Reboot?

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Episode Transcript

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I don't know how you found us, but I'm so thankful that you did.
It's John, Jay and Rich.I think I'm gonna take off just
like where it says the game,so we don't even have to redo the
just cut it off. Yeah,man, I mean you know, I
think it works. I think it'sfine. So welcome to the j h
RBTs Version three point zero. Iguess I was going to say, because

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you, you and Joe, Joedid it. We did it for about
like five years, did it fora very long time, very long time.
We did one hundred and thirty episodesI think together, and they told
us in podcast school, yeah,way back when that you should know how
your listenership is when you get tofifty episodes, How are you guys doing?
We were doing great. Yeah,I mean I think I think still

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has I think the feed is stillhave it. It's still active, yeah,
and it still has a lot ofpeople like re listening. So people
will be excited. But as mostthings, you know, change and evolve,
Obviously, Joey's here, Nick's here, Wait where does it? Jo?
I'm the only connective tissue that's Imean, we that's keeping the like

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it's like a band when half themembers are dead, like Earth Winning Fire,
and they're like, we're still EarthwinningFire, but it's like twelve college
kids. They're sothing funny about youwent with, uh, just death instead
of like a band that breaks upand then add new members. They have
to be they have to be dead. I was thinking about it the other

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the other day this morning driving intowork, and I was thinking, I
kind of invested too much into thispodcasting, like the podcasting overall or this
specific podcast. This started it,and then I've fully invested in podcasting,
which there's really been no professional benefitfor me podcasting for the last I don't

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know, seven years. You guyshave because you have three podcasts. I
had National Now how to Become aTerrible Person one, and then I have
How to Become a Terrible Person Premiertwo. I guess that's part of all
the same thing that I have myFuneral Home Stories, which is three,
the big one, and that Ihave the AI author so so three and
egg three and a half. Yeah, and they say and then technically this,

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yeah, now, this, yeah, now, this this is such
a you know what grant. II don't think I get enough praise that
this was my idea to bring thisback. We've talked about it, yeah,
we have. We we've talked aboutit, but it's like it's one
of those things where where Grant andI used to be the people on the
show that kind of had a lotof time on our hand, mattered the

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least. Yeah, we definitely matteredthe least, and now we now arguably
you matter the most. I stillmatter probably the least everyone, if we're
being honest here. But we've neverwe've never been busier overall, and it's
like, let's let's add this voluntarilyto our plates. But I think the
thing that we've decided is no,like virtually no editing. Yeah, no,

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no, I think it's I thinkit's one. Take all the podcasts,
all the podcast I listened to astart in the end, yeah,
and there's really no editing. Yeah, and that's the stuff I enjoy the
moment. Yeah, you get itor you don't. That's one thing I
listen to Pod Meets World a lot. It's basically the only podcast I'm listening
to right like currently, and theyhave a little more editing than what kind

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of how I like. All mywrestling podcasts are three and a half hours
and there's not a single editing inany of them. But well, the
way, kayton I, when wedo how to become a terrible person,
the way we've decided to make thatwork is we don't edit. Really the
one people pay for, Okay weshould Yeah, well yeah we really not

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for what you've described. Yeah,it's just it's a wild thing. But
I don't know. I think Ithink we just sit down and we talk,
yeah, and we just get tothe hot issues. That's so that's
the thing. It's BTS stands forBig Things sucking. And yeah, it's
gonna be really hard for me tonot swear or not get into any conspiratorial

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stuff or anything that's wildly inappropriate.So it be interesting when we both get
fired from this show and we cango back and do it like an actual
BTS and and talk about talk abouthow how our lives are in that room.
Specifically, I thought, I forsure thought I would be fired by

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Like, that's not being pessimistic,that's just that's actually the most realistic thing
that it's not like you've been activelyworking towards it yet, but but it
just assumed that it was going tohappen. Yeah, and it just it
just hasn't yet, So thank you, bless you all. As we were
walking in, you were on thephone with somebody. It was one of

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those phone calls that just kept goingand going, yeah and going. Does
your wife Kaitlyn call you when she'sin the car. Yes. There is
nothing more aggravating than when you geta phone call and you hear. The
first thing you hear is like,cool, Kitlin doesn't need anything. She
just wants to what You're like atime filling. Yeah, you just you

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just are are there specifically to keepher company. And it's it's always a
conversation because I have I have Kaitlin, my fiance Kaitlin. You have a
wife named Caitlyn, and I haveabsolutely she lives with you. Uh.
We we do this thing where iwill call her in the car only when
necessary, and I'll just be like, hi, just calling to say him

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and goodbye, love your sweetheart.Boom into story. She'll call and she'll
be like I'm just calling to sayhi, and I'll be like okay,
hello, thinking the end, andthen it'll be like you'll just hear cool,
and I'll always say so what else? And she gets so fired up
when I hit her with the whatelse that? I don't know, it's

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just that's the that's why she movedin with me. Yeah, but nothing
more annoying. What's more annoying ina relationship than when somebody uses you as
a time filler? Yeah? No, Well for me, it's when my
Caitlin is specifically driving home and shecalls like and then like what time does
she come home? I mean,it just depends, honestly, it just

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depends on the day. Like likeif you're calling me to let me know,
hey, I'm on my way,Like, that's a thirty second phone
call. Great, that that's that'sthat's what I needed. But when it
gets into like I'm on my wayhome, when are you picking up the
kids? Am I picking up thekids? Dad? What are we gonna
do for dinner? Hey? Thisweekend, we have this, this,
and this? How are we goingto balance that out? Like this is

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something we could talk about when youget home. It doesn't Yeah, it
doesn't need to be right this second. And I think other like that specifically
will drive me really crazy in thein like the worst possible ways. I'm

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just looking at kissing. They werethe CAZy ZP log right now, they
have ten minutes of commercials coming in. Nick and I both just looked at
each other, like, this isgoing to take a while. Yea,
god man, I hope they don't. I hope neither one of them listen
to this. And also we shouldhave prepped for this well. I think
part of this is an experiment too. It's an experiment and we just see

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how and you know, the thingthat sucks. I was thinking about podcasting
last night. Not to make thisall about podcasting, but if you're a
true crime podcaster just starting your podcastout a piece of shit from one take
that true crime garage, like alsotoo, at a certain point, what

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are you going to talk about?And also that's it you spend You spend
all your week planning for an episode, right, a three hour deep dive
into some case. But at acertain point you run out of cases.
There's only so many Ted Bundy storiesthat we know about. There's probably hundreds
of thousands of serial killers, right, so, really is my favorite murder?
Is that? Like the the originalone with the two comedian women.

