November 15, 2023 • 34 mins
Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu sits down with Sean and issues a dire warning to America that it may be "next" if the IDF doesn't decimate Hamas during an interview with FOX News' Sean Hannity.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Well, we'll come in to your city.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
I get Tom saying you a conscious zone, will be desire,
call in a tel.
Speaker 1 (00:17):
And if you want a little banging again, you ain't
come along.
Speaker 3 (00:20):
Well, one thing we haven't agreed to is a cease fire.
A cease fire with comas means surrender to comas, surrender
to term. There won't be a cease fire without the
release of the Israeli hostages.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
And then do we go back to bombing.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
No, four hours. We don't want four hours. We don't
want sixteen hours, we don't want twenty two. We want
a cease fire now.
Speaker 4 (00:40):
So the situation at the border you're saying is not
a disaster, that is correct.
Speaker 5 (00:48):
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Speaker 6 (00:51):
Welcome to the revolution.
Speaker 5 (00:54):
That will come in to your sentence.
Speaker 4 (00:59):
Going away saying you a conscious song Sean.
Speaker 5 (01:04):
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Speaker 2 (01:14):
All right, thanks Scott Shannon.
Speaker 4 (01:16):
Hour two Sean Hannity Show, eight hundred ninety four one
sewn on number. You want to be a part of
the program. So it's clear that Israel is now in
a fight for its survival and I interviewed Prime Minister
of Israel BB Benjamin Uts and Yahoo. Let me play
this interview on the other side of it. There's been
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a march for Israel going on today and people like
David Shoan and others, Bill Jacobson, Cornell Law Professor have
been there. We're going to get an update for them
from them on what's going on. Then later on our
friend Greg Jarre will join us and we'll get to
your calls. Eight hundred ninety four one. Sean, if you
want to be a part of the program of first
my interview with the Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin net and Yahoo.
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I've known you, We've been friends for decade, and I
just want to express at the top of this interview
my deepest sympathy for all that you and your fellow
countrymen are going through.
Speaker 1 (02:08):
I remember you stood strong and.
Speaker 4 (02:10):
Steadfast with America after nine to eleven and had a
lot of moral clarity when others did not, and I'm
grateful for that, and I think it's now time for
America to do the same for you.
Speaker 1 (02:21):
But I am my deepest sympathies for what you're dealing with.
Speaker 6 (02:24):
Well, thank you, Sean. And man.
Speaker 3 (02:25):
In fact, the American people across the board, the American government, Congress,
the Senate, and the President, everybody has been very very
strong for his will because they understand that our fight
is your fight, and our victory is your victory, and
there is no substitute for victory. We have to have
the forces of civilization beat these barbarians, because otherwise it's barbarism,
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will spread and will endanger the entire world. Every American,
every civilized country, would be under peril.
Speaker 6 (02:55):
We have to win. There is no substitute for victory,
total victory.
Speaker 4 (03:01):
I hear you say that. It reminds me of Winston
Churchill of World War Two. What is our aim? Our aim?
I could say in one word victory. Then he spoke
at length victory against some monstrous tyranny. And this group
Hamas is only one of your enemies, and they have
in the.
Speaker 1 (03:18):
Very charter the destruction of your country.
Speaker 4 (03:21):
You actually use the phrase, if I could read it
to you, if you want peace, you have to destroy Hamas.
I agree with you, but that's Hamas in the south.
Rockets are being fired into your country from the north.
Speaker 1 (03:35):
At Elebanon.
Speaker 4 (03:36):
You have the Huti rebels that have declared.
Speaker 1 (03:39):
War against you.
Speaker 4 (03:40):
At a Yemen, you have Serria firing missiles at you.
Then you have the head of the snake around orchestrating all.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
Of these proxy conflicts.
Speaker 4 (03:50):
So I ask you this question, if we're going to
define what victory looks like, doesn't that have to be
Godza could no longer be a launching ad for rockets
being fired into your country. Lebanon can no longer be
a launching area for rockets being fired into your country.
Doesn't that mean the network of terror tunnels? And I've
been in some of them, as you know that all
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those terror tunnels have to be destroyed. Doesn't it also
mean on some level that Iran has to be dealt
with for total victory.
Speaker 3 (04:23):
Well, if you connect the dots, you see that there's
an access of terror here against an alliance for peace.
Speaker 6 (04:29):
The access of terror is.
Speaker 3 (04:31):
Controlled by Iran, run by Iran, financed by Iran. Iran
be Baddlah in Lebanon, Hamas in Gaza.
Speaker 6 (04:38):
Jutis and Yemen, and there are other minions.
Speaker 3 (04:41):
They want to bring the Middle East, the world back
to the Dark.
Speaker 6 (04:44):
Ages, early Middle Ages. That's what they are about.
Speaker 3 (04:47):
And on the other side stands Israel, the modern Arab States,
of course, the United States, all the forces that want
to see peace, prosperity for the Middle East and for
the world. And that's the battle is being waged right now.
It's being waged right now, most importantly and most decisively
in Hamas, one of the extensions of this access of terror.
And everybody's waiting to see who's going to win. Is
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Israel going to win or Hama's going to win. But
it's not merely Israel's victory. It's our victory over the Axis,
because when they see that we defeated them in one place,
we'll defeat them in every place, because that's how power works.
Speaker 6 (05:22):
They want to see who's winning.
Speaker 3 (05:23):
We have to win, not only for our sake, for
the sake of the Middle East, for the sake of
our our neighbors, you know what, for the sake of
Gazans who have been held by this dark tyranny that
is brutalized and brought them nothing but bloodshed and poverty
and misery. That we have to win to protect Israel,
we have to win, to safeguard the Middle East.
Speaker 6 (05:42):
We have to win for the sake of the civilized world.
Speaker 3 (05:45):
That's the battle we're fighting, and it's being waged right now.
There's no substitute for that victory. It'll affect the other
theaters that you mentioned as well.
Speaker 4 (05:53):
Over twenty eight communities in the north near the border
with Lebanon have had to be evacuated. Has always been
a concern about a two front war. My concern is
even larger than that, and that is that, you know,
if rockets are being fired out of Syria or the
Huti rebels are firing rockets into Israel, that becomes an
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even bigger conflict.
Speaker 1 (06:15):
But I agree with your general point.
Speaker 4 (06:17):
You always said that radical Islamis view Israel as the
little Satan. America is the big Satan. That's a phrase
you've used often.
Speaker 6 (06:26):
They've used it.
Speaker 3 (06:27):
They say America is the great Satan, and we're the
small Satan. We're just a small Satan standing in their
way to get at you, the great Satan, because they
you don't want all these radicals, these terrorists, these monstrous
regimes and organizations. They say, there's no difference between Israel
and the United States. You are them and they are
you because we represent these same values of freedom, respect
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for human life, respect for individual liberty. They have nothing
of that. They don't care for their people, they don't
care for liberty, they don't care for life. They glorify death,
They glorified murder. Remember what happened here, I mean what
happened here was that Israel was attacked unprovoked by a
sea of terrorists who stormed into our communities, murdered and
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raped women, bird children. I met a soldier today, an
Arab soldier in the Israeli army, who said, the first
thing I saw was the corpse of a woman beheaded.
