September 1, 2025 • 20 mins
On this episode of the Sean Hannity Show, the spotlight is on allegations surrounding President Biden's use of the auto pen for issuing last-minute pardons and commutations, a practice now under intense scrutiny. Hannity hosts Oversight Project president Mike Howell, who explains that internal Department of Justice communications warned the White House that these auto pen-signed warrants might not be legally valid, especially those involving violent offenders. The segment reveals claims of limited direct interaction between Biden and his staff, heightening concerns about decision-making and cognitive abilities. Later, civil rights attorney Leo Terrell joins to discuss the alarming rise of anti-Semitism in the U.S., highlighting the issue's prevalence on campuses and in the media, as well as Trump's efforts to address it. The show emphasizes the legal and societal stakes of both controversies, with calls for stronger leadership and accountability.
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
Well, we have come in your way. Get Thomas saying
you a constant sound will be desire and if you
want a little banging, I come along. And it is
a big day.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
I think either way it's a big day.
Speaker 3 (00:25):
But if we get this solved, it's a really big
day because we're going to save a lot of lives.
Speaker 1 (00:30):
Do you then decide, Okay, we're gonna use mustard gas
and civilians. The what Trump ordered abba to do in
Texas is mustard gas and democracy.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
And the perception of this of the Biden presidency is
just a weak and ineffective presidency.
Speaker 1 (00:43):
But the fact of the matter is his legacy is
Donald Trump came back.
Speaker 4 (00:46):
Freedom is back in style, Welcome to the Revolution.
Speaker 1 (00:53):
Coming.
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Thousand and saying you accounts.
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Speaker 1 (01:13):
All right, thanks Scott. You on an hour two Sean
Hannity Show, eight hundred and nine four one. Shawn is
on number. If you want to be a part of
the program. We have a lot of news that we're
going to be breaking in the course of this show.
Today one we're going to update you on the auto
pen issue and the Joe cognitive decline issue. We'll get
to that in a second. John Solomon has some huge
(01:36):
breaking news, uh pretty much smoking gun breaking news regarding
James Comy. We'll get to that today. Also Senator Tom
Cotton on what's going on in DC and Ukraine and
Russia and Leo two point zero Torell the President going
out following in the on the heels of the trip
by Pete Hagsath, Stephen Miller, and JD. Vans yesterday in
(02:00):
the streets of DC. We do have an update on
that through the liberal media won't report too much on
a DC's had a murder free week in seventy seven
more arrests in the federal takeover in the National Guard
protecting the people in our nation's capital. It's unbelievably shocking
to imagine that if all the capitals of every country
(02:24):
in the world, we have the highest homicide rate per
capita for one hundred thousand by more than double, nearly
triple the next highest country. And we're talking about Baghdad
and Nel Salvador and you know, Mexico City. I mean,
you would think America's capital would be the safest, not
(02:45):
even close. So they're trying to restore law and order
and safety and security for people there. This is getting
fascinating and more fascinating by the day. One of President
Biden's staunchest defenders in the last year of his presidency
has been this guy, Ian Sam's, and James Comer is
(03:05):
now saying after an interview that took place with mister
Sam's today that he thinks that this might be the
most informative interview in this probe so far. And Comer's
taking the lead in terms of these closed door transcribed interviews,
and today was Ian Sam's turn, who served as the
top spokesperson on matters related to congressional investigations and other
(03:28):
probes during the latter two years of the Biden administration,
he said, quote that was probably the most informative transcribed
interview splash deposition we have had thus far. Let me
play Comer in his own words and what he has
to say. Listen, I mean, I can't say this enough.
Speaker 3 (03:47):
I want to say this one more time, so everyone
ever since Ian Sam's, who was the White House spokesperson
for a significant amount of Joe Widen Simon's President, interacted
with him two times two times, so you know, we're
going to continue to bring people in. And again, this
(04:10):
this person, Ian Sam's is the one that would would
counter everything Robert Hurr or anytime anyone would suggest that
Joe Biden wasn't mentally fit, he would say, no, He's
at the top of his game. Every time he tweeted
out and there several times he gave interviews on MSNBC.
Every time I've interacted with the President, he was sharp,
he asked great questions in there under oath. He interacted
(04:33):
with President two times the entire time, the entire time
he worked in the White House.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
That's astonishing.
