The Truth About Abortion

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It's eight hundred ninety four one, Shawn if you want
to be a part of the program. All right, Linda,
I'm asking you. You got the final numbers. We've been
following the tally of congressmen and women of the new
extreme radical Democratic Socialist Party that are supporting the New
Green Deal of Acasio Cortez. What are we up to?

(01:26):
What I have it in front of me right now?
We have sixty four House co sponsors. We've got the
House sponsor AOC from New York's fourteen districts, and we're
so so sorry to the Republicans of Astoria that are
stuck in that mess. And then Senate Sponsor Ed Markey
from Massachusetts a story you mean her district? Do you
mean the right? So I just found out yesterday from

(01:48):
our from our faithful engineer Ethan, that New York's fourteenth
district actually encompasses a lot of staunch Republicans that are
in a storia, but they get jerrymandered out their vote
because of this stronghold of the Democrats in the Bronx.
So unfortunately, all these great Republicans and Queens have her
as their person speaking for them on the House floor

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with her nonsense. So sixty four House co sponsors, ninth
Senate cosponsors. The ninth Senate co sponsors are none other
than Kamala Harris, Richard Blumenthal, Mazie Harron No, Elizabeth Warren,
Corey Booker, Elizabeth Say, Elizabeth Warning, Elizabeth Warren Corey Booker. Yeah,

(02:32):
Kirsten jellabrand Ron war ten bullets. Please do not compare
me to Cuomo and Bernie Sanders. Yeah, shocking. Uh, that
is your new radical extreme left Democratic Party. M one
other edition here Amazon. Now, now, look, I don't like

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the idea that states and cities they offered deals to
bring certain companies in to town, the tax incentives for
Amazon with through the roof and anyway, now Amazon is
reconsidering their plan to bring this to Long Island City.
These well, I think they were going to bring in
create twenty five thousand new jobs and a new campus

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in New York City or just in Queens and all
of a sudden, now that might not happen because opposition,
and I know the city in the state is offering
all sorts of incentives to make this happen. The problem
is you don't have equal distribution fairness under the law
because no one else that is in business is getting
these types of breaks. So there is fundamental unfairness to it.

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And they're only ticking and choosing which companies benefit from
better tax plans, and the law is not equally applied.
But I'm torn because I care so much about people,
and New York has become such a financial basket case,
which is why everybody's leaving. And now they're two point
three billion dollars in the red because the mass exodus

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out of New York, New Jersey, Illinois, and California is
you know, they made all these promises, and all the
people that have been paying the taxes are saying, screw you.
I'm moving to Texas and I'm moving by taking my
business with me, or I'm moving to Florida and I'm
taking my business with me, or I'm moving to Nashville,
or I'm moving to the Carolinas, anywhere but here. And

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so then those states, especially Florida and Texas, that have
no state income tax, those states are now experiencing a
massive influx of rich people that have money that are
gonna build factories and manufacturing centers and create jobs. That's
why the job you know, so many jobs existing, and

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they were able to take care of their infrastructure and
everything else. It's so much better in both Florida and Texas.
And these dopes they doubled down and tripled down on
stupid constantly, which is unbelievable. And they just don't understand
basic capitalism. They don't understand fundamental free markets. They don't

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understand what has made this country the richest best opportunity
creation and mankind's history. Why so much wealth creation has
happened because of, Yes, freedom and liberty. You know, we're
endowed by our creator, our founding document, our declaration life, liberty,

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and the pursuit of happiness. Now, some people are happy,
you know, not pursuing finances or money or things in
their life. And some people really and I've met so
many of them in my life. People are called to
do things. I know people that are really called into

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medicine to be a doctor and then to do it.
You know, you think of the sacrifice you got, all right,
four years of college, four years of medical school, then
a couple of years residency internship. You know, and next thing,
you know, you've got student loans that are three fifty
three hundred fifty thousand dollars, and then you got to
eventually find a practice or a hospital to work at,

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and maybe you want to set up an office somewhere,
and then you got to get the money for the office.
You know, every doctor I know doesn't start putting any
real money in their pocket till they're you know, thirty
seven or eight years old. But it's their calling. You know,
so many that people I know have called to protect
and serve and they just love law enforcement. They're great

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at it because they love it. But you know, when
you become a cop or a fireman or a first
respond or that's saving lives every day, you usually know
going in that you're not going to get rich. Hopefully
you get paid what you deserve. And teachers are the
same thing. Nurse is the same thing. People are called
to do these jobs. They want to find a good

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profession and also serve other people and save lives. And
you know, it's amazing, they're amazing. Where would we ever
be without them. You don't go into the military as
an enlisted guy to get rich. Even if you go
to officer Training school or one of the academies. You're
still not going to get rich in the military, but
you're willing to go knowing that the call may come

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and you're going to be shot at and putting your
life on the line. It's incredible the choices that people
make in a free society. And then other people. I
know guys that work on Wall Street. That's the last
place I'd ever want to work. But they do good
work too. They provide the capital, a lot of them,
for people that have great ideas and they want to

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create goods and services and expand and grow the economy.
And if they're really successful, like you know one of
these big companies, Amazon, Google, whatever, you know, they hire
a lot of people and hopefully they treat those people right.
Other people like me find out at some point in life.
I found out I can talk and not stop and

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and I have a passion for politics. I've had it
since I'm all ten or eleven. You know, my house,
it wasn't shut off, the TV was shut that blankety
blank radio off now and go to bed. I used
to stay up late at night listen to the early
pioneers of talk radio. Wasn't like it is today where

(08:19):
and I just I just They'd tell me to shut
it off. I'd shut it off. I'd hear my father
walked around the house like this, Okay, I'd hear him coming,
so I'd said he could come back, and I'd say,
he goes, you have that radio on. I turned it off.
He'd go back in his room. I put it back on,
and then he might hear something. He comes, Did you

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just sit down, I'm trying to sleep. Leave me alone.
But I'd stay up late at night like I do now.
And I don't know. It's just the way I've lived
my life. This is what you know. Sixty four people
in a day signing up for what would ultimately be
the destruction of the system that has created a wealth

(09:04):
and a standard of living that is the envy of
the world. And I know what it's based on. It's
been tried in many forms, in many ways before you
examine this Green New Deal in detail. Ten years, in
ten years, every American is going to be the biggest

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mobilization of American society, the likes of which we've not
seen since World War Two. You look at the former
Soviet Union, look at Venezuela. You look at Cuba, you
look at any of these. You know you have a
little bit of success, you might say in a small

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Scandinavian country, but not really the way it's described. You know, Canada,
you keep hearing we need a single payer system, which
is what Kamala Harris is proposing. That mean would metacare
for all, Well, that's thirty three trillion dollars and you
can't have private health insurance. Mean you're forced into the
government system and if it goes wrong like Obamacare, that's

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that's what you got. Then they're not gonna pay doctors.
Then they're not gonna want to pay pharmaceutical companies. Then
they're gonna start cutting costs, and then they're gonna you know,
here we are, we're gonna be discussing while you have
outlived like the NIH in Great Britain National Health Services
Institute they have, they have national healthcare. Guess what if

(10:32):
you have outlived your life expectancy, you need hip surgery,
knee surgery, forget it, it's not gonna happen. You'll be denied.
I know somebody that is in Canada right now. I
got a note from a really good friend of mine
who's a doctor in New York. He happens to be
a brain surgeon, and he sends me this note the
other day and I'm reading it. I'm like, You've gotta

(10:52):
be kidding me. This is this is not possible. Hang on,
let me see if I can find it in the
text message that he sent me, because and this guy's
the nicest guy. Here it is let's see, all right,
here it is. He goes um, he goes the single

(11:15):
paper ball. Okay, no, that's all right. He writes it this.
I just talked to a twenty eight year old man
who is Canadian, lives in Vancouver, probably has a brain tumor,
and he's a brain surgeon. This guy, I actually have
sat and watched him rip people's face. Remember the pictures
I saw you, I showed you, Linda, Yes, thank you
for sharing that. Oh now, everybody, when I go into

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the operating room and I'm watching this thing, well, first
of all, I watched him save the life of somebody
who had had a type of brain cancer radiation, and
unfortunately the radiation created such damage that within six months
this poor guy was going to be paralyzed, probably dead.
He wouldn't last a year. And as a result of

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the skill on the train of my friend. He lived anyway,
So he sends me this not just talked to a
twenty eight year old man who is Canadian, lives in Vancouver,
probably has a brain tumor and has speech, balance and
memory issues. Over the past two months, he's seen many
doctors and a neurosurgeon who wants to watch it, I
mean do nothing. Watch it means do nothing. He sent

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me as MRI and he needs a brain biopsy now.
He writes, it's a simple decision. To wait is unconscionable,
and he writes the only reason he hasn't had it
done is because the outcome of a brain tumor will
be no different with or without a biopsy, sooner rather
than later. In other words, he writes, it's a cost

(12:43):
savings decision. And he writes, forget the fact that guy's
twenty eight in this young man's life is on hold,
and he's psychologically stressed beyond belief, as is his family,
and it's saving quote the states money is more important
than this guy's brain tumor. This is what he's writing me.

