kinds of circumstances, not able
to go ashore. It is, Um. I'm sure it's going
to be a terrible strain on our on our sailors
and airmen and people who are out there as part
of our surface naval warfare operations around the world. Um.

(01:31:32):
And I oh my gosh, summer surface forget surface under
the surface too, right, submarines. Yeah, that's gonna be tough. Um.
So Brett, thank you for and you know, my heart
goes out to all those who are doing their duty
for US abroad under these circumstances. You know, obviously people
who are deployed are going to be as we all are,

(01:31:53):
but they're going to be they're deployed. They worried about
family members worried about what's going to happen back home.
So but they've got to keep keep us safe. Still,
I mean, I worry it. I don't mean to go
down a negative path here. It's negative enough out there
in the world right now. But I worry about what if?
What if something else hits us right now? What if
we find ourselves in a circumstance where someone tries to

(01:32:17):
one of our Now, I know you'd say people all
over the world, but we have what about terrorist groups
and non state actors? Right this is Look, let's just hope.
Let's just hope things get better. Brian. Gents, thanks for
a commentary on extra tipping. Right now, more of us
need to do it. My home in rural PA has
trash pick up outside once a week. The normally two
man crew was operating by himself yesterday, driving and getting

(01:32:40):
out at every house in the neighborhood. Made it a
point to go thank him and gave him some cash.
Keep the trash guys happy. When trash pickup stops moving,
we got problems, oh, Brian, That's absolutely true. It's absolutely
the case. We should do everything we can to show
port for those who are still out there doing their jobs,

(01:33:02):
and that means if you can throw them some extra cash,
do helps them able to take care of their families.
And also, you know there's there's a self interest which
we should be explicit about here. You know, I really
appreciate and want those who are working in all those
jobs we've talked about, just keeping stuff going, keeping food
on the shelves, lights on, keeping packages moving. You know

(01:33:26):
that those people are essential right now, and I think
they're often on our society underappreciated, and we know right
now we appreciate them. So yes, do what you can
to give some extra cash to folks who can use it,
and try to be as supportive as possible as you
can to people who who are doing the things that

(01:33:47):
are necessary to keep life going. Melissa Greetings, Thank you
for advising everyone to follow the current restrictions. Ten years ago,
I was a healthy mother with a three month old baby.
I was exposed to H one and one a church
or older kids school. I got H one M one
and it developed into a serious pneumonia and nearly killed
me before my sister and husband got me to the hospital.

(01:34:08):
It took me two years to recover and I still
have damaged lungs. I was lucky. My friend, a very
healthy outdoors woman who lives out west, got H one
M one and pneumonia and spent a month in ICU
on a ventilator. She still has severely damaged lungs and
nerve damage. It was a miracle she recovered. Please keep
urging people to think before they expose others. The current

(01:34:31):
advice isn't perfect, but it's worth a grace period before
we result revert to healthy skepticism. Yeah, Melissa, I think that,
you know, that's that's where I've been. I think that
the fifteen days. You know, we comply with the fifteen days,
but they've been saying it fifteen days. I assume because
after fifteen days they're going to let people start going

(01:34:53):
back to work and start doing their jobs again or else.
Why is it just the fifteen days? And this is why?
What comes next? Part of this conversation, I think is
where I'm trying to focus right now, Because we know
what we're supposed to do in the meantime, we're supposed
to be on lockdown and stay home. Well, what comes next? Amy,

(01:35:16):
thank you. I'm one of the ones who keeps showing
up to work. I do food deliveries and work in
a kitchen that makes healthy, organic food for home delivery.
I feel such a great sense of purpose and when
I do all the time. But your words of encouragement
have meant so much to me. Well, Amy, thank you
for doing what you're doing. And yeah, I mean every
time now, you know, and I'm just you know, I

(01:35:37):
can get groceries, but I've been ordering out. It's not
good for my waistline, but who cares. I've been ordering
out more than I usually do because those there aren't
that many businesses, even in New York that are still
doing takeout and delivery. The number dwindles every day. So
I want to try to get you know, I want
to try to give them money. Keep myself fed obviously,
and the people that are still doing that. And also

(01:35:58):
it's yes, it's the sust and it's the food. It's
making sure that we don't have, you know, people that
are hungry in addition to all the other problems we
have right now. But it's also the lessening of the
anxiety and the sense of normalcy that comes from having
food like your delivery service brought to people. You know,
we need this stuff, We need this right now, Kathleen,

(01:36:22):
Now that we're cooped up, can you give out a
list of reading recommendations. All right, Kathleen, you know what
I will do right now? Actually, just because we're here,
we're in roll call, and I don't want to keep saying,
oh I we'll do this, and oh I will do that,
because then Oss and Stoats and some of the others
will yell at me as their right to do sometimes

