July 29, 2025 • 29 mins
Mark Levin joins Sean Hannity to debut his new book On Power, a sweeping exploration of how political elites use negative power to crush liberty. Together, they dissect America’s founding principles and how the left’s push for centralized government threatens individual sovereignty. From authoritarian Democrats to the rise of wokeism and Marxist ideology, Levin breaks it down with clarity, urgency, and historical depth. A must-listen for anyone who values constitutional freedom and wants to understand the battle ahead.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
I think Scott shan an hour two Sean Hannity's show
Toll Free are numbers eight hundred and nine to four
one Sean, if you want to be a part of
the program. There's no doubt that the books, the great
one my dear friend Mark Levin has written, are impactful, influential,
and I would even argue many of them will be
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studied for decades to come. I don't care if it's
men in black talking about unelected judges that will legislate
from the bench. We see weaponization and what Democrats can
get done electorally what they can't get done legislatively. They
race the liberal courts, they go judge shopping. We've talked
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often about that. Another one. Liberty and Tyranny would be
one that I think will be read decades and decades
from now. Ameritopia would be another one. American Marxism would
be another one. The Democrat Party Hates America would be
another one. And the one that Mark has just written,
it's out today for the first day in bookstores all
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around the country, is right up there with all of
his top best selling books. And it's called On Power.
And I decided I didn't want to race through this
book because it is so relevant. It's ripped right out
of the headlines that we're living today, all of these
new developments through declassification by Tulsea Gabbard. More to come
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with John Ratcliffe, the CIA director, about what the Democrats
have done, how they have abused Donald Trump and abused
the people that voted for him, How they orchestrated a
phony Russia hoax, how they had validated the authenticity of
a very real laptop nobody ever examined it. They prebunked
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it for an entire summer meeting weekly with big tech companies,
knowing the story would drop because they knew Rudy Giuliani's
then attorney, Bob Costello had a copy of it. It
does drop, they won't confirm to big media that reached
out to them social media companies people like Mark Zuckerberg
and Jack Dorsey at the time running Twitter, who said,
is this the Russian disinformation about Hunter and Joe you
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are warning us about or is this real meaning Hunter's laptop.
They had validated its authenticity in March of twenty twenty.
That would be putting cinderblocks on the scales of an election.
So his new book is called on Power, and it
is ripped from today's headlines.
Speaker 2 (02:29):
A great one. Welcome to the program. It's been a while.
How am I? Thank me?
Speaker 1 (02:33):
God bless us? Wow, you look great run radio? How
can I look great on radio? It was great to
see you. It was fun over the weekend because I
got to interview you on your show Life, Liberty and Levin.
I got a lot of positive comments on it. I
haven't seen the ratings yet. I hope they would throw
the roof. Yes, the issue of power, I mean we
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see a power struggle both the republic Republican Party, Democratic Party.
They have coalitions, but we see within the Democratic Party
that the radicals in that party have taken over Kasmin
krock Att, the Squad, Grandpap Bernie, AOC Pocahontas.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
Now this guy, mom Nani and what.
Speaker 1 (03:15):
You write about power and when you apply it to
the headlines that today, you said, throughout the history, throughout history,
from ancient civilizations to modern Western republics, power has been
used to both oppress and to liberate, to reward and
to exploit, to destroy, and to build monarchs, dictators, elites
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who impose tyranny, seek to consolidate power, stripping freedom from individuals.
To maintain control over societies. They use force and deception
to ensure that their rules remain unchallenged, claiming to act
in the name of the common good while stripping individuals
of their freedoms.
Speaker 2 (03:56):
That is a powerful powagraph. Let's start there.
Speaker 3 (03:59):
Well, you know, Sean, I take this word power and
I divide it into positive power. And you're talking there
about negative power. Because I got to thinking, what was
the Revolutionary War really about? You know, we talk about
it very superficially, the Declaration, What does that really mean?
We talk about that at a very surface level, and
I got to thinking it's over power. Because liberty without
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rights is nothing. Rights without power don't exist. And so
God is the sovereign. God gives his children sovereignty over government,
over society. That's us, we the people, and that's where
our government comes from, our country comes from. That's what
makes it so unique. Fused with the Enlightenment. What's the
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enlightenment That power needs to check power, that you need
three branches of government. Again, we don't want mobocracy, pure democracy,
and we don't want dictatorships centralized power. And look at
the beautiful Constitution, the Declaration of the Constitution. You and
I and our audiences are having to spend our lifetimes
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to defend it against what against negative power, against individuals
who reject all of this. They reject the Enlightenment, they
reject the Judeo Christian belief system. That's what makes America unique,
even from other Western democracies, certainly from radical Islam, certainly
from communism. Communism attacks the whole basis for the American founding.
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It is incompatible Marxism, this guy Mandami, all of them,
Bernie Sanders, what they're preaching is incompatible with Americanism and
our experiment. Same with radical Islam, which believes in not
freedom of speech and ideas. They reject the Enlightenment. They
reject at all because that political Islam has never gone
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through the Reformation. They reject the Enlightenment, and their scholars
talk about destroying the West. So they have fused and
the Democrat Party represents this negative power. Now they're not yet,
you know, genocidal in that sense, So it's a soft
negative power. They believe in what I call authoritarian democracy.
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We vote, but it has less and less meaning. We
have a democracy, really republic, but it has less and less,
meaning they spend their entire existence trying to get around
the Constitution, trying to destroy its firewalls, trying to destroy
our culture. You and I, our listeners, We defend all
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these things. So I thought, got to thinking, Sean, let's
figure out a better way to discuss this. Let's get
to the number, the matter and the battle, the battle
today of the people you mentioned in US. It's over power,
That's what it is. And so I take that term
and I try and explain it and unravel it.