Speaker 1 (04:40):
It really is stunning, and it does bring into focus
the level of cover up in terms of nobody really
got to see Biden accept that very small group of
people that I would argue, knew damn well that he
was in a full, significant, serious cognitive decline. That raises
the issue. As The New York Times had pointed out out, Okay,
(05:00):
Joe Biden set down criteria standards for commutations and pardons,
but then they used the auto pen. But we don't
know who authorized the use of the auto pen, and
we don't believe that Joe Biden authorized every commutation and
every pardon. Anyway, Mike Howell's with US President of the
Oversight Project, leading figure in uncovering the autopen scandal. He
(05:24):
has more information on this as well, because the top
Justice Department official warned the Biden administration that thousands of
last minute pardons signed by Auto pen were legally flawed
and went against President Biden's intentions of granting clemency to
violent offenders who killed children and police officers. All right,
what are we learning, Mike Cowell, welcome back.
Speaker 2 (05:46):
Hey, thanks for having me on. So it's a bombshell document.
It's an email in black and white. So we got
to take it back to January seventeenth, the final days
of the Biden administration, and the White House announces a
record setting pardoning and commutation of non violent drug offenders.
That's how they styled it. And there's a press release
(06:08):
that you know, says it's from Biden, but as you know,
we're hearing from me and Sam's who knows who wrote
the press releaser, who it really came from, but bragging
about the scale of what they did. So fast forward
just one day on Saturday morning, the top lawyer at
doj for office. Merrick Garland's right hand career official writes
a highly unusual and emphatic email to the White House
(06:31):
saying these are not legal. We cannot effectuate and execute
these as it currently stands, I mean, lifts out all
the reasons. One of the biggest ones is on the
face of these what's called a warrants, which is, you know,
the documents that effectuates the commutation. It doesn't even describe
what they need to do. And if they were to
(06:52):
take it at its word, it necessarily would apply to
guess what violent criminals, and it did and they were
released from jail. I'm talking about people who killed cops,
who killed children, who killed witnesses, the worst of the worst.
And so for the first time we have evidence of
Biden officials in writing saying this autofense strategy is illegal
(07:13):
in not working in its practice and implementation.
Speaker 1 (07:16):
All right, let's go through some of what you found here.
Four specific points. The language offenses described to the Department
of Justice in the warrant is highly problematic, and in
order to resolve its meaning appropriately and consistent with the
President's intent, we will need a statement or direction from
the President on how to interpret the language. And let's
(07:37):
go through the four possibilities that they lay out in
this piece, starting with the commutation applying to all federal offenses,
and explain why it's problematic.
Speaker 2 (07:46):
In your mind, it's problematic because the documents that effects you.
It's the warrant needs to actually describe the offenses and
the people. Keep in mind how ahistorical this was, and
that's what Biden was bragging about scale of the whole thing.
But for it to actually legally work, you have to
name the people and the offenses that they committed, and
(08:07):
the warrant did not do that. And so here you
have DJ saying, we can't interpret this with how you've
done it, and to do it like and its logical
kind of construction would apply to basically this wide universe
of people that I don't think the president wants out.
Who in their right mind would want these violent criminals
and gang bangers out. They don't match the rhetoric of
(08:29):
even the furthest left advocacy groups. And so that's what
he's basically saying. And the other examples there are basically
his best attempt from DJ. We're going to need to
fix this. It's badly broken. Now here are four ways
to fix it. And those are the other examples that
he walks through, but they're all revolve around one thing.
Sean clarification from guests who the President of the United States,
(08:54):
because that's what doing this needs to do. Part in
the communications. It's a special power in our Constitution reserved
to one person, one person alone, and that is the
President of the United States. And so dear j is
screaming basically, if you read this email, we need that
one guy to tell us what he actually means, because
(09:14):
this autopen strategy cannot hold up.
Speaker 4 (09:17):
Well.
Speaker 1 (09:17):
Remember when the New York Times wrote that he was
setting down criteria and standards, and it heavily implied and
pretty much outright said that he didn't approve each one himself.
And we still to this day don't know who authorized
the use of the auto pen. And then we have
this whole issue of was Joe even cognitively aware enough
(09:38):
and mentally strong enough to even make the decision.
Speaker 2 (09:41):
That's absolutely right, and so that New York Times article.
Keep in mind, the oversight project in March went public
with our artif and investigation, and the New York Times
covered it, but they called it a conspiracy theory, Seana
and their reporters. That was their narrative on it in March.
