May 25, 2023 • 32 mins
Pollster John Mclaughlin joins Greg Jarrett to discuss the upcoming 2024 Presidential race and just what it meant to have Florida Governor Ron Desantis join the race.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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not entitled to it. That's an individuation of mister Allen.
Mister these individuals have been determined not to be whistle blowers.
These are not whistleblowers. They've been determined by the agency
not to be whistleblowers. And I'm proud of the progress
my administration has made. We reduced the deficit in the
first two years by one point seven trillion dollars in
the first two years. I wish we could have just
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a normal human being as president.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
That's what I want to afredom is that style. Welcome
to the revolution.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
Coming to your site, going the way against us and
saying you a concert cell Sean Hennity Show on Freaking
News and more bold inspired solutions for America, And welcome
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to the Sean Hannity Show on Greg Jarrett filling in
for Sean back now for my second hour. As I
mentioned earlier, you can follow me on Twitter at Greg Jarrett.
You can read my legal columns and other articles on
my website, Thegreg Jarrett dot com and listen to my
podcast The Brief. As I mentioned earlier, I do have
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a new book coming out in just a few days.
It's called Trial of the Century, about a pivotal moment
in America where our cherish free speech rights were hanging
in the balance. America stood at the precipice. And you
can get that book by going to my website, Thegreg
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jarrett dot com slash book. You can click on there
and order the book, or you can just go to
Amazon dot Combarnesendnoble dot com the usual places, or wait
until Tuesday when the book comes out. All right, big
news this week, lots of different topics, but politically or electorally,
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we now have Ron DeSantis who has jumped into the
presidential sweep stakes on the Republican side, joining Tim Scott,
Nikki Haley, Vivik Ramaswami, and of course Donald Trump. Depending
upon the poll you're looking at, Trump appears to be
substantially ahead, which is why my guest now joins me,
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John McLaughlin. Our listeners, No, John, he's the head of
McLaughlin Associates, a premiere polling group in America and JOHNK.
Great to have you back.
Speaker 3 (02:51):
Thank you, it's great to be here. And congratulations on
the new book. I look forward as I'm diving into
the first chapter, I look forward to finish reading it.
You like it, Ovar, yes, and for those of us
who advocate free speech and balance, it's a great thing.
So so anyway, but congratulations on that.
Speaker 1 (03:09):
And uh so let's talk about some of the polling
data here. Now, you you still pull for the Trump campaign.
Speaker 3 (03:15):
Right right right, which is why I want your book
to al sell Ron DeSantis's books.
Speaker 1 (03:21):
Well, you get out there and start selling. John. So,
here's the thing. Now that Ron DeSantis has jumped into
the race officially, does that automatically boost his poll numbers?
Speaker 3 (03:37):
No, because it's it's a I mean, ever since election
day last year, he's been running and this is not
a surprise to anyone. And uh he's been on a
national book tour, he's been giving speeches, he's visited the
early swing states, he's positioned his legislative agenda in uh,
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you know, in Florida to position that he's be a
good governor and he wants to do for America what
he's done for Florida. And in the process, I mean
granted full disclosure, I worked for President Trump and we
published a national poll and in January it was close,
I mean where Trump was leading a multi candidate field
in the primary forty three percent to Santus thirty one
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Pence at five everybody else single digits and one on
one against Ron de Santas. Trump was leading fifty two
to forty. But then Donald Trump, a lot of people
weren't sure he was running, and all of a sudden,
he's out there and he's going to the Early States.
He went to North New Hampshire, went to South Carolina,
he went to East Palestine. When nobody cared, when Joe
Biden didn't show up. He was out there taking care
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of the workingmen and women of America. And so he's
been out their campaign and guess what, Biden Bragg decide
to indict him, and they indict him and his poll
numbers go up.
Speaker 1 (04:51):
This is the New York Manhattan District attorney who brought
this rather absurd indictment against Trump that failed to even
state an underlying crime, probably because none actually exists in
the law. It seems to me that people see this
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for what it is, what effect did that indictment itself
have on Trump's poll numbers?
Speaker 2 (05:17):
Right?
Speaker 3 (05:18):
And that's what I was getting at right now where
Donald Trump and the multi candidate field. In our last
national poll which we've put out at the beginning of
the month, Trump was leading fifty two percent of the vote,
so he's gone up significantly. DeSantis's vote was cut in
half to sixteen. And then you had Mike Pence at six,
and you had vivid Ramaswami at four and Nikki halleot
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four and one on one against DeSantis. Trump was leading
now sixty seven to twenty six. He's getting two thirds
of the national Republican price was going up. Yes, And
in Iowa, we did a survey that the Trump campaign
put out where in Iowa among likely caucus goers, Trump
was leading fifty four to twenty. So you've had this
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situation where you know Desinas was coming in saying, oh,
Trump can't win again and I can win well. The
national polls since ever since Biden surrendered in Afghanistan, Trump's
been leading in the national polls one thousand likely voters.
We have Trump beating Joe Biden forty seven to forty three.
We never saw that in twenty sixteen for Trump, we
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never saw it in twenty twenty. Both those races were
races where we were losing the national popular vote but
playing to win the battleground states. Now, in twenty sixteen,
we won the battleground states by seventy eight thousand votes
in three states, forty four thousand in Pennsylvania, twenty two
thousand in Wisconsin, ten thousand in Michigan. Got an electoral majority.
In twenty twenty, out of the one hundred and sixty
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million votes cast we lost. We lost Wisconsin by twenty
thousand votes. We lost Arizona by eleven thousand votes, in
Georgia by like ten thousand votes, So it was forty
four thousand votes for Rofflet. Now we're leading in the
national popular vote, not just my polls, but in the
real clear politics average of media polls that were often contesting.
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They've got Trump leading Biden by a point and a half.
And you've got polls there like the Washington Post, ABC
Trump up seven over Biden. You've got Rastbuster reports, Trump
over seven, up seven over Biden over Biden overbarked Harvard Harris,
which is conducted by Mark Penn. Hillary Clinton's pollster, Trump's
leading by six points among registered vote seven points, and
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so so and the economist you go of, they've got
us up to So the premise for DeSantis running that
I can win and I can be Trump without being Trump,
and I can win when he can't. That's not true.
And there's some fake polls that the that the uh
never Trumps were putting out that some of the Disanta's
people they were either skewed or they'd never put out
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the top line or the methodology or the question. There's
no transparency because I'm sure this people at the Desanta
super pac who are waiting for the bank wires to
come in with one hundred million dollars so they can
spend that. But Donald Trump, you know, since January, has
been on fire in the polls. And if there was
an election today, Trump would be Biden in a landslide, right,
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and Trump is the way ahead of the Republican.