(01:36:43):
because I just it's not that I ever don't want
to do what I say. I just get delayed with
things because I'm trying very hard. I'm trying to see
if I can find my Kindle list, because that would
be the single best. We're here, I could even just
pull it up. I can pull it up on my
on my phone. I'll do that. So you want to

(01:37:04):
know things that I recommend you read right now if
you're just looking for here we go. Team Buck is
going to pull a whole bunch from the library and
here's here's what we got. Um. I've mentioned recently Billion
Dollars Whale by Tom Wright and Bradley Hope, The Seawolves,

(01:37:26):
A History of the Vikings. Very Good Endurance by Alfred
Lansing thee hundred Year Marathon by Michael Pillsbury. Let's see
The Lost City of the Monkey God by Douglas prest
Let's see what else we have here? Justice on Trial,

(01:37:47):
my friend Molly Hemingway, Darwin's Doubt, Stephen Meyer, Bad Blood,
John Carrirew Salt, Mark Kurlanski, Let's I'm trying to skip
past it. The overly Act, demic Ones Sapiens, A Brief
History of human kind. You've all Noah Harari, and let's
see what else we have here. I think that's a

(01:38:14):
pretty good outlaw Platoon by my friend Sean Parnell, Escape
from Camp fourteen. That's pretty depressing, though, what else do
we have here? A lot of this is stuff that
I read for work, you know. I don't think a
lot of you are really going to get into Eugenics
and Other Evils by GK. Chesterton, although maybe if you've

(01:38:36):
never read Bram Stoker's Dracula, read the novel. It's amazing.
Let's see what else we have in the list here.
I'm sorry I told you. Nineteen eighty four Animal Farm,
very very good, Whittaker Chambers Witness, great book. Read that one.

(01:38:56):
Six Frigates if you want some military history, Ian Toll,
fantastic book. Adrian Goldsworthy How Rome Fell might be a
little scary to read right now, but you could definitely
do that one if you've never read it before. Friedrich
Kayak The Road to Serfdom. It's a little dense, but
it's good. Chris Kyle American Sniper A certainly worth it

(01:39:19):
if you've never read that one. What else do I
have in here? Rules for randiical Saul Lynsky. If you've
never read that one, definitely read that one. The New Nobility,
The Restoration of Russia, of Russia, States Security and the
Enduring Legacy of the KGB, very very good. And yeah,

(01:39:43):
there you go. So there's a whole The Persian pots Ole,
Kenneth Pollock, The Power Broker Robert Carrow, The Second World
Wars by Victor Davis Hansen. All great books, all right,
So I gave you those of you if you if
you're listening this on radio, go back and grab this
part of First of all, you should be subscribed hopefully
to the podcast anyway. But I just gave you. Those

(01:40:04):
are enough books. Those will last few months. Okay, Those
are all really really good books. So now I've at
least given you that list, and if there's other lists,
I'll post them. But so now I've done what I
said I would do. I've given you a list of
books to check out, books to read. So there you go.

(01:40:25):
Let's see what we have here. Now I got a
little bit whoops, I got a little bit caught up
in that. And now I've got to go back into
more roll call. You're in the Freedom Hut. This is
the Buck Sexton Show podcast. All right, now we've got Seawn.

(01:40:46):
Hey Buck. I've been a fan since the Blaze days
and love the podcast. Keep up the great work. I'm
one of those who thinks this virus is an accidental
leak from the bioweapons lab in Wuhan. It just seems
too coincidental. I would probably think otherwise of the Chinese
not acted like they did by welding people in apartment
buildings withholding details on the strain, etc. I may have
missed it, but I haven't heard you debunk this theory

(01:41:07):
at length. I would love to hear CIA analyst Bucket
action during this. Sean, I don't look the truth is,
you know, one of the first being any kind of analyst,
But certainly being a national security analyst, if you're going
to be a good one, you gotta admit what you
don't know. And I just I don't have any special

(01:41:29):
insight or information about this bioweapons lab and the Institute
of Virology in Wuhan other than it's ten miles from
this wet market. But wet markets, remember, have been a
site for zooonautical transmission from one animal to another for
a long time. It's resulted in other pandemics, you know,
SARS and for those who are wondering, you know about

(01:41:50):
the naming of these things, even stars and acronym was
considered offensive for a while in Hong Kong because SARS
Hong Kong, it's called the Special Administrative Region SARE, and
so they didn't like that the disease was being called
SARS because it had its outbreak in Asia. So yeah,

(01:42:11):
I just don't have a good answer for you, my friend.
I don't. I don't think it was a Look, it's
not an intentional outbreak that I do think we have
to put aside. But you know, we'll see in terms
of whether it broke out of that lab accidentally. Could
be I don't think so, but I can't tell you. No,