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He's now considering flying to New York. Let us do
the biopsy now. I'm willing to pay for it out
of my own pocket. He's not rich, and so much
for socialist government control healthcare for all, he writes me.
I has wrote him back, I said, let me help you.
I'll be glad to pay for the guy's expenses. That's
awesome that you can save this guy's life. But this

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is what they're offering, and I'll get to that when
we get back. It is what you are hearing. They
are playing on fears that you have, and they are
promising you things they will never ever, ever, ever be
able to deliver. It is the same flawed, failed, ideological
philosophical failure socialism, redistribution, statism, communism, call it whatever you want.

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America have a lot of stuff is because where that
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what's a pet? I wanted you to know why I
think that this is a real threat. And you know
people can laugh at it. You know the Macazio Cortez.

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You know you got sixty four people signing on in
a day in the House, another nine in the Senate.
As long as Trump is president, this is not gonna happen.
But what happens if it's Elizabeth Warren who wants to
now unconstitutionally go back and after you paid your taxes,
now if you save some money, she wants to tax

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it again or Medicare for all, which you know Bernie
supports and Kamala Harris supports. What have they become president?
Where are they all going to stand on this Green
New deal? They're gonna love all of this, And I
know that from a from the past experience. You know,
we're learning a lot about Democrats. You know, for example,

(16:04):
all the Democrats that said, I believe in the Kavanaugh case,
I believe, I believe, I believe. You know, the press conferences,
they hadn't even met the woman up until that point,
but politically they wanted to hurt. They acted like they
cared about the issue of women in the case of
Justice Kavanaugh. And then more women come forward. See it's

(16:25):
there's more women. And then they held back the information
for maximum dramatic impacts so that it would hopefully sway
the public that this guy was a monster. And then
Michael Avanati jumps in with the Julie sweat Nick and
you know, almost every other weekend the punch was spiked

(16:46):
and the boys would make these teenage girls unconsciousness and
line up in the hall and take their turns, you know,
gang raping these these young girls, raping these It happened
a lot, but nobody ever told the least their mom,
their dad, a teacher, counselor, or nobody. And then the
story changed. Well, I never saw him spike the punch,

(17:07):
but I saw that he was near the punch bowl
and he had a red solo cup in his hand
that he might have offered to a girl. Well, it
wasn't lyned in the hall, but I saw him in
the hall, and that was that. Nobody corroborates anything, you know.
And I said it, where is the due process? How
do you guilt by accusation? That that's not going to

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work in this society. And so many Democrats are acting
that they cared about the women. I haven't heard any
of these same democrats say, I believe when it comes
to the woman accusing the Lieutenant governor in the Commonwealth
of Virginia of a sexual assault, that a violent, forced

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sex act that he forced her to perform on him.
Not a word, no, no, I believe. No. They've kind
of been slowly embarrassed into saying some things, and every
woman has the right to be heard, but not I
believe notice that word's missing. And so you think they
care about the issue. No, that they can't bludgeon or

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conservative or Republicans. So it's a muted response. You know,
we kept hearing for years before the shutt and what
about the furloughed workers that aren't going to get paid?
But that and so the President says, will come on over,
will negotiate a deal. They didn't bother to negotiate a deal.
They send aids to sit for a weekend with the

(18:39):
Vice president. They were never serious about making a deal
on immigration. President goes out publicly and says, I'm willing
to put what they say they want DACA on the table,
deal with the dreamer issue on the table. They don't
want that either. By the way, I hear the deal
that is being worked on now as a disaster, an
unmitigated desire, and everybody should stop wasting their time. But

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if they really cared about furloughed employees getting paid, and
they really cared about dreamers and dhaka, and they once
supported the wall when just a few years ago when
a momp, they would have if they cared about the issue,
they would have done it. This is politics. This is
about bludgeoning Trump, just like they use the issues of
the accusations against Cavanaught to bludgeon him and Trump at

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the same time. And then when it happens to one
of their own, their silence is deafening. So it might
seem like when Acasia Cortez is out there offering every
American we're gonna first, we're gonna rebuild every home and

(19:49):
every commercial building in America. Let's start with the Freedom Tower.
In ten years, we're gonna how do you expect, We're
gonna rebuild every building in New York City? Good luck
with that. In ten years every residential home. What maybe
they'll allow retro fitting at whose cost? Who's paying for

(20:10):
that new air conditioning, new heating, new duck work. Knew
all of this cost real money. But it's a guaranteed
bill of rights. You know you're gonna get paid leave
and medical and medical leave and vacations. Well do I
get to go to Hawaii? And how long? And retirement security?

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Everybody gets it. You get even now, We'll even pay
for college, Womb to the tomb, cradle to grave, peace
and all of your worries and anxieties are taken away
because the God of government, the tyranny of government, is

(20:52):
coming to the rescue. Guaranteed healthy food, guaranteed access to nature,
clean water, guaranteed economic security for all, all who are
unable to work, all who are unwilling to work. What
these promises? Listen, I get it. So many of us.

(21:17):
At times we are not in the best economic position.
I relate to it. I sympathize. I've been there for
long periods of time in my life. I didn't come
I mentioned yesterday. I grew up in a fifty by
one hundred lot thirteen thousand dollars post World War two home,

(21:39):
a small cape with you, three older sisters in one
one bathroom. I made my money myself since I was
eight years old, delivering papers, and then I worked every
job imaginable, always had. One day, I'll bring on my
best friend, my buddy, John Gomez, wads of cash with me,

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and nobody school could understand how I always had so
much money in my pocket. It was my money. I
worked for it. I made deals all the time. I
John's father made the best grilled chicken in the world,
and so John sick of his father's grilled chicken. So
I'd give him money to buy the crappy pizza, lunch

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at the cafeteria, and yodels, and I'd eat his chicken.
It was a great deal for both of us. But
how is it that even when I had no money.
I remember when I lived in Rhode Island, and that's
when I began my construction years. I thought I wanted
to build houses, you know, as a carpenter's apprentice. Once

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fell off a roof three stories, busted my arm, dislocated
my elbow, busted up all my teeth. I played hockey
all these years. All my friends lose teeth. Now finally
I bust up my teeth falling off a roof that
was great. Didn't have any health insurance. Made a deal
with the doctor. He wanted to do an operation remove
the radio head. I wouldn't let him. I got hired

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at a local shipyard because I had no money. This
this big guy, his name is Mac you know, hires
me at the you know for seven bucks an hour.
At the time, I had been making five bucks an
hour five twenty five as a carpenter's apprentice. And literally
sees me walking and holding my armies. What the hell's
wrong with your arm? I tell him I just busted.

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I said, I really need this job. He goes, you
see that house, that's mister Blown's house. This is Blount Marine.
If he sees you with your arm this way, I'm
gonna get my ass chewed out. You better hide for
the next week and a half, two weeks, and it
better be better by then. And the guy was nice
enough to let me work there. I needed the money
at two hundred dollars an old stone bank. I lived

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in Warren, Rhode Island. I know what it's like everybody.
So many people overspend and have debt, credit card debt,
college debt, whatever debt you get into. And you know,
but I survived. I mean when I then I started
my own painting company, painted houses. Then my buddy Andy

(24:07):
fee and taught me to hang wallpaper, and I hung wallpaper,
made a lot of money doing that, And I went
back to remodeling houses because I really liked that, and
I learned a lot of finish work. At one point
I learned not a late tile. And the point of
the story is, you know, I didn't have anything guaranteed.
Neither did any of you. Most of you didn't come

(24:27):
from money. Most people I know did not come from money.
With a silver spoon in your mouth, not that it
makes you know money to me, I always used the
phrase with my staff when I give them a nice
bonus every year. Money is freedom. Save your money. And
at that time of my life, I bought a two
hundred dollars former Providence Gas company van. It would once

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been run on natural gas, converted over back to gasoline.
Is the best two hundred bucks I ever spent that thing. Never.
All I did was tune it up and changed the
brakes once in a while, put on new tires. That
was it. Kept that thing forever. I bought a Ford
Maverick nineteen seventy one at at a three speed on
the column. I switched it with a friend of mine

(25:09):
and at a three speed we put it, you know
as a shift down below regular shift. And I take
cars and I paint them in the barn that I
rented with some buddies and we do the body work,
and I'm and hailed. Once this paint called Imron, My
lungs burned out for three months because I didn't have
the proper respiration. That was stupid, you know, but you

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look at them when you ask, for example, well what
else does it and how are we gonna have this
green deal? Well, she writes, we aren't sure we're gonna
fully be able to get rid of farting cows because
they emit CO two gases and airplanes that fast. But
they want to get rid of airplanes and you have

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to do. They want to get rid of nuclear power,
and they want to guarantee all of this. Just trust us.
And they even admit if every billionaire and company came
together and we're willing to pour all the resources they
have at their disposal into this investment, the aggregate value
of the investments they could make would not be sufficient. Well,

(26:16):
then how are you gonna pay for it? Well, don't worry,
We're not. That's not a part of the equation. You know,
we didn't worry about paying for World War two? Was
the answer. At the end of the day. This is
an investment in our economy. It's not about how we'll
pay for it. What do you mean it's not about it?
How is every American going to pay to rebuild their house?

