June 23, 2025 • 31 mins
Ali Safavi is a member of Iran’s Parliament in Exile, National Council of Resistance of Iran (NCRI), and President of Near East Policy Research (NEPR), a consulting and policy analysis firm in Washington, DC. A sociologist by career, Safavi studied and taught at UCLA, California State University Los Angeles and University of Michigan from 1972 until 1981. An activist during the anti-Shah student movement in the 1970s in the US, Safavi has been involved in Iranian affairs since then and has lectured and written extensively on issues related to Iran, Iraq, terrorism, nuclear proliferation, and the political process in the Middle East. Safavi’s older brother, Hossein, a US-educated aerospace engineer from Northrop University in California, was executed by the current Iranian regime in 1981 for his opposition to their repressive policies. He was 29.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
All right, thank you, Scott Chad An Hour two Sean
Hannity Show, eight hundred and nine point one, Shawn is
our number if you want to be a part of
the program. There was so much discussion, uh, because the
President's stated goal was to eliminate Iran can't have nukes,
and part two of it was to protect our interests
and our assets and are and fellow Americans that are
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in the region. That part of the plan that was
that was that was in place long before any bomber
took off from Missouri or anywhere. And hence you saw
earlier today with this symbolic telegraphed, Oh we're gonna fire back,
you know, but it's not really We're not really attacking.
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We just need to be able to save face. I mean,
it's so it's so ridiculous, it's so stupid, but it
is what it is. The President Trump actually now has
responded to this and rightly so, you know, by calling
it a very weak response. And you know, no Americans
were harmed. Not one of these these missiles fired at
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our Katari base ever hit the ground. They were all
taken out of the air. You know, Supreme leaders saying
Iran will not accept any harassment. After the attack on
the US base, they told everybody what they were doing.
It's very reminiscent of what happened after the killing of Salmoney.
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They said, Yeah, we're going to fire all these missiles,
but we're gonna miss because they don't want the wrath
of Donald Trump. It is extraordinarily weak, but it is
something you've got to be concerned about because there are
Americans in the region, these are American bases. There are
lives always, you know, in jeopardy whenever there's any military action.
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You don't want to see one American hurt in any capacity.
And as we've been discussing, you know, they gamed out
any possible retaliatory strikes, not the least of which is
hitting our bases or mining the straits of horror moves
which they have temporarily closed down. And then, of course
we have always discussed the possibility of the known terrorists
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that Joe Biden and Kamala and may Orcus and the
complicit media that never reported on the wide open borders
and Democrats that Leiden said that the borders were closed
and secure, but that includes hundreds of people from Iran
and many that were caught by the Biden administration that
then were still released into the country. Iran's Fordaux facility
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has suffered massive destruction. It looks like their nuclear program
has been wiped out as of now. Now the question
is what the future will hold for the Uranians. Now
there's a couple of things that can happen simultaneously. When
the President mentioned regime change, that wasn't the original goal.
I took it very differently than the way others took it.
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Think that's important. It's important to make a distinction here.
And when the President tweeted out make Iran great again,
m IgA, he's basically saying these to the Iranians. Now, Remember,
every single every single target was the nuclear facilities of
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the Iranians, which the President very clearly stated and gave
them all the time in the world to accept a deal.
The Israelis have only been targeting military targets. The Iranians
have been targeting heavily populated civilian areas. And it chose
just a whole different mindset because it's a terrorist regime
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and a terrorist regime that has has has killed untold thousands,
tens of thousands of people in the region and that
they have been the number one state sponsor of terror,
and they helped orchestrate the October seventh attacks. And that's
the CUDS Forces Iranian Revolutionary Guards Forces, although their numbers
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their generals are dwindling and very quickly. I mean, three
more leaders would taken out by the Israelis in the
last three days and they you know, I don't even
know what to say about this. It seems like the
Iranians are so overwhelmed by what the US military was
able to accomplish on Saturday night, and the fact that
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we own their skies, they have no shot at protecting themselves.
Doesn't mean there won't be other attacks. We've got to
be forever vigilant, but I don't want to see any
single American get hurt. And the risks always associated with
military efforts. But with that said, I would imagine that
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the Israelis have a far greater interest in dismantling Iran
and have every right to dismantle Iran at whatever degree
they deem necessary. I mean, they have been firing, either
directly or through their proxies, hundreds of thousands of missiles
into Israel, and if the Israelis decided to take out
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their refineries and destroy their economy. I don't blame them.
If they decide to knock out their power grid so
that you have instability in the country that would lead
to regime change, I don't blame them. If the Israelis
decide to take out the Supreme Leader and the leadership
of the Iranian you know, the Republic of Iran, I
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don't blame them either, because there's only so many times
you can attacked Israel before they have a right to
defend their country. And their very existence has been threatened
here and it really has come to It came to
this moment because the Iranians were building out two possible plans.
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One was the enrichment plan, and according to every report,
they were at sixty percent enrichment and to get from
sixty to ninety percent weapons great enrichment was a matter
of days, not even a full month, it was just weeks,
and so that would mean they were in nuclear power.
Speaker 2 (06:15):
And now they're.
Speaker 1 (06:16):
Getting more and more capability in terms of their missile
capability and greater distances involved. That would be a clear
and present danger to every country in the region and
eventually the continental United States. It just had to be done,
and the timing couldn't have been greater. They were going
to go from ballistic missiles to two thousand pounds which
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is very lethal, to four thousand pounds, which is extraordinarily lethal.
And we know what their targets are, and those were
civilian targets. And now the question is what will happen next? No,
it's anybody's guest. Ali Safavi is with us, and Ali
is a member of the Iranian Parliament in exile and
(06:59):
Nowational Council of Resistance of Iran and president of the
Nearest Policy Research Group, a consulting and policy analysis firm
in DC.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
Sir, how are you?
