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big break News. In the case of Alec Baldwin hit
with involuntary manslaughter charges in the death of Helena Hutchins.
On that charge, he faces up to eighteen months in prison.
There are potentially other charges gun charges that would have
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a maximum minimum penalty of five years in prison. Anyway,
it is what it is. I'm a little bit torn
on this, and I don't know why I shouldn't be torn.
I have a history with Alec Baldwin. He is a jackass.
He's an idiot, he's arrogant, he's pompous, he's an elitist
that I've had moments with him. Twitter fights for this
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idiot once when he was trying out on radio Mark
Levin and I called in and he ended up walking
out of the studio. He has a notoriously vicious temper.
We all know the phone call with his daughter, which
you know, calling her a pig when she's like thirteen
years old, among other things. And you know, how did
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this happen? Now this is after a lengthy investigation, and
I take no joy in seeing people having trouble in
their lives. I just don't anyway here to weigh in
on it. Joe Concha, author of kaman Man and Fox
News contributor, in one of the greatest of all time
in terms of media reporters. He'd be great with his
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own show on Fox, which we'd love to see one day.
Carol Roth is with us Entrepreneur, the war on small business,
how the government used the pandemic to crush the backbone
of America. You know, the left has always embraced Alec
Baldwin because he's been so acerbic and so anti conservative,
and even though he's been vicious with the media, the
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media still can't get enough of him, it seems. What
do you make of all of that in these charges today,
Joe Concha, Well, you're right in terms of the left
embracing in fact that people may forget. But he had
a primetime show on ms SEE at one point that
lasted about three scare emochis right, not not too long,
a couple of months. But look, I'm with you on
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this in terms of being torn on whether he truly
is at fault here. And here's what I mean. So
he's handed a gun and told to point it at somebody,
he doesn't know there's live rounds in it. Now, all
that said, anybody will tell you, particularly in law enforcement,
that you don't point a gun at anyone unless you
check the gun to make sure that it doesn't have
any live ammunition in it. So it was his responsibility.
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But then again, there wasn't armorer on the set to
make sure that these guns were handled properly and the
ammunition was handled properly. I guess my question is, Sean,
why are we using live ammunition in these situations? I'm
sure we could come up with some guns that look
like guns and fire nothing blanks, right, So I didn't
understand how ammunition got on that set in the first place. Well,
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I mean this is where this is where involuntary manslaughter
comes in. You know. I gotta tell you something as
somebody who's been around guns since I'm ten years old,
you know, in a very different time, Carol Roth, my mom,
a prison guard, had a Smith and Wesson revolver. She
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put it next to her bed and it was loaded.
Knowing she had a curious, you know son in the house,
they made it their business at a very early age
to teach me gun safety and took me down of
the range when I was that young, and literally I
went and I got a lesson in safety, and I
remember it was the gun was pointed down range as
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it should be, all the other safety measures. The guy says,
do you understand everything I've just taught you about safety?
I said, yes, sir, and I thought I was going
to be able to shoot the gun. And he said, good,
when you come back next week, if you remember everything
I told you, I'll let you shoot the gun for
the first time. And I had to come back the
next week. But from that point forward, I had. You know,
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safety was drilled into my head on day one and
it never left me. Yeah, I mean, I love the
fact that I'm joining you in compassion but also being
very serious exactly what you said, Sean about the safety
aspect for people who like to talk about how dangerous
guns are and how we need to do all of
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these things to remove guns because it's so serious. The
lack of seriousness that they showed when guns were in
their possession, it just shows the utter hypocrisy here. And
it's so unfortunate because obviously somebody lost their life, several
other people's lives that are now going to be disrupted
and bear the burden of the life that was lost.
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And as you said, you know there are kids that
are taught guns safety things about not putting your your
finger on the trigger. Alec Baldman said that he didn't,
but we all know how guns work. You know, unless
you had your fingernecks to trigger, that gun's not going off. So,
you know, I think that's the key here is that
if you're going to have the guns on set, and
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I agree with Joe at Hollywood, you should be able
to have some sort of a clear replica. You have
to treat it with the utmost of respect of responsibility,
and I guess their lack of understanding of guns has led,
unfortunately to this tragedy. I mean, sad. Let's talk about
what the punishment should be in the case of the
involuntary manslaughter, could be eighteen months in jail. Do you
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think where that this is where this is headed? Joe Conscha, Well,
you know when we cut through all the noise and
everything is still that the mother of a six year
old boy is dead, right and the mother of a
loving husband, and there needs to be some kind of
accountability around this. But I think Alec Baldman, really from
a pr perspective Sean has not handled this well at all, because,
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as you said, he's an egomaniac and he thinks he
could basically talk and bully his way out of anything.