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And every business person? What they play on? Your fear?
What if I get old? What's gonna happen. I don't
have enough money saved. Um, how am I going to
pay for this? How am I going to pay for that?
Now we have social Security, we have a safety net.
It's not the best in the world, but I'm just

(26:57):
telling you what will happen. The net result is just
like we're witnessing, states now lose massive parts of their population.
New York a great example, tens and tens of thousands
every year. Same New Jersey. Same same with Illinois, same
with California. Why because people have had it high taxes,

(27:21):
burdensome regulation, they can't afford to do business there. Wi
are states that have no state income taxes, like Florida
and Texas doing so well because they're smart enough to
elect people that don't allow as state income tax. You
nearly blew it in Florida the last time, thank god
De Santis one Andrew gillim would have raised your taxes dramatically.

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And the good part is four hundred thousand people additional
people that now are paying taxes on other things. In Florida,
they have, you know, property taxes still at a much
lower rate than New York, you know, And this is
this is the lie of socialism. There's just they will
take away your fear, eliminate nuclear energy. Eventually they're gonna

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ban cars in the combustion engine. They're gonna rebuild every
home in America, every building in America, eliminate air travel.
But you've got a government guaranteed job, free education, even college.
You know, a healthy diet, a house. You got free housing,
free money. Whether you're willing or unwilling to work, it
doesn't matter. But at the end of the day, why

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it fails is simple. Every single human being was born
with a purpose and a cause for their creation, and
every person has talents. That's why education means to bring
forth from within from the Latin and what that means
is is that for you to have a full life,

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striving and digging deep, finding whatever your skill are, why
you were built, why you were on this earth. Why
the Bible will say God knew you before you were
even conceived, and the hairs of your head were counted
at that point. If you do your part and find

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those talents you have and everyone listening to me has them,
and you bring those talents to fruition, and you figure
out a way to serve others by providing goods and
services that people want, need and desire. You're going to
increase the standard of living in the world, and you
are gonna make money for you and your family. It's

(29:37):
a win win. It is the perfect, most just system
that has created. Even the poorest Americans have TVs and
stereos and iPhones and refrigerators and freezers, washers and dryers.
Not everyone in other poor countries says anything like that.
You've got to live and you've got to find you

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know what you love, what your passion is, and what
you're good at and why, and when you do it
won't be worked to you. Just be willing to serve
other people, producing goods and services that people want, need
and desire. That has why this is why we're the
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It's not an accident. Conservatism works alright, hour two on
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part of the program. All right, our Hannity watch on

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the deep state. There has been massive, massive developments on
all fronts. Number one, Senator Richard to quote him, we
don't have anything that would suggest there was collusion by
the Trump campaign and Russia, after too exhaustive investigations that

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in which that committee interviewed hundreds of witnesses in multiple countries,
hundreds of thousands of pages. Well, what is Richard Burr saying.
He's saying that there was no collusion. And by the way,
you know, we've been telling you that for a long time.
And what's interesting in the findings of the Senate Intel

(32:34):
Committee and Senator Burr, it's probably more reliable in terms
of anything that Robert Mueller would come up with, because
the Intel Committee has access to the highly classified intelligence
from the agencies that Mueller doesn't have access too. And
Burr also revealed that Christopher Steele refused to be interviewed

(32:56):
because Steele fabricated the docier. How do we know, because
when he was in an interrogatory in Great Britain under
oath facing perjury charges, he said, no, I never corroborated
its raw intelligence. Maybe fifty fifty, So nobody has ever
heard from those sources anywhere. And remember Chuck Grassley suggested Steele,

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you know, pretty much made it up at a whole cloth,
and it's a disinformation campaign because he hated Donald Trump.
Now add that to what we already know. We know
Fox News confirmed, and Greg Jarrett had confirmed, and Catherine
Harritge had confirmed. The new details between the contact between
the DOJ, the fourth highest official at the time twice

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since demoted, Bruce Orr, and the special counsel lead counsel
prosecutor that's Bob Muller's pit bull, Andrew Weissman. And we've
confirmed that in recent congressional testimony. Or testified that he
met with Weissman in August twenty sixteen and he shared
information from Christopher Steele and specific information related to the

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Russian government's attempt to interfere in the presidential election. But
remember Or also told all the top DOJ and FBI
officials involved in this this coup, if you will, that
in fact, it was unverified, not corroborated, paid for by Hillary,
and that Christopher Steele hated Donald Trump. So you know,

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I think the Criminal Division officials also wanted to make
sure that the criminal national security parts of the FBI
were talking or communicating. Now, in spite of all of that, well,
then they end up putting forward this stasier, using that information,
not listening to Bruce Or's admonition, never confirming or corroborating

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or verifying, and they used it as the bulk of
information a spy on the Trump campaign through an associate
by the name of Carter Page. Now we also learned
from the great reporting of John Solomon that Robert Muller,
when he was the FBI director now the head of
the Special Council, that he was actually once hauled before

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the nation's secret intelligence court, the FISA Court, and he
was asked to address a large number of instances in
which the FBI withheld exculpatory evidence, in other words, cheated
or held back sensitive surveillance warrants or applying for them
with information that was not complete that they knew that

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was not complete. Some seventy five instances were told. This
happened most of the sixteen years, this closed or encounter
escaped public notice because of the secrecy of the FISA Court.
Now we have a new development, and that is shifty
Schiff Oh Now we find out that he's been meeting
with Glenn Simpson, a Fusion GPS and Beautiful Aspen, which

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raises the question about his conflict of interest in all
of this. And while Simpson and Schiff, I know in
the case a Shift in particular, he's a known liar,
you know, so we didn't talk about anything of substance.
It was at the time when Glenn Simpson would be
testifying before the House Intel Committee, which is Shift's committee.
And now we see that Adam Schiff is trying to

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get some of those resistant holdovers from the Obama administration
that stayed in the Trump White House to go work
for him. Why because they've been inside as his personal
spies the whole time. All Right, Here to talk about
all of this, we have David Shone, who is a
civil liberties attorney, criminal defense attorney, Sidney Powell, author of
the best selling book License to Lie, and also herself

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former prosecutor, and somebody who's been very outspoken about the
corruption in the Department of Justice, senior policy adviser for America. First, Sidney,
let me start with you. I mean the revelation that
Robert Muller during his tenure as an FBI director was
hauled before the court, and all these issues of withholding
exculpatory evidence, well, you described in your book License to Lie.

