World Chaos Isn’t an Accident… It’s Their Strategy | Tom Luongo

Tom Luongo, publisher of Gold, Goats ‘n Guns, joins to reveal why today’s global chaos isn’t random — it’s the deliberate strategy of elites fighting to preserve their power. From collapsing currencies to radicalization on the streets, Tom explains how history’s cycles of debt, war, and money printing are converging into an 80-year reckoning. In this conversation, we explore why “when money dies, radicalization rises,” how central banks weaponize disorder to maintain control, and why the dollar’s accelerating death spiral could reshape sovereignty worldwide. Tom also shares his outlook on Bitcoin’s role in the storm ahead, and the choices nations and individuals must make as the old financial order unravels.

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Ninety percent of the criticism of the United States GATS
comes from only looking at the liability side of the
balance sheet. They never look at the asset side of
the balance sheet. We're the ones draining the LBMA. Right now,
I turned to the ten year US Treasury bond. It
is going to close this week under four percent. We're
moving into a stagflationary environment. Is if the flation ers
it inflation. It's both asset based deflation commodity price inflations.

Speaker 2 (00:23):
And I want to get back on the conversation of
your plan that you laid down twenty nineteen. That's all
coming true. Go ahead and lay out the rest of
the plan for us from there. Well, all right, Tom Luongo,
what a pleasure to have you back on the show.

Speaker 3 (00:36):
You know this has been scheduled for a while, and I.

Speaker 2 (00:39):
Would just say that there's probably no one else that's
better to talk to today.

Speaker 3 (00:43):
On what's going on.

Speaker 2 (00:44):
So Tom, let me let me frame this up. And
I want to see where you want to take this,
because I had like one agenda and now the week
we're recording this on actually nine to elevenst for recording
this on nine to eleven, twenty twenty five, I feel
almost like that moment in nine eleven and twenty twenty
five where it's like, Wow, the world just changed. But
I just got back from England. They're blowing out over there.

(01:08):
The guilt market is blowing out, their bond market. They've
lost control. The BOE keeps cutting rates, and yet the
long end of the curve is running away.

Speaker 3 (01:15):
The political system.

Speaker 2 (01:16):
Is being completely overrun by immigrants. You have it's like
a powder keg where they have this like operation raised
the colors, so like Englishmen are raising the English flag
and it's like racism, which is kind of crazy. On
the other side, we have what I thought was really
interesting in Nepal. Supposedly they banned social media. They burned

(01:36):
the parliament building down. They're like killing the leaders over
there in Nepaul. In France, you have I'm just framing
this up for everybody and then we'll see who it's
going to jump in. In France we have mccrone's government
failed to survive.

Speaker 3 (01:46):
There's no confidence vote. I think it's the fourth PM
in like twelve months. They've run out.

Speaker 2 (01:50):
They have this massive, growing debt crisis, and it's kind
of the same thing as everywhere. You know, they wanted
to try to bring austerity in. People aren't for that.
Now they have this block everything movement left and right
seemed to be joining together on that. So that's kind
of like what's happening in maybe like the West. And
then and then I just got back from China. I

(02:11):
was there as they were preparing for this landmark military parade,
and you have the leaders of Russia and North Korea
there with g g Is saying that humanity is once
again faced with critical choices peace or war, dialogue or confrontation.
And then Trump goes on to say, you know, well
I lost. I guess we lost Indian and Russia to China.

(02:32):
You know, good regards to Kim Jong yu and Vladimir
Putin conspiring against the USA.

Speaker 3 (02:38):
So this is like this whole world seems like a
powder KEG. And then here in the United States we.

Speaker 2 (02:44):
Had this brutal, brutal killing that just happens way too
often on in North Carolina on public transit. Yep, Irena,
a Ukrainian woman who came here seeking safety and unfortunately
didn't find it. And then we had Charlie Kirk yesterday.

Speaker 3 (03:00):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (03:01):
I mean, the world is just a powder cake everywhere,
and I'm gonna I'm gonna do one more quote and
then I'm gonna see where you want to jump in here, sure,
because we mainly talk about finance, but finances related to
all of this. And actually there was a there was
a video clip I saw of Charlie Kirk saying that
his number one focus was deradicalization. And he said, what
do you think happens when you own nothing and there's

(03:23):
no hope and your money's losing purchasing power? Mm hm,
you turn to radicalization and he said that I that's
my single focus. And so we typically talk about money here,
but I'm gonna end with one more quote. You retweeted
a post from vbl Ghost and you said, if the
woke movement is a Marxist revolution, it is in parentheses.

(03:45):
And if that's true, then we are in the process
of approaching a nineteen sixty seven Shanghai Storm moment when
the monster they've created on the left is out.

Speaker 3 (03:52):
Of their control needs to be put down.

Speaker 2 (03:54):
So these are these are these are political, these are societal,
and these are financial revolutions that all seem to converge
at the same time.

Speaker 1 (04:01):
Yep, yeah, I mean you you're picking out my uh
my retweet of my good friend Vince Launchi. You know,
gota like that because Vince has been it's interesting like
it was. It was funny, Vince actually admitted the other day.
And I whenever I do a thing with Vince, but
I'll well, I'll read into all together stept you just
talked about in a second. But you know, whenever Vince

(04:23):
and I get together to do a podcast together, we
chat for forty five minutes before we record, then we
record for an hour and a half, and then we
chatted forty five minutes afterwards. Yeah, and you know the
Vince's cue because yesterday, yesterday day before on Twitter, he
finally said, you know, somebody said, dude, it's really interesting
that you're starting to talk.

Speaker 3 (04:39):
Like this and go right there. And he's like, yeah,
well you got that.

Speaker 1 (04:41):
You got Tom Wata to think for that, because you know,
we usually talk about this stuff behind the scenes, but
he draws it out of me.

Speaker 3 (04:47):
I can't help it.

Speaker 1 (04:48):
I'm like, yeah, I know I do that to people,
and I I just remember my heart on my sleep mark.

Speaker 3 (04:53):
You know you know how that is?

Speaker 1 (04:55):
Okay, So yes, you're not wrong that it feels like
the whole world is trying to spin out out of control.
And I'll be honest with you, as far as I'm
concerned that that's a feature, not a bug of the
system that we have that we're watching collapse, and it's
it's collapsing, and they know it's collapsing. So they need

(05:17):
to try and create as much chaos as possible because
they really do believe that during the chaos, they can
set all the people against each other, fighting amongst themselves, black, white, red, blue,
you know, Iranian Is, you know, Israeli, I don't care, Brits, Muslims,
it doesn't matter. Set everybody else in motion while the

(05:39):
elite move you know, while the elite make movements, scott
free in the background, create the next architecture for whatever
they're going to put together next, and then you know,
send in the then overpay the gendarme for all lack
of a better term, to come in and assholes and
elbows and take care of and whack everybody and restore order.