Speaker 1 (08:18):
So it was just yesterday I think I saw her,
Maybe it was today. I saw it on one of
the networks, cable networks. Oh, Trump would lose to Biden,
but Dessanta's would narrowly beat by Biden. Are those Is
that an outlier poll.
Speaker 3 (08:34):
When you look at those polls, and Matt Kittle's written
about it for the Star Network, etc. When you look
at those polls and compare it to the twenty twenty
exit polls, the models, there's too many educated voters. They're
either short Republicans or short conservatives. And not that education
is a bad thing, but if you put more college people,
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college educated voters in there and less working class voters
where Trump wins big among the working men and women,
then you're skewing the polls towards Biden away from Trump.
And so they did that where you say, hey, this poll,
the demographics are skewed. So they're doing this to manufacture
a poll that says Trump can't win into santus Ken
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and it's not a reflection of the actual models of
a likely presidential turnout in those in those battleground states.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
So, John, if Trump's poll numbers actually went up, I
think there was sort of a backlash against the Alvin
Bragg indictment against him, as I say, pretty clearly politically motivated.
You've got potentially some other legal actions against Trump. You've got,
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you know, in Fulton County, Georgia. If Anny willis the
District Attorney seems bounded determined to do exactly what Bragg did.
She campaign on the promise of getting Trump, and you
know she tried to rig a special grand jury and
then had to go to a regular grand jury. And
sometime this summer, it's been reported there'll be yet another indictment.
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You've got Jack Smith, the Special Council looking into January sixth,
as well as the mar A Lago documents in the
FBI raid, where you have essentially the Attorney General trying
to criminalize a civil statute, which is ludicrous in my judgment.
Speaker 2 (10:30):
As a lawyer.
Speaker 1 (10:32):
But what if those come to fruition.
Speaker 3 (10:34):
We'll continue to go up. Because if you don't think
Donald Trump's ahead in the polls right now, just look
at those prosecutions coming from Biden and his political allies.
I mean they are I mean, when we ask voters
on April first, that we did a brushfire poll for
the Trump campaign, and when we ask them that is
there a double standard of justice where the Biden family
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escapes investigation and Trump is charged? Thirty three percent of
all voters in the United States agreed with us, and
have they has Biden weaponized the justice system? To prosecute
their political opponents. Forty eight percent agree, thirty nine disagree. Basically,
the voters say that the country's on the wrong track
seventy one percent sixty nine percent going backwards, but they
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see this as a prosecution to stop Trump right from
running from running and winning for president again.
Speaker 1 (11:26):
All right, I want to take a quick break when
we come back. I want to delve into the impact
of the Biden family corruption scandals, and in particular, and
I've long written that Biden appears to be in the
pocket of the Chinese Communist Party by virtue of the
millions of dollars that have flowed into Biden bank accounts.
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I want to get your input on what Americans think
of that. My guest is John McLaughlin of McLaughlin Associates,
one of the best pollsters in America. I'm Greg Jarrett
filling in for Sean Hannity. This is the Sean Hannity Show.
I'll be right back in just a moment. Welcome back
to the Sean Hannity Show. I'm Greg Jarrett filling in
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for Sean. My new book comes out in just a
few days. Trial of the Century. It'll be in bookstores
nationwide beginning on Tuesday, but you can go online and
order it presale right now. My guest we're continuing our
discussion is John McLachlin of McLaughlin Associates, one of the
best polling groups in America. If you judge accuracy, his
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record is pretty darn close to perfect. John, welcome back.
We were talking about Joe Biden and the impact of
the corruption scandals notably elevated by the House Oversight Committee
and Judiciary Committee hearings that have been held. You know,
ten million dollars flow going through twenty LLCs and shell
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companies into the Biden family coffers. Are Americans following this
Does it impact their vote? No?
Speaker 3 (13:12):
And yes, I mean the media. They've stopped covering the
Biden administration. They're too busy covering up for the Biden administration.
Where we found in our poll that was done nationwide,
was released on May first, eighty two percent of all
voters are aware that Manhattan da Alvian Bragan died of
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President Trump and it merely makes no difference in the
votes because everybody knows. In the meantime, only fifty four
percent of the voters in that same poll we're aware
that the Chinese have funneled millions to the Biden family.
And if they're in the fifty four percent that's aware
that they vote for Trump sixty percent to thirty percent.
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If they're in the forty six percent that are not
aware about the Chinese money to the Biden family, they
vote for Biden fifty eight to thirty three. So you've
got this huge fifty five point swing based on media censorship,
where if the media doesn't put this out, the voters
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don't know. Just look at the fact that remember the
chairman of the House Committee, Comer, was telling the Biden
Justice Department, don't indict Hunter until after we released the
evidence and the information on Wednesday of that rank. Guess
what the Justice Department did on Wednesday. They indicted George
Santos the same day. It eclipsed the Biden family and
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Comber out of the headlines on TV except for Fox
News and Newsmax, nobody covered it. They all covered Santos,
The newspapers covered Santos. And so you've got this, You know,
you've got this huge scandal, a historic scandal that most
voters who don't know about vote for Biden, and the
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ones that do vote for Trump.
Speaker 1 (15:02):
Yeah, I mean, all you have to do is listen
to the whistleblowers who say both the FBI and the
Department of Justice are running a protection racket for Joe Biden,
which is why, after five years of an investigation by
a US attorney, there have been no charges against Hunter Biden,
principally in my judgment, because to indict Hunter Biden implicates
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Joe Biden as an active participant in his multi million
dollars schemes. You're talking about, you know, thirty one thirty
one million dollars from the Chinese, about forty million from
the Russia, eleven million from Ukraine. I mean in a
city Washington, d C. Where it is a cottage industry,
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influence pedaling and money making off of it. The Bidens
have taken it to dizzine Heights. So you know, unfortunately
we're out of time, John, But the bottom line seems
to be it's going to be up to Congress to
continue their investigation, and it's going to be up to
honest members of the media to report the compelling, overwhelming
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evidence of corruption and influence peddling. My guest has been
John McLachlin of McLaughlin associates, one of the best posters. John,
Thanks so much for being with us. I'm so glad
you're enjoying the first chapter of my new book, The
Trial of the Century. It's out next Tuesday and bookstores nationwide.
You can order it online right now at the usual
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places Amazon dot com, Barnesandnoble dot com. I'm Greg Jarrett.