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That that explains maybe why he had no compunctions about
hiring Andrew Weisman as a pit bull, because he went
through the same experience. Oh, he knows exactly who and
what mister Weisman is, Sean. He's been protecting and promoting
mister Weisman for at least two decades. He had a
role in picking him for the Enron Task Force to
begin with, and then brought him back into the FBI

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to be his general counsel and deputy director, even after
we filed a grievance against mister Weisman that laid out
all his efforts to hide evidence that showed the defendants
in the Meryl case for innocent, after he destroyed Arthur
Anderson by making up a crime, after he made up
a crime against four Meryl executives and sent them to
prison for a year while he hit the evidence that

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showed they were innocent. I mean, Muller knows exactly who
and what mister Weisman is. And as soon as I
heard that Paul Manafort's home had been rated in the
middle of the night and his wife searched as she
laid in the bed. I knew that was Weisman's prosecutorial terrorists.
That's his standard operating procedure. Why why would you to
dehumanize and objectify and terrorize a defendant is what he's

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going to do. Why why is that they're chosen tactic?
He's not El Choppa, He's not a mafia member, He's
not a killer. Um. I mean, as a part of
regular order, tell me if I'm wrong. Isn't usually the
case and a relatively you know, a non violent crime
such as Roger Stone is being charged with. I mean,

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you have amphibious vehicles in the backyard and his water
You've got you know, you've got these guys from in
the canal, Yeah, frogmen in the canal. You know, you've
got armored vehicles out front, twenty seven guys pre dawn
raid fully you know, swat clothing to the max. I mean,
what were they thinking here that Roger Stone and his

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suit was going to come out and start blasting. No,
it's all for show and intimidation and to send a
message writ large to anyone who dares stand up and
and challenge them. It's just a prosecutorial terrorist tactic. David,
what's your take on It's the dangerous thing to do too,
because it puts the agents there in danger. They're more
in danger of getting shot by one of themselves than

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anything else. Not critical. The agents, they don't have the
option of saying no. I mean, they're given an order.
They have to do their job or else they're gonna
lose their job. So I can't blame them. But this
order had to come from somebody. And I assume if
it's you believe it's Weissman, because those are past tactics.
Doesn't that also mean that Muller signed off on it. Oh? Yeah,

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Muller signed off on it, and I would guess that
Christopher Ray signed off on it. Had grief, David Shone,
You've been a criminal defense attorney and a civil liberties
attorney for many years. What do you think of these tactics? Yeah,
it's a typical Weisman, no question about it. And every
one of these cases the lawyer would make an arrangement
to self surrender a defendant like this. Look the proof
of it is Afterwards, the judge gave a two hundred

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fifty thousand dollars personal signature bond. There's no danger here.
Let me get back to your larger point about Weissman,
though you made talked about a lot of evidence have
about Weissman, bruce Or and all of that. In my view,
at this point, if there's a defendant who's willing to
stand up to Muller and actually fight the charges, he
or she immediately should move to disqualify Weisman from any prosecution.

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But beyond that, moved to a dismiss the indictment. The
fact that Weisman even confirred or sits on this investigative
team to require the indictment to be dismissed. I'll tell
you why. Under six hundred point one of the Special
Council Regulations regulations developed under the Clinton administration supported by
Eric Holder and Janet Reno. Under six hundred point one,

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the decision was made to appoint a special counsel because
the Department of Justice had a conflict of interest. You
now have shown that almost a year before Mueller was appointed,
Bruce Or in the Department of Justice was meeting with
Andrew Weissman in the Department of Justice to go over
this stuff. Andrew Weisman, who at the time and remained
a financial and otherwise supporter of Hillary Clinton politically motivated,

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so that conflict was there, and that's why a special counsel,
supposedly why a special counsel was appointed. So there he
ought to be disqualified from anything to do with it,
and of course in the Stone case, Jeanie Ree has
to be disqualified. It's outrageous that the person who defended
Hillary Clinton is now prosecuting a case in which Hillary

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Clinton's emails are an issue. No one could have had
any confidence. But the look, there have been attempts by
some to question the authority of the appointment of the
special counsel, and none of those legal avenues have worked.
That once a different constitutions, they took a different constitutional approach,
which also has some validity the appointment's clause argument. This

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is a little different case here. This is a clear
conflict of interest because you've exposed this or Weissman connection.
Weissman's an integral part of the team. Some have even
reported that he's actually running it now instead of Muller.
I think it's worse than that, Sean. I think it's
it's there should be a motion to dismiss all the
indictments in each case because of egregious government misconduct from

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the kids go. I mean, yeah, we know now from
Comey's own admissions that there was no crime when they
opened the files on the four individuals to begin with Manafort, Flynn, Papadopoulos,
and whoever the fourth one was. And yeah, yeah, and
there was nothing, no crime when they handed it off

(42:27):
to Bob Muller. That's counter to the regulations. On top
of that, you have the bogus FISA warrant applications. All
of those should have been thrown out and everything related
to them. And Weisman, this is so important. Weisman was
not in the hierarchy that was supposed to get the
information from Bruce or So there is a whole cabal
there that is doing this all under the radar and

(42:50):
counter to Department of Justice policy to begin with. But
he also have to realize here, I think which is
very crucial, is that everybody knew that Hillary paid for
the dossier. They knew that that this was a foreign
agent that hated Donald Trump. Uh, we're not even talking
about the campaign finance violations when the money was funneled

(43:13):
through a law firm to an op research group. But
they knew all it was unverified. Now, Comey's timeline is
interesting in particular on this because Comy signed off on
the first FISA application that was in October twenty sixteen
President elect Trump and Trump Tower was told by Comy
it's salacious but unverified. Well, if it was unverified, how

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did he sign off on it to get a FISA
warrant just a few months earlier? Exactly? That was a
false statement to a cord for which mister Comy should
be held accountable. And of course nothing's been done to
him because we have a two tiered system of justice,
which means we have no justice at all. But Weissman
had to be part of the cabal, the small group
that was that was conducting this coup. Here's here's the

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bottom line. You've got a crew there to accomplish now
through Muller, what they couldn't accomplish it the ballot box.
There's the question of destroying Trump and everyone around him
for the next election or for whatever purposes. This is
exactly what the Supreme Court has said, we can't ever have,
we can't ever have a private agenda exercising itself through
the criminal process. That's the case of nineteen eighty seven

(44:19):
called Young versus United States x ray L Vatan, in
which they tried to use people who represented a civil
party as prosecutors. We have a constitutional right to an
impartial prosecutor embedded in the Constitution Court State in Burger
in nineteen thirty five. It's a fundamental principle. That's why
you can't have people like this operating their own agenda

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undermining the true criminal process. All right, we got to
take a break here. We'll come back more with David
Show and Sidney Powell. Hannity Watch on the Deep State continues.
When we get back, We're going to open up phones.
Take a lot of calls today on this Friday, eight
hundred nine for one Shawn Tolfree telephone number. I have
a very shocking story in our news roundup segment today

(45:02):
as it relates to you know this now I guess obsession.
We now have eight states in the process of trying
to follow New York and Virginia, and of course the
Senate voting this week not to protect children that are
a lot born alive and even during botched abortions, they
they wouldn't protect their right to get medical care. Way

(45:25):
do you hear their story coming up. All right, as
we continue with David Shown and Sydney Powell at the
bottom of the hour. I mean the theatrics when they
were interviewing at the one of the House committees today,
the Attorney General Whittaker Man just it became a circus.
We'll get to that at the bottom of the hour, David,
real quickly. These people are going to be held accountable.

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I don't think so. I mean, I hope they will be.
We'll see what it's up to, mister Barr. That's the
bottom line at this point. Just a bar has the
authority and the obligation to hold them accountable. What do
you think, Sydney, He certainly has the obligation and if
he doesn't exercise it, death for the rule of law
in this country. And they're going to be an awful
lot of Americans very upset. I don't see how he
can hold himself out to be Attorney General if he doesn't,

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Do you have any hope in Hohober or the Inspector
General Horowitz, David will they say Hoober is really completely
ineffective so far, at least the Inspector General is given
full rain. Would be disgusted by what he's seem We've
seen some of that already, but we need something with
even more teeth than that. Well, I mean, the Inspector
General doesn't have any authority, and I think he's somewhat compromised.

(46:31):
I mean, I think he just doesn't see it or
get at all. His last report was way too watered
down in the conclusions. There was some good meat in it,
but he was not as full throated by any means
as he should have been. And I don't expect anything
more this time around either. Right, Thank you votes for
being with us eight hundred nine pot one Sean Tolfrey
telephone number. When we come back, we're going to get

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to the absolute circus at the hearings for the Acting
ag Whittaker that went on earlier today, and much more
and a story you don't want to miss in our
news Roundup hour at the top of the hour. Straight
ahead rereading Greg Jarrett's book on the COMBI investigation into
the Clinton emails and the Uranium one deal and the
Muller investigation into the Trump campaign, and in it to

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mister Jarrett meticulously documents case after case a political bias
by the FBI of illegal conduct at the highest levels
of the Department of Justice, destruction of evidence, possible obstruction
of justice by mister Coomi himself, perjury by top DOJ officials, prosecuted,

(47:36):
prosecutorial misconduct, and political bias throughout Muller's team. Now, if
the RUSS investigation was initiated because of a patently false dossier,
why aren't we seeing an equally aggressive investigation into these
very meticulously documented charges, Congress As you mentioned at the beginning,

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we do conduct our investigations into pendant of political interference
at the Department of Justice. That that's not what let
me finish. Let me finish. Wonderance of evidence is telling
me from sources such as this one well, and specifically
related to the document you just described that it's the