(06:00):
Now at the same time, the reason that this is
going on, and I firmly believe this, and you have to,
and I'm gonna stick to my guns on this, is
because Donald Trump has told them no. Now is the
United States going to be some bastion of libertarian freedom
of No, it's not. But what Donald Trump has told

(06:24):
them is absolutely not. We're not following that path. This
is our independence from the old colonial powers of Europe.
And if you look at the way he's treated the
European leaders when they came to Washington and fortunim the
struggle session for peace while they machinate for war. If
you watch the way he's struggle sessioned everybody, I mean

(06:46):
he invited and or sorry, he entertained here Starmer, the
sitting Prime Minister of the United Kingdom, in his castle,
Trump's castle in Scotland on that is nominally owned or
en ruled by Kir Starmer.

Speaker 3 (07:04):
I keep wanting to call him here Salom, because it's true,
it's about the same.

Speaker 1 (07:09):
I have an even worse term for him than that,
but I'll keep it relatively clean today. So and just
remember that mister Starmer got off of Trump's US Navy helicopter.
He pump wouldn't even allow the RAF to bring him

(07:31):
to Scotland, okay, I And then that was right after
he brought in Nursul of Bonderland and gave her terms
of EU's financial surrender, which is what he forced him to,
which is he forced her to sign. Of course, Bonderland thought,
you know, sign whatever it is that she wanted to,
because she's thinking to herself, like the rest of these

(07:53):
Dabogian catamites, that well, we're gonna force Trump into war,
and we're gonna waig him out, and we're just gonna
do what we want in two years anyway, it doesn't matter,
because we're gonna kill all the support system around him.
They're acting exactly the same way they did last summer
before they tried to shoot him, or where they did
shoot him and missed, But they were all running around

(08:16):
like not a care in the world right last summer
and even this summer, watching Starmer on his government collapsing
around him, and you know, home secretary resigns over something
they bring, they bring somebody else and who's even worse,
right losing in the polls. They don't care about any
they don't care about public support, doubling down on every
bad policy. This is not accidental. These people aren't incompetent.

(08:43):
They're hyper competent at being vandals. If you and I've
been saying this for years, as long as you and
I have been, you know, chatting on and off for
the you know what, three or four years we've known
each other.

Speaker 3 (08:54):
Yep.

Speaker 1 (08:55):
I think it's the biggest, probably be four now, Christ
it's been that long. They're vandals, they know exactly what
they're doing, and so Vince's tweet that you quoted earlier
is exactly correct. Right, They've been building this for years.
They are now just in burn it all down mode.

(09:16):
And they were in they were in maintain everything mode
last summer, in the weeks leading up to Butler Pennsylvania, Right,
Biden Trump debate. This is what we're gonna use as
a cat as the inciting incident. They get rid of Biden,
they called for snap elections. In France, they call for
snap elections, and in the Great in Great Britain they
get they put the people in power they want there.
They start the process of liquidating book countries, and then

(09:37):
we're gonna kill Trump and then we're gonna have Nicki
Haley versus Kamala Harris.

Speaker 3 (09:41):
That was their plan, and then Trump lived. Yep.

Speaker 1 (09:44):
Now they've been in scramble mode ever since then. So
the reality of the situation is of course very simple.
It's if we can't have it, nobody can. So No,
Donald Trump, you're not gonna come and save England and
the rest of the Commonwealth. You're not gonna save Canada.
We're gonna put our We're gonna put our high priests

(10:06):
of Debogeian, ecumenically, environmentalism in charge of Canada, and then
we're going to destroy what's the left of Canada because
we can see you cutting us off from well, we
cut ourselves off from Russian gas. We can see you
cutting us off from Saudi gas and Azari gas in

(10:27):
North Africa and everything else. So we cut ourselves off
from British gas and British oil off the North Slope.
This is why De liz Trust was deposed three years ago.
Like they can see what's happening. So Canada is their
last refuge. But Canada has always been their refuge. It's
always been the antipode to undermine the United States from

(10:50):
the north. As you know, my friend Matt Eric said
to me the other day on a podcast we did together,
Canada's is the insurrection against the United States from the
north that won as opposed to the secession against the
United States from the South that lost. Okay, when you
think about the history of the nineteenth century, the whole

(11:11):
world's being set on fire on purpose because Donald Trump
has made it abundantly clear We're not going to fight
a war for Israel in the Middle East, and we're
not going to fight a war for the British and
the French in Ukraine to destroy Russia. The problem for
Trump is that he also wants to see Israel survive,
and so what the British are now doing is allowing

(11:35):
is Now they've turned on their their Israeli partners or
you know, subsidiary, whatever you want to call them. As
far as I'm concerned, they're cutting off Israeli subsidiary. Net
Yahoo is going around and liquidating all the assets around
the region that are a threat to Israel, because I
think he realized after ten seven. I'm going back now,

(11:55):
I reframing in the last couple of years of Netanyaha's behavior.
And I feel dirty saying anything positive about that man,
because I despise him.

Speaker 3 (12:03):
Okay, with the core.

Speaker 1 (12:05):
Of my being, I know he's a sinister, ugly man,
but and I know that everything after the butt is
what's true.

Speaker 3 (12:14):
This is what I'm getting at.

Speaker 1 (12:15):
That was the past, this is now the present, and
the present is that ten seven was a Katari Hamas
operation against Israel, probably created and organized by m I six,

(12:36):
to radicalize the Israelis and start the conflict and to
start the spiral down that we have, and to get
the Israelis to go freaking bananas and want to wipe
out every Palestinian on the planet. Of course, the reaction
is over the top, of course the reaction is disgusting,
But focusing on their reaction is missing the inciting incident
and the causes belli and missing the modus operandee of

(12:58):
the people that take, as my friend Alyx Craner likes
to put it, take the two types. Take the black
antswer the red ants, put them in their drummers, shake.

Speaker 3 (13:04):
Them up together.

Speaker 1 (13:05):
Yeah, okay, And the Israelis are part of that process, okay,
And then that's gonna set everything in motion to then
set them against Iran. Shake the antjar again. Now it's
against Turkey. Shake the anjar again. But one of the
things you can say about the kind of unfocused aggression
that we're seeing in recent days from Natan Yahoo was

(13:26):
that these are very targeted strikes against other British backed
assets like Turkey and the and the radical Islamists that
are in charge in Damascus, like the Kataris in Doa Okay,
because that's where City of London wants to move to.