Speaker 1 (07:10):
You've studied this now and you've taught at UCLA and
University of Los Angeles, Michigan and have been an activist
or in the anti Shaw student movement. What do you
make of these events and what do you make of
what's happening?
Speaker 3 (07:25):
Well, first of all, I'm glad to be on your show, Sean,
thank you for the opportunity. I think we are witnessing
a historic moment. I think finally the day of reckoning
is arriving for these criminal monlas who hijacked the popular
revolution after the Lenian people rose up and threw out
another dictator into the ash ship of history. The Shaws regime,
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and of course has brutalized the people. You mentioned ten
of thousands of Americans and foreign nationals being executed or
killed by this regime. Well one hundred thousand dissidents have
been executed by this regime in the past forty six years,
including thirty thousand in nineteen eighty eight alone, ninety percent
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of them from our movement, the nek At. This is
known in the United States, and clearly I think we
are on the brink of change in Iran. But of
course the kind of change that we in vision is
not from above, is from the bottom by the Iranian
people and the organized resistance. And actually we have been
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working at this for the past four decades within Iran
at great cost. Right now, the mek affiliated resistance units
are active in virtually every city in Iran. They have
been like in two thousand and twenty four they carried
out some three thousand acts of resistance against the IRGC
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and it's paramilitary shocking to the ba Seede. So as
the leader of our movement, missus rage he said a
few days ago, had the European Parliament. It is time
for the international community to stand with Iranian people, to
stand with the opposition movement, the resistance movement, to bring
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down this regime. And I think until and unless the
mons are overthrown, the kind of crisis that we have
been witnessing over the past ten years or so will continue.
You know that just after the October seventh Missus, Dragadi
said that the head of the snake of terrorism and
more mangling is in Tehran, so that snake must be beheaded,
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and of course that's none other than Alikhanini. But as
I said, it is the Ivonian people that will accomplish this,
joined by the organized resistance movement, and so the day
of reckoning, as I said, is coming, and that we
are of course hard at work to make that become reality.
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But of course what we need is the political and
moral support of the United States and Europe. We don't
want any boots underground, we don't want any money, we
don't want any weapons. The Iranian people are quite capable
and willing to give what it takes to reclaim the
country from these moners and get along to democracy.
Speaker 2 (10:23):
Let me ask you this. I think this is very important.
Speaker 1 (10:25):
What would you imagine is likely to unfold now that
the strike took place in the nuclear facilities devastated and
President Trump did warn the people in Tehran to get
out immediately and made clear that his issues are not
with the Iranian people but with the government that rules
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over them with an iron fist.
Speaker 3 (10:48):
Yes, well, that's an excellent question. First of all, the
three sites that you mentioned, actually our movement exposed two
of them, one the Natan site in the two thousand
two and the photos in two thousand and five. But
I think what is going to unfold is for you
to see that the Iranian people will ultimately come to
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the streets once the one of repression is cracked. And
that's exactly what the emmic resistance units are doing as
we speak. They are not the tip of this spear
that will make that one of repression crumble, because it is.
Speaker 2 (11:27):
Well, let me ask you this.
Speaker 1 (11:29):
The President did not have a goal of anything other
than to take out the nuclear sites. But I would
imagine Israel, which has been subject to never ending terror camp,
a never ending terror campaign and threats to wipe the
entire country off the map by the leadership of Iran,
I would imagine that they have their sights on the
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supreme leader and probably on their economy, which would be
your refineries which are clustered together on that little island,
and their infrastructure which we made in the entire power grid,
could be taken out, probably with just two three strikes,
and at that point the Iranian regime, the Iranian people
would suffer, and I would imagine that would probably precipitate
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some type of change.
Speaker 3 (12:15):
Well, I think that the Iranian people already basically ready
for change. Remember that since twenty seventeen, there have been
five major uprising in Iran, the latest of which was
in twenty twenty two, and ironically, during those nationwide protests
in which seven hundred and fifty of our fellow compatriots
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were massacred by the IRGC, the people were uniformly chanting
death to the oppressor, whether the Shah or the leader,
meaning that for them, the future does not involve the
return of the crown and the cloak which they threw
into the dust bene history. Nor are they content with
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the turbine and the row which the monos represent. They
want a representative government and through the ballot box, and
indeed that is what our movement and our leader is
promising a ten point plan for the future of Iran
with guarantees gender equality.
Speaker 1 (13:19):
Let me ask you this, do you believe that this
regime will survive based on what we know now and
not anticipating any assistance for regime change from the US.
Speaker 3 (13:30):
I do not believe PEO will survive. I think, quite frankly,
with what happened last on Friday night, two nights.
Speaker 2 (13:40):
Ago, on Saturday night, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (13:42):
Saturday night, apologies, I think we've turned the page. I
think the policy of appeasement, I think has suffered a
great blow. You correctly said that the Bident administration tried
to cajole this regime, tried to give it concessions as
in the Obama administration. I think as long as in
an African unity does not offer any lifeline to this station,
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I think the one people can top of them on
us because remember that the regime use the wind fault
of the JCPO A hundreds of millions of dollars to
not only boost its proxy forces in the region, but
also to strengthen and empowers reflective forces. So if that
lifeline is not given to them, there are many people
are quite capable and ready to do it.
Speaker 1 (14:27):
Look, it has to come from them and regime change.
You always have to worry what's on the other side
of it. Is it going to be worse? Although I
don't think you can get worse than the supreme leader comany.
Speaker 3 (14:40):
I do not believe it will be worse.
Speaker 4 (14:43):
Sean.
Speaker 3 (14:44):
You know this narrative that Iran will become another Libya.
I submit to you. It's being promoted by the regime's
lobby inside the bed way. Iran is one of the
two national states in the midlist. It had the civilization
of several thousand years. It has an edge population, it
has a young population. Most importantly, it has organized opposition
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and so as such that this opposition is has a
planning place to a step in the day after and
mediavanto democracy very very well quickly. And so I do
not believe that Ali will be happening. By the way,
our movement has fremant to support in the United the States,
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among them in Congress and majority.