And he decided that it was a good idea, and
I am certain that his lawyers didn't think this was
a good idea to go to his friend George Stepanopolis
over at ABC. This is about a year ago, and
the quote that stands out from that interview is that
he said, I did not pull the trigger. Well, it
sure looks like you pulled the trig because no one
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else could have. So now that's in the public domains
that could be used against him in this case. His
claim that he didn't pull the trigger, well, that goes
to credibility. Well, of course you did, sir. So I
think he probably does get charged. The question is does
he get the full eighteen months in prison? And what
is prison? Is at home arrest? Is it some sort
of country club kind of prison. It's not like he's
going to go to Shawshank or anything I would imagine.
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So I think he gets charged, but I don't think
it's going to be the punishment will be all that
difficult to fulfill. Let me ask you both this question,
because they also face an enhancement for use of a
firearm that itself carries a mandatory minimum sentence of five years.
Is that something that you think will be brought up? Carol,
I'd say from my perspective, and Sean, I'm certainly not
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a lawyer and don't even play one on the radio.
But I think given the high profile nature of this,
it's a coin flip. It depends do they want to
make an example out of him you kind of like
they did with Martha Stewart and her obstruction of justice
claim that center away related to insider trading charges or
is it the opposite where, Oh, it's a celebrity and
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you know, they're probably not going to do this again,
so we're going to go lights and you know, not
set the example. And I think it just really depends
on the tenor of the people in the room, and
it's going to go one way or the other now. Previously,
Alec Baldwin spoke out after reaching a settlement with the
family of Helena Hutchins and he and the Rust producers.
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They reached the settlement the deal which I believe got
court approval. Anyway, according to the terms, the production of
the film was supposed to resume as of I guess
last January with the movie's original director and the Wrongful
Dead lawsuit filed in February against the producers and Baldwin
and crew members. They apparently had an out of court settlement.
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What we've reached the settlement subject to court approval as
it relates to the death the wrongful death case against
the producers including Alec Baldwin and Rust Movie Productions LLC.
As part of the settlement, the case was to be dismissed,
meaning the civil case, so that part of the the
the legal aspect is gone, done and gone. But I
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don't think that impacts the legal case. We'll give you
the last word. Joe conscient. Oh sure. I just can't
believe that after a woman, a producer, was killed on
the set by the lead actor, that they were actually
going to go ahead and resume filming on this, right,
How could you, in any good conscience go ahead and say,
all right, well we lost someone, but you know, let's
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let's wrap this thing. I just think the optics on
that just looks so poor. Just why why isn't I
don't why, why, Carol do I not? I can't stand
the guy. He's an arrogant, pompous, elitist jackass, and I
just can't wish ill on anybody. I don't know why.
Maybe I don't know, says he. Because you're a good
person and you have compassion, and when you're somebody who's
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not in our assistic egomaniac, that is how we look
towards other people. This was something certainly that wasn't done
with malice. It was an accident. It was a horrible,
negligent accident, but you're showing that compassion and I think
that's what people like about you. Well, you're very kind
to say so. There are a lot of people that
don't like me too. Anyway, We appreciate your insight, both
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of you. Carol Roth, great to have you back, and
as always, Joe Consta, thank you for being with us. Thanks, thanks,
sud all right, quick break, we'll come right back. Linda
has been staring at me with daggers. I don't think
she likes that. I'm not gleeful over this charge on
Alec Baldwin. We'll get to that when we come back.
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you want to join us as we continue. All right, Linda,
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you have been looking at me with nothing but score
in this entire interview. Why you think I should be
more hostile towards him? Do you really believe and it's
involuntary manslaughter. I don't believe that Alec Baldwin, jackass that
he is went to work that day thinking, oh, I'm
going to shoot an innocent person on the set. So
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hence the involuntary manslaughter and the responsibility of everybody, including him.
I think he was the head of production of everybody
that this is something like this can happen and they
should have have systems and check some balances in place
to prevent such tragedies. Yeah, I mean it's tough, you know,
Alec Baldwin is just we if we segregate personal feelings,
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which is very hard as human beings to do, and
just look at the facts of the case, then yeah,
sure I could see how this is manslaughter or this
is you know, not him deliberately going out maliciously getting
up in the more. It's not, you know, a contemplated
murder by any stretch. Right. However, having said that, I'm
curious how the average Joe would fare in that same situation.