Speaker 1 (06:50):
We saw the worst of negative power, and then I'll
get to positive power in a minute. We can go back,
for example, in the last century, and I don't care
if you're talking about Mao in China and Stalin and Russia,
and Hitler and Germany and Mussolini and Tojo in Japan,
and you combine it all together, and we lost well
over one hundred million human souls in the name of
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some ism I wrote about in Live, Fory or Die
socialism and its history of failure. And it's a little
bit different because this when that last century, when you
talk about death and destruction, that is the nth degree
that it can go to. And then you have different
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degrees of whatever manifestation, whatever name you put on its socialism, statism, communism, Marxism.
It's all one and the same in many many ways.
And what I was trying to point out is you
always have these incredible promises that will never be fulfilled.
You end up poorer than when you started, and then
you calculate how much of your freedom you gave up
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in the name of false security. And when you get
to the positive side of power, which you go into
in great detail, you talk about our framers, you talk
about God, and you spend a lot of time on God.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
In this book.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
You talk about our constitution and how they understood that
strong societies are born not from force, by consent of
the governed, and societies building these checks and balances, fair
elections and the preservation of individual rights. But they will
only thrive in that environment. So you have two competing
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forces here.
Speaker 3 (08:30):
But let me be clear, I'm not proselytizing in this book,
as you know, I'm not even good at it. I'm
explaining what the founders of our country did, what they believe.
Let me give an example, because you make a very
good point faith the Judeo Christian belief system people don't
have to be Jewish, they don't have to be Christian,
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they don't believe anything. They could be agnostic, they can
be atheists, they can be Buddhists and Hindus, whatever you want.
But just understand, this country is tolerant. This country embraces
representative constitutional government. This country believes in debate and free
speech and freedom of association. Why because of the way
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it was created with the Judeo Christian faith fused with
the Enlightenment. Who's the Enlightenment, Locke Montesquieu. People like that,
How do I know I'm right? Because our founders said so.
Most of all, Jefferson said so. And so the point
is that that's the kind of society we created. Marx
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attacked our declaration of Independence. He attacked individual he will,
he attacked the idea of unalienable rights. Woodrow Wilson, the
first of the intellectual progressives, I call them American Marxist,
a president who is based on modern day Democrat party
belief systems. He rejected the Declaration of Independence. He wrote
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such he was an American Marxist from Mars. FDR rejected
rejected the Declaration of Independence. FDR comes up with what
he calls the Second Bill of Rights. What is it?
It's literally plagiarized from Stalin's nineteen thirty six constitution, and
they have all these beautiful words and phrases. Sean like
this Mondami. I'm concerned about affordability. He's not concerned about affordability.
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He supports open borders, massive debt, inflation, registribution of wealth,
which kills wealth. He wants to take the means of
production from home, the guy that owns the pizza parlor,
the plumber who has a little business, the means of
production that's your labor, intellectual and physical. It's a constant
war against the sovereign. As the individual, your own circle
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of liberty. It's the constant war on we the people,
we the sovereign, which is why they are endlessly centralizing government,
coming up with governmental answers. And the Democrat Party is
a power hungry party. Look and honestly, we're not power hungry.
We fight for power, positive power. They fight for negative
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power to lurd over us, to have power over us.
This is the big distinction, and I think it would
help us if we make this distinction. Rather than talking
platitudes to younger people and other people to explain, do
you really want this kind of authority in your lives
telling you what to do day in and day on. Now,
some of our fellow citizens do, Okay, that's their problem,
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But I don't believe most Americans, or at least a
majority of Americans, are ready to go in that direction
if it's explained and debated properly.
Speaker 2 (11:40):
All right, quick freak, We'll come right back.
Speaker 1 (11:42):
More with the Great One Mark Levin is brand new
book out today, bookstores around the country. It's called On Power.
Also on Amazon dot Comhanity dot com. You definitely want
to get this book. You want to read it. Get
a copy today, and it goes deep and hard in
the paint, in all the underpinnings of every philosophical and
political battle we have on a daily basis. More with
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the Great One on the other side, as we continue.
Speaker 2 (12:09):
All right, we.
Speaker 1 (12:09):
Continue now with Mark Levin. The Great One is brand
new book out today. It's called On Power, Amazon dot
Comhannity dot com. Bookstores all around the country as of today.
Reagan's famously said the freedom is but one generation away
from extinction. I think we came perilously close in this
last election from maybe getting to the point of no return.
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Maybe that's an overstatement, and maybe you disagree with that.
I don't know how we would have come back with
four more years, maybe eight more years of open borders
and the radical Green New Deal and you know, a
taxpayer funded sex change operations for illegals and convicts and
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feminine products and grade school boys' bathrooms and taxpayer funded
college education, and you know, the Green New Deal, et cetera,
et cetera. I don't know if these policies were implemented,
how you ever unravel them.
Speaker 3 (13:09):
And that's a great point. You see, here's the deal.
Most of these autocracies, as you say, call whatever it
is and you want, they don't rely on majority rule.
They rely on rule if they win one election. They
seek to make permanent changes the Democrat Party has made,
but they hoped were permanent changes through immigration, lack of assimilation,
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to destroy the status quo. The American culture. They don't
even talk about the American culture unless they're attacking it.
Sixteen to nineteen project, attacking our history, CRT, attacking our
Bill of Rights. The Constitution, they said, written by a
bunch of white slave owners. While they wave around the
Constitution but they hate it because the Constitution believes in
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power checking power. That's the genius of the Constitution right there,
power checking power wo Which is why I decided there's
not enough focus on this issue of power. The Democrat
Party is power hungry. They want centralized power, they want
a lord over us. They don't believe in the sovereignty
of the individual. They don't believe in the sovereignty of
we the people. So it's absolutely crucial that we start
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going on the offense rather than playing defense. So this
guy talks about affordability in New York. Really, so where
has Marxism ever provided affordability? Empty shelves, economic dislocation, impoverishment.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
But what else?
Speaker 3 (14:33):
The growing iron fist of a police state that gets
involved in every aspect of your life. That's what he
stands for. That's what they stand for, and that's what
we need to explain.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
All right, Well, take a break, we'll come back more
with the Great One. Mark Levin Is Brandon book is out.