Speaker 6 (07:21):
They behead women.
Speaker 3 (07:23):
They fired on the youngsters celebrating a music festival. They
put them in a deathbed like in Bobby Are and
the Holocaust, and fired machine guns into them, mowing them down.
Speaker 6 (07:35):
They took hostages.
Speaker 3 (07:36):
They took a ten month old baby hostage. What kind
of monsters hold babies hostages? Holocaust survivors, They took hostages, men, women, children, elderly.
These are monstrous, monstrous terrorists, and they perpetrated the worst
hors against the Jewish people since the Holocaust. And if
we let them get away with it, this barberism will spread.
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You know what, the difference is shown. You know, at
least the Nazis and Stalin. They wanted to hide their crimes.
These people glorify their crime. They bring go pro cameras
for their murderers to show the entire world they celebrated.
Speaker 6 (08:11):
So who's going to win? Are the good guys going
to win? Or the bad guys are going to win?
Speaker 3 (08:15):
And of course we have to make sure that the
forces of good, the forces of peace, the forces of
progress and prosperity, they win and not the forces that
take us back to the dark ages. That's the battle,
and it will affect every single person, not only the
Middle East, but well beyond, because if Israel is in peril,
if the Middle East goes down, Europe is next. It's
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like isis You know, people thought it was a local thing.
Speaker 6 (08:38):
It wasn't.
Speaker 3 (08:39):
It was a global thing, and it affected Americans. It
beheaded Americans. If we don't win now, then Europe is
next and your next, and we have to win. We
have to be asked, there is no substitute for total victory.
Speaker 4 (08:53):
You mentioned the atrocities being chronicled, then they had GoPro cameras.
The IDF has shown people in the media and it's
been described in great detail to me and I have
an appointment to see this as well. All of these
human atrocities that you speak of are on video tape.
You have some forty plus minutes of tape available. I understand,
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and I've watched videos of beheadings. These are not images
that one will ever be able to erase from their mind.
And you wouldn't think that such evil exists in this world,
but it does, and these tapes are available for the
world to see. Would it be wise perhaps for the
IDF to pixel out faces so that families are not
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having to deal with the trauma of seeing this, But
let the world see the magnitude of evil that you
are destroying. Yes they rape women, Yes they slaughtered babies
and women and children. Yes they beheaded babies, Yes they
burn babies, all of which much of which has been chronicled.
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Would it be worthwhile for the world to fully to
have the moral clarity to understand the barbarism, the monstrous
evil that we're talking about here because it's on videotape.
Speaker 3 (10:15):
Yes, you're quite right. There's sensitivity of the families. We
respect that and we try to persuade them to do
exactly what you said. And I think we're getting somewhere.
We show it to selective leaders in America and elsewhere
in the world, and people, you know, people watch these
tapes and they shudder, some break out into tears because
the inhumanity, the deliberate, not merely the deliberate murder of people,
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the deliberate murdered mutilation, the ripping off of body parts,
the beheading. They are so you know, it's accompanied with
such fiendish glee, the joy of murder, the joy of terror,
the joy of torture. It's just absolutely extraordinary. And this
is the battle we're fighting now. It's a very difficult
enemy to fight because it's committing a double war crime.
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Not only is it deliberately targeting civilians are civilians, but
it's deliberately hiding behind their civilians because they implant themselves
in schools and hospitals, in the UN facilities, in civilian neighborhoods.
That's where they put their rockets, that they that's where
they put their command posts, and they see community there.
And of course we can't give them that immunity. We
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try to do everything in our power to minimize civilian casualties.
But one thing we don't want to do, you know,
everybody says the use of human shields, the use of
civilians as a shield for terrorists, that's wrong, okay, But
we have to make sure that it's not merely condemned.
Speaker 6 (11:37):
We have to make sure that it's ineffective. And if the.
Speaker 3 (11:41):
Blame is directed against Israel, against the victim that is
returning fire with the most judicious use of military power
that's possible in these circumstances. If blame is placed on Israel,
that that tactic becomes effective and will be used again
and again and again. And we can't allow that. In fact,
Hamasis saying they'll do it again and again and again,
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and that's why we have to win, root them out completely,
but also send a message to the axis of terror,
you're not gonna win. We're not going to let you
do this. We defeated you here, we'll defeat you elsewhere.
And we should have the entire civilized world line up
beyind behind Israel while it's fight. It fights, this battle
of civilization. It's our common civilization against their common barbarism.
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Civilization must win. So Israel must destroy Khamas to have peace.
If you want peace, destroy Kamas, if you want security,
destroy Kamas. If you want to beat the axis of terror,
destroy Kamas, this is what Israel must do.
Speaker 6 (12:38):
This is what Israel is doing.
Speaker 3 (12:40):
But it's not only doing it for ourselves, for our sake,
it's doing good for your sake too, for our common future,
for the future, a better future for the for the Israel,
for the Palestinians, for the Middle East, for the world.
Speaker 4 (12:55):
You know, when on one of my trips to Israel,
and I've been there a number of times and I've
interviewed you while in Israel, but on one of the
trips where there was a flare up, that was when
I went into one of the terror tunnels. I went,
It's almost one hundred feet underground. It's sophisticated, you know,
almost architecture. And it was all supposed to be humanitarian
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aid for hospitals and schools and infrastructure. But I also
stopped by a city of border city that you know
what else they wrote And while there, you know, prior
to my arrival, they had been hit with ten thousand
rockets in ten years.
Speaker 1 (13:32):
The children cannot play outside.
Speaker 4 (13:34):
They play in bunker underground playgrounds in that city.
Speaker 1 (13:40):
And that's the same with many border cities.
Speaker 4 (13:43):
And I guess when we get to the real heart
of this, doesn't all of this have to be rooted out?
And for example, while the Iron Gnome has been enormously
successful and helpful and intercepted, thousands of missiles can no
longer be a launching pad. I go back to that part.
But also you talk about Hamas must be destroyed.
Speaker 1 (14:07):
What about Hesbolah? Do you believe a victory over.
Speaker 4 (14:10):
Hamas sends a strong enough message that they stop firing
missiles from Lebanon into Israel.
Speaker 3 (14:16):
I think it's a necessary message. May not be sufficient,
but it's definitely necessary because without victory in the south,
you're certainly not going to have deterrence in the north
against Kazbala, and we'll have to deal with that.
Speaker 6 (14:27):
But I think the first step is the first step,
and the first step means Hamas did this.
Speaker 3 (14:32):
Hamas is going to pay for this, and it's going
to pay for this by its total eradication. By the
way you talk about underground tunnels, I mean they've got
a network there of hundreds of kilometers, hundreds of miles
of underground tunnels that are used as terror tunnels, as
command poless command bunkers, and you know what their leader
is like a little Hitler. He's sitting in the bunker
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and he's saying, I don't care about what happens to
the civilian population.
Speaker 6 (14:56):
On top.