Well you pass forored a month ago. Enough damage had
and done that. Finally, the Biden camp decided they needed
(10:02):
to do something. His legacy will be defined by the
autopend and whether he likes it or not, that's where
it's at. And so they went to the New York
Times gave a ten minute interview in which The New
York Times have not released the audio tape of the
Biden interview, by the way, in which Biden, basically, if
you're to believe the New York Times, made the limited
disclosure of admitting, yeah, okay, I didn't do this stuff,
(10:25):
but hey, I did enough. I said broad categories and
his admission there is enough for all of these things
to fall because.
Speaker 1 (10:32):
As we just outlined, when you say faull, that would
invalidate them. Correct.
Speaker 2 (10:37):
Correct, and then mayor of mind everyone President Trump already
has he said it over and over again. He put
it out true social and may that all these are
null and void. And I mean, here's where things get
really interesting, Sean. Some of the commutations, which for your
viewers is a little different than a part and it's
a shortening of the sentence. Guess what, some of those
people are still in jail, and so President Trump could
(11:01):
refuse to release them. One of the guys, a crack
cocaine Kingtin, is being released today and he's got one
of these no good part in commutations. And so this
is a case in which we hope, and we've called
on ag Bondi and others, let's get the ball moving
and start knocking some of these out. And the easiest
way to do it, and we'll get to ship and
everyone else later, is to do no more harm and
(11:22):
to release none of these people that are still in
jail back into the street. And frankly, I'd like to
see those that have already been released re arrested and
put back in prison because they don't belong on our streets.
Speaker 1 (11:32):
Quick break more with Mike Howell. He's the president of
the Oversight Project, leading figure in uncovering the autopen scandal.
And what a hearing today with Ian Sam's who admitted
he only talked to Biden saw Biden two times. And
this guy has been saying it's a conspiracy theory. Anybody
that says that Joe is a cognitive mess. Also new
(11:54):
details on how Biden's own Justice Department absolutely Warren Biden
that the process they were using for these last minute
pardons were not going to hold muster, that they weren't legal.
We'll break all that down and more as we continue.
All right, we continue, Mike Howllin's with US president of
the Oversight Project. We're now discovering that the number two
(12:18):
of the doj of Joe Biden warning these last minute
of pardons and commutations were not going to hold up legally,
especially by the President not making this election himself and
the autopen issue coming into real focus now and all
of them will be invalidated in my view over time.
Let me put a little more emphasis on items three
and four in the letter that you're describing. Again, this
(12:41):
is Merrick Garland's number two is right hand man, if
you will point three. Because no offensive offenses have been
described to the department from the president, the commutations do
not take effect. Now, this is Biden's Justice Department, just
in the final hours of administration. It goes on in
(13:02):
essence describing offenses to the department as a conditioned precedent
to the commutations being effective and without a description, they
do not take effect. I have no idea what interpretation
the incoming administration will give to the warrant, but they
may find the interpretation attractive as it gives effect to
the language but does not go beyond the four corners
(13:26):
of the warrant. Last point, there is yet to come
clear direction from the President giving meaning to the language
for the offenses described to the DOJ. Ideally, this would
be a list of each inmate listing the offenses that
are covered by the commutation. By far, this is the
clearest and least problematic alternative. Given the above, I think
(13:49):
the best that we receive is a statement of direction
from the President as to the meaning of the warrant language.
This will then allow us to give the full effect
of the commutation warrant in the manner intended by the President.
They didn't do any of this. I mean, this is
their top lawyer, one of this number two lawyer of
justice saying, guys, wake up, this ain't going to take effect.
Speaker 2 (14:13):
That's exactly right. He's begging for direction. He's saying, help
me clean up your mess, give me something that we
can use to actually put these into motion, because they
just are not a vehicle to do whatever the autopen
thought they would achieve. And so that's what that email
is absolutely screaming. And if you read between the lines,
(14:33):
the top lawyer keeps saying, I need to hear from
the president. He's not putting in writing. You know, hey,
I'm not going to talk to an autopen or as
staffer about this. And I think that's the bogus reason.
But implicit in everything he's saying is we need this
from the top and he's not getting it.
Speaker 1 (14:50):
Wow, pretty amazing story. How do you think this ends?
Does this go to the courts? Does the Trump administration
and validate it and then it will be challenged in
the courts? What do you think?