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subject of an Inspector General's review investigation together with the
US Attorney from the District of Utah that was appointed
by General Sessions to look into and review certain matters
that this committee had asked the review. Can we expect
a full, complete and aggressive investigation of charges of wrongdoing

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by officials in the FBI and the Department of Justice
on these matters, Congressman, I can assure you that any
allegation of misconduct by an employee the Department of Justice
will be looked into thoroughly. All right. That was the
acting Attorney General, Matthew Whittaker. Now William Barr is going
to be He's going to be likely confirmed by the

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Senate next week. I don't see any obstacles at all.
And it was a very hostile scene all day there.
And he was very clear that he had never spoken
to the President Trump as Attorney General, acting Attorney General,
any senior White House official about the Mueller investigation. He
said he doesn't believe he briefed any third party outside

(49:25):
the DOJ regarding the Mueller investigation. And you know, even
when as far as to say he never ever, ever
tried to interfere in any way with what Muller is
doing in spite of the lies that are often told
all over cable news and suggestions in the New York
Times and the Washington Post. I mean, there, our friend

(49:47):
Greg Jarrett got a plug. That was Congressman Tom McClintock
asking really pertinent questions that we've been asking because all
of this has documenting, documented evidence. This phony dossier, Clinton
pay for it, Russian lies is used to bludge in.
How many innocent people, never confirmed, never verified, used as

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a visor warrant to spy on an opposition party candidate
and campaign, and then used to bludge in a president
after the fact. By the way, David Shone stays with
us for one quick second here, I know he wanted
a comment about this. You were watching these hearings today,
what are your thoughts. I think it's an absolute not
only a circus. It's the raises a real separation of
powers issue. I want to make this point clearly. Under

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these Special Counsel regulations, under the Clinton era of Special
Council regulations, there is a considential relationship between the Attorney
General and special counsel. It's codified, is deemed the Special
Council's deemed a confidential employee. Under six hundred point three.
The Attorney General has the obligation to question any investigative
or press extorial step and to stop it in a

(50:52):
confidential manner with the Special Counsel. And finally, the special
Counsel's report must remain confidential under the regulations. Playing political
football with this demanding this one disclosed it and that
will disclose it. The Attorney General has the authority under
the regulations that the Clinton era gave them under Holder
supported it. Janet Reno, these are fundamental principles that they're

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playing political. Reno and Holder also apply the confidentiality well
when it suited them, but they emphasize the important Neo
Catioll drew them up, and they emphasize the importance of
the authority of the Attorney General and that special relationship
not one where the discussions are to be questioned and
aired openly by Congress. So that would mean the Attorney General,

(51:38):
if he follows DOJ policy, that we would never it
would never make the light of day any Muller report.
And he has the authority that they're now questioning. Whittaker
has the authorities acting, and bar will have it to
rein them in. That's what's appropriate to question things like
the draconian steps they took in the Rogers Stone raid.
That's his obligations to question these things and demand to

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stop to them when they're against the constitution and against
DJ polity. All right, David Schwen, thanks for sticking with us.
So it began, it got hostile yesterday and as they
were threatening the acting Attorney General with a subpoena. He
had already agreed to go, but then once they said
they're going to subpoena him after he agreed to go.

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Because there are certain moments executive privilege that an attorney
general cannot disclose to Congress legally, but unless the president
waives that right, that's the president's executive privilege. Matt Whittaker,
as the acting Age, does not, of his own right
have the ability to not or to assume that he

(52:44):
can waive executive privilege. So they're asking him to do
something that has never been done before. Whittaker is ignoring
them and not answering their stupid questions in the lead
up to all of this. But anyway, when pushed, the
issue that matters the most, and that is whether or
not Matt Whittaker is acting Age. Did he speak to

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Trump senior White House officials about the Mueller investigation. Here's
what he said. I'm sorry, yes or no question. Have
you communicated anything you learned in that briefing to about
the investigation to President Trump? Yes or no, mister Chairman.
As I've said earlier today in my opening remarks, I
do not intend today to talk about my private conversations

(53:27):
with the President of the United States. But to answer
your question, I have not talked to the President United
States about the Special Council's investigation. So the answers no,
thank you to any other White ass officials. Again, mister Chairman,
As I mentioned in my opening statement, I do not
intend today to talk about my private conversations with the
President nor White House officials. But I will tell you

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consistent one of our what I've already said, I have
not talked about the Special Council's investigation with senior White
House officials. All right, So then the next issue comes
up because these conspiracy minded democrats, I guess they've been
watching too much cable news on fake news CNN and MSNBC,
because you know, one of these days we're gonna go

(54:10):
back and we're going to hold them all accountable for
every single solitary instance in which they reported something that
was false, that they breathlessly, hysterically ran with things that
are not true, created false hope in the eyes of
their and the ears of their listeners and viewers about

(54:32):
things that were never ever going to happen, like, for example,
oh well, Whittaker, Now it's out of Rod Rosenstein's hand,
he must be interfering with the Muller investigation. Well, he
was asked that question. Here's Whittaker's answer. All I'm asking
you is have you been asked to approve or disapproved

(54:52):
a request or action to be taken by the Special
Council point of order was chairman, I've asked the question
when the voder was chairman was not order until the
question is and we're not operating under the five minute
rule anymore than point of the witness will answer the question.
I want to be very specific about this, mister Chairman,
because I think it's going to a lie a lot
of fears that have existed among this committee, among the

(55:16):
legislative ranch largely, and maybe among some American people. We
have followed the Special Counsel's regulations to a t. There
has been no event, no decision that has required me
to take any action, and I have not interfered in
any way with the Special Council's investigation. There you go.
Now he was asked about the issue of what took

(55:39):
place with Roger Stone. You gotta remember what a process
crime is. I mean, there are real criminals out there,
real dangerous people that if you know, if you've got
el chopo. If you've got some mob figure, hitman of
some kind, a drug dealer, you know, there's there's a

(56:00):
time and a place for amphibious vehicles in the backyard
wherever the water way was where Roger Stone lives, and
frogmen in the water just in case he runs out
the back door and goes swimming in the middle of
the arrest. But they were there, and of course armored
vehicles were there, and then you had twenty seven arms

(56:21):
swat team in full gear, you know, guns ablazing and
pre dawn raid. For a guy that comes out in
his gym shorts. They could find out very easily that
they didn't have a passport. So he's not a flight
risk in that regard. But you know what is his
big crime here? Lying the Congress. That's all it is.

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There's not one thing in the Roger Stone indictment that
talks about Russia, any influence about Russia. You know, the
only mistake, baby, that he made is he goes before
Congress and tries to testify. And if you don't testify perfectly,
they get to be the judge and jury about whether
or not it's a liar. You just didn't remember or something.
I ask all of you, you know, think back two

(57:03):
years ago, twenty sixteen, before the election. Probably a lot
of you would remember where you wore an election night.
I know where I was in front of four TVs,
fifteen computers alone, acting like a maniac. So that's where
I was. But if you ask me where I was
the day before, no idea. If you asked me about

(57:24):
an email in twenty sixteen, I'm gonna look at you like,
are you crazy? How I don't remember an email I
sent yesterday or a text message I sent yesterday. But
Roger Stone didn't delete any of that information, didn't acid
wash his hard drives, apparently didn't get rid of his
phones because they were able to retrieve the text messages
and emails. And he as I understand it, handed all

(57:46):
that over anyway, and there's CNN right outside the door. Anyway.
Listen to Whittaker saying he's concerned about how CNN found
out about this. Are you familiar from public reports or
otherwise that a CNN reporter was count outside of Stone's
house when the FB arrested him. This wouldn't be part
of the investigations. I am, I am aware of that,

(58:07):
and it was. It was deeply concerning to me as
the how CNN found out about that. Yeah, it should
be deeply concerning. Look, this is going to be a
moment of truth. We're gonna see if William Barr is
I know, Joe Degenivis swears by him and others swear
by him. I don't know William Barr. I just don't
have a gut sense of who he is and whether

(58:29):
or not he has the willingness to do what is
necessary here. All right now is welcome back. As we
continue now we're discussing this Whittaker testimony from earlier today
in a double standard in our justice system. If we
do if we follow the law, if we have equal
justice under the law, if we believe in the rule

(58:49):
of law and the Constitution, which is the foundation of
our rule of law, then certain things are going to happen.
And it's gonna begin with Hillary Clinton, because that's where
it all gets started. And it's going to deal with
whether or not she really violated the Espionage Act and
whether or not Hillary Clinton willfully purposely put classified top