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Speaker 1 (15:00):
So you you can almost see that, like at the
last moment, Nat in Yahoo saw that Israel was going
to be completely betrayed and said, oh no, we're not
going there because like Netan, Yahoo don't like Netanyahu and
I don't, but I can understand his mindset if you're
willing to like put yourself into his mind for a minute,

(15:23):
which is that this guy, at the end of the day,
remember his brother died at Antebbe. As my friend Dexter
Lighteweaxer remind me all the time, he's got a certain
ethos and that ethos is Israel for better or for worse.
Right now, Israel has always been a British construct but
you know, the last ten years worth of behavior in

(15:47):
relations between Israel, the EU, Britain and the region have
been very complicated, right, and there were forces in Israel
and the Israeli government system and the Israeli political system.
They're clearly against YAH and they're backed by Europe, all
naphtally Bennett. So when you start getting into the things,

(16:07):
and when I'm getting on here, so I'm not trying
to absolve Israel of anything. Obviously they're committing whatever you
want to call it genocide or whatever. I don't care
call it what you want, the eradication of the Palestinians
in Gaza, Okay, I don't care. And we can have
and and and we can all feel horror a shame
at all of it. But when you but you look

(16:28):
at the why this is creating up while we're getting
to the powder Keg moment is exactly this. Everybody's being
radicalized on some irrational bit of violence that's being paraded
in front of us on a day to day basis,
whether it is Israel's you know, attacks on the Gosins,
whether it's some whether it's that poor girl on the

(16:49):
bus uh in Charlotte or Charlie Kirk or this or
the insanity that's happening in the in the streets you know,
all over England or in Ireland or in you know,
in the United States, like it's happening everywhere, and all
of this is a market is all this is policy?

Speaker 3 (17:09):
The question is whose policy? Who benefits from this?

Speaker 1 (17:13):
So you ask yourself the basic quite best, and who
benefits from No, it's the people that who are literally.

Speaker 3 (17:18):
In the process of losing all their power.

Speaker 1 (17:20):
Because if Donald Trump, Vladimiprut and Ajijin Ping get together
and recarve up the world, who does not see at
the table it's the same thing I've been saying for
four years, and I'm sorry, but that heuristic works better
than everybody else. Is heuristic like it's all the Jews,
or it's all this or none of that, Like it's
fully explanatory. And for you know, then for people who

(17:44):
want to see a better world, you have to understand
the game board, understand the players and the motivations so
you can see that where we're gonna wind up on
the other side because we have to be able to
predict their moves. It doesn't matter whether we hate the
moves that were that they're making we hate the game
that we're playing. Don't hate the play I hate the game.

Speaker 2 (18:04):
Yeah, right, So who doesn't have a seat England and
the EU?

Speaker 3 (18:08):
Yeah, I mean do they have any collateral?

Speaker 1 (18:11):
Do they have any energy? Do they have any innovation?
Do they have any people? Do they have a birth rate? No,
they have nothing.

Speaker 3 (18:17):
You know what they have? They have bureaucracy and shame. Yeah,
that's what they've got. And violence. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (18:25):
Now, obviously this is culminated right now, and you mentioned
all these players from Trump and bb et cetera. But
a lot of this seems to be decades in the making.
So as I kind of started out by saying, you know,
we're sort of at this maybe long end of this
eighty year credit cycle where now the bond markets across
the developed world are all blowing out. I mean, obviously
with England, as I said, right, the guilt market's blowing

(18:46):
out while the BOE keeps trying the lower rates. We're
seeing this kind of across the board. So I mean,
how much of this is just sort of this culmination
of this long term destruction of the monetary system versus
this game board catalyst of like or maybe they're they're
realizing the game is almost up, so now we have
to reshuffle the deck real quickly to kind of figure

(19:06):
out who gets that seat next.

Speaker 1 (19:07):
Well, yeah, that's what they're doing, like and they look
the you know, every time the British Empire gets in trouble,
they wanted to fault on their debt and sort over
again or the or in Europe or whatever. Remember, as Martin,
I'm Storing likes to point out all the time, and
I've had the great pleasure getting the no marety over
the past two months.

Speaker 3 (19:22):
So it's been fun.

Speaker 1 (19:24):
Bouncing a lot of these ideas off and then actually
bouncing on a lot of his ideas back off of
him and being which is to say that that what
is the America?

Speaker 3 (19:31):
What is America's superpower? It's the fact that we've never
defaulted on our debt.

Speaker 1 (19:36):
Sure, always paid our debts, even if we've gone to
inflations and we've you know, paid it. We've never ever
default on an acusip. We've always paid our posts, paid our.

Speaker 3 (19:45):
We did default on the gold. We did default on
paying back the gold in nineteen seventy one.

Speaker 1 (19:49):
Well yeah, but but you know, did we or or
where the fun or where the freaking French running an
operation using our trade deficit and our our tax dollars
that were going to France through the Marshall Plan to
take all of our freaking gold because the gall hated
us more than Matchrone does.

Speaker 3 (20:05):
Because that's what they did.

Speaker 1 (20:06):
Mark, I'm gonna reframe that whole argument by the Libertarians
and who I used to be by saying, oh, by
the way, that was our tax money, that was the
Marshall Plan that created a trade that could have created
a durable trade advantage to a trade positive trade flow
towards France. Who then, the gall who hated the United
States was then draining our money. Who's then, so we're

(20:27):
rebuilding France and he's redeeming his trade sort of plus
which we paid for by stealing our gold.

Speaker 3 (20:36):
Yeah. No, no, you don't get anymore.

Speaker 1 (20:38):
I'm over it, Like I'm over that whole argument, Like, yes,
do we need to go back on a gold standardism
form or another?

Speaker 3 (20:45):
Yes? And are we in the process of doing so? Yes?
And you know who's gonna do that, Who's gonna lead
that charge?

Speaker 1 (20:50):
It ain't the Chinese, it ain't the Russians, it ain't
the Indians, it ain't bricks and anybody else, it's us
because we're the ones draining in the LBMA right now,
We're the ones knocking down city of London. They're the
ones that ran the gold scam for fifty years to
prop up the quote unquote prop up.

Speaker 3 (21:05):
The dollars of the world's reserve currency. And they did it.

Speaker 1 (21:08):
It's ninety percent of the of the of the entire
gold manipulation system was run out of the LBMA and
the COMACS. But it all starts at the LBMA and
also there and being there in Zurich.

Speaker 3 (21:22):
That's interesting that you say that.