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You know, obviously it's a movie set. Nobody on that
set is the average Joe, right. They all have means,
They're all probably well known in their circuit and have
access to really great lawyers, and all the things. Alec Baldman,
being the most premier and well known on the set,
having said, Oh, I don't think it helps the husband.
I don't think it helps the sun. I don't think
it helps the family. And he, you know, Joe made
a really good point. He's just been so callous about it,
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making it like about him and that I'm the victim
and crying and doing those weird YouTube you know videos
where he's like in that hotel room and then he's
talking to George synopolisis interview. It was almost like he
prepared with his lawyers and it was an acting role
for him. That's how I interpreted that, And everything he
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said was preplanned. I felt, yeah, And he's an actor,
so he does it very well. You know, it's very
It's hard to say, like, are you acting right now?
Is this you pretending? Like I've seen you as an actor?
You're pretty good? Actually, I don't know. I mean, just
because you're a narcissistic jackass like he is, and he is,
it doesn't mean that you don't have some human compassion.
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Here was some of it real, sure, But when he
said I never pulled the trigger, what do you mean
you didn't pull the trigger. It didn't go off by itself.
It went off, it was in your hands. You didn't
check if George Clooney was actually pretty hard on them
and said, I always check myself to make sure that
it's a blank, it's not a real bullet in the gun.
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But how weird is that? I mean, you know, the
armorers being pulled in as well. I do think there
is something very strange about the fact that this guy
had real bullets in his gun. Why why, I mean,
we're this twenty two, twenty twenty three. We have all
the special effects, sound effects, I mean, the things that
we can do, and the things we can do in
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front of green screens, the sounds we can make with
all the technology that we have even in radio and TV.
I mean it is bar none. We can do tons
of stuff. Why did they need real ammunition? And if
they didn't know who snuck it on? And why? Yeah,
you would never ever. Now, there were other issues involving
safety that had been brought up previously on the set
and they weren't addressed. Now that's negligence on their part.
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They bear responsibility for that. But I also think you know,
you're pointing out all these wonderful things about training, about
being safe, about you know, biometric safes, thumb prints, you know,
you know if they have special locks, all the things
that we can do to be safe. If we look
at all of the shootings that have happened just in
the past week, they're happening with illegal weapons. They're happening
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in the hands of carton members and gang members. They're
getting in the hands of small children whose parents are
not present, not around, not watching, do not have their
guns in a proper place. You know, in the nineteen
twenties and the nineteen thirties, we had kids who worked
on the farms with their families all day, did school work.
When they were done with their work, went back to
work on the farms, trained on their firearms, and they
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were practiced in the use of a firearm as young
as some as seven and eight. What has changed. They
didn't turn into serial killers. What has changed. Two things changed.
The type of media that we feed our children, the
exposure that they have to it, the lack of awareness
that parents have because they're totally checked out and they're
on their cell phone all damn day and they're not
paying attention to their kids. And the fact sorry, that's
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Sean Ricky is in Florida. Ricky the Free State of Florida.
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How are you, my friend? I'm good today. How are you, Sean? Well,
I'm glad you're good today. I hope you're good every day.
Nobody has a perfect life. Life is difficult, as the
book The Roadless Travel tells us. But we work our
way through it, don't we. That's that's correct, that's correct, Sean.
I just wanted to get your opinion on I know
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I heard you three four years ago talking about Hillary
Clinton and what all she had done, and that situation
just kind of bogged down and went away. How do
you see the Biden situation as comparing it to a
Hillary situation? Do you see a better outcome in getting
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to the bottom of all this? I think this is
the single biggest most often asked question I'm getting of late. Um.
I don't think it's the top secret classified documents that
are going to be the undoing of Biden. I think,
especially after the raid with Donald Trump, the double standard
in terms of the Justice Department wouldn't even send FBI
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agents to be involved in the search. I think I
think that then washes out, that it becomes a wash. Now,
the far more egregious example, you're right, was Hillary Clinton,
because on top of she had way more top secret
classified information on her servers than Joe and Donald Trump combined.
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And that doesn't include the thirty three thousand emails that
she washed clean with bleach bit on her servers, and
the hammers that were used to destroy devices that might
have those those emails and the simcards removed. But here's
where I think Joe's biggest vulnerability is it's money. Joe
Biden was unequivocal. I never once spoke to my son
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Hunter or any other family member about their Farign business dealings.