It's called On Power, just release today. It's some bookstores
all around the country. It's on Amazon dot com, it's
on Hannity dot com. All right, we continue with the
Great One. As I call him Mark Levin. We're talking
about his new book. It's called On Power. It's in
bookstores all around the country starting today. It's on Amazon
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dot Com. We have it up on Hannity dot com.
Speaker 2 (15:11):
I wanted to.
Speaker 1 (15:12):
Drill a little deeper into a couple of chapters you
have on this book. And that's negative power and positive power.
I never thought we'd get to a point in a
free America where the government would want to tell us
what cars we can and cannot drive, but we were
getting very close. I never thought we'd get to a
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point that the government would tell us what stoves we
can and cannot use. I never thought they'd want to
pick and choose our refrigerator and freezers and washers and dryers,
or you know, tell us that we can't use plastic
straws anymore. They wanted us to use paper straws. But
that's negative power, you know, define this, explain this, extrapolate
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on this.
Speaker 3 (15:55):
Any government that has the power to tell you what
kind of straw to you use has enormous power way
outside of our constitutional republic, that's for sure. And that's
the point, which is this negative power is about coercion.
It's about conformity and uniformity. It is about re engineering
human beings. It is about rejiggering society. It is about
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turning the culture inside out. It is antithetical to everything
that the Revolution was fought for and our Constitution was
ratified for. This whole idea is imported from Europe. It
is a Marxist mindset, as von Mesi says, and I
quote him in the book A Great Austrian Economist, which
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is we all talk and sound like Marxists. Now you
can even hear some of the populaces. I hear, well,
we ought to give this group this and this group that. Okay, great,
but what is that? It's not liberty, it's redistribution of
wealth by force. Now there needs to be some of it.
There needs to be some tax, There needs to be
some level of a centralized government. But positive power embraces
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that kind of power for the purpose of promoting What
a civil society? What do the democrats want to do
they seek to destroy the civil society. What a Marxist
seek to do destroy the civil society? What are these
fundamentalists Islamis seek to do destroy the civil society? The
French Revolution about the same time as the American Revolution
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was a war on society. The American Revolution was never
a war on society. It was a war on a
far off monarchy that would not allow representative government, representative
consensual government by the people, the sovereign. We we have
unalienable rights, we have free will. That's the point of
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the declaration, that's the point of the founding. And yet
at every turn, whether it is Marxism or Islamism, or
frankly the Democrat Party, what I call soft negative power,
they are trying to seize from us God given liberty
and rights. They're trying to seize from us the American experiment.
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And what I'm saying is we need to start explaining
this as a battle over power. The Democrat Party takes
its identity sadly enough but true, from the Communist Party
in a soft negative power way. They are about empowering
the Democrat Party at all costs, and it has a
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poisonous cancer effect. Let me, let me be Let me
give you an example.
Speaker 2 (18:31):
Wocism. What is wocism.
Speaker 3 (18:33):
Wocism is basically a communist construct.
Speaker 2 (18:35):
What is it.
Speaker 3 (18:36):
We are going to impose new words on you, We're
going to take old words and redefine them. We're going
to take the nuclear family and destroy it. We're going
to take science and pretend it's science when it's not science.
We're going to do all these things. Why for thought control,
for conformity. We don't want the sharing of knowledge. We
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don't want the sharing of information. We don't want to
healthy republic. We want a thought controlled republic of sorts,
in which we impose our views through propaganda and so forth.
It is about controlling your mind, controlling the people. Look
what happened during the pandemic. How quickly the Democrat cities
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and Democrat governors kicked into action. Immediately your liberty was attacked, Immediately,
your mobility was attacked. Immediately everything the nation was found
on became subject to government rule. And that's exactly what
the Democrats believe in. Just listen to how they speak.
And so this battle for the future needs to be
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properly defined. We need to go on offense. This is
a struggle over power, ours as individual, ours as the
sovereign people versus them who wants the lord over us.
Speaker 1 (19:52):
Explain and contrast it to positive power. You spend a
lot of time.
Speaker 3 (19:56):
On that, well, negative positive power is this look at
the Bill of Rights. That's positive power. Why it protects
the individual. Those ten amendments to the Constitution are all
about protecting the individual, all of them. You have do
process rights, you have to get warrants. You have the
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right to bear arms. You have a right to exercise religion,
but nobody has a right to impose the religion on
you. You have a right to free speech and freedom of association,
and so forth and so on. The government can't impose
outrageous finds on you, outrageous jail terms on you. The
ninth Amendment really, to me, is an embodiment of the
Declaration Individual Liberty. The tenth Amendment says, hey, power has
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to check power. We are not creating an all powerful,
centralized government. In fact, we're creating a centralized government powerful
enough to actually do things, but not to devour the society.
To devour the society, negative power is about devouring the
society through government through a relative handful of individuals, masterminds
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of the ruling class. This is why if you listen
carefully to a Bernie Sanders, he goes on and on
about eliminating billionaires, eliminating this get rid of capitalism, because
all of that challenges them. As an example, billionaires, What
do we care if there's one billionaire or one hundred
thousand billionaires, How does that affect you and me, mister
and missus America.
Speaker 2 (21:21):
Not in the least.
Speaker 3 (21:23):
We live better today, whether you're a plumber, electrician, a doctor,
a cop, a firefighter, than any king and queen lived
one hundred years ago. We have more access to more food,
to housing, to transportation, to more than any king or
queen could have dreamed, or for that matter, Mao or
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Stalin or any of the rest of them. Why because
of positive power, because of the emphasis on the individual,
because of the emphasis on we the people. The sovereign
communism or Marxism, radical Islamism, economic socialism are completely incompatible
with the sovereignty of the individual and the sovereignty of
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the people. So this is why I say we need
to make this a battle, a tug of war over power.