Speaker 2 (21:24):
I mean, to the point about the revaluing gold or
going back to this gold system. I mean, certainly a
lot of people see this. I like to follow Luke
Grammin pretty closely, and he's been talking about this for
quite a while. And how he says it's really China
and the bricks that are starting to kind of course
he to push push the price of gold back up.

Speaker 1 (21:39):
Of course he does because Lucas never met, Because Lucas
never met a talking point about finance that has ever
been positive towards the United States.

Speaker 3 (21:48):
I've told Luke this on Twitter.

Speaker 2 (21:51):
I'm like, dude, come on, well, he has told me
in his defense, I mean, he's not here and I
don't want to words in his mouth, and he has
told me that he sees that there's the US also
sees this coming to a head, and if they don't
preempt the move by China, then they kind of have
that last mover advantage. So you know, potentially he sees
a chance or the.

Speaker 1 (22:08):
First mover advantage because we're the ones draining the LBMA,
We're the ones. I said this four years ago when
we started raising interest rates. I said, it's what's going
to bake everybody's noodles, that the United States is going
to be the one that wants to seize the gold
price rise. And what's gonna make everybody's noodle is watching
the Fed put bitcoin on their balance sheet.

Speaker 3 (22:26):
Well that didn't quite come true, but that the United States, like.

Speaker 1 (22:29):
Ice, crypto is a means by which to collateralize their debt.

Speaker 3 (22:33):
Yeah, it's coming same thing. Yeah, Luke didn't say that
four years ago. I did.

Speaker 1 (22:41):
Gluke goes on Tucker Carlson for forty five minutes and
does nothing but complain no solutions to the problem. I
gave you the broad pamp to the solution, and I
hate the bike too, my own horny here, but I'm
going to do so. I gave everybody the the ancherse
I'm really angry about this this stuff, not because I
didn't get the credit.

Speaker 3 (22:58):
Put the credit. I care about to fix the problem,
and I gave everybody to the roadmap. They all called
me crazy. Fine, I don't care about being called crazy.
Next lay it about is.

Speaker 1 (23:06):
That the fact that like the roadmap is now being
laid out in front of us, and people are still
arguing like it's twenty nineteen, staring you in the face,
that that is not what's happening. Brent Johnson is more
correct about all of this in the long run, and
we all kind of agreed, Yes, is there a problem

(23:26):
in the United States in terms of the physical position,
in terms of the debt, in terms of all these things.

Speaker 3 (23:31):
Yes, But has anybody looked as.

Speaker 1 (23:33):
I as I have at the end of the day, Mark,
this is one of the things that really bothers me
because and I've said it many times. I don't think
I've said it to you personally in the life, because
you know, and I haven't talked on this a year,
But think about this, I always said, Look, ninety percent
of the criticism of the United States gets comes from
only looking at the liability side of the balance sheet.

Speaker 3 (23:53):
Sure they never look at.

Speaker 1 (23:54):
The asset side of the balance sheet. Okay, And the
and the only ass and only asked that anybody ever
wants to look at is of course the tax flow,
because that's the system, right, This system is we issue taxes.
We issued debt and pay for them, pay for the
interest on the on it with taxes, and that's how
we fund the liquidity system. And that's how this that's

(24:15):
how the system is supposed to work, as other credit
system says running right, Well, that's the British model of
central banking, debt, feudalism, slavery, tariffs. Oh and by the way,
and we were operating where everybody else was terriffing us,
but we weren't allowed to tariff them back.

Speaker 3 (24:34):
Well, well this is not fear because you're got a
better economy than us.

Speaker 1 (24:37):
Like shut up, loser, Yeah, like I think off, Like
I'm serious, Like this is They've all been sitting here
like freeom welfare quas for eighty five friggin years complaining
about this, and we had the we we built their societies.

Speaker 3 (24:53):
But most people have.

Speaker 2 (24:54):
No idea that those countries tariff US or why those
tariffs were given to them in the first place.

Speaker 3 (24:58):
I mean, and some of these terriffs, like the stuff
between US and Canada, go back well before World War
Two and the Marshall Plan. Right, Okay, So understand that.

Speaker 1 (25:09):
Understand that when you start to really think about the
balance sheet of the United States, you start thinking about
the assets, and you look at the way we've had
to deal with environmental regulations and you know, cars and
transportation and this and that, and all this managerial bureaucracy.

Speaker 3 (25:25):
That we all hate.

Speaker 1 (25:27):
What is that that's a means by which to write
the assets down behind those regulations to zero, so that
you can't bring them to bear and put them against
and put them against the liability. So all you're doing
is you're saying, well, yeah, I mean, the United States
is thirty seven trillion dollars in debt and some number
of unfunded liabilities and trillions in debt. But that's only

(25:47):
if you take as good in everything else. The regulations
aren't going to change the burden on the middle class,
tax burden in the middle class, the regulatory burden on
the middle class and all that stuff is not going
to change. But now is it happening fast enough for
the for the radicals in the audience. Of course not,
because the radicals in the audience are not grown ups

(26:09):
who wear pants. You know why, because they understand. They
don't understand that they can look at see. Well, Donald Trump,
you have he has a majority in the House.

Speaker 3 (26:16):
In the Senate, No, he doesn't.

Speaker 1 (26:20):
He won the biggest landslide and modern electoral history, but
he only won a three seat majority in the House. No,
he won a forty seat majority in the House. They
stole thirty seven of them. He won a nine seat
majority in the Senate and they sold six of them.

Speaker 3 (26:36):
Because they were still ballid. They were still ballad harvesting
in December. Yeah. Crazy, that's all being rebrune, right.

Speaker 1 (26:42):
So he winds up in the same situation he has now,
which is his biggest tail risk is a is a
Congress that doesn't want to go along with his plans
either because they're bought and paid.

Speaker 3 (26:51):
For, their corrupt or all of the above.

Speaker 1 (26:55):
So until that changes, he can only make certain moves.
You know, he can only make certain moves at the
edges of the process. Now, take that one step further.
He also had to go tap th and verse through
the entire process of reasserting the Article two powers of

(27:16):
the President of the United States and the Article three
powers of the Supreme Court. And you do that by well,
we're gonna do this thing that we know. They're going
to issue an injunction against some lower court and then
it's gonna roll up to the Supreme Court and the
Supreme Court's gonna knock it down. Okay, Well that part
of the Article two has been re established. Okay, next thing,
next thing, next thing, next thing, next thing. I saw

(27:37):
something the other day. I think it was like Trump
is won eighteen or nineteen times in the Supreme Court
so far this summer. It was like Amy Coney Barrett
finally came out and said, we're not rubber stamping his
his agenda. We're just interpreting the Constitution as written. These
judges are insane. Okay, So this is the art. This
is what Article two means. And all of these lower

(28:00):
courts don't really exist if the Congress says they go
away tomorrow.