Speaker 2 (15:01):
So Al Turp is saying, and I know I'm beating
a dead horse on this, but President Trump has already
invalidated it. He said so multiple times. He's the chief executive,
he's put it in writing, he's issued an executive order,
he's open the White House Counsel investigation, he's called them
Nolan Voyd. So it's about time for the government to
start getting in line with what the president says and
treating these things as Nolan Boyd. And there's several things
(15:23):
that can do to start that process. The first is
not releasing these guys from jail, and I think that's
the easy Clayer cut legal case because you have Biden's
voj agreeing. The second, I think more controversial one that
will end up in the Supreme Court, is charging people
like Shift Milly, the January sixth Committee, et cetera, all
those people who received the funky pardons. And that's what
(15:44):
I think Comber's team is getting at. And Chairman Comberce
and in his team, who we work with very closely,
is developing that fundamental record set so the Trump administration
can charge those people who have invalid pardons, which of
course they will say all the way after the Supreme Court,
but for these violent drug offenders still in prison, that's
a last I don't even think that gets the Supreme Court.
Speaker 1 (16:06):
Sean, Wow, I really appreciate your time. That's a great update.
Mike Cowell, President of the Oversight Project, Thank you, sir.
We appreciate you being with us. All right, we continue
LEO two point Zho Terrell, Senior Counsel to the Assistant
Attorney General for Civil RIGHTSS with us. Can you explain
this rise of anti Semitism. It's worldwide, it's in the
(16:26):
halls of Congress, it's on college campuses. Even some people
that you know claim to be conservative. I'm having a
hard time understanding, having been to Israel as often as
I have been, having been in the terror tunnels, having been,
having been to border cities, having seen underground bunker playgrounds
that kids play in because those cities in ten years
(16:49):
have been hit with tens of thousands of rockets, Having
seen video that very few people were able to see
that I was able to see thanks to the IDF,
about murder and ra and kidnapping and torture and beheading,
and Israel fighting for its very survival against radical Islamic
terrorists like the ones that attacked us on nine to
(17:10):
eleven on one, Why are people having a hard time
understanding that Israel, just like America, has a right to
defend itself. I mean, what happened October seventh, based on
their population size versus ours, that's the equivalent of forty
thousand dead Americans in a day. Where is this coming from?
Speaker 4 (17:27):
Well, thank you for that question, Sean, because I've been
spinning again. I have to thank President Trump and Pam
BONDI because they have given me the tools to work
on combating anti Semitism. Let me ask your question. In
my entire lifetime, I've never seen anti Semitic behavior as
rampant as it is right now. Why because you have
a well financed organization outside this country, inside this country
(17:50):
twenty years of in doctor Naty are young people at
college in the university. Now we want Cada twelve. I'm
not going to mention their name. You've got media aligning
on Israel, protecting justifying what happened on October seventh. I
don't want to mention their name. CNN, MSNBC, New York Times.
(18:10):
They're trying to put Israel in the most unfavorable light.
And this college what I call outrageous conduct where they're
attacking Jewish Americans. It's been made popular Shan And I'm
telling you, thank God for President Trump. The Jewish Americans
should be happy that Trump is president. Why because he's
(18:31):
been putting up the guardrails to stop it. And I'll
tell you right now, we got three and a half
years to get these guardrails up to protect Jewish Americans.
If we don't protect Jewish Americans, we're next Sean, and
I want to tell you, as an African American, I'm
proud of being head of the TAB Force. Why because
I know the Jewish Americans stood by Black Americans in
the sixty walk with Doctor King. Sound is the NAACP.
(18:55):
So I want people to understand this is not a
Jewish issue. This is an American issue. This is a
Western civilization issues. And thank goodness for Pam Bondy and
Donald J. Trump.
Speaker 1 (19:06):
You're loving your job. I can hear it in your voice.
I've known you a long time.
Speaker 4 (19:09):
I love it, and I'm proud you understand I'm in
a historic moment of time to make a chain for
this country. Thank you, President Trump. Thank you Pam Bondi,
Thank you Sean Hennity for helping me see the lights
and giving me this airtime for Americas to understand my
commitment to eradicate anti Semitism and to clean up these
(19:30):
cities like watching in DC. Thank you for this airtime.
Speaker 1 (19:34):
Thank you Leo, because you know what, you make us proud,
and you're making a difference, and all of you are
making a difference, and we're very grateful. And saving lives
is a very noble cause. The Great Leo two point Zeroterrell,
Senior Counsel to the Assistant Attorney General for Civil Rights, Leo.