We need to go on offense. When some jerk who's
thirty three years old, who has this massive wedding and
you're gone to but comes back here and preaches Marxism,
in Islamism and anti Semitism, that guy needs to be
confronted it's not enough to expose his hypocrisy. It's not
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enough to say, oh, he'll chase out business, so do
all those things. But people need to understand, mister, and
this is America. Need to understand that he's at war
with you. He wants to steal from you your god
given rights, your ability to improve your lot in life,
your ability to live the lifestyle you want to live.
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And he, some thirty three year old, know nothing, like
Castro who was a twenty nine year old, know nothing.
They wish to impose their will on you. And one
of the things in the book I talk about that
I hope we'll get to is the use of language,
the use of.
Speaker 1 (23:02):
When I ask you about that, yes, because you have
a whole chapter on language, and that's what it's called
on language. You know, many years ago, Mark, I read
it was it was sort of like a pamphlet, but
it was fairly comprehensive, and it was a synthesis of
Russian mind control techniques. And the way you express it
in the book is that there is a power of
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language and a power over language. And you said, for
the tyrant, positive speech in the form of free speech
is the gravest threat and then you said conversely, and
to underscore the point, free speech is requisite to all
other freedoms. And language control is mind or thought control.
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If you look at the foundational aspects of wokeism or
group think, isn't it all rooted in this this battle
over language? And it really is a battle over language.
Speaker 3 (23:56):
Are you looking all these well, look look at the Democrats.
The whole of ideas I mentioned is a way to
control communication. Look, the way you improve a society is
if free people are communicating with each other, sharing their knowledge,
sharing policy ideas, sharing their thoughts, sharing their experiences. Okay, great,
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what do you need for that? You need free speech.
You need these channels of free speech, and you need
it especially when the nation is challenged, like during COVID
or whatever. What did the Democrats do?
Speaker 2 (24:30):
What did they do?
Speaker 3 (24:31):
They shut it down as fast as they could. Why,
as we now know, and as many of us knew before,
control control. It's interesting I went back and looked at
liberty and tyrian and I said, often situations like that pandemic,
even though the pandemic hadn't happened, are used for the
government to seize power. And what do they do? They
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seized power from home, from the sovereign, from the people,
from the individual who they said couldn't make decisions on
their own. So I've elected politic icians who have exactly
no experience in science, no experience of any kind in anything.
For the most part, many of them have been lawyers.
Many of them are very wealthy people, but they don't
know anything about anything, and they decide we're going to
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seize control. We're going to make this an issue. We're
going to determine what stores will be open, whether churches
and synagogues can be open, whether you can go on
public parks. That was frightening. That is a lesson to us.
And again it's a reminder, what is this battle over
our power versus their power? The Democrat Party has thrown
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in with the authoritarians. The Democrat Party is about authoritarianism
and the people running against Mandami and the rest. This
is what they need to explain. Hello, this guy is
a want to be Marxist dictator. This guy is an authoritarian.
This guy's trying to steal your liberty. What do we
fight wars for? What do our men go into war for?
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Carrying the American flag? Redistribution of wealth, the control of
the means of production by the government. No. No, we
fight for our system of government. We fight for our sovereignty,
We fight for our liberty. That's what we fight wars over,
not what the Democrat Party is trying to transition this
nation into. The Democrat Party is the American Marxist Party,
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is the Radical Islamist Party. It is not the party
of the individual and prosperity and success and merit.
Speaker 1 (26:27):
All right, quick, freak right back. We'll continue more with
the great One, Mark Levin. His brand new book is
out On Power. It's on Amazon dot Comhanity dot com
and as of today, bookstores all around the country. Up next,
our final roundup and information overload. Our right, we continue
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with the great One, Mark Levin. We're talking about is
brand new book just released today in bookstores around the country.
Speaker 2 (26:58):
It's called On Power.
Speaker 1 (27:00):
You know, when you look at individual rights, I mean,
what it really comes down to is our Americans are
they willing to embrace freedom? And with freedom comes responsibility,
and with freedom comes choice, and with choice comes consequences
for one's.
Speaker 2 (27:18):
Choices in life.
Speaker 1 (27:20):
And to me, it really all comes down to the
individual and the types of decisions they all make in
their lives and whether or not they live under a
governmental system that allows that choice. Our governmental system on
paper allows that choice, although you do have from time
to time politicians pop up that want to even control
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the means of production, like in the case of Mamdani
and doesn't even want civil society by defunding and dismantling
the police and nobeil laws and replacing police with social
workers and everything in between, oh and taxing rich wider neighborhoods.
Speaker 3 (27:57):
More.
Speaker 2 (27:58):
We have about a minute left, Mark.
Speaker 3 (28:00):
Exactly right, and people need to ask themselves, why in
the hell would I surrender my personal liberty, my family's liberty,
my choices, my hard work, Why would I surrender it?
At there's some punk politician who's running around and making
these these obtuse promises. You need to compare something with something.
What they do on the left, what the Marxists do
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and so forth, is they make impracticable and impossible promises.
Compare something to something well.
Speaker 1 (28:29):
Great one another masterpiece. It's called On Power, the Great
One Mark Levin in bookstores as of this very day,
you can stop by any bookstore around the country. Also,
if you want, you can get it on Amazon dot com.
We have a link on Hannity dot com and of
course another number one best seller, guaranteed, Great one Mark Levin.
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This is right up there with all your great books,
and I'm certain that these books will be studied likely
decades and decades from now.
Speaker 2 (28:58):
We appreciate your time, sir.