Speaker 3 (28:06):
So Congress is Trump's biggest tail risk. They know it.
And so that's why. So that's why their whole extend
to pretend thing has been running. So what I think
is about ready to give way. This fall is going
to be once the Supreme Court gets through the last
few of these cases that are going to the big

(28:26):
ones that are going to re establish that Donald Trump
no can actually fire just about everybody under the purview
of the executive branch with stroke of the penela of
the land. Okay, same thing for all the money and
everything else. And we're nearly there. We're about eighty five percent.
There like three or four more cases that need to
be settled. I think I believe something like that. And
then once that happens done, you're going to watch it occur.

(28:48):
I've been speaking to guys over like ONBA you have
a couple other departments, and they're all like, oh, yeah,
we're just waiting. When you saw when you saw John
Thune the other day finally say hey, we're done. We're
we're pushing through all of trump'upport evens it was like
forty eight or yeah, I saw that.

Speaker 1 (29:04):
I mean, these are all important department heads and people
that are necessary to run these agencies and to clean
them up. And so when the totality of all that
excuse me is to say Trump's writing up the value
of these assets that are on the balance sheet. Once that,

(29:25):
once that's been done, now let's recalculate what the United
States fiscal position is. And if anybody has a question
about whether or not they're being successful to write those
assets up in value. I turned to the ten year
US Treasury bond.

Speaker 3 (29:43):
You're the one who brought it up, Mark, Thank you.

Speaker 2 (29:46):
Just had a record a record auction, just had a
record oction.

Speaker 1 (29:49):
Go look at it like the ten year is going
to close today, is going to close this week under
four percent.

Speaker 3 (29:55):
Yep.

Speaker 1 (29:56):
And Powell's probably only got a cut by twenty five
do more because of the CPI that came out today.
And this started well before Jackson Hole when he changed
the monetary policy. He got rid of the two percent
inflation mandate, which, by the way, Powell never liked.

Speaker 3 (30:10):
Oh by the way, he was a.

Speaker 1 (30:12):
Critic of it from the time that Bernaki put it
in place when he was a junior member of the FOMC.
So it was only the greatest thing that ever that's
occurred in the last year other than Trump getting.

Speaker 2 (30:23):
Why would he only cut by twenty five though, because
I thought, with the record jobs blowout that we just
had the revision and the jobs report, the economy looks
much worse than it is.

Speaker 3 (30:33):
And I thought, he's going to.

Speaker 1 (30:34):
I'm not going to complain, and I wanted him to
coup by I literally as of this morning, before the
CPI report. I have two reasons why I'm now moving
back toward twenty five. And it's all because of the
last six hours, because we're doing this in the day of.

Speaker 3 (30:48):
The CBI came out. And I'll explain why in just
a second.

Speaker 1 (30:50):
So yesterday I said I was doing my market report
for my patrons, which I do on every Wednesday and
every Sunday, And on Wednesday morning, I said, okay, well,
tomorrow's the CBI report. I've been charting the the monthly
close of the price of gasoline futures price of gasoline
versus the four month rolling average of the month of
over month change in.

Speaker 3 (31:12):
The CPI.

Speaker 1 (31:13):
So take the last four months of the CPI, roll
that up and and chart that against the same closing
months reported, you know, the same months closing the.

Speaker 3 (31:23):
Price of gasoline. And I ran, you know, the last nine.

Speaker 1 (31:26):
Years of that and since COVID, since or really since
Powell sort of tightening, we've been in a commodity cost
pushing place and environment where the directionally the two move
and lockstep. A couple of months here or there where
that okay, they weren't quite in lockstep, but for the
most part they've been in lockstep directionally. I mean, price
of gasoline goes up, the CPI, the four month rolling

(31:47):
average of the CPI goes up. So this month for August,
the clos was like it you know, it was down
fifteen cents over the year of the over July July
I was like two eleven a gallon monthly closing aciline
was like one ninety seven. Like my prediction CPI is
going to come in at about point one percent, meaning
it's gonna roll over, you know, proportionately with the with the.

Speaker 3 (32:10):
With the price of gasoline.

Speaker 1 (32:12):
Right came up point four. But I did say if
it doesn't do that, two things. One, it's either removing
into a stagflationary environment or potentially a demand pull environment
or the price of electricity from all these data centers
that are coming online to run AIS are now the

(32:33):
commodity or now the component of commodity cost push inflation right,
because gasoline prices year over year were down six point
six percent, but electricity prices year over Europe thirteen percent.
Piped natural gas was up nine percent. That was like
nine That was like most of the CPI rise, whereas gasoline.
So if it was just the gasoline story like it

(32:53):
has been up for the last four years, yeah, I
would have been correct. So because the CPI is blowing
out and the price of gasoline is falling or at
least is flat at around two dollars a gallon, that
tells you that we're maybe if we get two or
three months worth of data, that's that confirms this trend.

Speaker 3 (33:11):
It's not a trend yet, just a data point that
we're in a.

Speaker 1 (33:14):
Different environment and we have much less likelation than we
have forty five as opposed to fifty. Because when you
said we're gonna play the they're just still gonna play
the inflation game.

Speaker 2 (33:25):
When you say we're in a much different environment, does
that mean that we actually have less environment than what
the CBI tells us or we have more.

Speaker 1 (33:31):
What I mean is that we're moving into a different
environment from the purpose, from the standpoint of the credit
and and and in place meaning what I mean is
I think the most likely thing. But again I can
I can make two hypotheses here that we're moving into

(33:53):
what I would call it a stackflationary define environment. Now
I define staculation differently than the rest of the world does,
because well, the Phillips curve was always bullshit, which is
how we defined the cyclation of the seventies, high unemployment
with high inflation, because that the Canesian model said that
can't possibly be true because the Phillips curve blah blah
blah blah. I'm like, the Phillips curve is always nonsense.

(34:15):
We're in a different environment today. I've always said, whenever
we get to a moment like this is like post
two thousand and eight, right, I remember, like Petership versus
Harry Dent debates from that back time.

Speaker 3 (34:26):
Is if deflation or is it inflation? I'm like, it's both.

Speaker 1 (34:29):
It's a red asset based deflation. It's commodity it's commodity
price inflation. The two are going to meet one. You've
got You've got, you know, a reorganization of the economy
out of the hyper financialized into the real economy. As
you do that, you're now going to put upward pressure
on commodity prices. Going to supply chains take time to
build out. Therefore, you know, the commodity cycles were always

(34:52):
out of phase with the price.