Speaker 3 (14:57):
One of the Hamas spokesmen said the other day, you know,
the tunnels, the underground is for us, for this messionic,
violent theological cult that has to be destroyed, and instead
above ground. That's not our responsibility civilian population. That's Israel's
real responsibility in the UN. They don't care a who
about their civilian population. The only one that tries to
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keep them out of harm's way is Israel. We create
safe passages, corridors, we create a safe zone for them,
and as we ask them to leave guests, who's trying
to prevent them from leaving the zone of fighting?
Speaker 6 (15:31):
Commas.
Speaker 3 (15:32):
It's not Israel that is firing in the safe corridor
given to Palestinians, it's Camas. It's not Israel who's trying
to keep these people at gunpoint in the zone of fighting,
it's Commas. So we're dealing here with a brutal enemy
that is committing a double war crime of targeting our
civilians and hiding behind their civilians forcibly keeping them in
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the zone of fighting.
Speaker 6 (15:55):
And I think all.
Speaker 3 (15:56):
Those people who are naive and are you know, who
are either naive or misinformed or worse, are condemning is
well they should be. They really should be ashamed of
themselves because they're aligning themselves with pure, sheer evil. They
should support the forces of civilization that are fighting this barbarism,
because otherwise this barbarism will spread.
Speaker 4 (16:18):
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we just heard from the Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin att Yahoo.
Throughout the day today there has been a march for
Israel and washing in DC, our nation's capital. Our friend
of this program, David Shoon, civil rights attorney, is has
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been there throughout the days with us.
Speaker 2 (18:09):
Now, sir, how are you. It's great to be here
all right.
Speaker 4 (18:14):
So obviously the Prime Minister I agree with him completely.
I think this is now a fight for Israel's survival.
I don't think there's any other way to look at it.
And the fact that, you know, we have an administration
that has been pushing and pressuring, and I know the
Prime Minister didn't want to go into it because you know, frankly,
he needs America's support right now, he needs the world
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support and getting into a political you know, uh disagreement
which O Biden is not going to help him, you know,
confront not only Daza and Hamas in the south, but
his Bellah and Lebanon in the north, and never mind
the Huti rebels and the missiles being fired out a series.
Speaker 2 (18:52):
So he's in a tough spot, David.
Speaker 6 (18:55):
And that's tough.
Speaker 7 (18:55):
I'm glad to say this. First of all. You know,
it was a great honor to be at the rally today,
a couple of hundred thousand people coming together support for
Israel to stand again, and that is the re of
the hostages. They had a prayer vigil earlier in the
morning six am at the White House. I'm encouraged by that.
But yes, with the administration came out strongly, rigally. But
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now we're seeing statements from Secretary Blincoln and others demanding
a ceasefire at times or a temporary cessation of the
fighting and so on that only only empowers come up.
Israel understands this is a fight for its very existence. Stop,
you know, it allows it come us to regroup.
Speaker 2 (19:40):
Kind yeah, that's exactly what we would do.
Speaker 4 (19:42):
Let me just give you some headlines I went over
earlier in the program today. Uh, if you look at
the New York Post today, they have a headline Iran
agent smeared pose. According to a report, an Irani important
Pentagon aid revealed this year to be part of a
year's long Tehran backed influen and its operation also sought
to undermine the leading you know group resisting the government
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of the Iyatola Tomane And according to a report deliver
you know, delivered to President Biden. Then you have the
New York Times reporting today four hundred members of the
Biden administration, more than four hundred political appointees, staff members,
you know, some forty government agencies sending a letter to
Biden on Tuesday protesting his support of Israel in their
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war against Hamas then you have the Washington Free Beacon
as an article out today about a federal program to
help nonprofit groups protect against terror attacks. They've given millions
of dollars to mosques and Islamic groups, some of which
have praised terrorists and called for the destruction of Israel.
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And one more also in the Free Beacon is Biden
is now eye new sanctions, a new sanctions waiver that
would hand Iran, the number one state sponsor of terror,
another ten billion dollars.
Speaker 2 (21:01):
What the hell's wrong with him? It's just shocking.
Speaker 7 (21:04):
I mean, this State Department letter with four hundred people.
We've always known the State Department has been Arabis and
anti Semitic, anti Israel, but this is shocking. But all
of that news is just absolutely reprehensible. It's as if
we don't understand that where the United States have to
be a beacon of light for the world, as Israel
is in the Middle East, we have to stand up
the principle. You know, we're complaining now because the other
countries are talking about hitting the hospitals once the hospital
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is used as a command center and pote armament and
that sort of thing. As we know, the hospitals in
Gaza are being used under international humanitary law, they lose
their status as protect targets. That's the bottom line. And
if people want to have a ceasefire cessation, demand the
release of all of the hostages. The whole world should
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be demanding to seventy here, five, here, ten, here, all
of the hostages. We don't negotiate with terrorists. Release these people,
Release the children, release the grand term, all of those.
That's what the US has to stand for me beyond yeah.
Speaker 2 (22:02):
You know I I tend to agree.
Speaker 4 (22:03):
We bring in Bill rich Jacobson rather Cortnell, a law professor.
H Let me remind everybody about the comments made by
a fellow professor of yours about being exhilarated after October seventh,
where's a master.
Speaker 6 (22:19):
Amasta shifted the balance of power.
Speaker 8 (22:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (22:23):
AMAS has punctured the illusion of indisability.
Speaker 6 (22:28):
Yeah, that's what they're done. They don't have to be
an AMAS supporter to recognize that they weren't able to
breathe for the first time of years. It was exhilarating.
It was exhilarating, It was fangising.
Speaker 2 (22:47):
If they weren't acceilarating.
Speaker 3 (22:50):
By this, this challenge to the monopoly of balance.
Speaker 4 (22:54):
By this shifting of the balance of power, then they
would not.
Speaker 1 (22:58):
Be you it.
Speaker 4 (22:59):
I let me ask you, Bill Jacobson, you're a law
professor at Cornell. Did you find it exhilarating with the
slaughter of fourteen hundred people, the raping of innocent women,
the beheading of innocent people, the beheading of children, the
burning of children, the massacre of kids at a concert.
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Is that exhilarating by definition in your mind?
Speaker 8 (23:26):
It's obviously not. And it's also not exhilarating to any
supporter of Israel that I know that Palestinian children have
been killed. I mean, we mourn for that, we don't
feel exhilarated by it, we don't celebrate it.
Speaker 2 (23:38):
Well, who is responsible for that?
Speaker 4 (23:39):
Because I would argue Hamas that wouldn't allow civilians to leave,
Hamas that has always been using civilians as human shields,
that they're responsible for this. They started this war, Israel
didn't want this war. Now Israel has to finish the war.
Speaker 8 (23:55):
Absolutely, one hundred percent agree with that point I'm making
is that she felt exhilarated by the death of Jews.
We don't feel exhilarated by the death of Palestinians. We
recognize that it's a war situation, that Israel has military objectives,
They're following the rules of war, they're not targeting civilians.
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But my point is how horrible it is that someone
would feel exhilarated about the death of any children.