Appreciate you man, thank.
Speaker 4 (19:52):
You, thank thank you, Love you John.
Speaker 1 (19:54):
How about love you back? Eight hundred ninety four one,
Shawn our number. You want to be a part of
the program,
Well, we have come in your way. Get Thomas saying
you a constant sound will be desire and if you
want a little banging, I come along. And it is
a big day.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
I think either way it's a big day.
Speaker 3 (00:25):
But if we get this solved, it's a really big
day because we're going to save a lot of lives.
Speaker 1 (00:30):
Do you then decide, Okay, we're gonna use mustard gas
and civilians. The what Trump ordered abba to do in
Texas is mustard gas and democracy.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
And the perception of this of the Biden presidency is
just a weak and ineffective presidency.
Speaker 1 (00:43):
But the fact of the matter is his legacy is
Donald Trump came back.
Speaker 4 (00:46):
Freedom is back in style, Welcome to the Revolution.
Speaker 1 (00:53):
Coming.
Speaker 4 (00:54):
To your.
Speaker 1 (00:58):
Thousand and saying you accounts.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
Sean Hennity Show more I'm the scenes, information on breaking
news and more bold inspired solutions for America.
Speaker 1 (01:13):
All right, thanks Scott. You on an hour two Sean
Hannity Show, eight hundred and nine four one. Shawn is
on number. If you want to be a part of
the program. We have a lot of news that we're
going to be breaking in the course of this show.
Today one we're going to update you on the auto
pen issue and the Joe cognitive decline issue. We'll get
to that in a second. John Solomon has some huge
(01:36):
breaking news, uh pretty much smoking gun breaking news regarding
James Comy. We'll get to that today. Also Senator Tom
Cotton on what's going on in DC and Ukraine and
Russia and Leo two point zero Torell the President going
out following in the on the heels of the trip
by Pete Hagsath, Stephen Miller, and JD. Vans yesterday in
(02:00):
the streets of DC. We do have an update on
that through the liberal media won't report too much on
a DC's had a murder free week in seventy seven
more arrests in the federal takeover in the National Guard
protecting the people in our nation's capital. It's unbelievably shocking
to imagine that if all the capitals of every country
(02:24):
in the world, we have the highest homicide rate per
capita for one hundred thousand by more than double, nearly
triple the next highest country. And we're talking about Baghdad
and Nel Salvador and you know, Mexico City. I mean,
you would think America's capital would be the safest, not
(02:45):
even close. So they're trying to restore law and order
and safety and security for people there. This is getting
fascinating and more fascinating by the day. One of President
Biden's staunchest defenders in the last year of his presidency
has been this guy, Ian Sam's, and James Comer is
(03:05):
now saying after an interview that took place with mister
Sam's today that he thinks that this might be the
most informative interview in this probe so far. And Comer's
taking the lead in terms of these closed door transcribed interviews,
and today was Ian Sam's turn, who served as the
top spokesperson on matters related to congressional investigations and other
(03:28):
probes during the latter two years of the Biden administration,
he said, quote that was probably the most informative transcribed
interview splash deposition we have had thus far. Let me
play Comer in his own words and what he has
to say. Listen, I mean, I can't say this enough.
Speaker 3 (03:47):
I want to say this one more time, so everyone
ever since Ian Sam's, who was the White House spokesperson
for a significant amount of Joe Widen Simon's President, interacted
with him two times two times, so you know, we're
going to continue to bring people in. And again, this
(04:10):
this person, Ian Sam's is the one that would would
counter everything Robert Hurr or anytime anyone would suggest that
Joe Biden wasn't mentally fit, he would say, no, He's
at the top of his game. Every time he tweeted
out and there several times he gave interviews on MSNBC.
Every time I've interacted with the President, he was sharp,
he asked great questions in there under oath. He interacted
(04:33):
with President two times the entire time, the entire time
he worked in the White House.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
That's astonishing.