Speaker 3 (34:53):
Therefore, you should start to see both of these.

Speaker 1 (34:55):
You should start to see kind of a reversion, a
mean reversion, and that period is best then, and because
of that, you're going to have high unemployment. You might
have rising inflation, price inflation overall for the things that
matter to people. People will complain about food inflation and
housing inflation and whatnot. But you know, but home prices

(35:16):
may fall, you know what I mean?

Speaker 2 (35:19):
Or yeah, you know, I see on trueflation today they're
calling inflation at two percent.

Speaker 3 (35:28):
And it was that's right over it seven a couple
of weeks ago.

Speaker 1 (35:31):
I watched trueflation every once in a while, I check
in with it so at interesting moments in time. So
I think it's a good model, but I don't think
it's perfect. But I think it's a better model than
the CPI certainly.

Speaker 2 (35:42):
Yeah, okay, So I want to take you back, and
I want to get back on the conversation of your
plan that you laid down twenty nineteen. That's all coming true.
So if I'm recapping this plan. Part of this is
all based off of we've only heard about the liabilities
of the US government. We haven't heard about the asset base.

Speaker 3 (35:58):
So the first time I had heard that was.

Speaker 2 (36:00):
Howard Lutnik who came on the Trump administration on All
In podcasts, and he was talking about how, you know,
through his fund, he's you know, taken over all these
different businesses, and when he comes and looks at these businesses,
he looks at all the different assets and the balance sheets,
and he's like, we all hear about the debt of
the country, but we never once have heard about the
asset base.

Speaker 3 (36:18):
And so I thought that was very interesting.

Speaker 2 (36:19):
And so what you're saying is since twenty nineteen, you've
been sort of looking at this. Now this is coming true.
I heard Howard Lutnik talk about it. You're talking about
ways that they could start to revalue some of these
assets and come up with whatever that valuation is. Sure,
and so anyway, go ahead and lay out the rest
of the plan for us from there, Well.

Speaker 1 (36:38):
Yeah, let's let's just start out there. Like you this
is when you start to and this is when you
start to open up federal lands for physical export exploitations
when you used to rebuild the infrastructure of the country
so that it's you improve the comparative our productive capacity of.

Speaker 3 (36:51):
Of individual workers.

Speaker 1 (36:52):
You also have to recapitalize the middle class, and you've
got to do that by opening up the small and
medium banking regime. And that's where I think stable the
stable coin bills come in, and and the but the
big one is that you've got to open up the
cash flow of the middle class. And how you do
that is you get you've got to get Fanning and

(37:14):
Freddy A out of conservatorship.

Speaker 3 (37:16):
You've got to get them moving again.

Speaker 1 (37:17):
The libertarians are going to hate this, but unfortunately this
is the truth. The thirty year more fixed rate mortgage
is one of the greatest inventions in American history. The
government back thirty year fixed rate mortgage is one of
the great inventions of human history because what it did
was it opened up the productive capacity of the middle
class to get a fixed costs and however much their

(37:37):
mortgage was going to be, and then use that to
then build businesses that created a higher return on investment
over the course of the life and the loan, and
thereby they were paying them. They were paying back their
mortgage with appreciating money because they were making five percent
of their business, was growing five percent of the year,
and they were paying three three and a half percent
on their mortgages. Now, we could argue about the suppression

(37:59):
of interest rates and risks and everything else, but the
truth of the matter is is that Fanny and Freddie
were an unbelievably successful project until the weirdness of the
early two thousands. And I've gotten to the point now
where I honestly believe.

Speaker 3 (38:13):
That that was an operation.

Speaker 1 (38:16):
That the entire financial crisis of the year of two
thousand and eight was designed from the ground up to
destroy the thirty year mortgage and strip people of the
ability to be able to buy a home, and then
create a massive inflation that raised the price of a
home to way beyond what anybody could afford. And you know,

(38:36):
the terms were so onerous, twenty five thirty percent down,
massive changes to underwriting rules.

Speaker 3 (38:42):
I'm fighting.

Speaker 1 (38:43):
I've been fighting with Wells Fargo for a couple of
months now, practically as a small business owner, because I
don't because I'm not on a W two and so underwriting,
you know, literally wants to sniff up my ass all
the way back to you know, the time I was
in my mom's womb and order to get a fucking mortgage,
and I'm like, no, you know, I mean and I

(39:04):
mean everything, and like it's I'm like, no, I make
this much money, it's more than enough. I'm not asking
for a lot. Give me the freaking note, and they
won't do it. And some of that is because of
the way Sarbine's Oxley was written and the way God
Frank was written. It was all written with the purpose
of making it nearly impossible for small business owners to

(39:24):
get mortgages in a reasonable time frame if they had
any kind of complications in their in their income stream, whatsoever.
And so we overcorrect it to the point of creating
this nightmare. And so the only way people and then
let's not even get into the fact that you know,
now we're talking about loan to value ratios and you

(39:44):
know how much money they have to put down and
blah blah blah blah blah. When you start to really
look at like all of this stuff, like who the
hell's got twenty percent to put.

Speaker 3 (39:52):
Down on a house?

Speaker 2 (39:53):
If if I'm not mistaken, I believe it was Bill Clinton.
Maybe it was under Reagan, but I think it was
under Bill Clinton that they also really wanted to kind
of push for this home ownership, which sort of led
to that that housing bubble.

Speaker 3 (40:04):
But part of it was because they felt.

Speaker 2 (40:05):
Like Americans should own property and there should be that
sort of pride of ownership there.

Speaker 1 (40:10):
I mean, pride of ownership is I mean ownership, property
ownership is how you build generational wealth and expid about
property taxes. So that's another thing that's that's nass in
here that we finally get rid of property taxes in
the the thousand year old feudalism brought in by William
the Conqueror to England and to the West, Like.

Speaker 3 (40:30):
This is evil.

Speaker 1 (40:31):
We're still we're still like we should not be paying
rent to the government when we own our own right
like that. I mean, like, I mean, you know, I'm
still libertarian enough to believe that taxes are theft. I'm
not like you're not gonna lie idea, but like property
taxes are still the original Senate government, Like you should
not you should not have to pay rent to the government.

Speaker 3 (40:50):
That's feudalism, folks, Yeah, like it is. It's not paying
for the fucking school system. It's feudalism.