Speaker 4 (24:23):
Let me ask you the question that I just asked.
David shown this New York Post article about the Iranian
agent depending on aid and the story in the New
York Times about more than four hundred political appointees and
staff members representing forty government agencies sending a letter to
Biden protesting his support of Israel, or the Washington pree
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Beacon article on the Biden administration funding even radical mosques
that call for the annihilation of Israel and Biden id
eyeing new sanctions, a new sanctions waiver that could hand
or ran another ten billion dollars.
Speaker 8 (24:59):
You're that yeah, Well, I mean, I think if people remember,
this all goes back to the Obama administration and their
grand bargain to essentially hand the region to Iran. So
this is just a continuation. The Biden foreign policy team
is the Obama foreign policy team, so this is nothing new.
The coddling of the molas, the belief that the Molas
need to stay in power, the mistaken belief that that
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somehow will help the United States. So this is all
gets back to the Grand Bargain that the team Obama
wanted to strike with the.
Speaker 4 (25:30):
Molas agree now, David, I mean, it is heartwarming to
see as many people as we saw in Washington today.
Speaker 2 (25:37):
But you know, we're.
Speaker 4 (25:39):
Hearing, you know, all over the world a level of
anti semitism.
Speaker 2 (25:43):
I don't think I ever expected to hear in my life.
Speaker 4 (25:46):
It's in the halls of Congress, It's at our most
prestigious universities, it's at other colleges all around the country.
Speaker 2 (25:53):
You know, it's all throughout Europe. It's happening.
Speaker 4 (25:55):
You know, gas the Jews after Jews in Australia, a chant,
the call for antifada. Uh, you know, from the river
to the sea. How how much more did you ever
think that there was this much anti semitism in the
world and how acceptable it is in these institutions.
Speaker 7 (26:12):
Well, that's the that's the key. That's good part is
especially we've always known symptoms around, but the acceptability now,
the normal ism is absolutely shocking. In Europe, sort of
asked in England, France, and so on. They knew who
they were taking in at the time. This has been
going on for quite a long time. A text on
Jews in the city. But here in America, these are
carring down the posters of kidnapped baby, kidnapped grandparents and
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all of that.
Speaker 6 (26:37):
This is just sick.
Speaker 7 (26:38):
These are thugs. I wish we never could have seen
it coming, and I don't think we saw acceptibility coming.
Speaker 4 (26:44):
As you said, yeah, well, it certainly is refreshing to
see the other side of this because all throughout New York,
and you spend a lot enough time here to know.
I passed through and saw one of these pro Hamas rallies.
Speaker 2 (26:59):
Uh you know myself.
Speaker 4 (27:00):
I heard the chanting from the river to the sea
and the call for antifada. I saw Times Square look
like New Year's zeve. There were so many people there,
and I just didn't realize there was so many radicals
amongst us.
Speaker 7 (27:14):
David, Well, listen, what we're seeing in Congress now is unprecedented.
It used to be Cynthia McKinney. Then she was run
out of Congress because she was these people played Omar
Bush and on and on. The hate Squad are absolutely
unadulterated biggots. They are hate mongers that I've said it before.
(27:35):
They are no better than David Duke and they first,
they're more dangerous, certainly David Duke liars and they pose
a real danger.
Speaker 8 (27:44):
Mark.
Speaker 4 (27:44):
All right, quick break, we'll come back. We'll continue more
with David Shoon. He has been all day at the
march for Israel in DC. We'll get to your calls.
Coming up, Greg Jarrett coming up, eight hundred and ninety
four one, Shawn is a number. More with Bill Jacobson
as well as we continue.
Speaker 5 (28:03):
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Speaker 4 (28:19):
All right, we continue now with Bill Jacobson, Cornell Law professor,
and David Shoon, a civil rights attorney. And also he's
been at the march for Israel all day in Washington,
d C. I think we now have to talk about
what Israel needs to do to defend itself. Number One,
they can't listen to the Biden administration and they call
for a temporary cease fire. They've got to win the war.
(28:41):
To me, the definition of winning the war has to
look like this. Bill Jacobson guys that could no longer
be a launching pad for rockets into Israel. Nor can Lebanon,
where hes Bela has been launching. This has been going
on for decades. The Iron Dome, you know, as great
at it as it is, has only been a band aid.
(29:02):
The terror tunnels must all be destroyed. There's network of
hundreds of miles of tunnels that were built by the
leaders of Hamas and others that they have to go away.
If anybody else's firing rockets, they too must be destroyed,
be it the Houti rebels or sympathizers in Syria. And
(29:23):
then you've got this other issue that gets very complicated,
and that is the head of the snake, and that
would be Iran, which has been fighting these proxy wars
and funding these groups and training these groups to attack Israel.
At some point they're going to have to be dealt with,
and that point has got to be before they become
a nuclear armed country.
Speaker 8 (29:41):
Yeah, I think that that's right. I mean Gaza. Israel
has to completely remove Hamas and has to demilitarize Gaza
so that it never rises again. We have a history here.
A few attacks on their infrastructure doesn't do it. They
just come back. They've announced they're going to do this again.
Their spokesman has announced so, and it's Israelis have also
(30:04):
been very clear this is not something that's going to
be a matter of weeks. It's a matter of months.
They're probably going to have to spend six to eight
months because Hamas is so dug in there. Just like
the you know, denotification of Germany took time, so is
the de hamosification of Gaza. And I fear that the
Biden administration, through various means, is going to try to
(30:26):
get Israel to pull up short. And I hope they
have the strength because I think they have the backing
of the American people, even if they don't have the
US State Department, I think they have the backing of
the American people to finish getting rid of Hamas and
finally at least.
Speaker 4 (30:40):
See But I'm saying, and I'll get David's take on this, David,
I'm saying, it's bigger than Hamas. It's also Hezbollah and Lebanon.
It's also the Houti rebels at a Yemen. It's also
you know, those that are firing rockets out of Syria
and then at some point you got to look to,
you know, the origins of all this, and that begins
in Iran.
Speaker 7 (31:01):
Absolutely because of itself. It's not just on Islama Shiahad.
We know the hospital and so you know, I studied
these groups long time when I represented American victims of
Palestinian terror, and I have to tell you a boss
is satakh is really not. They haven't engaged in this
kind of mutilation, barbarism, kamasas, but they are dedicated to
(31:24):
destruction of Israel. A recent poll showed, however, Israeli Arabs
it's something like seventy percent favor living in the country
of of Israel rather than under the authority of a
boss or abas or otherwise. I think, now what we
know the real facts on the grounds by the overwhelming fashion,
(31:45):
So just remove it. Comas isn't going to do it.
It starts with Iran. You're one hundred percent right to
see Iran now for using proxies to attack United States troops.
At some point we have to come to terms with
it as horrible and as dangerous as disease. If they
risk the very existence of the world.
Speaker 4 (31:59):
Their new relationship with China, Russia, North Korea ought to
scare the entire world because that could expedite their desire
to acquire nuclear weapons, and nuclear weapons married to this,
this radical sick you know isis you know, converter dime
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Speaker 2 (00:08):
I get Tom saying you a conscious zone, will be desire,
call in a tel.