Will be right back with more of The Sean Hennity Show,
keeping Uncle Sam accountable to you every day Hannity is on.
Welcome back to the Sean Hennity Show on Greg Jarrett
filling in for Sean Hannity. You can follow me on
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Twitter at Greg Jarrett. You can read my legal columns
and listen to my podcast The Brief at Thegreg Jarrett
dot com and by the way, you can also click
on there and buy My new book comes out in
just a few days. It's called The Trial of the Century,
about the famous Scopes monkey trial. And but for that trial,
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I wonder where America would be today. Our cherished free
speech rights were rescued and solidified by that historic trial.
Incredibly dramatic, with a climactic moment. The New York Times
called it the most amazing court scene in Anglo sexon history. Well,
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let's talk a little bit about the Durham Report, which
of course came out recently, three hundred and six page report.
The bottom line it confirms FBI corruption. You know, it's
really incredible how Democrats are now saying of the Durham Report,
nothing to see here. Let's move along. Joining me now
to talk about it is my friend David Shawn, former
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President Trump lead council during the impeachment trial, criminal defense
attorney and civil liberties attorney, who, by the way, on
a side note, knows all about the trial of the century,
the Scopes Monkey Trial. So David, welcome to the show.
I'll have to ask you about that a bit later on,
but let's get now to what has been said by
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Democrats about the Durham Report. It's really, to me pretty shocking,
but when you think about it, predictable.
Speaker 4 (18:33):
Well, thanks very much for having me, But I have
to say first what you left out of your introduction
is that all mister Durham had to do, apparently was
read your earlier book, The russ Oaks. You know, you
called it well before the Durham Report did five years ago, right,
and it tracks your book almost exactly, except that you
had more and better detail.
Speaker 2 (18:52):
Quite frankly, thank you anyway. Yeah, listen, I.
Speaker 4 (18:56):
Think there for me at least, the Durham Report is
sort of too too late, but it is still an
absolutely vitally important document for people to know and understand.
And you know, you raise the issue now of the
Democratic response to it. I hope it's not the entire
Democratic Party, as you know, I represented the Democratic Party
last year, and I think other people within the party
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feel differently if they're not saying so. But you have
people like Shift and Swallwell speaking publicly about it, dismissing
it as something you know, no more than a process
foul Swallowell said, and so on, and Shifts still talking
about Russian collusion, except he has the characters wrong. He
has still talking about Russian collusion President Trump instead of
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with Hillary Clinton.
Speaker 2 (19:42):
It's shocking. It's disappointing.
Speaker 4 (19:44):
I suppose it shouldn't be shocking at this point, but
it's a complete disgrace if after all of this, if
it's nothing else, the report at least demonstrates the use
of political a partisan political agenda and funds to drive
a government investigation. The use of the most intrusive surveillance
techniques ever that we have in our government, false applications
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to get those surveillance techniques, all to support a partisan
political agenda Hillary Clinton campaign, you know, And.
Speaker 1 (20:12):
It wasn't just Schiff and Eric swallall the usual suspects,
infamous and nefarious, notorious individuals that they are. But of course,
now you know, Jamie Raskin, the congressman, has jumped in
and he said, and I'll quote, nobody takes Durham's reports seriously. Well, frankly,
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nobody takes Jamie Raskin seriously, you know, I mean, he
is such a hyper partisan. Then he went on to say, oh,
there's nothing in that report that undermines our faith in
the FBI. Are you kidding me? The entire report is
chock full of evidence that is meticulously documented in records
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and testimony and so forth, that completely you know, requires
Americans to look at the FBI and say they are corrupt,
the top echelons of the FBI. And it's gotten no
better under Christopher Ray, has it.
Speaker 2 (21:14):
No, it doesn't seem to listen.
Speaker 4 (21:15):
I've said many times my father was a very proud
FBI agent. I've loved the FBI agent since I was
a little kid. I have a lot of mementos from
those times and so on. This is not that FBI.
It's a shame. You have some absolutely fabulous special agents
in the field dedicated to the purpose of the true
purpose of the FBI. This makes them look terrible. Leadership
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has really let us down. But Jamie Raskin and folks
like him, unfortunately do such a disservice to the country.
There's nothing wrong with calling it what it is today.
In fact, there's everything right about it. It's the only
way we're going to cure the ills we can't have
in this country. We cannot have a system in which
we can't depend on the Justice Department to be honest
or the FBI to be honest. Their task is too important,
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and when the public loses faith and they lose credibility,
we're in big trouble.
Speaker 1 (22:06):
You know, I will, in all fairness because most of
the media has taken the opinion of we're not going
to report on the Durham report there's nothing there, or
they've simply said, you know, as Andrew Weisman said, it's
a big fat nothing. But I'll give a shout out
to Jake Tapper, who said this is really serious and disturbing,
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and Chuck Todd over at NBC, who said, you know,
this is so alarming it requires now a brand new
Church Commission to try to buy law fix the FBI.
The Church Commission famously in the nineteen seventies found so
much corruption with in the FBI they enacted new laws
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to rein in the FBI. So, I mean, there are
some clarion voices out there, but most in the media.
And you know, I brought up Andrew Weisman. I had
to laugh when he, you know, took to the airways
on MSNBC and I think he was MSNBC and said,
it's a big fat nothing, my lord. The Durham Report
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false Weissman and others in the Mueller investigation for turning
a blind eye to what Hillary Clinton had done in
inventing the hoax.
Speaker 4 (23:33):
Yeah, well, I mean Weissman has to say this, doesn't
it because he's really at the heart of this. We've
talked about him for a long time. I've said before
and I say it again and will always mean it.
I suppose is the most unethical and most ethically bankrupt
prosecutor I have ever encountered, and I have encountered him
in a very serious case in New York.
Speaker 2 (23:52):
He you know, he's at the heart of this problem.
Speaker 4 (23:55):
But I suppose what's really at the root of the
problem was originally picking only political parts for the Mother
Investigation or for the January sixth Committee.
Speaker 2 (24:03):
This undermines our processes.
Speaker 4 (24:05):
In this country. We can't do that anymore. You know,
you're right, credit to Jake Tapper, But look what happened
to him after he said it. People calling for his
resignation and their outrage, and CNN would put out such
a product. You have to give c Ann great credit,
I thing for at least putting them on and having
him say that. I found it embarrassing that I was
called by some shows originally to do a thing on
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the Durham Report. Then they said, well, we're only going
to cover it a little bit, so I didn't do that.
Speaker 2 (24:30):
But then I had to go.