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I don't know, I don't know, it's super annoying. That was that
was the beginning end end, ofthat story, by the way, it
was, I get on my nerves. I get mentioned in a lot of
the forums with like some of thosetrue crime people. Yeah, and I
hate it. It's me no,I mean, but it's people like,
oh, if you like my favoritemurderer, you would also like Grant Inman's
my funeral host. Yes, AndI'm like, no, you wouldn't,

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dude, what are you talking about? Are you crazy? Well though,
and like those specifically are podcasts thatare are bringing up cases to make them
interesting, yea, rather than thecase being interesting on its own. Like
there's a reason why Ted Bundy andTed Kaczynski and any other Ted any Ted

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the movie, Yeah, Ted themovie. The reason Ted Ted Brady that
that those are interesting. It's becausepeople are like interested. I'm holding my
tongue, you know how I am. I'm having a real problem right now.
You brought up Ted Kazinsky, andI'm just like salivating to get out
as many words as possible about TedKazinski. Deep. I read his manifesto

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that that tracks it's pretty good.It's a pretty good manifesto. Like if
you're gonna take the time to reada manifesto, Actually, there's a book
on tape version. Somebody read iton YouTube and that's how I took it
in Oh, and the first halfis you're like, well, this guy's
got some interesting points and the kindof kind of kind of fades into the

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darkness a little bit towards the end. But when the Unibomber things were happening,
Yeah, how we were very We'revery young. We were probably four
or five years old. Maybe Iwould say yeah, I would say,
like at my oldest was probably ten. I can't. I mean I would,
I would think it's no older thanthat. They're saying a lot of
he actually didn't take credit for alot of the stuff that was attributed to

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him, which is fascinating. We'restarting down that road. Here we go.
Sorry, man, I've got soI'm in handcuffs right now. You
can you can swear we're not.We're not the core four that The whole
thing was the four of them saying, I guess you're right, dirty language,
so get ready. But what whatI was gonna ask it was when
you were that when you were thatage and like the UNI bomber was at

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large, where you convinced that hewas going to leave a bomber. Dude.
There were two things I thought asa kid. One the Uni Bomber
was going to blow up my housetoo. Asa Basse was gonna come over
and hang out. I was inthat. I listen to that. I
was obsessed. I was the wayyou are with Blake. Twenty two was
me with a space dude. Ihad to sign the album to sign,

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I would put it on my littletape, my walkman and I would just
hang out and I'd do the poolfilter, you know, do the chores
around the thing. And I wouldconvince myself probably once a week that their
tour US was just gonna pull upand I was gonna be like, hey
guys, and they were gonna hangout with me. And I was always
planning for Asa Base to come overand hang out. But I don't know,
I don't I mean it. Imean it makes sense, like,

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I mean, why wouldn't Asa Bassbeing But I also I had no idea
they were from Sweden and they weren'tjust hanging out like Northern Indiana on like
a Tuesday in June, you know. I mean my thought is like immediately
goes to Asa Bass didn't appear onFull House, but Stephanie Tanner's band covered

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side, and I thought maybe thatwhat's that's what led you down. No,
it was just you like them somuch. They say something that might
come off as did have Has anyoneseen Kimmy Gibbler in a while, like
since Fuller House? Oh she wason. Yeah, she was one of
those exact same she looks the yeah, pretty much the exact same. I

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mean, you know, age agedup, because I always thought she was
gonna grow to be like a reallyugly like every time I saw it,
be like as a kid, doyou think there were kids there were kids
that watch full full House and we'relike, I don't really like the Tanner
girls, but Kimmy Gibbler, II mean, because some compare her to

(12:20):
Urgle. She was like she kindof took over the show because she was
so goofy and whatever, like todo a lesser extent because you know,
Steve was was his own. Ididn't like the Kimmy Gibler side on any
of the show. If there wasa Kimmy Gibbler episode where it was really
Kimmy Gibbler heavy, so they're soso, then don't don't even attempt Fuller
House. Because it's it is.She is a prominent figure here. We're

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clearly for eighteen to thirty four yearold women right now. But she reminded
me of if you if you madeAnne Jackie a little kid from rosaand like
the same type of annoying intensity,right. I yeah, I was like
the same vibe. I get it. I think I think Kimmy was a

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little quirkier and Jackie was weirder.Like I think Kimmy was like, you
know, the next door neighbors.She'd come over and she'd be wearing like
pants with like pink diamonds all downit, and Jackie would come over and
she would be wearing the same thesame design, but it would be a

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shirt and be kind of ugly,like you know, Kimmy marched to the
beat of her own drummer. Jackiewas just weird Roseanne. It's funny.
I remember always watching it as akid. But I can't tell you.
I remember the restaurant seasons where sheworked with was like, what was the
guy's name? Her boss? Thatwas gay? Yeah, well, I

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mean I know you're Martin mull Yeah, and he that that's listen. I'll
take credit for that. Paul dIt was, Hey, if you're eighteen
to thirty four, right now you'relosing, you are just into did you
deep? Did you see the guywho's all about this anti aging stuff.
I'm just gonna sorry, I'm justgonna bring up topics. This is so

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we've abandoned Roseanne. Roseanne is gone, okay, but Roseanne. I was
just trying to make the point thatKimmy Gibler and and Jackie are the same.
Okay, they are identical. Don'tdon't watch Fuller House side, but
okay. I I was so madat the Carly ray Jepson version of the
theme song. That's weird because youlove I love Carly ray Jepson. But

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I just was like, this isnot a good send up. It was
just kind of didn't do it foryou. But No, there's this guy
who's I think he's forty five yearsold. He founded this company called Braintree,
and he is essentially trying to stopaging. Oh and he's doing these
things where it's like a triple generationalblood transfusion. So it's his son.

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He takes his son's blood and putsit in his body, and then he
takes his blood and gives it tohis dad and they have the like they
sit around with ivs and hold eachother's hands and give each other their blood.
Oh is that something you'd be interestedin? Uh? No, what
happened? What happened to like theera of just I guess technology wasn't there.

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That's why people had to age gracefullyback in the day. Right,
Yeah, but I but I meanthere is a stigma to getting older too
though. There's a stigma that it'slike you're getting older now you're lame,
or now you are less less usefulbefore I mean, maybe you're not functionally

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as you know. Listen, man, I I love getting like other than
like the physical toll that my bodygoes through every single day just getting out
of bed. I love getting olderlike like you're right, I know more.
I feel like I worry about thingsthat are significant now, whereas I
look at myself fifteen years ago,and I am like I worried about everything

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except for what I should be.Like retirement, No, who cares.
I'm not there yet. I'm notgonna make it. You're not gonna make
it. No retirement age, themiddle age. I'm blood on my way
out, and let's get a bloodtransferred. But but it's okay. But

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but take take a de bath.Just been drinking all morning, drinking all
morning. I haven't had a inI guess in August it'll be eleven years.
I haven't had a drop of alcohol. That's crazy. Yeah, it
sucks that, you know, asidefrom having a fiance and a life that's
like kind of functional, I nothinghas improved. You know. It's weird.

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Is that like when I now I'mthinking back, and I don't think
it was I don't think it wassomething you broadcast that you were sober when
I first started. Yeah, soit's been eleven years. That means you
were about three years. Yeah,whenever I when I met you first time,

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dude, when I like sobered upthe first year, that's like all
I talked about. And I wasso annoying about it. I'm a sober
guy. Was it like a bragor was it? Or was it just
like you wanted to make like wellmost of the time, it was motivation
for me, reminding people that Icouldn't go get hammered like I'm sober now,
Like like I was in a bandfor a while sober and that sucked.