Speaker 1 (15:30):
We're gonna watch it very closely. I'm just up on
o'clock Ali Safabi. I don't mean to interrupt you, Please
forgive me, but we're just out of time. But I
do appreciate you being with us, and I wish your
country the best, and I hope they join the free
world in the future. But that's going to be up
to the Iranian people in the end. You know, it
is interesting occasionally to take this strip down memory lane.
(15:52):
Just I haven't spent a lot of time today on
this idiocy of War Powers Act or after nine to eleven.
I mean, Jarrett had a great column going into great
specificity in detail. Everything that President Trump did here was legal,
and Democrats never had a problem when Democrats, when Democratic
presidents got invow involved in any type of military efforts,
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they weren't demanding the full approval of Congress. They weren't
claiming it's impeachable. You know what the interesting thing is
is if you think back at the Democratic Party, they
are the party of appeasement. And what Joe Biden allowed
to have happen on his watch is beyond It's incomprehensible
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to me, because the Iranian regime was on the verge
of bankruptcy. Because Donald Trump pulled America in his first
term out of the idiotic Iranian deal that was supposedly
negotiated by Obama, Biden and the Iranians, and that deal
was well, let's drop you know, billions of dollars in
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cash and know the currency in cargo planes and give
it to the Ranium mullus. Well, what did they do
with that money? They spent it to build out more
of their nuclear capability and the nuclear facilities, and they
use the money for the weaponry that they provide to
their proxies all throughout the region and foment terror in
the region. And then Biden turned a blind eyed to
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the sanctions again, funding the terror regime with more money
for more weaponry to try and achieve their goal of
wiping Israel and the UUs off the map. And then
he even gave specific sanctioned waivers to make him even richer.
You know, but history is not going to be kind
to the likes of Obama, Hillary Clinton, Joe Biden because Democrats,
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they are classic appeasers and they are weak, and they
never had the strength that was needed to take on
a regime, a terror regime like Iran. Let's go to
twenty thirteen, Barack Obama. Iran doesn't need an underground, fortified
facility like four DOAH for a peaceful nuclear program.
Speaker 5 (18:00):
You think Listen, they don't need to have a underground
fortified facility like fourd Doh in order to have a
peaceful nuclear program. They certainly don't need a heavy water
reactor at a rock in order to have a peaceful
nuclear program. They don't need some of the advanced centrifugions
that they currently possess in order to have a limited,
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peaceful nuclear program.
Speaker 1 (18:24):
Why didn't you bomb them out, knowing darn well that
it wasn't for a peaceful nuclear program, and that this
was their program to build eventually nuclear weapons. And now,
Donald Trump, I mean, if Kamala Harris had been elected,
Iran would be a nuclear state long before the end
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of her first term. That's the chilling part of it.
Here's another cut of Obama. This is two thousand and
nine talking about the four Doh facility and how it's
inconsistent with a peaceful program.
Speaker 5 (18:58):
Listen, the Islamic Republic of Iran has been building a
covert uranium enrichment facility near Coombe for several years.
Speaker 2 (19:07):
The size and configuration.
Speaker 6 (19:09):
Of this facility is inconsistent with a peaceful program.
Speaker 1 (19:13):
And then Obama is saying that if Israel has ever
attacked we will protect them. It's an America's best interest
that Iran does not get a nuclear weapon. He sounds
an awful lot like Donald Trump, except Donald Trump acted
and the world is a more peaceful place today because
he did what they would never dare do.
Speaker 6 (19:31):
Listen, well, first of all, Israel is a true friend.
It is our greatest ally in the region. And if
Israel is attacked, America will stand with Israel to the
issue of Iran. As long as I'm President of the
United States, Iran will not get a nuclear weapon. I
made that clear when I came into office. Our goal
is to get Iran to recognize it needs to give
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up its nuclear program and abide by the UN resolutions
that have been in place militarily then since then, in
many years, and we are going to continue to keep
the pressure on to make sure that they do not
get a nuclear weapon. That's in America's national interest and
that will be the case so long as I'm president.
Speaker 2 (20:14):
And how did that work out?
Speaker 1 (20:15):
They kept building out the nuclear program and making it
bigger and stronger and more fortified. And Hillary Clinton, you know,
saying if Iran tries to hit Israel with a nuclear weapon,
I would obliterate them. Those she wouldn't listen.
Speaker 7 (20:31):
I want the Iranians to know that if I'm the president,
we will attack Iran. Whatever stage of development they might
be in their nuclear weapons program in the next ten years,
during which they might foolishly consider launching an attack on Israel,
we would be able to totally obliterate them. That's a
terrible thing to say that. Those people who run Iran
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need to understand that, because that perhaps will deter them
from doing something that would be reckless, foolish, tragic.
Speaker 1 (21:00):
Anyway, let's get to our busy phones, shall we. Eight
hundred and nine four one Sean. If you want to
be a part of the program, Barry in my free
state of Florida. Hey, Barry, how are you glad you called?
Speaker 2 (21:11):
Sir?
Speaker 4 (21:12):
Sure?
Speaker 8 (21:12):
And I'm here, God blast year.
Speaker 4 (21:13):
I'm fairly short in my comments. If I ran follows through,
we're causing down the straight of homeless. We should immediately
go to destroy their oil and gas facilities.
Speaker 3 (21:26):
Period.
Speaker 1 (21:26):
Listen, we have multiple targets. Its story, and it's as
the President said, the hard targets have been taken out.
The nuclear facilities, they were fortified. They were very deep
into the mountain and underground, and those have been obliterated.