Speaker 3 (29:00):
Now, I appreciate you greatly, your wonderful, wonderful friend and broadcaster,
and I really hope people will read this and share
it with their kids so we can make sure that
we confront this enemy properly. God bless you, my friend
Speaker 2 (29:12):
The great one, Mark Levin on Power
I think Scott shan an hour two Sean Hannity's show
Toll Free are numbers eight hundred and nine to four
one Sean, if you want to be a part of
the program. There's no doubt that the books, the great
one my dear friend Mark Levin has written, are impactful, influential,
and I would even argue many of them will be
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studied for decades to come. I don't care if it's
men in black talking about unelected judges that will legislate
from the bench. We see weaponization and what Democrats can
get done electorally what they can't get done legislatively. They
race the liberal courts, they go judge shopping. We've talked
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often about that. Another one. Liberty and Tyranny would be
one that I think will be read decades and decades
from now. Ameritopia would be another one. American Marxism would
be another one. The Democrat Party Hates America would be
another one. And the one that Mark has just written,
it's out today for the first day in bookstores all
(01:04):
around the country, is right up there with all of
his top best selling books. And it's called On Power.
And I decided I didn't want to race through this
book because it is so relevant. It's ripped right out
of the headlines that we're living today, all of these
new developments through declassification by Tulsea Gabbard. More to come
(01:26):
with John Ratcliffe, the CIA director, about what the Democrats
have done, how they have abused Donald Trump and abused
the people that voted for him, How they orchestrated a
phony Russia hoax, how they had validated the authenticity of
a very real laptop nobody ever examined it. They prebunked
(01:47):
it for an entire summer meeting weekly with big tech companies,
knowing the story would drop because they knew Rudy Giuliani's
then attorney, Bob Costello had a copy of it. It
does drop, they won't confirm to big media that reached
out to them social media companies people like Mark Zuckerberg
and Jack Dorsey at the time running Twitter, who said,
is this the Russian disinformation about Hunter and Joe you
(02:10):
are warning us about or is this real meaning Hunter's laptop.
They had validated its authenticity in March of twenty twenty.
That would be putting cinderblocks on the scales of an election.
So his new book is called on Power, and it
is ripped from today's headlines.
Speaker 2 (02:29):
A great one. Welcome to the program. It's been a while.
How am I? Thank me?
Speaker 1 (02:33):
God bless us? Wow, you look great run radio? How
can I look great on radio? It was great to
see you. It was fun over the weekend because I
got to interview you on your show Life, Liberty and Levin.
I got a lot of positive comments on it. I
haven't seen the ratings yet. I hope they would throw
the roof. Yes, the issue of power, I mean we
(02:55):
see a power struggle both the republic Republican Party, Democratic Party.
They have coalitions, but we see within the Democratic Party
that the radicals in that party have taken over Kasmin
krock Att, the Squad, Grandpap Bernie, AOC Pocahontas.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
Now this guy, mom Nani and what.
Speaker 1 (03:15):
You write about power and when you apply it to
the headlines that today, you said, throughout the history, throughout history,
from ancient civilizations to modern Western republics, power has been
used to both oppress and to liberate, to reward and
to exploit, to destroy, and to build monarchs, dictators, elites
(03:37):
who impose tyranny, seek to consolidate power, stripping freedom from individuals.
To maintain control over societies. They use force and deception
to ensure that their rules remain unchallenged, claiming to act
in the name of the common good while stripping individuals
of their freedoms.
Speaker 2 (03:56):
That is a powerful powagraph. Let's start there.
Speaker 3 (03:59):
Well, you know, Sean, I take this word power and
I divide it into positive power. And you're talking there
about negative power. Because I got to thinking, what was
the Revolutionary War really about? You know, we talk about
it very superficially, the Declaration, What does that really mean?
We talk about that at a very surface level, and
I got to thinking it's over power. Because liberty without
(04:20):
rights is nothing. Rights without power don't exist. And so
God is the sovereign. God gives his children sovereignty over government,
over society. That's us, we the people, and that's where
our government comes from, our country comes from. That's what
makes it so unique. Fused with the Enlightenment. What's the
(04:41):
enlightenment That power needs to check power, that you need
three branches of government. Again, we don't want mobocracy, pure democracy,
and we don't want dictatorships centralized power. And look at
the beautiful Constitution, the Declaration of the Constitution. You and
I and our audiences are having to spend our lifetimes
(05:02):
to defend it against what against negative power, against individuals
who reject all of this. They reject the Enlightenment, they
reject the Judeo Christian belief system. That's what makes America unique,
even from other Western democracies, certainly from radical Islam, certainly
from communism. Communism attacks the whole basis for the American founding.
(05:26):
It is incompatible Marxism, this guy Mandami, all of them,
Bernie Sanders, what they're preaching is incompatible with Americanism and
our experiment. Same with radical Islam, which believes in not
freedom of speech and ideas. They reject the Enlightenment. They
reject at all because that political Islam has never gone
(05:48):
through the Reformation. They reject the Enlightenment, and their scholars
talk about destroying the West. So they have fused and
the Democrat Party represents this negative power. Now they're not yet,
you know, genocidal in that sense, So it's a soft
negative power. They believe in what I call authoritarian democracy.
(06:10):
We vote, but it has less and less meaning. We
have a democracy, really republic, but it has less and less,
meaning they spend their entire existence trying to get around
the Constitution, trying to destroy its firewalls, trying to destroy
our culture. You and I, our listeners, We defend all
(06:31):
these things. So I thought, got to thinking, Sean, let's
figure out a better way to discuss this. Let's get
to the number, the matter and the battle, the battle
today of the people you mentioned in US. It's over power,
That's what it is. And so I take that term
and I try and explain it and unravel it.
Speaker 1 (06:50):
We saw the worst of negative power, and then I'll
get to positive power in a minute. We can go back,
for example, in the last century, and I don't care
if you're talking about Mao in China and Stalin and Russia,
and Hitler and Germany and Mussolini and Tojo in Japan,
and you combine it all together, and we lost well
over one hundred million human souls in the name of
(07:13):
some ism I wrote about in Live, Fory or Die
socialism and its history of failure. And it's a little
bit different because this when that last century, when you
talk about death and destruction, that is the nth degree
that it can go to. And then you have different
(07:33):
degrees of whatever manifestation, whatever name you put on its socialism, statism, communism, Marxism.