Speaker 4 (24:32):
I went to British Television, British Television, yeah, to do
a more full analysis of the report and all that.
Speaker 2 (24:38):
You know, it makes a mockery of our system.
Speaker 1 (24:41):
It really does. The other person who really comes out
with a you know, an ugly black eye is the vain,
glorious James Comey, who by the way, refused to cooperate
with the Durham investigation, now publicly claims to be suffering
total amnesia. I don't remember anything, you know, which is
a curious affliction since the Special Council's report. The Durham
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Report reveals that he demanded and receives quote unquote daily
briefings on what turned out to be the Russia hoax,
and then of course fantasily lied to the Feis accord
to spy on Carter Page and the Trump campaign, you know,
vouching for the credibility of you know, a guy Christopher Steel,
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the Expertish spy who composed the Phonny dossier, vouched for
his credibility without telling a court. Oh, by the way,
we fired him for lying. He was our confidential informa.
We found out he was lying, so we fired him.
They withheld that from the court, and then you know,
they insisted to the court and the judges that, oh,
you know, the dossier, it's it's totally accurate and true,
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when in fact they owed already debunked it. They knew
it was bogus. So James Comy more than anybody else.
Has utterly destroyed the good name and reputation of the FBI,
hasn't he.
Speaker 4 (26:04):
Yeah, I mean, looks at you've written and spoken about
him for years now, literally and you've had it right on.
Speaker 2 (26:10):
I happen to think that the one of the.
Speaker 4 (26:12):
Most important things in the Durham Report is the confirmation
if it needed it.
Speaker 2 (26:17):
But I suppose it did need it.
Speaker 4 (26:18):
Once again, of these lawes in the PI omissions and
lies in the FIS applications, it's a very very very serious.
Speaker 2 (26:26):
Violation again for the public.
Speaker 4 (26:28):
I mean, these are the This is a court that permits,
if it's satisfied by the showing made for it, the
most intrusive surveillance techniques known in the world, based on
the sworn affidavits by the people making the application of
the Justice Department making the application. It has a rule
Rule thirteen of the Court requires that any material omission
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or misstatement be corrected after the fact. As far as
I know, they still have never corrected the omissions and
the misstatements in their applications. It's a very very serious
transmission and it puts everyone's privacy at risk.
Speaker 1 (27:04):
David Showan is my guest he's going to stick around
for another segment. Former President Trump lead council during the
impeachment trial. You should know about him. He's a well
known civil liberties attorney who has often represented Democrats. So
in my judgment, David Shan is one of the most
fair and objective.
Speaker 2 (27:20):
People I know.
Speaker 1 (27:20):
David also read my didn't read my book yet because
I'm going to send it to him, but he knows
all about the Scopes Monkey trial. The Trial of the Century,
the title of my new book coming out in just
a few days. David, stick around. I want to ask
you about this Scopes trial. We'll be right back. I'm
Greg Jared filling in for Sewn on the Sean Hannity Show.
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Welcome back to the Sean Hannity Show. I'm Greg Jarrett
filling in for Sean Hannity. My guest is David Shawan,
a well known civil liberties attorney. And David, thanks for
sticking around. You know the Scopes Monkey trial in nineteen
twenty five written a brand new book comes out in
a few days called Trial of the Century about that
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important trial, and it helped to establish the cherished free
speech principles and civil liberties which Americans enjoy today. It
is as relevant now as it was nearly one hundred
years ago. One of the reasons I wrote the book
is because a lot of people don't know about that trial,
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especially young people who have never been taught about that
pivotal trial in history class. But you know about it, David, I.
Speaker 4 (28:38):
Don't know as much as you know in a is
going to be revealed in your book, and that's why
I intend to buy the book right away. But listen,
you know William Jennings Bryant was a seminal figure as
a speaker, as an influencer of opinion in the country
at that time that people don't know about him either.
These were very, very telling times in this country. Things
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could have gone their way and that would have shaped
the direction of the country. That's why I assume you
call the Trial of the Century. I think that's accurate.
Speaker 2 (29:06):
Quite frankly, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (29:07):
It really is. You know, America was on the precipice
at this point in time, and the fundamentalist movement was
so strong, such religious fervor that led by William Jennings Bryant,
who was a three time presidential nominee for the Democrats,
was able to pressure states into banning books on evolution.
Think about that, a cornerstone theory in science that you know,
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all of science relies on. And you know, in Tennessee
they passed a law thanks to Brant, that actually criminalized
the teaching of evolution in public schools. Now, mind you,
the textbooks approved of the state have a chapter on evolution,
and yet they made it a crime for a teacher
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to teach from the textbook. It's okay for the students
to read it, but a teacher dare not utter the
word evolution. And the client room and John Scopes, this
young twenty five year old, amiable, likable biology substitute teacher,
taught evolution straight from the textbook, basically reading from the textbook.
He was promptly arrested, handcuffed, and shoved off to the
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huscal And the greatest attorney who ever lived, my idol,
Clarence Darrow, was so incensed he volunteered to defend the Scopes,
But he was really defending academic autonomy in intellectual empowerment,
free speech, and civil liberties. And you know the climactic
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moment where he cross examines William Jennings Bryant utterly destroyed Bryant,
and he died five days later, still in Dayton, Tennessee,
just down the street from the courthouse. He laid down
to take a nap and he never woke up. He
was utterly destroyed. I got about thirty seconds left. But
you know, put a period on the end of that, David.
Speaker 4 (31:00):
I mean, that is a fabulous description of so much
about the Scopes Monkey Trial. Quite from American history during
that period, but it resonates today though, because we.
Speaker 2 (31:09):
See, you know, this kind of thing going on. Part
of the reason, you know.
Speaker 4 (31:12):
The position Brian Jenny William Jenny Bryant took was so
powerful is because he was such a powerful orator. But
you're right, Darrow destroyed him. Darrow is also my hero.
But I think everyone has to read it to consider
what's going on today. I just heard a graduation speaker
talk about the danger of book bannings and all that.
But I think, quite frankly, you know, we're seeing things
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on the other side now. We're seeing words that can't
be used and subjects that can't be taught because of
certain sensitivities. Yes, we need to be sensitive, but we
need to have all of these things out there we
need Darrow today, but you got to read this book.
Speaker 2 (31:49):
I really can't wait.
Speaker 4 (31:50):
You brought tills to me as a lawyer, but as
an American, I think just describing that period and what
happened during the course of the trial.
Speaker 1 (31:56):
David Shoan, Civil Liberty's attorney, thank you so much for
being our.
Speaker 2 (32:00):
Thanks so much.