Speaker 1 (00:17):
And if you want a little banging again, you ain't
come along.
Speaker 3 (00:20):
Well, one thing we haven't agreed to is a cease fire.
A cease fire with comas means surrender to comas, surrender
to term. There won't be a cease fire without the
release of the Israeli hostages.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
And then do we go back to bombing.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
No, four hours. We don't want four hours. We don't
want sixteen hours, we don't want twenty two. We want
a cease fire now.
Speaker 4 (00:40):
So the situation at the border you're saying is not
a disaster, that is correct.
Speaker 5 (00:48):
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Speaker 6 (00:51):
Welcome to the revolution.
Speaker 5 (00:54):
That will come in to your sentence.
Speaker 4 (00:59):
Going away saying you a conscious song Sean.
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Speaker 4 (01:16):
Hour two Sean Hannity Show, eight hundred ninety four one
sewn on number. You want to be a part of
the program. So it's clear that Israel is now in
a fight for its survival and I interviewed Prime Minister
of Israel BB Benjamin Uts and Yahoo. Let me play
this interview on the other side of it. There's been
(01:36):
a march for Israel going on today and people like
David Shoan and others, Bill Jacobson, Cornell Law Professor have
been there. We're going to get an update for them
from them on what's going on. Then later on our
friend Greg Jarre will join us and we'll get to
your calls. Eight hundred ninety four one. Sean, if you
want to be a part of the program of first
my interview with the Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin net and Yahoo.
(01:58):
I've known you, We've been friends for decade, and I
just want to express at the top of this interview
my deepest sympathy for all that you and your fellow
countrymen are going through.
Speaker 1 (02:08):
I remember you stood strong and.
Speaker 4 (02:10):
Steadfast with America after nine to eleven and had a
lot of moral clarity when others did not, and I'm
grateful for that, and I think it's now time for
America to do the same for you.
Speaker 1 (02:21):
But I am my deepest sympathies for what you're dealing with.
Speaker 6 (02:24):
Well, thank you, Sean. And man.
Speaker 3 (02:25):
In fact, the American people across the board, the American government, Congress,
the Senate, and the President, everybody has been very very
strong for his will because they understand that our fight
is your fight, and our victory is your victory, and
there is no substitute for victory. We have to have
the forces of civilization beat these barbarians, because otherwise it's barbarism,
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will spread and will endanger the entire world. Every American,
every civilized country, would be under peril.
Speaker 6 (02:55):
We have to win. There is no substitute for victory,
total victory.
Speaker 4 (03:01):
I hear you say that. It reminds me of Winston
Churchill of World War Two. What is our aim? Our aim?
I could say in one word victory. Then he spoke
at length victory against some monstrous tyranny. And this group
Hamas is only one of your enemies, and they have
in the.
Speaker 1 (03:18):
Very charter the destruction of your country.
Speaker 4 (03:21):
You actually use the phrase, if I could read it
to you, if you want peace, you have to destroy Hamas.
I agree with you, but that's Hamas in the south.
Rockets are being fired into your country from the north.
Speaker 1 (03:35):
At Elebanon.
Speaker 4 (03:36):
You have the Huti rebels that have declared.
Speaker 1 (03:39):
War against you.
Speaker 4 (03:40):
At a Yemen, you have Serria firing missiles at you.
Then you have the head of the snake around orchestrating all.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
Of these proxy conflicts.
Speaker 4 (03:50):
So I ask you this question, if we're going to
define what victory looks like, doesn't that have to be
Godza could no longer be a launching ad for rockets
being fired into your country. Lebanon can no longer be
a launching area for rockets being fired into your country.
Doesn't that mean the network of terror tunnels? And I've
been in some of them, as you know that all
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those terror tunnels have to be destroyed. Doesn't it also
mean on some level that Iran has to be dealt
with for total victory.
Speaker 3 (04:23):
Well, if you connect the dots, you see that there's
an access of terror here against an alliance for peace.
Speaker 6 (04:29):
The access of terror is.
Speaker 3 (04:31):
Controlled by Iran, run by Iran, financed by Iran. Iran
be Baddlah in Lebanon, Hamas in Gaza.
Speaker 6 (04:38):
Jutis and Yemen, and there are other minions.
Speaker 3 (04:41):
They want to bring the Middle East, the world back
to the Dark.
Speaker 6 (04:44):
Ages, early Middle Ages. That's what they are about.
Speaker 3 (04:47):
And on the other side stands Israel, the modern Arab States,
of course, the United States, all the forces that want
to see peace, prosperity for the Middle East and for
the world. And that's the battle is being waged right now.
It's being waged right now, most importantly and most decisively
in Hamas, one of the extensions of this access of terror.
And everybody's waiting to see who's going to win. Is
(05:10):
Israel going to win or Hama's going to win. But
it's not merely Israel's victory. It's our victory over the Axis,
because when they see that we defeated them in one place,
we'll defeat them in every place, because that's how power works.
Speaker 6 (05:22):
They want to see who's winning.
Speaker 3 (05:23):
We have to win, not only for our sake, for
the sake of the Middle East, for the sake of
our our neighbors, you know what, for the sake of
Gazans who have been held by this dark tyranny that
is brutalized and brought them nothing but bloodshed and poverty
and misery. That we have to win to protect Israel,
we have to win, to safeguard the Middle East.
Speaker 6 (05:42):
We have to win for the sake of the civilized world.
Speaker 3 (05:45):
That's the battle we're fighting, and it's being waged right now.
There's no substitute for that victory. It'll affect the other
theaters that you mentioned as well.
Speaker 4 (05:53):
Over twenty eight communities in the north near the border
with Lebanon have had to be evacuated. Has always been
a concern about a two front war. My concern is
even larger than that, and that is that, you know,
if rockets are being fired out of Syria or the
Huti rebels are firing rockets into Israel, that becomes an
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even bigger conflict.
Speaker 1 (06:15):
But I agree with your general point.
Speaker 4 (06:17):
You always said that radical Islamis view Israel as the
little Satan. America is the big Satan. That's a phrase
you've used often.
Speaker 6 (06:26):
They've used it.
Speaker 3 (06:27):
They say America is the great Satan, and we're the
small Satan. We're just a small Satan standing in their
way to get at you, the great Satan, because they
you don't want all these radicals, these terrorists, these monstrous
regimes and organizations. They say, there's no difference between Israel
and the United States. You are them and they are
you because we represent these same values of freedom, respect
(06:49):
for human life, respect for individual liberty. They have nothing
of that. They don't care for their people, they don't
care for liberty, they don't care for life. They glorify death,
They glorified murder. Remember what happened here, I mean what
happened here was that Israel was attacked unprovoked by a
sea of terrorists who stormed into our communities, murdered and
(07:09):
raped women, bird children. I met a soldier today, an
Arab soldier in the Israeli army, who said, the first
thing I saw was the corpse of a woman beheaded.
Speaker 6 (07:21):
They behead women.