If you look at their refineries, which is the heart
of their economies, they're all clustered together and could be
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taken out with one strike. Now, if Donald Trump wanted
regime change, he would have done that on Saturday night.
Speaker 2 (21:54):
He did not.
Speaker 1 (21:55):
So far, the Israelis have not, but it certainly probably
is on the table for them, considering they are directly
responsible for tens of not hundreds of thousands of weapons
being fired into Israeli territory and killing many Israelis, so
it's not off the table. The next target to me
would be their gas driven electric grid. I would say
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that's another target. And then you have the ultimate target,
which you know is to take out their top military
leaders the way the Israelis have been taken it out,
and at that point they won't have a country. This
is not going to be the forever war that many
people spoke or tried to scare people about in the
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lead up to this. That's not the Donald Trump doctrine.
And I tried to explain in detail why supported the
president if in fact he made this ultimate decision because
Iran cannot have nuclear weapons. Listen to what Trump says,
and look at what he did this weekend. He did
exactly what he said he would do. You should have
listen to me, he said. Now, the question is if, if,
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whether or not you know the I think the Israelis are.
They have their own conflict with them. They have been
the victim far more than the United States of Iranian terror,
and I would not be surprised if the Israelis take
this and absolutely obliterate every aspect of Iran, which probably
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would result in a regime change. But that was never
President Trump's goal. President Trump had two objectives here and
he achieved them both. One before he ever got started
with his military mission. He first fortified our assets in
the region. You know this, this symbolic six missiles fired
at our base in Guitar or Cutter, depending how you
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prefer to pronounce it.
Speaker 2 (23:50):
Both are acceptable.
Speaker 1 (23:52):
It was first of all, that every indication as we
were given a heads up, well, that is the exact
same thing that was that happened after we killed Solomoni.
I mean, but the Trump doctrine is not an isolationist doctrine,
and it's a doctrine that is rooted in basic, simple
common sense and in this case, Iran can't have a
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nuclear weapon. When he took out Solomony, it was based
on the premise that if you are the leading general
fomenting terrorism that kills Americans, you don't have a right
to live. If you look the same thing with Bagdadian
associates or the ISIS Caliphate. These are all targets of
Donald Trump, or the Mother of All Bombs that he
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dropped in Afghanistan to send the message there too about
killing Americans. So and in neither case was this a
forever war. But Donald Trump, And you know when somebody
asked him last week, well, what about are you gonna
put boots on there?
Speaker 2 (24:50):
Like, he looked at him like, are you stupid?
Speaker 1 (24:52):
And some of the comments made by people that claim
to be a supporters, I'm like, do you not listen
to him? Do you not watch his actions? Because yeah,
I guess everybody has their own agenda, But Donald Trump's
the president, He's the commander in chief, and I happen
to support the Trump doctrine. And I think in this case,
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just like in the case of the Mother of All
Bombs and Solomani and the ISIS Caliphate and Bagdaddi and associates.
I think he made the right call on each and
every one of these decisions. Now they knew going in
that sleeper cells are within the United States, but they
were here anyway. If they they if they're plotting, planning
and scheming, you can thank Joe, Kamala and may Orcus.
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Everybody knew the possibility that the straits or hor Mooz
may be closed as a means of cutting off you know,
x percentage of the free flow of energy. But that
that's that ultimately is not going to work out well
for the Iranians either, or that they might mind those straits.
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And certainly our bases are in so much in such
close proximity to a Ran that that would be a
target to But all of that was in place and
planned before anything ever happened on Saturday night, that part
I know. Anyway, my friend, appreciate the call. Quickbreak right back.
We'll continue straight ahead. Eight hundred and nine four one,
Shawn is our number.
Speaker 8 (26:22):
The final hour roundup is next. You do not want
to miss it, and stay tuned for the final hour
Free for all on the Sean Hannity Show.
Speaker 2 (26:37):
Back to our busy phones.
Speaker 1 (26:39):
Let us say hi to Maria in California, the United
Socialist Utopias state of Gavin Newsom.
Speaker 9 (26:48):
How are you, oh boy, how are you? Thank you
so much sir for taking the call.
Speaker 2 (26:53):
I thank you.
Speaker 9 (26:53):
Yet I think that it's very, very serious, and I'm
not I fully support the president and everything that he does,
and people have to realize everybody respects him and he
deserves it. And this wasn't his first rodeo. We've had
four years of him. He knows exactly what he's doing strategically. However,
the biggest concern that I feel here in California is
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that the bad actors amongst us. We don't know who
is tear with us. And if God forbid, the infrastructure,
the electrical grids, the water suffers, We're in grave consequences
because so many people you know, oh, it's too late.
Basically the horses out of the barn once it happens.
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That's my biggest worry is the people in the United
States and with the immigration situation. They tried, they're trying
desperately to get rid of the bad actors, but they're everybody, Oh,
they're taking the nannies away. They're not. They're not the
narrative is not That is not correct. They are trying
to clean up this mess that we have. So I
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don't know if we can ensure the public that we
are safe from any terrorist decks. God bless everyone because
Donald Trump had to do what was needed. These people
are nuts in the Middle East.
Speaker 1 (28:13):
So that's my It is a safer world today because
of Donald J. Trump and him having the courage being
resolute enough to recognize the existential threat and to listen
closely and to watch the actions of a terror state
like Iran. And I really do question those the Democrats
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others that lack all common sense that they were born with.
I'm not really sure what some of their agendas are.
I have very deep suspicions about particular biases of some individuals.
You have the for example, anti Semitic wing of the
Democratic Party. You know, I wonder if some of their
opposition is rooted in that ideology and others. It doesn't
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Hannity Show, eight hundred and nine point one, Shawn is
our number if you want to be a part of
the program. There was so much discussion, uh, because the
President's stated goal was to eliminate Iran can't have nukes,
and part two of it was to protect our interests
and our assets and are and fellow Americans that are
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in the region. That part of the plan that was
that was that was in place long before any bomber
took off from Missouri or anywhere. And hence you saw
earlier today with this symbolic telegraphed, Oh we're gonna fire back,
you know, but it's not really We're not really attacking.