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That's just sucked. I got awell, no, the reason I
got sober is because I got arrestedwith this reggae band and I just was
like, oh, I better hangit up. Yeah, I don't think
I got like the like I gotsome of your dark, darker tails.
But I don't know that I everheard like the crux of what happened and
what led. Literally it's funny now. I mean it was kind of funny

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at the time. But the weekend. The weekend I stopped drinking. Like
on Friday, I blacked out anddrove to Chipotle three times at three different
times. I went at like onepm, four pm, and then seven
pm, and I have a feelingby the time I pulled up at seven
pm, I just took up likefour I don't condone that behavior now,

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and I'm shocked I should have gottenDUI like that, I mean, and
that scares me. Now. Iwould never do that again because I don't
drink. But then like the nextnight, I think I had three forties
and I woke up choking on myown vomit on my back and I gave
myself the Heimlich maneuver on my bed. Yeah, otherwise I would have been

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toasted. And then that's when Iwas like, dude, I gotta I
gotta chill out. So was itcold turkey? You were just like yeah,
And then I found out that thatwas I found out that that was
extremely dangerous that I drank. Butyeah, and no, what was funny
is it was cold turkey. AndI told everybody I was sober, but
I was drinking a bottle of coftsAre Up a day. Like I went

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from like I would go get aI would go get a bottle of zequill
at like six pm, and Ijust I'd get home and i'd pour.
I started with the little cups.I'd be like, I'm gonna have two
cups of these and then I'm gonnago to bed. And then because I
couldn't sleep, I just like therewas no sleeping because I was so medicated
for so many years. And thenI just started just pound pounding a bottle

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so I could get a bottle ofthat, and then um, like a
bag of Starburst and a bag oflike butterfinger Minis. Just I just eat
candy and drink cofts are Up allnight and then I'd stay up. I'd
stay up as late as I coulduntil I remember one night I convinced myself
I couldn't breathe. I couldn't takea breath. I was just sitting there
like, but I was clearly breathingthe whole time that your mouth. Yeah,

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and then I couldn't swallow one nightand I was just sitting there trying
to swallow and I couldn't. AndI was like, this is my life
now. They're oh, man,but yeah, not to make this.
I don't mean to make this allabout me. Well why why would you
not make it all that? Yeah? I mean he listened to j RBS
in the past. You know that'swhat this is. I um, I've
only been around someone because they callit robot tripping, right y they that

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would uh that. His name wasTom, and he was like, I
I didn't I didn't drink until Iwas twenty one. So my in my
early college years was just me babysittingbasically, you know. And so,
uh, the Tom decided he wasgoing to robot trip one night, and
so then he did. And hewas like, all I need you to

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do is make sure I don't drinkanything. Yeah, Like I don't.
I don't drink any any type ofalcohol, whatever, and then he just
spent the whole night like a littlesquirrel, like running from alcohol to alcohol,
and I'd be like literally like takingup out of it because I was

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just like, you, you willdie. I don't understand. First of
all, I don't understand why you'redoing this begin with. I can't wrap
my brain around it. And thensecondly, uh, yeah, I'm not
gonna let you do this. Andsomething happened on my watch, because it's
because it is quite literally my watch, it's at my home, and you've

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asked me to babysit. Can Itell you about one of the best birthdays
I've ever had? Oh God.So I was working at the shoe store
selling shoes. I was a shoesalesman, and I had like a head
cold, and so I thought,you know what I'm gonna I'm gonna get
some thea flu, you know.And this was this was like the DM
version of whatever. And so I'mat the shoe store. It's like nine

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thirty in the morning. I justwent to the drug store, got the
stuff, and I drank over thecourse of like three hours, I drank
the whole bottle of cough Strop atwork. And then I literally woke up
the next day in my apartment andwas just like happy birthday, and and
I went back to check the numbersat the shoe store and I just sold
like two thousand dollars worth the shoesthat day. That was I blacked out

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the whole thing. It was.It was like the one of the best
birthdays I've ever had. I donot condone. You should never robo trip.
Don't try it, right. Imean we should tell people. I
mean we should. I'm making itsound really cool, but no, it
is. It is extremely dangerous.Should not You should not do that,

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like period. Listen, guys,this is let's get serious. Let's stop
down and get serious. Don't dodrugs. Nothing good will come of it.
What is it? It comes fromdirt, It won't hurt? Is
that? What is that? Isthat? Is that something people say?
I mean obviously not. But youdidn't understand a single single thing. I
just said, well, let's breakit down. We got marijuana from the

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dirt, yeah, maybe mushrooms fromthe dirt. Yeah, I can't think
what else is from the dirt?Cocaine? Cocaine, cocaine. Do you
grow cocaine? I mean you youhave Coca leaves. I mean, I
look, man, we are touchingon things that I have, like,
no, I have no experience onlet me tell you a little bit about

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Ah, you did great, Sonow so what else is in the news?
N what else? It was theI mean, I feel like I've
been saying this a lot recently,but it was a very long, week
long show this week. Why whatwhat is making? What are these?
Wow? I think part of Welcometo the podcast, Grant had a stroke

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and so I different it started.I uh so, I think for me
this week specifically, it's like Ibroke it down in the middle with the
blink on a two show and soand so like Thursday was Thursday was very

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very rough for me. But overall, I think we're like we're we have
a lot of meetings. Yeah,there are a lot of things that we
like like that we don't haven't likethey're not optional anymore. And so I
think that's the biggest, the biggestdifference now because we had I mean it

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was Monday, we had like afull two hour meeting and oh oh yeah
I didn't have to go to Yeahyou didn't, yeah you yeah listened as
one of the non core four membersof the show. There's a lot of
things I don't get the pleasure ofdoing. You just and I'm I was
so happy when it was eleven o'clockand I was sitting on my couch like

(24:47):
heizaka Nick has three hours of workleft playing Mario Kart, just being like,
well, I was so great,nothing could go wrong. Yeah,
I'm gonna started calling you on thosedays and being like, hey man,
I got a dude, I hadthat. I bet you talked me off
a ledge like two weeks ago whenI covered for you, because we have

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this thing where you have to sendall the files for the John Shane Rich
Show to all like the affiliates andall the cities. Yeah, there's a
bunch of things, yea, AndNick, you know I have You probably
know a lot of people with OCDwho are dealing with it in a functional
way. I have OCD and I'mnot handling it well, I'm not doing

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anything right with it. I justam like I'm the guy who I have
to. Like, Kat'll be asleepbefore in the morning and I'm like pulling
on the doorknob, just making sureit's locked, and then I have to
walk down the stairs and come backup and do it again. And so
you were like, hey, canyou cover for me A sure thing?
But I'm paranoid that I didn't getthese things sent to the affiliates because there
were some technical issues. So therewas one button that I was supposed to