Speaker 3 (07:23):
They fired on the youngsters celebrating a music festival. They
put them in a deathbed like in Bobby Are and
the Holocaust, and fired machine guns into them, mowing them down.
Speaker 6 (07:35):
They took hostages.
Speaker 3 (07:36):
They took a ten month old baby hostage. What kind
of monsters hold babies hostages? Holocaust survivors, They took hostages, men, women, children, elderly.
These are monstrous, monstrous terrorists, and they perpetrated the worst
hors against the Jewish people since the Holocaust. And if
we let them get away with it, this barberism will spread.
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You know what, the difference is shown. You know, at
least the Nazis and Stalin. They wanted to hide their crimes.
These people glorify their crime. They bring go pro cameras
for their murderers to show the entire world they celebrated.
Speaker 6 (08:11):
So who's going to win? Are the good guys going
to win? Or the bad guys are going to win?
Speaker 3 (08:15):
And of course we have to make sure that the
forces of good, the forces of peace, the forces of
progress and prosperity, they win and not the forces that
take us back to the dark ages. That's the battle,
and it will affect every single person, not only the
Middle East, but well beyond, because if Israel is in peril,
if the Middle East goes down, Europe is next. It's
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like isis You know, people thought it was a local thing.
Speaker 6 (08:38):
It wasn't.
Speaker 3 (08:39):
It was a global thing, and it affected Americans. It
beheaded Americans. If we don't win now, then Europe is
next and your next, and we have to win. We
have to be asked, there is no substitute for total victory.
Speaker 4 (08:53):
You mentioned the atrocities being chronicled, then they had GoPro cameras.
The IDF has shown people in the media and it's
been described in great detail to me and I have
an appointment to see this as well. All of these
human atrocities that you speak of are on video tape.
You have some forty plus minutes of tape available. I understand,
(09:16):
and I've watched videos of beheadings. These are not images
that one will ever be able to erase from their mind.
And you wouldn't think that such evil exists in this world,
but it does, and these tapes are available for the
world to see. Would it be wise perhaps for the
IDF to pixel out faces so that families are not
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having to deal with the trauma of seeing this, But
let the world see the magnitude of evil that you
are destroying. Yes they rape women, Yes they slaughtered babies
and women and children. Yes they beheaded babies, Yes they
burn babies, all of which much of which has been chronicled.
(10:02):
Would it be worthwhile for the world to fully to
have the moral clarity to understand the barbarism, the monstrous
evil that we're talking about here because it's on videotape.
Speaker 3 (10:15):
Yes, you're quite right. There's sensitivity of the families. We
respect that and we try to persuade them to do
exactly what you said. And I think we're getting somewhere.
We show it to selective leaders in America and elsewhere
in the world, and people, you know, people watch these
tapes and they shudder, some break out into tears because
the inhumanity, the deliberate, not merely the deliberate murder of people,
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the deliberate murdered mutilation, the ripping off of body parts,
the beheading. They are so you know, it's accompanied with
such fiendish glee, the joy of murder, the joy of terror,
the joy of torture. It's just absolutely extraordinary. And this
is the battle we're fighting now. It's a very difficult
enemy to fight because it's committing a double war crime.
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Not only is it deliberately targeting civilians are civilians, but
it's deliberately hiding behind their civilians because they implant themselves
in schools and hospitals, in the UN facilities, in civilian neighborhoods.
That's where they put their rockets, that they that's where
they put their command posts, and they see community there.
And of course we can't give them that immunity. We
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try to do everything in our power to minimize civilian casualties.
But one thing we don't want to do, you know,
everybody says the use of human shields, the use of
civilians as a shield for terrorists, that's wrong, okay, But
we have to make sure that it's not merely condemned.
Speaker 6 (11:37):
We have to make sure that it's ineffective. And if the.
Speaker 3 (11:41):
Blame is directed against Israel, against the victim that is
returning fire with the most judicious use of military power
that's possible in these circumstances. If blame is placed on Israel,
that that tactic becomes effective and will be used again
and again and again. And we can't allow that. In fact,
Hamasis saying they'll do it again and again and again,
(12:02):
and that's why we have to win, root them out completely,
but also send a message to the axis of terror,
you're not gonna win. We're not going to let you
do this. We defeated you here, we'll defeat you elsewhere.
And we should have the entire civilized world line up
beyind behind Israel while it's fight. It fights, this battle
of civilization. It's our common civilization against their common barbarism.
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Civilization must win. So Israel must destroy Khamas to have peace.
If you want peace, destroy Kamas, if you want security,
destroy Kamas. If you want to beat the axis of terror,
destroy Kamas, this is what Israel must do.
Speaker 6 (12:38):
This is what Israel is doing.
Speaker 3 (12:40):
But it's not only doing it for ourselves, for our sake,
it's doing good for your sake too, for our common future,
for the future, a better future for the for the Israel,
for the Palestinians, for the Middle East, for the world.
Speaker 4 (12:55):
You know, when on one of my trips to Israel,
and I've been there a number of times and I've
interviewed you while in Israel, but on one of the
trips where there was a flare up, that was when
I went into one of the terror tunnels. I went,
It's almost one hundred feet underground. It's sophisticated, you know,
almost architecture. And it was all supposed to be humanitarian
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aid for hospitals and schools and infrastructure. But I also
stopped by a city of border city that you know
what else they wrote And while there, you know, prior
to my arrival, they had been hit with ten thousand
rockets in ten years.
Speaker 1 (13:32):
The children cannot play outside.
Speaker 4 (13:34):
They play in bunker underground playgrounds in that city.
Speaker 1 (13:40):
And that's the same with many border cities.
Speaker 4 (13:43):
And I guess when we get to the real heart
of this, doesn't all of this have to be rooted out?
And for example, while the Iron Gnome has been enormously
successful and helpful and intercepted, thousands of missiles can no
longer be a launching pad. I go back to that part.
But also you talk about Hamas must be destroyed.
Speaker 1 (14:07):
What about Hesbolah? Do you believe a victory over.
Speaker 4 (14:10):
Hamas sends a strong enough message that they stop firing
missiles from Lebanon into Israel.
Speaker 3 (14:16):
I think it's a necessary message. May not be sufficient,
but it's definitely necessary because without victory in the south,
you're certainly not going to have deterrence in the north
against Kazbala, and we'll have to deal with that.
Speaker 6 (14:27):
But I think the first step is the first step,
and the first step means Hamas did this.
Speaker 3 (14:32):
Hamas is going to pay for this, and it's going
to pay for this by its total eradication. By the
way you talk about underground tunnels, I mean they've got
a network there of hundreds of kilometers, hundreds of miles
of underground tunnels that are used as terror tunnels, as
command poless command bunkers, and you know what their leader
is like a little Hitler. He's sitting in the bunker
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and he's saying, I don't care about what happens to
the civilian population.
Speaker 6 (14:56):
On top.