Speaker 1 (04:40):
It really is stunning, and it does bring into focus
the level of cover up in terms of nobody really
got to see Biden accept that very small group of
people that I would argue, knew damn well that he
was in a full, significant, serious cognitive decline. That raises
the issue. As The New York Times had pointed out out, Okay,
(05:00):
Joe Biden set down criteria standards for commutations and pardons,
but then they used the auto pen. But we don't
know who authorized the use of the auto pen, and
we don't believe that Joe Biden authorized every commutation and
every pardon. Anyway, Mike Howell's with US President of the
Oversight Project, leading figure in uncovering the autopen scandal. He
(05:24):
has more information on this as well, because the top
Justice Department official warned the Biden administration that thousands of
last minute pardons signed by Auto pen were legally flawed
and went against President Biden's intentions of granting clemency to
violent offenders who killed children and police officers. All right,
what are we learning, Mike Cowell, welcome back.
Speaker 2 (05:46):
Hey, thanks for having me on. So it's a bombshell document.
It's an email in black and white. So we got
to take it back to January seventeenth, the final days
of the Biden administration, and the White House announces a
record setting pardoning and commutation of non violent drug offenders.
That's how they styled it. And there's a press release
(06:08):
that you know, says it's from Biden, but as you know,
we're hearing from me and Sam's who knows who wrote
the press releaser, who it really came from, but bragging
about the scale of what they did. So fast forward
just one day on Saturday morning, the top lawyer at
doj for office. Merrick Garland's right hand career official writes
a highly unusual and emphatic email to the White House
(06:31):
saying these are not legal. We cannot effectuate and execute
these as it currently stands, I mean, lifts out all
the reasons. One of the biggest ones is on the
face of these what's called a warrants, which is, you know,
the documents that effectuates the commutation. It doesn't even describe
what they need to do. And if they were to
(06:52):
take it at its word, it necessarily would apply to
guess what violent criminals, and it did and they were
released from jail. I'm talking about people who killed cops,
who killed children, who killed witnesses, the worst of the worst.
And so for the first time we have evidence of
Biden officials in writing saying this autofense strategy is illegal
(07:13):
in not working in its practice and implementation.
Speaker 1 (07:16):
All right, let's go through some of what you found here.
Four specific points. The language offenses described to the Department
of Justice in the warrant is highly problematic, and in
order to resolve its meaning appropriately and consistent with the
President's intent, we will need a statement or direction from
the President on how to interpret the language. And let's
(07:37):
go through the four possibilities that they lay out in
this piece, starting with the commutation applying to all federal offenses,
and explain why it's problematic.
Speaker 2 (07:46):
In your mind, it's problematic because the documents that effects you.
It's the warrant needs to actually describe the offenses and
the people. Keep in mind how ahistorical this was, and
that's what Biden was bragging about scale of the whole thing.
But for it to actually legally work, you have to
name the people and the offenses that they committed, and
(08:07):
the warrant did not do that. And so here you
have DJ saying, we can't interpret this with how you've
done it, and to do it like and its logical
kind of construction would apply to basically this wide universe
of people that I don't think the president wants out.
Who in their right mind would want these violent criminals
and gang bangers out. They don't match the rhetoric of
(08:29):
even the furthest left advocacy groups. And so that's what
he's basically saying. And the other examples there are basically
his best attempt from DJ. We're going to need to
fix this. It's badly broken. Now here are four ways
to fix it. And those are the other examples that
he walks through, but they're all revolve around one thing.
Sean clarification from guests who the President of the United States,
(08:54):
because that's what doing this needs to do. Part in
the communications. It's a special power in our Constitution reserved
to one person, one person alone, and that is the
President of the United States. And so dear j is
screaming basically, if you read this email, we need that
one guy to tell us what he actually means, because
(09:14):
this autopen strategy cannot hold up.
Speaker 4 (09:17):
Well.
Speaker 1 (09:17):
Remember when the New York Times wrote that he was
setting down criteria and standards, and it heavily implied and
pretty much outright said that he didn't approve each one himself.
And we still to this day don't know who authorized
the use of the auto pen. And then we have
this whole issue of was Joe even cognitively aware enough
(09:38):
and mentally strong enough to even make the decision.
Speaker 2 (09:41):
That's absolutely right, and so that New York Times article.
Keep in mind, the oversight project in March went public
with our artif and investigation, and the New York Times
covered it, but they called it a conspiracy theory, Seana
and their reporters. That was their narrative on it in March.
Well you pass forored a month ago. Enough damage had
and done that. Finally, the Biden camp decided they needed
(10:02):
to do something. His legacy will be defined by the
autopend and whether he likes it or not, that's where
it's at. And so they went to the New York
Times gave a ten minute interview in which The New
York Times have not released the audio tape of the
Biden interview, by the way, in which Biden, basically, if
you're to believe the New York Times, made the limited
disclosure of admitting, yeah, okay, I didn't do this stuff,
(10:25):
but hey, I did enough. I said broad categories and
his admission there is enough for all of these things
to fall because.