(25:53):
push, and no one told meI was only supposed to push this button
once, and to be fair,that is not something that I was told
either. Right, So when Ithought the show was messing up, when
I thought there was an issue,at two o'clock in the afternoon, I
pushed it three times, and thenI laid down to take a nap,

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and I was like, I hopeI pushed that button. So then I
got back up from the nap andI pushed it four or five more times.
And then then after the nap,I woke up and I was like,
gee whiz, I sure hope thatwent through. So I logged back
and pushed it, I don't know, three more times, and then I
emailed the guy who runs all thisstuff and he said, it's like the
technical person that makes sure the stuffgets sent to the appropriate place. And

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he said or I was like,hey, I just want to make sure
everything went through fine, and hejust responds, yeah, it went through
fine. But one of the guyson your team pushed the button like nine
times in this fan and he listedall the day he had He had a
time code for every time I pushedthe button, and he was like,
that literally sent all the files toall the affiliates nine times or whatever it

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was. And he literally used toplay phrase a colossal waste of resources.
And I called everyone on my phoneand was like, I'm gonna get fired.
This is it. And then Nickwas on a plane, so you
couldn't respond for a few hours,and I was smoking a cigar and Nick
was texting me on the plane beinglike, don't worry about it, it's
no big deal. And so Iwas like, the next day, I'm

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gonna come in and there's gonna bea wreckoning, right, I'm gonna get
called into an office. This wholething's gonna go down. And I came
in the next morning and at fiveoh three, five h two in the
morning, when the show is juststarting, the state the station goes off
the air completely. I haven't beenI haven't been there in three days.

(27:44):
Yeah, come back, and immediatelyeverything everything shuts dot, not just like
radio you know, a bed plane, phone, phone phone, that sort
of thing. It was dead air, which is the worst thing you can
have, just you know, completehiss. Yeah, And I was like,
oh, I did this. Thisis they're gonna I'm gonna get you

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killed when they find out you wereso so nervous. So take it.
So then this is from what happenedin my perspective. Right, So,
as far as I know, I'vespent the weekend in uh in, Illinois
with my family, and as faras I know, everything has gone fine.

(28:26):
There are a little there are acouple of things here and there that
I needed to take care of,but overall, but no, you literally
left the minimal amount of responsibility.You were like the day before and this
day are prerecorded. Don't worry aboutit. All you have to do is
handle Tuesday. And I was like, I got it. And so so

(28:47):
like I have, I have twovery young children, one just turned three,
the other one is right around ayear and a half, and so
like we're battling them going through theSaint Louis Airport. Flight gets delayed,
Da da da, and we getwe finally get there. The kids are
sitting there, they have their snacks, we have Mickey Mouse one and the

(29:11):
plane just starts moving and my phonerings. It's like I see it's Grant
and I'm like, okay, it'sabout noon there, what could be wrong?
Why would Grant need be in?And it's like the plane is going
up and like I still I shouldhave had my phone on airplane mode at

(29:36):
that point and and and didn't.So I text Grant. I'm like,
hey, man, I'm on theflight. What's going on? And it's
Grant's responses something as sensive. Man, I think I really screwed this up.
No, no, here you go? Uh this is that too.
So we were having other issues.And then at two forty four I texted

(29:56):
you after we hadn't talked since noon, and I said, hey, can
you call me when you have afree sec? I know you're traveling,
but whenever Dash. I hope Ididn't f up too bad with the Premiere
computer stuff today. I'm spiraling aboutit. No rush though, And I
just kept checking my phone a bitlike maybe my notifications aren't well. And

(30:19):
then the WiFi was broken on theplane did me breaking down? And so
I couldn't so I couldn't respond tothe text message in Caitlin was like,
my wife is like, is everythingokay? And I was like, I'm
not sure, but Grant's really worriedright now, and I can do nothing
about it. I said, Iran that macro a bunch of times because

(30:42):
I wasn't sure I hit it becauseof the black screen, and so and
so looked at it and was like, you created the same car number over
six times and it was a colossalwaste of resources. I don't know,
man, I think I'm probably inlegitimate trouble. And you responded, you
know, being cool, And thenI was like, well s man,

(31:04):
I fed up, and you andour big boss are on the email.
I'm sorry for messing up so badwhile you were out. I just hope
I don't get fired. Man.From my understanding, the show was delivered,
but I don't know if that wasthe right stuff delivered. I definitely
created the cards though. Oh andthen like what let's see that was then

(31:30):
like an hour later. There aresome words in here. I can't say
thank you for talking me down abit. I still feel like an a
hole and I'm sick about it.I literally figured, oh, I literally
figured it would just overwrite the filesinstead of creating new copies and panicked when
I didn't see it was working.So like we land and then and then

(31:57):
my phone literally just won't stop diggingbecause of all the YEA stuff that I
was receiving as well. And Iwas like, man, look like where's
case scenario. Stuff happens. Stuffhappens. It's like it's it's well,
okay, it'll be okay. Itwas learning thing. Yeah. Yeah,
So but then at eight o'clock,I can tell I was like talked down

(32:19):
a bit because I just said,John Jay just sent me four calls to
book for tomorrow, rolling my eyesat eight pm. So yeah yeah,
and then yeah, and then itlike immediately the next morning, it was
just like dead air and giant fireand then I had it and that lasted
all day. Yeah, Like wecouldn't go live, right, there was

(32:42):
major Yeah, no, we couldn'tgo live. We had to like record
everything beforehand and basically turned things aroundin real time because when we were live,
for whatever reason, it wasn't itwasn't transmating transmating, transmitting transmitting correctly.
Did you watch any of the ChimpKingdom, Chimp Chimp, what's it

(33:04):
called? Chimp Empire no. OnNetflix, I cannot even tell you,
like you're speaking a different langue.Watch so it's about I guess they're chimps.
I guess that makes sense. They'rechimpanzees, I guess. And a
documentary film crew followed them around andlike watched the group and the dynamic and

(33:24):
basically they do everything like we do. So they have like little cliques,
they go to war with each other, but it's real and so like this
isn't like CGI or anything. Thesedocumentary film crew watching and they literally they
hunt smaller monkeys and they show themdoing this and it's really bothered them.

(33:45):
I don't know why right now,but I just thought about it. But
they do this thing where they likethey'll chase a monkey up a tree,
like a little little monkey, andthen another monkey will be on the other
side of the tree, so whenhe comes back and then they'll grab it
and like as as it's like,they'll just grab it and then they like
tear its arms off like instantly.They're so strong. Dude. No,

(34:05):
yeah, no, chimpanzees are legitimate. I guess. So if if you're
listening to this podcast and that soundslike something you'd be interested in, check
it out on Netflix. I yeah, no, you can't. You cannot
describe the strength that chimpanzees, gorillas, like even spider monkeys are normally strong.