(00:45):
We just need to be able to save face. I mean,
it's so it's so ridiculous, it's so stupid, but it
is what it is. The President Trump actually now has
responded to this and rightly so, you know, by calling
it a very weak response. And you know, no Americans
were harmed. Not one of these these missiles fired at
(01:07):
our Katari base ever hit the ground. They were all
taken out of the air. You know, Supreme leaders saying
Iran will not accept any harassment. After the attack on
the US base, they told everybody what they were doing.
It's very reminiscent of what happened after the killing of Salmoney.
(01:28):
They said, Yeah, we're going to fire all these missiles,
but we're gonna miss because they don't want the wrath
of Donald Trump. It is extraordinarily weak, but it is
something you've got to be concerned about because there are
Americans in the region, these are American bases. There are
lives always, you know, in jeopardy whenever there's any military action.
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You don't want to see one American hurt in any capacity.
And as we've been discussing, you know, they gamed out
any possible retaliatory strikes, not the least of which is
hitting our bases or mining the straits of horror moves
which they have temporarily closed down. And then, of course
we have always discussed the possibility of the known terrorists
(02:12):
that Joe Biden and Kamala and may Orcus and the
complicit media that never reported on the wide open borders
and Democrats that Leiden said that the borders were closed
and secure, but that includes hundreds of people from Iran
and many that were caught by the Biden administration that
then were still released into the country. Iran's Fordaux facility
(02:38):
has suffered massive destruction. It looks like their nuclear program
has been wiped out as of now. Now the question
is what the future will hold for the Uranians. Now
there's a couple of things that can happen simultaneously. When
the President mentioned regime change, that wasn't the original goal.
I took it very differently than the way others took it.
(03:00):
Think that's important. It's important to make a distinction here.
And when the President tweeted out make Iran great again,
m IgA, he's basically saying these to the Iranians. Now, Remember,
every single every single target was the nuclear facilities of
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the Iranians, which the President very clearly stated and gave
them all the time in the world to accept a deal.
The Israelis have only been targeting military targets. The Iranians
have been targeting heavily populated civilian areas. And it chose
just a whole different mindset because it's a terrorist regime
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and a terrorist regime that has has has killed untold thousands,
tens of thousands of people in the region and that
they have been the number one state sponsor of terror,
and they helped orchestrate the October seventh attacks. And that's
the CUDS Forces Iranian Revolutionary Guards Forces, although their numbers
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their generals are dwindling and very quickly. I mean, three
more leaders would taken out by the Israelis in the
last three days and they you know, I don't even
know what to say about this. It seems like the
Iranians are so overwhelmed by what the US military was
able to accomplish on Saturday night, and the fact that
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we own their skies, they have no shot at protecting themselves.
Doesn't mean there won't be other attacks. We've got to
be forever vigilant, but I don't want to see any
single American get hurt. And the risks always associated with
military efforts. But with that said, I would imagine that
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the Israelis have a far greater interest in dismantling Iran
and have every right to dismantle Iran at whatever degree
they deem necessary. I mean, they have been firing, either
directly or through their proxies, hundreds of thousands of missiles
into Israel, and if the Israelis decided to take out
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their refineries and destroy their economy. I don't blame them.
If they decide to knock out their power grid so
that you have instability in the country that would lead
to regime change, I don't blame them. If the Israelis
decide to take out the Supreme Leader and the leadership
of the Iranian you know, the Republic of Iran, I
(05:36):
don't blame them either, because there's only so many times
you can attacked Israel before they have a right to
defend their country. And their very existence has been threatened
here and it really has come to It came to
this moment because the Iranians were building out two possible plans.
(05:57):
One was the enrichment plan, and according to every report,
they were at sixty percent enrichment and to get from
sixty to ninety percent weapons great enrichment was a matter
of days, not even a full month, it was just weeks,
and so that would mean they were in nuclear power.
Speaker 2 (06:15):
And now they're.
Speaker 1 (06:16):
Getting more and more capability in terms of their missile
capability and greater distances involved. That would be a clear
and present danger to every country in the region and
eventually the continental United States. It just had to be done,
and the timing couldn't have been greater. They were going
to go from ballistic missiles to two thousand pounds which
(06:37):
is very lethal, to four thousand pounds, which is extraordinarily lethal.
And we know what their targets are, and those were
civilian targets. And now the question is what will happen next? No,
it's anybody's guest. Ali Safavi is with us, and Ali
is a member of the Iranian Parliament in exile and
(06:59):
Nowational Council of Resistance of Iran and president of the
Nearest Policy Research Group, a consulting and policy analysis firm
in DC.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
Sir, how are you?
Speaker 1 (07:10):
You've studied this now and you've taught at UCLA and
University of Los Angeles, Michigan and have been an activist
or in the anti Shaw student movement. What do you
make of these events and what do you make of
what's happening?
Speaker 3 (07:25):
Well, first of all, I'm glad to be on your show, Sean,
thank you for the opportunity. I think we are witnessing
a historic moment. I think finally the day of reckoning
is arriving for these criminal monlas who hijacked the popular
revolution after the Lenian people rose up and threw out
another dictator into the ash ship of history. The Shaws regime,
(07:48):
and of course has brutalized the people. You mentioned ten
of thousands of Americans and foreign nationals being executed or
killed by this regime. Well one hundred thousand dissidents have
been executed by this regime in the past forty six years,
including thirty thousand in nineteen eighty eight alone, ninety percent
(08:09):
of them from our movement, the nek At. This is
known in the United States, and clearly I think we
are on the brink of change in Iran. But of
course the kind of change that we in vision is
not from above, is from the bottom by the Iranian
people and the organized resistance. And actually we have been
(08:30):
working at this for the past four decades within Iran
at great cost. Right now, the mek affiliated resistance units
are active in virtually every city in Iran. They have
been like in two thousand and twenty four they carried
out some three thousand acts of resistance against the IRGC
(08:52):
and it's paramilitary shocking to the ba Seede. So as
the leader of our movement, missus rage he said a
few days ago, had the European Parliament. It is time
for the international community to stand with Iranian people, to
stand with the opposition movement, the resistance movement, to bring
(09:15):
down this regime. And I think until and unless the
mons are overthrown, the kind of crisis that we have
been witnessing over the past ten years or so will continue.