It's all one and the same in many many ways.
And what I was trying to point out is you
always have these incredible promises that will never be fulfilled.
You end up poorer than when you started, and then
you calculate how much of your freedom you gave up
(07:54):
in the name of false security. And when you get
to the positive side of power, which you go into
in great detail, you talk about our framers, you talk
about God, and you spend a lot of time on God.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
In this book.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
You talk about our constitution and how they understood that
strong societies are born not from force, by consent of
the governed, and societies building these checks and balances, fair
elections and the preservation of individual rights. But they will
only thrive in that environment. So you have two competing
(08:28):
forces here.
Speaker 3 (08:30):
But let me be clear, I'm not proselytizing in this book,
as you know, I'm not even good at it. I'm
explaining what the founders of our country did, what they believe.
Let me give an example, because you make a very
good point faith the Judeo Christian belief system people don't
have to be Jewish, they don't have to be Christian,
(08:51):
they don't believe anything. They could be agnostic, they can
be atheists, they can be Buddhists and Hindus, whatever you want.
But just understand, this country is tolerant. This country embraces
representative constitutional government. This country believes in debate and free
speech and freedom of association. Why because of the way
(09:15):
it was created with the Judeo Christian faith fused with
the Enlightenment. Who's the Enlightenment, Locke Montesquieu. People like that,
How do I know I'm right? Because our founders said so.
Most of all, Jefferson said so. And so the point
is that that's the kind of society we created. Marx
(09:36):
attacked our declaration of Independence. He attacked individual he will,
he attacked the idea of unalienable rights. Woodrow Wilson, the
first of the intellectual progressives, I call them American Marxist,
a president who is based on modern day Democrat party
belief systems. He rejected the Declaration of Independence. He wrote
(09:58):
such he was an American Marxist from Mars. FDR rejected
rejected the Declaration of Independence. FDR comes up with what
he calls the Second Bill of Rights. What is it?
It's literally plagiarized from Stalin's nineteen thirty six constitution, and
they have all these beautiful words and phrases. Sean like
this Mondami. I'm concerned about affordability. He's not concerned about affordability.
(10:23):
He supports open borders, massive debt, inflation, registribution of wealth,
which kills wealth. He wants to take the means of
production from home, the guy that owns the pizza parlor,
the plumber who has a little business, the means of
production that's your labor, intellectual and physical. It's a constant
war against the sovereign. As the individual, your own circle
(10:45):
of liberty. It's the constant war on we the people,
we the sovereign, which is why they are endlessly centralizing government,
coming up with governmental answers. And the Democrat Party is
a power hungry party. Look and honestly, we're not power hungry.
We fight for power, positive power. They fight for negative
(11:07):
power to lurd over us, to have power over us.
This is the big distinction, and I think it would
help us if we make this distinction. Rather than talking
platitudes to younger people and other people to explain, do
you really want this kind of authority in your lives
telling you what to do day in and day on. Now,
some of our fellow citizens do, Okay, that's their problem,
(11:30):
But I don't believe most Americans, or at least a
majority of Americans, are ready to go in that direction
if it's explained and debated properly.
Speaker 2 (11:40):
All right, quick freak, We'll come right back.
Speaker 1 (11:42):
More with the Great One Mark Levin is brand new
book out today, bookstores around the country. It's called On Power.
Also on Amazon dot Comhanity dot com. You definitely want
to get this book. You want to read it. Get
a copy today, and it goes deep and hard in
the paint, in all the underpinnings of every philosophical and
political battle we have on a daily basis. More with
(12:04):
the Great One on the other side, as we continue.
Speaker 2 (12:09):
All right, we.
Speaker 1 (12:09):
Continue now with Mark Levin. The Great One is brand
new book out today. It's called On Power, Amazon dot
Comhannity dot com. Bookstores all around the country as of today.
Reagan's famously said the freedom is but one generation away
from extinction. I think we came perilously close in this
last election from maybe getting to the point of no return.
(12:32):
Maybe that's an overstatement, and maybe you disagree with that.
I don't know how we would have come back with
four more years, maybe eight more years of open borders
and the radical Green New Deal and you know, a
taxpayer funded sex change operations for illegals and convicts and
(12:54):
feminine products and grade school boys' bathrooms and taxpayer funded
college education, and you know, the Green New Deal, et cetera,
et cetera. I don't know if these policies were implemented,
how you ever unravel them.
Speaker 3 (13:09):
And that's a great point. You see, here's the deal.
Most of these autocracies, as you say, call whatever it
is and you want, they don't rely on majority rule.
They rely on rule if they win one election. They
seek to make permanent changes the Democrat Party has made,
but they hoped were permanent changes through immigration, lack of assimilation,
(13:33):
to destroy the status quo. The American culture. They don't
even talk about the American culture unless they're attacking it.
Sixteen to nineteen project, attacking our history, CRT, attacking our
Bill of Rights. The Constitution, they said, written by a
bunch of white slave owners. While they wave around the
Constitution but they hate it because the Constitution believes in
(13:53):
power checking power. That's the genius of the Constitution right there,
power checking power wo Which is why I decided there's
not enough focus on this issue of power. The Democrat
Party is power hungry. They want centralized power, they want
a lord over us. They don't believe in the sovereignty
of the individual. They don't believe in the sovereignty of
we the people. So it's absolutely crucial that we start
(14:18):
going on the offense rather than playing defense. So this
guy talks about affordability in New York. Really, so where
has Marxism ever provided affordability? Empty shelves, economic dislocation, impoverishment.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
But what else?
Speaker 3 (14:33):
The growing iron fist of a police state that gets
involved in every aspect of your life. That's what he
stands for. That's what they stand for, and that's what
we need to explain.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
All right, Well, take a break, we'll come back more
with the Great One. Mark Levin Is Brandon book is out.