Speaker 1 (32:01):
Coming up next, I'll be talking with Peter Schweitzer and
Eric Eggers. They're gonna be stopping by to talk about
the Clintons and what the FBI learned from them. We'll
be right back. I'm Greg Jared filling in for Sean
on The Sean Hannity Show.
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not entitled to it. That's an individuation of mister Allen.
Mister these individuals have been determined not to be whistle blowers.
These are not whistleblowers. They've been determined by the agency
not to be whistleblowers. And I'm proud of the progress
my administration has made. We reduced the deficit in the
first two years by one point seven trillion dollars in
the first two years. I wish we could have just
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a normal human being as president.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
That's what I want to afredom is that style. Welcome
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Coming to your site, going the way against us and
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You can read my legal columns and other articles on
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a new book coming out in just a few days.
It's called Trial of the Century, about a pivotal moment
in America where our cherish free speech rights were hanging
in the balance. America stood at the precipice. And you
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jarrett dot com slash book. You can click on there
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until Tuesday when the book comes out. All right, big
news this week, lots of different topics, but politically or electorally,
(02:15):
we now have Ron DeSantis who has jumped into the
presidential sweep stakes on the Republican side, joining Tim Scott,
Nikki Haley, Vivik Ramaswami, and of course Donald Trump. Depending
upon the poll you're looking at, Trump appears to be
substantially ahead, which is why my guest now joins me,
(02:38):
John McLaughlin. Our listeners, No, John, he's the head of
McLaughlin Associates, a premiere polling group in America and JOHNK.
Great to have you back.
Speaker 3 (02:51):
Thank you, it's great to be here. And congratulations on
the new book. I look forward as I'm diving into
the first chapter, I look forward to finish reading it.
You like it, Ovar, yes, and for those of us
who advocate free speech and balance, it's a great thing.
So so anyway, but congratulations on that.
Speaker 1 (03:09):
And uh so let's talk about some of the polling
data here. Now, you you still pull for the Trump campaign.
Speaker 3 (03:15):
Right right right, which is why I want your book
to al sell Ron DeSantis's books.
Speaker 1 (03:21):
Well, you get out there and start selling. John. So,
here's the thing. Now that Ron DeSantis has jumped into
the race officially, does that automatically boost his poll numbers?
Speaker 3 (03:37):
No, because it's it's a I mean, ever since election
day last year, he's been running and this is not
a surprise to anyone. And uh he's been on a
national book tour, he's been giving speeches, he's visited the
early swing states, he's positioned his legislative agenda in uh,
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you know, in Florida to position that he's be a
good governor and he wants to do for America what
he's done for Florida. And in the process, I mean
granted full disclosure, I worked for President Trump and we
published a national poll and in January it was close,
I mean where Trump was leading a multi candidate field
in the primary forty three percent to Santus thirty one
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Pence at five everybody else single digits and one on
one against Ron de Santas. Trump was leading fifty two
to forty. But then Donald Trump, a lot of people
weren't sure he was running, and all of a sudden,
he's out there and he's going to the Early States.
He went to North New Hampshire, went to South Carolina,
he went to East Palestine. When nobody cared, when Joe
Biden didn't show up. He was out there taking care
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of the workingmen and women of America. And so he's
been out their campaign and guess what, Biden Bragg decide
to indict him, and they indict him and his poll
numbers go up.
Speaker 1 (04:51):
This is the New York Manhattan District attorney who brought
this rather absurd indictment against Trump that failed to even
state an underlying crime, probably because none actually exists in
the law. It seems to me that people see this
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for what it is, what effect did that indictment itself
have on Trump's poll numbers?
Speaker 2 (05:17):
Right?
Speaker 3 (05:18):
And that's what I was getting at right now where
Donald Trump and the multi candidate field. In our last
national poll which we've put out at the beginning of
the month, Trump was leading fifty two percent of the vote,
so he's gone up significantly. DeSantis's vote was cut in
half to sixteen. And then you had Mike Pence at six,
and you had vivid Ramaswami at four and Nikki halleot
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four and one on one against DeSantis. Trump was leading
now sixty seven to twenty six. He's getting two thirds
of the national Republican price was going up. Yes, And
in Iowa, we did a survey that the Trump campaign
put out where in Iowa among likely caucus goers, Trump
was leading fifty four to twenty. So you've had this
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situation where you know Desinas was coming in saying, oh,
Trump can't win again and I can win well. The
national polls since ever since Biden surrendered in Afghanistan, Trump's
been leading in the national polls one thousand likely voters.
We have Trump beating Joe Biden forty seven to forty three.
We never saw that in twenty sixteen for Trump, we
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never saw it in twenty twenty. Both those races were
races where we were losing the national popular vote but
playing to win the battleground states. Now, in twenty sixteen,
we won the battleground states by seventy eight thousand votes
in three states, forty four thousand in Pennsylvania, twenty two
thousand in Wisconsin, ten thousand in Michigan. Got an electoral majority.
In twenty twenty, out of the one hundred and sixty
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million votes cast we lost. We lost Wisconsin by twenty
thousand votes. We lost Arizona by eleven thousand votes, in
Georgia by like ten thousand votes, So it was forty
four thousand votes for Rofflet. Now we're leading in the
national popular vote, not just my polls, but in the
real clear politics average of media polls that were often contesting.
(07:08):
They've got Trump leading Biden by a point and a half.
And you've got polls there like the Washington Post, ABC
Trump up seven over Biden. You've got Rastbuster reports, Trump
over seven, up seven over Biden over Biden overbarked Harvard Harris,
which is conducted by Mark Penn. Hillary Clinton's pollster, Trump's
leading by six points among registered vote seven points, and
(07:32):
so so and the economist you go of, they've got
us up to So the premise for DeSantis running that
I can win and I can be Trump without being Trump,
and I can win when he can't. That's not true.
And there's some fake polls that the that the uh
never Trumps were putting out that some of the Disanta's
people they were either skewed or they'd never put out
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the top line or the methodology or the question. There's
no transparency because I'm sure this people at the Desanta
super pac who are waiting for the bank wires to
come in with one hundred million dollars so they can
spend that. But Donald Trump, you know, since January, has
been on fire in the polls. And if there was
an election today, Trump would be Biden in a landslide, right,
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and Trump is the way ahead of the Republican.
Speaker 1 (08:18):
So it was just yesterday I think I saw her,
Maybe it was today. I saw it on one of
the networks, cable networks. Oh, Trump would lose to Biden,
but Dessanta's would narrowly beat by Biden. Are those Is
that an outlier poll.