You know that just after the October seventh Missus, Dragadi
said that the head of the snake of terrorism and
more mangling is in Tehran, so that snake must be beheaded,
(09:38):
and of course that's none other than Alikhanini. But as
I said, it is the Ivonian people that will accomplish this,
joined by the organized resistance movement, and so the day
of reckoning, as I said, is coming, and that we
are of course hard at work to make that become reality.
(09:58):
But of course what we need is the political and
moral support of the United States and Europe. We don't
want any boots underground, we don't want any money, we
don't want any weapons. The Iranian people are quite capable
and willing to give what it takes to reclaim the
country from these moners and get along to democracy.
Speaker 2 (10:23):
Let me ask you this. I think this is very important.
Speaker 1 (10:25):
What would you imagine is likely to unfold now that
the strike took place in the nuclear facilities devastated and
President Trump did warn the people in Tehran to get
out immediately and made clear that his issues are not
with the Iranian people but with the government that rules
(10:46):
over them with an iron fist.
Speaker 3 (10:48):
Yes, well, that's an excellent question. First of all, the
three sites that you mentioned, actually our movement exposed two
of them, one the Natan site in the two thousand
two and the photos in two thousand and five. But
I think what is going to unfold is for you
to see that the Iranian people will ultimately come to
(11:10):
the streets once the one of repression is cracked. And
that's exactly what the emmic resistance units are doing as
we speak. They are not the tip of this spear
that will make that one of repression crumble, because it is.
Speaker 2 (11:27):
Well, let me ask you this.
Speaker 1 (11:29):
The President did not have a goal of anything other
than to take out the nuclear sites. But I would
imagine Israel, which has been subject to never ending terror camp,
a never ending terror campaign and threats to wipe the
entire country off the map by the leadership of Iran,
I would imagine that they have their sights on the
(11:49):
supreme leader and probably on their economy, which would be
your refineries which are clustered together on that little island,
and their infrastructure which we made in the entire power grid,
could be taken out, probably with just two three strikes,
and at that point the Iranian regime, the Iranian people
would suffer, and I would imagine that would probably precipitate
(12:13):
some type of change.
Speaker 3 (12:15):
Well, I think that the Iranian people already basically ready
for change. Remember that since twenty seventeen, there have been
five major uprising in Iran, the latest of which was
in twenty twenty two, and ironically, during those nationwide protests
in which seven hundred and fifty of our fellow compatriots
(12:38):
were massacred by the IRGC, the people were uniformly chanting
death to the oppressor, whether the Shah or the leader,
meaning that for them, the future does not involve the
return of the crown and the cloak which they threw
into the dust bene history. Nor are they content with
(12:59):
the turbine and the row which the monos represent. They
want a representative government and through the ballot box, and
indeed that is what our movement and our leader is
promising a ten point plan for the future of Iran
with guarantees gender equality.
Speaker 1 (13:19):
Let me ask you this, do you believe that this
regime will survive based on what we know now and
not anticipating any assistance for regime change from the US.
Speaker 3 (13:30):
I do not believe PEO will survive. I think, quite frankly,
with what happened last on Friday night, two nights.
Speaker 2 (13:40):
Ago, on Saturday night, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (13:42):
Saturday night, apologies, I think we've turned the page. I
think the policy of appeasement, I think has suffered a
great blow. You correctly said that the Bident administration tried
to cajole this regime, tried to give it concessions as
in the Obama administration. I think as long as in
an African unity does not offer any lifeline to this station,
(14:05):
I think the one people can top of them on
us because remember that the regime use the wind fault
of the JCPO A hundreds of millions of dollars to
not only boost its proxy forces in the region, but
also to strengthen and empowers reflective forces. So if that
lifeline is not given to them, there are many people
are quite capable and ready to do it.
Speaker 1 (14:27):
Look, it has to come from them and regime change.
You always have to worry what's on the other side
of it. Is it going to be worse? Although I
don't think you can get worse than the supreme leader comany.
Speaker 3 (14:40):
I do not believe it will be worse.
Speaker 4 (14:43):
Sean.
Speaker 3 (14:44):
You know this narrative that Iran will become another Libya.
I submit to you. It's being promoted by the regime's
lobby inside the bed way. Iran is one of the
two national states in the midlist. It had the civilization
of several thousand years. It has an edge population, it
has a young population. Most importantly, it has organized opposition
(15:06):
and so as such that this opposition is has a
planning place to a step in the day after and
mediavanto democracy very very well quickly. And so I do
not believe that Ali will be happening. By the way,
our movement has fremant to support in the United the States,
(15:28):
among them in Congress and majority.
Speaker 1 (15:30):
We're gonna watch it very closely. I'm just up on
o'clock Ali Safabi. I don't mean to interrupt you, Please
forgive me, but we're just out of time. But I
do appreciate you being with us, and I wish your
country the best, and I hope they join the free
world in the future. But that's going to be up
to the Iranian people in the end. You know, it
is interesting occasionally to take this strip down memory lane.
(15:52):
Just I haven't spent a lot of time today on
this idiocy of War Powers Act or after nine to eleven.