(59:12):
secret special access programming information on a separate server which
she knew was not She was not able to do.
It's a crime. It's a felony. It's the Espionage Act.
And the reason is because if you look at what
happened next the investigation into the handling of this classified,
top secret information that even James Comey acknowledges is true

(59:35):
in that infamous July fifth, twenty sixteen press conference where
he just decided he would take on his own the
authority of the Attorney General at the time, who was
also compromised Lauretta Lynch because she had met on the
tarmac in Phoenix with Bill Clinton. And just before that,
you know, James Comey is testified under oath that well,
I've never written an exoneration before, I've done an investigation

(59:59):
when we have evidence that shows that's not true either.
And I thought lyon to Congress was such a big
crime because that's what got Michael Kone charged at least
one of his charges, one of Roger Stone's charges, and
other people are being charged. We know a whole bunch
of people that have lied to Congress. You know, that's
the question here. I guess we only go after people
we don't like or anybody associated with Trump. Everyone else

(01:00:21):
gets a free pass. But they were writing the exoneration
long before the investigation and even interviewing Hillary and seventeen
other people. And when they finally interviewed Hillary Clinton, it
was July second, twenty sixteen, and the exoneration was all
set to go. In the fourteen minute speech of Jim Comey,

(01:00:41):
you know, sounding like she broke every law in the book,
but never mind, no serious prosecute or whatever, prosecute this
which is not true. That's where you're gonna start. Then
you're gonna go. If you care about Russian collusion, then
we can also look into the issues of Russia. All right,
we'll look into uranium. One. William Campbell was Mueller's spot
inside a Putin's ring to get a foothold in America's

(01:01:04):
uranium market, and we held they knew. I don't know
if he directly knew, but the FBI was told from
one of their own that bribery, extortion, kickbacks, and money
loandering was going on, and they still ended up Hillary
one of the people the Scipius pord signing off on
you know, twenty percent of America's uranium being going pretty
much directly to Vladimir Putin or the phony dossier that

(01:01:27):
Hillary paid for with Russian lies that were fed to
the American people and then used for a FISA warrant
to spy on the Trump campaign. You know, we're all
the instances of investigations into this and committing a knowing
fraud by so many of these people before a FISA court.
They have one thing in common. They all hate Donald Trump,

(01:01:49):
Page Struck, McCabe, Comey, and the rest of them. There's justice.
We're going to have a constitutional republic. Better get to
the bottom of it. Coming up next, our final News
round up and Information Overload Hour. All right, News round Up,
Information Overload Hour. You know, the President tweeting out, all right,

(01:02:10):
the Democratic Party, the Radical Party, look at a Cassio Cortez,
no airplanes. We're gonna rebuild every house in America, retro
fit it. Guaranteed job, guaranteed wage, guaranteed family medical leave,
guaranteed vacations, guaranteed retirement, guaranteed college, guaranteed healthy food. H

(01:02:32):
if you have McDonald's stock, i'd worry. Guaranteed. I'm just
kidding on that part. Guaranteed economic security for anybody that's
unable to work, also for anyone unwilling to work. Guaranteed housing, healthcare,
guaranteed everything, don't worry about paying for it all. What

(01:02:53):
are we What are we up to now, Linda? I
think it's like seventy House members and like ten senators
that have a day are signing onto this insanity, Which
is exactly why I've been warning you this new This
is not the old Democratic Party. This is a new
extreme radical socialist Democratic Party. Now. For example, we saw

(01:03:16):
and the President tweeted out that this is a party
of late term abortion. This is a party of higher taxes.
Oh that's right, seventy to ninety percent, depending on which plan.
And then Elizabeth Warren wanting to put a wealth tax
on money you've already paid taxes on, or Medicare for all,
which is thirty three trillion dollars, but you can't have

(01:03:36):
your own medical care. I mean, these are the proposals,
and it's only gonna get nuttier and more serious over
time because you'll lose the election. That is what the
country becomes. Nothing more sickening than hearing the New York
legislature vote which allows abortion up until the time of birth,
even until the ninth month. This is how they reacted

(01:03:59):
in New York take a listen. Didn't have been happier
Andrew Como, the governor dressing for the occasion in pink.
How nice of him. And then it gets worse because
it then moves to the Commonwealth of Virginia and we
played you the testimony of the sponsor of the bill,

(01:04:21):
this woman who at the same time was sponsoring a
bill to protect the caterpillars that become butterflies. You can't
you can't kill them. And when she's testifying, she said, oh, yeah, no,
a woman even dilating can have an abortion. She would
be her choice to have an abortion. And then the
Governor Northam is asked about this and he gives this

(01:04:43):
gruesome description of what would actually happen and what the
law would actually allow. Um And I've got to warn
you that this next half hour is going to be
tough to listen to. So if you have kids in
the car, you may want to be careful. But you know,
here's here's the governor of Virginia, still not resigning over

(01:05:03):
the blackface or this issue. Nobody calling for his resignation
over what we heard him say here it is if
a mother is in labor, I can tell you exactly
what would happen. The infant would be delivered, the infant
would be kept comfortable, the infant would be resuscitated if
if that's what the mother and the family desired, and
then a discussion would ensue between the physicians and the mother.

(01:05:27):
Oh and by the way, he's a pediatric surgeon. Those
pictures of the person in blackface on his page and
in a ku Klux Klan outfit, that's you know, he's
a medical student. He's a pediatric doctor apparently. So let
me understand this. So you know, will deliver the baby,
will make sure the baby's comfortable, and after the baby's comfortable,

(01:05:51):
then the mother's going to decide whether, if the baby's
in need of medical attention, whether or not to help
resuscitate the baby. Okay, there is a human, living soul
that is apparently being kept comfortable, living on its own,
a human being. And then well we'll let the mother

(01:06:11):
decide does you want to keep it or not keep it?
Then we'll have a discussion with the doctors and the mom.
I don't know, maybe we'll go down to the Maybe
we'll go down to the kitchen or the commissary in
the hospital and see what that's like I mean, it
is beyond gruesome. Now it's expanded. Let's see to Rhode
Island in New Mexico and California. And oh now Massachusetts

(01:06:32):
has gotten on board. They want a similar bill. It
was a motion in the Senate to protect babies born
alive from an abortion. Democrats wouldn't even let it come
up for a vote. That would have offered protections for babies.
It'll even botched abortions that lived. You don't think it happens,
It did, it does. Now joining us is Melissa Odin.

(01:06:55):
She is an abortion attempt survivor and by the way,
gone on to live a great life. As I understand it,
as two daughters of her own. She didn't miscarry one son.
She speaks out loudly for the voiceless, and we also
have with us. Doctor Levattino. Doctor Leverertino started doing abortions

(01:07:17):
in nineteen seventy seven in New York State during his residency,
graduated in nineteen eighty, went into private practice, first in Florida,
then in New York. In five years, doctor Levattino he
performed over twelve hundred abortions, including one hundred second trimester
saline abortions and then later D and E abortions up
to twenty four weeks, and they both joined us. Now,

(01:07:40):
thank you for being with us. Thank you, you're welcome.
Melissa Odin, So your mom tried to abort you, but
you're alive. What happened, Well, I was the type of
procedure doctor Leffattino did. I am a say, lean abortion survivor,

(01:08:01):
and it was also in nineteen seventy seven, So you know,
what I know is that my birth mother was nineteen
years old, she was a college student, and she was
actually forced into this abortion by her mother, my maternal grandmother,
who was a nurse at the hospital where it was performed.
So this type of procedure was meant to poison and

(01:08:24):
scald me to death. And my medical records actually indicate
that I soaked in this toxic selt solution for a
five day period while they attempted to induce my birth
mother's labor, and finally that fifth day they succeeded. I
was expelled from the womb in the final step of
that abortion procedure, and of course they thought I would

(01:08:45):
be delivered as a successful abortion otherwise known as a
deceased child but lo and behold, I was born alive.
It's unbelievable. Now, did you ever confront your mother about this? Yeah?
So I'm adopted and didn't know that I survived a
sailed abortion until I was fourteen? How did you find out?