We now know there's no ambiguity here. He lied. We
have photographic evidence Joe Biden with his son Hunter and
his Farign business partners we've heard from Tony Bob o Lynsky.
We know who the big guy is. We have specific
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meetings that we know Joe attended with Hunter and his
farign business partners. So I think the issue for Joe
and the undoing of Joe is going to be about money.
And I think now with these investigations, and I kept
telling people people were upset while the election didn't go
the way we wanted. I'm like, don't underestimate the win
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of the House. It matters so much more than you think.
And I said, we should be very happy about that victory.
Now we should learn how to do elections better. You know,
Democrats do elections by ballots, early voting, and voting by mail.
Republicans have got to adopt what the Democrats are doing,
duplicate it, and do it better. But put that aside
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for now. But these investigations are real, and I think
Joe Biden's greatest vulnerability, his Achilles heel, if you will,
is going to be the money and the lying and
the evidence that he lied to the country is going
to be overwhelming and incontrovertible. That's my best guess of
where this is headed. And I don't think there's going
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to be an easy excuse out, no matter how much
they try to smear anybody that talks about it. I
also have to wonder how what would happen if a
common guilot mean, didn't disclose six hundred thousand dollars worths
of income on my income tax. Well, I mean, if
you get in fifty thousand dollars a month in rent
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for a room for your son in your own house
in Delaware. Now, I've seen rents way higher than that
down in Palm Beach and Malibu Beach, and you know,
very very expensive areas in the country. Delaware is not
one of them. That is an extraordinarily high number. And then,
of course the Laptop from Hell implicates Joe or Hunter
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implicates Joe. You know, I'm tired of pay and have
my income to Pops. I'm tired of paying for pops repairs.
You know, the big guy gets his you know cut,
we got to put money aside for him. That's all
about the money, and I think that's where the vulnerability
comes in and the staggering amount. Just look at China alone,
a five million dollar no interest forgivable loan. What does
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that sound like to you? Would you take those terms.
I'm going to offer you an interest free, forgivable five
million dollar loan. Would you take that? I would ask
what the catch is exactly? But there's no catch. That's
the problem. A forgivable loan means you don't have to
give it back, or one hundred thousand dollars shoppings free.
Would you like me to take you and your family
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on one hundred thousand dollars shopping spree? Absolutely? Now, if
the Bank of China, I assume you probably, I don't
know if you have any experience, you have any experience
in financial issues or oh, I don't know in investment.
I mean, why would the Bank of China do business
with Hunter Biden, a crack addict at the time, to
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the tune of one point five billion exactly? You know,
it's so that these are massive amounts of money, and
I don't think there are any good answers. Now, I
do know the Bidens have hired very very good lawyers.
I just happen to know who they hired. And so
this is not a slam dunk. Are they going to
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fight back with every you know, every dirty trick they
can think of. They've been planning this fight for a
long time, anticipating Republicans would win the House and have
these investigations. So let's see, Ricky. I mean, that's the
bottom line. Quick break right back to our phones. Eight
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our phones. Greg is in North Carolina. What's up, Greg?
How are you? Oh, I'm doing great. How are you?
I'm good, sir. What's happening well? Thinking about the Biden
classified documents story, the thing that sticks out for me
is how unusually cooperative his staff are being. I mean,
it's correct me if I'm wrong, but some of these
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documents were actually found by his aids, his staffers, and
they're turning them over, you know, wanting to be so cooperative.
And what it makes me wonder is, you know, do
you think that it's possible that there will be an
investigation that the Democrats fully cooperate with it finds out
it concludes that Joe Biden would say careless with classified material.
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And then the result of that is there's some bipartisan
legislation that says anyone who has mishandled classified information cannot
be eligible for the president see and then of course
this is something they've already made, this claim about Donald Trump.