(34:27):
Have you read like a spider runat you real fast? A spider?
Yeah, I'd like not to attackme. I don't think you're not
living. Everybody making chased by spidersand chimpanzees. I got I got chased
by spider the other day, andI was like, what kind of spider
chases? Where are people seeing allof these exotic animals and things like I've

(34:47):
lived here almost a decade and Ihave seen one coyote in the parking lot
here, one coyote in my frontyard like probably a year ago, and
one scorpion that stung my wife thenight before our wedding. Did she have
to go get like the an anecdoteanecdote they had they had to get her,

(35:10):
They had to get her something.I can't remember what it was because
of the score. Yeah. Wellyeah, and I don't know where.
I don't know where. Then theyput the other one, Um, what
so where'd you get bit? Shegot bit on her booby, she got
bit on her stomach. And thenremember this, Yeah, yeah, it
was. It was crazy. Yeah. Yeah. I woke up to her

(35:34):
like a blood curdling screw, likescream, well, you guys were homeless,
and I said, yeah we were. We were on the bench right
outside the circles, being unsheltered.Okay, do you know you God eat
it easy? You have you havea you have a I literally just got
a topic I wanted to talk about. It was like, I can't talk

(35:55):
about it, you can't do it. No, so fine? Uh No,
I got chased. I got chasedby a spider the other day and
I was just like, no,how big was a spider? Probably about
silver dollars? Yeah, I'm gonnaI'm like, I'm probably three bills,
three four, four bills, fourhundred pounds just get chased. God damn,

(36:22):
did you see the whale? Whaleson top of me? Did you?
Did you? I freaking loved thewhale. I need to I need
to watch it. I've seen clips, people have sent me clips, and
I'm like, I feel like thiswould just bump me out. Oh you
haven't even watched out. Oh man. I saw the binge eating scene and
I was like, this is right. There is not a happy moment already.

(36:44):
In the entire movie. Um butit's fascinating. Brendan Fraser like lived
up to the to the hype.Um but I like my wife is more
of a person who loves like happyendings, Like she kind of likes the
generic like you know, everything's okay. And then Darren Evronowski doesn't. It's

(37:05):
kind of the opposite of that.He just kind of, you know,
gives you the story of what itis. But well, life is a
they aren't happy index. I meantypically no, yeah, every I mean,
I mean, all lives do endin death. I'm immortal. I'm
getting blood transfusion today from us.You're getting it currently from your son from
my theos in the studio, Granthas this photo saved on his phone that

(37:29):
will he will randomly just pull upand send the group. My my son
got his first haircut a month ago, and he's just he's just sitting in
like this fire truck getting his haircutand he's mesmerized by the television. But
Grant was like, I can't stoplooking at this photo, and he legit
just sendens it out on his littlebody. It's like he's got the what

(37:52):
is it? It's not an apronit's like a cape. What do you
call that capron? Is that?Yeah? I don't know what it called.
I mean the thing. If you'reyou're yeah, if you do hair,
you know what I'm talking me acall on my cell phone number five
seven four eight four nine six nineseven five. That's my old college cell

(38:13):
phone number. Do not to callit, but if you do, if
you do, tell them, Grantsis high. I'm sure that guy,
because that was my number when Iwas peaked drinking where you're just you're just
handing out all I had everybody.One time I had a gig in Rock
City, Iowa, where I wasopening up for Megade. Pretty cool,
pretty cool show, right, Grantand Megade An evening with Grant Inman and

(38:36):
Megade. Now. I was inthis band called Fiend and we were,
you know whatever, just kind ofboring alt rock. And I got business
cards made like three days before,and I got a stack. I got
a box of five hundred business cards. And I woke up to the hotel
the next morning and I opened upthe box of business cards and I had
given it like half away, andmy phone was just blowing up like all

(39:00):
and I I that was one ofthose I had before I went on stage.
I had four long, long islandiced teas. Oh my god.
Then I drank six tall cans ofbut but no Coors. I think it
was at the time the tall cansof Coors banquet or the silver bullet silver
bullet dude. Okay, yeah,I so when when you and not to

(39:22):
not to circle back to this,but now I'm generally interested. So when
you decide, okay, I havea problem, I need to I need
to fix my life. Is thatis that part of the reason why you
would change your cell phone numbers soyou don't like so you're not interacting with
the same people that would like inthat circle. No, I legitimately just

(39:45):
didn't pay my phone, Billy.No, hey man, I didn't have
a phone. I didn't have acell phone for a minute, good for
you, and then I didn't.I mean like months, It wasn't like
years or anything. But I alsostopped locking my apartment door. You're just
saying inviting hell into your life.I lived in a crummy place, but
I would just shut the door andleave and I'd go out for like a

(40:07):
few hours, come back, justopen the door. But my, my,
my, my, like mental statewas fuck it, Like, just
who cares to let it happen?Man? Man, I got runs?
I think I have runters insurance.I was pretty cool back then. I
don't know. Does everybody go throughthat though, like a time in their

(40:27):
life where they just don't feel likethey have anything to not live for.
But it's just like I just don'tgive a shit, like like like I
don't I don't have anything that's importantenough to really care about. Because I
went through a little bit of thattoo, like when we like when I
lived in Chicago, It's the worstyear of my life. Like I got

(40:47):
I got mugged, I got firedfrom the only job I've ever been let
go from was there, and Iwas unemployed essentially for that entire year.
And I moved. I moved toChicago for this job, right and there
there came a point where it's justlike I just stopped trying, like all

(41:08):
together, I just stopped trying.Like I got parking ticket after parking ticket
after parking ticket, and I justdidn't care. When I knew that it
was going to be a problem,I would leave when like the certain hours
were that you can get ticketed.I would drive my car to a Walmart

(41:30):
parking lot and sleep until I coulddrive the car back and and park again,
because I just I just I couldn'tafford anything. I just didn't care.
I was buying like the the grossestTrader Joe's beer that but because I
was the only thing I could afford, and I don't. I feel like

(41:51):
everybody goes through, whether it's ayear or just a few months, maybe
even a couple of weeks, whereyou're just like, I just I can't.
Have you ever have you heard theconcept or that it's not really a
theory. I think it's more truth. But time is a flat circle.
Do you know what that means.It's like it's like a record, you
know, there's a needle in thegroove. Eventually it all circles back.