(01:09:07):
Journey by complete accident? Really it was a pretty traumatic thing.
But my sister, my older sister, let me know that
there was more to the story of my life. And
I sat our mother down and never expected for her
to say, you know, you survived a failed abortions, and

(01:09:27):
you know it's devastating. I wish the other side of
this issue could understand how traumatic it is to live
this kind of life. This is not an easy truth
to live through or to live in this kind of
Do you have any residual physical or mental impact from
this another? Well, you're describing emotional, but are there any

(01:09:49):
physical issues that you've had to deal with as a
result of what you're describing is utter brutality? Right? Not
long term? So when I first survived, they thought I
had a fatal heart defect. There were arguments about whether
I would be provided medical care. I've actually been contacted
by nurses at that hospital who were there. I'm going

(01:10:10):
to meet one of them next months, probably face to
face for the first time. But I know that there
were arguments that they laid me aside, that certain people
didn't want to provide me medical care. And so when
somebody actually did your mother your real mother ever apologized. Yeah.
So I'm one of the few abortion survivors who's been
connected with my biological mother. We actually have a really

(01:10:32):
great relationship. We actually live in the same city. I
have this very face filled life that God is blessed,
so we live in very close proximity. I was just
with her the other day. She's very sad about what
was done to me, what was done to her. You know,
she said her greatest regret in life is that she

(01:10:53):
didn't run away from her own family to save me.
In other words, it was her family pressure that she
was pregnant, I assumed at a young age, and they
were pressuring, right, and not just pressured, I mean literally
her mother made that abortion take place. Wow, And that's
what we don't talk about, right that so many times past,

(01:11:13):
that's what it used to be. You know, nobody remembers
what happened to one of the Kennedy kids. Putting a
hospital and basically had a lobotomy. Um. Some horrific treatment
of children, Haraldo at Willowbrook when he discovered with some
disabled kids in the way they were treated like animals.
It was horrible. Um, doctor Levittino, let me start with you.

(01:11:38):
So you perform some twelve hundred abortions, including abortions as
late as twenty four weeks, if if, if can, we can?
Can a child now be sustained to twenty four weeks?
With all the medical advancement we've made, they can? And
this is this is what prompted Sandra Day O'Connor years

(01:12:01):
ago to say that Roe versus Wade was on a
collision course with itself because Roe the original decision in
seventy three said that a state could prohibit late term
abortions third trimester abortions, and they picked that third trimester
because that was the beginning of viability in nineteen seventy three.
Medical science has not stood still. Even the WHO at

(01:12:25):
this point recognizes that fetal viability starts probably around twenty
two weeks. Now. There are some that survived earlier, but
survival is viability is now defined fairly consistently is about
twenty two weeks of gestation. Well, let me ask you,
so you did this for a number of years, twelve

(01:12:47):
hundred abortions, one hundred second trimester saline abortions, DNE abortions
up to twenty four weeks. How do you feel about
having done that at this point? And then I'll ask
you to describe it, which is why I gave a
listener warning earlier. Obviously, I'm not happy that that's the
decision I made. I stopped doing abortions over thirty years ago.

(01:13:13):
How did you stop? What made you change your mind?
My almost six year old daughter was killed in an
auto accident. I'm so sorry. You know, when you do
a DNA abortion, a second trimester DNA abortion, you are
literally tearing a child to pieces with your own hands.

(01:13:34):
And I did over one hundred and twenty of those procedures.
I did do sailing abortions in my residency many years before,
but those became passe. We don't do those anymore. But
you know, after her death, and I never thought anything
of it. I had gotten used to it. But after
you lose a child, and I tell people, you know,

(01:13:55):
if you have a child, you may think you have
some idea of what that's like. If you haven't been
through this yourself, you have no idea what it's like.
I hope you never find out. And after Heather died,
was struck by a car and killed, several weeks later,
I showed up to do my first DNA abortion and
literally tore out an arm or a leg in the instrument,

(01:14:16):
got sick, but had to finish the abortion. I mean,
once you start an abortion, you can't stop. You have
to get two arms, two legs, and all the pieces
because if you don't, your patient's going to come back infected,
bleeding or worse. Well let me ask you. Okay, So
in an early term abortion is what you're describing, At
what point does it become you're talking about tearing out limbs,

(01:14:39):
and when you take them out with these instruments of
which you're ripping them out, I mean you see an arm,
you see hands, you see fingers, you see toes, you
see a head, you see eyes. I mean, what are
you seeing when you're doing this? You got it? You
just described it yourself. Now, the first trimester abortion, they're

(01:15:00):
typically done either by suction, DNC or now the medical abortion,
the pill are you for eighty six or mithopraxis is called.
But even when you do a suction DNC, and you
can only do that a few weeks after pregnancy, if
I'm not mistaken, right well, right now, it's approved up
to ten weeks from last menstrual period or eight weeks

(01:15:21):
from conception. But in reality, mithoprax is being or are
you forty six is actually being used, and the second
trimester as well, So it's being used even at later
stages of pregnancy at this point. But you know whether
it's a suction DNC, I mean eight weeks from last
menstrual period. From head to rump. That child is about

(01:15:42):
one inch tall at twenty weeks. Look at your hands,
from the middle of your middle finger down to your wrist.
That's the crown rump size. From the head to the rump.
You're counting legs of a baby at twenty weeks. And
as I always tell my students and others, you know
today you're an adult. Once you were a child, once
you were a baby, once you were an inch tall,

(01:16:04):
but it was always you. Now are you against all abortion?
Do you believe life begins at conception? Well? I do,
But if that's that's a much more a complicated um
discussion we can have abortion in very limited circumstances. Uh,
it's it's a long discussion. We probably don't even have
time for on the program. Um, we have plenty of time.

(01:16:27):
We have we're not in a Russia. Uh well, all right,
we'll take a break and we'll come back. Uh. Melissa
Odin is with us. She was her mother attempted an
abortion on her. She survived it. And doctor Levittino is

(01:16:48):
with us, and who himself performed twelve hundred abortions, including
some as late as twenty four weeks into pregnancy, and
uh regrets it. And with all the they talk about,
you know, up to birth abortion now in seven eight
states and the Senate not protecting children that survive abortions,

(01:17:10):
I think it's appropriate. Eight hundred nine f one seas
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(01:17:47):
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you want to be a part of the program. I've
got to warn you that this next half hour is
going to be tough to listen to. So if you
have kids in the car, you may want to be careful,
all right, with so much talk about abortion even when
the birthing process stops. I have no idea. This sort

(01:18:11):
of hit us all out of the blue, and New
York State passed that law, and then followed by the
Commonwealth of Virginia. And this is how the governor on
a radio show describe what the law would allow in
Virginia if it had gotten passed. It did get past
in New York. This is what Governor Northam said at
the time. If a mother is in labor, I can

(01:18:32):
tell you exactly what would happen. The infant would be delivered,
the infant would be kept comfortable, the infant would be
resuscitated if that's what the mother and the family desired,
and then a discussion would ensue between the physicians and
the mother. What if the mother and the father may
have a disagreement about resuscitation, We're gonna have a debate

(01:18:53):
in that moment. This is they're talking about the birth process,
abortion up to the birthing moment. Now joining us. We
have Melissa Odin. She is an abortion attempt survivor. Mom
tried to abort her and she has survived and has
now two daughters of her own. And doctor Levattino is

(01:19:14):
with us. He started doing abortions in nineteen seventy seven,
performed around twelve hundred or more, including one hundred second
trimester Salian abortions, later d and E abortions up to
twenty four weeks. But he doesn't perform them anymore, and
he's had a massive change of heart on it. This

(01:19:35):
law now is spreading. We got New Mexico and California
and Rhode Island and Massachusetts now and Vermont might be
the most gruesome Doctor Levittino year, what they're doing in Vermont. Yes,
John Bill H. Fifty seven. In Vermont, Section ninety four
and ninety four states that a public entity shall not

(01:19:57):
interfere with an individual's fundamental right to choose to obtain
an abortion. No time limits, no supervision by the state.
Nothing that's abortion right up to birth. And now you'll
love this provision. You may not have heard this one.
The next provision states, no state or local law enforcement

(01:20:17):
shall prosecute an individual for inducing, performing or attempting to
induce or perform the individual's own abortion. We won't prosecute
you even if you try to abort yourself. So basically,
you have now the right to kill yourself. Well, I'm
going to tell you something. Inducing an abortion on your

(01:20:37):
own could very well result in serious arm or death.
Apparently the state of Romance not troubled by that. Really
six stuff. Let me go back to Melissa. I want
to so you describe you found out at fourteen? How
did you find out exactly? My older sister was facing
an unplanned pregnancy, was actually considering every option, which included abortion,

(01:21:03):
and when our parents found out about that, they decided
to tell her the story of my survival. When my
parents adopted me, they knew that I had survived a
failed abortion, that the doctors initially didn't think I would
live for very long, that I would suffer from major disabilities.
So my parents knew all that, but they didn't tell
us until they told her, hoping that she would understand

(01:21:26):
just what kind of decision she was facing in her
life and what did she decide. She chose to carry him,
parented him, went on and had other children. You know,
I often tell people I know that was not easy
for her, but she knows that it was worth it,
and her kids know what an incredible sacrifice she made,