Speaker 3 (08:34):
When you look at those polls, and Matt Kittle's written
about it for the Star Network, etc. When you look
at those polls and compare it to the twenty twenty
exit polls, the models, there's too many educated voters. They're
either short Republicans or short conservatives. And not that education
is a bad thing, but if you put more college people,
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college educated voters in there and less working class voters
where Trump wins big among the working men and women,
then you're skewing the polls towards Biden away from Trump.
And so they did that where you say, hey, this poll,
the demographics are skewed. So they're doing this to manufacture
a poll that says Trump can't win into santus Ken
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and it's not a reflection of the actual models of
a likely presidential turnout in those in those battleground states.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
So, John, if Trump's poll numbers actually went up, I
think there was sort of a backlash against the Alvin
Bragg indictment against him, as I say, pretty clearly politically motivated.
You've got potentially some other legal actions against Trump. You've got,
(09:49):
you know, in Fulton County, Georgia. If Anny willis the
District Attorney seems bounded determined to do exactly what Bragg did.
She campaign on the promise of getting Trump, and you
know she tried to rig a special grand jury and
then had to go to a regular grand jury. And
sometime this summer, it's been reported there'll be yet another indictment.
(10:12):
You've got Jack Smith, the Special Council looking into January sixth,
as well as the mar A Lago documents in the
FBI raid, where you have essentially the Attorney General trying
to criminalize a civil statute, which is ludicrous in my judgment.
Speaker 2 (10:30):
As a lawyer.
Speaker 1 (10:32):
But what if those come to fruition.
Speaker 3 (10:34):
We'll continue to go up. Because if you don't think
Donald Trump's ahead in the polls right now, just look
at those prosecutions coming from Biden and his political allies.
I mean they are I mean, when we ask voters
on April first, that we did a brushfire poll for
the Trump campaign, and when we ask them that is
there a double standard of justice where the Biden family
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escapes investigation and Trump is charged? Thirty three percent of
all voters in the United States agreed with us, and
have they has Biden weaponized the justice system? To prosecute
their political opponents. Forty eight percent agree, thirty nine disagree. Basically,
the voters say that the country's on the wrong track
seventy one percent sixty nine percent going backwards, but they
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see this as a prosecution to stop Trump right from
running from running and winning for president again.
Speaker 1 (11:26):
All right, I want to take a quick break when
we come back. I want to delve into the impact
of the Biden family corruption scandals, and in particular, and
I've long written that Biden appears to be in the
pocket of the Chinese Communist Party by virtue of the
millions of dollars that have flowed into Biden bank accounts.
(11:50):
I want to get your input on what Americans think
of that. My guest is John McLaughlin of McLaughlin Associates,
one of the best pollsters in America. I'm Greg Jarrett
filling in for Sean Hannity. This is the Sean Hannity Show.
I'll be right back in just a moment. Welcome back
to the Sean Hannity Show. I'm Greg Jarrett filling in
(12:12):
for Sean. My new book comes out in just a
few days. Trial of the Century. It'll be in bookstores
nationwide beginning on Tuesday, but you can go online and
order it presale right now. My guest we're continuing our
discussion is John McLachlin of McLaughlin Associates, one of the
best polling groups in America. If you judge accuracy, his
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record is pretty darn close to perfect. John, welcome back.
We were talking about Joe Biden and the impact of
the corruption scandals notably elevated by the House Oversight Committee
and Judiciary Committee hearings that have been held. You know,
ten million dollars flow going through twenty LLCs and shell
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companies into the Biden family coffers. Are Americans following this
Does it impact their vote? No?
Speaker 3 (13:12):
And yes, I mean the media. They've stopped covering the
Biden administration. They're too busy covering up for the Biden administration.
Where we found in our poll that was done nationwide,
was released on May first, eighty two percent of all
voters are aware that Manhattan da Alvian Bragan died of
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President Trump and it merely makes no difference in the
votes because everybody knows. In the meantime, only fifty four
percent of the voters in that same poll we're aware
that the Chinese have funneled millions to the Biden family.
And if they're in the fifty four percent that's aware
that they vote for Trump sixty percent to thirty percent.
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If they're in the forty six percent that are not
aware about the Chinese money to the Biden family, they
vote for Biden fifty eight to thirty three. So you've
got this huge fifty five point swing based on media censorship,
where if the media doesn't put this out, the voters
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don't know. Just look at the fact that remember the
chairman of the House Committee, Comer, was telling the Biden
Justice Department, don't indict Hunter until after we released the
evidence and the information on Wednesday of that rank. Guess
what the Justice Department did on Wednesday. They indicted George
Santos the same day. It eclipsed the Biden family and
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Comber out of the headlines on TV except for Fox
News and Newsmax, nobody covered it. They all covered Santos,
The newspapers covered Santos. And so you've got this, You know,
you've got this huge scandal, a historic scandal that most
voters who don't know about vote for Biden, and the
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ones that do vote for Trump.
Speaker 1 (15:02):
Yeah, I mean, all you have to do is listen
to the whistleblowers who say both the FBI and the
Department of Justice are running a protection racket for Joe Biden,
which is why, after five years of an investigation by
a US attorney, there have been no charges against Hunter Biden,
principally in my judgment, because to indict Hunter Biden implicates
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Joe Biden as an active participant in his multi million
dollars schemes. You're talking about, you know, thirty one thirty
one million dollars from the Chinese, about forty million from
the Russia, eleven million from Ukraine. I mean in a
city Washington, d C. Where it is a cottage industry,
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influence pedaling and money making off of it. The Bidens
have taken it to dizzine Heights. So you know, unfortunately
we're out of time, John, But the bottom line seems
to be it's going to be up to Congress to
continue their investigation, and it's going to be up to
honest members of the media to report the compelling, overwhelming
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evidence of corruption and influence peddling. My guest has been
John McLachlin of McLaughlin associates, one of the best posters. John,
Thanks so much for being with us. I'm so glad
you're enjoying the first chapter of my new book, The
Trial of the Century. It's out next Tuesday and bookstores nationwide.
You can order it online right now at the usual
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places Amazon dot com, Barnesandnoble dot com. I'm Greg Jarrett.
Will be right back with more of The Sean Hennity Show,
keeping Uncle Sam accountable to you every day Hannity is on.
Welcome back to the Sean Hennity Show on Greg Jarrett
filling in for Sean Hannity. You can follow me on
(16:55):
Twitter at Greg Jarrett. You can read my legal columns
and listen to my podcast The Brief at Thegreg Jarrett
dot com and by the way, you can also click
on there and buy My new book comes out in
just a few days. It's called The Trial of the Century,
about the famous Scopes monkey trial. And but for that trial,
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I wonder where America would be today. Our cherished free
speech rights were rescued and solidified by that historic trial.