Speaker 2 (41:00):
Yeah, it takes me back to the video piece I
was talking from Charlie Kirk where he said that happy people,
grateful people, don't get behind Vladimir Lenin or Chavez or Castro.
People that own nothing, that feel like their property is diminishing.
They don't own property or their dollars diminishing value, they
start to look for alternatives. And so that was Charlie
Kirk saying that, and so kind of to your point,

(41:20):
it's like giving them home, so they have that ownership
and then the other side is taking that away. I
want to continue with this plan that you've laid out
because I have a couple questions about that, and so
I want to talk about Trump's ability to get this done.
You were talking about, you know, some of these things
you do with the Supreme Court. But before I ask
you that question again, this week China had this landmark

(41:42):
military parade. A lot of quotes and stuff were coming
out of that. One thing I saw in Political Magazine
is said that the Pentagon's plan is now changed and
now they're prioritizing homeland over the China threat.

Speaker 1 (41:57):
It's deeper than that. So is this the game board
I believe fundamentally that the name change around the Department
of Defense to the Department of War is in order
to literally use the legalese to say, the Department of Defense,
which no longer exists, no longer has to operate under
the twenty eighteen National Defense Authorization Act, which was re

(42:18):
uped in twenty twenty two. The name, the name change
is important. It's like, you know, it's like all the
contracts that were written against the golf of all the treaties,
is that they were issued against the Gulf of Mexico.

Speaker 3 (42:27):
Well we changed the name of the Gulf of America,
so you know what I mean. Like you two can
play the legalese game, folks.

Speaker 1 (42:33):
And you know, and I hadn't thought about that this
has like Stephen Miller written all over it, folks. Like
I'm that serious when I say this is like Miller
is like clear of the clearly the guy who's in
charge of the chart over Trump Central, which is opposing
the Gan chart over at Evil Corpse Central, right the
you know Microsoft project files of all this stuff that
you know, while they advanced their plans, the Trump is

(42:55):
advancing is and you know, they're playing their games and
every and you know, sometimes they win one and sometimes
Trump wins one.

Speaker 3 (43:01):
This is the way.

Speaker 1 (43:01):
It's the way war works, folks. And if it's you're
uncomfortable with it, oh well, like you know, it's a foxhole.
Like you can dig it deeper if you want, but
eventually you're gonna have to fight.

Speaker 3 (43:13):
What does the name change mean?

Speaker 1 (43:15):
So the main so the name change and it gives
them the state they really they don't have to follow
the NDAA and the NDA said the Department Offense must
prepare to fight a two front war against Russian and China.

Speaker 3 (43:27):
That's not what we're doing anymore. Now.

Speaker 1 (43:30):
We are prioritizing walking down the Western hemisphere.

Speaker 3 (43:34):
Now. I said back in November when.

Speaker 1 (43:39):
Marco Rubio was nominated to be Secretary of State, everybody's like,
ahy that Neo Conree's and Aralis first, they're not and
they focus on all that stuff and they forget the
phone party. Marco is really well liked around Central and
South America.

Speaker 3 (43:56):
And that was.

Speaker 1 (43:58):
Quite an open political geopolitical statement to the Chinese and
the Russians that we are getting prepared to extricate ourselves
from the British mackinderesque tall poppy syndrome. Problem of keeping
all of of of keeping all of a a mess

(44:20):
so that nobody can rise and retrenching and refocusing our
efforts to creating fortress North and you know, the western hemisphere.
It's like, this is our area. Y'all have your area.
I don't care what and we don't care what happens
to Europe. We want out of NATO, we want out
of the un Like, but we can't say any of that.

(44:41):
He can't do that directly while you've got these old guards,
when you've got Mitchell McConnell's and Lisa Murkowski's and the Senate,
they will, they will get together and they will impeach him.
They but they can't impeach him if he doesn't state
the state that that's what he's gonna do. You know
what I mean, Like you have to play the game
of what's said or what's being done and what's said.

(45:03):
That's politics. And there's no way that Chuck Shuwery company
can impeach Trump over what not wanting to go to
war with Ukraine, with Russia over Ukraine, not wanting to
you know, make the American people unsafe and the targets
of the potential in Russian nuclear weapon or seventy. Really
you want to impeach him for that? How about No,

(45:25):
it's what we voted for. They keep asking us over
and over and over again, did you vote for this?
I'm like, yeah, kinda, no, actually I voted really voted
for that. And so that's the game. And when we
when you understand the game. And I thought people understood
politics better than this, but apparently not, Like I mean,

(45:46):
I don't know, I'm not This isn't this isn't bogus
to you, Mark. This is like in general, I watch
people on a day to day basis. I watch people
who are supposed to be astute political commentators not get
this basic concept. Like we used to have reasonable political
debate in this country. I used to watch cross Talk
with them, and I used to watch the maclauchlin group
with Buchanan and the rest.

Speaker 3 (46:07):
Of them, and yeah, you know, half of them were morons.
So especially that Elean or whatever the hell her name was,
not Elbert.

Speaker 1 (46:13):
She was terrible, but at the very least they knew shit.
Yeah right, she could hold her own against Buchanan even
if she was hot. She was hateful, but you know,
watching the Maconaqulin group today, We've got nothing.

Speaker 3 (46:25):
We've got a bunch of you know, talking monkeys.

Speaker 2 (46:28):
You know, so we get back if if we get
back to the plan, we're talking about revaluing the US's assets,
which would I guess potentially then lead to revaluing the
gold talking about changing the structure of the game board
of the U S sort of retrenching back to the west,
the western hemisphere. You talked about Trump's sort of narrow
margin of victory in the House, in the Senate. A

(46:51):
lot of that could be maybe resolved through this new
Senate census that's being pushed through and sort of redistish.

Speaker 3 (46:57):
Stream all those lines.

Speaker 2 (47:00):
But I guess my question is, I mean, that's a
pretty tall order to get done in the next three years.

Speaker 3 (47:05):
It is.

Speaker 1 (47:06):
It's a lot to get done. Because you think not
everything is going to get done in next three years. No,
you've got to get through the midterms. You get through
the midterms with a durable with a real durable majority
in the House of the Senate, and a lot a
lot of stuff can get done in the next two years.
You set what Trump can do before he leaves is
to set the foundation in place bestin is clearly setting

(47:27):
the foundation in place to overhaul bring the Treasury more
central to the monetary transmission system, sidelining the FED to
some extent. I think that I think he and Powell
are both agreed in in the long run that the
FED has to be returned to its pre Banking Act
of nineteen thirty five routes right, or the very least,

(47:50):
If not to that, then to a version of the
FED that is not involved.

Speaker 3 (47:55):
It only safeguards the treasury.