(42:13):
I feel like you go through phaseswhere, even even having like two kids,
you'll get to a point where thefamily and kids stuff will be where
it's at. But then you'll justI feel like you'll you'll revert to that
stage for a few weeks or monthswhere you're like I just don't care about
it anything. Yeah, where it'sjust like yeah, like I care about
my family, I care about likehelp supporting them or supporting my fiance or

(42:36):
whoever you're whoever you're involved with atthe time. But then other than that,
you're like, personally, I don'tcare what's going on in my life
at all, right, Yeah,and like it is. It is kind
of one of those things like forme, I think to keep myself afloat
and to keep my mental state inlike a at least like a rational like

(42:58):
normal is to stack things to likelook forward to. Yeah. That way,
it's like, I know, Ihave to get to this date because
I can you know, I'm gonnasee two or I'm gonna go see my
grandpa for the first time in ayear or whatever. Like just find those
things where you can look. You'realways looking forward and that Like I haven't

(43:21):
been through like a time for afor a while now, probably, I
mean probably since pandemic, where it'swhere I've been so low where I'm just
like I just I just don't care, dude. When pandemic first hit,
I was like, I hope Iget it, and I hope it I
hope I die. You hope ittakes you out. Yeah, I was

(43:43):
like, I want to be thefirst one to go out with this thing
and I literally like, I remember, God, this is this is interesting
to think about now, but Ididn't. There were like period a time
when I was living in Gilbert andI just was like, I'm not washing
my hands. Yeah, that's whereyou take the heart. No, I'd
go get gas. I'd like pumpgas and then like going you know whatever

(44:04):
sectioned off and I'd touch everything andI'd be like bringing on, dude.
And then when I got it,when I finally got the RNA, dude,
I wonder if I should say this. Uh yeah, I went,
okay, okay, yeah, I'mgonna say I'll say this. This is
very this is very funny. I'vetalked about it on Terrible Person before and

(44:25):
Kate knows all about it. Butthere was a thing that happened at work,
right and I think it was ait was an event at a farm.
Yeah, and I just finished thefuneral home story. It was like
the first week in November whatever itwas, and I went to this event
and I like, I was like, man, I'm just having a cold.

(44:49):
And I was with Kyle hanging out, screwing around, you know,
before anybody got there. And youknow there's those big like jumping things like
the they're like inflatable trampoline. Yeah. Yeah, I got on one of
those and I jumped for like aminute. I was like, I can't
breathe. I was like, I'mman, I'm out of shape, That's
what I thought. And then Iwalked around and like interviewed people for like

(45:09):
I don't know, an hour ortwo, just with the microphone that I
was like talking into and yeah,and then I was I was I felt
bad, but I just like atsinuses, it's something else. And then
I went and I slept all daylong the next day and the only reason
I got out of bed was becauseI was going to see Tom Segura I
do a stand up special with JohnJay and Blake and I just got in

(45:30):
their car and I was like thewhole time we would at to dinner and
I was so and I was justlike, my sinuses are so bad,
guys. And then like that nextmorning, I had tested positive for COVID,
but John j didn't get COVID.Nobody got COVID, but yeah I
will. And I had no ideaand I went to like all these public

(45:50):
offense. Yeah, it was likeand that was the thing about especially like
when we get to whatever two anda half years, yeah, and things
seem to be clearing up. Likeit's really easy to forget that. Like,
first of all, people can getsick by anything, obviously, but
then when you're two and a halfyears in and it seems like everything is

(46:12):
cleared up, all of these eventsare open, like you're not you.
I anytime I've been sick, That'snot the first thing I jumped to anymore,
No whereas for probably two years,that's the first thing I thought,
Like, you get the sniffles,you'll be like, I'm gonna it's over,
yeah, exactly. And so whenyou when you don't, when you

(46:32):
don't, because why would you thinkabout it? And from from that event,
like a lot of people got sick, like not COVID, but there
are a lot of people that we'reunder the weather after, you know,
after that event, or people whowere sick who didn't have COVID and they
were going to the event but theywere like it's fine. And and it's

(46:55):
like it's funny looking back on thattime because it seems like it was so
long ago because so much has happenedsince. Yeah, But for for me,
when it first began, like Iwas the exact opposite that you were
like, yeah, well because likekid, you were, you were having
a kid. Yeah, your wifewas pregnant with your first kid. Yeah

(47:19):
yeah you were. So Caitlin waspregnant, and they were like they were
like, pregnant people are high risk. Yeah, and so you know,
like there was To me, therewas not a question. I'm gonna just
you know, stay home and workfrom home and do what I can because
I'm not gonna I'm not gonna takethat risk. Um and I mean spoiler,

(47:44):
uh. We we all ended upwith COVID twice in six months six
months, two years later. ButI mean, like you said, I
just I don't think people are areI don't think people are cognizant of COVID
specifically. Now my neighbor, myneighbor apparently is really sick right now with
COVID because this new yeah, thisnew strain evidently like develops like into meningitis

(48:12):
or meningitis is like attached to itsomehow. I don't know, Like I
look at it like as if you'relacing a drug. It's like, okay,
well, now your covid is islaced with meningitis and apparently he's like
he's really going through it. Butagain, I was sick two weeks ago
and about as sick as I thinkI've ever been. Like, I don't

(48:34):
I don't remember the last time Ivomited. But I was vomiting like crazy.
There was nothing, you know,there was not even a part of
me that that considered that it couldthat it could be COVID the last time.
It's funny because COVID happened, right, And I got addicted to the
stuff called crtum. Yeah, I'maware, and it was a great couple

(48:59):
of years for me. But Iwas taking so much of this stuff and
I was, you know, becauseit's like it was supplemating guys um.
And yeah, yeah, it's totallygood if you get it's very healthy if
you get into gas station. Iwas getting from a smoke shop. Uh.
And and I the first time Itook it, they were like,

(49:20):
oh, you're only supposed to,you know. The guy told me,
He's like, oh, take twotablespoons. And I was like okay.
So it was powder mixed in water, drank it, slammed it and then
I look on the back of thedosage and it was like one and a
half teaspoons was like the maximum.And then I proceeded to be like on
the couch sweating. I thought,I mean, I thought it was over,

(49:44):
but I threw up for like anhour. I was like, this
is sick as I've ever been.And then like, I think COVID was
happening. And I kept telling myselfI was getting sick like it was COVID.
Like every time I'd be like sosick, like every every week,
Pugan, I was constipated. Ihad all these problems. I was like,

(50:06):
it's the COVID, dude, Ithink I got it this time,
so I go get tested. I'dschedule appointment, get tested and stuff.
And then it was like a yearafter everything settled down, I was like,
maybe it's the cretum. And ithit me like one day I was
like, you know, I feelI felt bad for like two years out

(50:27):
and I've been taking cretum for aboutthe same time I felt bad, So
maybe those two things. Do youremember the day Do you remember the day
I talked about creatum on the airand then we had to like pull that
brake? Yeah, no, Iremember, yeah, I remember that specifically.
And then I also like that was. I want to say it was
the same week that the Real BadBreak. Yeah, yeah, it was

(50:52):
around that time, and so wehad a series of bits that shouldn't have
aired, but then aired more thanonce. I like evangelicalized the powers of
Creatum before I knew what it wasfully capable of. And I think everybody
in the room was like, Grant, you definitely shouldn't be taking it right.
You know, you have a problemwith substances, I think, and

(51:13):
I think, if I remember correctly, you pitched it as like something to
help people get off other drugs.I said, that's what other people do,
okay, because I wasn't trying toget off anything. I was just
like bored one day and I waslike, what's this creatum stuff? I'm
gonna check it out. Literally thedumbest reason to get into anything. I
saw it. I was buying likea pipe or a bomb or something,