Speaker 3 (14:57):
One of the Hamas spokesmen said the other day, you know,
the tunnels, the underground is for us, for this messionic,
violent theological cult that has to be destroyed, and instead
above ground. That's not our responsibility civilian population. That's Israel's
real responsibility in the UN. They don't care a who
about their civilian population. The only one that tries to
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keep them out of harm's way is Israel. We create
safe passages, corridors, we create a safe zone for them,
and as we ask them to leave guests, who's trying
to prevent them from leaving the zone of fighting?
Speaker 6 (15:31):
Commas.
Speaker 3 (15:32):
It's not Israel that is firing in the safe corridor
given to Palestinians, it's Camas. It's not Israel who's trying
to keep these people at gunpoint in the zone of fighting,
it's Commas. So we're dealing here with a brutal enemy
that is committing a double war crime of targeting our
civilians and hiding behind their civilians forcibly keeping them in
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the zone of fighting.
Speaker 6 (15:55):
And I think all.
Speaker 3 (15:56):
Those people who are naive and are you know, who
are either naive or misinformed or worse, are condemning is
well they should be. They really should be ashamed of
themselves because they're aligning themselves with pure, sheer evil. They
should support the forces of civilization that are fighting this barbarism,
because otherwise this barbarism will spread.
Speaker 4 (16:18):
I twenty five to the top of the hour. Thank
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we just heard from the Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin att Yahoo.
Throughout the day today there has been a march for
Israel and washing in DC, our nation's capital. Our friend
of this program, David Shoon, civil rights attorney, is has
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been there throughout the days with us.
Speaker 2 (18:09):
Now, sir, how are you. It's great to be here
all right.
Speaker 4 (18:14):
So obviously the Prime Minister I agree with him completely.
I think this is now a fight for Israel's survival.
I don't think there's any other way to look at it.
And the fact that, you know, we have an administration
that has been pushing and pressuring, and I know the
Prime Minister didn't want to go into it because you know, frankly,
he needs America's support right now, he needs the world
(18:34):
support and getting into a political you know, uh disagreement
which O Biden is not going to help him, you know,
confront not only Daza and Hamas in the south, but
his Bellah and Lebanon in the north, and never mind
the Huti rebels and the missiles being fired out a series.
Speaker 2 (18:52):
So he's in a tough spot, David.
Speaker 6 (18:55):
And that's tough.
Speaker 7 (18:55):
I'm glad to say this. First of all. You know,
it was a great honor to be at the rally today,
a couple of hundred thousand people coming together support for
Israel to stand again, and that is the re of
the hostages. They had a prayer vigil earlier in the
morning six am at the White House. I'm encouraged by that.
But yes, with the administration came out strongly, rigally. But
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now we're seeing statements from Secretary Blincoln and others demanding
a ceasefire at times or a temporary cessation of the
fighting and so on that only only empowers come up.
Israel understands this is a fight for its very existence. Stop,
you know, it allows it come us to regroup.
Speaker 2 (19:40):
Kind yeah, that's exactly what we would do.
Speaker 4 (19:42):
Let me just give you some headlines I went over
earlier in the program today. Uh, if you look at
the New York Post today, they have a headline Iran
agent smeared pose. According to a report, an Irani important
Pentagon aid revealed this year to be part of a
year's long Tehran backed influen and its operation also sought
to undermine the leading you know group resisting the government
(20:06):
of the Iyatola Tomane And according to a report deliver
you know, delivered to President Biden. Then you have the
New York Times reporting today four hundred members of the
Biden administration, more than four hundred political appointees, staff members,
you know, some forty government agencies sending a letter to
Biden on Tuesday protesting his support of Israel in their
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war against Hamas then you have the Washington Free Beacon
as an article out today about a federal program to
help nonprofit groups protect against terror attacks. They've given millions
of dollars to mosques and Islamic groups, some of which
have praised terrorists and called for the destruction of Israel.
(20:49):
And one more also in the Free Beacon is Biden
is now eye new sanctions, a new sanctions waiver that
would hand Iran, the number one state sponsor of terror,
another ten billion dollars.
Speaker 2 (21:01):
What the hell's wrong with him? It's just shocking.
Speaker 7 (21:04):
I mean, this State Department letter with four hundred people.
We've always known the State Department has been Arabis and
anti Semitic, anti Israel, but this is shocking. But all
of that news is just absolutely reprehensible. It's as if
we don't understand that where the United States have to
be a beacon of light for the world, as Israel
is in the Middle East, we have to stand up
the principle. You know, we're complaining now because the other
countries are talking about hitting the hospitals once the hospital
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is used as a command center and pote armament and
that sort of thing. As we know, the hospitals in
Gaza are being used under international humanitary law, they lose
their status as protect targets. That's the bottom line. And
if people want to have a ceasefire cessation, demand the
release of all of the hostages. The whole world should
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be demanding to seventy here, five, here, ten, here, all
of the hostages. We don't negotiate with terrorists. Release these people,
Release the children, release the grand term, all of those.
That's what the US has to stand for me beyond yeah.
Speaker 2 (22:02):
You know I I tend to agree.
Speaker 4 (22:03):
We bring in Bill rich Jacobson rather Cortnell, a law professor.
H Let me remind everybody about the comments made by
a fellow professor of yours about being exhilarated after October seventh,
where's a master.
Speaker 6 (22:19):
Amasta shifted the balance of power.
Speaker 8 (22:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (22:23):
AMAS has punctured the illusion of indisability.
Speaker 6 (22:28):
Yeah, that's what they're done. They don't have to be
an AMAS supporter to recognize that they weren't able to
breathe for the first time of years. It was exhilarating.
It was exhilarating, It was fangising.
Speaker 2 (22:47):
If they weren't acceilarating.
Speaker 3 (22:50):
By this, this challenge to the monopoly of balance.
Speaker 4 (22:54):
By this shifting of the balance of power, then they
would not.
Speaker 1 (22:58):
Be you it.
Speaker 4 (22:59):
I let me ask you, Bill Jacobson, you're a law
professor at Cornell. Did you find it exhilarating with the
slaughter of fourteen hundred people, the raping of innocent women,
the beheading of innocent people, the beheading of children, the
burning of children, the massacre of kids at a concert.
(23:22):
Is that exhilarating by definition in your mind?
Speaker 8 (23:26):
It's obviously not. And it's also not exhilarating to any
supporter of Israel that I know that Palestinian children have
been killed. I mean, we mourn for that, we don't
feel exhilarated by it, we don't celebrate it.
Speaker 2 (23:38):
Well, who is responsible for that?
Speaker 4 (23:39):
Because I would argue Hamas that wouldn't allow civilians to leave,
Hamas that has always been using civilians as human shields,
that they're responsible for this. They started this war, Israel
didn't want this war. Now Israel has to finish the war.
Speaker 8 (23:55):
Absolutely, one hundred percent agree with that point I'm making
is that she felt exhilarated by the death of Jews.
We don't feel exhilarated by the death of Palestinians. We
recognize that it's a war situation, that Israel has military objectives,
They're following the rules of war, they're not targeting civilians.
(24:16):
But my point is how horrible it is that someone
would feel exhilarated about the death of any children.
Speaker 4 (24:23):
Let me ask you the question that I just asked.