I mean, Jarrett had a great column going into great
specificity in detail. Everything that President Trump did here was legal,
and Democrats never had a problem when Democrats, when Democratic
presidents got invow involved in any type of military efforts,
(16:14):
they weren't demanding the full approval of Congress. They weren't
claiming it's impeachable. You know what the interesting thing is
is if you think back at the Democratic Party, they
are the party of appeasement. And what Joe Biden allowed
to have happen on his watch is beyond It's incomprehensible
(16:35):
to me, because the Iranian regime was on the verge
of bankruptcy. Because Donald Trump pulled America in his first
term out of the idiotic Iranian deal that was supposedly
negotiated by Obama, Biden and the Iranians, and that deal
was well, let's drop you know, billions of dollars in
(16:56):
cash and know the currency in cargo planes and give
it to the Ranium mullus. Well, what did they do
with that money? They spent it to build out more
of their nuclear capability and the nuclear facilities, and they
use the money for the weaponry that they provide to
their proxies all throughout the region and foment terror in
the region. And then Biden turned a blind eyed to
(17:18):
the sanctions again, funding the terror regime with more money
for more weaponry to try and achieve their goal of
wiping Israel and the UUs off the map. And then
he even gave specific sanctioned waivers to make him even richer.
You know, but history is not going to be kind
to the likes of Obama, Hillary Clinton, Joe Biden because Democrats,
(17:41):
they are classic appeasers and they are weak, and they
never had the strength that was needed to take on
a regime, a terror regime like Iran. Let's go to
twenty thirteen, Barack Obama. Iran doesn't need an underground, fortified
facility like four DOAH for a peaceful nuclear program.
Speaker 5 (18:00):
You think Listen, they don't need to have a underground
fortified facility like fourd Doh in order to have a
peaceful nuclear program. They certainly don't need a heavy water
reactor at a rock in order to have a peaceful
nuclear program. They don't need some of the advanced centrifugions
that they currently possess in order to have a limited,
(18:23):
peaceful nuclear program.
Speaker 1 (18:24):
Why didn't you bomb them out, knowing darn well that
it wasn't for a peaceful nuclear program, and that this
was their program to build eventually nuclear weapons. And now,
Donald Trump, I mean, if Kamala Harris had been elected,
Iran would be a nuclear state long before the end
(18:47):
of her first term. That's the chilling part of it.
Here's another cut of Obama. This is two thousand and
nine talking about the four Doh facility and how it's
inconsistent with a peaceful program.
Speaker 5 (18:58):
Listen, the Islamic Republic of Iran has been building a
covert uranium enrichment facility near Coombe for several years.
Speaker 2 (19:07):
The size and configuration.
Speaker 6 (19:09):
Of this facility is inconsistent with a peaceful program.
Speaker 1 (19:13):
And then Obama is saying that if Israel has ever
attacked we will protect them. It's an America's best interest
that Iran does not get a nuclear weapon. He sounds
an awful lot like Donald Trump, except Donald Trump acted
and the world is a more peaceful place today because
he did what they would never dare do.
Speaker 6 (19:31):
Listen, well, first of all, Israel is a true friend.
It is our greatest ally in the region. And if
Israel is attacked, America will stand with Israel to the
issue of Iran. As long as I'm President of the
United States, Iran will not get a nuclear weapon. I
made that clear when I came into office. Our goal
is to get Iran to recognize it needs to give
(19:55):
up its nuclear program and abide by the UN resolutions
that have been in place militarily then since then, in
many years, and we are going to continue to keep
the pressure on to make sure that they do not
get a nuclear weapon. That's in America's national interest and
that will be the case so long as I'm president.
Speaker 2 (20:14):
And how did that work out?
Speaker 1 (20:15):
They kept building out the nuclear program and making it
bigger and stronger and more fortified. And Hillary Clinton, you know,
saying if Iran tries to hit Israel with a nuclear weapon,
I would obliterate them. Those she wouldn't listen.
Speaker 7 (20:31):
I want the Iranians to know that if I'm the president,
we will attack Iran. Whatever stage of development they might
be in their nuclear weapons program in the next ten years,
during which they might foolishly consider launching an attack on Israel,
we would be able to totally obliterate them. That's a
terrible thing to say that. Those people who run Iran
(20:52):
need to understand that, because that perhaps will deter them
from doing something that would be reckless, foolish, tragic.
Speaker 1 (21:00):
Anyway, let's get to our busy phones, shall we. Eight
hundred and nine four one Sean. If you want to
be a part of the program, Barry in my free
state of Florida. Hey, Barry, how are you glad you called?
Speaker 2 (21:11):
Sir?
Speaker 4 (21:12):
Sure?
Speaker 8 (21:12):
And I'm here, God blast year.
Speaker 4 (21:13):
I'm fairly short in my comments. If I ran follows through,
we're causing down the straight of homeless. We should immediately
go to destroy their oil and gas facilities.
Speaker 3 (21:26):
Period.
Speaker 1 (21:26):
Listen, we have multiple targets. Its story, and it's as
the President said, the hard targets have been taken out.
The nuclear facilities, they were fortified. They were very deep
into the mountain and underground, and those have been obliterated.
If you look at their refineries, which is the heart
of their economies, they're all clustered together and could be
(21:48):
taken out with one strike. Now, if Donald Trump wanted
regime change, he would have done that on Saturday night.
Speaker 2 (21:54):
He did not.
Speaker 1 (21:55):
So far, the Israelis have not, but it certainly probably
is on the table for them, considering they are directly
responsible for tens of not hundreds of thousands of weapons
being fired into Israeli territory and killing many Israelis, so
it's not off the table. The next target to me
would be their gas driven electric grid. I would say
(22:17):
that's another target. And then you have the ultimate target,
which you know is to take out their top military
leaders the way the Israelis have been taken it out,
and at that point they won't have a country. This
is not going to be the forever war that many
people spoke or tried to scare people about in the
(22:40):
lead up to this. That's not the Donald Trump doctrine.