(51:35):
and I was like, what's this? What's this stuff in this jar here?
And the guy was like, ifyou take it, you feel real
good, Like I'll take all right, I will take And I was spending
I think a big bottle of itwas like forty five dollars. I was
spending more money on creatum than Iwas weak. I Like. I remember
one day I pulled up and Iparked and I opened and I opened the

(51:57):
car door and like on the groundat the radio station was like a bag
and it's just said creatum, realbig on the outside, like it said
it in like lettering that that youwould see like common affliction, like like
the affliction affliction T shirts. AndI was like, it's like and so
I came in. I was like, hey, man, I just saw

(52:20):
like an empty bag of creatum outside. Is that was that yours? And
You're like, no, that's notthe good stuff. I was like,
no, that's like a real drug. Yeah, no, like no,
no, that's no. I gotsome. I bought some in Sedona.
That was the Bee's Knees. DuBut I'm not driving to Sedona every other
week every other week. No,I got a real I got substance has

(52:44):
got a real hold on me rightnow. Yeah, like nicotine. Yeah,
oh my god, dude, II cannot thrive without something. Well,
I think I'm constantly replacing vices withvices. I think as long as
what you're replaced that vice with isnot as severe, then that's okay.

(53:06):
Like like addiction runs in my family, like a specifically alcoholism, and like
like like my dad, my dadwas was such an alcoholic. Yeah,
like it was like coffee and beerfor breakfast. Do you think you and
that was it? Do you thinkthat then you seeing that, you're like,

(53:29):
oh, I'm not gonna I'm notgonna go down the same rabbit hole?
Yeah, I think I. Imean I went, I went to
opposite way. Like like I like, I will drink occasionally, but it's
not uh like I've I've never there'sthere are very few few times in my
life where I'm like I was outof control that night or that week or

(53:50):
whatever. Um, but my dadwas like such a significant alcoholic and in
significant like like he just it wasokay, coffee, beers, cigarettes,
that was my dad's breakfast. Andlike when he got sick and he went
to the hospital and they they prescribedhim fentyl, and my aunt, who

(54:10):
was a nurse at the time,was like, you cannot give this man,
no, this is like this druglike he is going to take too
much. Like this was his newthis is his new vice. And so
I do think that if if you'regoing the opposite way and I don't know
what the opposite way of like alcoholis, you know, but if you're

(54:36):
if you're diminishing the prior addiction withsomething that is less like maybe not less
addictive, but just less dangerous.Man, I don't know. I think
you're right. I think that's yeah, you gotta wrap your head around it
that way. But I was like, because I used to dip. D

(54:58):
God, dude, I just usedto be so much cooler than I am
right now. Sucks, dude,such a loser now counting calorie Yeah no,
no, dude, no way.I did get out of here with
that eating everything in front of me. Man. But I stopped dipping,
and I was like, because Iswitched to the pouches because I was like,
oh, this is better for me, right, But I was like

(55:20):
two tins of pouches a day,just like literally just horseshoes up. I
was putting them towards the end ofmy dip, Like, I'd get the
pouches and I just put them.I'd line them on the top instead of
putting them at the bottom because youdidn't have to spit, you're a real
man. Yeah, And so Iwas doing that. Wait wait, wait,
wait, So if you put itin the top. Why don't you
hit to why don't you hit spa? Because your your saliva doesn't sit in

(55:44):
the tobacco, So then it's justlike you're not you're not losing the tobacco,
you're not mixing it with your saliva, so it just sits up there
and you don't you don't get theburn in your throat. Huh, bad
idea. Don't if you guys,this is a listen, don't you drugs
guy? But uh, I'm noteven sure how we got here anyway.
I don't know. This kind oftook a turn. I didn't mean to

(56:06):
get all serious about This isn't veryfun or funny, is it. I
don't know they're they're I think they'refun, fun moments, but no,
So what I was gonna tell youis there's days where I'm you know,
I choot nicotine gum now. Andthere's days where I'm at home and I'm
by myself and I'm just pacing aroundmy apartment like anger, like you know,
fired up whatever, Like I'm notgetting anything done, and I like

(56:27):
lay down and take an app.I can't take an app And I'm like,
why why do I feel this?Way, why do I feel so
bad? I'm like, I've chotlike eight pieces of gum and my jaw
hurts, and I'm like, ohman, they got to reel it in.
So, uh are you watching TheIdol on HBO? Nick No,
I heard it's awful. I watchedone episode of it. I heard it's

(56:47):
awful the review that I read,And because I don't, I don't like
I like artistry, but I don'tlike artists who treat themselves like their artists.
It does that make sense? Likethe weekend, like the weekend specifically
like the Weekend. I love hismusic, like like I I was,

(57:09):
I was very much a weekend fan. Well, I mean you and your
boyfriend? Okay, I get itto get blinding lights? That's yeah.
That song was. That was likePete covid song too, right, So
I uh so I was really intoit and then I and then I read

(57:30):
that then when he was like,I don't want to be the Weekend anymore.
I want to be able, I'mlike, okay, I can't walk
in that line. And then thefirst review I read of the Idol And
now I also don't watch euphor you, so I'm not in that in in
camp. Either it's not for us. I didn't think it would be.
Yeah, but so and it waslike something along the lines of the weekend

(57:55):
made this show to service his ownself indulgence. And I was like,
okay, then that that means I'mout here. And also, here's the
thing about the weekend and able situationthat you just discussed, how he wants
to be called Able. Yeah,you did the super Bowl as the weekend.
You are forever the weekend. Yeah, You're never not gonna be the

(58:19):
weekend. And people aren't gonna belike, I don't know, I mean,
I don't think anybody's gonna treat youdifferent. It's not because you decide
you want to go by your realname. And it's not somebody dead naming
you if they call you the weekend, like or you know, don't be
offended if somebody only knows you isthe weekend, right, because that is
for the last decade how people knowyou. Yeah, I mean, and
and it is legitimately a decade.And it's like that's what it didn't that's

(58:44):
not what made you like the artistor whatever. But the show is damn
flashbacks all that good times I washaving GREATIM take me back. I just
don't. He doesn't. He doesn'tdo anything for him anymore. I understand
he's like a core important artist,I guess to the times, but I

(59:07):
just don't. I don't get it. And also just seeing this show and
the cinematography is great, the castis fine, I guess, but it's
just the amount of gratuitous sex andweird juxtapositional like sex and violence that like
Euphoria has and this show has.I just I don't get it. Man,

(59:29):
I want to be like entertained.I don't want, you know,
I don't know. I just don't, And I don't know that I have
the time for like a drama likethat in my life. You know,
what's the last drama you watch?Oh? God? I mean that wasn't
like a documentary? Yeah, Oh, I mean, do you consider the
Pandalorean a drama? I mean,say, it's a drama. It's a

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sci fi sci fi drama. Imean it's definitely not a comedy, and
so I would, I mean thatthat's it. Like, but like,
man, I have to go backand I did you watch os Arc?
Okay? No, I mean honestly, the last drama that I watched like
I watched Breaking Bad, and thenI watched Breaking Bad like four or five