Joe Biden bows out and he says, hey, if I
had run again, I would have won. I would have
had a great second term. But I'm a law abiding
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citizen and I'll follow this new role. Meanwhile, they've got
something that can prevent Donald Trump from running again. What
do you think? There's nothing that devious that would shock me,
that is not that is not beyond the realm of
possibility in my mind. The only problem is they would
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have to have House Republicans go along with it. Now,
that wouldn't happen, but I will. But I will say this,
you know, it's very suspicious to me. I have no
reason except that I've only done this since nineteen eighty
seven on the radio, and I think I have a
pretty good gut and feel for you know, bs when
I smell it and see it. And the fact that
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this all happened in succession the way it did, first
the Penn Biden Center in the garage, then the room
and the house, then the other house, it just is
too coincidental for me, and it just it reeks of
Democrats not wanting him to run. I have no evidence
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at all to prove that. I want to be very clear,
but it's a thought in the back of my head,
why is this all coming up now? I don't have
a good answer for it. And when I don't have
a good answer, I often get suspicious, and usually my
gut my suspicions turn out to be right. But I
have no evidence to prove that. Well, as far as
you know, bipartisan support for such a thing. You know,
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remember there were quite a few Republicans that voted for
Donald Trump to be impeached, and there are quite a
few Republicans that maybe they were never really wanting an
outsider to come in and drain the swamp. You know,
there's corruption on both sides, and I wouldn't be surprised
if they got a little support for something that would
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That's a good point too. Listen the effort to keep
Donald Trump. Now. It's odd because on the one hand,
if you listen to Democrats, liberals, the media, they think
that Donald Trump is completely unelectable. My answer to that is,
I would never underestimate Donald Trump. Now. I do think
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it's hard for any Republican to win the presidency, and
it's getting harder because I don't know if you've heard
me talk about what I call accelerated migration, and all
these conservatives leaving Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Illinois, not that Illinois matters,
but Michigan. It's getting hard for Republicans to get to
two seventy harder and harder every day, regardless of who
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the candidate is. But they say is the weakest, But
yet they want to do everything in their power to
just ensure that he doesn't run. If he thought he
was the weakest, why wouldn't you want him to run?
Because I don't believe they think he's the weakest. I
think when the choice, if the choice were Trump versus Biden,
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it would be another nail biding close election. And frankly,
you know, if I look at if it's another Republican,
you know I'm not I don't want to get into
twenty twenty four. It's too early. But any Republican that
runs is going to be slandered and smeared and attacked,
and you know it's going to be a never ending
assault by the media. And it's going to be Republicans
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one dirty year and water and they're racist and xenophobic
and you know, the same crap we get every election,
So I think it's hard. I'm remember I was. There
were a lot of people that were making all these
predictions in the lead up to twenty twenty two. I
was not one of them. I don't know if you
were listening to the show. I was warning people every
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day manager expectations here. And for two reasons. There are
way more people than we imagine that actually buy into
this socialist b s more than you think. Number one.
Number two, I'm telling you between Democrats run elections very
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differently than the way Republicans do. Republicans think kissing babies,
do impressivels, doing town halls, doing rallies, having better positions,
convincing people that they'd be a better representative is the
way to run. But it's not. Democrats can hide in
their basement, avoid debating, or only debate at the last
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minute after a lot of voting has taken place, and
then they are in the ballot business. They're in the
ballot business and the negative ad business. And most states
allow a version. Forty nine states allow a version of
ballot harvesting. Sixteen states do not require any idea at all.
We've got to fix us, and we don't fix it
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this year. I'm very worried about twenty twenty four. I'm
going to start bringing on governors to ask them to
get their laws in place. You're one hund percent right,
and unless we focus on in our opinion, unless we
focus you know, there's always been debate, and there's always
been a right and a left. But what we've got now, Sean,
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I believe, is corruption. And unless we get that out,
and because corruption hurts the foundation of the system, the
system will take care of the debate itself. As long
as you've got legitimate elections. Well, the problem is what
the law is, you know, put aside any improprieties that
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take place. And I believe, like the Democrats in twenty
twenty they use COVID like most states have laws. Let's
say partisan observers get to watch the vote counting. That
didn't happen in any state. Now accommodations for partisan observers
to watch the vote counting not a thousand feet away,
one hundred feet away, twenty feet away, but up close,
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start to finish. If that's the law, you need to
follow the law. And I kept repeating this or election
observers that were signing affidavits saying that they saw things
that were not that they believe violated the law. Nobody
wanted to hear from those whistleblowers, or state constitutions like
in Pennsylvania, you know, overridden by by a legislature, but
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that by it's constitutionally not sound for them to do that. So,
you know, we've got a lot of work to do.
I'm going to spend more time on this election issue
and what Republicans need to do, but I will tell
you this, Republicans need to change how they approach elections
moving forward, starting in twenty twenty four, or else they
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won't have a chance. They won't have a chance. Democrats
they are at you know, in terms of ballot harvesting,
they're at a level one hundred times better than Republicans legally.
I'm just saying on that side, let