And I tried to explain in detail why supported the
president if in fact he made this ultimate decision because
Iran cannot have nuclear weapons. Listen to what Trump says,
and look at what he did this weekend. He did
exactly what he said he would do. You should have
listen to me, he said. Now, the question is if, if,
(23:04):
whether or not you know the I think the Israelis are.
They have their own conflict with them. They have been
the victim far more than the United States of Iranian terror,
and I would not be surprised if the Israelis take
this and absolutely obliterate every aspect of Iran, which probably
(23:25):
would result in a regime change. But that was never
President Trump's goal. President Trump had two objectives here and
he achieved them both. One before he ever got started
with his military mission. He first fortified our assets in
the region. You know this, this symbolic six missiles fired
at our base in Guitar or Cutter, depending how you
(23:49):
prefer to pronounce it.
Speaker 2 (23:50):
Both are acceptable.
Speaker 1 (23:52):
It was first of all, that every indication as we
were given a heads up, well, that is the exact
same thing that was that happened after we killed Solomoni.
I mean, but the Trump doctrine is not an isolationist doctrine,
and it's a doctrine that is rooted in basic, simple
common sense and in this case, Iran can't have a
(24:13):
nuclear weapon. When he took out Solomony, it was based
on the premise that if you are the leading general
fomenting terrorism that kills Americans, you don't have a right
to live. If you look the same thing with Bagdadian
associates or the ISIS Caliphate. These are all targets of
Donald Trump, or the Mother of All Bombs that he
(24:34):
dropped in Afghanistan to send the message there too about
killing Americans. So and in neither case was this a
forever war. But Donald Trump, And you know when somebody
asked him last week, well, what about are you gonna
put boots on there?
Speaker 2 (24:50):
Like, he looked at him like, are you stupid?
Speaker 1 (24:52):
And some of the comments made by people that claim
to be a supporters, I'm like, do you not listen
to him? Do you not watch his actions? Because yeah,
I guess everybody has their own agenda, But Donald Trump's
the president, He's the commander in chief, and I happen
to support the Trump doctrine. And I think in this case,
(25:13):
just like in the case of the Mother of All
Bombs and Solomani and the ISIS Caliphate and Bagdaddi and associates.
I think he made the right call on each and
every one of these decisions. Now they knew going in
that sleeper cells are within the United States, but they
were here anyway. If they they if they're plotting, planning
and scheming, you can thank Joe, Kamala and may Orcus.
(25:36):
Everybody knew the possibility that the straits or hor Mooz
may be closed as a means of cutting off you know,
x percentage of the free flow of energy. But that
that's that ultimately is not going to work out well
for the Iranians either, or that they might mind those straits.
(25:57):
And certainly our bases are in so much in such
close proximity to a Ran that that would be a
target to But all of that was in place and
planned before anything ever happened on Saturday night, that part
I know. Anyway, my friend, appreciate the call. Quickbreak right back.
We'll continue straight ahead. Eight hundred and nine four one,
Shawn is our number.
Speaker 8 (26:22):
The final hour roundup is next. You do not want
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Free for all on the Sean Hannity Show.
Speaker 2 (26:37):
Back to our busy phones.
Speaker 1 (26:39):
Let us say hi to Maria in California, the United
Socialist Utopias state of Gavin Newsom.
Speaker 9 (26:48):
How are you, oh boy, how are you? Thank you
so much sir for taking the call.
Speaker 2 (26:53):
I thank you.
Speaker 9 (26:53):
Yet I think that it's very, very serious, and I'm
not I fully support the president and everything that he does,
and people have to realize everybody respects him and he
deserves it. And this wasn't his first rodeo. We've had
four years of him. He knows exactly what he's doing strategically. However,
the biggest concern that I feel here in California is
(27:17):
that the bad actors amongst us. We don't know who
is tear with us. And if God forbid, the infrastructure,
the electrical grids, the water suffers, We're in grave consequences
because so many people you know, oh, it's too late.
Basically the horses out of the barn once it happens.
(27:37):
That's my biggest worry is the people in the United
States and with the immigration situation. They tried, they're trying
desperately to get rid of the bad actors, but they're everybody, Oh,
they're taking the nannies away. They're not. They're not the
narrative is not That is not correct. They are trying
to clean up this mess that we have. So I
(27:59):
don't know if we can ensure the public that we
are safe from any terrorist decks. God bless everyone because
Donald Trump had to do what was needed. These people
are nuts in the Middle East.
Speaker 1 (28:13):
So that's my It is a safer world today because
of Donald J. Trump and him having the courage being
resolute enough to recognize the existential threat and to listen
closely and to watch the actions of a terror state
like Iran. And I really do question those the Democrats
(28:34):
others that lack all common sense that they were born with.
I'm not really sure what some of their agendas are.
I have very deep suspicions about particular biases of some individuals.
You have the for example, anti Semitic wing of the
Democratic Party. You know, I wonder if some of their
opposition is rooted in that ideology and others. It doesn't
(29:00):
really matter because they're not in charge, and their voices
really don't matter in the end anyway, because Donald Trump
is going to make up his own mind. That much
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Does hearing about a true crime case always leave you scouring the internet for the truth behind the story? Dive into your next mystery with Crime Junkie. Every Monday, join your host Ashley Flowers as she unravels all the details of infamous and underreported true crime cases with her best friend Brit Prawat. From cold cases to missing persons and heroes in our community who seek justice, Crime Junkie is your destination for theories and stories you won’t hear anywhere else. Whether you're a seasoned true crime enthusiast or new to the genre, you'll find yourself on the edge of your seat awaiting a new episode every Monday. If you can never get enough true crime... Congratulations, you’ve found your people. Follow to join a community of Crime Junkies! Crime Junkie is presented by audiochuck Media Company.