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more times. Did you watcha no, I know, I've heard it's no.
I watched the first four episodes ofthe first season Better Call Saul,
and it started so slow that itwas just like I was like, okay,
like and at that time, likeand now I'm going back. At
that time, I was working twojobs, you know, like sixty seventy

(01:00:38):
hours a week, and so it'slike I would sit down and watch it
and then fall asleep and then bepissed off, you know, because I
didn't I didn't care. I didn'tget anything from it. You could probably
start at season four and just watchseasons four through six. Yeah, be
like we doesn't end in a satisfyingway, the most satisfying way. I

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almost would say I like the BetterCall Saul thing more than I liked Breaking
Bad. I do. Breaking Badfizzled out for me. I thought the
last two episodes were great, butI thought leading up to it was just
kind of and I think, butI think that's a different time in television
too, where like like like nowI feel like creators of shows can set

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up an arc, and they canthey can determine how long the season is
going to be, and how longthis season and how many seasons they're going
to be whereas at that time,and it doesn't it wasn't really all that
long ago, but at a time, it was like the networks would decide
how many episodes per season, howmany seasons is going to run, and
so you do get like kind ofthose filler episodes, even filler seasons,

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so they can get from point Ato point b um and I can see
where Breaking, I mean, Losthad that same problem. Was directionless for
a while because they had no ideahow long it was running, right right,
Yeah, and then finally like likeLindaloff and uh what, Carlton Cruz
set an end date because they werelike, we can't, we can't wade

(01:02:02):
through this stuff, and like ratingswere dwindling because because it was like a
rudderless ship I'm dealing with. SoI always said, I'm going to do
six seasons of Funeral Home Stories,and it's a book, it's not a
podcast, so there's not like thetraditional release of episodes weekly or whatever.
It's whenever I feel like doing it. And this season, I have an

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arc for the first three seasons,and then I have an arc for the
last two seasons. But right nowI'm in season four and I have no
arc, Like, I'm not sure. I just have to set up the
next two seasons basically wal you know, doing the funeral home thing. But
it's the hardest thing because I'm justliterally like it's like pissing into the wind.
It's like everything I throw out,I'm like, but how does this

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apply to season six? And thenI'm like, well, doesn't matter.
And then I'm like, well,if these don't matter, why am I
writing. I'm like, why don'tI just in a very toxic circle,
like your entire existence. I'm sittingon I got an episode coming out in
like seven days ish, and I'msitting at like thirteen pages and I need
to get I think twenty more,and I'm just like, is that typically

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what it is about? It's aboutyeah, thirty thirty thirty pages for the
three episodes, and then generally ifI do a premium it's like forty six
to fifty pages. And the lastone I did a lot of writing,
a ton of writing. I dida sixty page one. I was going
to try and do an hour longepisode, but then I'm just like why,

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like, who cares you go back? Go back to it? You
know, point again? Just Ijust don't. I don't. I don't
want to. I just want tonot do this anymore. Just live man,
come on, man, like IWe'll still we'll circle back all the
way for full circle. I don'treally know what this podcasting thing is gonna
do, but I've put a lotof time in there. Hey, you
and but that's the thing you have. You found a lane before that lane

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got to congestion, and I thinkthat's if we're going to wrap up this
specific podcast. Like starting a podcastnow is stupid. Yeah, like starting
a podcast now is stupid. Butif you find something like that you're passionate
about and you just want to talkabout it, like, there's nothing wrong

(01:04:26):
with that. But don't think thatyou're going to be the next no Mark
Marin, No that that that timehas passed. I'm glad Kaitlin and I
on our on our little podcast.We've got like twelve thousand listeners comfortably,
and then we have a bunch ofpeople that pay for it. Yeah,
and that's great, but it's sonice to like I always tell you,
it's so nice to have that outletwhere I can just unlike this, I

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can actually just go wild because it'snot corporately associated with anything. Uh,
but it was this was this entertaining. I feel like it was entertaining.
I mean, you know, ifwe're doing real time, like real time
reviews, it did. I mean, it went deeper than I thought it
would. Yeah, I was planningon that. It just it just it
it. I think it just itpivoted it, uh in a kind of

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interesting way. Uh. I thinkthere definitely needs to be like more to
you. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I just can't get it. I
mean I I yes, you don't. I mean, here's the thing.
You don't really know how the chemistryis gonna work for a little bit.

(01:05:30):
Yeah, you know, like wewe we have we have great chemistry in
in our room. The problem wehave great chemistry when we added a third
person, because typically it's just usshitting on that third p But you know,
you got to find that, yougot to find those beats. Our
chemistry in the room is very isdifferent because most of the time it's me

(01:05:51):
saying something terribly upsetting to you andyou laughing at it, and then you
furthering that bit and we can't dothat here, or or it's me saying
Grant, don't touch the walkie talkie. You can't say that. Yeah,
you can't say that on the air. And then I go watch this knocking
on the window, throwing my handsup in the air. It's a deep

(01:06:15):
cut. It's a deep reverence.So Nick, if people want to follow
you on Instagram or wherever you're active, would you can find me at Nick
Meets World And that's an Icy MeetsWorld six. I'm a classy broad and
don't look for me. Don't followme. I don't care. Leave me

(01:06:36):
follow Nick, leave me the hell? Yeah, just leave me alone.
I don't want to talk about it. Don't tell me how bad this episode
was. Don't tell me how I'ma dangerous lifestyle. No you. I
do feel like you're gonna get messageswho who cares? Uh? So we're

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gonna shoot to try and do thislike once a week, I think.
Okay, I like you said,if nothing else, even if people aren't
entertained, it's an outlet for us. Can I can I tell you something
that I thought was funny? Huh? Do you know in like military movies
where there's like the military snipers,and like, this is my rifle without
There's many like it, but thisone is mine. Without my rifle,

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I am nothing. Without me,my rifle is nothing. I had a
muffin in our in our little roomthe other day. You're sitting next to
me and to myself quietly, Iwas like, this is my muffin.
There are many like it, butthis one is fun without Without me,
my muffin is useless. Without mymuffin, I am useless. And then

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I ate it, and I waslike, yeah, what the what was
we should end it with the whatwas it? What was it? What
was the other joke that you had? You? Were you ready with?
Which one? Wait? They're theone you told on your podcast, the
one to Kade? Oh the damnit? Lenovo? Yeah? Yeah,

(01:08:01):
yeah, have you heard of theLenovo? There's Lenovo? What what is
Lenovo? Right? Yeah? Lenovo? Yeah, they have they have the
think Pad. Yeah, and Icame up with an alternative product called the
Lenovo twink Pad. And it's alaptop for like hairless, skinny gay guys.
It's like a sleeker, smoother model. You have to be specific,

(01:08:29):
like, no, you don't understandhow small this thing baddest. Yeah,
it's easy to use slippery. Someonewould say, all right, all right,
we should go okay, bye byebro,