(01:21:47):
how hard she worked. In a way, your life story
saved the life of your nephew. Yeah, and ultimately he
saved my life, and you know, I hope hundreds of
millions of lives by allowing me to know the story
of my survival. He was no accident. Yeah, you know. Um,
and how old were you when you first met your

(01:22:09):
birth mother and how did that come about? Yeah? So
I started searching for her when I was about nineteen,
didn't find her until I was thirty. Um, and even
after that, there were so many secrets about my life.
So we didn't really start communicating until about six years ago. Now, well,
let me ask you this did did your adoptive parents'

(01:22:32):
mind that you were searching for your mother, your biological mother.
I think most people can understand that was difficult for them, right.
They wanted to protect me. They didn't want me to
be hurt by them, especially knowing what they had tried
to do to me. So yeah, that part was hard
for them, but they knew it was important for me
to find them and to know answers, and so they've

(01:22:53):
always been really supportive. So um, about six years ago
I started communicating with my birth mother by email, and
that's what I learned that she actually didn't know for
over thirty years that I had been delivered alive that day.
They never told her. She was told it died. It's hideous,
it's a monster, don't look at it. And I was

(01:23:15):
rushed off to the nick you after I was initially
laid aside. Those were the words that the nursing staff
have said. They laid you aside. They must have had
one of those really pretty conversations like the governor is
talking about right about what was going to happen with me?
And ultimately I now know a nurse picked me up,
rushed me off to the nick you and shouted to

(01:23:36):
this other nurse that darned doctor Kellberg messed up. Wow,
he was my abortionist who made the decision to save
your life. Somebody had to step in that nurse. That
nurse made the decision to give you that care. Absolutely,
have you ever met her? I haven't. I think I

(01:23:57):
know where she is, you know. Let me go back
on the other side to this doctor Levatino and you're
hearing this story. Look and we'll give a listener warning
again because what you're describing, if you have kids in
the car, you may not want them to hear it.
But because your story is fascinating, you had a total turnaround. Sadly,
you lost your six year old little girl and I

(01:24:19):
think you said her name was Heather in a car
accident when she was hit by a car, and that
changed your mind. And but as you did these later
abortions in particular, describe what you do. I don't think
most people understand it. Well. I'll picture that child, as
I said, as big as your hand or even bigger.

(01:24:41):
And a DNA abortion involves with a suction. The baby's
small enough to be pulled into the suction catheter twelve
weeks or less. But when they're bigger, you know, fourteen, sixteen, eighteen,
twenty twenty four, these are viable kids. At that stage,
they're not going to fit through small diameter catheters. So
you use a clamp called the sofa clamps, the one

(01:25:03):
I use. There are variations of it. And you have
to dismember this child. You have to tear off on
a living child, the arms, the legs, tear out the chest,
tear out the end abdominal contents, crushed the skull, pull
all this out of the vagina, out of the uterus
through the vagina, and as I often say, sometimes a
little face comes back and stares back at you. Can

(01:25:27):
you think back at times when when you were doing this,
before you said I can't do this anymore. Do you remember, like,
if you're, as you said, you're tearing out a leg,
you're tearing out an arm or a head, and a
face is looking at you. Did you look at it
and say, what the hell am I doing? Not until

(01:25:48):
the not until my daughter died. I remember, even having
been experienced at doing first trimester abortions and even sailing abortions,
doing a DNA abortion the first couple of times was traumatic.
It's difficult, but I was dedicated. If you talk to me,
then I told you I was pro choice. This is
a decision between a woman, her doctor, and no one,

(01:26:09):
including the baby's father, has anything to say about it.
You know, if you you know, a lot of people
identify themselves as pro life or pro choice. But when
you're when you're a gynecologist and you say that, it's
not some vague political decision. You're deciding whether you're going
to do this or not, and you can get used
to almost anything. Sean, and I did get used to
doing that sort of that. I really look, as I

(01:26:33):
tell people, you know, you and it's it's not just
to gross people out. You talk about arms and legs.
You do an abortion. You have to keep inventory. You
have to make sure you get two arms, two legs,
and all the pieces, because if you don't, your patient
is going to be in serious trouble. That's her death. Yea,
that all of a sudden, I tell people, that was
the first time I really, really really looked at that

(01:26:57):
pile of body parts, and all of a sudden, I
didn't see her wonderful right to choose, and I didn't
see what a great doctor I was helping with her problem.
All I could see with somebody's son or daughter. And
that changed it for me. You know, I've seen these
pictures that you're describing. People don't publish it very often.
You can't people want to look online. It's real. What
you're describing is graphic and real. I've seen it, and

(01:27:20):
to me, it is just gruesome. And if you have,
you know, people wouldn't do this to a little puppy
or a kitten or any animal. Yeah, um, what would
it be like? What the governor described or what Cuomo
the altar boy? That was his answer yesterday. Well, I

(01:27:42):
used to be an altar boy, and I'm like, what
does that have to do with anything? And they always
come up with great names like the Reproductive Health Act,
But what would an what would a full term baby,
a woman in labor abortion be like? Based on your experience, Well,
I never did a full term abortion, but if you

(01:28:03):
if you look at you know, And this was what
happened in Virginia where the sponsor of the bill was
asked flat out, would your bill allow an abortion just
immediately prior to birth for mental reasons? Yes, she said,
and she's absolutely right. That's what the law says. You
could literally. Remember, you're gonna understand there's a difference between
a human being and a person. Once you are born,

(01:28:25):
you are a person. You have rights under the law.
What you know the governor of Virginia maybe a fair pediatrician,
I don't know, but he's allows the attorney certainly he
has no understanding. Only a person under the law. You
have rights if you kill, if you think about it,

(01:28:45):
and then either neglects or kill a child after birth.
That's what doctor guys now is spending the rights to
his life in prison for that's called murder. You know.
When he's what I felt when he said it, I'm like,
he doesn't even know what he's describing. There's a disconnect
at a level that I can't describe, but I have
read that they puncture the skull, suction out the brains

(01:29:08):
of what is now a fully formed, viable child and
individual soul, and then do exactly what you're describing, you know,
pulling out body parts, except now they're the size of
a baby. That is exactly what could be done under
the law. Picture the head is crowning. You can see
the head through the vagina. But the baby's not born yet,

(01:29:30):
that's not a person yet, and there's nothing preventing you
from taking an instrument and puncturing that skull and then,
as you say, suction out the brain and then let
the baby die, you know, deliver because now the baby's dead.
As long as the child is dead before delivery is accomplished,
it's legal. You know, as you listen to this. By
the way, how would you describe your attitude today, doctor Levettino. Um, Okay,

(01:29:56):
do you still support abortion? Do you still support abortion
in the first trimester. I don't support abortion in the first, second,
or third trimester, except in very limited circumstances, rape incests,
things like that. For a tuable pregnancy. If a woman

(01:30:17):
comes in with a tubal ectopic pregnancy and you do
an ultrasound and there's there's a fetus and there's a heartbeat,
but it's in her tube, you to treat that, you're
just going to kill her. Okay, let me give the
last word to Melissa. Melissa, what do you say to
people as having survived? You were there was an attempt

(01:30:38):
to abort you, but you survived. You have a story
that is very rare. What do you say? We're human beings.
You know, we're not some hypothetical case. We're not some
political attack on Roe versus Wade. We're living human beings
and treat us like that. And in terms of you know,
all this discussion about infanticide, we had to fight for

(01:31:00):
our lives in the womb. I know of two hundred
and sixty five other survivors, a lot like me. This
is what I do. Sean, we sought for our lives
in the womb. Don't make us fight for them again
after we're born alive. Well, I thank you for sharing
your story. Thank God you did survive. And it's obvious

(01:31:22):
the profound impact you're having on a lot of people,
Doctor Levatino, thank you for sharing your story. And I
find it fascinating. I'm a person that believes that we
all can change, and you know, obviously you changed in
a very dramatic way in sharing your story. I think
is extremely helpful for people. And I want to thank

(01:31:44):
you both for being on with us today. All Right,
eight hundred nine f one, Sean Told free telephone number
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over twenty million listeners every day. All Right, Hannity tonight,

(01:32:07):
nine eastern on the Fox News Channel. We have a
lot of stories. We are breaking one huge story about
Faisa that goes right into Robert Muller's office. The chaos
that is Virginia. The governor, lieutenant governor with the sexual
assault charge now the attorney general next in line to

(01:32:29):
be governor if those two go. He also dressed in blackface.
That's from DC Tonight. We'll see you back in New
York tomorrow. As always, thank you for being with us.

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