David shown this New York Post article about the Iranian
agent depending on aid and the story in the New
York Times about more than four hundred political appointees and
staff members representing forty government agencies sending a letter to
Biden protesting his support of Israel, or the Washington pree
(24:46):
Beacon article on the Biden administration funding even radical mosques
that call for the annihilation of Israel and Biden id
eyeing new sanctions, a new sanctions waiver that could hand
or ran another ten billion dollars.
Speaker 8 (24:59):
You're that yeah, Well, I mean, I think if people remember,
this all goes back to the Obama administration and their
grand bargain to essentially hand the region to Iran. So
this is just a continuation. The Biden foreign policy team
is the Obama foreign policy team, so this is nothing new.
The coddling of the molas, the belief that the Molas
need to stay in power, the mistaken belief that that
(25:23):
somehow will help the United States. So this is all
gets back to the Grand Bargain that the team Obama
wanted to strike with the.
Speaker 4 (25:30):
Molas agree now, David, I mean, it is heartwarming to
see as many people as we saw in Washington today.
Speaker 2 (25:37):
But you know, we're.
Speaker 4 (25:39):
Hearing, you know, all over the world a level of
anti semitism.
Speaker 2 (25:43):
I don't think I ever expected to hear in my life.
Speaker 4 (25:46):
It's in the halls of Congress, It's at our most
prestigious universities, it's at other colleges all around the country.
Speaker 2 (25:53):
You know, it's all throughout Europe. It's happening.
Speaker 4 (25:55):
You know, gas the Jews after Jews in Australia, a chant,
the call for antifada. Uh, you know, from the river
to the sea. How how much more did you ever
think that there was this much anti semitism in the
world and how acceptable it is in these institutions.
Speaker 7 (26:12):
Well, that's the that's the key. That's good part is
especially we've always known symptoms around, but the acceptability now,
the normal ism is absolutely shocking. In Europe, sort of
asked in England, France, and so on. They knew who
they were taking in at the time. This has been
going on for quite a long time. A text on
Jews in the city. But here in America, these are
carring down the posters of kidnapped baby, kidnapped grandparents and
(26:36):
all of that.
Speaker 6 (26:37):
This is just sick.
Speaker 7 (26:38):
These are thugs. I wish we never could have seen
it coming, and I don't think we saw acceptibility coming.
Speaker 4 (26:44):
As you said, yeah, well, it certainly is refreshing to
see the other side of this because all throughout New York,
and you spend a lot enough time here to know.
I passed through and saw one of these pro Hamas rallies.
Speaker 2 (26:59):
Uh you know myself.
Speaker 4 (27:00):
I heard the chanting from the river to the sea
and the call for antifada. I saw Times Square look
like New Year's zeve. There were so many people there,
and I just didn't realize there was so many radicals
amongst us.
Speaker 7 (27:14):
David, Well, listen, what we're seeing in Congress now is unprecedented.
It used to be Cynthia McKinney. Then she was run
out of Congress because she was these people played Omar
Bush and on and on. The hate Squad are absolutely
unadulterated biggots. They are hate mongers that I've said it before.
(27:35):
They are no better than David Duke and they first,
they're more dangerous, certainly David Duke liars and they pose
a real danger.
Speaker 8 (27:44):
Mark.
Speaker 4 (27:44):
All right, quick break, we'll come back. We'll continue more
with David Shoon. He has been all day at the
march for Israel in DC. We'll get to your calls.
Coming up, Greg Jarrett coming up, eight hundred and ninety
four one, Shawn is a number. More with Bill Jacobson
as well as we continue.
Speaker 5 (28:03):
The final hour of the Sean Hannity Show was up
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Speaker 4 (28:19):
All right, we continue now with Bill Jacobson, Cornell Law professor,
and David Shoon, a civil rights attorney. And also he's
been at the march for Israel all day in Washington,
d C. I think we now have to talk about
what Israel needs to do to defend itself. Number One,
they can't listen to the Biden administration and they call
for a temporary cease fire. They've got to win the war.
(28:41):
To me, the definition of winning the war has to
look like this. Bill Jacobson guys that could no longer
be a launching pad for rockets into Israel. Nor can Lebanon,
where hes Bela has been launching. This has been going
on for decades. The Iron Dome, you know, as great
at it as it is, has only been a band aid.
(29:02):
The terror tunnels must all be destroyed. There's network of
hundreds of miles of tunnels that were built by the
leaders of Hamas and others that they have to go away.
If anybody else's firing rockets, they too must be destroyed,
be it the Houti rebels or sympathizers in Syria. And
(29:23):
then you've got this other issue that gets very complicated,
and that is the head of the snake, and that
would be Iran, which has been fighting these proxy wars
and funding these groups and training these groups to attack Israel.
At some point they're going to have to be dealt with,
and that point has got to be before they become
a nuclear armed country.
Speaker 8 (29:41):
Yeah, I think that that's right. I mean Gaza. Israel
has to completely remove Hamas and has to demilitarize Gaza
so that it never rises again. We have a history here.
A few attacks on their infrastructure doesn't do it. They
just come back. They've announced they're going to do this again.
Their spokesman has announced so, and it's Israelis have also
(30:04):
been very clear this is not something that's going to
be a matter of weeks. It's a matter of months.
They're probably going to have to spend six to eight
months because Hamas is so dug in there. Just like
the you know, denotification of Germany took time, so is
the de hamosification of Gaza. And I fear that the
Biden administration, through various means, is going to try to
(30:26):
get Israel to pull up short. And I hope they
have the strength because I think they have the backing
of the American people, even if they don't have the
US State Department, I think they have the backing of
the American people to finish getting rid of Hamas and
finally at least.
Speaker 4 (30:40):
See But I'm saying, and I'll get David's take on this, David,
I'm saying, it's bigger than Hamas. It's also Hezbollah and Lebanon.
It's also the Houti rebels at a Yemen. It's also
you know, those that are firing rockets out of Syria
and then at some point you got to look to,
you know, the origins of all this, and that begins
in Iran.
Speaker 7 (31:01):
Absolutely because of itself. It's not just on Islama Shiahad.
We know the hospital and so you know, I studied
these groups long time when I represented American victims of
Palestinian terror, and I have to tell you a boss
is satakh is really not. They haven't engaged in this
kind of mutilation, barbarism, kamasas, but they are dedicated to
(31:24):
destruction of Israel. A recent poll showed, however, Israeli Arabs
it's something like seventy percent favor living in the country
of of Israel rather than under the authority of a
boss or abas or otherwise. I think, now what we
know the real facts on the grounds by the overwhelming fashion,
(31:45):
So just remove it. Comas isn't going to do it.
It starts with Iran. You're one hundred percent right to
see Iran now for using proxies to attack United States troops.
At some point we have to come to terms with
it as horrible and as dangerous as disease. If they
risk the very existence of the world.
Speaker 4 (31:59):
Their new relationship with China, Russia, North Korea ought to
scare the entire world because that could expedite their desire
to acquire nuclear weapons, and nuclear weapons married to this,
this radical sick you know isis you know, converter dime
mentality is a is an existential threat to everybody in
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