Speaker 1 (47:58):
Market from the international person effective, but the domestic treasury
market is under the purview of the Treasury and how
the and how that demand is maintained. And then the
Fed's job is to backstop the commercial paper market domestically,
backstop the international value of the dollar internationally, and walk
away from all of its other responsibilities.

Speaker 3 (48:20):
That would be a perfectly.

Speaker 1 (48:21):
Reasonable, you know, situation for the Federal Reserve for the
next transition period, for the next decade or generation or
whatever after that. You and I can have a conversation.
But if I'm not dead of a heart attack, so
you know, because I don't think that's I don't know
how long much longer I'm going, we'll say I mean,
I just don't. I don't see myself living the past

(48:41):
seventy five, seventy seven years old.

Speaker 3 (48:43):
I just don't. So I think it's but that's the timeline.

Speaker 1 (48:47):
So what you're doing now is you're setting up the
durable political advantage through two things. You redistrict like states
left and right. The Democrats lose, you know, lose people
left and right. This is I think, what's I think
if Charlie Kerr and Arena Zarutzka, I think that's how
you pronounce your name. If they have any staying power

(49:10):
as symbols, it will be for everybody to stand up
and go, Okay, that's enough, no more. We have work
to do and it's time to move on. You know,
yesterday when I was again when I was doing the
market report yesterday, right before I sat down the hit record,
so I was popping through my Slack server and somebody
had posted this AI. I was clearly an AI picture

(49:34):
of a mural of of Arena up on a tenement wall,
and you know, imagine like Baltimore or whatever.

Speaker 3 (49:41):
Yep. And I took one look at.

Speaker 1 (49:44):
That, and it was in service of the tweet that
went out by some guys that I'm gonna raise I
want to raise five hundred thousand dollars to do block
art block grants to paint murals of Irena all over
the United States.

Speaker 3 (49:56):
And then Elon Musk comes in and says, I pledge
a million dollars. Yeah, I saw that, and I went,
that's how you handle this?

Speaker 1 (50:04):
Oh yeah, Oh no, No, you absolutely beat the living
shit out of anybody that is going to treat another
woman like anywhere close to what that animal treat how
that animal treated her like. We have to step up
as men and say we're willing to protect our women
and we're not, and we're no longer going to indulge

(50:25):
in the erasure of women and the erasure of men
from our society by blending them into some you know,
non binary milange of purple hairs and tattoos. Fuck off, No,
we're not doing that. That is not the world that
any of us want to live in. And what that
means is it's like it's like that, I don't know,

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when's the last time you saw you watch shindlows List.

Speaker 3 (50:53):
You remember in the end of shindoors List, No tell.

Speaker 1 (50:58):
Me during the know as we get to the left
after the movie is over, and we move forward into
the future, and we move into the present, and all
the surviving Shindler Jews come walking over and and they
just still in them, you know, paying their respects it
as a grave. There's one one old woman every freaking
time I watch this, and I haven't watched it in years,

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because that movie like destroys me.

Speaker 3 (51:20):
She always walks by.

Speaker 1 (51:21):
I can just watch that scene over and over again,
and she just walks by and she pats the grave
a couple of times, and and it breaks me up
every time. That's kind of what we have to do
and acknowledge and use this. Like those murals of Arena,
if they do get painted around the country.

Speaker 3 (51:42):
Gonna get some of the're gonna getainted over.

Speaker 1 (51:44):
But if we use those and we protect those and
everybody and every day we take the we take the
opportunity to say to ourselves, we walk by them, those
who walk by them, take a moment, nod, say silent
prayer or whatever you know that's between you and what
for God.

Speaker 3 (52:00):
You may or may not worship Patta reverently once.

Speaker 1 (52:04):
Or twice, and they go, enough is enough, and you
move and you're not gonna let that happen again.

Speaker 3 (52:08):
If we all do that, this fixes itself in the
long run. Yep.

Speaker 1 (52:14):
It's we have to be both firm, be willing to
put violence on the table, use the threat of violence,
and to say that's it no more. Everybody's talking about
this freaking communist Mandami in New York. Me. If I
was in New York, I'd be voting for Curtis Sliwa

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of the Guardian Angels. I remember when that guy, I
remember when we both had hair. That guy has done
yeomen's work for New York for forty years. So you know,
from my perspective, that's kind of our mindset. It's where
it has to be. We have to be both. We

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have to be resolute, willing to forgive if necessary, and
willing to beat people and put them now like a
rabbit dog if they're not.

Speaker 3 (53:10):
That's where we need to be. We need to be
prepared to do all of those things at the same
time and do it this passionately.

Speaker 1 (53:19):
And then if it's Charlie, and if it's an image
of Charlie Kirk, or if then it was Irena or
whoever it is mine, whatever gets you, whatever motivates you
to get up.

Speaker 3 (53:27):
For the game that day. I'm good.

Speaker 1 (53:30):
I'm good with it because they use George Floyd to
burn our cities to the freaking ground and make us pay.

Speaker 3 (53:36):
For it as a humiliation ritual. Never forgive that ever. Ever.

Speaker 1 (53:46):
Now let's move forward. So you know the assets are
right here, Mark, it's how we use those assets. But
we got to get all of the bullshit out of
our way so that we could actually go out there
and and create.

Speaker 3 (54:01):
And they don't want us to create.

Speaker 1 (54:02):
They want us weak, they want us to bite it,
they want us afraid, they want us angry at some
other guy. I'm not angry at black people. I ain't
angry at no. I know exactly who I'm angry at. Yeah,
and they woke up a lot of people yesterday.

Speaker 3 (54:19):
Yeah they did. Yeah they did.

Speaker 2 (54:21):
And they're all going one direction. Yep, they're all going
one direction. And so I think we're gonna wrap it
up with that.

Speaker 3 (54:28):
Tom.

Speaker 2 (54:28):
That was a great way to sort of put a
pin in it. He laid out the case. You gave
us the catalyst, and uh yeah, hopefully this momentum will
keep going. Tom, You're a wealth of information. Like I
said when we first started, as fate would have it.
You're probably the perfect person to talk to today. Gold Goats
and Guns is your podcast. Everyone should go download that.

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You have the newsletter. We're gonna link to that down below.
Anything else people should be paying attention.

Speaker 1 (54:53):
To, just my twitter feed. We're are the worst version
of me will show up every day. I promise, because
I'm in charge of it. T all right, Tom, We're
gonna test the TfL seventeen twenty eight on Twitter.

Speaker 2 (55:06):
Yeah, TfL. All right, We'll link to that down the
show notes down below. Thanks so much, Tom, Thank you, Mark.

Speaker 3 (55:11):
Have a great day. It was It was good catching
up with you man.