It's called On Power, just release today. It's some bookstores
all around the country. It's on Amazon dot com, it's
on Hannity dot com. All right, we continue with the
Great One. As I call him Mark Levin. We're talking
about his new book. It's called On Power. It's in
bookstores all around the country starting today. It's on Amazon
(15:08):
dot Com. We have it up on Hannity dot com.
Speaker 2 (15:11):
I wanted to.
Speaker 1 (15:12):
Drill a little deeper into a couple of chapters you
have on this book. And that's negative power and positive power.
I never thought we'd get to a point in a
free America where the government would want to tell us
what cars we can and cannot drive, but we were
getting very close. I never thought we'd get to a
(15:33):
point that the government would tell us what stoves we
can and cannot use. I never thought they'd want to
pick and choose our refrigerator and freezers and washers and dryers,
or you know, tell us that we can't use plastic
straws anymore. They wanted us to use paper straws. But
that's negative power, you know, define this, explain this, extrapolate
(15:54):
on this.
Speaker 3 (15:55):
Any government that has the power to tell you what
kind of straw to you use has enormous power way
outside of our constitutional republic, that's for sure. And that's
the point, which is this negative power is about coercion.
It's about conformity and uniformity. It is about re engineering
human beings. It is about rejiggering society. It is about
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turning the culture inside out. It is antithetical to everything
that the Revolution was fought for and our Constitution was
ratified for. This whole idea is imported from Europe. It
is a Marxist mindset, as von Mesi says, and I
quote him in the book A Great Austrian Economist, which
(16:42):
is we all talk and sound like Marxists. Now you
can even hear some of the populaces. I hear, well,
we ought to give this group this and this group that. Okay, great,
but what is that? It's not liberty, it's redistribution of
wealth by force. Now there needs to be some of it.
There needs to be some tax, There needs to be
some level of a centralized government. But positive power embraces
(17:06):
that kind of power for the purpose of promoting What
a civil society? What do the democrats want to do
they seek to destroy the civil society. What a Marxist
seek to do destroy the civil society? What are these
fundamentalists Islamis seek to do destroy the civil society? The
French Revolution about the same time as the American Revolution
(17:26):
was a war on society. The American Revolution was never
a war on society. It was a war on a
far off monarchy that would not allow representative government, representative
consensual government by the people, the sovereign. We we have
unalienable rights, we have free will. That's the point of
(17:46):
the declaration, that's the point of the founding. And yet
at every turn, whether it is Marxism or Islamism, or
frankly the Democrat Party, what I call soft negative power,
they are trying to seize from us God given liberty
and rights. They're trying to seize from us the American experiment.
(18:06):
And what I'm saying is we need to start explaining
this as a battle over power. The Democrat Party takes
its identity sadly enough but true, from the Communist Party
in a soft negative power way. They are about empowering
the Democrat Party at all costs, and it has a
(18:27):
poisonous cancer effect. Let me, let me be Let me
give you an example.
Speaker 2 (18:31):
Wocism. What is wocism.
Speaker 3 (18:33):
Wocism is basically a communist construct.
Speaker 2 (18:35):
What is it.
Speaker 3 (18:36):
We are going to impose new words on you, We're
going to take old words and redefine them. We're going
to take the nuclear family and destroy it. We're going
to take science and pretend it's science when it's not science.
We're going to do all these things. Why for thought control,
for conformity. We don't want the sharing of knowledge. We
(18:57):
don't want the sharing of information. We don't want to
healthy republic. We want a thought controlled republic of sorts,
in which we impose our views through propaganda and so forth.
It is about controlling your mind, controlling the people. Look
what happened during the pandemic. How quickly the Democrat cities
(19:19):
and Democrat governors kicked into action. Immediately your liberty was attacked, Immediately,
your mobility was attacked. Immediately everything the nation was found
on became subject to government rule. And that's exactly what
the Democrats believe in. Just listen to how they speak.
And so this battle for the future needs to be
(19:40):
properly defined. We need to go on offense. This is
a struggle over power, ours as individual, ours as the
sovereign people versus them who wants the lord over us.
Speaker 1 (19:52):
Explain and contrast it to positive power. You spend a
lot of time.
Speaker 3 (19:56):
On that, well, negative positive power is this look at
the Bill of Rights. That's positive power. Why it protects
the individual. Those ten amendments to the Constitution are all
about protecting the individual, all of them. You have do
process rights, you have to get warrants. You have the
(20:17):
right to bear arms. You have a right to exercise religion,
but nobody has a right to impose the religion on
you. You have a right to free speech and freedom of association,
and so forth and so on. The government can't impose
outrageous finds on you, outrageous jail terms on you. The
ninth Amendment really, to me, is an embodiment of the
Declaration Individual Liberty. The tenth Amendment says, hey, power has
(20:39):
to check power. We are not creating an all powerful,
centralized government. In fact, we're creating a centralized government powerful
enough to actually do things, but not to devour the society.
To devour the society, negative power is about devouring the
society through government through a relative handful of individuals, masterminds
(21:01):
of the ruling class. This is why if you listen
carefully to a Bernie Sanders, he goes on and on
about eliminating billionaires, eliminating this get rid of capitalism, because
all of that challenges them. As an example, billionaires, What
do we care if there's one billionaire or one hundred
thousand billionaires, How does that affect you and me, mister
and missus America.
Speaker 2 (21:21):
Not in the least.
Speaker 3 (21:23):
We live better today, whether you're a plumber, electrician, a doctor,
a cop, a firefighter, than any king and queen lived
one hundred years ago. We have more access to more food,
to housing, to transportation, to more than any king or
queen could have dreamed, or for that matter, Mao or
(21:44):
Stalin or any of the rest of them. Why because
of positive power, because of the emphasis on the individual,
because of the emphasis on we the people. The sovereign
communism or Marxism, radical Islamism, economic socialism are completely incompatible
with the sovereignty of the individual and the sovereignty of
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the people. So this is why I say we need
to make this a battle, a tug of war over power.