Incredibly dramatic, with a climactic moment. The New York Times
called it the most amazing court scene in Anglo sexon history. Well,
(17:39):
let's talk a little bit about the Durham Report, which
of course came out recently, three hundred and six page report.
The bottom line it confirms FBI corruption. You know, it's
really incredible how Democrats are now saying of the Durham Report,
nothing to see here. Let's move along. Joining me now
to talk about it is my friend David Shawn, former
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President Trump lead council during the impeachment trial, criminal defense
attorney and civil liberties attorney, who, by the way, on
a side note, knows all about the trial of the century,
the Scopes Monkey Trial. So David, welcome to the show.
I'll have to ask you about that a bit later on,
but let's get now to what has been said by
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Democrats about the Durham Report. It's really, to me pretty shocking,
but when you think about it, predictable.
Speaker 4 (18:33):
Well, thanks very much for having me, But I have
to say first what you left out of your introduction
is that all mister Durham had to do, apparently was
read your earlier book, The russ Oaks. You know, you
called it well before the Durham Report did five years ago, right,
and it tracks your book almost exactly, except that you
had more and better detail.
Speaker 2 (18:52):
Quite frankly, thank you anyway. Yeah, listen, I.
Speaker 4 (18:56):
Think there for me at least, the Durham Report is
sort of too too late, but it is still an
absolutely vitally important document for people to know and understand.
And you know, you raise the issue now of the
Democratic response to it. I hope it's not the entire
Democratic Party, as you know, I represented the Democratic Party
last year, and I think other people within the party
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feel differently if they're not saying so. But you have
people like Shift and Swallwell speaking publicly about it, dismissing
it as something you know, no more than a process
foul Swallowell said, and so on, and Shifts still talking
about Russian collusion, except he has the characters wrong. He
has still talking about Russian collusion President Trump instead of
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with Hillary Clinton.
Speaker 2 (19:42):
It's shocking. It's disappointing.
Speaker 4 (19:44):
I suppose it shouldn't be shocking at this point, but
it's a complete disgrace if after all of this, if
it's nothing else, the report at least demonstrates the use
of political a partisan political agenda and funds to drive
a government investigation. The use of the most intrusive surveillance
techniques ever that we have in our government, false applications
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to get those surveillance techniques, all to support a partisan
political agenda Hillary Clinton campaign, you know, And.
Speaker 1 (20:12):
It wasn't just Schiff and Eric swallall the usual suspects,
infamous and nefarious, notorious individuals that they are. But of course,
now you know, Jamie Raskin, the congressman, has jumped in
and he said, and I'll quote, nobody takes Durham's reports seriously. Well, frankly,
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nobody takes Jamie Raskin seriously, you know, I mean, he
is such a hyper partisan. Then he went on to say, oh,
there's nothing in that report that undermines our faith in
the FBI. Are you kidding me? The entire report is
chock full of evidence that is meticulously documented in records
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and testimony and so forth, that completely you know, requires
Americans to look at the FBI and say they are corrupt,
the top echelons of the FBI. And it's gotten no
better under Christopher Ray, has it.
Speaker 2 (21:14):
No, it doesn't seem to listen.
Speaker 4 (21:15):
I've said many times my father was a very proud
FBI agent. I've loved the FBI agent since I was
a little kid. I have a lot of mementos from
those times and so on. This is not that FBI.
It's a shame. You have some absolutely fabulous special agents
in the field dedicated to the purpose of the true
purpose of the FBI. This makes them look terrible. Leadership
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has really let us down. But Jamie Raskin and folks
like him, unfortunately do such a disservice to the country.
There's nothing wrong with calling it what it is today.
In fact, there's everything right about it. It's the only
way we're going to cure the ills we can't have
in this country. We cannot have a system in which
we can't depend on the Justice Department to be honest
or the FBI to be honest. Their task is too important,
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and when the public loses faith and they lose credibility,
we're in big trouble.
Speaker 1 (22:06):
You know, I will, in all fairness because most of
the media has taken the opinion of we're not going
to report on the Durham report there's nothing there, or
they've simply said, you know, as Andrew Weisman said, it's
a big fat nothing. But I'll give a shout out
to Jake Tapper, who said this is really serious and disturbing,
(22:33):
and Chuck Todd over at NBC, who said, you know,
this is so alarming it requires now a brand new
Church Commission to try to buy law fix the FBI.
The Church Commission famously in the nineteen seventies found so
much corruption with in the FBI they enacted new laws
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to rein in the FBI. So, I mean, there are
some clarion voices out there, but most in the media.
And you know, I brought up Andrew Weisman. I had
to laugh when he, you know, took to the airways
on MSNBC and I think he was MSNBC and said,
it's a big fat nothing, my lord. The Durham Report
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false Weissman and others in the Mueller investigation for turning
a blind eye to what Hillary Clinton had done in
inventing the hoax.
Speaker 4 (23:33):
Yeah, well, I mean Weissman has to say this, doesn't
it because he's really at the heart of this. We've
talked about him for a long time. I've said before
and I say it again and will always mean it.
I suppose is the most unethical and most ethically bankrupt
prosecutor I have ever encountered, and I have encountered him
in a very serious case in New York.
Speaker 2 (23:52):
He you know, he's at the heart of this problem.
Speaker 4 (23:55):
But I suppose what's really at the root of the
problem was originally picking only political parts for the Mother
Investigation or for the January sixth Committee.
Speaker 2 (24:03):
This undermines our processes.
Speaker 4 (24:05):
In this country. We can't do that anymore. You know,
you're right, credit to Jake Tapper, But look what happened
to him after he said it. People calling for his
resignation and their outrage, and CNN would put out such
a product. You have to give c Ann great credit,
I thing for at least putting them on and having
him say that. I found it embarrassing that I was
called by some shows originally to do a thing on
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the Durham Report. Then they said, well, we're only going
to cover it a little bit, so I didn't do that.
Speaker 2 (24:30):
But then I had to go.
Speaker 4 (24:32):
I went to British Television, British Television, yeah, to do
a more full analysis of the report and all that.
Speaker 2 (24:38):
You know, it makes a mockery of our system.