(01:42:33):
they've lost viruses before. That's established. That's fact. So how
do we know that this one didn't? You know, think
of how much now you start to crunch the numbers,
how many wet markets operate in China, how much of
that is you know? How much? How many times does
that happen? How many people interact with that on a
daily basis, And now all of a sudden this You know,

(01:42:55):
you could say the numbers indicate that eventually this would
happen in one of these wet markets. Okay, But you
could also say, well, this has been going on for years,
millions and millions of times, and this hasn't happened. So
why did it happen? Now? Two ways to look at it.
David buck I was in Israel during the Gulf War
in nineteen ninety one to January, and literally the entire

(01:43:15):
country was on lockdown for a month, no cars in
the road, nothing. They came out, all right, just spreading
a little hope out there to all those who worry
about this destroying our economy. It won't. Israel actually emerged stronger,
and they have nearly as strong an economy as we
do now. Shields high well, David, the thing about that

(01:43:36):
was everybody now that, first of all, thank you for
giving us some optimism here. It's really appreciated. Everyone looking
at this now could say, well, hold on a second,
if we knew, if we knew it's a country that
we were going to be locked down for a finite
period of time, and that we're finding a human enemy,

(01:43:58):
I think we could handle that right now. What we're
dealing with is the uncertainty of the duration of the lockdown,
and that has impact on the economy in ways that
it's very hard to predict, very hard to understand where
this all goes. Lorie, Texas has no state income tax
but really high property tax. Love your show. Interesting to

(01:44:20):
hear about life in big cities during these unusual times. Well,
thank you, Laurie. Yeah, I knew that about Texas, so
I hadn't brought up recently. I know they have no
state income tax where they got high property taxes, but
still it would be nice to avoid that state income tax. Doug,
new to your show, but not your message. I'm a
forty seven year old country boy from Alabama trying to
get myself and my mother, who is seventy six through

(01:44:42):
coronavirus meltdown. Truth be told, she's in better shape than
I am. Our parents are tough cookies. Indeed, my father
has gone on to his great reward, but his memory
is fresh in my mind. He taught me to hunt,
grow food and use my common sense. I hope you
make it through all the craziness in the big apple
up there. I say rosaries for us, all shields up.
God bless Doug, Thank you man, Thank you for just

(01:45:08):
writing in a kind message of solidarity with the rest
of the team with me, And you know, God bless
you and your mom. And I'm sure you know you
guys are gonna make it through just fine. And we
need to rally to each other so much right now.
And I'm a huge believer in that. Brandon wanted to
remind you about us longshoreman, keeping the trade goods coming

(01:45:29):
and going out here. Thanks for all you do, Buck,
Uh Yeah, absolutely, Brandon. You know I can't think of
all the jobs or rather, you know, extemporaneously, I wouldn't
be able to name all the jobs that are right
now keeping us, keeping us alive, basically keeping us going.
But absolutely, longshoreman, anybody who's involved in the movement of
goods and whatever services are still out there right now.

(01:45:49):
Everyone who's involved in making sure there's there's product in
the stores, food on the shelves, you know, milk in
the in the dairy aisle, bread in the bread aisle, whatever.
You know, they're doing a tremendous service for all of
us because they could stay home too, right They could
be like, look, I know I need the paycheck, but
I'm going to stay home for a few weeks and
just see what goes on. Imagine if everybody who worked

(01:46:11):
in a grocery store did that right now. I don't
want to be exposed to the virus. I don't want
any risk. Okay, that would be really scary for all
the rest of us. So everybody out there, a longshoreman, truckers,
you know, ups, drivers, grocery store clerks, people that are

(01:46:31):
showing up, you know, as essential personnel for the utility companies,
you know, making sure the water, trash garbage men you know,
trash collection, garbage men, you know, all these different roles
so important to us right now. And you know, you
guys are and gals. I do I have to say

(01:46:52):
that or can I just say you guys and I'm
not gonna get in trouble. But you know, you folks
are keeping this country going when we really need you
to keep us going, and we all greatly appreciate it.
That's gonna be a show for it to everybody. I'm
really hoping tomorrow, you know, the President, I'll have a
press conference. We'll have some good news to share, and
that would be really nice. Please do give me your
thoughts on what else you want to hear a day
in and day out here, because we're gonna be in

(01:47:13):
this for a certainly a while and I want you
to get the most out of the show as you
possibly can. So if you want me to just totally
divert from coronavirus entirely for the third hour other than
roll call, speak out, let me know. I'm here to
serve all of you. God bless team. Take care of
each other, take care of yourselves. Talk to you tomorrow.
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