We need to go on offense. When some jerk who's
thirty three years old, who has this massive wedding and
you're gone to but comes back here and preaches Marxism,
in Islamism and anti Semitism, that guy needs to be
confronted it's not enough to expose his hypocrisy. It's not
(22:27):
enough to say, oh, he'll chase out business, so do
all those things. But people need to understand, mister, and
this is America. Need to understand that he's at war
with you. He wants to steal from you your god
given rights, your ability to improve your lot in life,
your ability to live the lifestyle you want to live.
(22:47):
And he, some thirty three year old, know nothing, like
Castro who was a twenty nine year old, know nothing.
They wish to impose their will on you. And one
of the things in the book I talk about that
I hope we'll get to is the use of language,
the use of.
Speaker 1 (23:02):
When I ask you about that, yes, because you have
a whole chapter on language, and that's what it's called
on language. You know, many years ago, Mark, I read
it was it was sort of like a pamphlet, but
it was fairly comprehensive, and it was a synthesis of
Russian mind control techniques. And the way you express it
in the book is that there is a power of
(23:23):
language and a power over language. And you said, for
the tyrant, positive speech in the form of free speech
is the gravest threat and then you said conversely, and
to underscore the point, free speech is requisite to all
other freedoms. And language control is mind or thought control.
(23:44):
If you look at the foundational aspects of wokeism or
group think, isn't it all rooted in this this battle
over language? And it really is a battle over language.
Speaker 3 (23:56):
Are you looking all these well, look look at the Democrats.
The whole of ideas I mentioned is a way to
control communication. Look, the way you improve a society is
if free people are communicating with each other, sharing their knowledge,
sharing policy ideas, sharing their thoughts, sharing their experiences. Okay, great,
(24:17):
what do you need for that? You need free speech.
You need these channels of free speech, and you need
it especially when the nation is challenged, like during COVID
or whatever. What did the Democrats do?
Speaker 2 (24:30):
What did they do?
Speaker 3 (24:31):
They shut it down as fast as they could. Why,
as we now know, and as many of us knew before,
control control. It's interesting I went back and looked at
liberty and tyrian and I said, often situations like that pandemic,
even though the pandemic hadn't happened, are used for the
government to seize power. And what do they do? They
(24:51):
seized power from home, from the sovereign, from the people,
from the individual who they said couldn't make decisions on
their own. So I've elected politic icians who have exactly
no experience in science, no experience of any kind in anything.
For the most part, many of them have been lawyers.
Many of them are very wealthy people, but they don't
know anything about anything, and they decide we're going to
(25:14):
seize control. We're going to make this an issue. We're
going to determine what stores will be open, whether churches
and synagogues can be open, whether you can go on
public parks. That was frightening. That is a lesson to us.
And again it's a reminder, what is this battle over
our power versus their power? The Democrat Party has thrown
(25:34):
in with the authoritarians. The Democrat Party is about authoritarianism
and the people running against Mandami and the rest. This
is what they need to explain. Hello, this guy is
a want to be Marxist dictator. This guy is an authoritarian.
This guy's trying to steal your liberty. What do we
fight wars for? What do our men go into war for?
(25:56):
Carrying the American flag? Redistribution of wealth, the control of
the means of production by the government. No. No, we
fight for our system of government. We fight for our sovereignty,
We fight for our liberty. That's what we fight wars over,
not what the Democrat Party is trying to transition this
nation into. The Democrat Party is the American Marxist Party,
(26:19):
is the Radical Islamist Party. It is not the party
of the individual and prosperity and success and merit.
Speaker 1 (26:27):
All right, quick, freak right back. We'll continue more with
the great One, Mark Levin. His brand new book is
out On Power. It's on Amazon dot Comhanity dot com
and as of today, bookstores all around the country. Up next,
our final roundup and information overload. Our right, we continue
(26:52):
with the great One, Mark Levin. We're talking about is
brand new book just released today in bookstores around the country.
Speaker 2 (26:58):
It's called On Power.
Speaker 1 (27:00):
You know, when you look at individual rights, I mean,
what it really comes down to is our Americans are
they willing to embrace freedom? And with freedom comes responsibility,
and with freedom comes choice, and with choice comes consequences
for one's.
Speaker 2 (27:18):
Choices in life.
Speaker 1 (27:20):
And to me, it really all comes down to the
individual and the types of decisions they all make in
their lives and whether or not they live under a
governmental system that allows that choice. Our governmental system on
paper allows that choice, although you do have from time
to time politicians pop up that want to even control
(27:41):
the means of production, like in the case of Mamdani
and doesn't even want civil society by defunding and dismantling
the police and nobeil laws and replacing police with social
workers and everything in between, oh and taxing rich wider neighborhoods.
Speaker 3 (27:57):
More.
Speaker 2 (27:58):
We have about a minute left, Mark.
Speaker 3 (28:00):
Exactly right, and people need to ask themselves, why in
the hell would I surrender my personal liberty, my family's liberty,
my choices, my hard work, Why would I surrender it?
At there's some punk politician who's running around and making
these these obtuse promises. You need to compare something with something.
What they do on the left, what the Marxists do
(28:22):
and so forth, is they make impracticable and impossible promises.
Compare something to something well.
Speaker 1 (28:29):
Great one another masterpiece. It's called On Power, the Great
One Mark Levin in bookstores as of this very day,
you can stop by any bookstore around the country. Also,
if you want, you can get it on Amazon dot com.
We have a link on Hannity dot com and of
course another number one best seller, guaranteed, Great one Mark Levin.
(28:51):
This is right up there with all your great books,
and I'm certain that these books will be studied likely
decades and decades from now.
Speaker 2 (28:58):
We appreciate your time, sir.
Speaker 3 (29:00):
Now, I appreciate you greatly, your wonderful, wonderful friend and broadcaster,
and I really hope people will read this and share
it with their kids so we can make sure that
we confront this enemy properly. God bless you, my friend
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