Speaker 1 (10:32):
As we just outlined, when you say faull, that would
invalidate them. Correct.
Speaker 2 (10:37):
Correct, and then mayor of mind everyone President Trump already
has he said it over and over again. He put
it out true social and may that all these are
null and void. And I mean, here's where things get
really interesting, Sean. Some of the commutations, which for your
viewers is a little different than a part and it's
a shortening of the sentence. Guess what, some of those
people are still in jail, and so President Trump could
(11:01):
refuse to release them. One of the guys, a crack
cocaine Kingtin, is being released today and he's got one
of these no good part in commutations. And so this
is a case in which we hope, and we've called
on ag Bondi and others, let's get the ball moving
and start knocking some of these out. And the easiest
way to do it, and we'll get to ship and
everyone else later, is to do no more harm and
(11:22):
to release none of these people that are still in
jail back into the street. And frankly, I'd like to
see those that have already been released re arrested and
put back in prison because they don't belong on our streets.
Speaker 1 (11:32):
Quick break more with Mike Howell. He's the president of
the Oversight Project, leading figure in uncovering the autopen scandal.
And what a hearing today with Ian Sam's who admitted
he only talked to Biden saw Biden two times. And
this guy has been saying it's a conspiracy theory. Anybody
that says that Joe is a cognitive mess. Also new
(11:54):
details on how Biden's own Justice Department absolutely Warren Biden
that the process they were using for these last minute
pardons were not going to hold muster, that they weren't legal.
We'll break all that down and more as we continue.
All right, we continue, Mike Howllin's with US president of
the Oversight Project. We're now discovering that the number two
(12:18):
of the doj of Joe Biden warning these last minute
of pardons and commutations were not going to hold up legally,
especially by the President not making this election himself and
the autopen issue coming into real focus now and all
of them will be invalidated in my view over time.
Let me put a little more emphasis on items three
and four in the letter that you're describing. Again, this
(12:41):
is Merrick Garland's number two is right hand man, if
you will point three. Because no offensive offenses have been
described to the department from the president, the commutations do
not take effect. Now, this is Biden's Justice Department, just
in the final hours of administration. It goes on in
(13:02):
essence describing offenses to the department as a conditioned precedent
to the commutations being effective and without a description, they
do not take effect. I have no idea what interpretation
the incoming administration will give to the warrant, but they
may find the interpretation attractive as it gives effect to
the language but does not go beyond the four corners
(13:26):
of the warrant. Last point, there is yet to come
clear direction from the President giving meaning to the language
for the offenses described to the DOJ. Ideally, this would
be a list of each inmate listing the offenses that
are covered by the commutation. By far, this is the
clearest and least problematic alternative. Given the above, I think
(13:49):
the best that we receive is a statement of direction
from the President as to the meaning of the warrant language.
This will then allow us to give the full effect
of the commutation warrant in the manner intended by the President.
They didn't do any of this. I mean, this is
their top lawyer, one of this number two lawyer of
justice saying, guys, wake up, this ain't going to take effect.
Speaker 2 (14:13):
That's exactly right. He's begging for direction. He's saying, help
me clean up your mess, give me something that we
can use to actually put these into motion, because they
just are not a vehicle to do whatever the autopen
thought they would achieve. And so that's what that email
is absolutely screaming. And if you read between the lines,
(14:33):
the top lawyer keeps saying, I need to hear from
the president. He's not putting in writing. You know, hey,
I'm not going to talk to an autopen or as
staffer about this. And I think that's the bogus reason.
But implicit in everything he's saying is we need this
from the top and he's not getting it.
Speaker 1 (14:50):
Wow, pretty amazing story. How do you think this ends?
Does this go to the courts? Does the Trump administration
and validate it and then it will be challenged in
the courts? What do you think?