Speaker 1 (24:41):
It really does. The other person who really comes out
with a you know, an ugly black eye is the vain,
glorious James Comey, who by the way, refused to cooperate
with the Durham investigation, now publicly claims to be suffering
total amnesia. I don't remember anything, you know, which is
a curious affliction since the Special Council's report. The Durham
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Report reveals that he demanded and receives quote unquote daily
briefings on what turned out to be the Russia hoax,
and then of course fantasily lied to the Feis accord
to spy on Carter Page and the Trump campaign, you know,
vouching for the credibility of you know, a guy Christopher Steel,
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the Expertish spy who composed the Phonny dossier, vouched for
his credibility without telling a court. Oh, by the way,
we fired him for lying. He was our confidential informa.
We found out he was lying, so we fired him.
They withheld that from the court, and then you know,
they insisted to the court and the judges that, oh,
you know, the dossier, it's it's totally accurate and true,
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when in fact they owed already debunked it. They knew
it was bogus. So James Comy more than anybody else.
Has utterly destroyed the good name and reputation of the FBI,
hasn't he.
Speaker 4 (26:04):
Yeah, I mean, looks at you've written and spoken about
him for years now, literally and you've had it right on.
Speaker 2 (26:10):
I happen to think that the one of the.
Speaker 4 (26:12):
Most important things in the Durham Report is the confirmation
if it needed it.
Speaker 2 (26:17):
But I suppose it did need it.
Speaker 4 (26:18):
Once again, of these lawes in the PI omissions and
lies in the FIS applications, it's a very very very serious.
Speaker 2 (26:26):
Violation again for the public.
Speaker 4 (26:28):
I mean, these are the This is a court that permits,
if it's satisfied by the showing made for it, the
most intrusive surveillance techniques known in the world, based on
the sworn affidavits by the people making the application of
the Justice Department making the application. It has a rule
Rule thirteen of the Court requires that any material omission
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or misstatement be corrected after the fact. As far as
I know, they still have never corrected the omissions and
the misstatements in their applications. It's a very very serious
transmission and it puts everyone's privacy at risk.
Speaker 1 (27:04):
David Showan is my guest he's going to stick around
for another segment. Former President Trump lead council during the
impeachment trial. You should know about him. He's a well
known civil liberties attorney who has often represented Democrats. So
in my judgment, David Shan is one of the most
fair and objective.
Speaker 2 (27:20):
People I know.
Speaker 1 (27:20):
David also read my didn't read my book yet because
I'm going to send it to him, but he knows
all about the Scopes Monkey trial. The Trial of the Century,
the title of my new book coming out in just
a few days. David, stick around. I want to ask
you about this Scopes trial. We'll be right back. I'm
Greg Jared filling in for Sewn on the Sean Hannity Show.
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Welcome back to the Sean Hannity Show. I'm Greg Jarrett
filling in for Sean Hannity. My guest is David Shawan,
a well known civil liberties attorney. And David, thanks for
sticking around. You know the Scopes Monkey trial in nineteen
twenty five written a brand new book comes out in
a few days called Trial of the Century about that
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important trial, and it helped to establish the cherished free
speech principles and civil liberties which Americans enjoy today. It
is as relevant now as it was nearly one hundred
years ago. One of the reasons I wrote the book
is because a lot of people don't know about that trial,
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especially young people who have never been taught about that
pivotal trial in history class. But you know about it, David, I.
Speaker 4 (28:38):
Don't know as much as you know in a is
going to be revealed in your book, and that's why
I intend to buy the book right away. But listen,
you know William Jennings Bryant was a seminal figure as
a speaker, as an influencer of opinion in the country
at that time that people don't know about him either.
These were very, very telling times in this country. Things
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could have gone their way and that would have shaped
the direction of the country. That's why I assume you
call the Trial of the Century. I think that's accurate.
Speaker 2 (29:06):
Quite frankly, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (29:07):
It really is. You know, America was on the precipice
at this point in time, and the fundamentalist movement was
so strong, such religious fervor that led by William Jennings Bryant,
who was a three time presidential nominee for the Democrats,
was able to pressure states into banning books on evolution.
Think about that, a cornerstone theory in science that you know,
(29:31):
all of science relies on. And you know, in Tennessee
they passed a law thanks to Brant, that actually criminalized
the teaching of evolution in public schools. Now, mind you,
the textbooks approved of the state have a chapter on evolution,
and yet they made it a crime for a teacher
(29:53):
to teach from the textbook. It's okay for the students
to read it, but a teacher dare not utter the
word evolution. And the client room and John Scopes, this
young twenty five year old, amiable, likable biology substitute teacher,
taught evolution straight from the textbook, basically reading from the textbook.
He was promptly arrested, handcuffed, and shoved off to the
(30:16):
huscal And the greatest attorney who ever lived, my idol,
Clarence Darrow, was so incensed he volunteered to defend the Scopes,
But he was really defending academic autonomy in intellectual empowerment,
free speech, and civil liberties. And you know the climactic
(30:37):
moment where he cross examines William Jennings Bryant utterly destroyed Bryant,
and he died five days later, still in Dayton, Tennessee,
just down the street from the courthouse. He laid down
to take a nap and he never woke up. He
was utterly destroyed. I got about thirty seconds left. But
you know, put a period on the end of that, David.
Speaker 4 (31:00):
I mean, that is a fabulous description of so much
about the Scopes Monkey Trial. Quite from American history during
that period, but it resonates today though, because we.
Speaker 2 (31:09):
See, you know, this kind of thing going on. Part
of the reason, you know.
Speaker 4 (31:12):
The position Brian Jenny William Jenny Bryant took was so
powerful is because he was such a powerful orator. But
you're right, Darrow destroyed him. Darrow is also my hero.
But I think everyone has to read it to consider
what's going on today. I just heard a graduation speaker
talk about the danger of book bannings and all that.
But I think, quite frankly, you know, we're seeing things
(31:33):
on the other side now. We're seeing words that can't
be used and subjects that can't be taught because of
certain sensitivities. Yes, we need to be sensitive, but we
need to have all of these things out there we
need Darrow today, but you got to read this book.
Speaker 2 (31:49):
I really can't wait.
Speaker 4 (31:50):
You brought tills to me as a lawyer, but as
an American, I think just describing that period and what
happened during the course of the trial.
Speaker 1 (31:56):
David Shoan, Civil Liberty's attorney, thank you so much for
being our.
Speaker 2 (32:00):
Thanks so much.
Speaker 1 (32:01):
Coming up next, I'll be talking with Peter Schweitzer and
Eric Eggers. They're gonna be stopping by to talk about
the Clintons and what the FBI learned from them. We'll
be right back. I'm Greg Jared filling in for Sean
on The Sean Hannity Show.
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