Speaker 2 (15:01):
So Al Turp is saying, and I know I'm beating
a dead horse on this, but President Trump has already
invalidated it. He said so multiple times. He's the chief executive,
he's put it in writing, he's issued an executive order,
he's open the White House Counsel investigation, he's called them
Nolan Voyd. So it's about time for the government to
start getting in line with what the president says and
treating these things as Nolan Boyd. And there's several things
(15:23):
that can do to start that process. The first is
not releasing these guys from jail, and I think that's
the easy Clayer cut legal case because you have Biden's
voj agreeing. The second, I think more controversial one that
will end up in the Supreme Court, is charging people
like Shift Milly, the January sixth Committee, et cetera, all
those people who received the funky pardons. And that's what
(15:44):
I think Comber's team is getting at. And Chairman Comberce
and in his team, who we work with very closely,
is developing that fundamental record set so the Trump administration
can charge those people who have invalid pardons, which of
course they will say all the way after the Supreme Court,
but for these violent drug offenders still in prison, that's
a last I don't even think that gets the Supreme Court.
Speaker 1 (16:06):
Sean, Wow, I really appreciate your time. That's a great update.
Mike Cowell, President of the Oversight Project, Thank you, sir.
We appreciate you being with us. All right, we continue
LEO two point Zho Terrell, Senior Counsel to the Assistant
Attorney General for Civil RIGHTSS with us. Can you explain
this rise of anti Semitism. It's worldwide, it's in the
(16:26):
halls of Congress, it's on college campuses. Even some people
that you know claim to be conservative. I'm having a
hard time understanding, having been to Israel as often as
I have been, having been in the terror tunnels, having been,
having been to border cities, having seen underground bunker playgrounds
that kids play in because those cities in ten years
(16:49):
have been hit with tens of thousands of rockets, Having
seen video that very few people were able to see
that I was able to see thanks to the IDF,
about murder and ra and kidnapping and torture and beheading,
and Israel fighting for its very survival against radical Islamic
terrorists like the ones that attacked us on nine to
(17:10):
eleven on one, Why are people having a hard time
understanding that Israel, just like America, has a right to
defend itself. I mean, what happened October seventh, based on
their population size versus ours, that's the equivalent of forty
thousand dead Americans in a day. Where is this coming from?
Speaker 4 (17:27):
Well, thank you for that question, Sean, because I've been
spinning again. I have to thank President Trump and Pam
BONDI because they have given me the tools to work
on combating anti Semitism. Let me ask your question. In
my entire lifetime, I've never seen anti Semitic behavior as
rampant as it is right now. Why because you have
a well financed organization outside this country, inside this country
(17:50):
twenty years of in doctor Naty are young people at
college in the university. Now we want Cada twelve. I'm
not going to mention their name. You've got media aligning
on Israel, protecting justifying what happened on October seventh. I
don't want to mention their name. CNN, MSNBC, New York Times.
(18:10):
They're trying to put Israel in the most unfavorable light.
And this college what I call outrageous conduct where they're
attacking Jewish Americans. It's been made popular Shan And I'm
telling you, thank God for President Trump. The Jewish Americans
should be happy that Trump is president. Why because he's
(18:31):
been putting up the guardrails to stop it. And I'll
tell you right now, we got three and a half
years to get these guardrails up to protect Jewish Americans.
If we don't protect Jewish Americans, we're next Sean, and
I want to tell you, as an African American, I'm
proud of being head of the TAB Force. Why because
I know the Jewish Americans stood by Black Americans in
the sixty walk with Doctor King. Sound is the NAACP.
(18:55):
So I want people to understand this is not a
Jewish issue. This is an American issue. This is a
Western civilization issues. And thank goodness for Pam Bondy and
Donald J. Trump.
Speaker 1 (19:06):
You're loving your job. I can hear it in your voice.
I've known you a long time.
Speaker 4 (19:09):
I love it, and I'm proud you understand I'm in
a historic moment of time to make a chain for
this country. Thank you, President Trump. Thank you Pam Bondi,
Thank you Sean Hennity for helping me see the lights
and giving me this airtime for Americas to understand my
commitment to eradicate anti Semitism and to clean up these
(19:30):
cities like watching in DC. Thank you for this airtime.
Speaker 1 (19:34):
Thank you Leo, because you know what, you make us proud,
and you're making a difference, and all of you are
making a difference, and we're very grateful. And saving lives
is a very noble cause. The Great Leo two point Zeroterrell,
Senior Counsel to the Assistant Attorney General for Civil Rights, Leo.
Appreciate you man, thank.
Speaker 4 (19:52):
You, thank thank you, Love you John.
Speaker 1 (19:54):
How about love you back? Eight hundred ninety four one,
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